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Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas sits front and center in 2006 as she waits for President George W. Bush’s press secretary, Tony Snow, to arrive for the daily briefing in the West Wing of the White House.

By Robert Scheer

The media tirade against Helen Thomas is as illogical as it is hysterical. The few sentences uttered by her were, as she quickly acknowledged, wrong—deeply so, I would add. But they cannot justify the road-rage destruction of the dean of the Washington press corps. Suddenly this heroic woman who broke so many gender barriers and dared to challenge presidential arrogance was reduced to nothing more than the stereotypical anti-Israel Arab that it is so fashionable to hate.

“Thomas, of Lebanese ancestry and almost 90, has never been shy about her anti-Israel views,” writes Richard Cohen in The Washington Post, in a non sequitur reference to a reporter born in Winchester, Ky., in 1920 when few—Jews included—supported a Jewish state in Palestine and whose parents were Christians. Obviously Cohen, who attacks Thomas for “revealing how very little she knew” about the history of Israel, is unaware that Lebanese Christians have been the staunchest allies of the Jewish state. Indeed, they provided the shock troops who, under Israeli cover, massacred the unarmed inhabitants of Palestinian refugee camps. To attribute Thomas’ views on Israel to her Lebanese parents is no less offensive than it would be to suggest that a Jewish reporter cannot be objective because, as in my case, his mother escaped anti-Semitism in Russia.

Thomas’ fall from grace as a media icon began with her daring to criticize the abysmal coverage of the buildup to the Iraq war. How ironic that her opposition to the U.S. invasion is offered as an example of hostility to Israel when that war did so much to increase the power of Iran, Israel’s most significant enemy in the region. After all, Israel claims that the presumed military threat from Gaza is fueled by Iran, which enjoys much support in Shiite-led Iraq—previously governed by Tehran’s archenemy Saddam Hussein.

As someone who has long supported a two-state solution for the historically disputed land of Palestine, I have no trouble condemning Thomas’ ill-considered remarks that Israeli Jews should go back to the lands from where they came. I am opposed to denying legitimacy to desperate immigrants seeking a better life anywhere, be they in Arizona or the Middle East. What I don’t understand is why this basic respect for human rights doesn’t apply to the people who call themselves Palestinian and who are illegal immigrants not as a matter of birth but only in the political calculus of those who find their indigenous presence at best an inconvenience and at worst an insolvable threat. Why is it morally acceptable to deny Palestinians the right to full citizenship in their birthplace and instead insist, as Israel’s leaders often have, that they should be content to live under the flag of nations like Egypt, Syria and Jordan that have long oppressed them?

Nor is it relevant to lecture the Palestinians that the current rulers of Jordan might be more benign overlords than when they slaughtered Palestinians in the Black September days of 1970-71. Or that they should be comfortable under the rule of Egypt, whose leaders had previously governed Gaza so oppressively and now join in the cruel blockade of its economy. Demands that Palestinians surrender their national aspirations are no more valid than Thomas’ outburst calling for Jews to trust the modern governments of Poland and Germany. 

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What the Thomas affair allowed was the repeat incantation of the Holocaust as the excuse for punishing not the Europeans who committed those unspeakable crimes, but rather the Palestinians, who had nothing whatsoever to do with what remains as the greatest moral stain on the history of people claiming to be civilized. It was not Palestinians or Muslim fundamentalists who ran the crematoriums, but rather highly educated and mostly Christian Europeans.

For that reason, one must support the right of Jews to live securely in the nation of Israel, the place they claim as their historical homeland. But not without consideration of the rights of their fellow Semites, the mostly non-Jewish Palestinians who happened to already be living there.

On that point the apology Thomas issued got it right: “I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heartfelt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance.”

Now all that is left is for those in the media and government who have shown so little respect and tolerance for the Palestinian side of the dispute to offer some apologies for decades of indifference to, and often contempt for, those victims as well.

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 11:44 pm Link to this comment

Ed,  we finally have a post we agree on !!!!

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By Garden Gloves, June 10, 2010 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you.  It was not the Palestinian who was responsible for the Holocaust; it was the Germans who Israel shares an affectionate with the poor Germans. They imagine that, in doing this, they are atoning for their sins.

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By Sean Mulligan, June 10, 2010 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment
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I think that Thomas only meant to refer to those Israeli settlers who have illegaly moved into land in the occupied territories not people living withinin the recognized borders of Israel. She mispoke because she was angry about the attack on the peace flotilla and fustracted by the pro Israel media covere. Also, that guy seemed to ambush her.

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 10:48 pm Link to this comment

re:By Cole…, June 11 at 2:30 am :

Look, unlike your shitty greedy deranged fascist citizens,
who want the United States to destroy whole countries,
like Iran, for you, I’m not asking the same to be done to Israel.

Oh no, I don’t want my government to bomb or invade or occupy or destroy
Israel, even though it’s clear that Israel is an enemy of the United States,
and that Israelis have zero respect for our citizens, whom they murder
sadistically with impunity.

No, I don’t want my government to attack and blow you to bits, though it’s
tempting to think about, since you so well deserve it.

No, I would be very happy if we only ceased to fund and arm you, to give our
military technology to you (which you turn around and sell to North Korea), to
fight wars for you, to support you rhetorically at the UN and on the floor of
Congress with speeches of sickening fawning and praise, while your own
politicians trash-talk us on the floor of the Knesset whenever they sense the
slightest hesitancy in obedience from their American acolytes.

That much I do want.

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By Cole..., June 10, 2010 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment

Sorry Ed
you are mixing your metaphors and doing so in a ramling incoherent way—hard to follow.

Who is ‘we’? As often refered to in this complex rambling?

Like—“We aren’t holding additional zillions as miserable helots in a penumbra of
occupied territories into which we are injecting large numbers of savagely racist
religious fanatics as settlers.——?”

Glad to know ‘we’ are not. But identify the ones holding zillions. Zillions of what? Where is the “penumbra”? How large is that ‘penumbra”?

I am also gald to know “we” are not relient on a superpower!

But why would we be? We are the superpower! And broadcast this position as the ‘only remaining superpower’ since the break-up of the USSR. Is It us that you refer to as the “we”? With military bases in over 160 nations the “Pnumbra” you refer to must be our? Is that right?

Are you taking mdication?

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment

It’s true that the US is a settler state,
but there are a number of important differences.

We aren’t relying on a superpower, nor did we ever, to support lavishly
our settlement/conquest project, without which support we couldn’t exist.

The US is not constitutionally set up as a religious/ethnic supremacist state, 
where the native population can never hope to become full and equal citizens,
because they didn’t have a grandmother who was of the Chosen ethnicity, and
because our clerics tell us that they lack our divine souls, but instead have
inferior, animal souls, as do all un-Chosen people, include the vast majority of
citizens of the superpower that pays our bills (thanks for the cash but please
wash it first, you unclean shegetz untermenschen).

We don’t have domestically twenty percent of our population consisting of these
native people, who live as quasi-illegitimate citizens, officially deemed by the
government as demographically undesirable ethnic inferiors.

We aren’t holding additional zillions as miserable helots in a penumbra of
occupied territories into which we are injecting large numbers of savagely racist
religious fanatics as settlers.

We are not expecting some foreign superpower to adopt all our enemies as its
own, and spend zillions on wars to invade and occupy countries that are
inconvenient to our expansionist goals, and send thousands of its soldiers (whom
we consider ethnically inferior to ourselves, just like the native population that we
are gradually murdering and starving) to their deaths on the alter of our
megalomaniacal ambitions.

And we don’t tell those who refuse to endorse our religious/ethnic supremacist
project that they are bigots who simply hate people of our ethnicity and want us
all dead.

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By EM!!, June 10, 2010 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment
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SOOO right! The media had lost it!!! I liked your
post. I liked John Stewart’s take on the matter. I
also liked this guy’s commentary, funny as hell but
also smart and witty:

http://www.entertainmedaily.com/2010/06/helen-thomas-
deserves-a-punch-in-the-face-but-rabbi-david-
nesenoff-should-be-kicked-in-the-balls/

I mean, relax people!

What do you guys think?

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By Cole..., June 10, 2010 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

There are an abundance of Antisemites in the corporate media—-funny you do not choose to notice

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By abdo, June 10, 2010 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment

jean Gerard, June 9 at 9:35 pm #
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Way back in the beginning of this stream of comments, somebody opined that
they “didn’t understand” why “people don’t hold Israel responsible for the awful
things they do.”

Jean
I always wondered if the Israeli official remind their American hosts” give us a break you are settlers too and you too cleansed wink wink

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

Re:By Robert, June 10 at 11:35 pm:

God, Obama just gets worse and worse in his groveling to Israel. He didn’t even
respond to the ADA’s invitation? What will Israel require next for its
“security”? Mass expulsion of all Arabs and Muslims from the US?

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By Robert, June 10, 2010 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

June 10, 2010

No Regrets

Obama, the ADC and the Gaza Flotilla


By JENNIFER LOEWENSTEIN

Imagine the media coverage that would have awaited us in our local and national newspapers, our radio, facebook, twitter and television news alerts and special bulletins had Iran or another ‘enemy’ nation killed –and in some cases executed – 9 or more Israeli or American Jewish peace activists aboard a Turkish vessel (and therefore a NATO partner). What if that vessel were leading a convoy of 700 unarmed activists aboard ships filled with humanitarian aid to a million and a half Jewish political prisoners held hostage by that nation on spurious and sinister claims of ‘national security’?

Imagine, in the wake of these events, President Obama not even bothering to respond to an invitation to deliver the keynote address at AIPAC, the US’ most influential pro-Israel lobby, as Jews and their supporters from across the United States traveled to Washington DC for AIPAC’s most important annual event –  one that coincided with the 30th anniversary of its founding? The political fallout from such an offense would have created a storm of controversy.

Of course, none of this happened because the event at hand involved the murder of 9 Turkish-Muslim activists (one an American citizen) aboard a convoy of ships on behalf of the Gaza Freedom Movement, a movement organized and participated in by citizens from around the world, including Israel, fed up with the craven, gutless responses of their governments to more than half a century of dispossession, expulsion, theft, abuse and killing of Arabs and Muslims from, or supporting, Palestine. Faced with the imminent ‘threat’ of having to cease its illegal siege and blockade of Gaza –and perhaps from there begin dismantling its occupation by letting the aid ships in – Israel seized the occasion to halt the flotilla in international waters and storm the ship with the maximum amount of force at its disposal. Taking these already violent and illegal actions to levels of absurdity bordering on madness, Israel then made the cynical and preposterous claims that it had been forced to use ‘self-defense’ against al-Qaeda-allied terrorists on the high seas. By then even some of Israel’s most egregious defenders had begun to voice some complaints.

At this year’s Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) gala dinner on Saturday night, June 5th 2010, long-time Lebanese-American activist (on behalf of the American people) and former presidential contender Ralph Nader gave the keynote speech to some 350-400 people. Halfway through his speech, Nader noted that President Obama had been the original choice of the ADC as the keynote speaker. When I asked Dr. Safa Rifka, Chairman of the ADC’s Board of Directors, if he would verify that President Obama had been invited to address the audience that evening, Rifka responded in undisguised contempt, “Absolutely; and you can mention my name as well.” He said he himself had sent the invitation and that the Whoite House hadn’t even bothered to reply.

Fortunately, there were no killings aboard the MV Rachel Corrie, a boat named after the twenty-three year old American activist crushed to death by an armored D-9 Caterpillar Bulldozer on March 16th 2003 as she attempted to prevent it from demolishing another Palestinian home. (More than 17,000 people from Rafah, Gaza had been made refugees twice and thrice over as a result of Israel’s policy of demolishing homes along the Philadelphi Corridor near the Egyptian border). Corrie wore a blaze orange vest and carried an orange bullhorn when the driver of the bulldozer trapped her under a mound of dirt and drove over her body twice, breaking her back shortly before she died.

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http://www.counterpunch.org/loewenstein06102010.html

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By Robert, June 10, 2010 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

Israeli Request for More Arms from US Raises Fears of Regional Violence

By Catrina Stewart in Jerusalem

“June 10, 2010 “The Independent” - -Israel has approached the United States for more bombs and asked Washington to increase an emergency arms cache stowed on Israeli soil by 50 per cent, according to the leading newspaper Ha’aretz.

The approach, made by Defence Minister Ehud Barak during a recent visit to Washington, reflects the heightened tensions in recent months between the Jewish state and its neighbours that have given rise to widespread fears within Israel of an imminent regional conflict.

News of the request emerged as members of the international community stepped up the pressure yesterday for a thorough and impartial probe of last week’s Israeli raid of a Turkish vessel bound for Gaza with humanitarian aid that ended in a bloodbath.

The Russian Prime Minister, Vladimir Putin, who was attending a regional security summit in Turkey, added to the criticism of Israel and said he would raise the question of who would conduct an inquiry with the United Nations.

Israel has agreed to carry out an investigation, which could be overseen by two international observers, but would be limited to a theoretical debate of the merits of the raid and the blockade. The commandos who led the raid would not be questioned.

Israel has defended its land and sea blockade of Gaza, arguing that it prevents the flow of weapons to Hamas, the Islamist group that governs the strip. Critics say it constitutes collective punishment that has led to a humanitarian crisis.

Fearing that its enemies are rearming along its borders, Jerusalem has asked Washington to increase the emergency stores by $400m (£278m) to $1.2bn and is also seeking to buy more Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) bombs from the US, the liberal newspaper Ha’aretz reported, citing unnamed sources.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25673.htm

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By Night-Gaunt, June 10, 2010 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

Brewerstroupe, you failed to prove your point that HAMAS had been falsely maligned. Show us where it isn’t a terrorist state like Israel. The UN found that both HAMAS and the Israeli gov’t have acted in a terrorist fashion and makes their gov’ts officials war criminals.

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By jean Gerard, June 10, 2010 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment
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Isn’t it quite a stretch to think that “one must support the right of Jews to live
securely in the nation of Israel, the place they claim as their historical
homeland” because the Holocaust was committed by European Christians?

Truth, more like, is that European Christians (and American Christians as well)
were at pains to “create” a Jewish homeland “somewhere else”, in order to
dispose of their responsibility without having to take in tens of thousands of
Jews themselves.  It was a “deal” hinged in part on promises made to the Arabs
which were, I seem to remember, broken later because, for one reason, the
Arab lands were not exactly “theirs” to designate in the first place, but land
taken from the Arabs in a previous war.  (I seem to remember something like
this from a previous book called “The Seven Pillars of Wisdom” written by some
Brit who was there at the time—more or less.

(Of course, being six years older than Helen Thomas, I should probably retire
from this learned site and go back to Germany where I belong.)

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By brewerstroupe, June 10, 2010 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

The statement “Hamas is a terrorist organization” which is heard everyday from Israeli Politicians and Hasbaratchiks is a greater slander than anything Helen Thomas said yet it passes without comment.
Here are just a few of those slandered as “terrorists”:

Aziz Dwaik, professor of urban geography, PhD in Regional and Architecture Planning from the University of Pennsylvania.
Ismail Haniyeh, B.A. (Arabic Literature)
Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, physician, studied pediatric medicine and genetics at Egypt’s Alexandria University, graduating first in his class. (Assassinated by the Israeli Army after they fired hellfire missiles at his car)
Khaled Mashal, Bachelor of Science degree in Physics. (Survived assassination attempt by Mossad ordered by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu)
Basim Naim, Physician.
Mahmoud al-Zahar, Surgeon.
Jamila Shanti, Ph.D (English)
Mousa Abu Marzook, Ph.D. in industrial engineering (United States)

Consider the words of Rabbi Ovadia Josef (leader of Shas, the third largest political party in Israel):
“It is forbidden to be merciful to them [Arabs]. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable,”

The double standard is breathtaking.

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By garth, June 10, 2010 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

Although it was attributed to Honest Abe, I heard recently that he never said anything about people getting the face they deserve at a certain age.
That aside, I think physical beauty is only skin deep and that a lot of middle eastern women bear the same qualities.
Helen Thomas is a beautiful woman. 

I can recognize what I consider a beautiful person, though nowadays, it rarely turns my head.  Helen Thomas would.
I think you people are confusing normative arguments with aesthetic arguments.

If you were born with a face that looked like someone’s ass then you’d surely say something like defecating on a keyboard.  But then again, that’s if you are so vain.

Lighten up.

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By PatrickHenry, June 10, 2010 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

It certainly hasn’t hurt any careers in the media to kiss Israels ass and espouse hasbara for facts.

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By LordMelbury, June 10, 2010 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

I would like to express support for Helen Thomas. This person dared to speak the truth and has, apparently at any rate, been roundly condemned for it.

I know it is tough to stand up to the Zionist lobby in the USA, but remember one thing: were the USA to force Israel to remove all illegal occupation and to allow free and unfettered movement of people, goods and capital in the region, then the ensuing new world order would bring the USA more friends, and therefore security, in the Middle East than it could ever have imagined.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 10, 2010 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

Well put and correct karimguy83.

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By truedigger3, June 10, 2010 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

garth,

SORRY! The following statement was directed to Astrology Horoscopes and NOT to you:

“Helen Thomas is 90 YEARS OLD!!
What do you expect someone who is 90 YEARS OLD to look like?!!”

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By truedigger3, June 10, 2010 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

Re: By Astrology Horoscopes, June 10 at 3:47 pm #

Helen Thomas is 90 YEARS OLD!!
What do you expect someone who is 90 YEARS OLD to look like?!!
Did Helwn Thomas hit you close to home? and why??

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By karimguy83, June 10, 2010 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

Garth,
when i used to live in the Middle East, i used to believe a lot of that stuff,such as the Protocols of the elders of Zion.I was never a full blown antisemite,but i had way to much prejiduce.It turned out to be just extra baggage.What makes the Israelis behave they do, is not some mythical and eternal jewish character, but the very fact that they are human. The moral line that seperates victims and victimizers is actually razor thin.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 10, 2010 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

Apologies will be accepted Garth because we can all make mistakes. We can all be wrong. I have in the past and you have now. Please do so now, don’t let your ego get you to do otherwise.

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

(Oops - My previous comment was addressed to Garth. I don’t think I made that
clear!)

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

Re:By karimguy83, June 10 at 6:16 pm:

We’re rooting for you here. This is an intervention. We want to believe you lapsed
because you have a hangover or something. Just apologize, because that was evil
and just stupid, what you said about Jewish women. You had a brain fart, just
admit it.

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By Eve Segal, June 10, 2010 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment
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Thanks for your defense of Helen Thomas, Bob. I’ve been following your reports on Israel for more than 20 years. They prepared me for my first and subsequent visits to Israel to see for myself how bad it was. My visits only confirmed what you were reporting. As a Jewish American of conscience, I deplore Israel’s obvious attempts at ethnic cleansing if not genocide of the Palestinians. I have predicted to my Israeli friends that within 100 years Jewish Israelis who identify with the West will return to the West, leaving only the Arabs and Jews from Arab countries (who call themselves Arab Jews) who are perfectly comfortable living in an Arab culture. Like you, I support the right of anyone to immigrate anywhere they wish , but not at the expense of the indigenous population. Helen Thomas should have bit her tongue, but I don’t know that she was absolutely wrong.

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By karimguy83, June 10, 2010 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

Sorry.

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By karimguy83, June 10, 2010 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

I noticed exactly the opposite of what Garth said.I noticed that many elderly Jewish women and also men are sharp minded,elegant,sophisticated and lively.Take Heydi Epstein for example,risking her life for the people of Gaza.Garth,just apologize.As i said, antisemitism should be left at the door.It serves noone.

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By karimguy83, June 10, 2010 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

I notice exactly the opposite of what Garth said.I noticed that many elderly Jewish women and also men are sharp minded,elegant,sophisticated and lively.Take Heydi Epstein for example,risking her life for the people of Gaza.Garth,just apologize.As i said, antisemitism should be left at the door.It serves noone.

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By truedigger3, June 10, 2010 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

Re: By garth, June 10 at 4:01 pm #


garth,

Helen Thomas is 90 YEARS OLD!!
What do you expect someone who is 90 YEARS OLD to look like?!!
You are providing zionists and zionism with ammunition with your vile offensive rant and are distracting and diverting attention from the real issues at hand.

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

Re:By Night-Gaunt, June 10 at 6:08 pm:

Like I said, he might as well have just pooped on the keyboard.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 10, 2010 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

Jewish women lose their allure starting from the inside, their ideas, thoughts and beliefs.  By old age they get the visage they deserve.

However that is hateful and biased if not stupid and superstitious. No basis in fact for all Jewish women are they? Every one of them will be that way no matter their life story or place of birth or where they travel? That is racist and only for schmucks. Do you understand what you have done? I don’t think so. I think you are just being truthful even if it is all bullshit to the real world to the Nth degree. But that is just me.

Maybe you should review before you submit.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 10, 2010 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

garth, sometimes you will be misunderstood and you will have to be gracious and explain it.

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By karimguy83, June 10, 2010 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment

Ill take Bar Rafaeli over Helen Thomas any day!Honestly.

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

re:By garth, June 10 at 5:44 pm:

So, Garth, your bizarre assertions about the supposed inherent ugliness of Jewish
women were OK, because you were countering another person’s vile comments
about Helen Thomas’s supposed ugliness?  Do you realize you’re making no
sense? Snap out of it! Go pet the dog or something, maybe that’s all you need.

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By garth, June 10, 2010 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

I was responding to the following remarks:

By Astrology Horoscopes, June 10 at 3:47 pm #

“The truth is she was simply “hard-to-look-at” and
will not be missed. If good looking women have a
difficult time being taken seriously, Helen Thomas
was at the other extreme. Most of the time, we only
heard half of what she was saying, as we
subconsciously grimaced at that face.

Sorry Helen, I’m sure you’re somebody’s Grandma.”


The impicatiojn of my remarks were: Degustibus no es disputandum. 


You need to be able to read and you need to read what has been said to keep up.  Or are you only one way.

A wonderful thing came about many years ago. It is called a mirror.  There must not be any in your houses.

Schmucks

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By karimguy83, June 10, 2010 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

Just to demonstrate how politically charged this kind of research is,Spanish geneticist Antonio Arnaiz-Villena was fired and his colleagues forced to rip out papers from their research,just because it showed that Palestinians and Middle Eastern Jews are genetically almost identical and that Palestinians are genetically a typical Mediterranean population.

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By karimguy83, June 10, 2010 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

To inherit the wind,
Shlomo Sand has already adressed the DNA research in his book and has dismissed it as far to tainted by politics, because science which tries to prove racial mythology is not science at all.What i find interesting in this article,maybe some people have noticed ,is that suddenly the percentage of European ancestry in Jews has gone from a few percent some years back, to thirty percent.That is why Shlomo Sand dismisses this kind of research. Not withstanding the fact that many European Jews probably have some Middle Eastern ancestry, this kind of research,trying to prove a universal jewish kinship,is junk. Just take a look at the big deal that was made about the supposed Cohen gene.It turned out to be scientific nonsense.

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By LJL, June 10, 2010 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

Thomas’ remarks are no more insensitive than the standard radical Zionist argument that the Palestinians are (ethnic?) Arabs who would be more at home in an Arab country.  Moreover, Zionists argue that the Arabs reject their Palestinian Arab kinsmen and this is why Israeli Jews have been unfairly saddled with Palestinian Problem.  You don’t have to be too bright to recognize the Zionist propaganda about the Palestinians is a crude flip of the standard myth of the Jewish experience during the diaspora. 

Palestinians are Arab by culture alone. Just as most Jews (especially those from Eastern Europe) are culturally Jewish but not generally tied genetically to the Hebrews of the Bible.  And when Jews (generally Sephardic) find DNA roots in the old Biblical lands, they are found to be identical to the Palestinians whose DNA is traceable to old Canaan and Palestine territory.

Nonetheless, genetics never proved possession of land and less do fanciful myths of gods with their real estate prophecies guarantee possession of land. 

Thomas has been caught up in the Middle East insanity where emotions run red hot because too many people think about the problem as something to do with blood and fairy tales.  He statement was no worse than what the other side says all the time without raising an eyebrow.  The only difference is that her remark had more truth to it, even though it is nowhere near an answer to the Middle East mess.

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

re:By Inherit The Wind, June 10 at 5:06 pm:

Yeah, that was truly vile and hateful. I mean, it had all the spiciest notes of
putridity—racism, sexism, sulfurous bile. I mean, did he just sh*t on the
keyboard, while he was at it? I think maybe Garth needs to go get some fresh air.

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By truedigger3, June 10, 2010 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

By Ed Harges, June 9 at 3:24 pm #

Ed Harges,

Ofersince72 is right and you are wrong!.
Without oil discovery in the Middle East, there would have been NO Israel, regardless of Holocaust or no Holocaust.
Any other reasons and execuses given are nothing but a smoke screen and bullshitting.

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Ed Harges, June 10 at 4:42 pm #

Re: By karimguy83, June 10 at 4:31 pm:

I agree. The post By garth, June 10 at 4:01 pm, speaks very ill of Garth. Of what
possible relevance to this discussion is his weird little racial beauty classification
system? He is not helpful to the cause of peace and justice for Palestinians, Jews,
and all people.

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EH, I whole-heartedly agree.  Who Give A Shit what Helen Thomas looks like?  I may be a Jew and I may be offended and disappointed by her remarks but her career has been an amazing and outstanding one, repeatedly dissed and repeatedly coming back with the tough, hard, insightful questions.  Her appearance is totally irrelevant—her performance is all that matters.  You want beauty queens picked for their blond hair and big bustlines?  Watch Fox then!

I hope I never have to hear what Garth has to say about Kagan or Sotamayor!

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Re: By karimguy83, June 10 at 4:31 pm:

I agree. The post By garth, June 10 at 4:01 pm, speaks very ill of Garth. Of what
possible relevance to this discussion is his weird little racial beauty classification
system? He is not helpful to the cause of peace and justice for Palestinians, Jews,
and all people.

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By karimguy83, June 10, 2010 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment

garth,
dont be an antisemitic cunt.Thats the last thing we need.

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By garth, June 10, 2010 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment

Even more basic than that.  Helen was a popular journalist who had access to the media, albeit in this case it was delivered by a rabbi, who said something disparagingly truthful about Israel.

Show mw a Jewish woman half her age without a facelift who is half as beautiful as Helen.

Jewish women compared to any other group of women are like Chinese women compared to Japanese women.  Japanese woman maintain their beauty, Chinese women do not.

Jewish women lose ther allure starting from the inside, their ideas, thoughts and beliefs.  By old age they get the visage they deserve.

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

Obama, writes a check, on money we ain’t got
and tells the Palistinians, here, now go back to
your getto.  Problem solved.

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By moonraven, June 10, 2010 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

Israel OUT of Palestine!

USA OUT of North America!

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By REDHORSE, June 10, 2010 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

IT IS about the oil ‘cause thats where the $$$$$ and powers at. Israel is our strategic “#@ck you” ops base in the ME. The thugs in D.C. couldn’t care less about the future of the American people, how noble can their concern for Israel be? (There are a lot of hogs sucking slop off that aid money.) Israel deserves support. It doesn’t deserve nuclear weapons and a pass on genocide. Gee, wake up and smell the cluster bombs. We all like to think we have a dog in the fight but we’re not even in the game. See any real concern in D.C for our returning vets? Get off it! Israel isn’t America, America isn’t Israel.

      Like Dan Rather, Helen Thomas is an object lesson and an exercise in thought control. It’s not something else. Our corporate press has seized control of dialogue around all issues of real concern in America (pick one), then created spokespeople for an imaginary “poor special me” realm of victimhood for maximum kneejerk indignation and rage (think Orwells minute of hate).In the momentary madness of this rage each numbed out damaged confused American thinks they are alive.This ensures control of the politic and each “special”  little frog fails to see he/she is being cooked at a slow boil in the same pot with all the other “special” little frogs. It’s all Madison Avenue and spin. Journalism has nothing to do with it. (If you’re not politically correct—who knows, you might be a terrorist.)

      The BP spill has pulled the mask off the greedy #@cks. It has wiped the Gulf our for at least our lifetimes. The magnitude of the event has almost united us in a common reality, people are waking up. It’s their job to put us back to sleep. Helen Thomas wasn’t a sleeper. Keep #itchin’!! I don’t always agree with what you say “—but I’ll fight to the death for your right to say it—”.

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By Roger Lafontaine, June 10, 2010 at 11:22 am Link to this comment
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This reminds me of a comment a Jewish friend of mine made a few years ago. It was right after the massacre in Jenin and I had written a scathing letter to the editor denouncing Israel. A few days later a local rabbi wrote to the editor calling me a ‘classic anti-semite’. I was devastated since that label brings up so many negative connotations personally and in our collective consciousness (due, I suppose to the 10,000 WWII movies we’ve all been exposed to). My friend asked me why I was so downcast. After I explained he said “Don’t worry, everybody is an anti-semite nowadays, even Jews.” “What do you mean?” I asked. “The bar has been set so high that no one can reach it.”

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

re:By Amusedly, June 10 at 2:14 pm:

“Amusedly” makes the same old whinging complaints, just exactly as though
they hadn’t been decisively refuted over and over again. The willful
incomprehension of pro-Israel fanatics is like a wound that refuses to heal.

Americans have every right to get more upset about this than they are about
violence by Palestinians. America’s government very heavily takes one side in
the matter. That means that crimes by that side get labeled “made in America”.
Also, fundamentally, Palestinians are in the right in Palestine, because they are
the ones who were displaced by ethnic supremacist land-grabs, first in 1948
and again in 1967.

Also, this flotilla attack was deliberate violence against unarmed people
including several American citizens, one of whom was murdered, in a frenzy of
overkill including 4 bullets to the head and one to the chest.

It’s not true that all Israelis want is peace. The surrounding countries have all
officially signed on to an agreement to recognize Israel if Israel will agree more
or less to stay inside the 1967 border, which is still the internationally
recognized border. Israel won’t even agree to negotiate on that proposal as a
starting point. And we have it in writing from many past and present leaders of
Israel and the Zionist movement that their plans for Israel are and have always
been aggressively expansionist, not peaceable in the least.

Moreover, the blockade Israel imposes on Gaza is not some benign attempt to
make sure that only truly dangerous things like weapons don’t get through. The
blockade forbids many things that are totally innocuous, like various medicines
and types of food, and clothing, and is designed not for security reasons but as
a weapon of economic warfare and sadistic mass punishment—fin act, slow-
motion murder—of the imprisoned population.

These points along are enough to answer your tantrum, and many more could
be made besides. But of course, you won’t retain them, because your head has a
hole in it where your sense of justice ought to be.

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By garth, June 10, 2010 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

Truthdig,

Where is the blog by Noam Chomsky?

I agreed with one of the posters that Chomsky sold out truth about 9/11 for the protection of “his people.”

I watched the Commission hearings.  Someone brought up the fact that 300 Israelis were called on the morning of 9/11 and told not to report to work that day.  The claim was not answered.  It was left to die in the wind.

Get this,  a few years later Howard Zinn, a noted historian said when asked about 9/11 that he didn’t know that much about it.  What?  Howard the Historian.  The voice of the people.  Not even a smidgeon of curiosity could spur him on to investigate.

Chomsky spent a lot of time in Israel, so his resistance to revealing what really happened is understood.  He did say that there should be another investigation, but it will not uncover much. 

Does Noam know something?

Finally, Any Goodman had a show with Popular Mechanics and the three young men who created the Loose Change.  One of the members of the Loose Change team was very excitable, so the Popular Mechanics suave went after him. 
Finally, the Loose Change kid flew of the handle and started blaming the CIA, FBI, etc.

That was lights out for the Loose Change Guys.


9/11 Truthers are gaining still, though.  Hitchens said recently he rejected a book blurb by Gore Vidal because Gore’s stand on 9/11 was “untakeable.”

If Israel was involved, why not discover it.  If 9/11 was self-inflicted with Mossad help, why not let everyone know. 

It will be better for free market capitalism and freedom, won’t it?

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By Cole..., June 10, 2010 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

It is not Helen’s “right to free speach” which is in question. She does have that and it is not necessary for ‘right wingers’ to have a fit. She has a right to make bigoted and stupid comments!

And those who object to her bigot and stupid comments have a right to state it.

And her employer has a right to accept her resignation.

And the bigots of this thread havc a right to be bigots, that right has been amply exercised by their larger number of contributors.

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By Nobody, June 10, 2010 at 10:31 am Link to this comment
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We’re reading about stupid remarks by an irrelevant 90 year old
while Palestinians in Gaza die from no food, no water, no pharma,
certainly no housing worth shit.

The Israelis are treating the Palestinians like animals, inflicting
unimaginable violence upon them, but WE in fact are the real
animals - we just sit back and let it happen, and we’ve been doing
this for years.

This isn’t about Israelis and Palestinians, it’s about us, what we are
prepared to overlook, to tolerate, to ignore. It’s about how WE who
are in a position of power, who can actually do something about
this, choose not to.

What happened to the stories about the Israeli bombing of a “safe
haven” UN compound, what happened to stories about the use of
white phosphorous?

White phosphorous sticks to you, you cannot get it off, so bits of
you incinerate slowly as you watch, and then you die. For those in
Gaza, there is no medicine, no pharmaceuticals, and certainly no
water worth drinking. This means you die in great pain, and you
die thirsty, while your relatives watch, as the minutes that feel like
hours tick by.

Evidently, a bunch of stupid comments by an irrelevant 90 year old
are far more important than the suffering that continues right
now, as we speak.

The US media are a bunch of fatuous farts, an embarrassment to
themselves and to us all.

I am deeply embarrassed, most of the time now, to be from the
West.

By the way, since when does Iran’s right to have a medical isotope
to treat its cancer sufferers with radiation therapy interfere with
Israel’s unspoken and unjustifiable “right” to direct as many as 400
nuclear warheads at them?

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By guntotinsquaw, June 10, 2010 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

I am truly appalled that the rightwing extremists (like myself) are not throwing a fit!!! Reguardless of agree or disagree with her opinion, it’s just that—her OPINION!!!! She has a right to it, she has a right to express it, by flag, by sign, by peaceful assembly, by blow horn, or the biggest billboard she can find- she has a RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH!! She should not loose her job because of her personal beliefs. We either take the beloved constitution as it is written or toss it completely out. I still wonder if I have a country left, are we still the United States or in our blind laziness have we lost what makes this country great?

ONE IF BY LAND

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By Amusedly, June 10, 2010 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Where is the outrage when Palestinan terrorists kill innocent Israelis? Where is the outrage when a Palestinian rocket kills Jewish schoolchildren? Only when the Israelis retaliate do we read about the terrible violence and the Palestinians getting killed. The world is anti-Semetic.

The Israelis want nothing more than to live in peace. And the truth of the matter is that they’ve treated the Palestinians better than any of the arab countries.

As for Helen Thomas, she is simply too old. She should have retired a long time ago, but I guess that’s what happens when you’re one of those kinds of people who have nothing in your lives except for your work, and your prejudice.

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

re:By Kalpal, June 10 at 11:48 am:

Another post from Kalpal consisting of
—to quote the immortal Lionel Trilling—
“a set of irritable mental gestures
which seek to resemble ideas.”

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

Gosh Baby Boomers,(that make of the majority of posters
on Truth Dig) world hasn’t changed much, except for the
worse, since we took the helm, has it?

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By SugarBear, June 10, 2010 at 8:06 am Link to this comment
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... what remains as the greatest moral stain on the history of people claiming to be civilized ... History suggests we also look at Belguim’s King Leopold II who, in the name of schools, roads, and religion, murdered 10! million Africans ...

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By Kalpal, June 10, 2010 at 7:48 am Link to this comment
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Once again Ed Harges proves that he does not comprehend very well written American English.

“Indeed, Karim, the kalpal seems always on the verge of actually substantiating his
claim of vastly superior wisdom”

I never claimed vastly superior wisdom. I asserted your ignornace and arrogance. You seem incapable of proving me wrong and are working very hard to prve me right. I wish to thank you for working so hard at proving me right. It is very much gratifying that you inadvertantly agree with me about how ignorant you are.

Keep it up. Someday your intellect may match that of our past president and Harvard grad by dint of being related to a member of the board. 

Does anyone else notice that you are incapable of responding to what I write and can only talk about what you imagine I might be saying if I were as ignorant as you clearly show yourself to be.

I no longer remember why this silly thread began. I suspect it began when I pointed out that Israel is precisely the entity its neighbors worked so hard to threaten it into being. I think your ignorance of the area and its history made you argue facts not in existence. So be it. Enjoy yopur life of willful ignorance and maybe we shall meet again someday. I will no longer bother with this thread. Byeeeeeee

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By Inherit The Wind, June 10, 2010 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

c. hanna, June 10 at 3:40 am #

“For that reason, one must support the right of Jews to live securely in the nation of Israel, the place they claim as their historical homeland.”

It is not the ancestral lands of the European and American Jews. Please read the book by the Jewish Historian from Israel, Schlomo Zand, called the Invention of the Jewish People. This is the main cause of confusion.

The Settlers are on land that does not belong to them. Israel, just by the fact they call themselves a “Jewish Nation”, is not a democracy. A democracy does not create walls and apartheid. I disagree with the violence that has been against Israelis, but violence will always result when one group marginalizes another. Israel terror began early with the bombing of the King David Hotel.

The natural gas that is off the coast of the Gaza Concentration Camp (that is what it is) has been taken over by Israel. The land surrounding Gaza was, by 1967 agreements, the Palestinians. They said they would recognize Israel if they would go back to these legal borders.

It is with sadness that I find these articles written on behalf of Israeli war criminals. Everyone keeping track of this situation knows that the US Media has been most unfair.

Helen was speaking of the illegal settlements. Most of these people come from all over the world. And Poland and Germany are now very favorable places for Jews to return to. In fact more Jews are going back to Germany than Israel.

Many of the Illegal settlers are from the United States.

She did nothing wrong, but was humiliated by the entire corporate media that is 100% Israel friendly. It is total bias.

The Palestinians just want to live in their ancestral lands in peace and those in exile would like to return.

If Jews in Israel want to base claims to the land as theirs then they should all be willing to take DNA tests to prove their lineage.
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Well, that’s just blown up in your face. I’ll bet you said it thinking ‘it will never happen.’

Surprise!

What are all the bigots who claim there is no Jewish people going to say now?  Notice that Iranian Jews separated from the main body about 500 BCE.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/science/10jews.html?hpw

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

re:By Leefeller, June 10 at 10:22 am:

Hey Lee, sorry for failing to read your post June 10 at 5:48 am more carefully. I
failed to read past the first line and totally missed the ironic intent.

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By Leefeller, June 10, 2010 at 6:22 am Link to this comment

The important thing is Israel is a true Democracy like the United States so it is nice to see real Democracy at work and not working just like here in the United States. I imagine all citizens of Israel are Jewish, like all citizens here in the USA are Republicans and Christians.

Spreading Democracy is hard work, but someone has to do it, spreading Democracy via Israel has worked in Iraq and Afghanistan and next stop Iran. Well, people get to vote in Iran, but it does not qualify as the acceptable USA kind of Democracy in the American sense!

Wonder why we did not bother to spread Democracy in Saudi Arabia?

All this is so confusing, I am glad we have such smart leaders in charge to make all these great decider decisions all I have to do is find a job so I can pay taxes, pay my medical bills and pay taxes to keep our great leaders running things like a Swiss Watch.

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By CJ, June 10, 2010 at 6:05 am Link to this comment

Hear, hear, Scheer.

And as some ex-senator pointed out, another fine example of how the story becomes about something else, or rather someone else. This time from yet another story of murder on the part of gangsters in charge of Israel to Helen Thomas making an inappropriate remark. She got the fist part right: When she noted that the Israelis ought get the hell outta Palestine.

And off the high seas, one might add. (Somalis have a better excuse for piracy.) Israel is a theocracy that has become the most dangerous state in the world, far more so than, say, North Korea. Certainly, Israel is operated by persons no less irrational than Kim Il Jong, while Iran seems to me docile in comparison. (As was noted by someone recently, Iran hasn’t attacked anyplace in a couple hundred years.)

Here, however, where irrational, intensely parochial (or nationalist) expediency reins almost as supreme as in aforementioned pariah states, Israel is pitied by sentimentalists and otherwise regarded (expeditiously, no doubt) by officials as obedient satellite whose actions are tolerated for that. North Korea is declared a pariah or just plain evil state and Iran officially declared to be on the verge of world domination. If there ever were an evil axis it runs from Israel to North Korea, but the very idea is absurd, the sort of thinking in which the State Department really does engage or else merely political chit-chat for public consumption. Far more likely is the latter. Career people at the State Department aren’t so dense as their political leaders who in that very dimwittedness probably unintentionally depict careerists as being.

But back to fatuous media, which having forgotten already Israel’s latest brutality (along with our own against Afghanis daily) moved on to GOTCHA, HELEN! While rightwing loons, the deceptive Ari Fleischer, and sorta-kinda leftish ones too, the insufferable Lanny Davis, utter more offensive drivel daily while getting paid to do so by CNN and Fox, and sometimes MSNBC too. Others have been only slightly less sanctimonious and/or patronizing toward Thomas, ranging from Howard Kurtz last weekend to one of CNN’s girls in the form of Jessica Yellin the other day.

Most offensive in real life (aside from murder committed with utter impunity, sometimes on a mass scale) is the brute fact that not only the three just mentioned but also most others among America’s meritocratically pretentious class, including almost all pols and the vast majority of overpaid newsreaders and writers, continue to offend all of conscience by their servile take on the world’s most threatening and just downright vicious states, the latter indeed along with North Korea and one or two other garden spots. Most particularly if you happen to be a Palestinian stuck in your own occupied territory and under blockade if also resident in Gaza. Blockades as illegal as piracy and murder, including murders carried out by cowards carrying false passports and committing said crime in hotels in places like Dubai.

But let’s get back to what Helen Thomas said… Let’s not, maybe try to stick to what the hell matters.

Thanks to Helen for all her great work over decades. None of these sniping pipsqueaks will ever be her equal.

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

Ofer, every single time you mean to write “Israel”
you write “Isreal”. It’s obviously not a typo.

Have you never noticed that it’s spelled
“Israel”? You seem to have more than one
blind spot, when it comes to this subject.

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By Ed Harges, June 10, 2010 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

re:By Leefeller, June 10 at 5:48 am:

Lee writes, astoundingly:

“So if Israel calls itself a Jewish Nation and the United States likes to call itself a
Christian Nation, where does that leave people who are not Jewish or Christian to
go and live?”

I can’t believe you’re expecting us to buy this ridiculously sloppy parallel. The
United States is not a “Christian nation” in the constitutional, legal sense in which
Israel is a “Jewish Nation”.

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By PatrickHenry, June 10, 2010 at 3:15 am Link to this comment

johnsalmond, lets not forget about the judenrat and kapos who helped herd them into the camps in the 1st place.

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By awahl, June 10, 2010 at 3:11 am Link to this comment

“if the US had persuaded Israel to engage with its Arab neighbors,create a multi-cultural, multi-religious state, and
shown tolerance for true democracy in the region”  But what about Israel’s neighbors?  Do they support “multicultural,multi-religious state"s or tolerance for true democracy?”  I think not.  You all have ignored my mentioning a core nitty-gritty truth about this region:  the Muslims mostly do not use birth control.  There are MANY more Muslims in the Mid East now than were there at the time of the creation of Israel.  If they had remained in Israel, they would now be able to outvote the Jews.  THAT is a major conundrum that the Jews faced.  It is also fact that before Israel was created politically, many Jews had purchased land there and had established their presence before inviting displaced Jews to come also.  BTW, I am not Jewish.  BTW, the Israel problem is simply not simple at all.

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 3:03 am Link to this comment

America can turn their back on a million dead Iraqi,
and get indignant as hell at Isreal.
Makes the “feel real good” about themselves.

Then act like Bush and Obama had no preknowledge
of the Gaza bombardment less than two ago. Get mad at
Isreal, you and I paid for the bombs,!~!~!~!~!~!~

Does that not make us as responsible as the Isreali
citizens ????

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By johnsalmond, June 10, 2010 at 2:54 am Link to this comment

“It was not Palestinians or Muslim fundamentalists who ran the crematoriums, but
rather highly educated and mostly Christian Europeans.
For that reason, one must support the right of Jews to live securely in the nation of
Israel, the place they claim as their historical homeland.”
non sequitur.

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 2:53 am Link to this comment

Because it is much easier to point our fingers at the
Isreali government than back to ourselves.
Americans always looking for someone else to blame.
It is us and our addiction to oil and blackberry phones.

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 2:48 am Link to this comment

American liberals are just as guilty as the Isreali
government. They refuse to tie all the ends together
like our huge, huge, debt, our own resourse wars, our
trade deficit, and many other vices, spoiled consummerism
, and just a great big total debt all over the nation,

all held together by the world’s largest military ,
keeping the pieces together for this lifestyle.

and these are just some of the reasons that Palistinians
are living in concentration camps. We don’t admit it.

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 2:38 am Link to this comment

We all want change, but we can’t define the change we
want.. We want the Palistinians free, yet refuse to admit
that Isreal was put there as a proxy state so we can live
the lifestyle we live today, and not even have to pay
for it.

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 2:34 am Link to this comment

If it is left up to America and Western Europe, there
never will be either a One State Solution or a
Two State Solution.
The Palistinians will fate unless Arab nations are able
to muscle western powers out of the Middle East, I sure
don’t see that happening either.

That is just why I laugh at all the concerned Amerians.
Like our way of life has nothing to do with those discarded to concentration camps or murdered to keep the
life style that everyone seems to enjoy so much,
That includes the elites like Chomsky, that will get on
an airplane at any whim he chooses, as do all liberals
who cry for civil liberties and justice and the ecology.

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 2:25 am Link to this comment

We can piss and moan, debate for forty more years,
get appalled but there is only one way to stop it….

That is strikes against big oil and consummerism, which
is another of the points that i tried to make, we all
are responsible no matter who we care to blame and no
one wants to change their way of life enough to give
a life to the Palistinians.

Iraq is a perfect example as I pointed out earlier,
Americans didn’t care other than rhetoric about the
million or so that were murdered there for oil.

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By ofersince72, June 10, 2010 at 2:18 am Link to this comment

That was a very good post, but my argument remains,
we also are not a democracy, but run by the investors,
and as long as there is easy access oil in the
Middle East, the citizens of the U.S., Isreal and of
Palistine will be victimized.

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By Leefeller, June 10, 2010 at 1:48 am Link to this comment

So if Israel calls itself a Jewish Nation and the United States likes to call itself a Christian Nation, where does that leave people who are not Jewish or Christian to go and live?

Maybe Atheists could move in with the Pope?

Now in my case, my ditty of choice is the Great Unyun and I was going to claim an island in the Gulf of Mexico and name it Unyunstine but now it seems BP owns the Gulf, so there goes the neighborhood!

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By Ouroborus, June 10, 2010 at 1:40 am Link to this comment

c. hanna, June 10 at 3:40 am

+1 Nice one. EOM

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By c.hanna, June 9, 2010 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

“For that reason, one must support the right of Jews to live securely in the nation of Israel, the place they claim as their historical homeland.”

It is not the ancestral lands of the European and American Jews. Please read the book by the Jewish Historian from Israel, Schlomo Zand, called the Invention of the Jewish People. This is the main cause of confusion.

The Settlers are on land that does not belong to them. Israel, just by the fact they call themselves a “Jewish Nation”, is not a democracy. A democracy does not create walls and apartheid. I disagree with the violence that has been against Israelis, but violence will always result when one group marginalizes another. Israel terror began early with the bombing of the King David Hotel.

The natural gas that is off the coast of the Gaza Concentration Camp (that is what it is) has been taken over by Israel. The land surrounding Gaza was, by 1967 agreements, the Palestinians. They said they would recognize Israel if they would go back to these legal borders.

It is with sadness that I find these articles written on behalf of Israeli war criminals. Everyone keeping track of this situation knows that the US Media has been most unfair.

Helen was speaking of the illegal settlements. Most of these people come from all over the world. And Poland and Germany are now very favorable places for Jews to return to. In fact more Jews are going back to Germany than Israel.

Many of the Illegal settlers are from the United States.

She did nothing wrong, but was humiliated by the entire corporate media that is 100% Israel friendly. It is total bias.

The Palestinians just want to live in their ancestral lands in peace and those in exile would like to return.

If Jews in Israel want to base claims to the land as theirs then they should all be willing to take DNA tests to prove their lineage.

Obama just gave Israel $200,000,000 for more weapons and things. They then pull this latest crime. Now, they are making deals and saying they will ease the blockade….and Obama is pledging $400,000,000 to help rebuild Gaza.

Do the math. This idiocy and criminality by Israel has just cost us 3/4 of a billion dollars.

And the same thing will all start over again. And America will keep giving money.

Israel is becoming too much a burden for America. Our President should be allocating that money to Americans…not Israel. Cut ‘em off….let them fight their own battles or LEAVE.

This entire Helen Thomas ordeal was used as a direct distraction from the heinous crimes committed by Israeli Commandos. We now have the footage of the killing of the American.

Watch it. The Israeli’s were not defending themselves. It was cold blooded murder.

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By babycatajesus, June 9, 2010 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment

Helen Thomas is a wonderful, wonderful human being. Her intelligence, wit and compassion speak volumes. We heard her speak in Australia on a recent interview with Andrew Denton and I must say that we found her clarity compelling; especially when she was asked about so called “the war on terror”. Her retort was…”What makes a terrorist, who are the real terrorists……”?

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By chuckchuck, June 9, 2010 at 10:57 pm Link to this comment

I don’t see what the big deal is. Yes, what she said was controversial but it doesn’t even come close to being one of the worst things a journalist/columnist has ever said or done and most of them are still have their careers and never apologized for what they said or wrote. Whether or not you agree with her, she had a right to her own opinion.

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By Cole..., June 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

memo back at’cha—“Memo to Cole: Had the founders of the nation state of Israel been “indigenous” to the ME we wouldn’t be having this discussion

Don’t know who the ‘founders’ you mention are, and don’t know if the term “indigenous” applies but the architectural structures found throughout the ME and in Israel were the constructs of Hebrews, i.e. Jews,from way back when. Documents such as the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by Hebrews and found in caves in what is now Iraq. biblical writings years before B.C.  Is that “indigenous” enough for you? So why are we having this discussion?

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By Story of O, June 9, 2010 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment
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> The few sentences uttered by her were,
> as she quickly acknowledged, wrong—
> deeply so, I would add.

Why? Moving of your own free will to Germany
or Poland, which are peaceful, civilized
countries as far as I know, is not a dangerous
proposition—although moving to America
would be, as it is filled with ignorant, violent
savages.

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By Susan, June 9, 2010 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment
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80% of population living on international aid and a million and a half people,
including a whole race of children in a prison for life.  The Israelis are barely
allowing the Palestinians stay alive and the propaganda is unreal with the
accusations of 40 countries being called al Quaeda, and the US who has less
money for their social programs, especially education is giving millions to Israel
and then they call our pas ambassadors al Quaeda and execute a on of our
citizens 4 times in the head.

I’m sure one of the most informed woman in the US knew of these facts.

Thank You Helen Thomas

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By Ed Harges, June 9, 2010 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

re:By Mariategui, June 9 at 11:47 pm:

Mariategui writes:

“The Helen Thomas fiasco sure did get the whole Israeli murders in
international waters off the front page, didn’t it!”

And that’s the most depressing thing of all about this extremely depressing
matter, isn’t it?

It almost makes the extremely depressing BP oil spill seem like a light subject, a
diversion.

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By Mariategui, June 9, 2010 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

This is the second time in my life that I have joined in an online thread to discuss an article. As with the first time, I realize I am mostly avoiding actual pending responsibilities. Is there anything more alienating than getting trapped in online comments? Sartre, even though a Zionist, had a brilliant analysis of it and referred to it as our serial being—he was right on the money. That being said, I will end my obsession with this site by pointing out what a few thoughtful posters have already noted. The Helen Thomas fiasco sure did get the whole Israeli murders in international waters off the front page, didn’t it!

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By Ed Harges, June 9, 2010 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment

re:By Apostolos, June 9 at 6:23 pm:
Apostolo writes:

“Germany has delivered the third
nuclear missile equipped submarine
to the Zionists.”

The poor Germans. They imagine that, in doing this, they are atoning for their sins
—whereas in fact they are compounding those same sins.

(Oh well, maybe they get some cosmic credit for their sincerity, however
misplaced.)

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By Ed Harges, June 9, 2010 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

re:By karimguy83, June 9 at 7:11 pm:

Indeed, Karim, the kalpal seems always on the verge of actually substantiating his
claim of vastly superior wisdom, but then, for whatever reason (the phone rings?
—he gets a sudden sharp pain in his knee?—he has to see a man about a
horse?), he never quite gets around to it, does he?

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By berniem, June 9, 2010 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

Just another example of common knowledge. AIPAC is another major stock holder in the corporate ownership of the US government and any politician or talking head that wants to continue in his or her lucrative position needs to condem immediately and in the strongest terms anyone or actions which are even remotely critical of Israel. It just may be that in spite of all the BS emanating from the bible the prediction of Armageddon occurring in the “holy” just might be on target. Sooner or later a massive backlash against Israel will take place and like a black hole, suck everything into it’s evernt horizen.

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By Marriea, June 9, 2010 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you, Thank You, Thank you.  It was not the Palestinian who was responsible for the Holocaust, it was the Germans who Isreal share a warm relationship with.  Could it be that the Palestinians are so hated because the Jews did to them what we in this country did to the American Indians, Japanese Americans, and to the American Blacks. Why is it that the persons one threats badly then becomes the villians. Is it because one becomes afraid that they will do to you what you did to them.
The Jews along with the United Nations of the that time decided to take land from people who had inhabited that land for years/centuries and give it to the Jews. Like it or not it’s called stealing. Do the Jew ever read their own Torah.
We in this country often wonder why we and England in particular are targeted by ‘terrorist’. Well think about it, if someone came and took your family home and gave it someone else who has now become your landlord, how would you react. The Palestinian don’t have the option of going to a fair court. It doesn’t exist. And let’s face it, it’s an ugly truth, but in reality the Jews who came from Europe are nothing more than displaced Europeans. The were popped right in midst of what is Arab territory. No question they have done well for themselves, with the help of the U.S. and England. But as long as the present Isreli government continue to treat these people as second class citizens, there will never ever be peace. Isreal is the one with the bomb. The claim is Iran is trying to build one. To the Isralis powers that be, this ain’t the Old Testament anymore. If you truly want your state to survive, you really need to start talking to your enemies. And the U.S. and United Nations should not be a part of this talk until after an agreement in met. To the Muslim and Arab world, stop living like the book of Leviticus. I understand that different culture mores’ are at state, but there is nothing wrong with updating your way of life. Start by realizing that either we live in this world togather or we die in it period. I think that you as a people are much more progessive than that.

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By Fat Freddy, June 9, 2010 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

I agree with Ms Thomas, the Rutger’s women’s basketball team is a bunch of nappy headed hos.

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By jean Gerard, June 9, 2010 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment
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Way back in the beginning of this stream of comments, somebody opined that
they “didn’t understand” why “people don’t hold Israel responsible for the awful
things they do.”
  The answer is simple and evident:  “People” all live in places which have also
done “awful things” for which they have not been “held responsible” and almost
none of them have ever even admitted, let along apologized or compensated,
for their crimes against humanity.
  Whenever some smart people get together and try to formulate laws or
regulations to force admission, responsibility or compensation, nations
everywhere vote NO.  WHY?
Because nations are people, and most people are self-proud and mean-spirited
and refuse to confess 99 times out of 100.
  Hope lies in the minority like Chomsky, Helen Thomas and others, who make
it their consecrated business to try to know what is going on, understand
possibilities, and speak out and/or act to help change things for the better.
They hold themselves responsible to at least do that—and some of the great
ones do far more than that—and suffer for it.  Cheers for them!

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By prosefights, June 9, 2010 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

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Hello Dave,

Got your cell phone message on Monday.

Perhaps we should talk?

Mattioli, IMO, is very attractive and smart.

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On the Vilification of Helen Thomas

Posted on June 9, 2010
By Robert Scheer

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By James M. Martin, June 9, 2010 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment
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Cheers, Mr. Scheer.  I’ve been saying all this, albeit much less profoundly, for some time now.  If the problem were mine to solve, I would put Israel under an international authority, dividing Jerusalem into three sectors, one each for the major religions.  I’d also arrest Nothing Yahoo and charge him with war crimes.

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By Ralph Kramden, June 9, 2010 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment
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I almost forgot, congratulations on: “But not without consideration of the rights of their fellow Semites, the mostly non-Jewish Palestinians who happened to already be living there.” I thought I was living in a different world when “Semite” was kidnapped by Jews and “America” by the USA. It is all part of an imperialistic semantics. None but Jews are Semites:none but the USA is American. Right? And the world buys it. Amazing.

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By David Ehrenstein, June 9, 2010 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

Please click this link Mr. Scheer. I’d greatly appreciate hearing from you about it, of you’ve got the time.

http://fablog.ehrensteinland.com/2010/06/09/whats-the-matter-with-helen/

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By karimguy83, June 9, 2010 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

kalpal,
for someone who is so boastful, your posts content appear to be quite pitiful.

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By kalpal, June 9, 2010 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

Re: Ed Harges
“the world has gained this false impression of Israel is an
artificial, unworkable, failed state that couldn’t stand up for long without its
American crutch?” 

I wonder when you began confusing the world with yourself?

I am an American citizen. A disabled veteran. The difference between us is that I have no illusions that I can control any government or can answer for its actions. The other illusion you seem to harbor is that you know what of you speak.

As I said previously, you are arrogant and willfully ignorant. I suspect nothing will change that.

Leave yor bigotry out of any discussion of the behavior of people you neither know nor care to know. 

I am old enough to know that I can’t answer for any government anywhere on this planet.

Did you ever manage to graduate from any school? Did you ever achieve any grades on the same high level as GW Bush?

Go back and read my previous posts which seem to make you very unhappy and ask yourself why?

I have lived the current history of the middle east and have studied it. You seem to have studied your navel and precious little else.

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By karimguy83, June 9, 2010 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

The Arab world made a perfectly fair and historic offer and Israel rejected…but Israel will never submit to its destruction???Does that make sense to you?

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By NIKHILANANDA, June 9, 2010 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

ALOHA karimguy83….. yes, the Arab league made a peace gesture…. read the entire proposal….. should israel do more for peace… YES, YES…. however, they rejected the propsal and the Arab League CONTINUES to be at a state of war with israel….. israel needs to stop most of their policies….. this has lead to arab and palestinian positions… however, israel will never submit to its destruction…..

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By firefly, June 9, 2010 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

The fact is that the US supporters of Israel have
only encouraged Israel’s intransigence. If the US had
persuaded Israel to engage with its Arab neighbors,
create a multi-cultural, multi-religious state, and
shown tolerance for true democracy in the region (as
one Egyptian woman said recently, democracy is the
one thing Israel and the US don’t want in the Middle
East) and stopped this biblical nonsense that only
encourages colonial expansionism, there would have
been peace a long time ago. There’s a reason why the
Palestinians hate the Israelis so much, and that is
because of simple injustice.

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