As usual, for those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who do not believe, no proof is adequate. Nothing has changed.

PG,
You seem awfully focused on that “race card”. You aren’t coming to the table with a few too many opinions up your sleeve, are you?

I talk with a lot of people over the course of a day and almost to a person, save perhaps for two people in particular, their dislike for the guy had nothing to do with the color of his skin. So, you can focus on it all you want, but you’re just spinning your wheels, wasting everyone’s time, and making yourself look like a real ass. As I had said before, had he done what he had promised he would do, no one would really give a shit, but then you come surfing in here with some apologist agenda, targeting “right wing trolls”, as you call
them, and basically leave the average person believing that our country is still plagued with “left wing trolls”, so thank you for bringing up that topic and making our point so abundantly clear.

Excellent BR549!!

Mack,
I think you’ve been watching too many of your movies. If race was so much a part of Obama’s current declining popularity, how the Christ did he ever manage to get elected? It was because of the promises he made and the promises he broke, and had he spilled the beans as to who and what forces were actually managing the wealth of this country, those same forces would have found some quick way to reduce his body temperature to that of the soil. Kennedy made that same mistake and look what they did to him.

No, the vast majority of Americans no longer give a crap about what color his skin was, but since he has repeatedly lied to all those he asked to support him, those same people are the ones who will hang him with his own words. It doesn’t take a lot of rocket science.

I may rail against him every day, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the color of his skin or the integrity of his parentage. It does have everything to do with his integrity, honesty, and transparency, which so far he has demonstrated none of ..... and I voted for him.

When people like Whoopi Goldberg and Eugene Robinson slither out from under their rocks and try to pass off the current disharmony as race related, they are in a total state of denial. Nearly every one of the investment houses I deal with is still admitting that Standard and Poors is padding the US credit rating and they are suggesting that their customers be very cautious about investments in this country. What the heck do you think that means? What does it also mean when the true unemployment figures are over double the lies that the government continues to pump out?

Yes this is about racism—Trump and others chose just the right weapon to bat
down just the right person.  It always has worked before, and it has worked
now to actually produce so much doubt about his citizenship among Republican
voters. This is done all the time to black people…but you’d have to be black or
be a close friend, a confidant, of a black person to know this. 

This is what makes me mad about all this.  When will black people have a right
to be flawed and human and still competitive?  In the movie, Look Who’s
Coming to Dinner, Hepburn/Tracy, parents of the bride, must explore their own
racial attitudes to accept Sidney Poitier as a son-in-law.  Now Sidney wasn’t a
postal worker or a middle school teacher.  He was a doctor, lawyer,
ambassador, author—he had every credential under the book.  But he still had
to pass the scrutiny of Tracy/Hepburn because he was a Negro. 

Black parents put a lot of pressure on their children to be perfect so that they
can pass this scrutiny, but they know it doesn’t matter.  Their child will still be
arrested and imprisoned or stopped because of color.

To most of you, this is a lot of hooey.  These things no longer happen.  We are a
color blind nation. 

Right.

Imagine if Trump had held off on his BC campaign to right before the election putting everyone into a frenzy. He might have become president. I’m sure Oprah will vote for him, though. And Schwarzenegger is going back to movies. It’s ALL good news today! VOTE 3RD PARTY, if you have the cajoles. Otherwise, go crawl back under your status quo-lined shells.

<applause>

I disagree with the racism accusation, however. If it were Hillary, it’d be about her vagina. If it were Kucinich, it’d be about his height. It doesn’t matter with these people; the accusation follows the anger, and any smear will do.

The takeaway from the birther stuff, which I think Robinson has gotten the closest to so far, is that we’re living in a post-factual society, where bodacious fantasies can drive policy decisions (witness the birther bills, tax cuts, and wars).  It’s a dangerous trend, and only by holding reason, facts, humility, and knowledge in high regard can we stop it.

I still have hope that most will eventually agree that facts and good logic should always have more weight in decision-making than the doubt-ridden contents of our own minds.

If not, we’re screwed. We might as well be animals.

joentokyo, April 30 at 6:14 pm
“Gene, you seem content to be an echo.”

Joe, the guy is playing to an empty room. Me, I just keep wondering how long he can hold on while and his buddy Soetoro continues to show us more of his true spots and Gene’s fantasy world is collapsing around him. Sad, really, that someone can be that out of touch. While Gene is still passing out Hope and Change T-shirts, the majority of investment advisors are telling everyone that the US has now become a lost cause and they have no problem pointing the finger at all three branches of government. The government has sold this country out from underneath us; meanwhile, they continue to argue and pontificate over who is to blame.

Obama is playing his fiddle and Gene is standing in the audience while the fire alarms are sounding. While the people are tripping over each other trying to get to the exits, Gene’s still swaying back and forth, totally entranced by the music of “Yes we can.”

Gene, you seem content to be an echo.

“It’s a pity that Barak Obama has acceded to the demands of individuals who are working solely to their own petty agenda..”
tedmurphy41, it’s funny how Obama timed it, isn’t it? After our Savvy Constitutional Law Professor declared that Bradley Manning was guilty before he was tried, he whips out his birth certificate as a distraction. “Look over here! My long-lost birth certificate!”
Brilliant!!!!
Frankly, I’m not looking for Obama’s birth certificate. I’d just like the notes taken when he negotiated for-profit health care behind closed doors. Or the behind-doors conversations on his Libyan War. Or all the other secret shenanigans he’s been up to since he took office.
Birth certificate, my ass: I want real accountability and transparency. I’m hoping he’ll have to whip out that birth certificate over and over in the next year in order to distract from some gaff or another he commits. The man is not exactly a genius when it comes to speaking one-on-one, is he?

tedmurphy41, April 30 at 1:43 am
“Now you know who the real enemy is, you can organise yourselves in order to defeat it for good, that is if you really want to!”

The only way out now is to hope enough voters haver become so disgusted with their legislators that they vote, en masse, for anything but the two party parasite platform. Congressional approval in the single digits? That’s about as popular as dog snot on the kitchen counter. And do you think these clowns give a crap? Are they sitting in little groups wondering about what they can do to reclaim the voters’ trust and confidence and to put integrity and morality back into our once proud system of government?

Fuck no, Boehner is probably out adjusting the timer on his tanning booth again, Pelosi continues to envision herself as Queen Elizabeth, and Rep. Peter King, it seems, was recently mailed a bloody pigs foot, no doubt because someone was so pleased with his performance as a racist, bigoted, fear monger that can’t sleep at night knowing that some citizen might own a gun. Where do these idiots come from? Do they hatch them somewhere?

There are a very small handful of these people (I hate to call the good ones “politicians” because that word has become so ugly, even more than before), who do understand the oath they took and we can only hope that enough American voters get the sleepers out of their eyes in time to break out of this bad habit of voting for only Republicans and Democrats. It’ll be up to them really, because without their help, there will be skyrocketing inflation and a possible revolution. Meanwhile these people will be still blaming the “other” parties for all of America’s woes, little believing that they could have had anything to do with the current state of affairs.

The Democrats and Republicans have been in control since forever and the agenda has stayed virtually the same; the expansion of empire under the guise of bullshit words like freedom and democracy. They allowed the big banks to control the country, they continued to be bribed and coerced into giving the banks even more control, and to this day, with their control over the media, far too many voters have never heard of the Bilderberg Group or why it it has so negatively influenced our economy, our morality, and our way of life.

Politicians see voters as mushrooms; just feed them shit and keep them in the dark, and as long those voters never question what is going on, their diet will remain the same. Republicans and Democrats endorse that diet for you, so here’s your fork. Dig in.

It’s a pity that Barak Obama has acceded to the demands of individuals who are working solely to their own petty agenda; like The Terminator, they will not stop, the proof now offered will only add to their obsession.
The best and only way to deal with these people is to ignore them and let them expend money and time on proving the impossible.
Ever since the second World War, America’s influence throughout the various Countries of the World has had a malign influence on it, until now, when it is currently starting to turn in on itself.
You don’t have to be Einsiein to work out the reasons why, as they have been exposed and out in the public arena for all to see, namely the previously faceless Corporations and their political football, the Republican party, along with certain spineless Democrats who must be included as part of this infamous crew.
Now you know who the real enemy is, you can organise yourselves in order to defeat it for good, that is if you really want to!

Gene,
Get over the race issue, ALREADY. It has NOTHING to do with race. NOTHING.
This is 2011 and nobody cares what color the guy is. Really. That isn’t why people are questioning his eligibility. They question it because he has broken every promise he made during his campaign and only served to further the Bush-Clinton-Bush war agenda. And the only thing they can do now, since the Congress seems to have lost its testicles and won’t impeach the SOB, is to challenge his eligibility, which is still a freakin’ mystery. Even Democrats are bailing on this stooge.

Perhaps when those election night 2008 goose bumps wear off, you might get your butt back in your chair and look into how many wars (actually, occupations) we are currently and needlessly involved in.

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Bob, are you paying any attention to Gene’s declining popularity? At some point the guy is going to have to either fish or cut bait. Right now, his cubicle is getting a bit “ripe”, if you get my meaning. The problem is that every article he writes has, out of some personal necessity, something to do with Obama and he’s still so hopelessly caught up with that Hope and Change crap, he’s lost any journalistic objectivity. This is supposed to be a news platform, isn’t it?

OH YEAH, PROVE IT! - epitomizes American ‘journalism’ today - a Carnival, indeed,
and Eugene Robinson tumbling with the clowns…  spineless as always, at least
until he challenges the puppet POTUS on the 4 wars he now has going and the
millions of dead in their wake - go embed yourself Robinson - breath a month’s
worth of DU oxide, then sire a mutant - that’ll give you something ‘serious’ to
write about

I will say now what I have been saying for over a year now. Go to Hawaii and get the birth Certificate and take it to a lab ( like on the tv show CSI ) a show the lab techs doing their work live on national TV . If the birth certificate proves to be real , that will be the end of the matter if it’s a fake then Joe Bidden can take over.

Eugene Robinson; ever the Obama apologist,
So you have put your objectivity blinders on once again and dismissed entirely the
myriad of objections from the graphic arts community, which is having a field day
with the numerous irregularities of this so-called “document”.

People who believe in ‘Objective Reality’ are fabulists, according to the Republican Manifesto.