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Posted on May 1, 2012
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Police officers surround a bloodied demonstrator after his arrest during an unpermitted march Tuesday in New York City.

By Bill Boyarsky

By chance, the revelation of how Apple evades millions of dollars in taxes broke three days before May Day, when workers of the world traditionally protest such injustice.

Although the Apple practices aren’t illegal, the dodging of taxes on revenue generated, to a large extent, by low-wage Chinese workers, was a perfect introduction to this year’s May 1 observance, highlighted by the Occupy movement’s call for strikes and demonstrations around the country. The goal: Protest corporate domination of an economy being pulled downward by growing income inequality and intractable unemployment.

The New York Times reported that the technology company has used loopholes to reduce its tax bills in 21 states and overseas by billions of dollars annually by creating subsidiaries in places with low-tax or no-tax policies. In January, the paper told how Apple’s Chinese workers “often labor in harsh conditions” with “onerous work environments and serious—sometimes deadly—safety problems ... excessive overtime, in some cases seven days a week, and live in crowded dorms.”

The latest Apple story broke at an opportune moment. Occupy and other campaigners for social justice are hoping this exposé of the evil side of globalization will enrage American workers and persuade them to join protests. 

Thousands of Angelenos demonstrating against income inequality and immigration policy marched Tuesday into the financial heart of Downtown Los Angeles. Last week, not far from there, I spent a day with more than 400 activists, most of them young community organizers not working with Occupy. They discussed turning protests into political action that will lead to economic reform.

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It was the “From the Ashes” conference at the University of Southern California, centered on the 1992 Los Angeles riots. What are the lessons, the participants wondered, of the riots and what does that event tell us about the future?

The activists were members of local groups without the national reputation of Occupy. Some of them, sadly, hardly get noticed by Los Angeles print and broadcast outlets, much less the national media. Among them were organizations such as the Koreatown Immigrant Workers Alliance, InnerCity Struggle, Los Angeles Alliance for a New Economy, Clergy & Laity United for Economic Justice, the National Day Laborer Organizing Network, Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles and the National Domestic Workers Alliance.

The people they represent are at the bottom of the 99 percent. They work in car washes for tips, clean houses and offices, tend children as nannies, provide home care for the sick and dying, and toil in nonunion factories.

Although Occupy was not part of the meeting, it was a presence. Harold Meyerson, now editor-at-large for The American Prospect and a Washington Post columnist and during the 1992 riots the executive editor of the LA Weekly, told a panel discussion that Occupy was “a tremendous success.” It had turned the political dialogue toward income inequality.

The differences between Occupy and the organizers at the USC conference illustrated how progressives vary on attaining their goals.

Occupy takes pride in being lightly organized—or unorganized. That’s not enough for many of those at the conference. Their groups are more structured, with staffs and specific strategies to force elected officials to pay attention to their message and compel businesses to pay a living wage and recognize unions for the working poor.

I was struck by the intensity and youth of some of the people I met and the hard road they and their constituents had traveled. “My mother came here,” said one woman, daughter of an emigrant from Mexico, “not in a train, not in a plane but in the trunk of a car.”

Another woman, Nancy Meza, was brought to the United States by her immigrant mother at the age of 2. Meza is now an intern at the UCLA Labor Center, which assists community organizers. In high school, she helped organize students and parents to demand construction of a new campus to relieve overcrowding in East Los Angeles in the heart of the Latino community. Following a traditional path for the Eastside’s upward strivers, she attended East Los Angeles College and then moved on to UCLA. Each day, she left her familiar working-class neighborhood and took the 720 bus to distant, upscale and overwhelmingly Caucasian Westwood, site of the UCLA campus.

Her interest is in communication. “Young people are creating their own organizations, their own networks,” she said. “We’re taking advantage of being young. We know social media.” She and her colleagues worry about “How are you going to communicate your message to NPR? How are you going to communicate your message to the person at the bus stop?”

These groups are much like Occupy except they are more organized and less confrontational. I was at a meeting of progressive Democrats a few weeks ago, attended mostly by older lefties. The four or five Occupy people invited there ended up arguing with an elected official on the program, treating him with disdain. Some of the older people, offended, left the room. If the Eastside’s Nancy Meza had been speaking, she would have understood the importance of diplomacy. The crowd would have embraced her.

Although their styles and techniques differ, all the young activists have the same basic goal. They carry on the legacy of the labor organizers who staged the first May Day demonstration in 1886 to demand an eight-hour workday.

Sadly, decent working conditions remain a dream for too many people laboring in circumstances comparable to those in an iPhone plant in China. There’s plenty of work ahead for everyone fighting for social justice.


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By americanme, May 4, 2012 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

Tobysgirl:

The name of the guy is Lobo—and it definitely fits:  a wolf in the clothing of a democratic sheep who was “elected” when the criminals who benefited from the coup were still in power.  (Of course most of those guys are now doing the mambo in Miami with Luis Posadas—the terrorist the US has loved to support even before he participated in the assassination of JFK in 1963.)

The US paid for and executed the coup against Zelaya and flew him out of the country in his pjs.

Human rights violations are at a record high in Honduras, along with murders of journalists and anyone on the left.  Narcotrafficking is booming—and that’s the primary reason for the coup.  Gotta keep those drugs flowing to the gringos or they might start to get restless.

The no-neck troll, heterochromatic, claims to have “secret” info about every country on the planet.  His hebrew god talks to him in the bathroom.

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By heterochromatic, May 4, 2012 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

TG- situation in Honduras not at all as you think.

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By Tobysgirl, May 4, 2012 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

surfnow, I get what you’re saying, and guess you would agree with me that the state capitalist systems of the Soviet Union, China, etc, do not reflect the ideals of socialism or communism.

I think you can say there’s a fanatical hatred of socialism when nutjobs call Obama a socialist. Of course, these same people have absolutely no idea of what socialism or communism means, but it’s interesting that these words hold a lot of power for people, including the people who immediately think being a socialist means one supported Stalinism.

And it is depressing to look at whom our country has sided with and continues to side with, from the Shah of Iran to Doc and Baby Doc Duvalier. I don’t know the name of the dictator we support in Honduras, who overthrew the democratically elected government.

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By heterochromatic, May 3, 2012 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment

you might find the same info in a variety of places, chica…....

The Rise, Corruption, and Coming Fall of the House of Saud

is one of them.

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By americanme, May 3, 2012 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

Wrong again.

Statistically speaking, and going by the stopped clock being right twice a day, ONE of these times you SHOULD be right.

But you have defied even statistical probability in your perverse dedication to doublespeak!

When wikiwackywoo is proven to be a reliable source (even YOU could write a wickywackywoo entry!) hell will have definitely frozen over.

Hopefully, with you inside.

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By americanme, May 3, 2012 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

Maybe he should have just said that YOU have a psychotic hatred of everything but US government policy.

That would have been a Bingo, except that my people don’t have a casino.

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By heterochromatic, May 3, 2012 at 4:54 pm Link to this comment

moonie—- you challenged and got shown up as a funky little fool….  whine and
twist and pule till you drop….

I rapidly tire of your pathetic act.

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By heterochromatic, May 3, 2012 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment

surf—- I deny that any country has or can have a ” psychotic hatred of the idea
of socialism.”


you use words without any precision and, it seems, but a faint grasp of their
meaning.

.....but you can within the last 100 years consider Spain, Portugal, Germany
and Greece…...for starters.


after that you might try to figure out that American opposition has been
centered on Communism ...which is not the same as Socialism…....


that tutor who is helping you muddle through high school needs to redouble
the effort…you’re floundering.


best of luck and cherish the diploma when and if.

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By OzarkMichael, May 3, 2012 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

Does anyone else get the feeling from reading the article that the Left needs something newer and fresher, and these new organizers are ‘in’ while Occupy is ‘yesterday’s news’?

Boyarsky doesnt say that, but thats the gestalt of the article

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By americanme, May 3, 2012 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

No-neck:

You can choose the wickywackywoo version of the Saudis that is not correct and ride it to Timbuktu if you want to (House of Saud is a blatant westernization—there was no House of Saud—we are talking about TRIBAL SOCIETY here—not the Rothchilds!)

If you had ever BEEN to Saudi you would know what I am talking about.  I put on the full cover and made the visit because I wanted to know how much TRIBAL SOCIETY still held sway there.  Plenty—Hummers and ruby-encrusted cellphones notwithstanding!  That was right after the first municipal elections were held in Saudi—and one of my students (male, obviously) had been a candidate. 

I very much like the Saudis—in general—especially the women, who are spunky and astute and know how to beat the system—except for the poor women.  Just as I like the Bahrainis—iin general.  But their parasitical ruling families are beyond the pale—a bunch of ignorant retrograde bullies desperately holding onto power by any means at hand—usually with a weapon in that hand manufactured in the USA.

House of Saud, pal, is a euphemism for the dictatorship of the Saud family—it was coined by the West to JUSTIFY their keeping those guys in power because they do the US government’s bidding.

Try Tent of Saud—that would be closer to the lifestyle.  And the mindset.

They are just parasites—like the Kalifas in Bahrain—squatting on the petroleum wealth.  Nobody talks about the House of Kalifa.  Yet.  I’m surprised that Hillary didn’t invent that, though, in her defense of those mossbacks.

You are sooooooooooo desperate to be right—just once.  I can feel your pain, but I don’t sympathize with you because you are a petty malicious potty-mouth stooge for imperialism.

I am not answering any more bullshit about the House of Saud, Mr. Goebbels.

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By IMax, May 3, 2012 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

grokker, - “Where you get racism and bigotry out of that comment shows how out of it you truly are….”

-

I invented it out of whole cloth.  Understand?

You’re too young and narrow of experience to understand why I strongly believe the U.S. will remain one of the world’s most influential nations over the coming 100-150 years.

Certainly there are people who see things you’ve not considered.  Next time try asking why a person believe as they do.

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By surfnow, May 3, 2012 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

And I’m still waiting for an answer to:  Name one western country in the past century that has had a more psychotic hatred of the idea of socialism than Amerika. Could it be because there hasn’t been one?

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By grokker, May 3, 2012 at 7:17 am Link to this comment

IMax—My mention of your “clairvoyance” referred to your ridiculous claim that the U.S. will be a Superpower 10 -15 decades into the future. There is absolutely no evidence that that could or would be the case. And check the definition of culture again. It has little to do with the feel good notion of us all just getting along. It has everything to do with the intellectual (waning) and artistic (waning) capacities of this country, and they will be less 20 yrs from now. Where you get racism and bigotry out of that comment shows how out of it you truly are and how defensive you have become to each and everyone of my comments. Get over yourself, you old fool!!

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By heterochromatic, May 3, 2012 at 6:54 am Link to this comment

you may suggest that I need a tutor to explain the differences between the two
types of organizations…..


such suggestion is on par with the grasp of things thus far displayed in your
previous attempts at ideation.


thanks anyway.

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By surfnow, May 3, 2012 at 6:48 am Link to this comment

heteroc…
Every fascist regime from Germany to italy to Spain to Latin American- USA backed fascist dictatorships carried out campaigns against socialists and union organizers. I think your main problem is you don’t quite understand the difference between communism and socialism. May I suggest a high school history tutor ?

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By heterochromatic, May 3, 2012 at 6:40 am Link to this comment

surfnow—- fascist states aren’t alone in their hatred of communism. anyone with
a brain and heart must despise what has passed (none too accurately) as
communist countries.

it’s not possible to include the US as a fascist country without discarded the
goddamned central tenets of fascism.and the political and legal organization of
the US.

your attempt is as flat wrong as Jonah Goldberg’s attempt to paint liberals as
fascists.

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By Synonymos, May 3, 2012 at 5:42 am Link to this comment

*Note: I posted this yesterday under tp or terry p. It has not shown up!

Also it seems the commentators are knifing each other instead of being constructive.

Hope you guys had a great May Day success with very few bruises.

My earlier post:

————————-

Bill Boyarsky met with these activist - or were they guided by the same system we are trying to change- the Imaxs of America? UCLA students might have great ideas but it seems they’re loosing sight of the movement. The first demand verbalized by OWS last year was to audit and Nationalize the Federal Reserve. Our problems are directly related to the banks that are too big to fail and our privately owned central banking system, the 12 Federal Reserve Banks.

All other social issues should be dealt with in their own good time but only after this one.

Avoiding this main issue is only pushing back the movement and feeding the monstrous greed on Wall Street that left most of us behind in a haze of debt with austerity measures that threatens the very idea of prosperity in this country.

OWS needs help. If change is going to happen to improve the lives of the 99%ers we need to be patient and hang in there. Don’t get tired of this movement. Contribute @ http://occupywallst.org/ if your looking for a place to put your money to good use. It is the first movement we’ve had in a long time that woke up the general population. Many who had given up on this country took to the streets with a little more hope than they had had for years.

I’m not putting down the students @ UCLA for their activism but they should join OWS instead of competing for accolades like we are picking winners out of a race of back stabbing politicians who have to spend all their time raising money to win an election instead of actually building a society of people for the people.

Read “The Web of Debt” by Ellen Brown. It will revive your common since about why our central banking system should be owned by us “the people” who actually pay the bills—not fat cats who manipulate Wall Street and counterfeit money using fractional reserve banking. Fractional Reserve Banking simply means that these huge banks lend out many times more money than assets they have in the bank. Some lend out more than 70 times more than what they have. They simply make a book keeping entry with a computer key stroke.

Read about it in “The Web of Debt” and support the Occupations.

tp

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By surfnow, May 3, 2012 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

heteroc….
One more thing. And most importantly. Fascist societies are always fanatically anti-communist. You name one western nation that has had a more extreme historical hatred of the word ” socialism” than the “good ol USA.”

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By surfnow, May 3, 2012 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

Heterochro….

To put it more simply, fascism is a repressive government, fanatically nationalistic and militaristic; it uses fear to control a docile population and is most closely aligned with big business interests. Now if that doesn’t characterize Amerika today, then I don’t know what does.

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By IMax, May 3, 2012 at 2:43 am Link to this comment

grokker,

Clairvoyance?  What an odd premise to throw into the subject.

Are you under the impression that you can discredit another’s opinion or point of view by simple invention?  If that be the case then let me suggest that your description of the United States as a nation with no culture appears to suggest your abhorrence of a tolerant multicultural society.  Therefor you must be a bigot and a racist.

Now, I don’t know if what I just invented is actually correct.  But my invention, my simply throwing the charge into the mix, certainly, thoroughly, discredits anything and everything you’ll ever say on this site.

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment

moonie—- would you please stop lying….the goddamn link SAYS house of saud
and the wiki article begins….


“The House of Saud has gone through three phases: the First Saudi State, the
Second Saudi State, and the modern nation of Saudi Arabia.”


puling infant is a stage you should have passed by now.

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

vec—your quite correct that we’ve been associated with them since FDR….and I’m
sure that you understand why FDR accepted the Saudi offer of association ...and
why it continues.

they indeed are vile and we have propped them up and will continue to prop them
up and it brings no credit to us

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By americanme, May 2, 2012 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

I see no mentio of House of Saud in your wickywackywoo quote.

The House of Saud actually came into being in the early 30s with Abul Aziz, and Saudi Arabia was founded on the probability of petroleum, since petroleum had started to be pumped out of the sand in next-door neighbor Bahrain.

Take your socks and use them to staunch the flow of excrement, foul no-neck.

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment

sorry, old goat. The NATION of Saudi Arabia is modern, the House of Saud is
centuries old.


.....“The First Saudi State was founded in 1744. This period was marked by
conquest of neighboring areas and by religious zeal. At its height, the First
Saudi State included most of the territory of modern-day Saudi Arabia, and
raids by Al Saud’s allies and followers reached into Yemen, Oman, Syria, and
Iraq. Islamic Scholars, particularly Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab and his
descendants, are believed to have played a significant role in Saudi rule during
this period. The Saudis and their allies referred to themselves during this period
as the Muwahhidun or Ahl al-Tawhid (“the monotheists”), so later they are
referred as the Wahhabis.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saud


go find those socks and get sucking, silly sod.

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By americanme, May 2, 2012 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

The House of Saud only formally came into existence in the 1930s!

If ole woodenteethslaveholderlandthief George Washington was around then, I’ll eat somebody’s socks.

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By vector56, May 2, 2012 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

“there’s no way that
you can pin the policies and customs of Saudi Arabia on the US.
They are as they’ve been for longer than there has been a US. The House of Saud
was pre-eminent in Arabia before George Washington was promoted from his “


heterochromatic;

Without the US Military and the billions in military hardware we supply to this Dictatorship, the House of Saud would fall within a week. It was FDR who first brought this thug under our “protection”.

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By americanme, May 2, 2012 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

grokker:  Not even that, as China may even surpass the US in science next year!

(Source:  the Royal Society, the national science academy of the UK.)

Imax is a clone of heterochromatic, and as such claims to receive informationdirectly from the hebrew god whose name of course I cannot write.

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By grokker, May 2, 2012 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

IMax—“For many varied reasons the United States will likely remain one of the world’s “Super-Powers” for, at least, the next 10-15 decades.”

Wow,IMax your powers of clairvoyance are unsurpassed!!
By “Super-Power” I would suggest the U.S. will be a techno-military monolith with no culture and only a wealthy class inside of 20 years.

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By americanme, May 2, 2012 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

But he WAS, at least, a deeper thinker than you.

And I don’t recall any evidence of his having been a potty-mouth troll.

But photos do indicate that he didn’t have much of a neck.

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By the jack, May 2, 2012 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment
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some would see the bloodied young man in the photo as a
“hero”, most will see him as a stooge for a corrupt,
meaningless “movement” that is going nowhere.  change
will not come from marching and street fighting with
the powers-that-be, but through either becoming the
“power” or overthrowing the “power” by force.  peaceful
protests won’t work in this day in age…

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

Merriam Webster——-

Definition of CORPORATISM

: the organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving
as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and
activities within their jurisdiction


——some overlap with fascism, but not the same and Benito wasn’t the world’s
deepest thinker.

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By terry p, May 2, 2012 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment
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Bill Boyarsky met with these activist - or were they guided by the same system we are trying to change- the Imaxs of America? UCLA students might have great ideas but it seems they’re loosing sight of the movement. The first demand verbalized by OWS last year was to audit and Nationalize the Federal Reserve. Our problems are directly related to the banks that are too big to fail and our privately owned central banking system, the 12 Federal Reserve Banks.

All other social issues should be dealt with in their own good time but only after this one.

Avoiding this main issue is only pushing back the movement and feeding the monstrous greed on Wall Street that left most of us behind in a haze of debt with austerity measures that threatens the very idea of prosperity in this country.

OWS needs help. If change is going to happen to improve the lives of the 99%ers we need to be patient and hang in there. Don’t get tired of this movement. Contribute @ http://occupywallst.org/ if your looking for a place to put your money to good use. It is the first movement we’ve had in a long time that woke up the general population. Many who had given up on this country took to the streets with a little more hope than they had had for years.

I’m not putting down the students @ UCLA for their activism but they should join OWS instead of competing for accolades like we are picking winners out of a race of back stabbing politicians who have to spend all their time raising money to win an election instead of actually building a society of people for the people.

Read “The Web of Debt” by Ellen Brown. It will revive your common since about why our central banking system should be owned by us “the people” who actually pay the bills—not fat cats who manipulate Wall Street and counterfeit money using fractional reserve banking. Fractional Reserve Banking simply means that these huge banks lend out many times more money than assets they have in the bank. Some lend out more than 70 times more than what they have. They simply make a book keeping entry with a computer key stroke.

Read about it in “The Web of Debt” and support the Occupations.

tp

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By diamond, May 2, 2012 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

“as political/economic organizations, it puts all organization into the control and at
the service of the nation. it’s a collectivist totalitarianism with a “first speaker” over
all.”

From the horse’s mouth:

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”.
                                                                            Benito Mussolini

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

surfnow—-as philosophy, fascism is one of the many ugly spawn of German
idealism and irrationality.

it posits some spirit to a national group and exalts the “will” of that spirit as
transcending the the worth of the individual members which thereby imbues the
group with supposedly far greater attributes and rights which reduce individual
rights to little or even nothing when the individual deviates from the “will” of the
group.


as political/economic organizations, it puts all organization into the control and at
the service of the nation. it’s a collectivist totalitarianism with a “first speaker” over
all.

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By gerard, May 2, 2012 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

prisnersdilema: It certainly seems that the older lefties don’t like the younger lefties all that much—so far as categorizing goes. But it may not be because of self-love, but rather lack of imagination enough to face the enormous socio-economic-technical changes that are taking place, accelerating to the speed of light. Most of us feel overwhelmed most of the time, I think, and are grasping at straws. Habit may also be a big factor as older lefties may be on the S-R train whereas in reality the S-R-or-R-or-R may be passing while most of us are off on a sidetrack. WallStreet/Washington, apparently, is on another planet, and big part of the problem is how the heck to reach them.
  People at the heart of the OWS movement are, I think, looking for R + R + ? ? ? and only people whose mental habits are open to accepting experiment can “swing” with what OWs is moving toward. Out of this openness, I feel, something or things new and effective (probably surprisisng, maybe even thrilling) may be born.  I often feel like a midwife must feel before the water breaks, anticipation and anxiety, joy and apprehension. I am prepared for, but not expecting a stillbirth because all the signs are that the “baby” itself is healthy (though the mother may be somewhat battered by violence, over-work and anxiety.  Here’s hoping!

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By prisnersdilema, May 2, 2012 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

I get the feeling that the older lefties, like Mr. boyarsky don’t like the occupiers that
much, because they don’t reciprocate, in the love and admiration that older lefties have
for themselves.

They don’t seem to respect the older lefty institutions, that focused on cosmetic change,
instead of actually challenging the emerging plutocracy…

Cosmetic change was used by the right, and the left, to prevent really change, that
would have made a difference. I suspect that the real thrust of this article is a fear, that
politics is changing because of OWS, and that those old lefties, have for the most part
missed the boat.

Certainly DINO’s like Mr. Obama, are responsible for this. The Democratic party could
have benefitted greatly from his win, and the chance that it brought, instead, they were a
part of the betrayal, that happened instead.

They still don’t understand this. Partly because they have played at politics too long,
they have lost the respect of many who once were Democrats.

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By surfnow, May 2, 2012 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

Really, hetero, show me just a bit of your vast knowledge- how do you define fascism?

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By gerard, May 2, 2012 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Truthdig:  Let’s not get too far out on this “organized” versus “unorganized” dichotomy and crack the limb in half.  It’s all “organizing”—getting people to work together—just differing styles.  One size does not fit all.  Let people breathe. The old categories are breaking down everywhere. The box is falling apart in order to let people “think free.”

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By gerard, May 2, 2012 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

P.S. Ask yourselves why they are “working in the shadows”.  It’s because the only thing that gets media “light” (which is actually mostly darkness even with Kleigs) according to media, is sensation. That’s what the American People wand, and that is what media is selling them, not giving information.  Big difference. 
  No organizations working for ordinary people ever gets media “light” unless they “cause trouble”. Then they are publicized in order to scare ordinary people away because the organizations are “causing trouble, violent, “communists”, “crazy” and must not be allowed to “get out of hand.”
  It’s an old tired story that OWS is trying to move beyond—to get beyond the stereotoypes. So at this point in history we have to watch what we criticize and ask ourselves why, before we land on the wrong side of the fence, face-down and we hear history laughing from the top of the distant hills.

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By balkas, May 2, 2012 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

imax,
let’s think much, much more deeper and wider [the wider, longer, deeper the THINK OR LOOK, the
wiser one is] about legalization of private property.
until a point of time, we had, thank our goddevil, no laws of whatever kind.
we picked berries, mushrooms; harvested greens; hunted for snakes, frogs, snails, game in areas that
were not owned; ie, the properties like forests [in, on, or under which we slept-sought shelter],
waterways, fields, dwellings, foods, healthcare, education, work, etc., was not privatized by law.
having a pair of pants and the right to put them on; right to healthcare, eat, work, roof over one’s head,
kill the first person who proposed any legislation or first ever godologist, etc., do not need legislation-
-all this needs just common sense.
yes, we had it until first godologist, senator, ‘noble’ showed up and then there was none. instead of
common sense we got ‘laws’ [really diktats, despotism, lunacy] gazillions of them; in gazillions of
pages; which absolutely no one can understand.
CH calls it “asylum”.

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By gerard, May 2, 2012 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

Bill Boyarsky:  Suggestion for a much-needed series of short summaries containing the bare facts reviewing the history, goalsn problems and accomplishments of mainline older organizations working in Los Angeles for the last 50 years. Because media gave them short shrift and they didn’t spend money on publicity, people like those carping today know nothing about them. A few I remembmer:
  Clergy and Laity Concerned
  Answer Coalition
  Women’s Strike for Peace
  Sane Nuclear Policy Committee
  Freeze Nuclear Testing and Weapons Movement
  Catholic Worker
  Coalition for Peace and Justice
  Farm Workers Union == Chavez
  American Friends Service Committee - Southwest
  American Civil Liberties Union - So.Cal.
  National Lawyers Guild - So. Cal.
  Labor Unions
  Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom
  League of Women Voters
  (mentioning, of course, the reactionary forces
    working against them with money and power—
    Hearst, LA Times, Annenberg, police, governors,
    etc, etc, “religious tabernacles” et al.
    WELL, MAYBE TWO ARTICLES??? OR THREE.

redteddy: Many of them still have “donate buttons.” All you have to do is Google them. Or pick up the phone.

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By David J. Cyr, May 2, 2012 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Bill Boyarsky:

“I was at a meeting of progressive Democrats a few weeks ago, attended mostly by older lefties. The four or five Occupy people invited there ended up arguing with an elected official on the program, treating him with disdain. Some of the older people, offended, left the room. If the Eastside’s Nancy Meza had been speaking, she would have understood the importance of diplomacy. The crowd would have embraced her.”
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Oh yes…the “progressive” operatives, (D) dedicated to getting every evil done better than Republicans can, are always eager to embrace those who will obediently diplomatically decide to surrender and support the corporate party’s deeply depraved devious fucking Democrats, instead of justly giving Democrats the savaging they deserve.

The necessary lesson from the living history of our times, to be learned by any movement rising up from the Left, is that Democrats are not any part of The Solution — Democrats are the greater part of The Problem.

For the young to have a future worth having they’ll need to be both able and willing to disembowel Democrats, and hang them by their entrails.

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

IMax—i think not. I think that its simply incorrect, even in brief,  to point to China
as a capitalist success story. China is not that.

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By IMax, May 2, 2012 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

Hetero,

Opps.  I meant to write that I had not -attempted- to portray…

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By IMax, May 2, 2012 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

Hetero,

I had not attempting to portray the entire Chinese history in a single paragraph.  Once again you missed the point.

Needlessly argumentative.

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By IMax, May 2, 2012 at 7:43 am Link to this comment

grokker, - “Socio/Economically, we (the U.S.) are becoming no different than the countries you described…”

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I disagree.  For many varied reasons the United States will likely remain one of the world’s “Super-Powers” for, at least, the next 10-15 decades.

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

vec- America is not at all like it was and fewer people starve now in America than
did during those 30,000 years you’re talking about.


IMax seems to forget that China had to first abolish private property to lift its
people out of starvation but you’re talking worse nonsense and there’s no way that
you can pin the policies and customs of Saudi Arabia on the US.
They are as they’ve been for longer than there has been a US. The House of Saud
was pre-eminent in Arabia before George Washington was promoted from his
Colonelcy.

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By heterochromatic, May 2, 2012 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

surfnow—- fascism is alive and occupying your brain.


stop using the word until you learn its meaning.

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By grokker, May 2, 2012 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

IMax - This is no longer the America you envision. Socio/Economically, we are becoming no different than the countries you described and we are going in the complete opposite direction towards more poverty and homelessness right here in the good old U.S. So, your sacred cow, private property, also works in the opposite manner, depending on which end of the historical timeline you’re on. Oh, and you forgot an extra “9” in the ten thousands column of your other sacred cow, the “majority” number.

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By vector56, May 2, 2012 at 6:11 am Link to this comment

“The right to private property is also how India and China has dramatically lifted tens of millions of people out of starvation and homelessness. “


IMax; China and India? You compare the to Cuba and Venezuela, while lumping North Korea and the American backed Saudi Arabia??? Even for you this is “nonsense”!

The right to private property is Europe created “Serfdom”; it tied the peasants to the land owned by the overlords.

Blacks were “private property in America for 200 years.

The Natives of this land lived free and ate regularly for about 30,ooo years and did not “own” the land ; as a matter of fact they found the concept repugnant.

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By IMax, May 2, 2012 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

balkas,

We’re not living in Venezuela, Cuba, N. Korea or Saudi Arabia.  In the United States everyone has a legal right to private property.  99.999% of Americans agree with this fundamental right.

The right to private property is also how India and China has dramatically lifted tens of millions of people out of starvation and homelessness.

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By balkas, May 2, 2012 at 5:36 am Link to this comment

it is time to occupy u.s ideology, laws, politics. amerika [and not only it] is run on
solely that.
even to run a car hinges on politics. yes, u need gas, too, but that too is political.
beating ur wife, bullying, razing, warring, worrying, fearing, drugging self,
using/wasting too much etc., that too is politics.

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By OzarkMichael, May 2, 2012 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

One good hard working Oralizer is worth 20 lazy Occupiers.

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By balkas, May 2, 2012 at 5:20 am Link to this comment

so, are these people only concerned about money? are they avoiding politics? do they
realize that politics is part of life and not an activity that is reserved for just people with
money?
OWS too rejects politics. do they think that protesting only will work?
politics in u.s says, What is yours is yours and no one has the right to it!
and 98% americans agree with that.
and who decides what is yours? in the main, it is u.s politics [includes bill of rights,
constitution, declaration of independence, all u.s laws] which solely decides that and
never anyone or any group from any street.
yes, folks, all u.s laws are political. so is the ideology on which u.s runs.
politics are part of daily life. that’s a fact!
so stop believing ‘politicians’ that it is not part of life!
it is enourmously valuable activity and they don’t want u to be in that game! and no
wonder why!!!

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By surfnow, May 2, 2012 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

Fascism is alive and well in Big Apple Amerika while Obama is grinning over in Afghanistan, congraulating himself and his mercenaries about how freedom-loving we all are.

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By IMax, May 2, 2012 at 3:48 am Link to this comment

It’s now time to ‘Occupy’ your local School Board!  It’s now time to ‘Occupy’ the U.S. Congress!

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By redteddy, May 2, 2012 at 2:28 am Link to this comment

No.  I mean seriously.  HOW CAN I HELP?!!!  I am dying for something more than a slick, good time feel good campaign!  Hell yeah!

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By redteddy, May 2, 2012 at 2:24 am Link to this comment

Now THIS is welcome news!!! I’m tired of the adbusters commercially popular and
savvy OWS that promises this and that and only offers you a Nike “Just Do It” shell
of a movement. That there is something more and potentially more efficient and
serious that comes out of occupy is welcome and refreshing since its not the
coddled young but the bloody working class truly underrepresented young. The
only thing they the article didn’t articulate is where is there “donate” button!

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