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Obama by Default

Posted on Apr 4, 2012
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Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

By Robert Scheer

The Republicans are a sick joke, and their narrow ideological stupidity has left rational voters no choice in the coming presidential election but Barack Obama. With Ron Paul out of it and warmongering hedge fund hustler Mitt Romney the likely Republican nominee, the GOP has defined itself indelibly as the party of moneyed greed and unfettered imperialism.

It is with chilling certainty that one can predict that a single Romney appointee to the Supreme Court would seal the coup of the 1 percent that already is well on its way toward purchasing the nation’s political soul. Romney is the quintessential Citizens United super PAC candidate, a man who has turned avarice into virtue and comes to us now as a once-moderate politician transformed into the ultimate prophet of imperial hubris, blaming everyone from the Chinese to laid-off American workers for our problems. Everyone, that is, except the Wall Street-dominated GOP, which midwifed the Great Recession under George W. Bush and now seeks to blame Obama for the enormous deficit spawned by the party’s wanton behavior.

Without a militarily sophisticated enemy anywhere on the planet, the United States, thanks to the Bush-bloated budget, now spends almost as much on defense as the rest of the world combined. Yet the GOP honchos dare claim they are for small government even as their chosen candidate champs at the bit to go to war with Iran.

They obviously learned nothing from the disasters of Bush the Second, who hijacked the tragedy of 9/11 to launch the most wasteful orgy of military spending in U.S. history in his failed effort to take out an al-Qaida enemy that had no significant military arsenal. That enemy was later eliminated by Obama, whom the Republicans still obstinately refuse to credit for accomplishing what Bush failed to. Can you imagine the explosion of preening self-congratulation that would have resulted if a GOP president had done the deed?

The red-ink deficits that had been stanched under Bill Clinton came to gush uncontrollably because of the swollen military budgets, compounded by the severe costs of the recession that occurred on Bush’s watch.


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But the Republicans refuse to take ownership of the collapse resulting from their longstanding advocacy of radical financial deregulation that led to the derivatives bubble, hundreds of trillions of dollars of toxic junk, now a permanent, nightmarish feature of the world’s economy. Romney, who made his fortune through such financial finagling, even has the effrontery to call for more of the same and blame Obama’s tepid efforts at establishing some sane speed limits for the financial highway as a cause of our ongoing crisis.

So insanely gullible are Republican voters that they buy Mitt’s line that bailing out the auto industry to save the heart of America’s legendary industrial base was an example of big-government waste. Yet to them the almost unimaginable sum spent on the Wall Street bailout represents prudent small-government fiscal responsibility.

The incumbent president has his failings, but compared to Mitt Romney he is a paradigm of considered and compassionate thought. As Obama put it in a speech before a journalism group this week, we are saddled with a national debt “that has grown over the last decade, primarily as a result of two wars, two massive tax cuts, and an unprecedented financial crisis, [and] that will have to be paid down.” But instead of dealing with the causes of that debt, Romney has called for an increase in military spending, continued tax breaks for the rich and reversal of the very limited restraints on corporate greed that Obama managed to get through Congress. He has endorsed the House-passed Paul Ryan budget, which, as Obama noted, even Newt Gingrich once derided as “radical” and an effort at “right-wing social engineering.”

Such radicalism leaves Obama as the “moderate” choice in the coming election, defending centrist programs that Republicans in the past helped originate. Indeed, the big attack on Obama will involve what the Republicans call Obamacare—which was modeled in every important respect on Romneycare, enacted when the GOP candidate was governor of Massachusetts.

The overarching lesson of this primary season is that Romney and the Republicans he seeks to win over are incapable of embracing the very moderation that, particularly in the golden era of Dwight Eisenhower, defined the party. Instead, they are now a reckless force bent on destroying the essential social contract that has been the basis of America’s economic and social progress.

As Obama said Tuesday in addressing the editors and reporters: “... We’re going to have to answer a central question as a nation. ... Can we succeed as a country where a shrinking number of people do exceedingly well, while a growing number struggle to get by? ... This is not just another run-of-the-mill political debate. ... It’s the defining issue of our time.”

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By Shenonymous, April 8, 2012 at 1:42 pm Link to this comment

Hi MaxShields, we meet again.  Generally you are right, a third-party
candidate who might win some political office at the Washington level
will not have much of a coterie to caucus with, would find themselves
doing the lesser evil dance too and vote with the liberals.  One will
certainly not win the presidency! 

Now that you have passed judgment on me along with all the other
macho truthdippers as well, me, the fundamentalist-liberal-centrist-
most-TD-reviled-Democrat, will do the lesser-evil dance also which is
what all we voters do every election cycle, and that is the reality.  We
always have to make tradeoffs when it comes to election politics.  There
is never the perfect god-like politician. 

Or do you think there is?  Maybe you wouldn’t mind saying precisely
how you would realistically recreate Congress and the POTUS to run
the country in the next four years?  Ain’t no simpering third-partier
gonnadoit.  But the third-partiers who constantly carp, criticize, and
depreciate liberals do not say how they would comprehensively effect
enough change to do any good for all of the people.  For if they
advocated for the people they would transform into liberals.  So yeah,
the lesser evil is what we are stuck with.  Yeah, that black man, oh
shudder you Ultra-Right Wing Racist Conservatives, who is limping
through the more than a little bit more to the Right Congress, UNLESS
the flavor of the Congress is liberalized in 2012.  Let some Greens
replace some of those Bluedogs or Conservatives in Congress.  that
would be splendid!  Where exactly are they running?  Pretty quiet they
are on the campaign trail for state or Congressional seats.  Then we will
see how they handle the severe problems that exist at the national
level.  Then Obama won’t have anything to lose and will, as the fire he is
now stoking gives his Hulk nature the boxing ring to slugfest it out with
the Republicans, he will deliver on his campaign promises.  For my part,
my consistent intention is to defeat Republicans in every election
possible.  I do have concern about the composition of the Supreme
Court and that is something every American who is not in the upper
echelons of income ought to be concerned about.

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By Leefeller, April 8, 2012 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

Well, being accused a clone of Shester is not only amusing, but a strange complement, except may be an insult to her?  When considering the depleted source of the attack leveas little to ponder, now if someone else whom I respected; stated I was a clone of mooning,  me thinks this would be a low blow personal attack.

Like I have stated before, my favorite Neanderthal attempted insult was when some Tea Bagger called me a ‘Nazi Zionist with Jack boot on!” Yeah that’s me all right the clone, some people know what clone actually means and as we can see some have little idea of what they spew!

Well…. cloney me, still says get the money out!

Tequila Break!

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By moonraven, April 8, 2012 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment


There is only one way that is a rational posture when evaluatating the US political system:

Voting is for suckers.

The rich do not vote—they simply hire the president and congressfolks that they want to represent THEM.

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By MaxShields, April 8, 2012 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

I will say this much for Shenonymous, unlike Scheer, she’s not a cynic. And that does count for something.

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By MaxShields, April 8, 2012 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

Must be presidential election season. All the “Obama just couldn’t do it” excuses come out of the proverbial woodwork.

It’s already been stated he had, perhaps the most significant mandate with a stacked political deck and wind fully at his back…

There are two ways to think of this: he, as a leader, should be fired because he couldn’t get it done; or the system we are operating under is destined to maintain the status quo. I suspect the latter.

I don’t think a third party of any sort will change the status quo. The power in place must be utterly changed and a means of transformation must take place outside the system which will forever stubbornly protect itself from any sort of fundamental change.

What Shenonymous is really the status quo. Change comes in the form of superficialities. Everything else is simply impractical…dontchaknow…

But the Green Party (and yes Ms Stein has a great head on her shoulders, and very agreeable ideas) cannot be in power without becoming doing what it takes to be and stay in power. In fact we are so fearful at confronting (or perhaps perplexed) this enigma of change, that we have people in the streets (OWS) would cannot provide a focus for change. They fear disclosure would be readily coopted and so absorbed by the status quo…and perhaps they are right. Perhaps we want to change the status quo; but we know that that undertaking is frought with angst of “power dynamics”. Collapse will lead us somewhere out of this but where…I think we’ll need to forthrightly start planning the replacement rather than playing this seasonal game that appears every 4 years when Shenonymous, et al does there little lesser-evil dance.

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By heterochromatic, April 8, 2012 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

truth is a perfect defense.

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By moonraven, April 8, 2012 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

Saying that I am “full of shit” is a personal attack.

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By heterochromatic, April 8, 2012 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

maybe if you weren’t so full of shit making the charge, it would be as you try to
make it out.

as you are merely shitting everyone, they most definitely ARE personal attacks.

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By moonraven, April 8, 2012 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

No, it is not a personal attack.

It is an ALERT to other posters as well as to the editors of Truthdig that some folks here, including you, are violating the rules of the site by posting under more than one posting name on the same thread.

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By heterochromatic, April 8, 2012 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

moonie—- your bullshit charges about people being clones are not personal

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By moonraven, April 8, 2012 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

I see we have another poster cloning itself on this thread.

Shenny and Leefeeler are the same racist poster and it is a sore loser.

And I don’t refer to voting for dandidates—I refer to being sore because it was not immediately placed on the Forbes list of billionaires because of being white.

And it is especially sore NOW, because the world’s richest man is a Mexican.

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By heterochromatic, April 8, 2012 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

oregonzo——- the Congress was quite a bit to the right of Obama…... and party
discipline doesn’t exist in the Democratic Party membership of Congress to any
great extent.

the lousy healthcare reform bills that Obama barely managed to squeak through
Congress were as good as possible and were pushed through at great cost.

these lousy bills were a great accomplishment….. if they prove to be the first step.

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By Leefeller, April 8, 2012 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

mfreeze, Previous comment about local politics in your community, does seem real when I look at our local political scene. Apparently some or many people who run for office think this makes them the boss and they are the deciders of what will be propagated in their gardens. Yes accountability is absent and I find this makes for what OWS called attention to, ‘disfranchisement’ is real and doing well.

As for revolutions, .... give me a break clowns, Mexico has had a number of revolutions and the only change is a return to the same thing they had before,... just more corruption continuing to go wild, now Cuba, this is a different story, do which is better?

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By oregoncharles, April 8, 2012 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

Xingqing:  Thank you!

Heterochromatic:  “Obama…wasn’t given a magic wand.”  But he was, or the closest thing to it:  elected by a wide marge in a huge wave of enthusiasm on the platform of “Change!”, plus lopsided control of both Houses of Congress.  That’s the Trifecta.  And then, in the very next election, a severe drubbing - though even then they only lost one house of congress.

That last part means that he and the Democrats did NOT deliver what the people expected.  At best, he was a miserable failure as a President.  The only reason he can now expect to be re-elected is that the Republicans are effectively throwing the election - nominating someone even they don’t like to make sure.  His approval rating is still below 50%, which tells you he sure is doing SOMETHING wrong.

And we all know what it is, even the blind partisans: he was elected by the 99% and governed for the 1%.  That’s why the Republicans are actually, despite all their rhetoric, happy to leave him in office.

He’s their poodle.

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By Shenonymous, April 8, 2012 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

I did not say Bernie Sanders was a Democrat. BUT he has voted with
the Democrats as long as his Socialist Voter Registration application
has been in effect.  That is because he sees the value in numbers and
how to possibly get his really liberal values enacted into law.  Yes,
Vermont does swing!  Howard Dean is from Vermont and you see what
the Right-Wing did to his scream of victory!  Yeowie Kazowie!  I would
be most happy if he were to run again, but he won’t nor will Sanders at
least not this POTUS go around.  IF Sanders were a Green supporter he
would have switched parties long ago.  And yes, he is living proof that
one can live outside of the 2-party system.  But he is a majority of one
out of 100 senators.  Lieberman is independent but nearly always votes
with the Republican contingent.  So do the two non-major party
politicians actually cancel each other out?

What can the Greens do to get their agenda in the public domain?  Well
for one thing they can have public protests.  The Occupiers get a lot of
free press that way.  Advertise on the ‘Net in every place possible.  Find
wealthy donors to pay running candidates at the local level elections, get
Greens elected to state legislature or even governorships.  What an idea! 
Keep the Green agenda in the public’s face in whatever way it can be
done.  These are all such very obvious ways that I’m surprised only
complainers on blogs are giving any public notice. 

I provided the Democratic Party platform for three election years. That
is the “official” stand on the issues.  The fact that many Democratic
politicians in Washington do not put these principles into effect (and
not all of them have abandoned these liberal ideas), is the reason all
Democrats get the bad rap.  It is my job then as a loyal Democrat in the
ideological sense of the word, to do as much as I can within the scope of
my life and within the boundaries of the Democratic Party to change the
balance of power and put it into the hands of those who are responsive
to the needs and will of the people.

What heterochromatic?  Obama is not an omniscient, omnipotent
god?  Ohhhhh sigh!  Jeezus…

We can say the Greens are more evil than liberals except they hold liberal
values.  Just check to see what are liberal values and compare them to
what the vocal Greens screech.  It is a bit greenish hypocritical but you
wont catch me saying so!

On another thread I provided 100 things Obama has accomplished in his
three years.  I’m surprised so many of you do not keep track of this, but
of course he is a black man and why would anyone think he accomplish-
ed anything except compromise and capitulation.

And yes, Maani is absolutely right to remind the 99% that whoever is in
the WH will appoint Supreme Court judges.  Shoot yourself in the head if
you want to, we can’t stop you.

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By Leefeller, April 8, 2012 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Lesser evil appears nothing more than a political rethink comprising negative self interested positions used to taint, when one looks at how stupid “Lesser evil”  sounds and really appears, ... even a moron with his brain tied behind his back, could simply deem the opposite, by seeing it as choosing the better of the choices.

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By xingqing, April 8, 2012 at 8:44 am Link to this comment

oregoncharles: Apr 5 11:14

“AS A STRATEGY, lesser-evil voting is a disaster
.....violates the fundamental premise of representative
democracy… can’t be a “gutless” voter”

Best comment I’ve read!  Be brave.

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By heterochromatic, April 8, 2012 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

it’s awful easy to complain that an awfully hard job wasn’t performed according to
the standards to which you would like to become accustomed

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By Leefeller, April 8, 2012 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Maani, thanks for the link to the 50 Positive things Obama accomplished in the first four years, considering the obstructionist Congress, I am surprised Obama got anything accomplished especially with the obstructionist Congress.  As commander in Chief, Obama did more in one good action then GW Bush did in eight years of humping Chaney, but of course if you do not do the shock and awe approach someone is not pulling in the dough.  I can surmise the Military Industrial Complex is a bit miffed with Obama, after all Seal Team 6 cuts into their bottom line.

I always wonder how many posters here are Republicans in Drag? Most of their arguments emulate the Repudiation pointless moronic arguments and sound like Romney telling us how bad everything is and how good it will be when they become pontiff.

Oh yeah, Obama has done little or could have done better, according to the standard right wing and alleged left wing, sounding like the nagging wife from hell, (sorry for the sexisim) I love expert couch potato approach to pontiffing.

One thing for sure, I have more respect for Obama as Commander in Chief in my left hand liberal pinky then I had for GW Bush and his draft evader vice president and their Neoconservative appraoch to getting Bin Laden, it sounds like the Replication approach to Primary’s, is the same as their approach to pontiff ‘we don’t care what the votes are, just who we decided we want to win?

Whine about Obamas record, if it makes you feelgood, but maybe you should stop the sniveling and look at the forest, I don’t know, but all this high pitched nasal sounds seem so damn pathetic!

Get the money out if you can,.... no whining is so much easier!

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By David J. Cyr, April 8, 2012 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

Whenever there’s any opportunity for a rebirth of the Left, in which people could rise up and sieze whole loaves, the corporate party’s (D) dedicated to evil liberals MoveON in to persuade voters to settle for the smallest possible crumbs.

The Devolution of Liberalism:

Jill Stein for President:

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By - bill, April 7, 2012 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

Wrong on multiple counts, tic.

1.  Obama campaigned SIGNIFICANTLY to the left of how he has governed and still got elected with a lot of enthusiasm (which he then squandered rather than used to push the kind of legislation and other change that he had run on).  The voters clearly wanted more progressive government than they got, which is why they stayed home in droves in 2010 after having been betrayed.

2.  Polling has consistently shown that the American public wants the kind of progressive actions that Obama has either opposed outright or dragged his feet on rather than worked toward:  a ‘public option’ or even Medicare for All, a swifter exit from Afghanistan than we’re - maybe - getting, a swifter exit from Iraq than we got, closure of Guantanamo, restoration of the civil liberties that we lost under Bush rather than Obama’s acceleration of this erosion, marriage equality, prosecution of those responsible for the vast financial fraud that tanked our economy, curtailment of corporate welfare, far more progressive taxation - and oh, yeah, all that stuff about “and end to business as usual” and “change we can believe in” (just off the top of my head, you understand:  people have actually gone to the trouble of cataloging Obama’s betrayals and the list ran into the hundreds even the last time I bothered checking it a couple of years ago).

If it weren’t for the mesmerizing lesser-evil mantra Obama would beyond question be out on his ass this November.  Even with that stick to scare the left with he still may be:  for many of us there’s no way in hell that he’ll get our support, and Romney - being very much like Obama, especially when it comes to saying anything to get elected - is just not that scary.

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By heterochromatic, April 7, 2012 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

bill——most people in the country don’t want anyone to the left of Obama…...and
that simple fact seems to elude most of us who desparatelt do.

you can demand whatever you like but not in any numbers that can’t be withstood.

Obama did decently this first term, given that he, when sworn in, wasn’t given a
magic wand…but instead a shitty foreign situation and a shitty economy…..and a
Congress that was far to HIS right.

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By - bill, April 7, 2012 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment

True enough, tic - but I can still sure as hell DEMAND something better, and if enough of us do we’ll eventually get it.

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By heterochromatic, April 7, 2012 at 9:09 pm Link to this comment

bill- you have no right to anyone better than Obama.

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By - bill, April 7, 2012 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

I’m sure that people looking to legitimize Obama as something other than a right-of-American-center corporate sell-out may find that article “interesting and informative”, Maani, but those of us with more developed critical faculties won’t.  A mixture of minor achievements (some apparently intentionally delayed until his election was looming again) with many highly debatable ones does not a decent president make - especially in a time when we needed one so badly and thought (based on how he campaigned) that we had elected one.

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By Maani, April 7, 2012 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

An extremely interesting and informative “other [good] side of Obama” article:

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By - bill, April 7, 2012 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

Thanks for clarifying Santa Clara County vs Southern Pacific Railroad, Maani:  I have read the assertion which you posted elsewhere but never having read the actual transcript myself was hesitant to bring it up myself.

There’s ALWAYS some ‘unquestionable reason’ (SCOTUS is one of the most popular) for choosing what we think is the lesser evil.  My belief is that as long as we continue to do so there always will be, in which case we either decide to give up on changing things or start thinking outside that particular box (and the air in there is getting pretty stale now).

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By Maani, April 7, 2012 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

Yes, we need a revolution; a real one.  But in the meantime…

There is one absolutely unquestionable reason to vote for Obama over ANY Repugnican candidate: SCOTUS.  At very least, Sotomayor and Kagan are not Scalia and Alito.  And we KNOW what will happen if we get a Repugnican prez.  Since so much else is “the same” re Dems and Reps, this seems to be a clear choice.


Actually, Santa Clara County vs Southern Pacific Railroad did NOT establish that corporations are people.  I have read the transcript.  The only mention of “corporations as people” was a “headnote” THAT WAS NOT EVEN LEGALLY PART OF THE DECISION.  However, that headnote has been used as the basis of very “corporation as person” case since, including Citizens United.

The entire case for “corporations as people” is based on a LIE.

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By EmileZ, April 7, 2012 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

@ oregoncharlie

Vermont is fucking awsome!!!

Aside from the illustrious Socialist senator Bernie Sanders, they have the politically saavy Vermont Progressive Party. They are strong, dedicated and know how to wield influence.

The Vermont Progressive Party should be studied by well-intentioned academics and activists alike.

VPP Platform

Zappa - We Are Not Alone

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By oregoncharles, April 7, 2012 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

From Shenonymous:  “I do see Bernie Sanders submit bills for the social welfare of
the people and the environment as well, however.”

Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat.  Never has been.  I wish he was a Green, but he isn’t that, either.  He is living proof that the 2-Party does not have ironclad control of our politics.

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By oregoncharles, April 7, 2012 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

Thanks for responding, Shenonymous.  I actually agree the Greens need to do more to publicize our POSITIVE positions.

You greatly underestimate the conspiracy of silence against us in the mass media.  Comments columns such as Truthdig’s are one way around that.  I would appreciate suggestions if you think we could be doing more.  We cannot FORCE editors to use our press releases or even report our events.

I will address one specific disagreement.  You say:
“You are wrong that the Democratic Party is
against all three of the issues you listed.”  My statement is based entirely on the public record of their ACTIONS.  For instance, the Democrats running the federal government in 2009 went to great lengths to insure that single-payer, universal medical insurance wasn’t even considered, to the point of arresting those who tried to speak up for it.  Perhaps you weren’t reading the news then.  (yes, I’m being sarcastic.)

Obama withdrew American troops from Iraq PRECISELY on Bush’s schedule, but only after trying to get out of it.  If it now takes forever to withdraw from Afghanistan (that’s silly - it’s a matter of months, not years), it’s because he, himself escalated the commitment there.

You’re wrong on the facts:  whatever they SAY, and whatever your personal positions, the Democratic party is, in practice, against all of those.  Words lie; actions tell the truth.

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By Shenonymous, April 7, 2012 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

I have to agree, mrfreeze, Leefeller does have a unique way of saying
things, and he says them just right.

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By balkas, April 7, 2012 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

grokker, you’re right.
my wife had no clue about what is going on. on
occ., i do talk to her about these matters; so she
knows at least a bit more that she used to.
but this observation is valid for all the people i

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By grokker, April 7, 2012 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

@Leefeller The “bottoming out” that I refer to is not a matter of choice, as I see it. Just take a look around, the signs are purely visible. The average person in this country is not a person that thinks like those that post to TD or a conservative website. These are people that are unable to think at all about anything but the most mundane aspects of existence. Some are too obsessed with mere survival to care. Look on the streets of cities, people with their noses stuck in some electronic gadget everywhere you go in complete non-mindfulness. The types of crimes and atrocities committed by humans today in the course of daily life. The pharmaceutical drugging of the populace and drugging through mindless media. The toxic levels of air and water and the massive rise in cancer levels and other serious diseases.The list can go on forever, of course. Solutions to these problems can’t possibly be political. These are psychological problems brought on by an insane culture. How would you fix it? Where to begin?

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By Leefeller, April 7, 2012 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

grokker, Bottoming out seems like a potential or viable alternative , until one looks at history, Germany bottomed out and Hitler took over, not sure waiting to hit bottom is the way to go, seems fatalistic and more like committing suicide? 

I suspect the Austerity programs going on in Europe right now is a sample of bottoming out, I sure as hell do not want to go there. This seems the Republican plan for the US right now, again those in their ivory towers never bottom out, only the common people take the main hit, actually what is happening right now the downward spiraling for the majority supporting and maintaining the few.

I suspect OWS is closer to the facts then the powers that be would like to admit.  Disinfranchisment seems real to me, fairness is not even an option when looking at the Republicans, the Democrats seem to talk the talk, maybe they can walk the walk?

Freeze I emphasize with your opinion in many ways.

Must be better options out there?

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By grokker, April 7, 2012 at 9:06 am Link to this comment

The American body politic and soul is so terminally sick right now that it can be likened to a alcoholic that has to bottom out completely in order to pull out of it. Nothing else will do, nothing can fix it, especially fixes that rely on the same thinking that caused the disaster to begin with. What we see now with American empire is bluff; a lot of gloss (big military might) that hides an incredible psychic weakness. And what we are seeing now is the beginning of the fall.

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By mrfreeze, April 7, 2012 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous - “Again, the only thing the Nader and GReens are good at seems to me,  is helping the Republicans get closer to the ring. Obviously the Greens do not have a pot to piss in or an example of anything except the ability to whine with consistency, seemingly a trait leaning towards dogma or fanaticism.”

No one could have said it better!

Look, I may be a stark raving lunatic (thanks for that Surfboy) but many of you on this thread have said as much: our electoral system of government has been co-opted by scoundrels who don’t give a fuck about us. There’s a great line in Robocop that the main villain says to his younger (and about to be exploded) opponent..“It helps to think of it as a game…”

Welcome to the game….it’s an ugly, nasty, cynical game that will leave regular Americans with less power and influence, not more….no matter who we vote for. As I mentioned earlier, my fellow citizens and I can’t even get our local city council to listen to our grievances. They’ve seized power and getting my neighbors to participate in “the process” has proven to be an exercise in futility. They’re “too busy.”

Well, after 30 years of watching the public be “too busy” watching TV and eating filth food instead of becoming even the slightest bit active in our electoral system, hey, we’ve got what we’ve got: an empire run by a wealthy elite who aren’t about to give up one nano-bit of power…..and they know Americans are too stupid, timid and apathetic to do anything about it.

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By Shenonymous, April 7, 2012 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

Not only was it partisan, oregoncharles, it was hyperbole,
which not many who post on Truthdig can distinguish hyperbole
from their padoopa.  You can believe what you want, but the reality
may not match what you believe.

I thank you for the Green Party Platform link but David S. Cyr already
posted this a couple of times on various TD forums, and he took the
time to post it verbatim and provided links every time.  As a matter of
fact, I visited that site a few times and did posted it partially myself,
since there are many liberal principles that are shared, as the Greens
essentially is politically a liberal organization.  My “beef” with the Greens
is that whoever is the administrators of the organization has not seen to
it that they are front and center in the media, because it is from the
media that most Americans get their news and their ideas as well.  My
personal project is to defeat Republicans who I think is the greatest
obstacle to the health and welfare of the American people and a third-
party will not be able to do that in this election year. The only third-party
possible candidate I would support would be Bernie Sanders, which I’ve
said numerous times.  You are wrong that the Democratic Party is
against all the three of the issues you listed. 

I don’t weep, at all.  I know what liberal bedrock convictions I have
and what I will support as one single voter in this country.  Ending wars
is a major issue with Democrats and this President and bringing the
troops home is continuing that operation as we breathe.  Starting last
June 23, 2011, CNN reported “after nearly 10 years of war, the U.S. will
start bringing American troops from Afthanistan still there to start
coming home, that all the 33,000 additional U.S. forces he ordered to
Afghanistan in December 2009 would be home within 15 months.” 
You act as if it is like a light switch that can be turned on and off at will. 
You are naive if you think so.  Do you have the slightest idea all that is
involved, not the least of which is a hostile lock-step goosemarching
Republicans that has thrown C-5 Galaxy tanks in Obama’s and the short
of majority Democrats way of legislating liberal laws in Congress?  What
exactly do you think it takes to wind down a war?  All you do is mouth
popular leftists slogans.  It’s easy to do that!

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By Shenonymous, April 7, 2012 at 8:09 am Link to this comment

2. To oregoncharles -
Re: the healthcare single-payer issue: from Health Affairs

“U.S. health policy has been consumed by an
ideological divide between conservative and
liberal viewpoints.The liberal philosophy, based
on both moral principles and utilitarian arguments,
attempts to balance the needs of the individual with
the concerns of the entire population. Elements of
the liberal health care perspective include a belief
that health care is an equal right of all people, the
implementation of that right through a social
insurance system that provides universal health
coverage, equitable financing of health care, and a
commitment to equality in health care.”

The following link is to a lucid report that explains it all.

Without any doubt there is an ideological divide between the Democratic
perspective on health care and the Republican, and in the last 3 years
there has been absolutely nothing reconcilable that could culminate in
an adequate government protected policy. The Republicans have choked
and impeded every important social program submitted for legislation.
The Liberal Democratic program is more comprehensive than the Greens,
they are pushing actual legislation.  I see no Green authored initiative in
Congress, which is where everything that happens to us essentially has
to happen.  I do see Bernie Sanders submit bills for the social welfare of
the people and the environment as well, however.

Legalizing cannabis is more complex an issue also than might be
thought on the face of it. Those who want to use marijuana (cannabis)
is a subgroup of the population and it is an addictive drug.  For the
purpose of medical treatment it ought to be legalized nationwide
through the Department of Health just as other conscious and physical
numbing drugs are, such as morphine, which is a health issue that could
apply to any citizen as health issues cannot normally be predicted.  But
the issue of cannabis legalization for recreational use is not crucial as
are other nationwide problems that affect everyone such as problems
in education, financial reform, human rights, etc.

Those who post on blogs do not give a positive strategy about the
Greens but instead wail and whine and criticize and denigrate everyone
who does not agree with them.  That is a typical Republican conservative
mode of operation.  I see that as counterproductive if in fact any Green
advocate wants a bigger voting contingency.

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By Leefeller, April 7, 2012 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

Boy the rats are multiplying here like at Taco Bell,
Greens have lobbied, geez just like running the halls of Congress, the same story every day, vote for Green because all other choices are not perfect they are the best and the worse of two evils, so we have a plan, vote for the the best of three evils?  How could you morons know the Greens would even pass a kidney stone if you made it into Congress? After all Congress supposedly constitutes 60 percent of 1 per-centers. 

If the Greens really want to get into politics, you would think a simple fact would be helpful, maybe start by getting some Green people in at state levels, County levels, city levels, even dog catcher, how about someone in Congress, but no like the idiot Nader go for the pontifical run?  I have never seen so many jerk offs in one place at one time except my vision of a Tea Bag KKK convention.

How did the idiots of what constitutes the Tea Party get their people in to manipulate the President like a sock puppet? Come on clowns ... the big question, how did Tea Baggers get into office?.... First they had Palin the Vice president appealing to more experienced morons then even you, second they filled a few seats in Congress, what has the Green party filled, nothing, but this blog with a lot of hot air.

The Tea Bag won positions in Congress,.... because they where bought and sold by the Koch Brothers, promoted by FOX and special interests, they had friends with (money) and help from the MSM, what do you Greens have? A cause, an orthodox view of life, which by the way, I may not totally disagree with, but I may have an advantage, I happen to know fact from fiction.

Again, the only thing the Nader and GReens are good at seems to me,  is helping the Republicans get closer to the ring. Obviously the Greens do not have a pot to piss in or an example of anything except the ability to whine with consistency, seemingly a trait leaning towards dogma or fanaticism.

Nothing will change, unless you get the money out and I do not see this happening anytime soon or even in the next decade or two. Well,  we do not have to worry, the world is supposed to end in 2012!

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By heterochromatic, April 7, 2012 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

kulu——what kind of change have the protesters in Egypt accomplished?

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By kulu, April 7, 2012 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

How long can progressive Americans continue voting for the lesser evil (if indeed it really is the lesser)?

The protests in Tahrir Sq began as a result of a persistent small core of activists regularly protesting there. It ended in masses of people all out their calling for change. Likewise in America small beginnings could lead to the creation of a major new force in government - one that is on the side of the people and not against them.

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By Mark E. Smith, April 7, 2012 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

In a real election you’d get to vote on whether to have war with Syria, war with Iran, or no war at all. You’d get to vote on whether to have bigger bailouts for the rich, smaller bailouts for the rich, or no bailouts at all. You’d get to vote on whether you wanted the President to be able to arrest, detain, or assassinate you at will or not. You’d have a real voice in policy decisions.

In US “elections” you get to vote for which candidates you’d prefer to make such decisions for you.

That’s why voters are people who really don’t give a shit about wars, bailouts, the police state, or anything else. They just want somebody else to make their decisions for them, hopefully somebody more benevolent than those currently making their decisions for them, but voters believe that even somebody worse is better than not voting. There is nothing in the world more apathetic than a US voter.

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By EmileZ, April 7, 2012 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

@ Mark E. Smith

You gotta eat!!!

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By balkas, April 7, 2012 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

ok folks, once again i stand my holy ground in defense of all people, and not just the ones residing in the region known as
america. [have we agreed by now that there never ever was an america?]
people are not stupid, lazy, uneducated, unmotivated, uncaring, unsharing, unjust, warlike, etc., people world over BECOME
all of that.
the method to render once butiful people into ugly people [or ugly americans] is very crude and as old as the hills.
just keep telling them biggest lies you can invent. schools are the best place for that.
these are run by ‘teachers’, ‘progressives’, ‘liberals’, Dems, Repubs, believers in gods on behalf their masters and for the
enslavement of the rest of the people.
tell them also there is god, jesus, allah and what they can do for you. speak of past glories [but never of gories].
above else keep on making promises; oodles of them. keep on lying, deceiving, evoking perils, etc., with awesome
solemnity, piety, conviction, etc.

deserves an oscar or nobel prize.
guess who invented/spread it? chomsky was one of them who spread/invented it. [I BROUGHT IT UP TO HIM]
in my posts early ‘08 i called voting for obama “voting for greater evil”.
actually, obama is by far better servant of the ONE PERCENT than romney or ron paul wld be [ok, BECOME!!]. that’s why they
will not be elected. onepercent need obama and vice versa as much as it did bush.
bush [damn it, i like the man; so what the hell is wrong with me?] was the right man in his time and obama the right man in
his. how about lady gaga, clooney, palin, bachmann, lieberman or their children ? will all of them once elected be the right
[BECOME OR REMADE IN JUST THE RIGHT WAY] people in their times. yes, for sure! 
btw, i seem not like obama. goddarn it, am i also a racist? thanks, bozhidar b., earthling

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By Mark E. Smith, April 7, 2012 at 7:20 am Link to this comment

ElkoJohn writes, “Once the Republicans ruin the Republic, then, we will see what Americans are made of.”

It already happened. The Republicans did ruin the Republic during the administrations of Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr. And we saw what US voters are made of: jello. They voted for Democrats who turned out to be even worse (Clinton, Obama) or for third party candidates who didn’t have any chance of winning at all.

David J. Cyr writes: “People who are comfortable with a continuation of sociopathic neoliberal policies will vote for either the (R) or (D) labeled interchangeable result corporate party candidates.

People who oppose those sociopathic neoliberal policies will protest vote for alternative candidates, regardless of whether they are “electable” or not.

People who don’t give a shit what happens won’t vote.”

No, David, it is both people who vote for Democrats and Republicans, AND people who vote for candidates they know are not electable, who don’t give a shit. They don’t really care who is elected or what the government does, as long as they can cast uncounted, unverifiable ballots for people they can’t hold accountable. As long as voters can vote, they might grumble about who wins and what policies go into effect, but because voters are totally apathetic, they don’t really care what happens as long as they can vote.

EmileZ writes, “The refrain of this song could be interpreted in a negative sense as the lack of integrity and resolve displayed by those poor confused souls who who lack the mental clarity and spiritual resolve to cast their ballots for anyone who will not merely perpetuate the pain.”

Casting ANY ballot in ANY US election merely perpetuates the pain, because it perpetuates the capitalist imperialist system that is destroying the planet for profit and has no regard for human life.

To vote is to say that you trust whoever wins to make your decisions for you. You are NOT putting your faith and trust in the candidates or political parties you vote for, you are putting your faith and trust in the capitalist imperialist system and in whoever happens to be declared the winner of the “election” (or is substituted for the winner by the Supreme Court).

Voting perpetuates the system in which one votes.

Refusing to vote withdraws and withholds one’s consent from the system holding the election.

A referendum where votes don’t have to be counted, cannot be verified, and have no influence on policy but merely indicate which guardians the incompetents would prefer to have manage their affairs for them, is NOT an election. In an election votes have to be counted, can be verified, and can influence government policy. What the US has are not elections, they’re fake popularity contests to fool the gullible into thinking that they have a voice, when all they really have is an uncounted vote.

Imagine that you went to a restaurant and instead of handing you a menu, they lined up a group of people and asked you to choose which one you would prefer to have decide what you’ll have for dinner. As long as you don’t really care what you have for dinner, trust the restaurant enough to believe what whatever is selected for you will be good, and don’t mind eating and paying for food even if you don’t like it, you won’t insist on a menu and you’ll agree to designate someone to decide what you’ll eat.

Now take that a step farther. Not only can’t you select what to eat from the menu, but if the restaurant owner doesn’t like the person you’ve chosen to decide what you’ll eat, they can substitute a different employee for your choice. But even if you get your choice of deciders, they can only select from a fixed menu which you’re not allowed to see.

If you wouldn’t eat in a restaurant like that, you shouldn’t vote. Boycott 2012!

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By heterochromatic, April 7, 2012 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

If you won’t vote for Obama….then decide if you’re better off not voting or
voting for an as yet insignificant protest candidate.

the reality of it is that Obama will win re-election unless voters who would
otherwise vote for the more liberal of the two main candidates refuse to
support him and then Romney will govern.

personally, I think more people should consider Ron Paul who has come up with
a way to end the problem we’re having with immigrants from Mexico.
Paul has decided to make every current Mexican an American citizen using
military personnel returned from Asian bases.

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By EmileZ, April 7, 2012 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

@ David J. Cyr

Curtis Mayfield - Keep On Keeping On

The refrain of this song could be interpreted in a negative sense as the lack of integrity and resolve displayed by those poor confused souls who who lack the mental clarity and spiritual resolve to cast their ballots for anyone who will not merely perpetuate the pain.

I however choose to dedicate it to you and your tireless efforts, which are much more in keeping with the entirety of the songs lyrics and it’s spirit as well.

You are a beacon of undeniable indisputable truth more or less.

Keep it lit.

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By BR549, April 7, 2012 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

Samson, April 7 at 1:36 am Link
“A vote for Obama is a vote for a war with Iran after the election.  They’ve made this very clear. A vote for Obama is a vote for four more years of government of Wall Street, by Wall Street and for Wall Street.”

...... and a vote for Romney will just be a repackaged thrust to invade Iran and drumming up some other flimsy excuse to support Wall Street.

When are Americans going to realize that both the Republican and Democrat parties’ candidates are BOTH ultiimately hand-picked by David Rockefeller, thus the “apparent” course of either of those two parties is dependent upon the Trilateral Commission’s holy sanction. It is why every candidate, who has opposed NAFTA has been run off the debate stage. The Bilderberg, Group, the Trilateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations had decided decades ago that Iran had to be “taken out” in order to control the balance of power in their favor; the only real obstacles being China and the disgust of the American people if they were to ever realize how their entire seemingly democratic process had been hijacked by these globalists.

Meanwhile, every four years, the same set of intellectual sloths work their way up to the voting booths to vote for the equivalent of either the electric chair or a lethal injection. I don’t care who anyone votes for, it doesn’t have to be Ron Paul, but as long as people keep voting for the lesser of two evils or somehow figure that not voting has some meaning, this whole social experiment will continue on its downward spiral.

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By David J. Cyr, April 7, 2012 at 4:56 am Link to this comment

Well — with typical truly sick logic — the “progressive” liberal voters are hauling out all their tired old completely discredited arguments (again) attempting to rationalize the irrationality of their dishonestly voting for the corporate party’s money manufactured Democrats to “win” a continuation of every neoliberal policy they would honestly get by voting for its Republicans.

The (D) dedicated liberals win every time we all loose. The deeply depraved liberals reliably vote for the corporate party’s Democrats to have the global market-state’s neoliberal policies perpetuated better by Democrats than Republicans could. It’s been the (D) dedication of liberals that has made corporatism’s sociopathy so devastatingly sustainable.

Democrat voters are like prisoners in cattle cars headed for a terminal destination who insist that it’s insane to vote for beer hall brownshirt thugs, but “intelligent” to vote for SS officers… because (D) “educated” blackshirts are displaying an appreciation for classical music while their collaborative work together with the brown shirted (R)s is effectively engineering a planetary crematorium.

People who are comfortable with a continuation of sociopathic neoliberal policies will vote for either the (R) or (D) labeled interchangeable result corporate party candidates.

People who oppose those sociopathic neoliberal policies will protest vote for alternative candidates, regardless of whether they are “electable” or not.

People who don’t give a shit what happens won’t vote.

Jill Stein for President:

The “Principles” of Liberal Voters:

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By Samson, April 7, 2012 at 2:36 am Link to this comment

A vote for Obama is a vote for a war with Iran after
the election.  They’ve made this very clear.

A vote for Obama is a vote for four more years of
government of Wall Street, by Wall Street and for
Wall Street.

We can’t afford either.  There will be other names on
the ballot.  Don’t believe the Democrat propaganda
that you don’t have a choice.  You do.  Exercise it
next November and say you want some real Change and
real Hope.

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By oregoncharles, April 6, 2012 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

@Shenonymous, April 6 at 10:56 am - You know your last post is partisan b.s., don’t you?  Still, it’s a good suggestion, so here’s a link to the Green Party’s platfrom - I don’t think Truthdig would like it if I posted the whole thing:

A few highlights on recent issues:  1)end the imperial wars and the Empire, bring the troops home, and use the savings for the benefit of Americans; 2) Institute single-payer, universal health care; 3) legalize cannabis.

REad it and weep, because the Democratic Party is against all of these.

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By the worm, April 6, 2012 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

Obama may have identified ‘the central issue of our time’, but he has done nothing
to address “a shrinking number of people do exceedingly well, while a growing
number struggle to get by”.

Obama’s policies have simply exacerbated the problem:

Obama was intent on bailing out Wall Street, keeping ‘hands off’ Wall Street CEO
bonuses, ignoring ‘carried interest’, tap dancing with a merely symbolic - rather
than actual - income tax reform, supporting three extensions of the Bush tax cuts
(twice with Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress), supporting the
non-reform of the financial system, signing a completely mis-named JOBS bill,
and passing off an insurance industry subsidy as ‘health care reform’, ....

Perhaps, as Robert implies, it’s Obama by default.

But, I seriously doubt, Obama can rally voters to the cry “Im the best of the worst”
and expect to get a majority.

Obama would have had to be a Democrat to win in 2012, and he clearly is not.

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By ElkoJohn, April 6, 2012 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

vote 3rd party

let the Republicans take over if the Dumbocrats
are too incompetent, corrupt and compromised
to lead in the tradition of FDR & LBJ.

Once the Republicans ruin the Republic,
then, we will see what Americans are made of.

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By Mark E. Smith, April 6, 2012 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

mrfreeze asks, “Do you believe America is failing because we’re simply too fat and satiated or are we just plain stupid?”

Stupid. Every election voters are told that if they don’t get out there and vote, things will get worse.

So they get out and vote, and things get worse.


Every time.

Over and over and over.

Rinse and repeat.

It’s worse than stupidity. Voters are brain-dead.

Voters don’t understand the value of voting.

An undemocratic system of government is one in which power is vested in the hands of the government. That government could be a dictatorship, a monarchy, a plutocracy, an oligarchy, or even a pseudo-democracy, but if power is vested in the hands of the government rather than in the hands of the people, the system does not meet the definition of a democratic form of government.
In a democratic form of government, where power is vested in the hands of the people, voting is the most precious right of all, as it is the way that the people exercise the power vested in them, either directly by voting on issues, budgets, and policies, or indirectly by voting for representatives who are obligated to represent their constituents and can be directly recalled by the people at any time that they fail to represent the people who elected them.

In an undemocratic form of government, where power is vested in the hands of the government rather than in the hands of the people, voting is totally worthless and a waste of time, as the people do not have power and the government doesn’t have to count their votes, can miscount and/or ignore their votes, can overrule the popular vote, and elected representatives are not obligated to represent their constituents but can represent their personal beliefs or philosophies, their big donors, or whatever they wish, and cannot be held accountable as long as they continue in office, which is the only time that people need them to represent the interests of the people.

In an undemocratic form of government, voters can hope that their votes might be counted, can hope that their elected officials might represent them, but have no power to ensure that their votes are counted or that their elected officials actually represent them.

The system makes all the difference. As an analogy, breathing is a good thing and we humans couldn’t survive without being able to breathe. But underwater or in a toxic environment filled with lethal gas, breathing can bring about death more quickly than holding one’s breath and trying to escape. Breathing isn’t always a good thing, it is only a good thing in an environment with oxygen suitable for human life.

The same is true of voting. In a democratic system, voting is precious and essential. In an undemocratic system, it can be fatal, as it can allow the destruction of the economy, military adventurism, obstacles to basic human rights such as jobs, education, food, clothing, shelter, and health care, and other tragic consequences of allowing government to exercise uncontrolled power rather than vesting power in the hands of the people.

Most people in the US today are opposed to our government’s ongoing wars of aggression. Even those who are uninformed and uneducated, who aren’t aware that historically, the way that most empires fell was because they became militarily overextended, sense that there is something wrong with spending trillions of dollars on foreign wars while basic domestic needs go unmet.

Voting within an undemocratic form of government is legitimizing an undemocratic form of government and consenting to be governed undemocratically. That, my friends, is just plain stupid.

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By c-post, April 6, 2012 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

Bob, this column is completely righteous. Thanks for the lucid, clarifying attack. Nice work.

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By Gary Mont, April 6, 2012 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

Rant no.4453

Is there any hope at all that reality will someday seep past the socially initiated mental blocks of “we the people”?

When we eat too much, the cure is to eat more. right?

When our kids get the measles, we cure them by giving them hooping cough, right.

When we learn that drinking and driving causes accidents, we fix the problem by drinking more and driving faster, right.

When we learn that bankers have been illegally lying and cheating and stealing from everyone on earth, we end that problem by making laws that make lying and cheating and stealing by bankers legal, right.

When we discover that politics and politicians are turning our world into a mountain of money for themselves and their friends to share, we solve the problem by creating more political parties and (s)electing more politicians, right.

Now that everyone can see that Obama is more Right-Wing than Bush Junior and is taking the USA farther and farther into the Police State, its time to cast our vote for Obama, right.

We don’t want to limit the privileges of the wealthy because we hope to become wealthy and wallow in those privileges ourselves some day.

To this end we also do not want to upset the apple cart that has made many men millioniares and billioniares because that would cut off our chances of becoming mega-wealthy ourselves some day, using those same tried and true methods.

Who was it that said, “You get the governement you deserve.” ?

Or is there some crazy notion, that once the MAFIA’s drug-money-controlled bankers, politicans and CEOs finally drain the nation of its wealth and vitality, that they’ll just turn around and share it all, or become creative and start a brave new world?

As a people, you have lost representation. You will mostly deny this, but, eventually realize it is the truth of the matter, as events force you to test the old paths and you learn they no longer exist.

Without representation, you are incapable of initiating change through all normal channels, so you cannot prevent, slow or stop the rape of America by its wealthiest citizens because the channels normally available for that purpose no longer function.

You can however, become as evil and as wealthy as the creatures now controlling the offices of government and fincance and join them in their rape of America. They’d really like that and maybe you would too once you were wealthy.

The people who once pretended to represent you have literally declared war on you - they simply did not tell you about it, because they no longer work for you, in any capacity. In fact, by keeping you misinformed about that declaration of war, they keep you working and playing and creating their wealth, while they happily suck away your lifeblood, disappearing the tiny minority who stumble onto the truth and complain.

The only thing that you can do as a people at this point, is refuse to work another day under the yoke of the camoflauged tyranny that has invaded and overthrown your nation.

The parasite that is killing you, depends entirely upon the wealth you create through your labor to continue its existence. If you cut off its source of both - yourselves - you literally destroy the parasite.

Creating more political parties and electing more politicians is like putting out a fire, by throwing lit candles and gasoline soaked paper at it. It simply cannot do any good and can and will do much harm.

Politics is obsolete - has been for decades. A hand full of technically oriented kids with good computers could run planet earth far better than any number of wealthy politicians taking graft from organized crime.

Without a general strike, America; and eventually, all other nations on earth, will very soon become a mere memory, as fascism sweeps the planet once again into a new dark age.

But wait…. that means missing an episode, or maybe even two, of American Idol!!!!!

No way Hose!

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By sallysense, April 6, 2012 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

corporate holdings now sit as a parent company of our government…
with purchase power ensuring its political products shall dominate…
it bought up both major parties and still uses those brand names…
banking on leaders’ weak constitutions for a way to overtake!...


corporatism relies on numbers games…
and the illusions they’re based on…
and uses them for an influence…
to re-shape considerations!...


(will never vote for obama!...
nor for romney!...
they both care much more for themselves and corporate cronies!...
than they do for our country and constitution!)...


went from an ex-40 year democrat… to a no-party-affiliation…
and now to a republican and ‘only’ to vote for ron paul in the primary!...

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By Leefeller, April 6, 2012 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

You can call me anything under the sun, but do not dare call me late for Tequila break!

‘My special physic abilities allow me to know everything about everyone, all of you clowns out there,... every single one of you… from liberals to gringos even worse all you Methodists, I know your little plan is to rape the world and you plan on keep it all to yourselves.’ 

‘The price of fuel for my Humvee is going out of this world, and it is your fault and and that gringo lover Obamas,  not long now, before I have to hook a Jack Ass to to my Humvee just to get around town and show off to the huddled masses,... anyone looking to work for tips?  I am a self described special persecuted kind of person, so I can take pot shots at everybody else, all you, every last one of you are not me, so this clearly means with certainty you are wrong, and obviously do not know your ass from a hole in the ground.’

Geez it must feel so damn, good to be full of ones self and even better I suppose for patting ones self on the back for it.

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By moonraven, April 6, 2012 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment


Deliberate stupidity leads to a host of other sins.

I only call them sins because some folks are celebrating the expiation of those sins by someone else on this day.

The first step in survival is taking responsibility for your own life.  Indigenous folks have always done that, which is why we’ve had such a very long run.

White invaders have not (remember how they would have starved if indigenous folks had not shown them how to plant corn and potatoes—and they thanked us by frying their potatoes in our body fat), which is why theirs will be a very short run.

I don’t care, really, that white folks have a death wish—but I do care that they insist that every other species has to die so that they can survive.

It’s a dead end, folks—and you are too stupid to see that.

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By Shenonymous, April 6, 2012 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

Republicans hiding out on Truthdig, who are desperate to win, all
will call Obama a Republican. It is a classic political tactic. Same
reason why the Republicans are calling Romney a moderate
Republican.  Ha!  Moderate in your dreams maybe! But go ahead
far leftists, or Republican imposters, do everything you can to get
Romney elected.  And yes, I am a fundamentalist liberal. 

Sheer is a realist!  It is not only Sheer who disregards the Green Party. 
All of the media disregards them as there are only extreme partisans
on blogs like this that is giving them any attention.  And it is only in
the form of whining and groaning and dissing Democrat liberals.  Cyr,
even in his carping is the only one really advertising for his party.  I
may not agree with him for reasons of the numbers and my agenda
to defeat Republicans, but at least he is credibly standing tall for them. 
Instead of moaning about the perceived indistinction of the two parties
(though I strongly disagree that is the reality), get the Greens out in the
mainstream media, or die on the vine once again.  Start advertising even
on your flaming posts what exactly they will do if they are in charge of
the government, not just complain about the major parties.  Either you
are a Green or you are pretending to be one.

What is happening right under you so-called progressive noses is the
de-democratization of the entire state of Michigan.  Yeah, get off your
gluteus maximus and do something about that why don’t you?  Seems
like all you want to do is bitch and bitch about Obama, Democrats and
liberals.  So you are thralls of the conservatives are you?

Yeah, there is a difference.

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By moonraven, April 6, 2012 at 11:50 am Link to this comment


I am not exactly rolling in dough either.  All capitalists—whether they are black, white, yellow, brown or red, do NOT want to change the system.

They want to have everybody else as an applauding slave.

Sounds to me, though, like you have nothing to lose.

Get up and take action!

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By mrfreeze, April 6, 2012 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

moonraven - I do so enjoy your colorful metaphors regarding the plight of the “American Dream!”

Do you believe America is failing because we’re simply too fat and satiated or are we just plain stupid?

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By jr., April 6, 2012 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

Greetings Moonraven,

I couldn’t agree with you more.  The problem i have is my being penniless, and, people like oprah winfrey who would spend every last dime she made in 2010, all 312 million dollars, to make sure no one does anything to change the system.  She’s so busy having one gala day, don’t you know.

That which you’ve had to say makes complete sense, but, unfortunately, it’s going to have to get a lot worse before it gets better.


Yours, etc.

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By jimmmmmy, April 6, 2012 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

As I’ve said before it"s of no consequence which guy gets the potus chair. Both parties are in agreement that the so called middle class is to be assigned to to the garbage pit of history.The fact that you make a living spinning an illusion should give you pause to reconsider. I fully realize the alternative are very ugly.

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By moonraven, April 6, 2012 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

To all of those whiners who are here bitching about getting screwed:

Rather than take the defeatist posture of If rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it—the supine posture you have been taking throughout almost my entire lifetime, why not


That’s what NORMAL folks do when their system is too fucked up to be fixed!

Apparently you have spread em for so long that you are already salivating for another onslaught.

I am finding it damned hard to have any sympathy for you folks.

In fact, if no one else wants to step forward and flush gringolandia into the sewers of history, I will be happy to fly up from mexico and do the honors.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, April 6, 2012 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

Leefeller, April 6 at 6:54 am is right, get into the details of getting the money out.  Public ‘service’ shouldn’t be attractive to people trying to get rich or enriched their friends and families. 

If we don;t figure this out, we’ll always eventually get more of the same, but now from third and fourth parties.  Third and fourth parties would be an improvement, but not enough to make a difference if the same motivators are there.

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By Ed Romano, April 6, 2012 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

Oregon, It was mass murderer, Harry Truman who said…If you give the people a choice between a Republican and a Republican they’ll choose the Republican every time.

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By oregoncharles, April 6, 2012 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

@ Gary Mont - Good list of Obama’s “accomplishments.”  One you forgot: 

Revived the nuclear power industry and started the first nuclear plants to be built here since Three Mile Island - something Bush never visibly considered.

The key point:  a right-wing Democrat is far more dangerous than a Republican, because he has so many people fooled.

Basic rule:  What if Bush Did It?

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By Ed Romano, April 6, 2012 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

John, Yeah, I read the book too…..should have said my lifetime.

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By truedigger3, April 6, 2012 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer,

I would like to appologize for my improper and poor choice of words in my post directed to you yesterday, however I still emphatically disagree with this article.
If every four years, you “liberals” and “progressives” say: well we don’t like it, but we got no choice but to vote for the Democratic candidate because he is the lesser of two evils, then the situatioin will get worse and worse.
There is a choice but the road is long and hard but as the Chinese say a long journey starts with the first step. We have to vote for someone outside the duopoly. Yes, several elections will be lost, but as time goes on and people awareness increases, a third party will eventually win. Along the road, money have to be decoupled from politics and the Media. I don’t know how but I am sure some people might have good ideas and proposals on how to do it.

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By Leefeller, April 6, 2012 at 7:54 am Link to this comment

“The incumbent president has his failings, but compared to Mitt Romney he is a paradigm of considered and compassionate thought.”

I know all you Rocky Squirrel guys and gals out there are chomping at the bit for your guy. Then we have the Ron Paul fans who believe he is the gold standard moral guide line for insanity.  Finally we have the Greens, those simplistic minions of moral turpitude who tout and wave their Greenyest as some sort of badge, just like Republicans waving flags and touting patriotism as their own special brand which no body else is capable of reaching.

Any one of yous neuritic third party types out there, if your party or person seems to be making headway, you can bet your bippy the moneyed interests will circumvent any moral successes by both disrupting, destroying and their ace in our hole, buying your pious guy like Hookers at Republican convention or as I prefer Republican circle jerks!

We need to get the money out…. and fat lady singing chance in hell that will ever happen!

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By bobthecats, April 6, 2012 at 7:48 am Link to this comment
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Obama is worse than the Republicans; because he is able to dismantle the
Constitution with little discussion or objection from the Democrats. He has
continued every bad Bush and Clinton policy and accelerated them up to the speed
of light. 

The least of two evils, may end up being the most evil.  Look at all he damage he
did when he wanted to be re-elected.  What will he do when he doesn’t have to
worry about reelection?  Assuming the King allows us to have another election.

I’m voting for Roseanne Barr or Ron Paul.  Why?  Because I feel they are the only
ones being honest.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, April 6, 2012 at 7:27 am Link to this comment

“Per Ed, The GOP has always been the party of the vampires.”  Not true Ed.  Up to the civil war, they were different, check out Thaddeus Stevens.  Then a shift occurred and I’ve been too lazy to learn about the dynamics.  There’s got to be some interesting parallels in there though, as immediately pst-civil war, the age of ‘robber barons’, the gilded age came upon us, as well as concepts of social Darwinism.  There is something to be learned there, something applicable about attitudes I think.  It might be interesting to look at the development of the curriculum for public schooling at the time too…..I am under the impression this is when they thought it best to turn out good worker bees.

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By - bill, April 6, 2012 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

Please provide a credible citation, Cliff, for your assertion that “the agenda of AE (is) that Social Security should be ended in favor of Wall Street investing.”  As far as I know AE has NO defined political agenda save for creating ballot access for a ticket chosen by its participants - a ticket only restricted by the requirement that the two candidates who share the ticket come from different political parties (by no means restricted to the two major parties).

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By Cliff Carson, April 6, 2012 at 6:29 am Link to this comment

Korky Day, April 5 at 8:27 am


I am in agreement of what you say about Pro-Rep in this comment.  As I read thru the Sheer Article I find that he has presented an accurate picture of where we are in our Society today.  And even more depressing , an accurate assessment of what our future may hold.

The discussions about Americans Elect reminded me of Ross Perot and “United America We Stand” and Bloomberg’s “Unity08”.  You might recall that Perot appointed the leadership team instead of allowing them to be elected much as Ackerman’s AE has settled on.

And the Online Unity08 tried framing the publicly raised issues to suit the Bloomberg influence in the end game.  Both these and now the Americans Elect , and the Tea Party needs to be included, are Agenda driven but purported to be grassroots organizations that would have you jump out of the boiling pot into the fire.

As I read deeper and deeper into the core of AE I found, as is reported by others on this thread , that the real money behind AE is basically from Hedge Fund Managers and somewhere I found that Bloomberg is reported to have donated $80 Million.

The likes of CATO Institute writers and CATO philosophy espouse the agenda of AE that Social Security should be ended in favor of Wall Street investing. Get people like them in ( remember that AE has decided to give their subscribers a selection of who they can vote for).and as someone on here has opined, you don’t have to vote the committee’s choice, but of course that means that you wouldn’t be voting on AE at all, which of course puts you right back in that pot of boiling water.

Forming a Third Party is seriously easy for the Moneyed 1%, but next to impossible for the 99%.  For several election cycles now I have been commenting that the only real path to reining in our Government is the formation of a Coalition of the Independent Parties to elect a Coalition Slate and a shunning into the dustbin of History of one of the Duopoly as described by Korky.  I choose to shun the Republican Party for obvious reasons as noted in this article by Sheer.

To do this we would need to begin to plan for the 2016 election, we have already passed the opportunity point for the 2012 election.

I seem to be eternally optimistic that some day we will all come together and realize that the way out of our dilemma is us.

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By Ed Romano, April 6, 2012 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

Scheer says rational voters have no place to go in this election because of the Republican party’s narrow focus. Is he telling us something new ? The GOP has always been the party of the vampires. Howard Zinn once said in a lecture that it was a rational choice for rich people to vote Republican. But when we see wage earners lining up to vote for them we see proof that workers have been bamboozled in a big way. The GOP represents ther interests of the monied class in toto. Since this segment of the population is a minority the party must trick a good number of voters, whose interests are exactly opposed to the aims of the party, into voting for it. Now the American electorate is, let’s be charitable and call it infantile….the American electorate would not vote Republican if it knew that the party was in reality opposed to the needs of ordinary people. So it appeals to things that have nothing to do with economics….abortion, an anti gay agenda etc. To imagine that the monied classes actually care whether or not some woman living in a project in the Bronx has an abortion or not must place such a thinker in a class somewhere between dolt and moron. But these issues are prime with a good number of the bamboozled, and this is how the Republicans are able to win elections….One may wonder why the Democrats don’t publicize the fact that the Republicans have always stood firmly against anything that would benefit ordinary Americans. Going back to the thirties the GOP was against all the Roosevelt reforms, and it has been trying to cripple Social Security , Medicare, Labor Unions etc. ever since. I believe the reason the Donkey Party doesn’t do this is because it has been complicit with the Republicans in many of these efforts…witness the latest fiasco regarding the tortured passage of Obama Care.
  The foregoing should not be taken as an endorsement of the Democratic party. The difference between the two major parties is this…while the Republicans want to skin the majority of the population completely….the Democrats say…No. No, Only half way….. The political problem we have can’t be solved with the system as it is. Republicans and Democrats ARE the problem. We may never get it, but nothing will avail until we have ..An Anti Corporate Politial Party. Onward.

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By PGEddington, April 6, 2012 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

BRAVO to Gary Mont for providing that devastating, line
by line litany of failures and betrayals by Obama.
Scheer should have talked to you before he wrote his

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By Copeland, April 6, 2012 at 1:12 am Link to this comment

Obama’s presidency has already been a great boon for the Heritage Foundation.
A moderate indeed (not). The election will be about nothing. It will be a Battle
Royale of shapeshifters. It will be the two corporatist candidates, Obama &
Romney, casting lots on behalf of the owners, for the ragged ends and scraps
that are left of this society. The corporate media is shit, and even NPR Public
Radio has gone to the dogs, typically servicing two right wing guests from the
think tanks we know too well, and working toward a foregone centrist
consensus, which is just a few nanometers from pure fascist.

I don’t know how Robert Sheer has the pluck to talk about the Repug candidate
“champing to go war with Iran”. Who assassinated those Iranian scientists?—do
you think the Israelis did? It’s hard to feature that Israel has the pull in Brussels
to get SWIFT to scratch Iran’s country code from the banking matrix. Wake up
Mr. Sheer! That is without doubt an act of war against Iran. Or if it’s still a
sanction, it’s one that renders all other sanctions moot.

And Mrs Clinton, our Secretary of State, again threatened Iran. Our diplomatic
patience is not infinite, don’t you know? The Deep State is at work here, and
Sheer knows it as well as anyone. And Sheer is a good man; and I won’t say
otherwise. But it is just too painful, I guess, to look at the two paste board
candidates, and to contemplate the sorry election season ahead.

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By - bill, April 6, 2012 at 1:09 am Link to this comment

The trouble with the irregulartimes critique of Americans Elect is that when you actually read it it’s all guilt-by-association, innuendo, and occasionally active misrepresentation rather than anything at all definitive.

Some wealthy donors who aren’t conspicuously progressive?  Check (though their Board of Advisors has people like Lawrence Lessig on it) - but they claim what they want to do is open up the system, and that’s hardly an unreasonable goal for ANYONE to want to pursue given the travesty of ‘choice’ that it currently provides.

Far less than OWS-style democratic management?  Well, if *I* had donated a bunch of cash to such an endeavor I’d take steps to try to ensure that it wasn’t wasted, so I can hardly fault them for doing so AS LONG AS they let the result live up to the goals they claimed.

Early assumptions that they’d wind up with a ‘centrist’ ticket between extremes?  It’s easy to see how people who weren’t at the ‘extremes’ themselves might expect that, but to their credit they’ve since completely written that expectation out of Americans Elect, quite possibly because the people who have signed up (which should be getting up somewhere near 1,000,000 by now - they’ve gotten over 2,500,000 signatures on their ballot initiative petitions) have on average decidedly more progressive stances than the national Democratic (let alone Republican) leadership does.

Not to put too find a point on it, irregulartimes seems to have a real bug up its ass about Americans Elect and not to have advanced any substantive reason for it.  It’s one thing to have reservations about an organization’s establishment-style leaders and backers but quite another to leap to strong conclusions without something resembling actual evidence.

I’ll be happy with AE if they simply continue on the path they appear to be pursuing.  If they nominate someone I’m not happy with, I won’t support him/her; if they nominate someone I AM at least moderately happy with, I’ll be very grateful for the opportunity to support them in an effort where they’ll at least have the ballot access they need to make a dent in the system (and given voter discomfort with the choices they’ll otherwise have available I suspect that dent might just turn out to be a significant one).

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By Palindromedary, April 6, 2012 at 12:55 am Link to this comment

Some Irregular Times article headliners:

“Americans Elect Says One Thing, Does Another Episode #472: The Lobbyist Hokey Pokey”

“Buddy Roemer Buying Votes in the Americans Elect Presidential Nomination With “Swag”

“Chairs of Americans Elect Rules Committee: A Coal/Casino GOP Lobbyist and a Lieberman Democrat”

“Americans Elect Steps Up Attacks on Democracy: Now a Corporate Board Decides Who’s On and Off the Ballot”

“Rocky Anderson Zombie Campaign Stumbles On After Americans Elect Suicide”

older articles:

“Mike Bloomberg Handing Over $80 Million to Peter Ackerman of Americans Elect”

“Americans Elect Candidate Ejection Committee Chaired by FBI, CIA, Military Research Chiefs”

“Political Director of Americans Elect: Too Much Democracy is Dangerous (and Forget Your History)”

“Americans Elect Director Christine Todd Whitman promotes Jon Huntsman, in Direct Violation of Bylaws”

“Americans Elect COO Elliot Ackerman Fibs Twice on National Television”

“Americans Elect Leaders: Bylaws are Set Up to Constrain Democracy, Favor Certain Candidates”

“Americans Elect Form 990 Shows Peter Ackerman in Firm Control from the Start”

“Americans Elect Refuses to File Public Disclosure Form 1024, Keeping its Political Business Private”

“Daniel Winslow, Listed in the past as Americans Elect Officer, Supporting Mitt Romney for President now”

“In Violation of Bylaws, Americans Elect Corporation Communicates and Acts in Favor of Certain Presidential Candidates”

All this and much, much more at the irregular times web site I mentioned before.

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By Gary Mont, April 6, 2012 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

It all boils down to one simple point.

Either Americans refuse to do anything against the fascists who rule their daily lives and everything simply gets worse till the elite take it all and move on to another country, or Americans get a common backbone and call a general strike and take the country back from the bilionaire capitalist thieves - you can offer to NOT stick their heads on pikes on main streets throughout the nation if they come along quietly…. or not.

This one act would place America at the head of all nations once again and return the long lost status of heros of freedom to the US of A, not to mention showing the rest of the world how to end the occupation of billionaire fascists entrenched in the political, financial and educational system, for all other nations of earth.

So far, the chances of American Solidarity are pretty much nil. Apparently, they still think they have too much to lose. Look again folks, you already lost it all. All you have left is your life and they’re coming for that real soon.

Obama just made your arrest and incarceration without due process, legitimate charges, or access to legal counsel, as easy as shooting citizens in a ballpark.

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By Palindromedary, April 6, 2012 at 12:15 am Link to this comment

Yes, that’s right, go to the Americans Elect web site but before you do you should check out the irregulartimes website to get a different picture of what Americans Elect is all about.

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By Palindromedary, April 5, 2012 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

Glenn Greenwald is always right on the money. Chris Hedges is most of the time. Can’t do without either.

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By Fearless, April 5, 2012 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment
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“With Ron Paul out of it ...”

Give yourself some credit for that Scheer. You and
the rest of the joke that is today’s “alternative”

A vote for Obama is a vote for drones killing humble
Islamic families that would probably give anything
just to be left alone. A vote for Obama is a vote for
the pathetic disgraces to humanity that make money
off the perpetual murder of said families. A vote for
Obama is a vote for the loss of your children and
your grant children’s freedom.

Romney would be undoubtedly worse, though I can’t
even imagine what that would look like at this point.
But vote for Obama?! F*ck you. No one’s holding a gun
to your head on election day ... yet. Don’t vote;

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By racetoinfinity, April 5, 2012 at 10:44 pm Link to this comment

It’s Obama - we have to vote for the LOTE again - we’re in that same disspiriting box.  Obama has expanded the security state shockingly (see Glenn Greenwald and Chris Hedges), but Romney would also, perhaps even more.  Obama has proven to be a centrist corporatist, a big disappointment, but Romney is a radical corporatist, and would take us back to 1890 (as far as worker and environmental rights and protections are concerned), if he could.

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By kmdyson, April 5, 2012 at 10:35 pm Link to this comment

every time I read about this particular subject I become violently upset, angry, and agitated…what is wrong with these people of the 99% who because of fear rhetoric and misinformation continue to vote against their own best interests and support politicians that will guarantee their continued slide to the bottom…

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By Korky Day, April 5, 2012 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

Americans Elect might be rigged, but what does it cost to vote on their Web page?  Nothing.  You have a better idea?  So try it.  Little risk.  Might help.

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By ChaviztaKing, April 5, 2012 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

alternative socialist rock video about Che Guevara.


Its back! The revolution is back on track.
American helicopters swarm overhead.
You know there are many people dead who didnt listen
to a word he said.
Che Guevara came to Cuban shores but the Argentinian
doctor wont spill your blood.

But hes got it on his hands, he knows what it feels
like to kill a man.
26TH July was the day, who had the price to pay?
Marxist politician aka El Che with Fidel Castro got a
part to play.

Now I know Im losing you, and I dont know what I can
But the people remember the name, Che Guevara, Viva
la Cuba!

1959, Batista gets out of line
In a country where democracy dont work
Communism your only choice, write your wrongs while
they still hear your voice
They took him down in Vallegrande, he didnt die like
a normal man
You know they hacked off his hands, they feared him
dead more than alive
At the age of 39 his life was gone, but his legend
still lives on
The streets of Santiago it travels far, No lo vamos a

Now I know Im losing you, and I dont know what I can
But the people remember the name, and they remember
who to blame
Leader of the guerilla campaign, we other throw the
government were taking the land
Shoot coward! Youre gonna kill a man! Viva la Cuba,
Che Guevara!



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By Palindromedary, April 5, 2012 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

I agree with a lot of the facts you state against Obama. He has been quite a disappointment to those of us who voted for him the first time. But what was the alternative? McCain and Palin? Egads…can you imagine?

But, I believe Mitt Romney would be even worse. Because Romney wouldn’t even have to pretend to be a President of and for the people. Romney is overtly a friend of the power elite..big business..the party of actively trying to destroy social security..and of so many other evil things I don’t even want to think about right now.  Romney has already proven what he can do to trash jobs.

Obama still has to pretend to be for those voters who voted for him…but I think that will change in his second term anyway…taking more of a further shift away from being a President of the people. Many previous supporters believe Obama is further right of the Republican party.

But, I sure wouldn’t want Mitt Romney, armed with the ability of assassinating anyone he deems fit who may be on the streets of America..or in their homes…writing such things as we have been writing in blogs that he may take offense to. I don’t even want Obama to have these powers.

Yes, many of these very frightening violations of our privacy and safety from our own government is happening on Obama’s watch.  And it is terrifying! I just don’t know how much of it is being actively being pushed through on the active enthusiasm of Obama if he were not threatened in some way. Is he the originator of these things, or is he really just powerless against refuting and fighting them? Would he end up like JFK if he did?

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By Ted Whitney, April 5, 2012 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment
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After all the terror, slaughter, blight, and ruin that America has brought to the rest
of the world, we are finally getting some of what we deserve.

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By Clash, April 5, 2012 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

Let’s see, the choices for emperor are, Santorum, who would try to bring back the inquisition, whew missed it by that much. The little guy with the crazy son who would watch while you died in the street if you didn’t have your debit our credit card on you, wow that would be great. Or the duplicitous S.O.B Gingrich, thought we missed that one along time ago. Then we have the contestant in the magic underwear who would sell his mother if there were a profit to be made. Scum one and all in my humble opinion. Obama the devil you know, could be worse, Jeb Bush, anyone, anyone?

Leefeller is correct we are getting screwed, have been getting screwed, and probably will be screwed in the future.

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By Occupy Robert Scheer, April 5, 2012 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment
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Break with the Democrats! No more “lesser-of-two-evilism”! If you are a Democratic politician, you are part of the problem, and if you write lame “our only choice is Obama” essays, you are part of the problem! Build an independent political party of and for the working class! If we have to sit out 2012 to start building a party, then so be it! Build it now!

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By SoTexGuy, April 5, 2012 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

Nuts.. sit it out. If Romney or Obama wins it with some margin of only maybe 40
percent of eligible voters they will be dead ducks politically and legislatively.


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By Gary Mont, April 5, 2012 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

Obama since 07/09/11 Cont.

Awarded $250 million in government contracts to Blackwater

Dramatically increased the use of drone bombers in Pakistan, resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties

Won the right to keep identities of prisoners at Bagram “black site” a secret

Cracked down on government whistleblowers more than any President in history

Used cluster bombs in Yemen, resulting in the deaths of 14 militants, and 35 women and children

Continued Bush policy of blocking use of the Endangered Species Act to prevent climate change

Sent 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan

Gave permits to BP and other oil companies, exempting them from environmental protection laws

Appointed Lawrence Summers as his top economic adviser

Appointed Timothy Geithner to run the Treasury

Passed a massive bailout of Wall Street, at the taxpayers’ expense

Appointed Monsanto executive Michael Taylor to the FDA

Appointed former Monsanto lobbyist Islam Siddiqui as America’s Chief Agriculture Negotiator

Sided with utility companies in lawsuit to stop greenhouse gas emissions

Successfully protected Bush officials from prosecution for torture

Pushed for a 5 year prison term for Charles Lynch, the operator of a medical marijuana dispensary, legal under California law

Proposed a three year freeze on domestic spending, exempting cuts from the Pentagon and Homeland Security

Argued that the widespread use of Predator drones is a justifiable form of self-defense

Revived “Prompt Global Strike” weapons system, considered too controversial by Bush Administration

Backed off on his promise to close the prison at Guantanamo

Reaffirmed his opposition to same-sex marriage

Announced over $8 billion in loan guarantees to promote nuclear power

Promised $30 billion in military aid to Israel over the next decade

Successfully prosecuted child soldier Omar Khadr using evidence obtained through torture

Granted 27 waivers to oil companies drilling in the few weeks following the Deepwater Horizon disaster

Operated a “black site” at Bagram airbase, where the Red Cross has reported detainee abuse

Won the right to deny habeas corpus to detainees

Once wrote: “I trust that you will continue to let me and other Democrats know when you believe we are screwing up. And I, in turn, will always try and show you the respect and candor one owes his friends and allies.”

Eased restrictions on the use of child soldiers in Africa

Blocked UN human rights investigations at Guantanamo


Anyone care to add to this astounding list of Republican accomplishments from 06/09/11 to today?

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By Gary Mont, April 5, 2012 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

My, my.

TD has certainly lost its defining edge during my absence.


truedigger3 wrote:

Gary Mont wrote:

“All but one related to British King
SALINAS, Calif.—A seventh-grader and her 80-year-old grandfather are allegedly the first people to discover that President Barack Obama is related to all other U.S. presidents except one.”

Gary Mont,
That is nonsense and I suspect it is cheap attempt for diverting the discussion!
The Magna Carta was signed about 800 years ago and you are telling me that there are people who were able to trace their roots for that long across the upheavals, wars, distruction of records, relocations and crossing the Atlantic into complete new world!.
Did ALL the records survive all that time!!??  Who had the time and did all the travel to do all that tracking for 44 persons!!?? Get out a here!


Simply dismissed out of hand without even the smallest attempt to verify or refute??

Remarkable… or maybe not.

I had hoped for a better refutation - one based on actual research rather than simple opinion based on the difficulty involved in actual reserach - but perhaps I should have known better.

C’est la vie eh. smile

And FYI, it was an attempt at showing folks just how silly the “We Love Obama Anyway” crowd really is.

Obama’s record as of 09/06/11:

Launched FBI raids on antiwar activists in Chicago and Minneapolis

Used a signing statement to ignore labor and environmental standards for the IMF and World Bank

Supports the coup government in Honduras

Reversed his position on drug reimportation to appease the pharmaceutical industry

Dropped charges against the CIA for destroying videotapes documenting torture of detainees

Violated his own ban on lobbyists working for the administration

Appointed Rahm Emanuel as his Chief of Staff

Deported record numbers of undocumented immigrants

Continued renditions of alleged terrorists to countries where they could be tortured

Opposed marriage equality by appealing challenges to DOMA, the so-called “Defense of Marriage Act”

Blocked the release of photos documenting the torture and abuse of detainees by the US military

Continued the practice of indefinite detentions for alleged terrorist

Refused to sign a treaty banning the use of landmines

Extended the Patriot Act without making any reforms

Pushed for mandatory DNA testing of those arrested for crimes, regardless of whether they have been convicted

Dramatically increased government secrecy, blocking more FOIA requests in 2009 than Bush did in 2008

Cut a secret deal to kill the public option, while campaigning on its behalf

Cut a deal to exempt abortion services from health care reform

Continued to defend the military’s “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell Policy” from legal challenges

Granted waivers for 30 companies, including McDonald’s, exempting them from health care reform

Announced a $60 billion sale of arms to the Saudi Arabian dictatorship, the largest arms deal in history

Won the right to invoke “state secrets” protecting the Bush administration from criminal prosecution

Failed to disclose visits by industry executives while crafting health care reform legislation

Authorized the assassination of US citizens abroad, an unprecedented declaration of executive power

Censored reporters covering military tribunals at Guantanamo

Fought for government immunity in prosecutions for domestic spying.

(Continued next post.)

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By Palindromedary, April 5, 2012 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

Yes, marriea, I get a similar drift about this. What better way for the ruling elite to chase waning and disenfranchised voters scurrying back to the polls, rather than rebel in the streets, and vote for the least evil. In order to make Obama seem the least evil they have to really run some wicked psychopaths against him. They know that the American voter is so ticked off at the ruling elite…focusing, of course, on the Republicans…to take the heat that by scaring voters to vote for Obama again will foster more hope. And hope will cause people to settle back down in their easy chairs in front of their TV sets to watch more propaganda or other inane pablum topics.

Just remember that the ruling elite wins when we are not actively rebelling against them. And they do this by fostering hope. When you come to realize that hope is the trap then you will take other active means of effecting change other than the folly of the rigged election system.

So, there may very well be a method to this madness of a menagerie of egregious Republican candidates.

But, despite all that I have said, I may yet still vote for Obama just because I like him for so many other non-political reasons. Mostly, I just want to tick off those idiot Republicans.

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By Palindromedary, April 5, 2012 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” “I am the great and powerful OZ!”

That’s right, Leefeller, no one really knows for sure just who is really pulling the strings behind any particular organization. About the only organization I really trust above all others, and they aren’t a regimented leader-led organization…and that is the Occupy Wall Street movement.

OWS is much more powerful than the Tea Party because it is not aligned with wealthy and powerful backers like the Koch brothers. And more Americans align themselves with OWS than with the Tea Party…or Americans Elect…two peas in a pod. OWS is an organization in the respect that each participant has a primary singular goal of changing the system away from the current exploitative one and targets the 1% as the primary cause of our ills. And there isn’t any one “leader” that can be corrupted by the organized criminals that currently have power over us.

The only concern I have about Occupy Wall Street is that they seem to be following the same kind of “overthrow of the system” by “internal dissent” as is preached and taught by Peter Ackerman’s International Center for Non-Violent Conflict (sounds nice doesn’t it…non-violent conflict…sounds like a great alternative to violent conflict). Well, that is an organization that is now thought by many to be doing the covert work of the right-wing CIA…overthrowing foreign governments we don’t like by training and funding internal conflict within these countries.

I often wonder just how much this group has had a hand in fomenting, training, and funding all the uprisings in the Arab world. Some might think this was a good thing…overthrowing those damn dictators who exploited the people. And I am glad they did. But I believe that if the US, perhaps through ICNC and other CIA related groups, did have a hand in this that it certainly had nothing to do with saving the people from their dictators..but instead we used the people to overthrow dictators who were becoming increasingly unresponsive to the dictates of the US.

Now, whether Peter Ackerman’s organization, ICNC, or associated Freedom House, or the Arlington Institute, or Cato…..all connected with Peter Ackerman…has had any hand in the Occupy Wall Street groups…I don’t know. And if they have, how did they think they could benefit from it? Usher in their Americans Elect dictator? But, I believe that the fundamental idea behind OWS is quite necessary to bring about change for the benefit of the majority of Americans. Aside from the caveats and concerns I mentioned already, I believe the OWS movement will foster in change that would not have occurred at the ballot box.

note: Throughout the 70s and 80s, the CIA earned such a scorched reputation that now they seem to be using private companies and organizations as plausible deniability mechanisms so that they can say…“see, we didn’t do this!” And some of these organizations have such liberal or progressive (how can you hate them) names as cover and often many liberals and progressives get suckered in to supporting them.

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By marriea, April 5, 2012 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

To be honest with you, I don’t think the GOP wants to really win. They truly can’t run on their record as leaders. I can’t help but think that is the real reason Christie didn’t throw his hat into the fray.
I don’t think even McCain wanted to win which is why he chose someone like Palin as his running mate. Oh don’t get me wrong, Palin was dead serious, so serious in fact that she still considers herself relevent. When I listen at the things Santorum says, he’s so out there I can’t help but think that man has issues I’m not sure even he is aware of them. Newt is well the Newt. I also wonder how much of the money coming from campaign coffers do they get to keep. I truly hope Mr. Obama wins. During his first term he had to be very restrained. I look forward to seeing a different Obama the second time around.

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By PGEddington, April 5, 2012 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

The defining issue of our time is the runaway Cult of the National Security State. The
mortal threat of unchecked executive power—a president who arrogates unto himself
alone the power to decide who lives and who dies—is the paramount issue of our time,
just as it was in 1776. This president is the most dangerous man to occupy the White
House since Nixon. That Scheer—someone who lived through Vietnam and Watergate—
does not recognize that fact is more a cause for sadness than anger.

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