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Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas sits front and center in 2006 as she waits for President George W. Bush’s press secretary, Tony Snow, to arrive for the daily briefing in the West Wing of the White House.

By Robert Scheer

The media tirade against Helen Thomas is as illogical as it is hysterical. The few sentences uttered by her were, as she quickly acknowledged, wrong—deeply so, I would add. But they cannot justify the road-rage destruction of the dean of the Washington press corps. Suddenly this heroic woman who broke so many gender barriers and dared to challenge presidential arrogance was reduced to nothing more than the stereotypical anti-Israel Arab that it is so fashionable to hate.

“Thomas, of Lebanese ancestry and almost 90, has never been shy about her anti-Israel views,” writes Richard Cohen in The Washington Post, in a non sequitur reference to a reporter born in Winchester, Ky., in 1920 when few—Jews included—supported a Jewish state in Palestine and whose parents were Christians. Obviously Cohen, who attacks Thomas for “revealing how very little she knew” about the history of Israel, is unaware that Lebanese Christians have been the staunchest allies of the Jewish state. Indeed, they provided the shock troops who, under Israeli cover, massacred the unarmed inhabitants of Palestinian refugee camps. To attribute Thomas’ views on Israel to her Lebanese parents is no less offensive than it would be to suggest that a Jewish reporter cannot be objective because, as in my case, his mother escaped anti-Semitism in Russia.

Thomas’ fall from grace as a media icon began with her daring to criticize the abysmal coverage of the buildup to the Iraq war. How ironic that her opposition to the U.S. invasion is offered as an example of hostility to Israel when that war did so much to increase the power of Iran, Israel’s most significant enemy in the region. After all, Israel claims that the presumed military threat from Gaza is fueled by Iran, which enjoys much support in Shiite-led Iraq—previously governed by Tehran’s archenemy Saddam Hussein.

As someone who has long supported a two-state solution for the historically disputed land of Palestine, I have no trouble condemning Thomas’ ill-considered remarks that Israeli Jews should go back to the lands from where they came. I am opposed to denying legitimacy to desperate immigrants seeking a better life anywhere, be they in Arizona or the Middle East. What I don’t understand is why this basic respect for human rights doesn’t apply to the people who call themselves Palestinian and who are illegal immigrants not as a matter of birth but only in the political calculus of those who find their indigenous presence at best an inconvenience and at worst an insolvable threat. Why is it morally acceptable to deny Palestinians the right to full citizenship in their birthplace and instead insist, as Israel’s leaders often have, that they should be content to live under the flag of nations like Egypt, Syria and Jordan that have long oppressed them?

Nor is it relevant to lecture the Palestinians that the current rulers of Jordan might be more benign overlords than when they slaughtered Palestinians in the Black September days of 1970-71. Or that they should be comfortable under the rule of Egypt, whose leaders had previously governed Gaza so oppressively and now join in the cruel blockade of its economy. Demands that Palestinians surrender their national aspirations are no more valid than Thomas’ outburst calling for Jews to trust the modern governments of Poland and Germany. 

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What the Thomas affair allowed was the repeat incantation of the Holocaust as the excuse for punishing not the Europeans who committed those unspeakable crimes, but rather the Palestinians, who had nothing whatsoever to do with what remains as the greatest moral stain on the history of people claiming to be civilized. It was not Palestinians or Muslim fundamentalists who ran the crematoriums, but rather highly educated and mostly Christian Europeans.

For that reason, one must support the right of Jews to live securely in the nation of Israel, the place they claim as their historical homeland. But not without consideration of the rights of their fellow Semites, the mostly non-Jewish Palestinians who happened to already be living there.

On that point the apology Thomas issued got it right: “I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heartfelt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance.”

Now all that is left is for those in the media and government who have shown so little respect and tolerance for the Palestinian side of the dispute to offer some apologies for decades of indifference to, and often contempt for, those victims as well.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 14, 2010 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

ardee, June 13 at 8:21 pm #

Inherit The Wind, June 13 at 9:08 am

You should have said, Oh a squirrel! Heh, we haven’t had a good argument in hours…..

I just happen to admire the works of Samson and despise a poster who posts endlessly and to no real point. Good grief, eight or ten vapid and almost mindless posts in every damn thread….Oh look a squirrel….
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By Night-Gaunt, June 14, 2010 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

Yes Obama was touted as the “better” choice but he wasn’t. In our lack of choice in political runs he was just the better packaged crytpo-fascist than the Republicans ran. How many will vote for the Republicans next time? How are they really different in what they do? Either way we are screwed as long as our system is set up for only two parties ossified and mummified in cases as the only ones worth voting on. Any third parties must scale mount Everest to get a vague chance to come within a parsec of either party.

As for Helen Thomas the wolves were ready for when the sheep dog stumbled to have an excuse to remove from the meadow. Now what will the sheep do?

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By ofersince72, June 13, 2010 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt peace,  I know i am wrong doing that, it
is a tad inconvienient. What I usually do is delete
everthing except one from each thread, clears it right up.
I thought that I also had a relevent bitch of some other
practices that are obvious that are also as self-centered.
  In the meantime, on topic, Americans have done their
part trying turn the US/Isreal aggressive policies around.
We came out overwhelmingly in support of change , both
in the 2006 and 2008 elections, that a few of us saw
through the Democrat Duplicity is of little consequence,
those that did vote for a Democrat president had good
reaon to believe they were getting something different
than what they got.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 13, 2010 at 9:54 pm Link to this comment

Sorry the Werewolf units lasted from 1945-1947 and were a rag-tag poorly trained and equipped bunch, Not a professional among them. Too many had died in the war. [Even the great Otto Skorzeny wasn’t around long enough to get any kind of crack unit out of them. Which worked out for us for we see what happens in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan.]

By Lissa, June 12 at 1:31 pm #
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That old racist (Lebanese) ARAB woman Helen Thomas’ ‘ethnic cleansing’ view reflects the ‘conflict of the middle east’ Arab racism & Islamic bigotry that is.

You are confused it is the Israelis that are using ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. Or haven’t you noticed that as the Israelis use their powers of gov’t to defraud the owners of their homes and businesses then take the land after condemnation in an especially cruel use of Imminent Domain. All nice and “legal.” So you, Lissa,, need to take off those Zionist colored glasses to see the world as it is not as they want it to be.

By ofersince72, June 12 at 6:06 pm #

Night-Gaunt, over on the other thread where you called BOFER, instead of OFER, your little name calling doesn’t bother me either, I know what your real problem with me is.

Which thread and what is OFER? Why didn’t you post there instead of here? This is what you do. Accuse then don’t give detail to check it out. Along with a dozen or more useless posts full of nothings which is annoying and a waste of our e-mail space. That is the reality you fail to register. I can’t put it any plainer.

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By ardee, June 13, 2010 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, June 13 at 9:08 am

You should have said, Oh a squirrel! Heh, we haven’t had a good argument in hours…..

I just happen to admire the works of Samson and despise a poster who posts endlessly and to no real point. Good grief, eight or ten vapid and almost mindless posts in every damn thread….Oh look a squirrel….

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By tazdelaney, June 13, 2010 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

mr. scheer’s piece is mostly okay but…

the first thing i have to mention is that mr. scheer calls teh holocaust against the jews in WWII was the worst such event in the history of ‘the civilized.’ two problems with that: one is that while the holocaust was unimaginable horror; the european project of native extermination and world-theft that began in 1500 and continues to this day has killed at least 200 million, probably more like 300 million in the western hemisphere, australia and the pacific, africa, the middle east, india, china, southeast asia… in other words, the whole world. second point is that ‘the civilized’ have for 5 thousand years been by far more violent, and in an organized way, than the native peoples are found to be, (with exceptions proving the rule.)

i don’t see as how what helen thomas said recently was that bad at all and didn’t deserve either apology or her banishment amid resignation after such an illustrious career. while the hate-party of US-israeli warmongers constantly use hate-speech of a very real sort and then commit hate-crimes daily with impunity and immunity…

for example, back in about 2003, a schoolhouse in afghanistan was ‘accidentally’ bombed, killing 14 children and their teachers. teh next day an unapologetic rumsfeld, told reporters that “we’ll HAPPILY kill as many of them as it takes!” really? that competes with clinton’s secretary of state albright saying about a half a million iraqi children killed by our embargo, saying “we think the price is worth it.”

or bush going to a conference of ultra-orthodoxy in israel in 2003 and telling them that he had had a vision from god who told him to wage a quote ‘holy war crusade’ on iraq and other moslem nations. he used the term ‘crusade’ several times beore he was told that it was ill-advised to threaten the entire moslem world as it included our old allies saudi arabia and egypt.

and what about obama and hillary and company doing nothing at all about israel’s nukes while threatening first-strike with nuclear bombs on the innocent people of iran who have yet to manufacture a single nuclear device.

and after all, the authentically semitic peoples were dark brown to black, unlike the white jews who fled there after the holocaust to create a deserved homeland. but the palestinians also deserve a homeland, eh? israel denies them that right and points a finger at palestinians as being the ones denying israel’s right to exist. the whole world would have been a better place if all those white jews had moved here to new york city.

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By garth, June 13, 2010 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

REDHORSE added,
“I assume you do know that maudlin sentimentality is the hallmark of the psychic vampire. (example: I don’t care that I got your child killed but I’ll hold the flag, stand by the coffin, and weep.)”

I’ve haven’t heard this point brought up before but it’s high time.  Why does this topic go untouched?

And why do the frothing sycophants of the media always thank every person in the military for their service?  What they are thanking them for is being part of a mass murder in the name of the U.S. war machine.

This little bit of hypocrisy turns my stomach.  Why can’t they just hang their heads and let it go?  Forget the Thank yous and ask them if they’d like to be home with their families pursuing life’s normal goals.

If they are indeed fighting for our freedoms; they’re doing one helluva piss-poor job.  We’re still being corralled by the Patriot Act.  And things are getting worse.

Airports will soon xray scan everything.  Nothing will be unobserved.

For those who say that they have nothing to hide, remember it’s not you who decides.  Anyone in authority can say that your email, your this that or the other thing is a terrorist link.  And what do you think you are going to do?  Go on the Bill O’Reilly Show?  Appear on MSNBC?

We are a nation pubescent dreamers.

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By Palindromedary, June 13, 2010 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

Of course the Jews, in Palestine, did to the Palestinians what they did to the Germans, in Poland after the Russians kicked the Nazis out of Poland. They would walk up to a house, where Germans were living, and tell them to “herauss!”“Get Out!” and they would take over the property. If the Germans didn’t do it immediately they would be forced into one of the Jewish-run Concentration camps the Jews set up to beat, rape, maim, torture, and kill….even kids..anyone suspected of being a Nazi, Nazi-sympathizer…or even just any plain old German that got in the way. Read “An Eye for an Eye: The Story of Jews Who Sought Revenge for the Holocaust” by John Sack. The Jewish occupiers of Palestine have been greedy, cruel, and ruthless against the Palestinians…and, unlike the Germans, the Palestinians did nothing to the Jews…the Palestinians were just victims of Jewish greed and injustice. And the western powers helped them….because they sure didn’t want all those Jews coming to the western countries….but ended up getting a lot of them anyway… They, the western powers, were very anti-semitic (the Jews killed Jesus, right?, of course, ridiculous!), and knew about the holocaust while it was happening but did little to prevent it. So, what to do after we win the war?....the German Jewish question now becomes the Western Power Jewish question..ah ha! lets steal the land from the poor Palestinian Arabs…no body cares about them and let’s steal their land to give to the Jews! Brilliant idea! NO? And look at the historical consequences! Now we have a radical, hegemonic, and ruthless power in the Middle East that is armed to the teeth with Nukes and they have even proven to lash out at those who fed it…one particular example in the USS Liberty they attacked in 1967 killing 34 US Sailors and wounding more than a hundred others.

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By REDHORSE, June 13, 2010 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

Our Press and leadership remain silent about the assassination of an American kid by Jewish commandoes. They let us know he was a “Turkish” American. In the same vein the pukes just had to play the airball “racecard” and focus on Helen Thomas being an “Arab” American. Gee—here comes poor Orwells ghost again: “All Americans are Americans, but some Americans are “other” Americans, unless, the press wants to paint them as “terrorist” Americans, in which case, “real” Americans, should understand they’d better keep their #@ckin’ heads down when Corporate M’assa speaks and shut the #@ck up!!”

    As an American, this kind of #@it just pi#ses me off. The hypocritic politically correct have split our unity into such shades of political gray that they can justify anything by saying any wild#ss thing that comes into their weak little minds. I suspect they lost their sense of reality while having that second Martini during the free chicken dinner corporate banquet. (Oh Yum!!)

    Don’t worry though. They’re just being healthy. Like all sycophants they’re just saving themselves. It’s obvious “we the people” need more unity to save ourselves. From them. An AMERICAN is an AMERICAN—get it?

    OFER: You were spot on w/the Dream Act insight.  More-double speake-wave the flag-exploitation of the poor Mexican. I assume you do know that maudlin sentimentality is the hallmark of the psychic vampire. (example: I don’t care that I got your child killed but I’ll hold the flag, stand by the coffin, and weep.)—-By the way, get a grip on yourself! COLE: You were so close to objective once or twice my knee almost stopped jerkin’. TY!

    HAVE A GOOD SUNDAY ALL!! It’s bumpin’ 95 outside and my garden needs me. Later!!

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By LJL, June 13, 2010 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

An unregistered commentator, Lissa, launched a racist rant against Helen Thomas which exactly matched the argument she herself found offensive.  The outlandish charge that Thomas who is of Lebanese descent and the Palestinians are “Arabs” is a ridiculous piece of racism.  Just because Lebanese and Palestinians speak Arabic does not make them Arabs, just like Russian Jews who speak a German language (Yiddish) does not make them German.  There is too much racism being spread in the Middle East.  One of the great tragedies of Zionism is that it has been infected by racist elements.  The Wisconsinite, Golda Meier, took her American racism to the new state of Israel saying about the Zionist venture that Palestine was “a land without people (!) for a people (the Jews) without a land.”  A lot of American racists thought that America was vacant too.  This same Wisconsin school teacher also said, “My greatest regret is that the Palestinians made us kill them.”  Words like that would have done any Southern racist proud.  I don’t want to let the Palestinian racists off the hook, but this is a specific reply to Lissa’s Zionist racism.  The Middle East mess isn’t going to be settled until racist crap on both sides is dropped and they stop treating each other as Palestinians or Jews but, instead, approach each other just as individuals.  Because tribalism is the path to war and destruction.

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By Ed Harges, June 13, 2010 at 10:06 am Link to this comment

re:By Leefeller, June 13 at 11:44 am :

“I’ll just stop this car right now
and we won’t even go to Disneyland!”

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By Leefeller, June 13, 2010 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

Why am I reminiscing of my parents sitting in the front seat of our 1037 Desoto and yelling at the kids in the back seat, “you kids knock it off, if I have to pull over one more time, you will regret it!”

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By Inherit The Wind, June 13, 2010 at 5:08 am Link to this comment

ardee, June 13 at 6:59 am #

ofersince72, June 12 at 8:48 pm #

To former TD poster Samson, just who did you think
you were to come back after several months absence
and point fingers,,,,,,,then leave again…....

So who the hell are you, a peculiar ( to put it mildly) individual who posts repetitive and irrelevant multiples posts without a shred of useful content, to tell another poster what he should or shouldn’t do?

At least the posts of Samson are considered, thoughtful efforts, while yours…not so much.
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Be kind.
Clearly ofersince72 has some sort of attention span defic….Hey you see that cool black car? Is that a Lambo?

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By ardee, June 13, 2010 at 2:59 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, June 12 at 8:48 pm #

To former TD poster Samson, just who did you think
you were to come back after several months absence
and point fingers,,,,,,,then leave again…....

So who the hell are you, a peculiar ( to put it mildly) individual who posts repetitive and irrelevant multiples posts without a shred of useful content, to tell another poster what he should or shouldn’t do?

At least the posts of Samson are considered, thoughtful efforts, while yours…not so much.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment

Protecting Truth Seek Wand from the worldwide consiracy
to get it has created quite a delemma with me…

but it is   MY DELEMMA

and I am not going to let anyone take that away from me
either.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

That durn Jew still won’t buy me a beer,

he is too busy with the Nazi over in Potsdam

conspiring on how to get Truth Seek Wand from me.


(it used to be a Baton)

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment

Now, it is the Amazon with the Huge, Huge Rack

that poses the biggest danger to Truth Seek Wand.

I need DoubleAgent back here ASAP.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

Oh crap,  the SpanishPersonInCharge

is back in China getting rehabilitated from his recent
entanglement with DoubleAgent, poor fellow.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

Of course,  he is another born and raised Marylander,

it seems that the Black, Carlin attitude runs

through us.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

Patrick Henry,

As much as I enjoy Lewis Black,

he is another that professes to be an atheist Jew.

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By Ed Harges, June 12, 2010 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

re:By truedigger3, June 12 at 12:36 pm #

Truedigger writes:

“Nobody is blaming the Zionists, for the rise in the price of Tequilla, or for
the Gulf of Mexico catastrophe.

What we are blaming the Zionists for here, is their despicable behaviour and
brutality, that caused untold misery and suffering for the Palestinian people,
and the lack of peace and stability in the Middle East.

Right on, Truedigger, but I want to add one more thing. We Americans have
special justification for being extra angry about this, because since our
government slavishly serves Israel and funds it to the gills, Israel’s actions such
as this generate more hatred and terrorism against us.

So no, Israel, it’s not just your private business. It’s our business, you self-
righteous bunch of greedy parasitic ingrates.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

To former TD poster Samson, just who did you think
you were to come back after several months absence
and point fingers,,,,,,,then leave again…....

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By garth, June 12, 2010 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

Thanks, Ofersince72 for your heads-up on the Dream Act. 
They are going to turn this life into a real nightmare.
You can feel it on the streets and hear it in the news.

Who knows on what it will turn on and who it will turn on?

I say let the oil flow.  Kill the whole damn species.

But let us tar & feather a few selected individuals of the ruling class just for some sense of settling the score. 

The epitaph will read:  AA killed them.  Arrogance and Avarice.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

And to all of those on Truth Dig that have been calling
OFER a moron for the last six months

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HEE HEE HO HO,

wrapped up in your own self worth and image.

HO HO HO

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

It looks like I am going to have to educate you liberals
on the Dream Act also….Many staged protests going on..
yes, these are staged protests, made to look like
immigrant rights protests….

If you are really for immigrants
Say NO to the Dream Act
If you are really against America’s imperial wars
Say NO to the Dream Act

For the Dream Act, has been a big “dream” for the MIC
for several years…
Since volunteerism is down for their imperial wars, and
they can’t totally man them with mercenaries. what
better way then recruiting Mexicans.
That is what the Dream Act does.
It gives Mexicans certain status (not citizenship) in
return for service in the U.S. military, that is what
the Dream Act is all about… the MIC’s big dream!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment

What might be a good politcal exercise for everyone

Is get a book “not internet” on boolean algebra and
learn it, it is easy and deals with nothing but logic.
just inputs and outputs…
A good exercise in logic, something it seems most
are lacking.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

John Ellis, Mr. Truth_Light

You claim to have been a real estate broker
and an internet web-site consultant and designer
and a few other vocations that took educational skills

and never to have had an education
or out of the laborer class

which is it?????????????????

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

Most of this thread has been discussing religion
Hedges’ thread, once again, discussing religion
A book review on yet another thread discussing religion.

You all are a bunch of sheeple, once again being led
by your own intellect.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, over on the other thread where you
called BOFER, instead of OFER, your little name calling
doesn’t bother me either, I know what your real problem
with me is.

You need to quit getting your history from
“what if scenarios”

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

Unfortunatly for me and TD, my internet provider will
not turn my service off until the first of the month since
I am paid up until then. And I do not possess the
self-restraint to stop this nonsense posting on my own.
Because so many, even the well-intentioned have it so
wrong, always pointing fingers outward instead of right
back here at home. Once again, over a million dead in
Iraq, and working the count up in Pak and Afhgan as I
speak.  The criminal activity around the world originates
right here at home, including Isreali criminal activity.
Helen knows this all tooooo wwweeeellllll.
I had the insight to see that Obama and the Democrats
would just be an extension of Bush policy, which was
an extension….of all previous administrations.
So to all you on here complaining about U.S. policy
take your damn finger and turn it around to yourself.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

To the Jews on this thread that are citing Helen’s
Lebanese heritage to profess an anti-semite ideology
that she might have, POO POO,

Nice try once again.

All one has to do is look at the make up of the Jews
and Arabs all through the Middle East before Western
Colonization for oil to understand just how America’s
and Europe’s quest and thirst for oil disrupted a very
rich culture of Arabs and Jews in the Middle East.;

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

What Helen knows, is that Isreali criminal activity
will never stop as long as there is support by the
American government, and that, Isreal would not exist
for one day without American intervention.
That Isreal gets more aid than any of the fifty states
from the Amrican Government.
That Hussain would not have been Hitlerized and that
country laid to waste without the U.S. using Isreal
as an exuse.
That, all those on here that rightfully expose Isreal
as a criminal state, can’t even change their own
countries criminal activities., and that if we can change
our own countries criminal activities, Isreal will not
have a leg to stand on.  So most are barking up the wrong
tree.  Just another economic fued, turned into a religious
divide that even progressive thinking minds have fallen
for.  Helen knows, the minute Middle East oil is gone,
so is American support of Isreal, so has always been
a humanitarian, therfore, she is calling for a one state
solution now, rather than the bloody one state solution
that is inevitable once the oil is gone.

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By ofersince72, June 12, 2010 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

There are some on here that get it, about America’s
little criminal ally that carries out criminal policy
for their Daddy.

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By Robert, June 12, 2010 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

June 10, 2010.


Liberal PEPs Trash Helen Thomas While Ignoring Flotilla Deaths


by James M. Wall

A Lebanese-American journalist, a few months shy of her 90th birthday, nearing the end of a distinguished journalism career, makes a few irrational comments during a Jewish Heritage Week event at the White House.

She was responding to a question from a young man who stuck a microphone in her face.

The short interview was posted on the website of a rabbi, whose son was the cameraman. Thomas failed to follow the Number One You Tube Rule: Never give a flippant response to any questions from a stranger.

Meanwhile, Israeli Naval commandos storm a Turkish relief boat traveling with supplies to Gaza. In the attack, the commandos kill a 19-year-old unarmed Turkish-American man, one of nine passengers who died in the attack.

Which story provokes the greater outrage among American liberals? Which one is almost totally ignored? You have to ask?

The unfortunate comment by 89-year-old Helen Thomas wins by a landslide. American Liberals, better known in some quarters as PEPs–Progressives Except for Palestine–demanded her immediate condemnation and total removal from polite society.

PEP Number One, the president of the United States, promised to get more information on the death of 19-year-old Furkan Dogan. (More than a week later, the best he can do is give his approval for Israel to investigate its own conduct.)

In an earlier posting on Helen Thomas, I asked the question: Helen Thomas is Back and Obama Has Her: Now What Does He Do?

We have an answer: President Obama reacted to the inappropriate comments from Helen Thomas (Seen here together on Thomas’ 89th birthday) by joining the PEP chorus by calling for her retirement.

And so it is that once again we have a Victory for the Israeli Hasbara. For more on Israel’s program which controls American public opinion from Tel Aviv, see my posting on the impact Hasbara has on American churches.”

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Click on link for the rest:

http://wallwritings.wordpress.com/2010/06/10/liberal-peps-trash-helen-thomas-while-ignoring-flotilla-deaths/

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By pal, June 12, 2010 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
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Helen’s only fault was telling the truth.  The creation of Israel was a crime that the whole world is paying for.  Every choice they have made since then has only expanded the criminality.

BDS!  BDS!

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By truedigger3, June 12, 2010 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

Re: By Inherit The Wind, June 12 at 1:58 pm #


ITW wrote:
“You are poking your ear buds ‘way too far into your ears again—you’re scraping your brain.”
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ITW,

Thank you for the tip. May be that is the reason for may hearing problem.!
I cann’t help it. My ear itchs too hard when I read or smell bullshitting and sophistry.!

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truedigger3, June 12 at 11:10 am #

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Robert quoted:

“...Thanks to Al-Jazeera ....”
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Robert,

Al-Jazeera is a zionist propoganda organ that is very skilfully and insidiously camoflagued.
Al-Jazeera sounds sympathatic to the Palestinians but there is hidden poison that is sugar coated in the way they tell the news and in their commentaries.

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You are poking your ear buds ‘way too far into your ears again—you’re scraping your brain.  Maybe ET can fix it for you.

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By Lissa, June 12, 2010 at 9:31 am Link to this comment
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That old racist (Lebanese) ARAB woman Helen Thomas’ ‘ethnic cleansing’ view reflects the ‘conflct of the middle east’ Arab racism & Islamic bigotry that is.

You have to thank that old Arab hag for being honest, at least, at her last days…

Take a good look at this “moderate” Arab and tell me it’s not about Arab racism.

The basic attitudes of the intolerant Goliath Arab Muslims world is that: ‘You Jews are “outsiders” here in the middle east!’ The Arab Palestinians who’s parents or grandparents came over from Arab land and occupy the Jews’ original homeland? they’re OK, they’re “home.”

Because the entire middle east is ‘Arab Muslim land’ all other non-Arab non-Muslim minorities are “outsiders” especially the Jews, Why? Because they’re neither Arab nor Muslim…

Now, let’s here some radical liberals defending the Arab Muslim bigotry with “occupation and poor palestinians” slogans.
The same radical liberals that couldn’t care less what the Islamic Palestine or Hezbollah have in store for them, exactly what kind of Islamic states are in line with liberals’ supposed claim for defending human rights, or even women’s rights?

I guess, that Palestinian crimes against humanity like torturing fellow “rivals,” honor killing epidemic and oppressing Christians are OK with liberals’ values.

Not to mention the total fear in totalitarian like “Palestine” for speaking out, unlike in democratic free Israel, there’s virtual no freedom of the press or speech.

That’s besides Palestinian & Hezbollah’s routinely horrindeous crimes like taking the lives of their civilians for no more as toys in their games of bloodshed, in use of war.

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By garth, June 12, 2010 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

After the dust has begun to clear, I think that Helen’s last hurrah was a brilliant move.  She brought out in stark relief the dismal level of journalism that passes for news reporting in this country.
Right after Israel murdered 9 passengers on Mavi Marmara in open seas, the U.S. press—all the Kens and all the Barbies who as Thomas Oliphant has pointed out are only interested in their portfolios—almost joined in unison to say we regret the deaths of those on board, but it was a threat to Israel’s very existent.  All that pasta!  You never know.  The Palestinians could have turned that fusilli in swords.

And just after all of them had their say, Helen dropped the Israel-get-out-of-Palestine bomb.  And, Wow!
The ones who hear anti-semitism with the mere utterance of the word, “Jew” by a Gentile re-awakened the Israeli-friendly media, and every Zionist came out of the woodwork.

Now, all the power that the MSM could gather and all the criticism that AIPAC and its ilk could amass focused in on one little 89-year old woman.

Dan Kennedy, a professor of Journalism at Northeastern University, said that Helen as a sindicated journist was just about all washed up.  No papers carried her columns anymore and and her byline appeared only twice in the past year.

The big powerful propaganda Pez dispensers of the U.S. had essentially shut her up.

Her direct questions to the President and his man Gibbs have lost a lot of their effectiveness when they essentially go unanswered.  And without a follow-up allowed, they became minor notes of interest in the MSM’s Entertainment Only nightly shows.

But this little old lady drew out the worst in the fakirs in the American media and revealed them as they really are.

It was like a modern day David and Goliath with a gender and age twist.  It should sell as a made for tv mini-movie.  Get a few sophists on that right away.

As for Joe Biden, I wonder why it was the Delaware State Police that came to the Capitol to arrest a drug dealer from Chicago who was going to testify that he performed fellatio on Barack Obama in a Chicago Hotel during a little cocaine transaction.

Ostensibly, the arrest was for an outstanding warrant for one thing or another,  At any rate, the ex-convict never testified. 

Read Webster Tarpley’s books in 2008 on Barack Obama for more of that story.

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By truedigger3, June 12, 2010 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

Leefeller wrote:

“I just found out they control the price of Tequila and now I am really pissed at those Tequila price rising Zionists.”
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Leefeller,

Nobody is blaming the Zionists, for the rise in the price of Tequilla, or for the Gulf of Mexico catastrophe.
What we are blaming the Zionists for here, is their despicable behaviour and brutality, that caused untold misery and suffering for the Palestinian people, and the lack of peace and stability in the Middle East.

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By Leefeller, June 12, 2010 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

You gotta blame someone, so blame the jew, the gays and the aliens, pick a blame. How about the oil spill, another Zionist plot, then there is the coal mine accident and all the MSM is so full of crap it has a credibility factor of crap, so even the Zionists must be doing their job just like the elites. Are the Zionists the elite?  Are the Elite the Zionists? Boy I am lucky to have expert posters here who tell nothing but the contrived truth or I would never have known about the Zionists.

Hollywood is full of Zionists, it has been foretold.  In fact the Zionists must be everyplace on the planet, they multiply like Catholics, they control everything. What can we do?

I just found out they control the price of Tequila and now I am really pissed at those Tequila price rising Zionists.

Time to bring out the Old Mac Zionist song!

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Robert quoted:

“...Thanks to Al-Jazeera ....”
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Robert,

Al-Jazeera is a zionist propoganda organ that is very skilfully and insidiously camoflagued.
Al-Jazeera sounds sympathatic to the Palestinians but there is hidden poison that is sugar coated in the way they tell the news and in their commentaries.

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By PatrickHenry, June 12, 2010 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

Cole, never knew Pat Buchannon had a sister, I watch him as much as I watch her.  Are they all you have as anti-semites on MSM?  I watched Bill Maher last night and thought he was an extremely arrogant zionist, the flip side of an anti-semite.

Helen calling for those “settlers” to leave occupied Palestine is hardly calling for the destruction of Israel.  Myself and many others would like to see regime change and a movement by Israel to a more democratic and plualistic government than the racist and apartheid one that now guides it.

That is hardly calling for destruction but improvement of that country.

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By dezmembrari auto, June 12, 2010 at 6:40 am Link to this comment
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But we live in America? we have the right word? We have the right to personal opinion? Maybe it is wrong to blame but who do not throw stones. I believe that everyone should see their life’s without affecting the others.

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By Robert, June 12, 2010 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

June 11 - 13, 2010

Poster Boy for “Dual Loyalties”

Joe Biden: In Israel’s Service

By JEFFREY BLANKFORT

Israel appears to be in more serious trouble diplomatically than at any time in its history following the botched attack by an “elite” commando squad on the Mavi Marmara in the early morning hours of June 1 that left at least nine dead and scores wounded.  Thanks to Al-Jazeera and Iran’s PressTV, whose reporters were aboard the ship, much of the world was able to watch the attack unfold on its TV and computer screens and the result has been an avalanche of outrage and ongoing protests against the Jewish state.  Within Israel this has led to finger-pointing and calls for resignations while its hasbara machinery has gone rapidly into damage-control and disinformation mode.

Lest we forget, the first U.S. official to give Israel’s bloody assault a thumbs up sign was Vice President Joe Biden. The former Delaware senator has been a key part of Israel’s hasbara branch, American section, since entering the Senate in 1973 and on the Wednesday following the Israeli attack, he appeared on the Charlie Rose Show where he showed no hesitation in defending Israel’s handling of the raid, something that President Obama had been reluctant to do.

On the following morning, Jerusalem Post Editor David Horvitz speaking for 45 minutes to Congressional staffers and AIPAC members on a conference call praised Biden’s performance.  “It is not entirely clear in Israel where America stands,” he said, but “Israel was very pleased with what Joe Biden had to say.”

But isn’t that why Joe was picked for the job? Was it not to get the vote and the money from those Jews who were afraid that Barack Obama—who they suspected of being a closet Muslim—was no true friend of Israel?

Obama picked Biden “who is about as close to the pro-Israel community as any member of either house,” observed MJ Rosenberg, a former AIPAC staffer, on TPM Café, just after Biden’s selection. “Biden is rated 100 per cent by AIPAC … When he goes to the synagogues in Florida, he goes not as a visitor but as ‘mishpocha’ [family]. The Jews simply love the guy.”

“Bottom line,” concluded Rosenberg, “the Biden choice pretty much eliminated Obama’s ‘Jewish problem.’” That was then and now it doesn’t seem to matter what position Obama takes, Biden seems to answer to his real boss. And it ain’t Barack.

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Click on link for the rest:

http://www.counterpunch.org/blankfort06112010.html

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By J R, June 12, 2010 at 5:46 am Link to this comment
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To continue Helen’s spirit, we need a groundswell of courage and truth from all journalists, as our dialogue on all major subjects is based on false assumptions.  For example, a mini hydrogen bomb in NYC WTC 1 and 2 connects a lot of dots for 9/11.

No uranium or plutonium—-not detectable, ten million degrees for fraction of a second, turns concrete to dust (evaporates all water), vaporizes steel and humans, and can be directed (like straight up to fit an area).  It explains the concrete and everything to dust, the unusually small debris fields for WTC 1 and 2, the videos of residual vertical steel beams vaporizing or turning to dust, and the pools of molten steel in their basement for months –despite constant water on it.    The best report on the use of hydrogen bombs is found under “Finnish military expert—-hydrogen bomb” or an American M.D., Dr. Ed Ward.    [When one looks at the photos of our atomic explosions from the past, there are two- different from most others—- that match the appearance of WTC 1 and 2, “Sedan” (shallow underground) and “Swordfish” (at sea, presumably under somewhat), both from the summer of 1962.]

This explanation is supplementary to prior discoveries of controlled demolition explosives, thermite and nanothermite, in the dust (not to mention photos of squibs and molten metal, plus building 7 which collapsed like perfect demolition).  Of course, many had already known that a Boeing did not crash at Pentagon or Pa, that our new “beam” weapon had been employed to melt hundreds of cars in unusual ways (including away from the NY crash site on FDR Highway); that the deadly anthrax came from our military/intelligence labs at Fort Dietrich, Md.; that the attackers did not have the capability to have penetrated all of the computers of our intelligence agencies, including NSA and military intelligence, and had secret codes to Air Force One and were using them as announced by White House and others on 9/11, (but dropped thereafter to match “dumb” arab story), and for hundreds of other reasons, including witnesses and photos.

We are in two fiscally irresponsible wars on false pretenses.  That fits the definition of evil for many.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 12, 2010 at 5:36 am Link to this comment

If those who believe (as I do) that wiping Israel and/or America off the face of the earth would be appropriate if that’s what it takes to end their misbehavior, then that’s merely a proportional response to a perceived serious problem.  Note, of course, the conditional phrase therein:  we’d be VERY happy if wiping those countries (in one of which I happen to reside) off the face of the earth turned out not to be necessary to cause the misbehavior to cease, but if complete eradication is what it takes then we feel it’s certainly regrettable but entirely appropriate given that the alternative is simply to allow them to continue to deal out unwarranted death and destruction.
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This is how the “reasonable” people who supported Hitler rationalized his actions.  You make NO discussion of wiping Sudan or North Korea or Zimbabwe or China or Saudi Arabia off the map, nations that are INCREDIBLY brutal in their treatment of people.

No, it’s only Israel and the US that this “reaasonable” man calmly discusses eradicating, with all the soulless-ness of a Cheney or Rumsfeld.

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By - bill, June 12, 2010 at 12:00 am Link to this comment

Dear me - it seems that it’s time to bring out the clue-bat again.

People who despise Israel’s behavior (as I do) aren’t necessarily anti-Semitic - just as people who despise America’s behavior (as I do) aren’t necessarily Muslim fanatics who “hate our way of life”.  We simply vigorously disagree with the way these countries are behaving toward those far weaker than they are - as do some significant percentage of those who live in them.  Calling such Israeli Jews ‘anti-Semitic’ is so ludicrous that their detractors (who appear to feel that they have a monopoly on legitimate Jewishness) tend to use the label ‘self-hating’ instead, just as detractors who appear to feel that they have a monopoly on legitimate patriotism try to marginalize American dissidents.

If those who believe (as I do) that wiping Israel and/or America off the face of the earth would be appropriate if that’s what it takes to end their misbehavior, then that’s merely a proportional response to a perceived serious problem.  Note, of course, the conditional phrase therein:  we’d be VERY happy if wiping those countries (in one of which I happen to reside) off the face of the earth turned out not to be necessary to cause the misbehavior to cease, but if complete eradication is what it takes then we feel it’s certainly regrettable but entirely appropriate given that the alternative is simply to allow them to continue to deal out unwarranted death and destruction.

If people like me who aren’t in any way on the receiving end of the atrocities being dished out by these countries feel this way, just imagine how those actually suffering the brunt of them must feel.  And imagine what the repercussions will be if they ever manage to obtain the means to retaliate in kind (rather than with the meager resources currently at their disposal).

Given that both countries are nominal democracies, one must assume that either the majority of their citizens approve of this behavior or are such sheep that they can be lead by those who directly benefit from it to support it.  Otherwise, even if simple human decency would not suffice to curtail it one might assume that an instinct for self-preservation would.

In summation, hating Israel’s behavior is not equivalent to hating Jews.  Even hating those who support Israel’s behavior is not equivalent to hating Jews (even if most of those supporters happen to be Jewish and feel that they are acting in Jewish interests - though many Jews would likely disagree with this).

Dismissing criticism of Israel as ‘anti-Semitism’ is, however, a tried-and-true mechanism for attempting to marginalize it.  If you’d want to talk spin, you can’t get a much better example than that.

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By Cole..., June 11, 2010 at 10:27 pm Link to this comment

Pat-hen
360 360 360
Pat Buchannon , you do know him? Was a Nixon speech writer has a sis (sister) Bay buchannon. Went on to crossfire and other pundetry sites. Bay is also a try hard for the Rebub team pundet, or pundet wnanabe.

Name names? What for? You don’t want to know or you would already know—in any case do your own homework. Or don’t.

As for Helen. I knew of Helen and her Lebanon heritage and her many times uttering AntiIsreal comments. Sometimes most folks just lets them fly overhead. That was helen. She was an old iconic fart, what can you do? I used to get a kick out of JFK when he called on her, he had a big smile and an OK call on Helen and who a knows what she will say.

Her recent barbs did not disturb me, for the reasons stated—they were pure Helen, but evidently she did hit the wrong cord for a number of folks. Got what she deserved? heck no, I don’t know what she deserves but she resigned. She even apologized and that was a surprise.

What disturbed me was the Scheer colume which, talking about 360’s, went from complaining of her “vilification” to glorifying her iconship, to her one of a kind history.

And most of all disturbing was the rush to defend her bigot-Anti Israel/Jewish comments by the flood of bigots and AntiIsrael/Jewish contributors who showered this thread with praise for those comments and offered their own far reaching spiteful condemnation of the big brute Israel. Big brute by the way having a territory you can drive from end to end in a day and a population of about 6 mil Jewish, which is soooo powerful it makes the 600 mil Arabs etc surrounding them shake in their ssndles. And also makes about 200 mil bigots in the US sooo angry they cannot wait to domment on this board. And not to mention the rest of the planets 6 bil population which cannot wait to condemn Israel whenever possible.

Oh well time for another 360.

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By DHFabian, June 11, 2010 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

Public figures do have a responsibility to put some thought into it when they speak. That’s just part of the job, and Helen Thomas knows this. She effectively called for the annihilation of Israel.  What would be America’s response to someone who called for the annihilation of, say, Iran? Or maybe Syria?

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By LocalHero, June 11, 2010 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment

How convenient that this bit of silliness pops up right after Israel slaughters, er well, slaughters AGAIN, humanitarian activists.

At least this proves to any honest observer what most sane people have known for 60 years: Washington gets its marching orders (literally AND figuratively) from Israel.

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By - bill, June 11, 2010 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

As I just had the occasion to suggest elsewhere, http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/ has some interesting observations on attitudes (including Jewish attitudes) toward Israel’s recent behavior for those whose minds aren’t already closed on that subject.

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By ofersince72, June 11, 2010 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

I hope u didn’t take me serious,  it was funny

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By PatrickHenry, June 11, 2010 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, sorry, I didn’t mean to cause harm.

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By ofersince72, June 11, 2010 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

Patrick,  as a matter of fact,  that video was very,
exceptional, one of kind, that unfortunatly , will stick
in mind for ever.

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By Robert, June 11, 2010 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

Helen Thomas

Tell them to get the hell out of Palestine.” This was obviously a totally spontaneous statement, and could mean simply, “Tell them to withdraw from the occupied territories, as demanded by the entire world.”

The interviewer responds with apparent humor, asking for more comments. So the veteran journalist says, “Remember these people are occupied, and it’s their land.” It is of course absolutely true that Zionists occupy Palestinian land. This fact, not the comment, is outrageous. Most people on the planet understand this.”

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Golda Meir


“How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.”

—Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.


“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.”

—Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969

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By ofersince72, June 11, 2010 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

It is a very good thing that the
  Tennessee Socialist took this week off
  but it sure would have been entertaining

  Patrick Henry
  Don’t you ever, ever, give me a video feed like that
  again , please…...

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By PatrickHenry, June 11, 2010 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment

I love Irony and all that it brings.

Those screaming that Helen Thomas is a bigot are the biggest bigots of all.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rabbi-who-recorded-helen-thomas-comments-is-now-suffering-from-his-own-viral-video-past/

So much for Jewish exceptionalism.

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By LJL, June 11, 2010 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

John Ellis, the Book of Kings (Sefer Melachim) is not—as you wrote—in the Talmud (which is a collection of rabbinic commentaries and teachings, but it is not the Bible).  the Book of Kings is in the biblical collection known as The Prophets (Nevi’im).  This bit of pedantry is of itself insignificant. However, it applies to John Ellis, in that he consistently tries to BS his readers by shoveling loads of poorly understood or just wrong facts into his postings.  On account of this buffoonish erudition of his, he brings discredit and ridicule on what he is trying to argue for.

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By ofersince72, June 11, 2010 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

the pair,

apparently you missed all my posts.
you just rehashed everything that I said.

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By the pair, June 11, 2010 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

So…you REALLY just compared modern Germany and Poland to the refugee camps of Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan? Wow.

Almost every “defense” of Thomas I’ve seen has had the qualifier “well, what she said was 100% EVIL and wrong and she saved Hitler’s brain but….”

It isn’t 1948. It isn’t even 1968. I’m pretty sure the risk of Death Camps in Germany disappeared well before Avigdor Lieberman quit his job as a Moldovan bouncer and moved on to “kicking out undesirables” on a much grander scale. Not only are many (in fact most) of the settlers recent arrivals via Aliyah, but they’re encouraged to come from other countries and paid a fair amount of shekels to do so. If those are the “Jews that should go back where they came from”, then I not only agree 100% but so does International law vis a vis the 1967 “borders”.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/the-painful-cost-to-israel-of-its-settler-adventure-1.280358

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article11063.shtml

Of course, if she meant the ones that have been there since 1948, then that proverbial ship has sailed and it’s a bit late to complain. Unfortunately, the same “sorry, too late, deal with it” excuse keeps at bay discussion of the one solution both to immigrant Jews and emigrated Palestinians: the One State democracy with right of return. The fact that probably 80% of the people reading that line are snickering and/or indignant just proves that it isn’t anyone on Helen Thomas’ side of the fence making “peace” untenable.

And as for “anti-Semites” (as historically ignorant a term as ever existed) in the MSM, that’s so insanely laughable I have to assume it’s some kind of Colbertian satire. Ex-AIPAC spokesman Wolf Blitzer? Keith Olbermann, the guy that didn’t even mention the flotilla massacre on his show after it happened? Glenn Beck and O’Reilly who may be pseudo-Christian fanatics in their own way but also love neocon ideology? The Wall Street Journal? The New York “killing civilians is bad PR” Times? Where are these phantom pundits spewing the Final Solution? The fact that anyone making such inane accusations can only fall back on “well, I don’t have to say who they are cuz they just are so STFU!” and never be called out is a grim indicator of the intellectual strength of our supposed democracy.

One last thought: compare the amount of time spent discussing Helen Thomas to the discussion of separate roads for Jews and Palestinians. Just one example that makes me wonder what the Arabic word for “Jim Crow” would be.

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By PatrickHenry, June 11, 2010 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

Cole,  I do know when soneone is talking in circles.
Making accusations but offering nothing.

Pat Buchannan and who?  You really had to reach to select those Icons of entertainment.

I guess you think Helen got what she deserved and she hates all jews too.

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By ofersince72, June 11, 2010 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

Patrick Henry Jun 11 6:31

NICE !!

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By truedigger3, June 11, 2010 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

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ITW wrote:
“Well, that’s the story of the USA, Canada, Mexico, Central America, South America, and Australia.  It’s the story of China, Italy, Germany, Poland and most of the world.

The difference is that refugees used to move on and build new lives, not decide they were going to live in temporary shelters for generations.  Besides, many of the so-called “refugee camps” (which sounds like tents and slit latrines” are actually towns with public water, sewers, electricity and permanent buildings.
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ITW,

You are back doing what you do best, which is sophistry and bullshitting.
You are comparing organges with stones. What you are talking about is very old history of the OLD Europe where the tribes fought and displaced each other, or the conquest of the Americas.

We are talking about the 20, 21 Centuries.
Is it Okay by you that just a group of people come to your area and kill your friends and relatives and order you to leave with just the clothes on your back and you are required to just forget about it and move on!!
The Arab leaders didn’t make the matter worse. This is a damn lie by Israel. The current situation in the Middle East is extremely destablizing, embarrassing and threatening to many Arab regimes and they are desperately want to settle, but your arrogant Israel doesn’t want to settle but wants to take all of Palestine and send the Palestinians to pasture.
There is a proposal on the table by the ALL Arab states expressing their willingness and readiness to sign a peace treaty with Israel if Israel goes back to its 1967 borders. That proposal was rejected by Israel.
Isral doesn’t want any settlement. Israel wants ALL of Palestine without a single Palestinian livin in it.
What you call “actually towns with public water, sewage, electricity ...” , are nothing but crude tenements where two families and some time three families share a single room divided by curtains and over twenty families share a single toilette and a bathroom.!!

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By Cole..., June 11, 2010 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

Pat-hen
I think you answered your own question—
“Look what happened to Helen for offering her own opinion—-”. Helen is in the corporate media and expression was Anti, did you not notice?
Need others ? try Pat Buchannon and sis Bay.

Try your fellow contributors here, they may not meet the criteria of being in the corp media but ask them who they tune in to. Ask who they do not tune in to. The ones they tune in are saying what they want to hear. This barrage of Anti Israel/Jewish comments and distortions does not come out of nothing—it’s in the minds and the distortions are too similar to be happinstance.
But you say—-
” When accused of “Jew hateing”——does that apply to you?—-
followed by——“Maybe we see something Jews don’t.”
                  appears that it does.

You want names? Listen more attentavely, you’re a bright guy, you will figure it out. Unless you don’t want to. The above two sentances may explain that.

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By PatrickHenry, June 11, 2010 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

Cole,

“Pat-henry you need names of antisemites in corporate media? Really? Like I said “Funny you don’t notice”.”

Your making accusations, name names.  I percieve almost all mass media is overly pro-Israel and Jew friendly.  Look what happened to Helen for offering her own opinion, to hell with her objective reporting over half a century.

I do know what famous men have stated about Jews over milennia, some statements I see today and agree with, some are purely bias bullshit.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-gentile-whatotherssay.htm

I have noticed those commenting here at truthdig that are Jewish let you know it up front whether they are observant or not, agnostic or atheist?.  Whether or not their families lived in Poland 1000 years, are culturally yiddish, ashkenazi or whatever, nope they are jews.

A certain hubris with that.

I’ve never understood atheist jews, you can’t have atheist christians, although there are many non-observant ones.

Christians have many denominations, like presb, catholic, baptist, lutheran, scientology, mormon and on and on.  Criticism of one one or more of these denominations is not deemed as “hateing christians”. 

When accused of “Jew hateing” I think of the source, motivation and in your face discrimmination behind the slur.

Maybe we see something Jews don’t.

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/meritocracy-and-jewish-kinship-networks/

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By Old Man Turtle, June 11, 2010 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment
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How convenient, for various vested interests, to have this media-manufactured firestorm-in-an-ashtray.  It certainly staves-off for a little longer any need for those with agendas, hidden and otherwise, to come to grips with the effects of their own ‘sins.’

Then there’s all this florid lip-service paid reflexively to some imaginary “right to exist.”  It’s gotten quite interesting, of late, watching all these self-absorbed peoples trying to exercise this “right,” as the consequences of their own foolish choices continue to render their kind obsolete and redundant, in a Natural Order that will be so much better-off without their self-serving machinations.  One need look no further, really, than this one peculiar incident to discover the very roots of the causes of their self-engineered extinction.

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By Cole..., June 11, 2010 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

The problem for you Ed, sweetypie, is that humanity has not moved on.

If you have not noticed we are in the midst of an illegal conquest and two immoral wars thousands of miles away. One ‘war’ -in Iraq- was supposed to “pay for itself”. How? By plunder of Iraqi oil to pay for our bombing out of Iraqi infrastructure. Good targets! And the pay was to go to our chosen firms non bid contracts, by the way. And as a token of our ‘modern humanity’ we let the Iraqi museums get looted while we humainly stood by.

And if you still think we have moved on mayby I should point out that the murder of some 6 million Jews and other unwanted soles in Europe and the looting of the property owned by those people were taken by their friendly neigbors. You will notice that slaughter of Jews in the 20th century was not old history, Dear Ed. If that passes for moderarity, lets all poop on it.
We have move on? Let’s take a look at Uganda and Darfur -More recent humantarian sites.

But Ed, honey-it’s the Jews that have your craw all boxed up. If you may notice the example of Jew slaughter circe 1500’s as heretics was by Religeous X-tians the spainish inquisition types. The slaughter of the mid 1900’s was by Religeous
X-tians, the ‘Got ist mit uns’ Germanic type.

The Iraq invasion was by none other than the Religeous White power george W who claimed “God told me to hit them”.

My dear Ed, you have a simplistic selective recall of what Moderh Humanity is.

This whole thread has traces of of a want for a coming Progrom mixed in with the overt
Anti Israel/Jewish comments.

Your closing two paragraphs, my darling Ed, is a ranting of absurd distortions eminating from what may be a disturbed malevolent mind.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 11, 2010 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 11 at 2:53 pm #

re:By Inherit The Wind, June 11 at 2:27 pm:

I basically agree with you that the “born there” standard is important, and more
broadly that it’s stupid and mean to tell people to “go back” to homes that don’t
exist.

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I agree

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However: imagine that some religious/ethnic settlers come and level your
family’s house, your orchards, your town—and build condos on the corpse of
what used to be your life. 40 or even 60 years later, living in stateless exile, are
you (or your exiled kids, now grown up, stateless, and dispossessed) going to
have much sympathy for the settlers who argue, “We’ve got kids who were born
here, so just forget about it, or even any compensation. Stop living in the
past!”?

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Well, that’s the story of the USA, Canada, Mexico, Central America, South America, and Australia.  It’s the story of China, Italy, Germany, Poland and most of the world.

The difference is that refugees used to move on and build new lives, not decide they were going to live in temporary shelters for generations.  Besides, many of the so-called “refugee camps” (which sounds like tents and slit latrines” are actually towns with public water, sewers, electricity and permanent buildings.  But, again, refugees moved on, and MORE IMPORTANTLY: Their kids and grandkids and GREAT-grand-kids attached themselves to the new land.

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It’s not so simple as, “Some of us were born here, so forget it.” This is a
genuine ethical dilemma, with legitimate, conflicting grievances on both sides -
- but the whole tragedy was initiated by ONE side, the Zionists, and so they
must accept primary blame.

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You are only partially right.
1) Those that were born there are, like all children, born in innocence and are native to that place.
2) It IS a “Genuine ethical dilemma”  That may be your most insightful comment ever.
3) On the “one side” there were a lot more actors than just Israel, which gets all the blame and all the burden.
4) There IS another side, one that the anti-Israelis are trying to pretend and write out of the history books: That the leaders on the Arab side did everything they could to make matters worse and used the poor ordinary Palestinian people as pawns.

Now you already know that MY view is that the West Bank should go back to Palestine and that any Israelis living there have two choices:
1) Return to Israel
2) Stay as GUESTS/Resident Aliens of the Palestinian State (although their children born there should be considered full citizens of that Palestinian State).  Note they would be subject to behave as ANY resident alien must behave in their host state.

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I am appalled that the greatest White House press
reporter who has been around to see 10 Presidents
should be attacked in this way. We all know what
President Roosevelt said to White House reporters
after the news of the 1938 Crystal Nights came in. We
can read about US foreign policy and how it has been
consistently pro Arab especially since Rooservelt
visited Ibn Saud Azziz shortly before he died
suddenly in office. Why now? Does USA really take the
God of Israel seriously? As a Middle East conspiracy
theorist I really think this is just because USA is
embarrassed by their oil gusher polluting her oceans.

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By Night-Gaunt, June 11, 2010 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

But our country and others have been practicing the old code of barbaric warfare for some time just that the weapons are much better at killing more people. Just look at the USA in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Yemen. Not counting the special forces in Iran or anywhere else at this time. We have over 878 bases in over 100 countries! No other empire had anything close and they still want to move more into Africa & S. America. Their “holy war” to convert or subvert all others to take their resources and have hegemon over all.

We are approaching a new dark age that will have primitive ideas supported by 21st century high technology to fulfill their 13th century aims. Crusaders/Inquisition but all coming from a USA perspective of the neo-barbarian. (We seee that in Judaism, Hindu and Islam too.) The last time we saw it it came from Germany (1933-1947)* and even so its viral meme of exceptionalism and superiority of people & purpose with God’s blessing subfuses it.

*From 1945-1945 the German “Werewolves” trained by Otto Schorzeny functioned as partisan terrorists within the occupied lands of Germany. Fortunately it failed. Read Harry Turtledove‘s “The Man With The Iron Heart” to see what would have happened if they had succeeded.

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By Ed Harges, June 11, 2010 at 12:50 pm Link to this comment

re:By Cole…, June 11 at 3:45 pm:

The problem for you, Cole, is that humanity has moved on since the days when
violent conquest, mass murder and expulsion, colonization, and rule by right of
ethnic blood rights of the conquerers were standard procedure. We don’t
operate that way anymore, and thank God we don’t. But the Israelis want special
rights here (as they do in so many other areas) to conduct pillage and conquest
and ethnic mass murder and expulsion, and yet be welcomed as a civilized
“Western” power at gay pride parades in Spain. But the Israelis can’t claim to be
civilized and modern, galavanting around to chic film festivals and art openings
and charity balls, and opening “museums of tolerance”, at the same time that
everybody knows they’re doing what they’re doing to the people of Gaza, and to
unarmed humanitarians who try to so much as sneak some fettucini past the
blockade.

I mean, sweetheart, if Israel thinks we should just go back to the human rights
status quo circa 1500, what would be wrong with slaughtering Jews as heretics,
and fighting wars for the Pope? Let’s all just pretend that WWII never happened,
the Geneva Conventions never happened, and make like Atilla till we burn the
whole world right down to the ground, eh?

You can’t have your modernity and defecate on it, too, my dear.

Face it, that party’s over and Israel missed it before it ever got to become a
state. The real question is, why don’t you have sense enough to be glad that’s
not the way the world works any more? You’re acting like a bunch of sadistic
fraternity thugs who’ve finally made it to senior year and are determined to
make the new pledges go through some grotesque mistreatment that you
suffered that should never have been allowed in the first place.

Some abused children grow up and think, “That was evil, what I suffered. No
one should ever have to go through that.”

But sometimes, like you, the former victim (or perceived victim)  becomes an
antisocial bully who derives pleasure in assuming the role of abuser for the rest
of his life. You figure, if you don’t get to do it to others now, what was all that
suffering for? You are, finally, simply not a very nice person. You have a bad
character. If you were a character in a play, the reviewer would complain that
this villainous role is too flatly written, lacking complexity, simply a malevolent
bore, not believable. But there you are, quite real.

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By Cole..., June 11, 2010 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

Code of greedy man goes back 4000 years??
What are you stating? You were there? What code?

You are a practicing Jew, John? Or an outsider pretending to know all?  “Quotes were from the Jewish Bible, the Talmud, the writings
of Moses and other Old Testament authors.”
All writings written by man. And written thousands of years ago. They are the word of ancient man, period. And in text which you would not be able to read or interpret.

As for me, I do not fear God. And I do not clear cut His forest and pretend to be pious.

Still, it amazes me that you quote ancient Hebrew text, talk of Hebrewic God-fearing, talk of the text as the word of God—-as given to Hebrew writers—-and you hate Hebrews. That dark word again.

Do you really think God loves you because you fear Him and show hate and spite for the decendants of the people He chose to give his words to?

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By garth, June 11, 2010 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

Hello ITW,

Glad to read your reponse, but I think this thread has moved on since my remarks.  One thing about your posts that I’ll have to admit is they are consistent.  And I mean that in a good way. 
We need more Democrats like you.


Here’s your reply.

Garth,
You are right. Look how beautifully Barbara Walters has aged!
Oops!  Babbba WaWa is Jewish.
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Isn’t it wonderful what a surgeons knife and a few tons of make-up can do?
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Look how beautifully Goldie Hawn has aged!

Oops! Goldie’s Jewish too!
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See above.  But I must admit Goldie is an exception to my faux standards.  Maybe it was her smile, but I had a crush on her from her days on Laugh-in.
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Look how badly Elizabeth Taylor has aged!

I always thought Liz Taylor was too beautiful. 

I think Liz became a Jew after her first marriage, if I am not mistaken.  But I am not talking about the Jewish faith. I was slinging mud in response to what I thought was cheap shot.

Oops! Liz ain’t Jewish (she only played one in Ivanhoe).

I’ll bet you look like shit LONG before you are 90 (probably do now).  But 40 or 90 you’ll still be shallow.


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Hell, I looked like shit when I was 19.  They used to say I looked like the ex-welterweight champion, Carmen Basilio, when I got up in the morning.  I took solace in the consideration that what must Carmen Basilio look like when he gets up in the morning.

But then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

As for the shallow, part: Long live the shallow among us.  What would the tabloids do?

Thanks for your response.

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By Cole..., June 11, 2010 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

There is no “born there” standard. Mankind started out as a ‘hunter gatherer’.
Your imaginings can easily be applied to the invasion of the Americas by Europeans. Or the invasion of Europe by Atilla and Ghangas. Or the more modern British Empire now defunct. Do you think the taking of Hawayii and Samoa where kindly acts?

Do you think the US military bases in 150 plus nations is not Imperialistic.

But the context of your imagaginings avoids the recognition that the land now Israel was occupied for thousands of years by Hebrews and others. Was resettlement and establishement of Israel “unfair” to non Jews like the now called Palistinians?
Probably. In some cases. And probably in somewhat the same way as taking Native American tribal lands for the all conquering expansion of the 13 Colonies and the continued taking of South American native tribe lands in these very days—-why are you so quiet on that?

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By NABNYC, June 11, 2010 at 11:42 am Link to this comment

Helen Thomas’s comments were not offensive in any way.  I’ve heard Israel’s government and people say a million times that the Palestinians should move to Jordan, or Egypt, so they cannot claim that somebody saying they should go back to some other country is offensive.  Obviously one way to resolve the dispute would be for one group or the other to just get out. 

I seriously question whether this entire thing was a set-up against Thomas, one of the few white house reporters who always asks the tough questions.  Who could have set this up?  People in the white house, Fox, David Horowitz, Rahm Emanuel.  Lots of people on both sides might have wanted to get rid of her.  A 90-year old woman, and a bunch of men gang-jumping her.  They are all disgraceful.

My primary objection is that while the entire national government of the country came down on Helen, none of them could bother to express the tiniest bit of concern for the American aid worker and others murdered by Israel.  The despicable traitorous behavior of our government, taking money from israel then backing them in every murderous act, makes me sick.

More and more Americans are realizing the truth about this criminal enterprise, this money-laundering scheme by which Congress sends billions of dollars of our money to Israel, then Israel launders some of it back into the country as kick-backs for the politicians.  It’s a big con, and the citizens are the losers.

The citizens of Israel are also losers.  They believe what their government tells them.  But their government officials are just as corrupt as are those in the U.S., and likely have nice little accounts set aside for themselves should they decide to flee the country.  But the citizens of Israel will continue to be hated by much of the world, and the targets of unending violent assault by their neighbors.  There will be no peace because the government of Israel gets too much money from the U.S. from the never-ending conflict.  So the people will suffer.  And eventually they probably will be overrun, in some form or another. 

If Israel wants to have a “Jewish” country they should go back to the 1948 boundaries, and give the rest of Palestine back to the Palestinians.  If they won’t do that, then it is one nation with the majority of people oppressed and brutalized by a religious dictatorship, a lot like Iran and Saudi Arabia.  Israel is not a democracy, because most of their people have no rights.  It’s just another corrupt thieving thug government.  When the U.S. finally cuts them off, which will happen one day, there will be democracy in the area, and there will not be a Jewish state.  It will probably, unfortunately, be a Muslim state with some Jewish residents.

I wonder if all these fanatical influences in Islam would ever have gained this power if it was not for the U.S., England, and Israel being so corrupt and injust, stealing the resources and murdering the people.  Isn’t that what drives people to fanatical religious views?  The lack of any hope for a better life here on earth?

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By Ed Harges, June 11, 2010 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

re:By Inherit The Wind, June 11 at 2:27 pm:

I basically agree with you that the “born there” standard is important, and more
broadly that it’s stupid and mean to tell people to “go back” to homes that don’t
exist.

However: imagine that some religious/ethnic settlers come and level your
family’s house, your orchards, your town—and build condos on the corpse of
what used to be your life. 40 or even 60 years later, living in stateless exile, are
you (or your exiled kids, now grown up, stateless, and dispossessed) going to
have much sympathy for the settlers who argue, “We’ve got kids who were born
here, so just forget about it, or even any compensation. Stop living in the
past!”?

It’s not so simple as, “Some of us were born here, so forget it.” This is a
genuine ethical dilemma, with legitimate, conflicting grievances on both sides -
- but the whole tragedy was initiated by ONE side, the Zionists, and so they
must accept primary blame.

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By Cole..., June 11, 2010 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

John—I made no such claim—“God-fearing”.
The “quotes” from Exodus are translated from original writings prob old Hebrew—don’t know how they are relevant to the point you want to make. Interesting how you quote Hebrew scribe as “word of God” to justify your “hate for Jews”.

Right—there is that dark word again.
And Right again—it is not possible to expose to John the writer his hate.
And right again—the code of Hammurabi was 1700 BC which predates the Exodus item you claim to be 1400 BC

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By Inherit The Wind, June 11, 2010 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

Kulu,

For all its sins and transgressions, ask yourself this:

Why does a person born outside Israel of Palestinian descent have more right to live in Israel than a person of Jewish descent who is born there?

In America, we believe if you are born here, you are American, regardless of how your mother got here, legally or illegally, honestly or dishonestly, by her own free will or by force, YOU STILL ARE AN AMERICAN!

Of course, when it comes to Israel that rule is turned topsy turvy by the Israel-haters.

Always the double-standard:  Jews are held to a higher standard than everybody else in the world by everybody else.

Helen Thomas is an old lady with early-onset Alzheimer’s which is why she FIRST lost her famous customary objectivity. It’s not that she’s not entitled to her opinions.  Hell, Pat Buchanan and Glenn Beck are entitled to their crackpot, racist opion. The difference is we KNOW and EXPECT them to be racist crackpots.  We don’t expect that of Helen Thomas. If Helen Thomas didn’t think and realize that she had said something beneath her, all the fires of HELL couldn’t have made her apologize, but apologize she did.  And that’s the key.  We KNOW H-T is too damn tough and honest to say she’s sorry if she’s not.

Retirement was a wise idea.

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By huhwhat, June 11, 2010 at 10:23 am Link to this comment
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Ms. Thomas was just trying to be helpful. Say you saw your neighbor’s house billowing out a lot of smoke and flames. You would (I hope) go pounding on your neighbor’s door, and yell, “Hey neighbor, GET THE HELL OUT of your house, it’s burning down!”

Israel it seems to me, is eventually going to lose their struggle or war with the Palestinians. They indeed should get the hell out and come to America (which Thomas mentioned along with Germany and Poland) , I welcome them all. The only thing the Jewish people have to do, is admit to themselves that the god-gave-them-Israel story is as absurd as the Eve-was-made-from-Adam’s-rib story.

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By kulu, June 11, 2010 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

Re: Money is Funny June 11 5.42am

Oh come Money, Jews from all over the world whether being persecuted or not have migrated to Israel and from the beginning have insisted they occupy the place by some divine right. Whose divine right I wonder? And they have got progressively more brutish and unreasoning as time has passed.

I was on their side once but now only the morally bankrupt or completely ignorant could support them. I am not one of those.

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By kulu, June 11, 2010 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

The only mistake Helen Thomas made was to apologize for what she said; perhaps some clarification might have been in order and I say might. The people who should be apologizing are the bigots and fools in the White house, congress and the mass media who have been behind the brutish actions of the Israelis all along and without whose help Israel would never have become the threat (along with the US)to world peace that it has become.

Why on earth has Israel got the right to occupy the territory it has and does ahead of the Palestinians who they have been displaced?

And what must the Palestinians do in the face of overwhelming military supremacy on the part of the occupier-just give up? It is not as if those Israeli citizens who are on the receiving end of Hamas rockets are innocent (though some of course are. The citizens of Israel install the governments they want to install and so are collectively guilty of the crimes their government commits.

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By Cole..., June 11, 2010 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

Back to Scheer.
It was a simplistic column based on a reporter interviewing reporter, What for?
So Helen made some bigoted and stupid comments!
Period.
So Helen got ‘vilified’—not quite—-for making stupid comments.
Helen also got a world of praise from the Israel/Jewish hate group.

But it did serve to unroof this flood of Anti Israel and Anti Jewish/Semitic comments on this thread, in which the commenters have fallen all over themselves with unleashing their spite and hate using a blend of fact, using many fautly and fictitious reasons to hate mixed in nicely with the hate sans needing a reason.

Good to know you. Sorry there is no reasonable discussion possible with haters taught from the cradle to hate.

The ‘tooth for a tooth’ is actually dated from 1700 BC Babylonia—it was the Code of Hammurabi.  Moses was the 10 Commandments guy—‘tooth for a tooth’ is not one of them.

Jews committed Genocide in 1400 BC! In Caanan! What a good memmory you have, Ellis. Hebrew is not a “race”. Chosen by God?—- “Hebrew race was created to be God’s chosen people to show the harm—-even in a govenment ruled by God”. Are you so doused in hatred that you can not see the nonsense of that comment?

Pat-henry you need names of antisemites in corporate media? Really? Like I said “Funny you don’t notice”.

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By REDHORSE, June 11, 2010 at 9:13 am Link to this comment

As in discussion of the “illegals” issue ethnicity was just too emotionally tasty to pass up and the real topic, corporate fascist media silencing of a veteran journalistic American voice, fell by the wayside. Arabs, commandoes and Jews—oh my!

      Helen Thomas spoke truth to power. The politically correct removed her. They, like the corrupt pharisees of old, choke at a gnat and swallow a camel. They are hypocrites of the first order. As I’ve said in regard to all our corporate panderers, like our politicians, we’d pay them no mind but for the fact that they are too dangerous and paranoid to ignore.

      What does the fact that Mrs. Thomas is of Arab extraction have to do w/anything. She’s an American. That her ethnicity even came into the discussion demonstrates how the culture of politically correct victimhood has divided us and is in the process of destroying free speech. It’s selective hypocrisy. It allows passive-aggressive dirtbags to inhabit a false moral highground as they duck and weave behind imaginary concern for world/social issues over which,in reality,they have no real control and, in honesty, don’t really give a #@it.

      Meanwhile, back at the ranch in D.C., another voice for real freedom is silenced and it’s business as usual.

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By Robert, June 11, 2010 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

Italian flotilla journalist: My credit card was used after IDF confiscated it

Journalist Manolo Luppichini has written Netanyahu, Peres, Barak, Lieberman and Israel’s ambassador in Italy over the matter.


By Dimi Reider


An Italian journalist who was detained by the Israel Defense Forces following the raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla says his credit card was used to purchase items after it was confiscated by the Israeli authorities.

Manolo Luppichini was aboard the Sfintoni-8000, one of the smaller boats in the flotilla, when the naval commandos took it over. “Nobody was killed on our boat,” Luppichini said in a telephone call from Italy. “We tried a little passive resistance around the boat’s bridge. The soldiers fired paint balls and two people were hurt by stun [taser] guns.”

After the Israel Navy took over the boat, he said, the soldiers searched every passenger and confiscated everything they found. “They took two cameras, microphones, a stand and other equipment from me and my photographer. They took one of the cameras as I was taking photographs,” says Luppichini, who was working for Italy’s RAI-3 television and an Italian-Swiss television channel when he was detained.

“Afterward they took my wallet, passport, bag and all personal effects on the boat,” he says.

Luppichini was taken to Ashdod port and then transferred to a Be’er Sheva prison compound, where he says he received a form saying his passport had been impounded.

On June 2 he was taken to an Immigration Authority compound and on the following day was deported. Although he showed the document proving Israel had confiscated his passport, he says he was deported without receiving any of his property or identification papers back.

A few days ago Luppichini discovered that while he was confined in Be’er Sheva and after he was back in Italy - a day after his deportation - purchases were made with his credit card, which the Israeli authorities had confiscated.

One purchase was from a vending machine in Tel Aviv for about NIS 10 on June 2, he says. Another purchase, for NIS 240, was made in Gedera’s Village Market - while Luppichini himself was in Bologna, Italy.

“The sums were not large,” he says, “among other things because it’s a rechargeable credit card that had only 80 euros on it. But in principle it’s theft, for all intents and purposes.” Luppichini has written a letter to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, President Shimon Peres, the foreign and defense ministers and to Israel’s ambassador and consuls in Italy on the matter.

Luppichini says he wants to know who used his credit card, along with why and how. He is also demanding that all of his equipment be returned to him immediately.

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http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/italian-flotilla-journalist-my-credit-card-was-used-after-idf-confiscated-it-1.295493?trailingPath=2.169,2.225,2.226,

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By Ed Harges, June 11, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

Karim: unfortunately the more religious posters seem to be losing interest in the
Jesus thread and are finding time to post elsewhere.

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By karimguy83, June 11, 2010 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

Read ``The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts`` and also ``David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible’s Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition`` by archeologists Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman from Tel Aviv University. They are both classics.

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By rico, suave, June 11, 2010 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

This article should be titled “On the vilification of the vilifiers of Helen Thomas”

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By karimguy83, June 11, 2010 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

therefore

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By karimguy83, June 11, 2010 at 7:37 am Link to this comment

“The Jews committed genocide to Canaan in BC 1400 so they could rule the land as Israel.”

Except,to virtually all serious archeologists this conquest and there the genoide never happened.And in 1400 BC there were no Jews to conquer anything anyway.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 11, 2010 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

Garth,
You are right. Look how beautifully Barbara Walters has aged!
Oops!  Babbba WaWa is Jewish.

Look how beautifully Goldie Hawn has aged!

Oops! Goldie’s Jewish too!

Look how badly Elizabeth Taylor has aged!

Oops! Liz ain’t Jewish (she only played one in Ivanhoe).

I’ll bet you look like shit LONG before you are 90 (probably do now).  But 40 or 90 you’ll still be shallow.

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By Robert, June 11, 2010 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

Israeli Document:

Gaza Blockade Isn’t About Security

By Sheera Frenkel

“June 10, 2010 “McClatchy”—JERUSALEM — As Israel ordered a slight easing of its blockade of the Gaza Strip Wednesday, McClatchy obtained an Israeli government document that describes the blockade not as a security measure but as “economic warfare” against the Islamist group Hamas, which rules the Palestinian territory.

Israel imposed severe restrictions on Gaza in June 2007, after Hamas won elections and took control of the coastal enclave after winning elections there the previous year, and the government has long said that the aim of the blockade is to stem the flow of weapons to militants in Gaza.

Last week, after Israeli commandos killed nine volunteers on a Turkish-organized Gaza aid flotilla, Israel again said its aim was to stop the flow of terrorist arms into Gaza.

However, in response to a lawsuit by Gisha, an Israeli human rights group, the Israeli government explained the blockade as an exercise of the right of economic warfare.

“A country has the right to decide that it chooses not to engage in economic relations or to give economic assistance to the other party to the conflict, or that it wishes to operate using ‘economic warfare,’” the government said.

McClatchy obtained the government’s written statement from Gisha, the Legal Center for Freedom of Movement, which sued the government for information about the blockade. The Israeli high court upheld the suit, and the government delivered its statement earlier this year.

Sari Bashi, the director of Gisha, said the documents prove that Israel isn’t imposing its blockade for its stated reasons, but rather as collective punishment for the Palestinian population of Gaza. Gisha focuses on Palestinian rights.

(A State Department spokesman, who wasn’t authorized to speak for the record, said he hadn’t seen the documents in question.)

The Israeli government took an additional step Wednesday and said the economic warfare is intended to achieve a political goal. A government spokesman, who couldn’t be named as a matter of policy, told McClatchy that authorities will continue to ease the blockade but “could not lift the embargo altogether as long as Hamas remains in control” of Gaza.

President Barack Obama, after receiving Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the Palestinian Authority, said the situation in Gaza is “unsustainable.” He pledged an additional $400 million in aid for housing, school construction and roads to improve daily life for Palestinians — of which at least $30 million is earmarked for Gaza.

Israel’s blockade of Gaza includes a complex and ever-changing list of goods that are allowed in. Items such as cement or metal are barred because they can be used for military purposes, Israeli officials say.

According to figures published by Gisha in coordination with the United Nations, Israel allows in 25 percent of the goods it had permitted into Gaza before the Hamas takeover. In the years prior to the closure, Israel allowed an average of 10,400 trucks to enter Gaza with goods each month. Israel now allows approximately 2,500 trucks a month.

The figures show that Israel also has limited the goods allowed to enter Gaza to 40 types of items, while before June 2007 approximately 4,000 types of goods were listed as entering Gaza.

Israel expanded its list slightly Wednesday to include soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy, said Palestinian liaison official Raed Fattouh, who coordinates the flow of goods into Gaza with Israel.

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By Ed Harges, June 11, 2010 at 6:18 am Link to this comment

Ardee writes:

”... the Palestinians must be supported and given the same rights
as any people to live freely and safely in a homeland.”

No disagreement here; but I would note the ambiguity of that word,
people, and the problems arising from its misuse.

There is a wonderful book by Michael Neuman, a Jewish Canadian professor of ethics,
called “The Case Against Israel” [italics in the original], provocatively titled in
response to Alan Dershowitz’s “The Case For Israel”.

Neuman talks about the fact that there is no tenable moral basis, reasoning from
commonly accepted ethical first principles, for the idea that all people, or indeed
any people, in the sense of “peoples” (that is, religious/ethnic groups), deserve
their own sovereign territorial states—i.e., “homelands”, in the sense of 19th
century European Romantic ethnic nationalism—in which the governance and ethnic
predominance of the national “people” is legally guaranteed in perpetuity. Nobody
has an ethical “right ” to such a thing. Nobody. Not the Serbs; not the Germans; not
the Jews.

But there is a very real right of all people, in the simple sense (i.e., not a
religious/ethnic “herrenvolk”) not to be subjected to violent or coercive expulsion
from their homes, on the basis of some notion of the place as an ethnic homeland for
a different demographic group, and that right explains both why Israel’s founding
ideology is ethically wrong, and why also it was offensive and irrational for Helen
Thomas to recommend that Israel’s Jews—presumably even those born in
Palestine/Israel—should now “go back” to their non-existent homes in other
countries.

Neuman points out that this ethical distinction has escaped the understanding of
even some who defend Palestinian rights, as they tacitly adopt the “herrenvolk” ethnic
Romanticism of Israel’s founders in defense of Palestinians’ rights, thus allowing
themselves to be drawn into endless racial/religious/ethnic bickering about whether
or not Palestinians constitute a “real people”. People have a right not to be treated
horribly regardless of whether they collectively constitute a religious/ethnic “nation”,
according to Israel’s or anyone else’s definition.

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By Peter Knopfler, June 11, 2010 at 5:52 am Link to this comment

Hello again, not to stir up the soup, It took 50 years to find out that Helen of the W.House first row seat center best seat in the house next to the toilet! She is part, muslim which part which years did she pray 5 times a day She did always wear a scarf??? Was she having a SENIOR MOMENT, She does look Lebanese, I don`t like her, but I take my hat off to her, 90 years old is a feat the odds are against you. Never heard of a Husband or children a carreer woman bitter miserable and always complaining, could pass for an israeli, 50 years public attention was it worth it? I don`t consider this public service but self service, I never sensed a family feeling from her. A woman in a Man`s world loses her femininity scarafice family for purpose and at the last moments to go out like a South Korean rocket take off and blow up, Bless Her for her effort, my wifes grandmother yesterday 96, her mother made to 106, my wife will out live me ! Good luck Helen the Lord has watched over you and that is really all any of us can do!

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By the worm, June 11, 2010 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

Simply another example of the media’s lack of self-awareness.

No one cares what the media spouts about this issue and most others.

It has become so lemming-like that one five minute session at the top of the hour
with NPR tells you the slant the vast majority of the media will be taking.

Like most of the media ‘news shows’, NPR has become a rightward-leaning info-
tainment vehicle; it is truly the nation’s radio now, at least, in the sense that it’s
inane: not NPR , but NIR: National Inane Radio.

Yep, the ‘media’ will continue lemming-like to follow one another into the
vilification and inanity.

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By PatrickHenry, June 11, 2010 at 3:21 am Link to this comment

Re: Cole…, June 11 at 1:34 am #

“There are an abundance of Antisemites in the corporate media—-funny you do not choose to notice”

Funny how you failed to mention any.

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By ardee, June 11, 2010 at 3:14 am Link to this comment

average USA Joe, June 11 at 3:50 am #

This is an open letter to all jews:


a response:
There is certainly a bit of the unique when speaking about the State of Israel and the state of injustice that reigns there. But I cannot help but wonder whether those not of the Hebrew faith can grasp the meaning of that nation to an older generation.

That meaning is behind the unthinking and irrational appearing support Israel receives from American Jewry. The creation of a land for the Jews dominated the thoughts of Jews everywhere , and for a thousand years in fact, ever since the Diaspora that dispersed them to the four corners of the world. Every year the toasts around the Seder table would begin with “next year in Jerusalem”. The desire for said homeland was an almost unconscious part of the fabric of Jewish culture. In fact, my criticisms of the actions of Israel contributed to my status as the “black sheep” in my family.

This post does not, in any way, suggest support for the generation of American Jews who support Israel in an unthinkingly loyal fashion, only to explain what is, basically, the contributing factor in such as AIPAC and the support it gets from those here who grew up sending dollars to Israel to plant trees and who witnessed grandmothers and grandfathers weep at the reality of said nation.

Thus I would note that the criticisms of the actions of Israel are certainly justified, more than that ,necessary. They must be stopped, the Palestinians must be supported and given the same rights as any people to live freely and safely in a homeland.

I just note that ,when Great Britain does something wrong we do not see diatribes against the Church of England, when the USA does evil ( and there is certainly a huge list there) no spewing against the Protestant faith, and mark my words Presbyterians still run this nation despite comments to the contrary.

The tainted comments of those who spew against the Islamic faith because of the actions of a relatively few thousand extremists among them is about as unfair, to me, as the antisemitism that always raises its ugly head when discussing the genocidal acts of Israel and the support it receives from American Jews here.

I am an atheist, but I was born and raised a Jew. With a foot in both worlds I condemn racism and bigotry in all its forms, and suggest that many haters use the topic to crawl out from under a rock and stand in plain sight. Right thinking people of all creeds and faiths should never succumb to such. What Israel does is wrong, very,very wrong, and they should be condemned for it. But just as Islam should not be smeared for the actions of AlQaeda and the Taliban neither should Jews be marked for their support of a state so ingrained in their belief systems. Israel stands alone, as a state doing evil, and should be commented upon as such.

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By Money is funny, June 11, 2010 at 1:42 am Link to this comment

There is a lot of good people caught up in a very dangerous situation on both sides of the situation I’d say.

If you where next to two people and one hated you and the other did not, which one would you align yourself with?

That would explain our relationship with Israel basically.

It makes sense actually.

I am not trying to excuse their behavior, but I sense that they are trying to defend themselves as any one would including ourselves in their position.

Imagine if we all where relocated to a small piece of land in Iraq at present.

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By Money is funny, June 11, 2010 at 1:15 am Link to this comment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotonix

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By average USA Joe, June 10, 2010 at 11:50 pm Link to this comment

This is an open letter to all jews:

I’ve been reading a lot of things here and there and have finally decided to contribute my two cents’ worth.

Not so long ago I had a lot of sympathy for jewish people.  And with all the holocaust movies and what not, I even though that, if I ever were in a situation like WWII where I could help or hide some jews to protect them, kind of like in a movie, even at considerable risk to myself…  I thought to myself then that I would do it, it’s the right thing to do.

Today I am not so sure.  Now Come on, I am not anti-Semitic.  I am NOT suggesting that we exterminate or even hurt the jews.  It’s just that after everything israel has done, I feel that it has lost not only credibility but also legitimacy.  I mean, if this is the way you treat people whose land you did steal (I am sorry, that is indisputable: many of them do have deeds of trust, not vague biblical claims), ethnically cleansing them and starving them in Gaza and elsewhere, how can you expect me to come to any other conclusion?  How could you of all people recreate a ghetto and inflict upon others the horrors that were inflicted onto you?  I just can’t understand that.  I know, you’re gonna throw the terrorism bogeyman card but this terrorism bit is wearing thin.  I did look it up: for example, there was a cease fire with Gaza, israel broke it and provoked Hamas.  And in any case, white phosphorous and civilians in hospital and UN compounds for a couple of firecrackers?  You have lost any and all legitimacy.  Actually, I would be hard pressed to even argue that by your barbarity and crimes against humanity, you have not forfeited your right to exist.  It’s not the way I feel but, intellectually, and if I am honest, how could I argue that?  I can’t.

So yes I am utterly disgusted with israel and jews in general, and please, don’t bug me with the jewish and zionist differentiation.  I know there are good jewish people, I know some of them.  But jews, even if they are not israelis, have a special responsibility…  No duty…  to speak and act against the racist monster israel has become.  Jew, zionist, yeah, I know, I should see the difference, but I don’t… let God sort them out.

And you see what is really sad is the following: How I would have protected you even putting my family at risk in the past…  All that goodwill.  Today I won’t lift a finger for you.  Don’t ever come knocking on my door, whether zionist or just plain jewish, it will remain shut.

So no, I will not advocate for, nor condone, nor partake in the coming pogroms against jews, but I won’t do a thing to help them either.

Coming pogroms against jews? For every action, there is a reaction.  You’ve gone too far. It’s inevitable, it is the way of history, the pendulum swings.  And it seems to be the jews’ destiny throughout history, always getting too cocky and pushing the envelope too far and then getting major blow back.

I wish it were different, but it’s really your own doing, and I got my own country and my own family to take care of.  So please, change NOW or get the hell out of other people’s country.  Palestine, but also out of America.  Get a hold of your aipac and all these j street pressures.  I want my country back.  Palestinians do too.

Otherwise don’t complain when blowback hits and, when it does, don’t expect me to give any assistance whatsoever.  You brought it upon yourselves.

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