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Posted on Nov 25, 2009
Thanksgiving
AP / Alex Brandon

By E.J. Dionne, Jr.

It’s now official: So in vogue are attacks on President Barack Obama that even his proclamation calling the nation to a day of Thanksgiving has become the focus of criticism.

Presidential Thanksgiving messages are a routine bit of executive prose that most attentive citizens happily ignore in this moment of national gratitude. But the sky-is-falling mood that now pervades Obama commentary couldn’t let this 435-word document pass without a few sniffs of disapproval.

The Gawker Web site called it an “uninspiring first effort from our most literary president” and expressed hope that he would spend “a little more time on it next year.” Politico damned it with faint analysis—it was “basic” and “brief” and “tread lightly” to avoid controversy.

Mostly, the message reiterated familiar Obama themes of diversity, community and service. The opening line referred to Thanksgiving as “a harvest celebration between European settlers and indigenous communities,” and Obama called attention to “the contributions of Native Americans, who helped the early colonists survive their first harsh winter and continue to strengthen our Nation.”

The holiday was also “a time for us to renew our bonds with one another, and we can fulfill that commitment by serving our communities and our Nation throughout the year.”

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Maybe they’ll surprise me, but I’m willing to bet that a right-wing talk jock near you will soon be declaring the “indigenous communities” reference to be “un-American,” and the call to service to be yet another shout-out to “socialism.” We’ll also hear that the document never uses the word “prayer,” and that its one nod to God is in a quotation from George Washington (unless you count its mention of “houses of worship,” and the “year of Our Lord” in the date).

Yes, I’m afraid things have gotten so vexed for Obama that Thanksgiving itself has become thankless. As it happens, that proclamation is revealing, but not necessarily in the ways his critics are likely to suggest. 

You wonder if Obama will use this brief respite for reflection to ponder how, in a year, he has been transformed from a man once seen as capable of parting raging seas to the object of a terrible hatred on the right and mild disappointment among his allies. His opponents are on the march, his friends are grumpy.

Obama might fairly repair to the comforting thought that he inherited an unparalleled combination of disasters in the economy and foreign policy, and created such a surge of hope that he was expected, unrealistically, to have put everything right by now.

He will eventually get to claim a great victory on health care. He helped the country avoid financial catastrophe. And isn’t he doing pretty well in the polls, given the afflictions of unemployment and other forms of economic carnage?

This line of thinking animates the White House. Obama’s aides say it reflects a side of him that many have found attractive: a cool, detached confidence in the long term that refuses to be disturbed by passing controversies and criticisms.

Yet there is a lesson for the president in the rote quality of his Thanksgiving proclamation that is significant only because it reveals Obama’s underlying problem: What the document lacked was any sense of fighting spirit, any larger purpose, any gauntlet thrown down before his foes.

Contrast it with a Thanksgiving message Franklin D. Roosevelt offered in 1934 that was unapologetic in declaring his political goals. “Our sense of social justice has deepened,” Roosevelt insisted. “We have been given vision to make new provisions for human welfare and happiness, and in a spirit of mutual helpfulness we have cooperated to translate vision into reality. ... We can truly say, ‘What profiteth it a nation if it gain the whole world and lose its own soul.’ ”

A year later, Roosevelt was at it again. “We can be grateful,” he wrote, “that selfish purpose of personal gain, at our neighbor’s loss, less strongly asserts itself.”

Roosevelt was no less pragmatic than Obama. He, too, was attacked demagogically as a “socialist,” and was equally loathed by his adversaries.

Yet Roosevelt was a “happy warrior,” a phrase he used about Al Smith that actually described FDR himself. He relished taking the fight to his enemies, once boasting: “I welcome their hatred.”

Obama will have more to be grateful for next Thanksgiving if he accepts that his foes intend to fight him for the next three years. He needs to discover the joy that FDR took in fighting back, even in official documents that normally pass unnoticed.
       
E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is ejdionne(at)washpost.com.
   
© 2009, Washington Post Writers Group


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By Shenonymous, December 4, 2009 at 6:13 am Link to this comment

I have never claimed to have good manners, so you lie, ardee, again your modus
operandi.  I am the most uncouth chick I know, it is my objective to be the best
there is at it.  But in your case, there is nothing you can be the best at, unless
nothing is a category.  Cut and paste is all you are capable of, thinking you have
come up with something cute to say, it is in reality nothing, so you are good
at….nothing.  QED and thanks for making my point.

By the way, what do you do to stop violence against women?

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By ardee, December 4, 2009 at 5:48 am Link to this comment

Yet again I note:


I temporarily suspend my ignoring of this broom riding witch to note only that her accusations avoid the obvious fact that her every response ot any who dare disagree with her own views are shrill, ,invective filled insults to rationality and good manners.

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By Shenonymous, December 4, 2009 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

I will temporarily suspend riding my sleek handled 2010 model broom (be careful
everyone) so I can give you the middle finger ardee which is all your comments are
ever worth. I’m sure I would like your sister and give her a medal for just being
related to you.  Why Leefeller I would never include anyone else in a blanket
comment as most do on Truthdig in their attempt to cover their butts by accusing
a crowd or hiding in one.  And I’m sure the rest of you all do appreciate it that
ardee and I limit our invectives to each other.  It is a sport as you know.

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By ardee, December 4, 2009 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

ardee, December 3 at 7:40 pm #

I temporarily suspend my ignoring of this broom riding witch to note only that her accusations avoid the obvious fact that her every response ot any who dare disagree with her own views are shrill, ,invective filled insults to rationality and good manners.

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By Leefeller, December 3, 2009 at 7:28 pm Link to this comment

johncp,

You talking to Me?  You talking to me?

In making direct comments, it is a nice gesture to indicate whom one are addressing? It is the polite thing to do.  At first I thought you were addressing me in the last post, after much finger nail biting, anxiousness and my feelers being hurt, I concluded it was not addressed to me?

One can say, Ardee and the Shester are glowing examples of the correct, even prodigious example in basic and correct techniques of posting. It is important in the posting scheme of things to follow procedures!  Others should be able to know if and when a conversation is directed to a specific them or others.  Instead of leaving the rest of the thread hanging out in the wind, this may be especially significant when one poster is suggesting another poster is riding a broom or the poster allegedly riding the broom, is espousing where to insert the broom handle!

Now, as for manners, they are a much different animal!

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By Shenonymous, December 3, 2009 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

By your comments ardee you are a very maladjusted and intractable person.  It
is probably an incurable disease of the mind.  You are not equipped to have a
decent argument, In all the time you have been a commenter on TD you have
never offered a well-constructed, provable, non-opinionated comment.  Many
besides myself have noted this on Truthdig.  My broom is used to sweep away
arrogant narcissistic assholes such as yourself that delivers nothing but mental
flotsam to these forums. 

It is plausible that you have some residual Freudian coldhearted hatred toward
women who are stronger minded and more successful than you, which would
not take much. I recall how you said you cannot forgive even your own sister
for years for some infraction you accuse her of.  You should retreat to the
snake hole out of which you came.

Sorry Leefeller, I cannot let this pervert’s comments pass by.

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By ardee, December 3, 2009 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

I temporarily suspend my ignoring of this broom riding witch to note only that her accusations avoid the obvious fact that her every response ot any who dare disagree with her own views are shrill, ,invective filled insults to rationality and good manners.

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By johncp, December 3, 2009 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

Only your vanity and arrogance could possibly prevent you from seeing the mountain of errors of judgment and fact you make in your most recent posts directed at me.  What is the use of arguing with you?  One such error occurs at the end of one of your posts, where you observe that I said you were “...out of your mind,” but fail to add why I said it.  It was because I thought you were standing in the way of other posters, simply attempting to state their views.  I have no douubt that you will respond to this post with further clever nonsense, including more accusations against me, mostly that I’m not qualified to make the arguments I make.  In fact, I don’t give a shit, that you think me incapable of anything.  Believe it or not, there actually are other people, besides yourself, on this list.  If, in your view,  I’m not fit to state my views, why don’t you simply ignore my posts and go about your business?

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By Leefeller, December 3, 2009 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

Joncap,

Assumptions as conclusions, seem prevalent when one is armed with a bag full of arguments which turn out not to be arguments at all!

Addressing me, by using my name with the following comment:

“Now you come to those who criticize his actions as cowardly and halfwitted, and tell us “he’s president; deal with it.” Holy shit man, take it easy.  You seem to be in a fit trying to discredit anyone that calls your precious Obama into question. You must be out of your mind”.

Now that I have returned to the scene of the quote, and realize it was not I, who was calling Joncap “cowardly and halfwitted”, but instead Joncap was criticizing the president as “cowardly and halfwitted”, clears up this little misunderstanding. 

Sorry about my expanded explanations, of Leefeller insulting words of preference, like the word imbecile and my thinking occasionally of the word twit!

Sometimes I become overly protective of these words and as I tried to explain “cowardly and halfwitted”, (halfwitted,may be spelled wrong?) these words have appeared recently used by others, actually quite often.  Occasionally directed towards me.  so! after crying for a very short period of time,  my defensive posturing takes over under duress of badgering, buggering and even slight perceived bleeding, again I refer to my bowling ball incident. 

What may have happened, in Joncaps case my proported vision of Joncap’s Hilliary 2012 campaign,  may have blinded me to lick old wounds. Forcing me to ignore what was really being said, so Johncap was really saying, nothing more than the slightest of slight insults or not even an insult at all, when Joncap said;

“LEEFELLER”
“Holy shit man, take it easy.  You seem to be in a fit trying to discredit anyone that calls your precious Obama into question,”

and finished with: “You must be out of your mind”.

“my precious” I cry when I think of the movie!

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By Leefeller, December 3, 2009 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

Will you kids kknock it off! You are embarrassing me in front of the turkey!

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By Shenonymous, December 3, 2009 at 6:25 am Link to this comment

So you are reduced to cursing are you ardee?!  You cannot rise above the pigpen
swill that swirls about in your brain.

I do not denigrate until it has been levied at me.  Just check the forums.  You are
nothing but a defensive liar.

I ride my broom with pride!

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By ardee, December 3, 2009 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, December 3 at 8:18 am #


And ardee, is another one unable to argue like an adult.  Hi ardee, I see you are
still at the namecalling stage.

**************************

I temporarily suspend my ignoring of this broom riding witch to note only that her accusations avoid the obvious fact that her every response ot any who dare disagree with her own views are shrill, ,invective filled insults to rationality and good manners.

F*#k you Shrew.

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By Shenonymous, December 3, 2009 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

And ardee, is another one unable to argue like an adult.  Hi ardee, I see you are
still at the namecalling stage.

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By Shenonymous, December 3, 2009 at 4:16 am Link to this comment

What I see here, since I never presume to include anyone besides myself let
alone everyone, is the shabby and fallacious way of thinking that accuses, calls
names, and is entirely and defensively unable to argue ably for any issue.  It is
the way of adolescence who offers excuses for the inability to give reasoned
opinions.  Because of that inability the accusation of bully is levied against
those who point out the shortcoming and all kinds of scurrying goes on behind
a “poor me, I’m a target” is expressed and asylum sought from some imaginary
ally to assuage the verbal bruises, and lick perceived wounds.  Else the posted
defense would not have shown up here.  I don’t find passionate argument
disagreeable, but rather have always enjoyed the strength of one who is
committed to their conviction and that has been shown over the years I have
been a participant on this website. 

If one is not capable of good and well-founded argument the strategy is to
snap and attack and accuse.  The style of argument on these threads is a
function of what is offered.  Your complaint johncp is like an allergic reaction
that you are just not equipped to actually manage.  Perhaps you are not
educated enough, not experienced enough.  This forum and others attract
many adult debaters.  There is no expectance of kindness nor tolerance for less
than intelligent and respectful discussion.  A review of this entire thread would
show how your accusations escalated the rancor that developed.  There are
awfully good adversaries on this forum, on all of Truthdig for that matter. 
Although very often, when felt warranted, grace is given.  There are those who
wage the fiercest verbal battles and either a withdrawal or better argument
occurs. 

Your diatribe here johncp shows me you simply are not up to the level of
argument expected on this forum.  Do retreat to Salon, or wherever you feel
more comfortable for I fear if you linger here, you will constantly be faced with
either a Shenonymous or a Leefeller of some kind.  For my part, I see how
green you are and will henceforth not pay any attention.

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By ardee, December 3, 2009 at 4:10 am Link to this comment

johncp, December 3 at 3:14 am

Human nature is what it is. I think, should you remain, you will find Leefeller not at all like Shrewnonymous.

Just my own opinion.

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By johncp, December 2, 2009 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment

What we see here, is a situation where people simply randomly congregate, to talk about a subject, for which Salon provides the stiumulus.  Most of us aren’t expert writers, or have profound knowledge about nearly anything discussed here.  Nearely all of us express our views on a subject, some more harshly, some less harshly than others, but “nearly” all of us stick, pretty closely to the subject, however passionately or dispassionatley.  But, whether your agree or not, what we see in these disputes, is something that occurs all too often on these lists.  There are almost inevitably a couple of posters, that are intent on forcing their views on others, and it doesn’t take long for them to show you how they’ll do it.  It’s not the “forcing” that is offensive, it’s the “how” they go about it.  If you state your opinions too passionately, these couple of bullies almost immediately stray completely from the subject at hand, and proceed to insult and demean everyone in their way.  These hateful people believe themselves to possess “special” knowledge, or they secretly harbor a common conceit often seen on these chatlists, that being that they’re enamoured of their writing style, not that this is objectionable in itself, but because they imagine this gives them the right to spit their vitriol at anyone that annoys them, with vicious and childish personal attack.  Whatever the cause, the outcome is always the same.  If you’re one of their targets, you’r faced with the decision either to continue with these adolescent battles, or turn away, and ignore them.  It’s really a much better choice, when you’re insulted, in this fashion, to ignore these pathetic people.  Once their fury is ignited, their blather degenerates further and further into infantalism and provocation.  They can’t stop, because this kind of sick trash is what they thrive on.

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By Shenonymous, December 2, 2009 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

Naw, we ain’t married, we jes be electronic siamese twins joined at the elbow,
that give us better ribbing power.  Hahahaha johncp.  We really are strangers and
have never met except years ago on TD.  Just as long, I have appreciated
Leefeller’s humor, which is way above your pinhead.  If he and I happen to have
the same view of you, well that is sufficient for me to think we are right!  Besides
Leefeller quotes Eric Hoffer often, which says in my book he is very cool.  You ain’t
cool, son.

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By johncp, December 2, 2009 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous and LeeFeller:

Are you two married?

Virtually everything both of you have said to me, is so completely, so self-servingly and hopelessly stupid, so precisely opposite of anything I feel or believe, I certainly won’t waste another minute responding to it. 

Suffice it to say, that TruthDig will take me off this list, not the likes of you two bullies.

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By Leefeller, December 2, 2009 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

With all the whining and gobbling going on, one could surmise even the Turkey which was reprieved from the chopping block, is upset with Obama! It is said the turkey wanted the photo op to be only taken from his good side!

Since I look at Obama as right of center, and I see myself, I guess as being left of center, my discontent is not wasted on Obama but directed toward the Senate. 

A Senate who keeps saying they know the pulse of America, and they know what the people want, (they must be watching Fox News)  it seems for example anything Obama supported or stated during the campaign as to what he wanted to hoped to see happen or change has been stiffened by resistance from special interests.  It is a given the Gopers are automatically against anything (except the excretion of war) and it seems the super majority democrats have their qualms about supporting something which does not fulfill their pet project lobbieists greatest fantasy dreams or the standard fair of good old pork barrels.

I snark the Senate, for they are the most ignoble of the lot. Interestingly both Obama and Hillery come from the Senate, but according to some Hillary via entitlement was much more qualified to be president, well she was married to one and worked for Walmart!

Obama inherited a clunker from Bush and Chaney and so now it is all his fault that we all have to ride in it together.  With a bunch of back seat drivelers.

Whine on, cry me a river, blame Obama, seems to be in vogue!  Lets sanction our new clunker thye Vouguemobile, sort of like the Popemobile without any rims or tires with pretzel segments and beer stains on the seats, thanks to the previeous owners!

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By Shenonymous, December 2, 2009 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

I blather but you bluster.  A verbal battle ensues:  I did see where you said you
are fantasizing back there on Dec 1 at 8:59am johncp.  But posting your lunatic
fantasy on TD has consequences.  Yeah, let’s have mob rule by the weezers.  A
weezer is one who imagines everyone agrees with him and uses the word we or
all when he wants to hide himself in an invented crowd, you know, there’s
magic in numbers
even if it is an imaginary group.  It is a common self-
delusional affliction.  You are not alone in that disease.  Epiphany is the only
treatment.

By the way, for the sake of argument, if no one else agrees with you, or say
just a few do, should it still be possible for you to remove a president from
office?  Just how democratic ought this power to be?  How far is straying too far
from campaign promises?  Have you thought this serious act through at all?  Or
are you just mouthing off a personal grievance?  And what would the process
be like to remove him?  Do you have some ‘cogent’ model?  What segment of
voters are you talking about?  Your own secret coven?  Or are you just
mouthing off a fantasy that has no basis in reality?  Yup yup yup yup yup Yes
you are quite mouthy with your opinions and have infantile solutions.  I think
you are just fishing for comrades.  Desperate for someone to agree with you. 
Not only is your fantasy fraught with immense complexities and obstacles, it is
fraught with chaotic adolescent naivete. 

It is your fantasy that the selection of a president should tie him to the railroad
tracks of campaign promises when he finds the world is much more immense
in complexities and obstacles than the ignorant public could ever know and the
veils of ignorance is lifted from his own eyes.  (But then you have inside
information, right?
But not about how he is fraught with a big-moneyed
factions whose own agendas are as important to them as yours are to you and
will only throw racist and self-serving boulders of resistance for every single
thing he tries to do even commute the axing of a turkey, how ridiculous,
besides his resolute obligation to protect this country to deal with irrational
self-serving sovereign nations that give refuge and sanctuary to world
criminals who daily murder innocent people and murdered nearly 3,000 here
one September a few years ago (guess you would rather forget about those
poor souls, heck they weren’t your relatives), or who would add to the
nuclear proliferation and exacerbate the likelihood of a nuclear war, hmmm oh
yeah, let’s let some disgruntled voter’s fantasy to bring the country down by
holding the president’s feet to the fire go without comment.  It is an asinine
fantasy.  No presidential candidate knows what the reality of world involvement
will be like when only a candidate.  Idealism is great until faced with reality.  It
is so easy to be glib with idle fantasies.  That is not to say the president should
not be criticized!  But there is a reason why there is no easy process to remove
him from office. 

Since one person’s opinion is worth as much as anyone else’s, it is my opinion
you are in an impetuous apparently habitually naive 72-year old’s dream world. 
Rather solipsistic musings.  But sho’nuf you have the right to bellow as much as
you like here on TD, there is no rule to keep imbeciles from ranting up the
wazoo.  I suggest that if anything sickens you, johncp, that you get yo’self to a
brain doctor, or take a laxative to self help that constipation you so adroitly
exhibit in yo’comments.

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By Leefeller, December 2, 2009 at 2:44 am Link to this comment

Joncap, were did you get the quotes from?

“Now you come to those who criticize his actions as cowardly and halfwitted, and tell us “he’s president; deal with it.”  You must be out of your mind.”

Interesting the world cowardly has appeared on TD lately most often, seems the rhetorical bag of tricks is waiting to do the martyr song and dance routine!

Joncap, seemingly starting to campaign for Hillery, because Palin is doing the same?  Hillary offers so much experience. Remember the days, when she told us she voted for something but hoped it would not pass, or was it the other way around?  Ah! those were the days, when Rhetoric had substance.

Yes, I did not like the 8 years of Chaney-Bush and I accepted it and did deal with it. Will not get into it here, but when Bush was Prsident, is when I had my accident with the bowling ball and the garage door!

Obama is doing a great job, the world loves us, U.S., while we emancipate yet another Democracy. Even Joncap could all the alleged huffing and puffing, do a better job. Johcap should really be happy,

Joncap is it possible, you are really a Republican getting ready for the new Hillary campagin in 2012, as a Hillary supporter questions arise, their seems to be a lacking of something? 

Speaking of words, Hafwitted and coward? I never have used either word, you may be thinking of someone else in the never ending game of illusions. Words never used by me, they just are words I have ever used. Occasionally I think of the word twit!

My insults of preference and happy favorites are imbecile -and idiot, stupid seems most insulting! Nope, never have I used the word halfwit, half-witted or cowardly so someone pulled the combo of words out of their magical hat!

Unless I am forgetting?  Joncap, please show me were I mentioned from the quotes?

“Now you come to those who criticize his actions as cowardly and halfwitted, and tell us “he’s president; deal with it.”  You must be out of your mind.”

Anyway I rather liked the cowardly Lion in the Wizard of Oz! As for halfwits, I much rather call them Imbeciles!
FYI: Imbeciles defined are stupid idiots.

Though I did mention something about an old man pissing in his pants, not knowing ones age or sexual preference!

Now, out of me mind, my charm school annalist is working on it with my occasional help!

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By johncp, December 1, 2009 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous
What blather.  It was a “fantasy,” not a suggestion, something I made abundantly clear.  When I posted this fantasy, I did so knowing that it was likely to arouse someone’s ire to the extent they would fail to allow for a distinction between fantasy and reality.  And sure enough…

You say it would be a disaster if presidents were made, “by partisans” to be thrown out of office for failing to “peddle their causes,” exactly what I asked for in my fantasy, because it seemed to me, that when I, as a partisan, put a democrat in office, and he turned out to be a closet republican, those dem partisans, who put him in office, should have a right to throw him out.  “Frivolous?”  Where did I use the word frivolous?  You used the word frivolous, didn’t you Shenon.?  You seem to think in a way perfectly designed to support the presidencies of halfwit scoundrels like GWB.  Let’s try to make this clear.  You seem to be suggesting that a president, the highest official in the country, should have the freedom to completely deceive the voting public while campaigning, then upon election, turn around and betray every promise he made, with impunity.  Obama is not an Emperor, he’s a president, and a lousy one at that.  He, more or less, “serves” the majority that put him in office, he doesn’t Command them, as you seem to think.  While we’re at this, we might as well point out that the president is, nominally, “commander” of the armed services.
But, I suspect, that, aside from his remarks in those carefully prepared and scripted speeches to the public, Obama, puppet that he is, has little or nothing to do with the wars he seems to direct.

It doesn’t take backbone, it takes youthful mindlessness to allow oneself to be killed fighting largely unnecessary wars to enrich old men.  I happen to be in this aged group.  I’ll soon be 72 yrs old.  Am I fit for military service? I certainly wouldn’t want to miss an opportunity to give my life to fight in one of those popular wars of Obama’s, which we all know, are being fought entirely in the best interests of the people of our great nation.  But, if my age disallows it, why don’t you go in my stead Shenon., and fight and die in Afghanistan, we allow women in the Armed Services.

What do I care whether the people you refer to on this list consider my remarks “cogent?”  Who told you that I give a shit whether anyone sees eye to eye with me?  Does the idea that your remarks here on this list are not striking the readers as “cogent,” bring sweat to your brow?  “You” seem to have all kinds of notions for which you have no evidence.  And, whether or not I’m a clown, has nothing to do with my conviction, a conviction I need not share with anyone else, that Obama is a clown, isn’t that right Shenon.?  I don’t pay much attention to how “cogent” the people who post to this, or other, lists are.  It’s only necessary that you be able to make a point clearly enough that any person of average intelligence can grasp it.  On the other hand, I place a good deal more importance on taking note of who it is that, in a debate, is first to use personal insult and ad hominem attacks when their ideas are under pressure.

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By johncp, December 1, 2009 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

LEEFELLER
Holy shit man, take it easy.  You seem to be in a fit trying to discredit anyone that calls your precious Obama into question. I don’t like the man.  I preferred Hillary, I would have preferred a couple of other candidates, but the American public didn’t get a chance to consider their accomplishments or qualifications.  Hillary is not “gone,” as you try to imply, she’s Sec. Of State, in case you didn’t notice.  In every country, it’s a staple of political reality, that the titular leader, is often or has come to be, despised by huge numbers of the citizenry, and other leaders in that country have more voter and public respect.

Would you be making these absurd remarks if it was Bush we were talking about?  Would you say “he’s president, deal with it?”  This is pure garbage.  No one has to deal with Obama that doesn’t want to deal with him.  He’s just a public official, doing a 2nd rate job.  Making the laughable observation, that “he’s president, deal with it,” is precisely the worst possible way to “deal” with a president.  I say, we ought to make clear our distaste for every one of his actions that fall short of “our” demands, and if there is not progress along those lines, we ought to give him his discharge orders, making it clear to him that he was lucky that our constitution allowed him one term.

So far, he’s been successful at doing what the war profiteers and Wall Street want him to do, and putting up, for the rest of us dopes, a teethy smile, banal and deceitful speeches, in the hope of keeping himself safe for re-election.  Obama is “our” employee, he has to live up to the expectations we have for him.  But there are people, many people, who have no expectations for their president.  Their Messiah can do no wrong; why?  Because they voted for the clown. 

Now you come to those who criticize his actions as cowardly and halfwitted, and tell us “he’s president; deal with it.”  You must be out of your mind.

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By Shenonymous, December 1, 2009 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment

Armed with just a slingshot, I’ll sally forth

ardee says Thus we the people suffer for it. Happy Thanksgiving. 
Question ardee:  Are you suffering?  Please say how you are, intrusive as the
question is but it is relevant to what you claim.  And do you think, then, with all
that suffering going on that anybody can have a Happy thanksgiving?  The
wish sounds a bit perverse.

So are you saying No_Man’s_Land (NML) we should all have voted for GWB? 
Since a third-party would never have beat GWB, Obama was the alternative.

Virginia777 at least is someone with a discriminating brain.  I’m sure she won’t
listen to the ranting fantesticles of tropicgirl.  There are a lot here who love to
read their own droning voice. And djnoll makes an amazing amount of sense.

Samson, great strategy. Election reform from the bottom up!  From the people
up!  I really like that.  Democracy works at the local level beautifully, given that
no mobster brutalizes or extorts the voters.  But the rest of your opinions are
not credible.  I hope you read Outraged’s very cogent comments to you (I’m
sure you will). 

amunaor you said Peace, Best Wishes and Hope.”  You said that with
tongue in cheek, right?  Like after telling how the Native Americans are
disenfranchised, I wonder to whom you are giving your salutation.  Surely not
the one’s who are stuffing their faces with T-Day turkey (BTW: Native
American’s eat turkey on Thanksgiving too!)  Check out
http://www.purewatergazette.net/nativeamericanthanksgiving.htm She is a
descendent of the Dineh nation who celebrates.  Some Native Americans do,
others make a protest or mourn.

melpol, how would you sift out the real criminals and the not-so-criminal
criminals?  Would you advocate no criminal be incarcerated? Or only no black
criminals?  Could you clarify your position please?

James Lupori makes a terrific observation.  Yeah, I agree with it. 

It’s optimistically surprising the number of commenters here who are
defending Obama, or at least not blowing poisoned darts at him.  His
Afghanistan plan is better than expected.

If the troops get fried, it will be because they used their general’s shortening
instead of olive oil.

Don’t forget bozhidar, the American military is a volunteer military.  That is the
gospel truth.

You can only register with all your heart and soul because you only have a
mouth and no backbone johncp.  You pointlessly make charges without any
substance or evidence.  You mouth opinions as if everybody ought to care what
you say so cavalierly but without cogency.  If anyone is a clown it is you sir. 
The frivolous removal of a president by partisans because he did not peddle
their causes would be a disaster for this country.  You would have coups and
banana republics unending and a destruction of America.  So I find your
suggestion quite subversive johncp.  Are you trying to overthrow our
government?  By the way I don’t try to be decent, it is not on the menu.

I would buy a war bond Dominick J.  I bet millions of Americans would too!

Obviously not a reader of world history, drbhelthi doesn’t realize that
conquering lands is the occupation of mankind since the days of the cave.  If
Europeans and American settlers wiped out the Native Americans, it is because
that is what men do to one another. Take a look at the Historical Body Count
site provided earlier.  It is a travesty what happened to the Native Americans
but it ought not to be surprising.  By the way Native Americans engaged in
warring against each other, and that history can be learned with just a google
search.  Broad brushstrokes dangerously lead to lies.

drbhelthi do you have a point in your Dec 1 at 11:22 post?

vwcat is fiesty!  Virginia777 needs more like her to stand shoulder to shoulder. 
I volunteer!  The progressive thralls are at it in full force.  And the rabid Right
guerillas as well.

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By Leefeller, December 1, 2009 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment

Joncap,

What! Did you not hear when Obama made it loud and vert clear he would try to take out AlQuada in Packistan if necessary during the campaign, seems someone was not listening? He never seemed a dove to me, so the Joncap prognosis seems prejudicial one may need to learn how to comprehend issues or plain not listening.

One thing Joncap may be saying is Obama did make himself seem the dove against Hillary, but he pulled a fast one on all of us when he was against the Vietnam Hero and his comic book side kick.

Crying about Hillary seems only to be sour-grapes and is becoming like an albatross about some folks necks. Between this and the Nader cry babies we have more whining comeing from the GOp tea bag crowed, never seen so much whining except maybe at the Republican convention.

Obama is the president! Deal with it, discuss the issues why bring up Mike Gravel, Hillery, Kucinich or anyone else for that matter, this seems like some old guy pissing in his pants, reminiscing about the good old days, reliving his life out loud! Very amusing but becoming annoying, some people have a problem accepting reality,

Lets reminisce.  Boy! I which I had my job back? Damn if only I was 20 years younger? Wish I had kept my 1969 Z28 and my Mad Magazine collection. What the hell happened to the six pack?

Thinking out loud are we?

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By Dominick J., December 1, 2009 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

Sorry folks BUT I just did a flip, flopp after hearing the Presidents speech this evening.  I can only say we can wait and see one more year.  His logic inn increasing the troops to 30,000 made a lot of sense and if that’s what it takes to get us out of there, then So Be It.  As for paying for this why isn’t anyone suggesting buying WAR Bonds?

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By johncp, December 1, 2009 at 6:45 pm Link to this comment

SHENONYMOUS
Your reply is almost humorous were it not depressingly devoid of common human decency.  We’re talking about “killing” people, and doing it with calculated military, and near, indifference.  What on earth reconciles you to such madness?  Obviously, I will not put my “body” on the line to stop Obama’s nightmarish, adolescent escapades, and by suggesting that I do this, you seem to be saying that you and others like you, will do nothing to stop Obama’s hawkish stupidities, but will actually encourage them.  I can assure you that I would not give a fingernail to stop Obama, since it’s the force of an outraged public that is needed here.  Obama’s deceit about his intentions, when he campaigned, and with breathtaking hypocrisy, making a spectacular fuss about Hillary’s ill-advised militancy, which he contrasted to the dovish “good judgment” he claimed for himself, largely led to his election.  But I will continue to register, “with all my heart and soul,” my strong opposition to this Wall Street stooge’s most offensive actions.  Why do I make such a seemingly pointless charge, about his subservience to Wall Street?  After all, don’t “they all” serve the Wall Street barons?  Yes, but at least, they have, with few exceptions, some redeeming measure of significant political experience and, I daresay, wisdom.

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By Dominick J., December 1, 2009 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

johncp I disagree with you only on one thing.  Obama is My President.  I campaigned for him, I donated to his campaign and I voted for him.  Because of his stance in Affhanastan, which makes me disgusted, I still can not disown him entirely as My President.

And Aaron you obviously don’t understand what a writer does.  They write opposing or it’s opposite,  they don’t need to present both sides of an issue, that seems to be left up to the posters here.  The posters present a variety of view points to what the author wrote.
Sometimes that’s refreshing—:O)

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By Shenonymous, December 1, 2009 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment

What I mean johncp, is that if his plan does not work out, why we will vote him
out of office.  That is our democratic legacy.  Obviously you are too impassioned
to discuss calmly.

I would be interested to see exactly how you would oppose and fight such
monstrous wrongs, such despicable behavior with all my heart and soul.
  I
noticed you did not include your body in that opposition, as I take heart to mean
emotion and soul as spirit.  Will you organize marches on Washington?  What will
you do?

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By Shenonymous, December 1, 2009 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

So johncp, have you booked a flight to Afghanistan to join the Taliban?  Cie la vie!

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By johncp, December 1, 2009 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous
This inevitablity thing gives sickens me.  So you think that if Obama is wrong, well, “ce la vie, it’s our legacy.”
It’s increasingly clear that Obama is wrong just in porportion to the gravity of the matter at hand.  He’s right about smoking pot, but wrong about matters of war and peace.  And, for my part, I’m damn well not going to say ce la vie if this clown is wrong about slaughtering thousands of people in Afganistan.  I will oppose and fight such monstrous wrongs, such despicable behavior with all my heart and soul.  Obama is not “my” president, except in the most trivial sense.  And, I’ll continue to strongly oppose him, even when, knowing what meaning or value I can assign to these polls, his “approval” rises above 50%.

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By Shenonymous, December 1, 2009 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

Putting things in an abbreviated historical perspective:
In his study, American Holocaust,  historian David Stannard estimates the total
cost of the near-extermination of the American Indians as 100,000,000.  That
is a hundred million.  Now there are about 2 million in the US and 1 million in
Canada.  Staggering don’t you think?  There is a website that tells the twenty
or so worst things people have done to each other.  Just in case you need this
“trivial” information, here is the website:
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm

They have not got around to the 21st century yet, nor calculated the end of the
20th century Vietnam or Bosnia/Chechnya wars, or the number of Armenians
killed when the statisticians get around to it, the list will have to be expanded
by three or four or so.  The eight major Crusades and two children’s crusades
from the 11th to 13 centuries because “God wills it?” was the battle cry killed
anywhere between 1 million to 5 million depending on which historian you read
and believe.  Would you say there was something incongruous with an allegedly
benign religion that was responsible for killing so many people, no?  Well. 
Historical Body Count is an interesting report.

So thinking about my personal situation I’d say I was thankful I live in the USA
in the 21st century and have never felt, for even one second, the horror of war. 
And this onmivore did get to enjoy roasted turkey and all the trimmings for
that special day while remembering all the starving in the world.  I admit I did
feel guilty, but, and a big BUT, I went ahead and ate, with my family, dinner
anyway.  I admit I had to disconnect from the guilt to have a nice time with
them. 

It has become a rather a noxious practice to continuously and relentlessly
criticize Obama for every breath he takes.  It has become a perverted pastime
in my view.  From the vantage point of this white woman, I cannot but help
think there is much racism involved as well as political envy in an equal
amount.  What an utterly pathetic thing to criticize him about a turkey. 
Shrunken brains at work there.  I don’t know if the sum total of his
administration will yield what we who voted for him expected, but we did vote
for him and he will take that opportunity to do what he thinks is the right thing,
whether we think he does or not. If he does, then we can dance our heart’s
desire-fulfilled victory, if he doesn’t then cie la vie!  That is our legacy.

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By Leefeller, December 1, 2009 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

Ardee,

We may be seeing the evolution of a Right Wing Comedian, though one cannot see his protruding forehead!

Reminds me of Limbaugh, Beck or Hannity with typing skills and a strange fetish for Propagandists!

Meanwhile I am,  still searching for another Genuine American!

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By ardee, December 1, 2009 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

I dont know about the Verne reference but this guy is increasingly hysterically funny, even moreso that you,Leefeller albeit in a rather creepy way.

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By Leefeller, December 1, 2009 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

Why do I feel as if I just opened a Jules Vern novel of attempted sarcasm?

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By drbhelthi, December 1, 2009 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

Propagandists are very reliable. They consistently
twist accuracy, scapegoat those who present accuracy
and attempt to question their sanity, while being
totally unqualified to question the sanity of anyone.
Other than their own.

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By ardee, December 1, 2009 at 5:56 am Link to this comment

Access to Internet information, or secret meetings with “german scientists” notwithstanding this poster’s calling a confirmed capitalist a communist certainly crosses the boundaries of both believability and ,in fact, calls into question his motivations if not his sanity.

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By johncp, December 1, 2009 at 4:59 am Link to this comment

DRBHELTHI
The Clintons, I make clear to you because your obvious political affiliations have not escaped me, are not unique in the extent of their wrongdoing, or the control exerted over them by various power elites.  What is unique, is the obsessiveness you seem to have with singling them out for demonization. 

I fantasize how much closer to a democratic ideal we could bring ourselves, if we made it possible to remove a president from office, if he strays too far from the promises he made when he campaigned for the job.  And, who would determine if he had strayed to that extent?  I say, let the “voters” decide.  I’m sure this fantasy is fraught with immense complexities and obstacles.  But it certainly would make a presidential candidate think twice about the extent to which he lied to the voters, while he sought election to office.

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By drbhelthi, December 1, 2009 at 4:42 am Link to this comment

All who comment to Truthdig have equal access to
the internet. While only a few have access to the German scientist who keeps me posted, Google provides accurate information: 
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/17187
Whether propagandists care to believe it,
is another question, since they support the issue
of their string-pullers.

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By ardee, December 1, 2009 at 3:52 am Link to this comment

Comrade Al Gore now admits that his „theory“ was a farce, which Scientists disproved from the get-go.

I do not know if Alfred Nobel is turning in his grave, but I suspect Aesop is doing exactly that at this silly attempt to force insanity as fact. Perhaps this “Doctor” might post a link to Mr. Gore’s sudden reversals? Or to sciences reversal as well….

It is worthy of note that the great majority of scientists back the theory of global warming and among those that do not a suspiciously large number earn their paychecks from the very industries that spew CO2 into the air.

Serves me right for breaking my own rule about reading this guys stuff….excuse me but I feel the need for a hot shower. Hopefully the good “Doctor” will feel the need for his medication.

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By drbhelthi, December 1, 2009 at 2:39 am Link to this comment

Qualifications, qualifications.
If it were possible, Nobel would be turning sommersaults in his grave.  A Nobel Prize has become a political endeavor, „une farce grande.“  Comrade Al Gore now admits that his „theory“ was a farce, which Scientists disproved from the get-go.  What more can be expected of a man whose sire was locally known as a „cattle thief“ fifty-five years ago in Tennessee, whose „favors“ led to his election to congress?  And a prize for the puppet of the family Rockefeller, primed for fifteen years to the tune of millions, who slides his pre-election promises into the continuous future? 

Reminds me of an event three years ago, when a US soldier retiree, senior NCO, stopped me to „say hello,“ after his six months of disappearance.  His palaver turned swiftly to his admiration and support for a Mrs. Hillary Clinton, for whom he requested my support.  To my question of her „superior qualifications“ he responded, „- man, she is beautiful ! “ for which I had no response.  Perhaps he was not aware of the quasi-legal favor she did for a John D. Rockefeller, when her husband was governor - which acquired the promise of the US presidency, eventually - or of the Mena connection, or of their about thirty prominent, former „very close acquaintances“ who met with weird deaths, nor of the Red List, the Blue List and her third list, nor of the available facts regarding the contrived death of JFK Jr and the congressional seat in focus.  Nor did I see fit to explain that he was not „Vince,“ and his fantasy imagery was as close as he would ever get to her.  I suspect that this wife would have appreciated the application of his fantasy imagery to her existence - - .

Qualifications, qualifications, and the fantasy illusions of some propagandists. „What you do speaks so loud, that I can not hear what you say.“

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By Leefeller, December 1, 2009 at 1:36 am Link to this comment

jonncp

“Hillary, being a woman and a Clinton, is demonized with the slightest provocation, is held to an impossible standard which requires that she be flawless, and was vehemently opposed from all sides, but especially and, to her great credit and honor, by mainstream media, tbereby proving to me, that she was, by far, the best candidate we had the opportunity to vote for, but, instead, we voted for a poseur, an incredibly deceitful and completely unqualified and inexperienced mediocrity’”

Your opinion as proclaimed seems to support my previous post, the above comments about Hillary as being demonized and held to a higher standrd has been and is still being touted by Palin on many occasions probably in her new comic book. The Democratic campaign was most ugly on both sides.

As to Hillary being the most qualified, one will never know.  My mentioning of Nader in the same sentence was for the posters here on TD, seems there are many Nader supporters who hold Obama to a higher standard as it seen from some Hilliary supporters.

As to Obama being unqualified and inexperienced in mediocrity, this sounds as my previous post was eluding to, very similar if not the same as GOP sourgrapes. As to higher standards the GOP does not seem to have any.

Hillery could have won the Nobil Peace Prize? Would Hillery have provded a position on her staff for Obama or would Obama be deemed completely unqualified by Hillary?

As for the Media, we agree they seemed biased, even to me as an Obama supporter.

One could speculate Hillery may have handled the Public Medical Plan much better. Looking back at her history, my feeling is Hillary had her hands deep in the pockets of corporations much deeper than I would hope. In the end they all may be opportunists just some more apparently so than others. The election may be over only for some of us.

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By tropicgirl, November 30, 2009 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment
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Dear johncp—

My heart truly goes out to you, sincerely and truly.

I understand the hope against hope that makes many, many, many people
yearn for their “idea” if Hillary. But don’t fall for it, my friend.

Bill Clinton was almost singlehandedly (if you can call a president’s actions
singlehanded, which I DO) ruined our economy by the repeal of Glast Steigell,
the institution of NAFTA, which destroyed the future of our college students,
and many other disgusting actions which made life so difficult for us now. One
can only assume, and she would back this up, I am sure, that Hillary was on
board for all of this. He was a stealth candidate, running in a disenfranchised
state that doesn’t care enough to vote. Add to the recipe the Chamber of
Commerce—viola! a candidate already compromised. That is the blueprint.

But all that aside, we need alternatives. Hillary is a lost, yesterday, Israeli-lovin’ 
DINO. She is no more progressive than Obama or no more liberal than
Lieberman.

If that’s your bag, man, I say, give yourself some guidelines and deadlines for
these people. Don’t open-end your support for them. They are pretty much
garbage, as I believe you will find, albeit, right now,  no alternatives are in
sight.

We just need to pray for alternatives. And they may not come from the
Democrats. Just sayin’. Good luck to you.

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By Dominick J., November 30, 2009 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment

re-create, re-create bojouis!!  You can not re-create a Known personality or politician.  Now the one who really was re-created was Palin!!  But she didn’t accept or even live up to her re-creation.  She re-evolved back into the dim wit she already was and if I may add still is!

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By johncp, November 30, 2009 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

TROPICGIRL
Another slam at Hillary.  As I said, she’s held to outrageous standards, which no other politician would dare rise to.  You say “the fat cats” will re-create Hillary, as if the fat cats would fail to re-create any other presidential hopeful.  Isn’t that obvious Tropic Girl?  Then, why do you point it out with Hillary, as if getting re-created is a unique event only affecting Hillary Clinton?  I supported Hillary, not because I had the remotest notion that she was anything approaching my idea of an ideal candidate, but because she was, easily, the best we had offered to us.  Unless you think the likes of Dodd or Biden or Edwards, or improbables like Kucinich, etc. were preferable.  What you do, if you still take part in the nearly useless process of voting in this country, is accept that your candidate is bought and sold, or, if not bought and sold, already and enthusiastically complicit along with the other elitists, or anxious to join their ranks (e.g. Obama), “then” you make an assessment of the remaining qualities a candidate offers.  In my view, Hillary, though the likelyhood was always low, had the greatest likelyhood, among all the candidates, of surprising us.  However “re-created” they are, there are always real, on occassion, unpredictible differences, I dare say, potentially even noble and praiseworthy, often unsuspected qualities and uniquenesses in these politcians, otherwise it would be unnecessary to dispose of the likes of Kennedy.

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By tropicgirl, November 30, 2009 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Outraged—
Re: tropicgirl
Are you crabby because you had to work the day after Thanksgiving….  Poor
baby.  Please give PROOF of your accusations.
Provide links to plausible news sources which show that any of your tyrannical,
hysterical screaming is valid.
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Personally I enjoy my job, outraged, and the freedom it entails. I’m not crabby.
Just disgusted.

But I’m not sure what you consider accusations. I actually discussed content,
not just an accusation, so I think the burden of proof is on you. I will admit it is
hard to pin this administration down on facts. As we have all seen, every time
we, or the press, critiques something like the health insurance bill, for
example, the response is often, “but that may not be in the final bill”... or
things like, this is just a “first step” or comments like that. That is my
disclaimer and if there is actual news on changes, I certainly am wanting to
know and look every day.

But, in the chance that you are actually seriously wanting to know, here goes
again…

1. There is no question that Obama participated in, and supported the effort to
hand over trillions tax dollars to crooked financial institutions with absolutely
no requirements for reform or even disclosure. Fact is, he defends it no matter
what part he had in it. Think that is an “accomplishment”?

2.  Federal contractors (like KBR, for example) repeatedly killed our
servicepeople with faulty electrical work. How’d you like to say, “my son died in
Iraq because of KBR’s shoddy work?” Prohibiting billing for expenses or re-
hiring people doesn’t cut it. And, OK, I’ll give you this one:

““EXCLUSIVE: No Prosecution for State Dept Official Accused of Sexual Assault
Justice Department Says Case ‘Declined for Prosecution,’ Request to Suspend
Official’s Security Clearance Denied
By BRIAN ROSS, MADDY SAUER and JUSTIN ROOD
Dec. 14, 2007

The Department of Justice declined to prosecute a State Department employee
who allegedly sexually assaulted a female Halliburton/KBR worker in Iraq,
despite a recommendation from the State Department that he be charged,
according to an internal document obtained by ABC News.”” (i suggest reading
the details).

The Obama administration has done nothing to reverse this. As president elect,
he could certainly have sent a message before actually taking the oath. So
when you talk about KBR doing ANYTHING honest, you must forgive me for
laughing.

As for the rest of his “accomplishments” its common knowledge that the
mortgage relief efforts, credit card reform, and efforts to reform the FED and
Wall Street compensation, have been watered-down, DISMAL FAILURES once
they reached legislation, which most did not. No clawbacks, no mortgage
lawsuits, nothing useful.

But what really gets me is the number of innocent servicepeople that will be
killed, many by friendly fire, in the next year or so while he pursues a
completely failed policy in Afghanistan. Many will commit suicide and the many
more that will become mentally disabled.

He is still drone-bombing innocent children, mothers, fathers while claiming
“women’s rights” in Afghanistan, a coward’s way to fight a war. Sanctioning
children in Iran will lead to death and sickness. He still allows spying on
Americans. We are still in Iraq messing around with their elections. Guess there
are not enough deals yet made for Chevron and the like.

Like I said to E.J., I’ve got a great big, nasty,“uncivilized” hammer of truth that I
will be pounding this administration with. And if it has to be in the eyes and
across the mouth, so be it. I’m not fooling around anymore. There are plenty of
facts out there if you want to know. It’s war on Obama time.

After his destruction, the fat cats will move on to re-creating Hillary (again).
And the cycle repeats.

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By rico, suave, November 30, 2009 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

Did you see the photo of Michelle Obama working at a soup kitchen? This “homeless” guy walks up and snaps her photo with his Blackberry.

Ah, poverty in America!

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By johncp, November 30, 2009 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

LEEFELLER
We’re constantly reminded that Obama won the election, as if that insures that leadership is also a given.  We’re not supposed to consider whether putting Hillary in the presidency was not at least an equally wise decision.  In your recent post you mention Hillary and Nader in the same breath.  I think you have a misconception about this contest.  Nader received a vanishingly small percentage of the vote.  Hillary, on the other hand, received, arguably, a slight majority of the votes for the nomination.  Most of the people that kept count of the outcome, including Wolf Blitzer, (no fan of Hillary’s) who followed the vote to the end on CNN, called the nomination vote for Hillary in 2 out 3 scenarios.  The hatred for this woman, among her opponents (and that includes many democrats, who hate her with the same passion as do nearly all republicans) is undying, and most assuredly a sentiment IN THE MINORITY among the public and the voter.  Hillary, being a woman and a Clinton, is demonized with the slightest provocation, is held to an impossible standard which requires that she be flawless, and was vehemently opposed from all sides, but especially and, to her great credit and honor, by mainstream media, tbereby proving to me, that she was, by far, the best candidate we had the opportunity to vote for, but, instead, we voted for a poseur, an incredibly deceitful and completely unqualified and inexperienced mediocrity, who based his entire campaign on creating the illusion that he was a more peaceful candidate, a lie so immense it should leave us all dumbfounded.  A readiness to promote war between the U.S. and other nations, when there is not the most convincing and overwhelming reasons for it, is the most dishonorable and despicable thing a president can do.

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By Dominick J., November 30, 2009 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

Hi glider,  Sorry yu see this as a “creme puff” review.  I and many more will see it as doing his job and getting things done.  But the truth of matter is he will be able to give a promising State of Union address.  We still have Hope for our country and that hope does lay in the hands of Obama, much to the dismay of others.

Thank you Leefeller.  I’m anxiosly awaiting on his, Obamas, report of Afghamistan too.  I don’t want us there, don’t think we need to be there especially with out “other” help.  But I have to hear his plan and that of those who seem to think we need to be there, for what reason and what cost.

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By glider, November 30, 2009 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

Dominick,
We can all only hope for such a cream puff review of our own job performance!

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By Leefeller, November 30, 2009 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

Dominick J.

My disappointment of Obama hinges on what I see as his war hawk embracing tendencies.

The Link Dominick J. posted is appropriate and provides a basic summation of the first year from an optimistic point of view.

Of course the pessimists will enjoy their usual kick and stomp approach to it. Aside from the bigots and racists, Gopers, (could be the same)  of course upset Hillaryites and Nader fans, Obama is faring well I would say. 

Now!  What is Obama going to do about the rising price of beer!

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By Dominick J., November 30, 2009 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

I forgot which article I was on when I posted a LONG list of Obamas accomplements and sort of got razzed, but before I had a chance to counter those, rather “the” person who wanted to have those items challanged, oh all he did was in his first 6 Months and more is going to follow before Obamas First year is up, THIS just came out:
http://www.slate.com/id/2236708/

Sorry if I’m in the wrong place BUT if you need I can furish that list here…

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By Glen Wayne, November 29, 2009 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

A Thanksgiving Quip     ePie     November 29th, 2009


Blink the double dip is comin

Get ready for the ride
the cogs crank on
tugging for the devils dip
an exhilaration slide
a frothy tide

A W is a double down
who said?: ‘This sucker could go down’

The lines are up
the trends are down?the gougers and the marks both frown

The first dip was the sucker that could
the second is the sucker that will
go double down

Hang on
the double dip is breathless
the double dip is logo less
It has the masters in a sweat
sweat Judas you ain’t seen nothin yet.

The double dip is comin
no index ain’t a divin
the sucker that could

...is the suck…..on the will

of the third reign of the W
the branded O of spare change
so
double down

There ain’t no balls in the soup
There ain’t no brains within range

Apocalyptic flicks have lost their luster
bullion over bread ain’t got no muster

Get ready for the double dip
the sucker that could
is the sucker that will

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By hopeychangey, November 29, 2009 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

Outraged - you’re a moron.  Go to bed.

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By Leefeller, November 29, 2009 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

It seems once upon a time I spent much time analyzing what he’s (the president) was actually doing and not saying and it still did not feel any better, we shall say these were the days of yor!

Which president best emulates the above comment were analyzing what they were doing and not saying was most important:

A Shrubs 1 and 2
B Cigar guy
C Peanut farmer
D Chimpanzie partner
E Guy who had a face which looked like a foot!
F all of the above!

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By Outraged, November 29, 2009 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

Re: Russian Paul

Your comment:  “We need to stop apologizing for this president and start analyzing what he’s actually doing, not saying.”

Although YOU claim it apologizing….. is it factually what you claim….?  In order to analyze what Pres. Obama is doing, one would need to research the information leading to the decisions he makes AND understand how America’s democracy works.  Additionally, if you would like others to engage your position, links to EVIDENCE from viable news sources would be in order.  I see none of this from yourself, nor many others….. none!

Our Secretary of State has said, “The proof is in the pudding”.  I agree.

I see blathering, accusations and obvious lies.  Another idiom (outside of Ms. Clinton’s) that I would engage, is this:  “Put up or shut up”.

Like you…... I don’t listen to what you are saying, but what you (and several others) DO.  The constant buzz from many comments are indicative of a malfunctioning neon light in a B-rated movie about the “sordid side of town”.  Always, we are in need of ignoring PROOF AND VIABILITY if we are to engage the mantra.  Horror flicks void of common-sense are engaged for comedic value….but never as some type of qualified heart stopper.

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By glider, November 29, 2009 at 5:56 am Link to this comment

To djnoll,
You make some good points about the limitations of Presidential power.  However, I think a president has more influence that you tend to acknowledge.  He is the defacto head of the majority party in Congress and was elected by a landslide.  He can propose legislation and use the power of the bully pulpit (particularly with his immense skills in this area) to rally support for that legislation.  He can twist arms behind the scenes and he can appoint cabinet members that will push for the progressive agendas he campaigned upon.  He is not doing any of these things in a manner that satisfies me.  If Obama was making a strong effort and running up against resistance I and others would support him.  However, we have seen nothing of the sort.  Instead, Obama seems quite happy with the watered down corporate leaning agenda going forward in these areas.  I see nothing to argue otherwise.  Simply look at his appointments and his lack of push on anything resembling a meaningful health care bill.  It is all paints a very consistent picture with this actually being his agenda.  Obama is not being thwarted and this is largely getting what he wants.  And that is the problem.

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By Russian Paul, November 29, 2009 at 2:50 am Link to this comment

johncp - really well put, thank you. We need to stop apologizing for this president
and start analyzing what he’s actually doing, not saying.

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By vwcat, November 28, 2009 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment
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Funny how little people who read about politics really understand about the reality of it.
Obama warned people on election night that we would not get there in a year or a term but, we would get there. 
But, he also warned that he could not do this himself.  He need us to help and be our own voice for action. 
How many heard his warnings, his cautioning us and have done what he said or even remembered.  Or were you too caught up in the fantasy of having a progressive oasis overnight to see the reality of it?
We railed against Bush for assuming dictatorial powers and when Obama restores them to the constitutional right, we rail because Obama does not over ride congress, their duties and say so and do as he wants.
I am so sick of spoiled and immature people on these sites sitting in their homes bitching about what is not done over night and yet, have not done anything, petitioned or made noise, ect and made your voices heard by congress.  It’s just so damn easy to just blame Obama for it all.
Complain about the rightwing and the teabaggers but, do you counter protest and help the guy out?  Do you fight back in the town halls against the bullies??
What the hell have you done beside blame Obama for everything???

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By johncp, November 28, 2009 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

I’ve noticed a relentless and frustrating situation becoming more and more obvious.  I dislike Obama, but won’t bother you with the details.  But what I’ve noticed, is that anytime some bad news, as viewed largely by the Left, comes to the surface, something which happens almost daily, we are served up another “poor Obama” piece, such as this Thanksgiving offering.  What should matter, is not how much “sympathy” we can muster for this inadequate president, but how clearly and faithfully we can define and describe the work he’s doing, or not doing, for the nation.  I have never seen such stubborn insistence from a variety of writers, to insure that any unpleasantness directed at Obama, however much it reflects reality, is immediately smothered in pity for the guy.  What is most absurd, is that his apologists and excuse-makers go about their work, as if Obama had not simply given us almost the same bunch of losers as were in government during the Bush reign.  Listen, it’s really OK to adversely criticise Obama as if her were the president, because he “is” the president.  When he blunders, as he does almost constantly, most of us suffer the consequences, however imperceptible such consequences often are.

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By Louche, November 28, 2009 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment
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You’re bloody well right I’m not thankful for Obama’s pathetic Thanksgiving speech. I’m not a hair thankful for the slaughter of 45 million turkeys that occurs for Thanksgiving each year in the U.S., so people can pack on an extra pound or two. I’m not thankful that Obama made the inverted turkey-sacrifice (raising a live one up to the gods and slaughtering the rest) into a joke, proclaiming that liberating a turkey is an unpresidential moment of the Presidency and continuously joking about he wants to “eat this sucker.” Don’t ask me to be thankful for that. At least he pretended to care about puppies… I guess he wouldn’t have gotten away with talking about eating a juicy puppy!

I have plenty of things to be thankful for, but this sure isn’t one of them. Adopt a vegan diet and prove to the world - and animals everywhere - that YOU are actually thankful for life, liberty, and happiness - as opposed to slaughter, servitude, and the reign of your fickle taste buds.

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By Shift, November 28, 2009 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

Obama is busily attempting to demonstrate that a black man too can be an elitist if he carries enough water.  Dionne is in active denial that the tsunami is upon us. How does he explain the wetness behind his ears?

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By Revin Floyd, November 28, 2009 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

Wow ardee, good summation of LimpBitch666!

Vituperative? Let’s see… get out my trusty little pocket thesaurus here… um, yup… Them is fightin’ words! I try to reduce what I say to words I can pronounce grin But more power to ya!!!

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By ardee, November 28, 2009 at 5:42 am Link to this comment

Virginia777, November 26 at 5:59 pm #

First of all, I am not going to respond to anything tropicgirl (or ardee) say, they are constantly hurling harsh, unfair insults at Obama here on Truthdig and yes, I completely suspect their motives.

So then, there is, in this posters mind, a difference between “hurling insults” at Obama and hurling them at those with whom Virgin666 disagrees.

On perusal those “insults” turn out to be rather accurate portrayals of President Obama’s decisions and comments about them. They have never descended to the vituperative nature of Virginia’s own “style” of response to others. I dare this moron to stop her (his?) screaming and post a paste of any such personal insult from me re: President Obama.

Pot meet freaking kettle.

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By Revin Floyd, November 28, 2009 at 5:00 am Link to this comment

Gotta Love EJ’s Little Fluffy Clouds articles! Always sure to get the rabble-rousers all up in a tizzy, and God bless them too!
As an anarchist (not a bad word if you know the meaning), I’ve always considered myself way the fuck off left of anyone Bill O’Reilly condemns each night as the “extremist fringe element of the far-left in this country…” But it’s interesting how the political tides shift. Today, nearly every time I comment in one of these forums, I’m immediately and repeatedly condemned as a “Right-Wing Nut”, a prejudiced troll with nothing else to do but support those who would bring their guns to church! But that’s so not me… As for anyone who thinks this is close minded group, just try hanging out over at Alternet for a while, Geeze!

So… E.J., you just keep writing your little fluffy cloud articles tantamount to the chatter of ducks in a feeding binge, and I’ll keep preaching to the choir and commenting to the rabble rousers you stir up here. Thanks!

And as for you Tropicgirl: Thank you so much for helping me with my homework!!! wink

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By Dominick J., November 28, 2009 at 12:21 am Link to this comment

John Hall right on!!

It doesn’t matter what Democrat was sitting in that office the GOP right wingers and there appears to be quite a few here, would still be saying the same things.  And if McCain got into office with you know who, I doubt seriously if things would’ve gotten any better as a matter of they’d be MUCH worse, Much, Much more worse.  With Obama in there, there is still hope and that’s what the GOP and the reight want to kill and I suppose some of those here too.  BUT as long as we have hope we can still make it out and into another 4 years of Obama.

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By Outraged, November 27, 2009 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment

Re: tropicgirl

Are you crabby because you had to work the day after Thanksgiving….  Poor baby.  Please give PROOF of your accusations.

Provide links to plausible news sources which show that any of your tyrannical, hysterical screaming is valid.

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By NIKHILANANDA, November 27, 2009 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment
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ALOHA:..... this has to be one of the more interesting spaces dealing with the body politic currently existing in the united states…. fascinating reading with much reflection .... the right-wing, christian fascists are alive and well and speedily infiltrating the democrat party…. that is why a strong green and/or some other truly progressive party is necessary….. obama has made minor adjustments on social policy; however, the corporations and wealthy individuals are as entrenched and in control as at any time during the past administrations….. we need to change how we elect our “representatives”; instant runoff voting, preferential voting and campaign finance reform must be adopted; otherwise, most things will stay the same and probably get worse…. aloha from the northshore of maui…. ;o}

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By omygodnotagain, November 27, 2009 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

I agree with Samson, Gilder et al, what has Obama or the Democrats done differently than Bush.
We are still in two wars, did he attack Corporate executive pay, no, did he stop credit card companies astronomical charging rates and fees, he keeps saber attling in Iran, did he facedown Israel over settlements, did he repeal the Patriot Act, he has endorsed every excess of the Bush administration. Now they are working on legislation to tnrottle the Internet, to control the flow of information. He is a spineless straw man, a marketing creation, owned by Lobbyists.
I have more respect for Pat Buchanan, Ralph Nader.

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By montanawildhack, November 27, 2009 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

Boring.

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By drbhelthi, November 27, 2009 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

It would be nice if the legislative branch and the executive branch followed US Constitutional mandate. The family Bush years with the executive declarations that annulled the US Constitution, which the good little monkey congress ultimately passed into law, seems to have altered the process somewhat.

Since there are no “American Indians,” I cannot enjoy an alleged event between Spanish, English, German, French mercenaries, and “Americans” with alleged “American Indians,” the honorable folk that these five foreign groups practically genocided out of existence.  Genocide in which Moslem folk played no part. However, for years I have enjoyed the saying of this honorable folk, “ what you do speaks so loud I cannot hear what you say.”  A practicable saying, invaluable.

The entirety of the North and South American continents and Central America had been populated for thousands of years by this folk.  Sociologists say that folk of Mongolia walked across the Aleutian chain thirty-thousand years ago, before the ocean turned it into islands.  So much for “icebergs melting and the rising of the oceans.” Related themes have earned a few million for the son of a former “cattle rustler” in Tennessee.

That which the Spanish, English, French, German conquerers with assistance of “Americans” did to the honorable inhabitants of these two continents, is being repeated now in the Near East and eastern Europe, by the same groups of conquistadors, this time led by “Americans”?  Eight hundred years ago, it was discovering “new” lands; later, “civilizing the savages” with european culture.  Now, under the guise of civilizing the alleged “moslem savages” with “democracy,” oil-rich territories are being re-settled.  The type of “democracy” practiced by A. Hitler and the NAZI party.  The type that the NAZIs brought to the USA, at the end of WWII.  The type that was removed from the “East Zone” in 1989, spearheaded by the Russian Gorbachev and the German Genscher.  Now, being imposed upon Moslemdom – excepting the Saudis ?  Why excepting the Saudis?  While some of the US NAZIs seem to be PCSing to Dubai ?  Greeted with “open arms”?  Eager to carry their suitcases of freshly-printed 100 $ bills ?

As far as Thanksgiving Day is concerned, it is still a day of remembrance and thanksgiving for me, regardless of the pimp-imposter occupying the US presidency.  I had a friend thirty-five years ago, a physician during WWII.  Bill told me how he had “seen” spirits departing from soldiers, dying on the battlefield. The living spirit departs, and the body returns to dirt, eventually.  The living spirit departs ?

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By gerard, November 27, 2009 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

djknoll, thank you!  Gets a little woozy in the last paragraph, but mostly a helpful reminder to us all—especially if we remember previous mistakes such as the virtual extermination of the native peoples, slavery, the military-prison-industrial complex, “Homeland Security, Inc.”, Iraq and Afghanistan, and our local homelsss encampment or pollution dump.  And are willing to turn off the TV and roll up our sleeves.

PS—When I looked at the accompanying picture, I must say I couldn’t help but identify with the turkey.

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By Steve E, November 27, 2009 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment
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I believe Obama is allowed a certain number of apologists. Hell, bush had plenty.
Remember that “Mission Accomplished” moment? The Shrub had a 95% approval
rating at that point in time. Have at it Dionne, spread your fluff and BS. Even the
uneducated sweaty masses are getting wise to Obama.

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By tropicgirl, November 27, 2009 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment
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And to Outraged… look a little deeper, I would suggest.

* Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay,
... THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER MEANS NOTHING AND HE HAS SINCE FIRED THE
“LEFTISTS” IN HIS WHITE HOUSE THAT WERE PUSHING FOR THIS. STAY TUNED
FOR COMPLETE REVERSAL..

* Reversed restrictions on stem cell research… THIS IS A BENEFIT FOR THE
HUGE BIOTECH CORPORATIONS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR SOUL and all their
SINCERE SCIENTISTS LONG AGO. BY THE WAY, WHOSE GETTING THE PATENTS?
CERTAINLY NOT THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER WHO are LOSING THEIR HOMES.

* Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act… REDUCING DISCRIMINATION?
ANOTHER HALF MEASURE.

* Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits int’l abortion
funding…  BUT THEN LAWS ARE ONLY FOR THOSE IN POWER.

* Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls ... SINCE OBAMA IS
ENGAGED IN KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN, WHO HE DOES NOT KNOW,
MICHELLE AND BARAK HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ADVICE THAT MOST PEOPLE
WOULD BE WILLING TO LISTEN TO.

* Signed a Presidental Memorandum extending federal benefits to same-sex
partners of federal workers… NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS TESTIFIED TO BY THE
SAME SEX PARTNERS OF FEDERAL WORKERS.

* Reverses U.S. position on LGBT Issues at the UN: At the “Durban Review
Conference,” U.S. supports language condemning…”SUPPORTS LANGUAGE?
LANGUAGE?  CREDIT COMES WHEN YOU ACTUALLY STOP A PRACTICE. WHAT A
JERK.

* Signed executive order requiring federal contractors to offer jobs to current
workers… TOO MANY LOOPHOLES TO MENTION AND TOO MANY FEDERAL
CONTRACTORS PERIOD.

* Reversed a Bush order requiring federal contractors to post notice that
workers can limit financial support of unions serving as their exclusive
bargaining representatives. BIG DEAL. MEANWHILE HE IS HELPING BAILED OUT
AUTO FIRMS RELOCATE THEIR JOBS OFFSHORE AND CUT BENEFITS TO UNIONS. .
LETS SEE HOW MANY POUND THE PAVEMENT FOR HIM EVER AGAIN.

* Signed executive order preventing federal contractors from being reimbursed
for expenses ... IF YOU CAN’T CONTROL FEDERAL CONTRACTORS FROM
ASSASSINATING INNOCENT PEOPLE, LIKE SPOOKS, AND RAPING THEIR OWN
WORKERS, WHAT KIND OF CHANCE DOES THIS HAVE?

* Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners. EVERYONE AGREES
THAT THIS JUST SPURRED ON MORE FORECLOSURES, ask BofA and CHASE
customers.

* Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home
Affordable plan to help Americans struggling… HAVE YOU SEEN THE SUCCESS
RATE OF THIS SO-CALLED PROGRAM? APPARENTLY NOT.

* Established a credit card “bill of rights”. THIS DID NOT PASS WITH ANY
CREDIBLE REFORM.AND, AS A RESULT, PEOPLE ARE GETTING SCREWED RIGHT
NOW TRIPLE TIME, IN ADVANCE.

* Expanded loan programs for small businesses. I’VE BEEN THROUGH THREE
SEPARATE LISTS OF ARC LOANS, PROVIDED BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
AND MY SENATOR. ALL OF THE BANKS I CALLED ARE NOT PARTICIPATING. AND
IF YOU DO FIND A BANK, THEY ARE ONLY SERVING THEIR OWN PREVIOUS
CUSTOMERS, like Suntrust.

* Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch. ANOTHER
SELF-CREATED DEMOCRATIC MESS.

* Expanded eligibility for State Children’s Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP). THIS
PLAN IS GOING TO BE ABOLISHED IF OBAMA’S HEALTH “REFORM” IS PASSED AND
ALL THESE KIDS WILL BE SHOVED INTO MEDICAID, WHICH HAS NOWHERE NEAR
THE BENEFITS.

You need new RahmDEADfish talking points, also.

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By Dee, November 27, 2009 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment
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I pray for this president daily. Bush/Cheney messed this country up!!!! Yet President Obama’s critics (including those who voted for him) expect him to clean or clear up 8 years of sustained MESS in less than a year. This is preposterous. The one thing that I would advise President Obama on is to forget about any cooperation from the GOP…...they hate him because he is NOT the GOP. And many of their followers hate him because he is a Black man in the White House. For those who claim that Bush was disliked and targeted, this was because of his disastrous EIGHT YEAR policies (i.e. invading Iraq) and because he was/is intellectual-challenged. I don’t agree with all of President Obama’s policies, but I am willing to give him a chance to govern and I pray that God will keep him in His safety…the same as I prayed for Bush.

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By tropicgirl, November 27, 2009 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment
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Virginia…

I believe its time for YOU to wake up. The left is not doing you ANY favors, unless you
are a broker or lobbyist or something (wouldn’t be surprised). And if you
would pay attention, just a little bit, instead of your daily work here for Obama,
you might actually learn something.

Your “suicide of the left” mantra is what makes you vote for losers time after
time.

And, Samson (and all the others, by the way) are correct in implying that
Obama is a Blue Dog Republican, so incredibly far from the left. He is liberal in
lies only. Obama is THE ONE trying to kill the public option and single payer.

Obama is rolling over the Afghanistan people like the American colonists rolled
over the American Indians, AND FOR THE SAME REASONS.

And Virginia—
Why are you picking on me and ardee? Pretty much everyone here has offered
substantial reasons why Obama is a liar and a loser. ALL YOU ARE DOING IS
BARKING AT PEOPLE AND NOT SPEAKING SUBSTANCE, LIKE ALL OTHERS ARE
TRYING TO DO, AND SUCCEEDING. And, if you venture out into the real world
you will find, all the other blogs today are doing the same. There is no
opportunity with Obama and Cinderella for ANY change. Where is it?

Is your idea of the “true left” a group that supports the theft on Wall Street? The
theft by health and credit corporations and banks, every day? The theft of
people’s homes? Is that “left”?

Or perhaps killing and spraying with white phosphorus (burns off skin)
innocent people in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and lets not forget the hundreds
of thousands of innocent people killed in Iraq, FOR NO REASON, is more to
your liking? Is that “the true left”? Kill the non-whites?

Or maybe torture and renditions, which are still going on, makes you feel
“lefty”? What about spying on Americans? That’s just fine and lefty to you?

How about putting people in jail for not buying crooked health insurance
policies? Perhaps you “true lefties” want to round us all up with a different
twist?

And how are YOU making things better, aside from pitching your trailer at this
blog and speaking RahmDEADfish talking points day after day?

And, true to todays trend from the left, and thanks to Obama and his new
“thought police”, your final comment is to try to stifle the criticism from people
who are not “the true left”. You are an Obama censorship dream. I just hope
you are getting paid for this because, as you say, defending Obama is a
complete waste of time.

(And you really need to address the complete lack of knowledge you have
regarding parties and tags. The “left” are not Obama “progressives”. OBAMA IS
NOT LIBERAL, and is so far from liberal and progressive IT IS NOT EVEN FUNNY.
The Democrats are not liberals, they are neo-liberals… (I think this is where
you land.) And the Republican version are called neocons.  Independents are
NOT centrist and the grassroots on both sides hate the neo- corporate’s of
both parties). You are confusing yourself. Hence the barking and lack of
substance.

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By djnoll, November 27, 2009 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

I find some of the comments interesting here about this speech.  Mostly I find it amazing that people do not understand that a President is suppose to be really little more than a cheerleader for the legislative branch.  The President can propose legislation, but it is Congress that imposes and implements such legislation.  The President can only veto legislation, and then Congress can still override that veto if it chooses. 

The President does not write legislation; he does not control the committees in which legislation is written, gutted, re-written; he does not determine what the final dollar amounts are or where they will ultimately be spent; he does not debate the legislation in Congress; and in a free democracy, he does not blackmail or use signing statements to ignore the Congressional bill.

In our democracy, our President leads, which means he sends proposed legislation when it is uniquely appropriate through the various departments that fall under the Executive Branch - not personally from his own desk.  This is why the appointment of staff and cabinet posts is so important, but even here, the President is subject to the whim of Congress who must approve the appointees.  His appointees are assumed to have the same agenda as the President, and for this President, that has meant most of his appointees have not made it past the GOP in the Senate and Senate procedural holds.

Filler Crowley wanted to know who the mythical people were who expected Obama to make instant changes.  Well, they are the ones who do not understand that the President is not a dictator who just hands out laws and everyone follows them.  If he were, as Bill Clinton once noted, governing would be so much easier. 

We are a nation that has had three things done to it over the last 30 years:  we have had our education system gutted so most citizens are not aware of what a President is suppose to do or how government works; we have been told to ignore what government does because it is acting to protect us; and finally, we have allowed corporations and special interests to tell us what to do, how to vote, and what to believe in without questioning any of it.  In short, we allowed ourselves to be dumbed down and conned! 

As a result of this, we have, as a collective whole, developed this idea that everything has to be done immediately and that unless it is done without us lifting a finger to help, we become like disgruntled children, whiny and nasty.  “These people” you refer to are not an epidemic - they are the vast American public.  And, they are looking for “President in a Cup” - you know, just add water and you get instant prosperity and everything looking all rosy again!  Sadly, the reality is that it does not work that way, and until we start educating our children and ourselves, we are doomed to continue this cycle until we cease to exist as a free, democratic nation.

Did the President’s speech make any significant statement?  Probably not, but it did remind us, or should have anyway if you listened, that we are a community of people who should care for and help each other through these difficult times.  It was not a policy statement, it was a statement about our core principles, something we seem to have lost track of over the last 8 years - that by helping each other and giving thanks together for what we do have, we can once again be a strong nation where compassion and a helping hand guide us in our actions.  It is not much of a message, I grant you, but it is one that built this nation over the last 380 years or so, and it is as true today as it was when the Pilgrims set foot on this land - help each other and you are stronger for it.  Maybe we, as a nation of such diverse people, should remember that.

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By no mans land, November 27, 2009 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

Glider:

No argument. What you said is exactly what I meant when I said that he “harnessed the populist anger” from the Bush years. Couple this with the mandate to purchase private insurance and it’s clear that we are living in what Chris Hedges calls the state of “neo-feudalism.” We are witnessing the fusion of government and corporate power to an extent that we have never seen. Our buying power will continue to diminish and more laws will be passed requiring us to hand over wealth to a corporate aristocracy. Its a brave new world we live in.

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By glider, November 27, 2009 at 8:57 am Link to this comment

No_Mans_Land
>>Unfortunately, we don’t tend to read between the lines very well as voters<<

Yes it is unfortunate, but that is reality and I don’t believe the public is the problem here, or a realistic target to change.  Rather we have a system in which politicians represent corporate benefactors and only rationalize resulting policy to the public.  So politicians distort their presentation to the public to the extent necessary to garner votes.  And we have forced purchases of overpriced health insurance being deceitfully repackaged as “HICs won’t be able to deny you coverage”, and the rest of the sugarcoating just evaporating.  Look up the word “betrayal” in the dictionary and I think you will find it fits this phenomena quite well.  IMO Obama pulled this stunt off better than any politician in my memory, and he makes a very strong case for campaign finance reform.

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By glider, November 27, 2009 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

No_Mans_Land
Hopefully we learned our lesson enough to remember it come the next election.  So yes I did hear Obama say that he would consult “all groups and industries”.  But even there all I can remember now is physician and single payer groups being arrested and excluded in the earlier positioning of the debate and Obama saying and doing absolutely nothing to contest it.  Everything he has done is consistent with promoting a health insurance company bailout and not an honest discourse amongst all groups to promote the healthcare of our citizens.  So again I ask how is that consistent with his f***ing message?  The point is that apart from reading between the lines, which is not an effective way to run a democracy, Obama deliberately mislead and lied to the American people in alliance with his corporate benefactors to win an election and execute their agenda.  For that, as a progressive, I am completely offended and distrustful of the man.  He lied to the public in order to steal campaign donations and unjustly win an election.  Why should I or anyone else think otherwise?

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By no mans land, November 27, 2009 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

Virginia777:

I categorically reject the notion that we all have to fall in line and coalesce around this man and this party in order to achieve what we want. It they enjoy an unbridled loyalty, what force is there to push them toward anything but their own ends? They will be lulled into a sense of security that only enables them to continue making a mockery of progressive ideals. That is not the act of an independent thinker, but that of a soldier. I am no soldier of the democratic party. On the contrary, that is precisely our problem in my opinion. We’re like the pathetic gambler who continues to bet the pot believing the house will reward him for his loyalty. They let us win small amounts and offer us free drinks, while the odds always favor the house. What the gambler should do is walk away.

Feel free to support whomever you wish, but I reject that a failure or refusal to support a party or a man that has not earned that loyalty is somehow an act of progressive treason, particularly when speaking truth to power is the conerstone of all progressive action.

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By no mans land, November 27, 2009 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

glider:

You’re right. He did put out very conflicting messages. Unfortunately, we don’t tend to read between the lines very well as voters. As you state, he told us that we all deserved the same health care as congress. But on the other, he also said that he was going to work with all groups, industries, and interests to bring them together to find solutions. I suppose to me, what lies between those lines is obvious. That’s kind of my point though. We, as voters, had some very selective hearing during the campaign. We either ignored the confliciting statements or failed to connect one to the other. When a politician says that we all deserve health care in one breath and in other that he is going to work with “all groups and industries,” the approach he’ll most likely take should be clear. We have to learn to read between the lines or we will continue to be let down.

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By ardee, November 27, 2009 at 6:59 am Link to this comment

and found another blog to write on
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Best news Ive had this morning..TaTa.

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By glider, November 27, 2009 at 5:51 am Link to this comment

An important question to ask ourselves to comprehend our grave situation;

Where would we be now if a feckless Obama had been elected instead of the gutsy strong leadership of FDR during the Depression?

Opportunity denied and corporate brown-nosing we can believe in?

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By glider, November 27, 2009 at 5:06 am Link to this comment

>>If the people who voted for him had actually read his platform and listened to the subtle clues during the campaign, they would see that he is governing exactly as he said he would<<

No_Man’s_Land,
I believe we are largely of the same mind with regards to where we need to go from here.  However, I strongly disagree that Obama was not deceitful in his campaign and that we are just getting what he pledged.  That I believe, is complete bullshit.  Did you ever go to his web site and read his policy statements?  Did you listen to his speeches?  I am not talking about reading between the lines.  I am talking about the message he sought to relay to get elected!  For healthcare reform he proposed in writing and speech a public option for all Americans.  He stated multiple times that “Americans deserve no less than the same health care program our congressman” benefited from.  Where the f*** is that now?  Where was his effort to push that result?  Whenever he was asked about who he would consult regarding the economy he would always bring up “Warren Buffet”.  Is it not disingenuous to then appoint Summers and Geitner and never talk to Buffet?  How the f*** is that consistent with his pre-election message?  The point is that the electorate should not be required to read between the lines to discern what a politician will deliver, although I agree that is what we have in this f****d up system.  If one is required to do that you have a dishonest politician on your hands.  I am absolutely tired of this bullshit line that Obama did not lie to the people in his campaign, and that we are just getting the leadership we elected.  The fact is Obama is a sleazy f***ing lying politican on the corporate take.  End of story.

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By Marc Schlee, November 27, 2009 at 5:06 am Link to this comment
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Fuck sniffs of disapproval.


The Left needs to pressure Obama until the pips squeak.


FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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By liecatcher, November 27, 2009 at 12:21 am Link to this comment

Obama’s Thankless Thanksgiving  
Posted on Nov 25, 2009
By E.J. Dionne

Hey E.J. Dionne:

When I read your

“He will eventually get to claim a great victory on
health care.
He helped the country avoid financial catastrophe.
And isn’t he
doing pretty well in the polls, given the
afflictions of unemployment
and other forms of economic carnage?”

My first thought was “how delusional & what pure
fecal vomiting”,

& was prepared to spell it out for you. Fortunately,
someone else

had already done it.

By Russian Paul, November 26 at 6:46 pm #
Dionne, you baffoon, Obama is spreading the lies of
the White Man, like any
other sellout president. Barry Obama is officially a
rich white guy. His one
sentence dedicated to “indigenous people” is nothing
special. We slaughtered
and took advantage of up to 100 million American
Indians and we ate their
food and then called it a “harvest celebration.” In
order to whitewash history we
continue to spread this lie.

Dionne wants to distort this and make it seem like
all of the criticism is coming
from the right. WELL IT ISN’T, BARACK OBAMA IS A
PHONY, A SHEEP IN WOLF’S
CLOTHING, AND AS HE ENJOYS HIS COZY THANKSGIVING
DINNER IN THE WHITE
HOUSE, THOSE ON THE RECEIVING END OF HIS NEOLIBERAL,
IMPERIALIST
POLICIES SUFFER. OBAMA IS AS MUCH A COLONIALIST AS
THOSE WHO
MURDERED THE AMERICAN INDIANS HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO.
Keep
defending Obama, Dionne, Virginia, etc. You have his
blood on your hands.
Happy Thanksgiving.

Thank you Russian Paul !!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Ouroborus, November 26, 2009 at 10:51 pm Link to this comment

amunaor, November 27 at 5:43 am #

It’s the first and only U.S. news I listen to every
day. Glad you enjoyed it.

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By amunaor, November 26, 2009 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

Thank you Ouroborus!

Thanks to Amy Goodman and Democracy Now for getting the news out. I have it marked as my home page when the browser is launched. Naomi Klein is a regular participant there also.

I remember when Buffy came along. I was heavily into the Moody Blues, during the later part of the 60’s when I heard a cut titled: God is Alive Magic is afoot. I thought it so brilliant that I purchased her album ILLUMINATIONS.

We need these type of philosophical troubadours, their harmonies permeating the airwaves, stirring critical introspection. What do we get? Industry canned - American Idol.

And this - Some People Just Don’t Have Maps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By gerard, November 26, 2009 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

I don’t want to see what I’m looking at, and I certainly don’t want to look at what I see—that is, the weakness and confusion of the American people in general.  Lack of education and information has been years in making itself obvious.  Lack of ability to come together on common goals and organize to bring them about stems, I think, from the isolating atomization of “rugged individualism”, competition, me-firstism.
  The inability to act is compounded by fears of retaliation—loss of job, loss of the “safety of the majority,” loss of confidence in political action, not wanting to risk opposition, be different, be thought of as a “kook,” get arrested for little or no reason, intimidation.
  Personally, I hold media very largely responsible because they have united to weaken the American people. feeding them sensationalism, lies and misinformation, consciouslyy and deliberately.  When you have chasms as wide as that between the reactionary right and the timid left. with the gulch between full of destructive sound and fury, it is a sign that healing is needed.
  Perhaps Obama thinks of himself as a healer and tried to make “non-partisan cooperation” work without understanding how wide the chasm had already become.  Perhaps he did not understand how “money-bound” America is now, and how deeply we are infected by the cynicism that only money can buy. At any rate, neither he nor his staff nor the Democratic party has moved strongly enough to indicate the changes the country needs.  And we individual citizens have not risen to the occasion yet, either.
  I keep hoping for a creative uprising of broad public leadership and constructive action to at least point a way out of the swamp that Bush/Cheney left behind them.  (Swamp meaning an economy dependent on war and run by a few people at the top who obviously don’t care about “liberty and justice for all” or any of those other “American values” we like to talk about but don’t care enough about to support.) Obviously, just being anti-war is not enough when we are locked into a war system.

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By Ouroborus, November 26, 2009 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

Amy Goodman has Buffy Saint-Marie on Democracy Now for
the whole show today;

http://www.democracynow.org/

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By Ouroborus, November 26, 2009 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

Howard Zinn must be gagging over Obama’s statement;

The opening line referred to Thanksgiving as “a
harvest celebration between European settlers and
indigenous communities,” and Obama called attention
to “the contributions of Native Americans, who helped
the early colonists survive their first harsh winter
and continue to strengthen our Nation.”
========================================

I should think anybody who knows the true history of
the U.S. couldn’t possibly “celebrate” Thanksgiving
Day. When history is written and taught by the
victors it isn’t history at all; it’s just lies.

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By bozhidar, November 26, 2009 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment
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Are US soldiers in iraq and afh’n pursuing happiness and right to life or death, injury, and misery?

But then the constitution may guaranty such rights only once they are guarding their homes and lives in US.

Even so, the constitution doesn’t say how-when-where-why to pursue happiness nor does it tell the pursuers how to know when they finally catch up to it. 
For if amers had that right anywhere at any time and for any reason and in a manner they desire if its in accord with the constitution to pursue life, liberty, and right to life, surely soldiers wld have never gone to wars in the first place.
But cunning scribes of that writ cleverly left out whenwhere-why-how! And deceived mns of own innocent people. So much for the holy writ. tnx

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By grahamhgreen, November 26, 2009 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

I just want to see if he pardons the turkey - AND THEN FRIES OUR TROOPS!

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By Lawlessone, November 26, 2009 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment
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Obama could offer to pave the streets with gold out of his own pocket and the Republicans would proclaim it was either the wrong color or too shiny.
So, isn’t it about time he recognized that for Republicans the words “cooperation,” “consensus,” “conciliation,” and “compromise” are nothing but curse words?  How about start he speaking out more for those who elected him rather than continue trying to placate the naysayers on autopilot?  He won’t succeed and it only makes him look ineffective.

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By John Hall, November 26, 2009 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment
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President Obama hasn’t been in office even a year and all I’ve seen and heard from Republicans is bitching and moaning about the job he’s done so far. All I’ve seen from people on both sides of politics that post blogs on this and other forums is bitching and moaning about the President. If you have any better ideas on how to run the country, than submit them or run for office. I’m all for constructive criticism but much of what I read is hateful and damaging, not insightful.

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By Outraged, November 26, 2009 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

Re: Samson
(part 2)

Additionally, as per your comment, “what on earth would make anyone think that Obama is a part of the ‘left’?”  Enjoy.

* Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year, ban torture and end the CIA’s secret overseas prisons and define treatment of Detainees.

* Reversed restrictions on stem cell research.

* Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Reducing discrimination based on gender, age, religion, or race.

* Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions. Gag rule revoked (Mexico City policy).

* Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls “to provide a coordinated federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and families.”

* Signed a Presidental Memorandum extending federal benefits to same-sex partners of federal workers and announced support for the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009.

* Reverses U.S. position on LGBT Issues at the UN: At the “Durban Review Conference,” U.S. supports language condemning “all forms of discrimination and all other human rights violations based on sexual orientation.”

* Signed executive order requiring federal contractors to offer jobs to current workers when contracts change.

* Reversed a Bush order requiring federal contractors to post notice that workers can limit financial support of unions serving as their exclusive bargaining representatives.

* Signed executive order preventing federal contractors from being reimbursed for expenses meant to influence workers deciding whether to form a union and engage in collective bargaining.

* Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.

* Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home Affordable plan to help Americans struggling with distressed mortgages refinance at lower interest rates, even if they owe up to 25 percent more than their homes are now worth.

* Established a credit card “bill of rights”.

* Expanded loan programs for small businesses.

* Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.

* Expanded eligibility for State Children’s Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP).

Btw, additional points are available.  Let me know.

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By Outraged, November 26, 2009 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

Re: Samson
(part 1)

Your comment: “Which side are you on?”

Certainly this is the question which should be asked of YOU, not Pres. Obama nor his supporters, nor even the MAJORITY of the Democrats (but sure, there’s a couple of opposition party hacks in the Democratic party).

You claim:
quote: “the whole bit about the ‘suicide of the left’ assumes that Obama is a part of the left. But, what on earth would make anyone think that Obama is a part of the ‘left’?

—is it his escalation of the wars that makes him a part of the left?
—is it his giving of trillions to wall street that makes him a part of the left?
—is it his fake ‘health reform’ effort that will only block reform until 2013, and then give corporations billions in mandated customers and a P0 billion taxpayer bailout that makes Obama a part of the left?
—is it his protection of all Bush and corporate criminals that makes Obama a part of the left?
—is it his continuation and expansion of domestic spying that makes Obama a part of the left?”

Which might sound like you are upset as a “lefty” because of these issues which you CLAIM bother your honest little heart.  The problem as I see it, is that you directly flip your supposed concern on end and proceed to CLAIM that,

quote:”The only thing that makes anyone thing that Obama is a part of the left is the campaign of lies that Obama told back in the Dem primaries to get the nomination.”

Obama did NOT sign the bailout bill, GW signed that bill.
Obama did NOT escalate the Iraq war.
Obama did NOT institute “fake healthcare reform”.
Obama did NOT protect ALL corporate criminals.
Obama did NOT expand domestic spying.

So Samson….., Which side are you on?  I can agree with you that there definitely IS a campaign of lies swirling around the political blogs, my sense is that it comes from the EXTREMISTS, left and right.

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By James Lupori, November 26, 2009 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment
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Regarding Filler Crowley (commentator below):

“All right, this is a meme that has to die. Who are these mythical people who were expecting Obama to redeem us instantly? I’ve never met, heard about, or read anything by one of these people, but apparently they’re a fucking epidemic.”

Filler - You’ve identified one of the great propaganda talking points used by Obama critics (on both sides).

Right after President Obama’s victory last year he was labeled “The Annointed One and Savior” not by liberals but by the Political Right. Like you, I never heard this label from a single supporter.

So, those of you who are spewing the endless complaints about President Obama have either bought into the right wing propaganda or you’re simply unrealistic about the way the world works.

I blame the current state of affairs on liberals and progressives for their (collective) lack of courage to do simple things to change this country: quit accepting what the Media tells you, email and call your representatives and tell them what you want and, if you feel THAT UPSET, get your asses out in the streets and protest.

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By Russian Paul, November 26, 2009 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

Dionne, you baffoon, Obama is spreading the lies of the White Man, like any
other sellout president. Barry Obama is officially a rich white guy. His one
sentence dedicated to “indigenous people” is nothing special. We slaughtered
and took advantage of up to 100 million American Indians and we ate their
food and then called it a “harvest celebration.” In order to whitewash history we
continue to spread this lie.

Dionne wants to distort this and make it seem like all of the criticism is coming
from the right. WELL IT ISN’T, BARACK OBAMA IS A PHONY, A SHEEP IN WOLF’S
CLOTHING, AND AS HE ENJOYS HIS COZY THANKSGIVING DINNER IN THE WHITE
HOUSE, THOSE ON THE RECEIVING END OF HIS NEOLIBERAL, IMPERIALIST
POLICIES SUFFER. OBAMA IS AS MUCH A COLONIALIST AS THOSE WHO
MURDERED THE AMERICAN INDIANS HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO. Keep
defending Obama, Dionne, Virginia, etc. You have his blood on your hands.
Happy Thanksgiving.

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