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On to the Next ‘Bubble Fantasy’Posted on Dec 22, 2011
Few journalists have greater influence on U.S. foreign policy, particularly regarding the Middle East, than New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. But his tortured obit of a column this week on the official end of the neocolonialist disaster that has been the Iraq occupation reminds one that the three-time Pulitzer Prize winner often gets it wrong. Was the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, which he did so much to encourage, a “wise choice”? Friedman hides behind one of his trademark ambiguities: “My answer is twofold: ‘No’ and ‘Maybe, sort of, we’ll see.’ I say ‘no’ because whatever happens in Iraq, even if it becomes Switzerland, we overpaid for it.” Aside from the stunning amorality of assessing the cost of war from the standpoint of the royal “we,” Friedman seems wildly optimistic about what the invasion has wrought. On a day when Iraq’s prime minister, a Shiite, demanded that the leader of the Kurds arrest the Sunni vice president, Friedman celebrated the unity of the three groups as “the most important product of the Iraq war.” He blamed the failure of the U.S. occupation to accomplish more, in roughly equal measure, on “the incompetence of George W. Bush’s team in prosecuting the war,” “Iran, the Arab dictators and, most of all, Al Qaeda,” which he seems surprised to report “did not want a democracy in the heart of the Arab world.” President Bush’s argument for the invasion was not based on democratic nation-building but rather on two specific lies that Friedman has long danced around: that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that threatened U.S. security and that it was somehow linked to the 9/11 attacks. Friedman now insists “Iraq was always a war of choice. As I never bought the argument that Saddam had nukes that had to be taken out, the decision to go to war stemmed for me from a different choice: Could we ... tilt it and the region onto a democratizing track?” That is not quite true, for Friedman had been pushing the notion of an Iraqi nuclear threat as far back as July 7, 1991, when he severely criticized the first President Bush for leaving Saddam in power in the 1990-91 Persian Gulf War, arguing that “Mr. Hussein has a unique personal incentive to continue trying to obtain a nuclear weapon quickly.” Friedman wrote critically of what he considered President Bill Clinton’s tepid response to Iraq’s supposed WMD threat, with the columnist warning in December of 2002 that “Saddam Hussein was an expert at hiding his war toys and, having four years without inspections, had probably buried everything good under mosques or cemeteries.” Advertisement Within weeks, the U.S.-directed invasion showed that the French had been right and there were no weapons of mass destruction, just as the dictator had asserted. Nor was any plausible evidence ever produced for the second pillar of Bush’s justification for the invasion, which Friedman endorsed, that overthrowing Saddam was a valid response to the 9/11 attacks. Friedman said on the Charlie Rose television program in 2003 that what terrorists worldwide needed to see “was American boys and girls going house to house, from Basra to Baghdad, um, and basically saying, ‘Which part of the sentence don’t you understand?’ You don’t think, you know, we care about our open society, you think this bubble fantasy, we’re just going to let it grow? Well, suck on this. We could have hit Saudi Arabia. It was part of that bubble. Could have hit Pakistan. We hit Iraq because we could. That’s the real truth. ...” Such was the cynical melding of the al-Qaida threat with the justification for the invasion that Friedman again evoked this week in The New York Times: “So, no matter the original reasons for the war, in the end, it came down to this: Were America and its Iraqi allies going to defeat Al Qaeda and its allies in the heart of the Arab world or were Al Qaeda and its allies going to defeat them?” But al-Qaida was not present in the heart of the Arab world until the United States deposed Saddam, the sworn enemy of those religious fanatics. At the core of Friedman’s worldview is the assumption that the most brutal and contradictory applications of U.S.-supplied military power are by definition civilizing because this nation owns the brand defining freedom and democracy. The preservation of that brand, no matter the lengths of deceit required, is for Friedman the inevitably noble end that justifies the most despicable of means. That Friedman is a skilled obfuscator should no longer come as a revelation. But that his self-serving feints at the truth can still earn him a place of high regard in the world of journalism is a sad commentary on the profession that has rewarded him so lucratively.
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By JSD, January 5, 2012 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment
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OK. In an attempt to get back to the subject at hand. My suggestion of a “Manhattan Project”-size effort to replace oil was not sufficiently explained by me. I was focusing on the West’s injustice towards the Muslim World mainly for the sake of oil.
A fuller explanation is that I am speculating that in order to replace oil for energy, the world will have to discover a new way to utilize the Sun’s energy, and this will require a huge and expensive commitment to do, if it is possible. But, again, we do not have an Einstein-like theory to work with.
I would hope that comments stemming from my post could focus on the elements of oil and Israel being obstacles to the West’s dealing with the Islamic World and Middle Eastern peoples in a just way.
(There is also possibility that the use of oil for fueling cars will naturally be radically reduced because of promising technologies such as the Chevy ‘Volt’ and the move in general to electric cars.)
In a way, this is all beside the point. To say we need to get away from oil in the Middle East in order to lessen our propensity to support Israel against the Arabs, and therefore to improve our relations with the Islamic world is a cop-out. Our relationship with Islam is being held hostage to the U.S. religious right wing’s rabid support of anything Israel wants to do. (Remember Israel’s slaughter of Palestinians right after the U.S. 2008 elections, and the visits to Israel by U.S. right wing extremist religious, political and media-personality types.)
Oil is still a factor in the West’s injustice towards the Arabs and should be the far more difficult problem than U.S. extremist politics. Yet I wonder which will prove more difficult in the end.
Report thisBy drbhelthi, January 5, 2012 at 11:31 am Link to this comment
@teewolfe
Your claim that this great fuel HHO is being suppressed is just nonsense.
For you perhaps.
Report thisWhy have we seen nothing more in the news about the research with HHO
being done on the Hum V ? Why have auto producers not switched to
liquid propane gas? Could not possibly be related with the oil moguls and
their hold on the world, could it ?
By teewolffe, January 5, 2012 at 7:31 am Link to this comment
drbhelthi:
The breadth and depth of your conspiratorial
accusations is truly impressive. I like this most
recent about HHO.
The idea is that by breaking water down into
something called HHO gas. This new form of water
creates “magnacules” instead of regular molecules.
Increased energy output is created when this stuff is
used as a fuel.
But this fuel is just one small application of his
view of the universe. Santilli claims that Einstein
cheated in his research on relativity et al and the
universe is a much different place than we are led to
believe.
Problem is that not only are his views widely denied
by the physics community but he has not shown any
physical proof of his claims. Nor can he explain how
he gets more energy from using magnegas than he
spends creating it in the first place. In other
words, as a process, magnegas uses more energy that
it gives out.
Santilli also claims there is a worldwide conspiracy
to deny recognition of any research work that might
show “accepted beliefs” are wrong. E.g., Einstein
cheated but that fact is being kept secret by the
world community of scientists.
Your claim that this great fuel HHO is being
Report thissuppressed is just nonsense. Santilli publishes
anything he wants through his own journals. There is
no one and nothing to keep him from showing this
wonderful HHO fuel to the world.
By drbhelthi, January 3, 2012 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment
@JSD, January 1
“ - - the whole world has to become willing to spend the trillion or several
trillion dollars necessary to learn how to do this.”
Disagree.
Two methods of operating an automobile without gasoline have been
discovered. One via electricity, by Nicola Tesla in the 1920s. One, more
recently via the conversion of water into HHO, for use in internal combustion
engines. Trillions may have been spent in order to suppress both of these
discoveries. Two years ago, the USArmy was advertised to have let a contract
for adapting HHO to an army vehicle. I read this only once in the news. About two years ago. S.O.P.
Meanwhile, Japan put an HHO car on the road. I wonder if this event were
Report thisrelated with the “very unusual” earthquake and tsunami that resulted in the
burn through of the three Nuke Generators at Fukushima? Shortly before he
died, Ben Rich stated that the US could already do all the wonders listed in
the Buck Rogers comic book series. Also, the huge diesel engines that drive
the water pumps in all three nuke plants sustained broken crankshafts
immediately after startup. A former engineer of these huge Auxillary Power
Units explained to me that NONE of such APUs are properly maintained,
anywhere in the world, for 20 second startups, IAW international law. Each of
the three Nuke plants at Fukushima had a burn through, shortly after the
water-pump engines failed. Contrary to news releases. Of course.
By Anarcissie, January 2, 2012 at 10:14 am Link to this comment
The U.S. is not tremendously dependent on oil from the Mideast. The main motive of the games being played there is to at least in theory have the power to throttle the flow of oil to China, Japan, Korea, India and other countries that depend on importing it.
I don’t think a Manhattan project is necessary here, in any case. We know how to make cars that get 50 MPG and better, how to insulate houses and use solar energy to cut home consumption of energy in half, and so on. Our waste of energy and our addiction to oil is a choice.
And as far as the ruling class is concerned, it doesn’t hurt that it’s an excuse for war, imperialism, and a police state. They like that sort of thing.
Report thisBy omop, January 2, 2012 at 7:21 am Link to this comment
JSD ~~~~.
One of the best if not the best comment on the need for an American policy
that is honorable and practical that I have read on a website.
Kuds JSD.
Report thisBy JSD, January 1, 2012 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment
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The way to look at the whole of the Middle East including Iran is this: there are only two things keeping us from being able to deal with all of the Islamic World in a moral way, oil and Israel.
Young Muslims everywhere in the entire world realize what we are and they are furious. We prop up the regimes they hate and talk about ‘democratization’ all because we want their oil. We support Israel against them all because of our cut-throat domestic politics, but also because we want a military base in the area. We have no moral standing at all; yet we moralize against them and their radical Islamicism.
The only right thing to do is for The West to immediately embark on the hard road to energy independence from oil. That means that the whole world has to become willing to spend the trillion or several trillion dollars necessary to learn how to do this. The world needs one or more “Manhattan Project”-type efforts to learn this, and it’s going to be hard because there is no Einstein-like-inspired theory to go on. But it’s what we need to do, if we want to do what’s right for the world, for ourselves, and for the Islamic World.
Continuing the way we are is simply rapacious colonialism. Solve the problem of oil dependence and the world is transformed. Then we can have moral standing and choose if we wish to ignore both the Arab world and Israel. In any case, we need to let them be, to develop in their own way. We well never be able to undo all the violence that we have done against them. At least we can do the right thing and stop exploiting them.
Report thisBy drbhelthi, December 28, 2011 at 4:56 am Link to this comment
@teewolffe
“But to be honest, you guys seem pretty whacked out to me.”
Yes, you make that pretty clear. Redundantly.
I have not blamed Friedman with anything. People who are acquainted with his brand of journalism have done an excellent job without my assistance.
“Garbage in, garbage out.” Yes, I first heard that Fall 1962 via an IBM course.
Teewolffe: “Oh yeah? Who says so? Prove it. “Extraordinary charges require extraordinary proof.”
Your “extraordinaty charges” simply reflects your ignorance of American history since 1945, and the first iteration of “Operation Paper Clip.” I regret that you are ignorant of the history of NAZIs in the USA and the influence they have had on the conversion of the USA into NAZIism. “America´s NAZI Secret”, “Hitler Was a British Agent,” “Secret Societies of America´s Elite,” provide abundant information. The video at
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8252175042329977626# also provides sources of documentation that you can verify, if you can stop playing with your computer long enoudh. And, delay writing additional, ignorant, rather emotional blogs on Truthdig that reflect your personal opinion, without documentation.
It was the NAZI leadership of NASA that elevated Hubertus Strughold to “Chief of Space Medicine, NASA.” Strughold murdered innocent Jewish and other folk with his worthless experiments at the extermination Stalag in Dachau, Germany, WWII. It was the NAZI leadership of NASA that covered for him, and blamed his supervisor. A typical NAZI stunt that has been repeated a few thousand times since 1944. It was the NAZI leadership of NASA, with assistance of the GHWBushSr entourage, that established Hubertus Strughold Day in Texas. One special day in Texas that celebrates a NAZI murderer of innocent Jewish and other folk.
Report thisBy teewolffe, December 27, 2011 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment
drbhelthi:
First of all, it was and is my understanding that the
subject we are discussing is the U.S. actions in Iraq
and how Thomas Friedman advocated all of them like a
lackey lap dog! I’m just paraphrasing but I think
that’s about it.
I’ve no idea why you and moonraven want to stray off
into how the U.S. was and is committing genocide and
colonialism against the American Indian.
I’m sure you and I and probably moonraven agree on
the injustice, horrors and atrocities committed
against Native Americans since the day Columbus set
foot on “New World” soil.
I see post after post on this thread saying what a
moron and moral midget Friedman is and how he somehow
should be held responsible for the “colonialism” and
“genocide” of the U.S. in Iraq.
Well, that’s garbage thinking in my opinion. As they
say in Computer Science circles, “Garbage in. Garbage
out.” I can’t keep track of all the nonsensical
assumptions stated as fact here. Give me a break.
In your writing I see quotations marks all over the
place without a hint of what they mean. Are you
quoting someone? Doesn’t seem so.
Then you go off:
“...colonialism began to be spread to 3rd world
countries after the NAZI-
clan transferred their HQ from Berlin to D.C.,
Alabama, and Texas, via
“Operation Paper Clip,” essentially, 1945.”
Oh yeah? Who says so? Prove it. “Extraordinary charges require extraordinary proof.” You offer NO proof. No evidence. No documentation.
By the way, it was moonraven who identified his
writing in that post as a poem. I was merely showing
respect by calling it the same.
But to be honest, you guys seem pretty whacked out to me.
Report thisBy drbhelthi, December 27, 2011 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment
@teewolffe
“For you, maybe, it’s a personal truth: The truth of how you feel.”
Perhaps, your comments also reflect your feelings, rather than facts,
comrade teewolffe.
If you are Caucasoid, you cannot possess the experiential repertoire of the
offspring of the original indigenous of what are now the American
continents. Unless, you grew up within a family on what is now called an
“Indian Reservation.” Even now, oil and precious metals are being stolen
from this folk on legal “Indian lands.” Which equals continued, profound
racism, by the USGOV, worsened by the “Obama administration.”
Perhaps, your description of moonraven´s “poetry,” in your second
paragraph is reasonably accurate, as moonraven´s compilation would be
more accurately categorized as “prose.” However, in my experience, the
items listed in the prose are factually accurate. Everyone acquainted with
DU ammunition knows of its influence on children conceived, born and who
grow up in its deadly presence. Which facts have not been publicized
openly in ”public news media,” since they were overtaken by the C.I.A.
Colonialism with genocide was initiated by the queen of Spain´s initial
emissary, Columbus, followed up by hordes of assassins from Europe.
Reduction from 12-15 million to 250,000 is readily classified as genocide.
Which colonialism began to be spread to 3rd world countries after the NAZI-
clan transferred their HQ from Berlin to D.C., Alabama, and Texas, via
“Operation Paper Clip,” essentially, 1945. Furtive activities of the CIA have
been redundantly revealed by honorable “Whistle Blowers” since the 1970s.
The Obama administration removing American soldiers from Iraq? Perhaps
temporarily transferred to the borders of Syria and Iran. With 50,000 contract
“staff” and marines attached to the U.S. Embassy in Iraq ? Via covert
arrangement with Iraqi government officials, under the guise of “kicking out”
American soldiers.
“I see you guys on the margins of the far right and ultra left. Always wrong
Report thisbut never in doubt.” Per teewolffe.
Comrade teewolffe, your summary statement seems to describe your
opinions as well as, perhaps more so, than those toward whom you direct
the comment.
By teewolffe, December 26, 2011 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment
moonraven:
First and foremost you seem to identify yourself as a
racist. Not sure why that gives you comfort or
anchors your rage.
I read your poem. It’s like a string of factoids that
you cherry pick from the world. You string ‘em
together and for me they add up to a very narrow,
very select choice of “facts” and then claiming
you’ve proved your point.
Your assumptions of colonialism and genocide in Iraq
and then somehow hooking them to Friedman is a bunch
of hooey. It’s bullshit.
But it’s your opinion and I respect it as that. Just
don’t try to tell me it’s some kind of “truth”. Cuz
it ain’t. For you, maybe, it’s a personal truth: The
truth of how you feel.
That’s great, but that’s all it is. I’m not a member of your church, amigo, so don’t expect me to kneel down and say, “Huzzah! The truth at last!”
You’re wrong. You’re wrong about colonialism and genocide. You’re wrong about Friedman. And apparently you’re unable to debate the issues.
Report thisBy moonraven, December 26, 2011 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment
Not so fast, trolltea.
You are the white guy here, Custer. And I am all those Indians surrounding you.
Facts were posted re: Iraq in my poem. Apparently you cannot read. One more illiterate gringo goon bites the dust.
RIP.
Report thisBy teewolffe, December 26, 2011 at 4:52 am Link to this comment
moonraven:
I accept your surrender. See, the thing is that guys
like you are full of bluster but hard up for facts and
well reasoned positions.
Everything is either black or white. I see you guys on
the margins of the far right and ultra left. Always
wrong but never in doubt.
Cheers.
Report thisBy blogdog, December 25, 2011 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment
...prove the U.S. is I will gladly concede that colonialism is genocide…
AMERICA’S GREATEST CRIME IS RADIOACTIVE GENOCIDE
Allen L Roland’s Radio Weblog
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=37167
October 13, 2007
America’s greatest crime against humanity is radioactive genocide particularly
against the children of Iraq who are the innocent victims of our illegal war,
occupation and economic rape of Iraq ~ We have the blood of countless
innocent children on our hands and it will take generations to remove the stain
of our illegal and inhumane transgressions : Allen L Roland
Currently, more than 50 percent of Iraqi cancer patients are children under the
age of 5, up from 13 percent. Children are especially vulnerable because they
tend to play in areas that are heavily polluted by depleted uranium.
[...]
_______________________________
as for perspective: one has heard of virtually every police brutality committed
against the Occupy movement; here on TD, on Democracy Now, in The Nation,
Mother Jones, from the mouths of Left/Lib talkers: Thom Hartman, Ed Schults,
Randy Rhodes.. et al - approved Left Gatekeepers - however, this horror: DU
poisoning - apparently planned and systematic, when studied in detail, is
rarely, if ever, even mentioned
true, it’s hard to prove a negative (i.e. the absence of something), but
Report thissuspicions are widely aroused, and to ignore such suspicions as ‘conspiracy
theory’ is a cheap dismissal of the case and crass dismissal of the victims
By moonraven, December 25, 2011 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment
teewoofer:
Sorry, pal. You didn’t do your homework and I am not about to do it for you.
Keep livin’ in your gringo goonsquad pipedream. You clearly are incapable of anything else.
But next time, wipe before posting here.
Report thisBy teewolffe, December 25, 2011 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment
moonraven:
You seem to have missed my point completely. Must have been my error. The truism that colonialism equals genocide is irrelevant in this issue. Why?Because the U.S. is committing neither.
I ask again: Please show me, as in define the terms, why you think the U.S. is a colonial power in Iraq.
Make your case. If you prove the U.S. is I will gladly concede that colonialism is genocide. In fact I already do. Colonialism is a form of genocide.
But you haven’t. It’s merely an assumption that’s being made here. In fact, the terms “genocide” and “colonialism” are being used rhetorically as “buzzwords”. They obscure the issue and enrage…a lot of heat and smoke but no light. Better to reason than froth with rage.
By the way, I’m all out of opium. Could you lend me a bit?
Report thisBy moonraven, December 25, 2011 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment
Arabian Sinbad: If I included every genocide I could think of I would be typing the list from now to doomsday. You can read my thoughts on current European colonialism on http://ravensdriftingcloud.blogspot.com
Report thisin the Epilogue of Pursuing Pessoa.
By Arabian Sinbad, December 24, 2011 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment
@ moonraven
Excellent posts! I particularly concur with your point on genocide. But to your lists of genocides you forgot to include the French genocide in Algeria, over one million killed. Also, the British genocide against people in third world countries during their era of colonialism. Only an omniscient God would know the exact number of this one, because it was done slowly, piecemeal over a long period of time. In fact, Britain and France are the greatest perpetrators in modern times not only of genocides, but also in firmly establishing neocolonialism as an evil system to replace classical colonialism in third world countries in Asia, Africa and particularly in the Middle East.
Report thisBy Kalifornia, December 24, 2011 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
I have long been mystified why anyone would take Friedman’s pronouncements on the Middle East seriously. Over the years, most of them have been wrong. On what authority does he speak apart from having been a journalist/tourist in the Middle East? Academics, those who specialize in the Middle East and actually know the languages and cultures, generally find him ridiculous.
Report thisBy moonraven, December 24, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
INTIMATIONS OF THE NEXT WORLD
23.
“We can’t go on
living in shame,
breaking the rules
of the game.”
Robbie Robertson
This solstice the sun
rises over fields of blood:
Iraq, Syria,
the 60 thousand dead in
Mexico’s new Dirty War
against its people:
student protesters gunned down
on a highway in
Guerrero just last week, and
narco gangs have the green light
to massacre folks
going home for Christmas on
Veracruz buses.
The gringos withdraw their troops
from Iraq, leaving a huge
embassy (the size
of El Salvador), thousands
of mercenaries
and a sectarian war
exploding everywhere.
In Cairo: army
exceptionalism and
privilege pitted
against the demands for rights
yields a mounting death toll and
no gentle good night;
sticks and stones against billions
in gringo weapons.
“The U.S. just buys countries”,
says my nephew Max, “That’s their
foreign policy.”
Once paid for, the people are
ducks passing in a
shooting gallery: Target
practice. In Panama, 5
thousand victims of
Report thisnew U.S. weapons come back
to their barrio,
a piquant patchwork mola
of souls stitched by Kuna hands.
By moonraven, December 24, 2011 at 11:37 am Link to this comment
Teewolfe:
Too much tea laced with opium put you in a stupor from which I doubt you will return, but: ALL colonialism is GENOCIDE (neo or viejo). I Didn’t originate the phrase, but Jean Paul Sartre did.
You need to read even the tea-diluted definition of genocide on the U.N. site, and pull your thumb out of your mouth—not to drink more opium-laced tea, but to start speaking with a conscience.
If what the U.S. did and continues doing through its mercenaries to Iraq isn’t genocide, then nothing is genocide—not the Holocaust, not the even bigger holocaust of 200 plus million of my people in The New World (sic), and not the genocide against 1.5 million Armenians by the Turks that just created the big flap between Turkey and France because France passed a law making it illegal to deny the genocide against the Jews in WWII and the Armenians by Turkey in WWI.
(They should have expanded that law to include many others but that would be hitting too close to the home bone, since they participated in others besides the Vichy policy of ratting out the Jews.)
I say why not pass a policy here on Truthdig to make denial of genocide an immediate cause for being booted off the site.
Don’t fuss and snivel, there’s no jail time and huge fine like in France now.
Take your medicine like a man, and wise up.
Report thisBy Sombrio, December 24, 2011 at 8:33 am Link to this comment
Friedman is only a ghostwriter for the 21st century psycho-drama but I must remind us canucks that we are joined at the hip with the US and are at present under the complete thumb of our very own neo-con and I know none of this resonates south of the 49th but we are just as guilty of facilitating the horrors of total continual war as the people in the states. Friedman is only symptomatic of the complete moral bancruptcy of the darkness we inhabit.
Report thisBy Egomet Bonmot, December 23, 2011 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment
I’ve never understood the vast appeal of Thomas Friedman. Woody Allen’s Academy of the Overrated would be the perfect place for him.
... or deep behind the NYT’s paywall.
Report thisBy MeHere, December 23, 2011 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment
Anarcissie 12/23 8:45 am
I think Friedman’s prominence is due to the unique effervescence and self-
Report thisassurance with which he conveys the belief that the US is the #1 democracy that
can never do wrong and will always succeed. This is music to the ears of those in
power, to big interests, and to the large numbers of folks who are desperately
trying to hang on to that illusion. In that sense and within that world, his
prominence is big. Outside of that, I don’t know that he is seen as an intellectually prominent figure.
By Wallace Fraser, December 23, 2011 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
I don’t get it; Neutie is an intellectual, Ryan is an
Report thiseconomist, and Friedman knows what he’s talking
about. And the three Pulitzers .... WTF? The bullshit
that passes for critical thinking on the MSM soapbox
is depressing and at times results in self-inflicted
head-banging on my keyboard. Being serious, glib,
and “confident” it seems is all that’s needed. Of
course, with a little help from corporate and vested
interest friends. Bag men like Friedman get away with
their lies because they can. We have so little
recourse in stopping our government from invading,
occupying, and reigning down terror on poor sovereign
nations. Friedman is a coward. May there be a God.
By drbhelthi, December 23, 2011 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment
@felicity
Accurate ideas. Congrats.
GHWBushSr. with assistance of the C.I.A. established all the dictator-types in the
Mid East, excepting Gadhaffi, especially the Saudi family, of which Osama bin
Laden was his prize employee. Osama bin Laden was on his death bed during the
9-11 events, and even the F.B.I. found no evidence that he was involved in 9-11. He
died three months later, of renal failure on 19 Dec. 2001. He had received two kidney
transplants, neither of which took, and two years on dialysis. The Hollywood production, allegedly in Pakistan, of the Kenyan, Obama, was just one more of his numerous frauds. Even if every member of the SEAL team were murdered, the identity of the person they allegedly murdered will eventually leak out. Perhaps sooner than later.
The “Boo Hoo” cartoon of Mr. Fish might clarify some of your questions.
http://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/mr-fish-boo-hoo/
Although Gadhaffi collaborated “with the U.S.” on several issues, he perceived the
deceit of the Bush Sr. schemes and would not be sucked in. After the CIA whistle-
blower publicized that the C.I.A. blew up the Boeing 747 over Lockerbie, Scotland,
Gadhaffi was adjudicating repayment of Libya´s unjust payment of damages to
families of the murdered passengers on the 747. To prevent world embarrassment
this would have caused the GHWBushSr clan, NATO was sicked onto Gadhaffi, and
razed Libya, destroying the most advanced nation in Africa. Sarkozy, the almost
Frenchman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHVlU2jHT70&feature=related
While 9-11 was in progress, GHWBushSr was conducting arms sales with the Saudi
Report thisfamily in the White House. Only two aircraft flew into US skies on 9-12, the day
following; the Saudi family Boeing, and the US jet fighter that escorted them out of
the U.S. http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8252175042329977626#
By teewolffe, December 23, 2011 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
As awful as it genocide is, it is not neocolonialism or
the same old colonialism. But there is no genocide that
I know of going on in Iraq by the U.S. nor has there
ever been.
And the subject is Thomas Friedman and Iraq. In what
sense is there colonialism by the U.S. there? And where
have you ever seen Friedman advocate it.
You guys are all drunk on your ranting and can think
Report thisstraight. Sober up. Get serious. Get real.
By terry p, December 23, 2011 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment
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Thomas Friedman fantasizes his Ayn Rand Characters as the .o1% dreamers while the 99ers see the reality of austerity rising on the horizon. Friedman knows that cheap labor is good for the market. It’s the cheap labor you see that brings democracy to the middle east. Millions of new dollars will be created in new credit card debt instead of better jobs payroll for the brand new patriots of the middle east. It was his and Bushits great expectation of their empirical style democracies.
It’s nothing personal—just business right?
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Report thisBy moonraven, December 23, 2011 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment
Those of you who balk at the use of the term neocolonialism:
Forget the neo, then. It’s not new, anyway, so it’s not “neo”. It’s the same OLD colonialism (another word for GENOCIDE) that the gringos have been promoting and imposing since they became independent from the UK and hence became gringos.
If you think colonialism died, pay a visit to any one of your local Indian reservations. You will see folks without electricity, running water, health care, habitable housing and jobs. Then tell me how that is different from colonial encalves such as Soweto, which gringos hypocritically claimed to be scandalized by in South Africa.
Give me a break here. All the apologists for genocide have done in several hundred years is take their thumbs out of their rectums, put them in their mouths and start sucking.
Report thisBy moonraven, December 23, 2011 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment
D. R. Zing: Good post, except I quibble with this:
“He’s not a journalist.
He’s a cheerleader
sent by coaches
to titillate the crowd.”
Ugly, titless middle-aged zionist titillates precisely WHICH crowd?
gringos must be harder up than I thought. Even.
Report thisBy Marian Griffith, December 23, 2011 at 11:38 am Link to this comment
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@anarcissie
—-I find Friedman unreadable, which in a way is unfortunate because I’d like to understand the mystery of his prominence.—-
And there you have summed up the reason for his prominence. People do not understand what he is writing but rather than saying so they nod and agree, for fear of coming across as ignorant or unpatriotic.
Emperors new clothes and all that.
Report thisBy felicity, December 23, 2011 at 11:36 am Link to this comment
Mr. Cyr - Pox on all their houses. Kristol - no
liberal he - wrote a letter to Clinton in ‘98
advising him to ‘attack’ Iraq.
Bush I, throughout the ‘80’s initiated and supported
much of the financing, intelligence and military help
that built Saddam’s Iraq into the aggressive power it
became.
Then, when president, Bush launched the Gulf War
Report thisagainst Iraq - justified by her attack on Kuwait, of
course. This all gets very confusing. Maybe we arm
nations to encourage their aggression (hopefully
against us, or one of our obedient minions?) We then
must return the ‘favor’ which is one (ugly) way to
keep the merchants of death fat, sassy and very
happy.
By blogdog, December 23, 2011 at 11:20 am Link to this comment
RE: ...half a million Iraqi children die as a result of the Clinton siege sanctions,
if that was what it would take to remove one (1) insubordinate U.S. sponsored
sand thug (and ensure an oil deal the people of Iraq could not refuse).
and nothing changes, vis-à-vis hegemonic pro-globalist foreign policy: in just 6
months, NATO perished 50,000-100,000 in Libya, presumably to take out one
‘insubordinate’ and what’s planned for Syria could easily be worse
and, the so-called left-lib-progressive media regurgitates and echos NATO’s
Report thisagitprop, designed for wars to fail more states - this, you’ll never see reported in
TD, Democracy Now nor The Nation: Al-Jazeera Top Officials Resign for
fabricating news on Syria - September 23, 2011 -
http://truthfrequencynews.com/?p=13744
By Anarcissie, December 23, 2011 at 9:45 am Link to this comment
I find Friedman unreadable, which in a way is unfortunate because I’d like to understand the mystery of his prominence.
Report thisBy truedigger3, December 23, 2011 at 9:41 am Link to this comment
Re: By David J. Cyr, December 23 at 6:54 am
Re: By D.R. Zing, December 23 at 7:25 am
Two excellent posts that hit the nail exactly on the head.
Report thisBy D.R. Zing, December 23, 2011 at 8:27 am Link to this comment
California Ray,
Pithy and on the mark. Congrats.
Zing
Report thisBy D.R. Zing, December 23, 2011 at 8:25 am Link to this comment
Friedman makes bucket of money from a lot of different sources writing
klunky prose feigning liberalism on many issues dear to the hearts of
progressives, while at the same time supporting the twenty-four hour
war cycle in the Middle East.
Read him and rebuke him.
Rebuke his fake progressiveness.
Rebuke his well-paid sophistry.
Ridicule his terrible writing.
Don’t buy his books.
Tell your friends not to buy his books.
Don’t buy the New York Times until Friedman is gone.
He’s not a journalist.
He’s a cheerleader
sent by coaches
to titillate the crowd.
—Zing
Report thisBy weindeb, December 23, 2011 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
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Friedman is a soporific con, or at least people let him con them and even give him
Report thisawards for doing so. He is a kind of Sinclair Lewis character who, as a booster
deluxe, would feel happily at home in a novel like BABBITT. Once, and probably
not even half in jest, really, did he suggest replacing the French in the UN Security
Council with a nation mature and responsible enough to support war against Iraq.
Apparently the only reason this shallow and pompous individual disavowed our
criminal enterprise, with its mass murder and general devastation, is that the
administration did not adopt his formula for redesigning the nation they had
destroyed. As far as I can tell, the principal difference between the asinine William
Kristol, too much a malevolent buffoon even for the TIMES to tolerate, is that
Friedman is far more subtle and better disguises his intent and his incompetence.
At least David Brooks of the sainted TIMES writes even more boringly so that he
most likely discourages many of those he might otherwise influence from reading
him.
By David J. Cyr, December 23, 2011 at 7:54 am Link to this comment
This Robert Scheer article is an example of how liberals use their nuanced approach to maintain liberal faith through malevolent misinformation. In it, Scheer focuses upon Freidman’s manufacture of “Bush” war deceits, while Scheer simultaneously slickly maintains the “Bush” war liberal deceit… in which the 8 years that the Clinton regime laid siege upon Iraq to both economically and militarily degrade its infrastructure and defenses, to make it weak enough to eventually be easily invaded and occupied, are not counted as being part of America’s 21 year long war against the people of Iraq.
It was Madeline Albright (Clinton’s Democrat regime Field Marshal), who calmly — cold-bloodedly — in a 60 Minutes interview publicly affirmed in 1996 what her and the Clinton regime’s position was: that Clinton was willing to have half a million Iraqi children die as a result of the Clinton siege sanctions, if that was what it would take to remove one (1) insubordinate U.S. sponsored sand thug (and ensure an oil deal the people of Iraq could not refuse).
Sheer is struggling to have voters forget corporate party Democrat complicity in war crimes, in order to condition voters to compliantly continue being corporate party complicit Democrats.
If Democrats were the Solution, we wouldn’t have the Problems.
Jill Stein for President:
http://www.jillstein.org
Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:
http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1
Report thisBy drbhelthi, December 23, 2011 at 12:24 am Link to this comment
“Saddam was a champeen asshole, but, like Tito, with his iron grip on the Balkans,
at least Hussein kept the people in line.” James M. Martin
If “keeping the people in line” is your bottom line, your values mesh nicely with
those of the 1%, the New World Order and the nazification of the U.S.A.
I encourage you to broaden your view.
Report thisBy California Ray, December 22, 2011 at 11:54 pm Link to this comment
Thomas Friedman is so batshit crazy he gives bloodthirsty blowhards a bad name.
Report thisBy James M. Martin, December 22, 2011 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment
It never really occurred to me to characterize the Iraqi misadventure as “neocolonialism”—excellent! George W. Bush and the neocons forgot history and, thus, were condemned to repeat it: Not so much in launching the campaigns in the Mideast in the first place (with everyone from Alexander the Great to the Soviets coming croppers in Afghanistan), but in emulation of the British Empire. Once the Brits got overextended, with resultant suffering of the folks at home due to the expense and loss of human treasure, their empire collapsed. We are in grave danger of doing the same thing. Both the secretary of defense and chiefs of staff warned against on-the-ground involvement in places like Egypt and Libya because we simply did not have the resources: we were over-extended. This allows tyrants to abuse their citizens secure in the knowledge that the Americans cannot stop them. I think Kim Jung Il knew this. So did Ghadafi. When will we ever learn that meddling in other nations’ affairs, no matter what the hope of profit (e.g. oil) always puts us in a worse position than when we began the operations. Now that we have a billion dollar embassy in Iraq, the government we left in charge there is fading, soon to be replaced by another strong man, probably a Sunni. Of course, this will happen after a civil war, another Viet Nam, only with religion replacing political philosophy. Saddam was a champeen asshole, but, like Tito, with his iron grip on the Balkans, at least Hussein kept the people in line.
Report thisBy caped amigo, December 22, 2011 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment
Tommy Friedman: a butthole, arrogant fraud, sycophant, brown-noser, and
Report thisdoofus. Don’t forget Pulitzer Prize propagandist. And Teewolffe! Back off!!! You
couldn’t eat at the same table with Mr. Scheer, but I see your dish. It’s over there
on the floor in the corner.
By Blueokie, December 22, 2011 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment
Thomas Friedman proves you don’t have to have accuracy or credibility when you’re the worlds most successful windsock.
Report thisBy cclauson, December 22, 2011 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment
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Thomas Friedman has, still does, and probably always will sound like a total idiot. I have no idea why anyone listens to him or cares what he has to say.
Report thisBy abwehr, December 22, 2011 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Scheer has demonstrably shown the hypocrisy and agit-prop propoganda that Thomas Friedman uses The New York Times for. Freiedman is a silver spooned irrlevant buffoon.
His irrelvancy grows like Topsy everyday—along side with his press colleagues such as his waspy counterpart at The Washington Post, David Ignatius.
The three time awarding of a Pulitzer Prize shows how degraded & devoid of meaning that award has become.
Mit der dummheit kampfen die Gotte selbst vergebens
Report thisBy mrfreeze, December 22, 2011 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment
moonraven - Your comment: “Thomas Friedman is a basic zionist gringo butthole.”
Would you tell us how you really feel?
Report thisBy blogdog, December 22, 2011 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment
from the article: ”...three-time Pulitzer Prize winner often gets it wrong. Hell, the media give themselves so many awards how can they not get it wrong from time to time?
as for the interview excerpt: Corporation for Propaganda Broadcasting, what does one expect?
anyone still so naive they think Tommy or Charlie actually represent a ‘free press’? - think again; we’ve still got this to contend with: “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)
Report thisBy David, December 22, 2011 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment
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It is utterly beyond me how any informed person can believe that Friedman has any credibility regarding the Middle East. He has long since revealed himself to be an arrogant fraud and despite the odd token critique, a devoted apologist for Israel.
Report thisBy donmac14, December 22, 2011 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment
Following is the letter to the editor I sent to the NYT about the Op-Ed Mr. Scheer writes about.
Report this“Al Qaeda did not want democracy in the heart of the Arab world.” How about did not want foreign invaders”? And how about not a word about oil, as in “It’s all bout oil,” in this essay?”
Donald MacDonald, Sydney, Nova Scotia.
By teewolffe, December 22, 2011 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment
Hey Scheer,
What a load of ultra left retro horse shit.
“neocolonial”? How about defining just what that is
in the case of Iraq?
Ok, you’ve got an opinion and you don’t like
Friedman or his “worldview”. But then you rant to
making a list of accusations that you don’t bother
to document in any way.
That’s nothing but a diatribe, a rant, a screed!
Report thisThanks for your opinion but it was non persuasive.
By Karl Schroeder, December 22, 2011 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment
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It is beyond me how this incompetent airhead is still allowed to reach an already uninformed public with his analytical drivel. The man has no idea how incompetent he is and evidently those who are responsible for publishing his inconsequential nonsense don’t either. His one dimensional mentality has done immense harm - political, economical and social) just as the other Friedman (the University of Chicago one) has done. The world is not flat Mr. Friedman, you are.
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By Hasapiko, December 22 at 5:09 am
“The only way to bring that point home to the misguided politicians in Washington is to vote for Ron Paul. He may be crazy about other matters but his stand and his commitment to a reduced military posture is clear.”
I thought that about Dennis Kucinich and all it took was one plane ride with Obama to muzzle him.
Nothing is clear my friend. Obama, the recipient of the Nobel Peace prize, drilled that point home with his own private army. He don’t rendition suspected terrorist but sends drones to kill them along with all innocent by standers that happen to be in the way.
Your vote is useless as long as the Banksters can buy your mind, body and sole. Ask around. How many people are going to vote for a person not funded by some corporation.
Read “The Web of Debt” by Ellen Brown to find out who your masters are and how they stole our country at least a hundred years ago. Hint (I’m whistling a tune that goes with our revolutionary army with boots made from torn cloth in a frigid 1776 winter for the mood of this hint) The bankster who wouldn’t allow the colonist to print their own money. They convinced King George to outlaw it. We had a tea party to celebrate. They were the banksters who headed central banks in five different countries (Spain, France, Portugal, Germany and last but not least Great Britain) at the time of our revolutionary war. King George relied on their abilities to run the economy of Europe to expand his empirical hand. This family in question has an estimated worth today of over $100 trillion. It is also active in at least one well known secret society. It would be ground breaking for the world to find out what those secrets are, which some say has been held for over a thousand years.
With the distractions we all see in our so called news media it must rouse a little curiosity about what kinds of secrets are being held that affect each of us.
Do you think Thomas Friedman has a clue as to what those secrets are? Do you think he’s curious? Dean Henderson has a few facts and a few theories here >> http://deanhenderson.wordpress.com/
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Report thisBy moonraven, December 22, 2011 at 11:52 am Link to this comment
Thomas Friedman is a basic zionist gringo butthole.
No need to beat around the Bush about him. Nor mince epithets.
Every since his brief kidnapping in Lebanon many years ago he has run around beating the pots and pans for imperialilsm and genocide while wearing a tutu.
Report thisBy Rixar13, December 22, 2011 at 11:31 am Link to this comment
“Was the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, which he did so much to encourage, a “wise choice”?
War of choice where Bush Jr. leaps at the chance to finish the percieved wrong to his dad losing the election via NATO .... Bad move…. sigh
Report thisBy omop, December 22, 2011 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
Mr. Scheer’s commentary also reflects on the mentality and judgement of
the NYT and the people that hand out the PP.
Congrats Mr. Scheer.
Report thisBy DonSchneider, December 22, 2011 at 10:53 am Link to this comment
Ah Mr Friedman ! The personification of the apologist for the status quo and
Report thisAnother New York Times “Pretty Face”........ for me to poop on !
By gerard, December 22, 2011 at 10:38 am Link to this comment
Takes an inordinant amount ot hutzpah to liken suicide bombers and a ten-year international massacre as bursting “a bubble”!
Report thisBy felicity, December 22, 2011 at 10:37 am Link to this comment
Friedman’s writings put him in the category of the Bush
spokesman who held a ‘news’ conference at the end of
the ‘invasion’ of Iraq at which he proclaimed the
magnificent victory that we could now acclaim.
A reporter in the room asked but what about the loss of
Report thisAmerican lives. The spokesman brushed off the reporter
thus, “Well, that’s just a number.” (Any wife, mother,
father, child with a loved one who wants to join the
military to ‘save-America’ should make a note of that
remark.)
By DonSchneider, December 22, 2011 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
Friedman another “Mackerel in the Moonlight”...just don’t get too close.
Report thisBy BrilliantBill, December 22, 2011 at 9:58 am Link to this comment
Truth and bottom line:
Friedman is a textbook sycophant. I’m sure he had the brownest nose in his first grade class.
Report thisBy truedigger3, December 22, 2011 at 9:30 am Link to this comment
Thomas Friedman is nothing but a mouth-piece for globalization and Empire. He is a sadistic war-monger.
Report thisDuring the attack on Yugoslavia, he boasted jously that Serbia would be bombed mercilessly to oblivion if it didn’t comply with NATO unreasonable demands.
Many times he rejoiced on the application of raw power on helpless peoples.
His writing skills cannot compensate for the shallowness and stupidities of his argumnents. No matter how skillful a make-up artist is, he cannot make a pig look beautiful!.
No wonder that the power-that-be gave him three Pulizer prizes!!!? What a farce! May be in the near future they will give him Noble peace prize!
By bart, December 22, 2011 at 9:20 am Link to this comment
Thanx Robert for putting in a nutshell what i’ve been feeling for a long time
Report thisespecially when even some of my prog friends claim he’s astute and smart. well, if
he’s so damn smart why’d he get it wrong so often. every time i read his column
it’s either skewed, wrong or just lamely establishment [firmly IN the box]. that he
won 3 pulitzers is a frightening show of rewarding mediocrity and that the
committee doesn’t go very far off the beaten track. friedman’s pulizers are as
absurd as obama’s nobel peace prize.
By MeHere, December 22, 2011 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
Thanks, R. Scheer, for including some of those Friedman’s pearls of writing I have
Report thismissed. The man is not meant to be taken seriously on the subject of politics,
even when he criticizes Israeli policy. He is himself a bubble bouncing on top of
that rewarding world of bubble journalism.
By chacaboy, December 22, 2011 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
It comes as no surprise that the New York Times is clinging to the establishment
Report thisin these tough times for newspapers. What amazes me is the breadth and depth of
neo-liberalism so that they actually have their own private Pulitzer Prize-winning
journalist at their disposal to justify wars they blame on Republicans.
By Amon Drool, December 22, 2011 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
scheer rightly skewers friedman for his cheerleading
Report thisrole in bringing about much unnecessary death and
suffering in iraq. but ‘comrade’ hitchens last week
got a pass because he had sympathy for the Kurds.
By balkas, December 22, 2011 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
friedman does not see that educating iraqis about democracy wld have been
more effective and if not effective than war to any degree, wld have still been
better as it wld have saved american an iraqi lives, limbs, and souls.
however, the problem had been that america cld not teach anybody any
democracy, justice, peace, etc., because it itself had none of that.
and u.s, itself participated in setting up an empire in the mesopotamia that
Report thiscld be held together only by repression, crimes, etc. tnx
By FairPoliticalTruth, December 22, 2011 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
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Iraq was about oil, plain and simple. Iraq was not a member of OPEC and was always a thorn in the side of the status quo.
Report thisSaddam was working on selling Iraq’s oil to Germany and Europe for Euro’s and not American dollars. This was unacceptable to Americian hegmony.
Now Western oil companies have access to huge oil reserves, and the US tax payer picked up the security tab for this access.
All other justifications are propaganda.
By drbhelthi, December 22, 2011 at 8:48 am Link to this comment
“But that his self-serving feints at the truth can still earn him a place of high regard in the world of journalism is a sad commentary on the profession that has rewarded him so lucratively.”
How very accurate !
Which can also be said about a few hundred similar, journalist-defrauders.
(Three cheers for those who are becoming honest.)
Both Friedman and “Barack H. Obama“ are similarly expert at twisting ideas and word-phrases, and one wonders if the two are perhaps related ?
Does Friedman also praise Obama for “withdrawing U.S. soldiers from Iraq?”
Meanwhile, soldiers write home, clarifying the news-media-fraud of Obama, explaining that the titles of their units have changed, but their mission remains the same. Meanwhile, soldiers are being moved from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan to the borders of Syria and Iran. (only one guess, as to why, is allowed)
It is reasonable to think that any soldiers that are returning to the U.S. are returning due to rotation dates, not because soldiers are being removed from Iraq. Soldiers rotating and being transferred are to be replaced by fresh troops, reported as follows: http://www.stripes.com/news/army-units-preparing-to-lead-new-afghan-training-and-advisory-mission-1.163956
Brigade Combat Teams of the following units are scheduled for transfer: 4th Infantry Division out of Fort Carson, Colo.; 101st Infantry Division from Fort Campbell, Ky.; 1st Armored Division from Fort Bliss, Texas; and 3rd Infantry Division from Fort Stewart, Ga.
Report thisThe Combat Teams are to be called, “Security Force Assistance Teams”.
Certainly.
Combat Teams are to infiltrate “indigenous security personnel teams” and wander around enforcing “security” ? One former Army Ranger, who commanded troops in Afghanistan, has some questions as to how the “assistance teams” will function.
Probably a few hundred other former Rangers also have similar questions.
While Afghanistan is advertised to be their new station, news media print that which is fed to them. Which, when important, is typically fraudulent.
By Mike Strong, December 22, 2011 at 8:45 am Link to this comment
The least informed but best cocktailed always rule the roost. At least that means he is one of the controlling class because those are the circles Tom Friedman runs in. I’m surprised he isn’t selling Sham-Wow! on TV.
As far as Pulitzers go, he is only one of the most prominent examples of why Pulitzers are worthless. I’ve seen enough other examples of surface-based reportage and very unremarkable or just chance-based photography that I long ago lost any respect for this prized prize.
It was Friedman’s “Flat Earth” book which totally confirmed my suspicions of worthlessness dressed up in a facile mind with promotional hubris. This was and is my field and I realized how totally wrong he was. I realized that he had contacted only the cocktail set in tech companies. They are the ones who least know what they are doing (they have MBAs, the modern equivalent of royal inheritance, to give orders) and that is who he chose to get information from.
He didn’t bother to learn enough to understand the technologies and didn’t do enough grunt work to know the real workers, to know who gets paid what (going down since the mid 90s), who was doing the work and from where. That would require breaking bread with the lower class (real human workers) as opposed to breaking petit fours with executives.
Report thisBy EmileZ, December 22, 2011 at 8:42 am Link to this comment
Why can’t it be “The Bob Scheer Show” instead???
It’s a crying shame the kind of crap Charlie Rose allows to be asserted on his “thinking man’s show” without any serious scrutinization.
Report thisBy ccotown13, December 22, 2011 at 8:33 am Link to this comment
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You have to wonder how any rag with any credibility could continue to employ this
Report thisself-serving character. It’s a tremendous insult and disrespect to the Times’
readers.
By SarcastiCanuck, December 22, 2011 at 8:23 am Link to this comment
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All the neocons put this clown on a pedestal because he was saying exactly what they wanted to hear to justify this stupid war.Ten years later the middle east is more polarised and determined to break away from thier imperial masters in the U.S.A.The true irony is that all the guys like Michael Scheuer,Eric Margolis,Richard Clarke and Jim Webb called this correctly back in 2001.For being experts in thier fields and speaking the truth they were all marginalized and ignored.Instead the ship of fools lead by Cheney with Friedman cheering him on,created a fiasco which is still playing out violently today(16 seperate bombings in Baghdad yesterday alone).And it ain’t over yet by any stretch.
Report thisAmerica,you have some of the most brilliant people in the world,however,none of them seem to be in your federal government.Expect many more years of violence,war and heartbreak.Good luck.
By Elroy, December 22, 2011 at 8:08 am Link to this comment
What condemns Friedman before history is his lack of
empathy for human suffering, the mark of an arch-
conservative. Bush knew what was best for the Iraqi people
- and as a result more than a hundred thousand died, as
many were maimed and/or traumatised, a few million were
displaced and the nation was left in ruins. We’ll see on
Iraq? No: we saw and nothing can erase the horror.
http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-
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ignores-dead-civilians
By Mike, December 22, 2011 at 8:01 am Link to this comment
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I’ve only read Friedman’s articles on a couple of occasions because they were to conservative leaning. And, divorced from truth and reality. Thanks for pointing out Friedman’s lack of candor! The amount of death and destruction our leaders find acceptable is disgusting. If only they became subject to their own edicts.
Report thisBy Anarcissie, December 22, 2011 at 7:52 am Link to this comment
The respect given to Friedman and his fatuities has amazed me for a long time—even his cynicism is shallow and ill-informed—but lately on two occasions he has dared to criticize Israel. The wind seems to be shifting! I wonder what occasioned this article at this time, then.
Report thisBy Paul McGuire, December 22, 2011 at 7:43 am Link to this comment
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My only question: why does anyone take this poseur
Report thisseriously enough to buy his brand of tripe?
By sofianitz, December 22, 2011 at 7:41 am Link to this comment
Thomas Friedman is not anyone whose writings or utterances can be taken seriously. He is the caricature that reminds us that our failed and inept society is on it’s last legs. What a pitiful joke!
Report thisBy Arabian Sinbad, December 22, 2011 at 7:13 am Link to this comment
Talking about evil bubbles that we need to burst, I believe that evil Zionist Thomas Friedman is one of the pillars of this bubble!
I hope that Robert Scheer’s excellent article will set us on the path of taking care of our internal evil bubbles!
Report thisBy katsteevns, December 22, 2011 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
It will be a cold day in hell before I let Thomas(tell-us-what-we-want-to-hear)Friedman do my thinking for me.
Report thisBy Hasapiko, December 22, 2011 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
And, are we expected to believe the assertions about Iran’s nuclear weapons program???? Our leadership has zero credibility now. So, it is more than time for the US to fold its wings, bring the troops home and start tending to our domestic agenda.
Report thisThe only way to bring that point home to the misguided politicians in Washington is to vote for Ron Paul. He may be crazy about other matters but his stand and his commitment to a reduced military posture is clear.
Happy holidays and God bless Truthdig and Robert Scheer.
By John Poole, December 22, 2011 at 5:59 am Link to this comment
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An oxygen thief with a huge carbon footprint. Who would even care to listen to
Report thisthis doofus?
By GJS, December 22, 2011 at 5:59 am Link to this comment
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It’s amazing just how selective some peoples memories are when they so chose, but if reminded can envoke a nasty reply.
Report thisSome of the people the western world are holding up as goodies & achievers are NO better if not worse than the ones they are supposedly against however the time will come(eventually) when the majority of people finally work out what the minority of us have known about for years now, our world is run by self indulgent liars who rule by deception, fear & utter contempt for the people that voted them into office.
Maybe then people will actually think about who they’re voting for instead of the lemmings attitude we have now.
I do however hope this happens sooner rather than later because there is nothing more “convenient” than a war to distract peoples attention away from what is truly wrong.
By walterbard, December 22, 2011 at 5:47 am Link to this comment
Friedman is just as wrong on his caterwauling
criticism of Israel. Of course Sheer won’t admit that, most knee jerk leftists won’t. To put it bluntly,there is a good guy and a bad guy in the Israeli and “Palestinian”
( that’s the fiction some Syrian and
Jordanian Arabs call themselves as a propaganda ploy to destroy the Jewish state. That goal is in their 1968 charter.)
and Israel is the good guy.
Report thisFriedman’s rant attacking congressional cheering
of Netanyahu as a Jewish plot finally reveals Friedman as he truly is, an overrated journalist and self hating Jewish antiSemite.
By Dr Bones, December 22, 2011 at 5:00 am Link to this comment
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Send Friedman to the Hague for trial. He was an enabler of war crimes and crimes against humanity. Shame on Charlie Rose for having him on the show. Friedman should be behind bars or in a padded cell.
Report thisBy EmileZ, December 22, 2011 at 4:11 am Link to this comment
That Charlie Rose clip is really something else.
Thank you for sharing Mr. Scheer.
I love the “bubble” analogy.
Outstanding!!!
Report thisBy Michael_Murry, December 22, 2011 at 3:49 am Link to this comment
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I get it now. America had the power to just do stuff. So, America did some stuff. Not necessarily against anyone who had actually did some stuff to America—like Israel or Saudi Arabia—but because some weak countries in the Muslim world needed to know that we could send some of our boys and girls into their neighborhoods with guns telling them to “suck on this.” Pulitzer Prize winning stuff, indeed.
Report thisBy Pat DiLorenzo, December 22, 2011 at 3:49 am Link to this comment
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Thomas Friedman is one of the top ten reasons why I will not be paying to read the New York Times online when my “free” subscription runs out at the end of the year.
And they can, you know, “suck on that”.
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