Priests don’t tell the truth - Nuns do. Priests like to f—-little boys in the ass. Should they abstain from the act they still commit a mortal sin of omission by their silence. Red robes and tall hats cannot cover their guilt.
The Nuns were thrown under the bus for years by the ‘men’ of they church. So many Nuns do not even collect Social Security because they were never given wages - nothing was documented. What goodness remains in the church is carried by these women. The Nuns see the need for health care first hand - in caring for the poor and the elderly. If only the priests were as vocal about child rape as they are about health care reform.
I am a product of 16 years of Catholic education - but I give credit to not a single priest but to the many Nuns who taught me. Catholic Nuns were and are role models - simply by example of their lives. Nuns may be suppressed by the church but speak the truth and I feel such pride they have stood up to voice their support for health care legislation - the priests & bishops, on the other hand, spout the corporate line of the church - members of the big boys club so impressed with themselves -  still thinking they can fool the rest of us.

Hey, if we allow abortions to take place willy-nilly, where are all those bishops going to find an ample supply of choir boys? The nuns figured the game was up when brutalizing school kids was outlawed as assualt and, well, who never heard of convent abortions for the “good of the faith”?

hello. what do wealthy religious groups have to do with
tax paying Americans? i no longer hear of religions
paying the tab for hurt people. do they spend all their
wealth on art? they have no credible voice.

To Not One More!:
  As a firm supporter of single payer and a veteran of many, many years in the health care industry, I must say that we cannot allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.  We cannot allow insurance companies, big pharma, and big business another chance to delay any reform.  Even a flawed bill at this point is better than none. 
  Obama will survive if the bill is nixed.  It really matters little whether the Dems or Repugs take control in November.  What matters is starting a process that grows the pool of insured significantly - that blocks pre-existing condition obstacles - that removes lifetime caps - that blocks recission. 
  Right now the only thing that puts patients at the center of health care is the billing.  There was a time when the center was actual treatment.  Discrepancies in billing were addressed with providers, not patients.  The change was that insurers converted from mutual non-profits to all-out-for-profits.  Remember the adage that a man cannot serve two masters ?  An insurer cannot effectively protect patients and shareholders at the same time. 
  The Church used to serve the poor as a priority.  Now it too often allies itself with the wealthy.  If the anti-abortion forces really mean what they say, why do they call financial aid to single mothers “a handout”?  If they held the power of their own convictions, they would pay any price financially to support women and children - even when the kids are the result of unwanted pregnancies.

Then again, I suppose this debate is far preferable to the good bishops than one about the shell game played by a certain German Cardinal…

The Roman Catholic hierarchy’s views concerning abortion are well known.  They are certainly entitled to hold those beliefs, as well as to teach, preach and advocate in the political sphere for laws they believe are right.  But they are being fundamentally dishonest in trying to hold hostage a health care bill that will benefit millions in order to try to insert de facto abortion restrictions into a bill that, quite intentionally, avoided doing anything to change the current abortion law.  As bishops, if they believe the current laws are wrong or immoral, then their calling is to convert the hearts and minds of the public and the public’s representative; what they should not engage in, if they wish to retain any shred of credibility in the public sphere, is any attempts to obtain by coercion what they so far have been unable to obtain through moral suasion.

No group should be able to dictate a certain decision—moral, financial or political—affecting a majority who will be caused pain and suffering by that decision. The offense is not only in the suffering but in the power of the few over the many, which is, in itself, unjust.

Priests, politicians, policemen and plutocrats frequently put themselves in this position, and it takes a fifth “p” to amend the imbalance—people.

People teach people by how they behave. Priests of all stripes are organized just like an army; teaching by example that a bishop is more important than a priest and a priest more important than a person.

Christians are also aware of one of jesus’ logions [sayings]: ye shall always have poor among u! No god or god-loving-respecting of people wld ever say such a stupidity or lie.

And few people are secluded from life as priests are.
They also teach their serfs to be with us and not of us. Why? What is wrong with us that isn’t even more wrong with priests and their mental serfs?

In short, priests behave as separatists, supremacists,snake oil salesmen, liars, deceivers just like world plutos. And that’s why they support one another! tnx

Hey,

There are other compassionate people out there who want the bill defeated because it is no bill at all (abortion is not the issue). It will further remove single payer health care from being established, and in the long run more people may end up dying since the current bill will still be keeping a significant number of citizens without health care.

Is demanding that either we all get health care, or none, have a certain power to it, a commitment to each other?

If you are the one that is getting the health care, are you going to think it is good enough? And what if you are one of the people who will not be covered, should you think it was good enough?

Don’t support the health care bill because this will only serve to get the insurance industry further entrenched in the money, without providing health care for all. That is unacceptable.

Everybody keeps talking about how many more people will be added to the insured, but not the number that will still be excluded. A shame.