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Posted on Apr 19, 2010
AP / Hussein Malla

By Chris Hedges

Noam Chomsky is America’s greatest intellectual. His massive body of work, which includes nearly 100 books, has for decades deflated and exposed the lies of the power elite and the myths they perpetrate. Chomsky has done this despite being blacklisted by the commercial media, turned into a pariah by the academy and, by his own admission, being a pedantic and at times slightly boring speaker. He combines moral autonomy with rigorous scholarship, a remarkable grasp of detail and a searing intellect. He curtly dismisses our two-party system as a mirage orchestrated by the corporate state, excoriates the liberal intelligentsia for being fops and courtiers and describes the drivel of the commercial media as a form of “brainwashing.” And as our nation’s most prescient critic of unregulated capitalism, globalization and the poison of empire, he enters his 81st year warning us that we have little time left to save our anemic democracy.

“It is very similar to late Weimar Germany,” Chomsky told me when I called him at his office in Cambridge, Mass. “The parallels are striking. There was also tremendous disillusionment with the parliamentary system. The most striking fact about Weimar was not that the Nazis managed to destroy the Social Democrats and the Communists but that the traditional parties, the Conservative and Liberal parties, were hated and disappeared. It left a vacuum which the Nazis very cleverly and intelligently managed to take over.”

“The United States is extremely lucky that no honest, charismatic figure has arisen,” Chomsky went on. “Every charismatic figure is such an obvious crook that he destroys himself, like McCarthy or Nixon or the evangelist preachers. If somebody comes along who is charismatic and honest this country is in real trouble because of the frustration, disillusionment, the justified anger and the absence of any coherent response. What are people supposed to think if someone says ‘I have got an answer, we have an enemy’? There it was the Jews. Here it will be the illegal immigrants and the blacks. We will be told that white males are a persecuted minority. We will be told we have to defend ourselves and the honor of the nation. Military force will be exalted. People will be beaten up. This could become an overwhelming force. And if it happens it will be more dangerous than Germany. The United States is the world power. Germany was powerful but had more powerful antagonists. I don’t think all this is very far away. If the polls are accurate it is not the Republicans but the right-wing Republicans, the crazed Republicans, who will sweep the next election.”

“I have never seen anything like this in my lifetime,” Chomsky added. “I am old enough to remember the 1930s. My whole family was unemployed. There were far more desperate conditions than today. But it was hopeful. People had hope. The CIO was organizing. No one wants to say it anymore but the Communist Party was the spearhead for labor and civil rights organizing. Even things like giving my unemployed seamstress aunt a week in the country. It was a life. There is nothing like that now. The mood of the country is frightening. The level of anger, frustration and hatred of institutions is not organized in a constructive way. It is going off into self-destructive fantasies.”

“I listen to talk radio,” Chomsky said. “I don’t want to hear Rush Limbaugh. I want to hear the people calling in. They are like [suicide pilot] Joe Stack. What is happening to me? I have done all the right things. I am a God-fearing Christian. I work hard for my family. I have a gun. I believe in the values of the country and my life is collapsing.”

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By amunaor, April 25, 2010 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

But…..Shenonymous, your Procrustes Solution is precisely Your Solution, only – as you put it - in a Cinderella dress!
**********************

((By Shenonymous, April 25 at 3:41 pm
amunaor, that is the classic Bell Curve approach, or in Plato’s time, the
Procrustes Solution as I call it.))

((By Shenonymous, April 25 at 1:27 am
It would almost be like forcing the shoe on the completely misshapen foot of the gawky
stepsister.  It might be time to get a new pair of shoes, or do radical surgery on the foot.))

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder – Brought to You By Disaster Capitalism:
http://www.collateralmurder.com/

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

The law that is refered to ...is that the law
that requires this capitolism to have the world’s
largest prison population and lets international
war crimes go free?

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By Big Bill, April 25, 2010 at 11:44 am Link to this comment
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Noam Chomsky is certainly not America’s greatest intellectual but for decades has he worked diligently to foster the downward spiral of the American political and economic system.

If you feel that socialim, communism is to your liking, you are welcome to it. Just find a country that suites your fancy and move! Hmmm, hard to find such a utopia that has not only survived but prospered? I regreat that many who post herein offer up their sincerely simpleton views of the world. There will be a time coming where theory is again smitten by reality. Nutbars and fruitcakes enjoy your brief power play. Democracy works and this Republic shall stand. 

“Even things like giving my unemployed seamstress aunt a week in the country. It was a life.” Please. What pablum!

Noam said “In many respects, the United States is the freest country in the world. I don’t just mean in terms of limits on state coercion, though that’s true too, but also in terms of individual relations. The United States comes closer to classlessness in terms of interpersonal relations than virtually any society.”

So, the United States represents the best of all possible environments yet you want to “change” it.

Fools that you are.

Big Bill

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

I wouldn’t say impervious, Anarcissie, to socialism, but difficult to
convince as the argument would have to transcend the socialist
doctrinaire discharge of the individual.  I was sure I made that perfectly
clear. 

Seems to me the libertarian, anarchist view is completely intransigent
and decidedly against the socialist point of view even more than the
Democratic capitalist, although you have not clearly shown that
perspective on this forum.  But as I have noted before, the ID name
you choose gives a clue.  While the libertarian is for little government
interference in private life and private earning, the anarchist on the
other hand wants no government which is more than a tad different
from the libertarian.  Lawlessness is waiting in the holster of the
anarchist.  If that is your bag, it would be closer to OzarkMichael’s
ultra-right wing conservative tableau and probably would march longer
and louder than the Teabaggers.

That is your and his prerogative and right of course, unless militant
sedition or insurrection is called such as does Tennessee-Socialist.  I
see your and his sentiments as extreme polarly, or diametrically, the
same, not opposed as prima facie thought!  Then it oversteps the law. 
As long as live and let live is the slogan and action, they are
conceptions I can tolerate. 

amunaor, that is the classic Bell Curve approach, or in Plato’s time, the
Procrustes Solution as I call it.

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By amunaor, April 25, 2010 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

Oooops!

RE: Anarcissie, April 25 at 2:44 pm

In this case, even the amputation of both the ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ foot will not the clear the foggy vision!

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder – Brought to You By Disaster Capitalism:
http://www.collateralmurder.com/


Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By amunaor, April 25, 2010 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

RE: Anarcissie, April 25 at 2:44 pm

In this case, amputating both the ‘Left’ and ‘Right’ foot will the clear the foggy vision!

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder – Brought to You By Disaster Capitalism:
http://www.collateralmurder.com/


Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

The month and year this capitolism produced at

  trade surplus was ??

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

Those Mexicans don’t want to immigrate to the U.S.,
  they have been forced to by the policy of our
  government and their government.

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

$1,400,000,000,000.00

  That is the deficit of this capitolism for just
  one year !!!!
  That is a bunch of zeros..

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By Anarcissie, April 25, 2010 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous—Fascism was adequately defined by Mussolini: “Everything inside the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.” 

I see you are completely impervious to the socialist idea so I will not persist.  It is a curious resistance, though.

OzarkMichael—If you use “Left” and “Right” with their traditional meanings, then you would place me n the far Left (libertarian, anarchist), the Right being the friends of the King of France (i.e., authority, order, hierarchy, the military virtues, etc.) and Left his opponents (i.e. libertarians, egalitarians, pacifists).  Needless to say these terms, too, have been sadly muddied.

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By Anarcissie, April 25, 2010 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous—Fascism was adequately described by Mussolini: “Everything inside the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”  It is true this definition leaves out the nationalism or racism usually associated with pre-World War 2 fascism, but that makes it all the more relevant for contemporary application.

I see you are completely impervious to the socialist idea so I will not persist.  It is a curious resistance, though.

OzarkMichael—If you use “Left” and “Right” with their traditional meanings, then you would place me on the far Left (libertarian, anarchist), the Right being the friends of the King of France (i.e., authority, order, hierarchy, the military virtues, etc.) and Left his opponents (i.e. libertarians, egalitarians, pacifists).  Needless to say these terms, too, have been sadly muddied.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

Blood has spilled between peoples since before the Neanderthals. 
Those who do not study history do not know much about the human
race.  Funny how capitalism is the socioeconomic structure of choice of
more and more countries, who are basing their government on that of
democratic United States.  The fact that more humans want would
rather immigrate to the US than any where else ought to say something
if anyone cares to listen.  The chronic complainer is one who never has
a rational solution but plenty of moans and groans.  Capitalistic
machinery does not have killing as part of its doctrine as does Marxist
communism.  That is the face of insanity, one does not even have to
peek.  That pile of “dead bastards,” I don’t know who said that besides
amunaor, as I rarely listen to the polyglot rhetoric called the media, was
to neutralize the terrorists who would assault and kill Americans and
other Westerners.  Collateral murder is for those who would attempt to
conquer a land for their own use.  America has not added to its
borders since Guam in 1950.

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By amunaor, April 25, 2010 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Flowery oratory and chest-thumping aside; everyone can binge-n-purge all they like, but at the end of the day; that day will come, when confronted by the gore, left in the wake of predation and unchecked egos, no one will be able to say, “sorry, I just didn’t know”. There won’t be enough Prilosec left on the shelves to squelch that, oh so queasy feeling.

I wonder, during the past two decades while Shock-n-Awe Capitalism has been reigning down upon the Middle East, how many of those ‘incorrigibles’ have been Pinochet’d in the process – you know, disappeared – to clean the slate for the, so called, Free-Markets?

But they’re Free; the ‘Capital’ Machinery of the U.S. - paid for by you and me - has set the poor ‘dead’ bastards free; and look at all the friends its made in the process……they absolutely love us!

Fact is, they hate us so much that, out of paranoia, the U.S. Merchants of Death, along with their Wall Street enablers, will have no choice but to kill every one of them, just to ‘feel safe’.

As long as everyone can ‘silently’ take refuge behind those BIG guns of predation, who gives a shite; that is, until the day the powder runs dry, then all of the friends it’s made will be clamoring to greet them.

Do you wish to ‘peek’ into the face of insanity…

Yes, “Just look at the pile of dead bastards over there”  - growing bigger by the moment! Out of sight, out of mind; for now!

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder – Brought to You By Disaster Capitalism:
http://www.collateralmurder.com/

Sweet Bloody Dreams

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By Robert, April 25, 2010 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

By Leefeller, April 25 at 1:00 pm #


Knee cap breaking news!

Number one most annoying poster on TD is falling behind
and may be number three, according to a poll by the
oblivious group known as the “Truth Dig dogma catchers”!

It seems Robert has maintained the number one most
annoying slot for many months now and with out question
held the most annoying poster in TD history,.... until
now!

Unfortunately for Robert, he is now behind sucking air in
the polls. Rival posters on TD have jumped ahead and
taken the lead as the most annoying posters, forcing
Robert to the back of the annoying pack!

According to obscure sources,  Cut and Pasty is not what
used to be! Sadly for Robert insulting and rambling have
become vogue and jumped to the front grabbing the number
one and two most annoying slots.  Accordingly Robert is
an expert rambler, but has major problems in the
insulting department, though our well hidden sources say
Robert is diligently working on it!

===========

Ramble away…weefeller...It sounds that you might need some WD40 spray on those squeaky jaws. You sound like a squealing hog in a feeding pen…nothing more & nothing less for your efforts…

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By Inherit The Wind, April 25, 2010 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

Robert, in the interest of truth in advertising, you should change your handle to “Red Herring Robert” as you continue to go off on tangents while hurling insults and false accusations. 

Did you actually count 470 posts on this thread that were not relevant?

And did you determine relevancy by whether they attacked Israel (Yes) or actually talked about Hedges, Chomsky and their respective ideas and implications (No)?

Or did you just make that number up?

So…you are either a liar who made a number up, or a pedantic bean-counter who has nothing better to do.

By your own words.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

Personally I like to make up new idioms and often have.  It might be
the perennial poet in me that loves words and how they may be
reinterpreted.  It is one of my missions to disinfect the language from
the disease of ambiguity as I am always calling for speakers to clarify
what they are saying.  It seems that to reinfuse vigor in a word that has
become overused and hence lost its emotional fervor, it has to be used
selectively and with other forceful words to recapture its propagandistic
essence.  I wouldn’t want anyone to give up sex, their drugs, or
rock’n'roll.  That was not in the least what I was advocating.  Funny
how just a little spin on one’s words can crawl in to boost one’s own
thesis.  I am a fan of Henry Rollins and Korn, but Bobby Dylan is my fav
and can listen to his music all day long, and often do.  My collection of
his tunes exceeds 100.  So as far as deviant music goes, some would
say Pink Floyd promotes drug use, and although I have never been a
recreational drug user, I do use health-saving drugs and recommend
that ‘propaedeutic” for anyone needing to supplement their well-being
thusly.  I would put wine and beer on the list of the transcendent joys
of life along with fresh fruit.

Socialism - as uniquely defined by Marx might have been a mutation in
itself since the word socialism predates Marxist socialism.  Socialism is
definable as any form of government that controls various industries
away from the private sector. All governments have some elements of
socialism in the mix because there are just some things that the private
sector cannot do. The debate is over just how much the government
should do. Essentially socialism in general refers to an economic
system, while Marxism generally refers to both an economic and a
political system.  As an economic system, socialism manages the
economy through deliberate and collective social control by a central
government. Marxist socialism (or communism) would manage both the
economy and the society by ensuring that property is owned
collectively, and that control over the distribution of property is
absolutely centralized in order to achieve both classlessness and
statelessness. Socialism and Marxism are similar in that they are
organized to prevent the ill effects that are sometimes produced by
capitalism which stem from unregulated private ownership.  Both
socialism and communism are based on the principle that the goods
and services produced in an economy should be owned publicly, and
controlled and planned by an absolute centralized organization. 
Socialism asserts that the distribution should take place according to
the amount of individuals’ production efforts, and Marxism commands
that that goods and services are distributed among the populace
according to individuals’ needs.  How that is determined is never clear
which allows corruption, that is always lurking in any form of social
structure, to creep in.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Marxist communism asserts that both capitalism and private ownership
of the means of production and property must be done away with as
soon as possible in order to make sure a classless society, the
communist ideal, is formed even if that means militant means.  They
wish to destroy before rebuilding.  Socialists, however, see capitalism
as a possible part of the ideal state and believe that socialism can exist
in a capitalist society. In fact, one of the ideas of socialism is that
everyone within the society will benefit from capitalism as much as
possible as long as the capitalism is controlled somehow by a
centralized planning system.  From the sensitive capitalist view, some
socialistic programs are required to serve the needs of a large
population in terms of nation-wide needs such as roads, equivalent
education, food and health provision.

The primary difference between socialism and Marxist communism is
centered on who controls the structure of economy. Socialism aims to
have as many people as possible influence how the economy works,
Communists seek to limit that number to a smaller group, a politburo
or central committee.

Seems to me that if these distinctions are made about the word
socialism it would alleviate much confusion and the word would reclaim
its original status. 

Fascism, over recent history, I think has become defused of its fierce
meaning from use fatigue and needs robustly redefined for the public
to truly understand what totalitarian authoritarianism means.  It should
even be propagandized for the evil that it is.  Would you care to give it
its deserved definition?

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By Leefeller, April 25, 2010 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

Knee cap breaking news!

Number one most annoying poster on TD is falling behind
and may be number three, according to a poll by the
oblivious group known as the “Truth Dig dogma catchers”!

It seems Robert has maintained the number one most
annoying slot for many months now and with out question
held the most annoying poster in TD history,.... until
now!

Unfortunately for Robert, he is now behind sucking air in
the polls. Rival posters on TD have jumped ahead and
taken the lead as the most annoying posters, forcing
Robert to the back of the annoying pack!

According to obscure sources,  Cut and Pasty is not what
used to be! Sadly for Robert insulting and rambling have
become vogue and jumped to the front grabbing the number
one and two most annoying slots.  Accordingly Robert is
an expert rambler, but has major problems in the
insulting department, though our well hidden sources say
Robert is diligently working on it!

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By Anarcissie, April 25, 2010 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, April 25 at 1:27 am:
’... It seems elementary what to do to reinvigorate words sapped from their original meaning.  The first and obvious is to use the word correctly.  Since Orwell is the darling, though Weil and a few others also had insight into this problem, Orwell enumerated a few things of what not to do:
*Resist using dying metaphors (cliches that have been over used and are now gone stale)
*Trade wordy phrases for single words
*Give up pretentious diction
*Avoid meaningless words that may be open to interpretaion that don’t
say anything precise anymore, i.e., fascism, capitalism, socialism ...  Proletariat, bourgeois, blah, blah)’

I’m certainly not going to give up pretentious diction.  It’s right up there with sex, drugs and rock’n'roll as one of the transcendent joys of life.

As to the rest, while socialism has been absurdly mutated and fascism emptied of meaning beyond a sort of generic insult, others remain usable and even exciting.  I have found that old-time Marxist rhetoric draws a great deal of attention.  Many a time in Internet and other discussions I have uttered the word bourgeoisie and lured some sucker, sure I didn’t know what I was talking about, into close range for a sound (rhetorical) thrashing.

Occasionally, though, I’d like to convey something more subtle than the business end of a blunt instrument.  And so I miss having a word to mean “the ownership and control of the means of production by the workers”.

But maybe it’s better for the actual, on-the-ground politics.  After all, if there’s no word for it, the ruling class can’t identify it and it’s running free in the outlands, meeting others of its kind and multiplying.

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

I believe some of it is just plain Western Jealousy
  kinda cowboy thing….because the Arabs and Persians
  had to teach them how to count and that the world
  was really round.

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By Robert, April 25, 2010 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, April 25 at 12:19 am #


ITW…your slurs hurling at me were numerous, I could not keep count of them. You’ve called me “anti-semitic, Jew-hater, nazi, Israel-hater” and many more. Yet I have NOT said one thing that was demeaning/offensive about Jews. I defy you to find one post that I posted on TD that is/was insulting/offensive about Jews…ITW.
*************************************************

Um, you are kidding, right?

Just today you posted:
Robert, April 24 at 1:42 am #

Yasher Koah, Judge Goldstone

04.22.2010 | Jerusalem Post

What the South African Jewish community did last week was shameful.

“Judge Richard Goldstone, talking last October with a group of liberal North American rabbis, explained why he agreed to head the UN’s investigation of the war in Gaza…..

Now WTF does THIS have to do with Hedges’ article on Noam Chomsky?  NOTHING! But it’s yet another post, by YOU, about Jews behaving badly that you like to post, solely to show YET AGAIN how so many Jews are “bad people”.  There’s a million articles in a million news outlets every day showing how people can behave like assholes, but you ALWAYS pick the ones about Jews, or supporters of Israel.

Not once, ever, NEVER have I seen you post an article critical of Arabs—unless, of course, they supported making REAL peace with Israel.  Your complete and total focus in every post is how evil Israel is, and how evil anyone is who doesn’t want to see it destroyed.

Yet, in all this, is STILL another Robert red-herring.  Which is, of course, that Robert cannot support his lying assertions that I am an avid supporter of any and all governments of Israel, no matter how right-wing and Bush-like they are.

Of course he cannot support that assertion.  Thus the red-herring—but too bad it’s a rotten one at that.

+++++++++++++

Oh Really…ITW!

Yasher Koah is Jewish, most likely an Israeli, whose article on Goldstone is in the Jerusalem Post.

So by your own warped logic, one could call Yasher Koah, anti-semitic, a self-hating Jew, Israel hater…etc…for publishing an article about Goldstone’s “moral courage” for speaking the truth about Israel’s atrocities in Gaza in 12/2008-01/2009. Also, Goldstone was prevented from attending his grandson’s barmitzva ,just recently, for telling the truth. In my opinion, that is petty and shameful.

I didn’t hear you condemn Israel’s brutality/murders of innocent Palestinians. Israel was shredding and murdering Palestinian children, grandmothers, mothers…etc…in Gaza and some of them were holding and waving white flags.

I saw where folktruther spoke out/condemned such overwhelming force with the use of chemical weapons on a mostly unarmed civilian population. About 1400 were slaughtered. You, on the other hand, called folktruther a “self-hating Jew” for speaking out against Israel’s brutal army killers and its massive killings of civilians.

BTW, Olmert and Livni were in charge during the Israeli massacres in Gaza 12/2008-01/2009.

And while you are at it, take a good look at all the 470 plus posts/comments and tell us if they are related to the topic of this thread?

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 6:48 am Link to this comment

All the new oil drilling platforms they are going
to put on the coast,  we see how well that is going to
work out.

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

and of course,

  the sixteen million that are supposed to be covered
  immediatly by state medicaid is also proving to be
  a farce.

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By Shenonymous, April 25, 2010 at 6:21 am Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist says -  April 24 at 5:01 pm “DEAR INHERIT THE
WINDS, SHENANONYMOUS AND OTHER FRIENDS I LOVE YOU ALL, DON’T
TAKE POLITICS PERSONALLY, WE ARE HERE IN A WAR OF IDEAS, TRYING
TO FIND A FORMULA TO SAVE USA. WE ARE NOT HERE TO HATE EACH
OTHER.  THAT’S WHAT THE 5% USA MONOPOLY-CLASS WANTS, TO
DIVIDE US ALL !!”

Frankly speaking Tennessee, your declaration of love seems most
disingenuous.  Using the word love in that manner nullifies its potency
as an expression of deep affection.  Of course I take politics personally. 
Only an idiot would not.  And I take it seriously. 

Oh but I do reject the kind of socialism you are trafficking.  I am not
scared of socialism nor do I dislike you because you are a soviet-styled
socialist.  What I do abhor is militant intimidation.  I do not know you
except as an electronic Internet ghost therefore have no emotional
attachment to your personification.  I reject your cast of socialism
because in spite of the vast amount of reasoned argument for
collectivity, I am not convinced it is the right kind of government where
individuals can flourish.  Reasoned but not rational in my view.  I reject
communal living systems.  For me, it represents a hive mentality.  I
reject an absolutist centralized and opaque form of government.  I
reject a capitulation of freedoms for the “greater good.”  I reject being
aggressively coerced to follow a fixed set of beliefs.  I believe
democracy based on regulated capitalism is the only form of
politicoeconomic government that is equitable and promotional not
only for all Americans but all people everywhere.  Have a nice day.

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By elisalouisa, April 25, 2010 at 5:54 am Link to this comment

nemesis2010   You are correct in your comment that few things in this universe are either/or. However, one must admit that our day has light and dark, electricity has plus and minus our bodies two sides, left and right, heart and liver, etc. Prior to the advent of WMDa and also biological weapons, those who were power hungry, cruel and ruthless could through their mighty armies inflict much suffering and destruction, however, it was limited for many reasons. Those who rule and have mighty military power now can destroy the earth, bring on cancer and biologically revamp the genes within each person in a negative manner. The winner does not take all, the winner takes nothing, do you hear? Nothing. We are desensitized to the destruction we are causing to the not only other humans but to the earth. Our species may have advanced scientifically but that is the only way. Our being has not advanced. Our barbaric ways are very much with us as evidenced by this thread. There is no hiding
place now for our water is being contaminated and the poisonous clouds of a nuclear weapons can carry to the far corners of the earth. Your rags to riches story will not save you, nor will your might makes right attitude. Think about that one as you sit back in your easy chair and sip your drink.
Added notes: That tiny spark of energy aka the soul lives on after death of the body for all is recycled on this earth. “We/I” as an entity may not. Period, Enough said.
Things have become ugly on this thread. The attacks on other posters are bad enough but it seems the line of what little decency is left is crossed when the dear mothers and fathers of posters are insulted also.
Suggested reading: ‘Modern Man in Search of a Soul’, ‘Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious’ by Carl Gustav Jung.

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 5:26 am Link to this comment

They kill people, everyday, a lot of them
  they tap our phones
  they lock up 14 year old boys for years without charges
  and many other innocent people
  they torture people
  they belong behind bars
 
  Why are so many citizens OK with this?

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 12:56 am Link to this comment

Capitolism requires the largest prison system in the
  WORLD

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 12:54 am Link to this comment

Capitolism only measures success by the reading of a
ticker tape and not by the health and education of
it citizenry or the health of the planet.

To achieve its high Dow numbers, perpetual war that
launches radioactive projectiles to achieve its ends.

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 12:46 am Link to this comment

Capitolism produces a health care system that
is in the business to deny health care rather
than to provide health care.

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By ofersince72, April 25, 2010 at 12:27 am Link to this comment

Our capitolist government has produced an educational
system tha ranks about last in everything.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 10:47 pm Link to this comment

SHENONYMOUS: JESUS WAS THE FOUNDER OF SOCIALISM

LISTEN TO THESE GREAT MP3S BY TROTSKIST PHILOSOPHERS

http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/audio/index.htm

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment

Always on a frolic of my own…

Anarcissie says - “I am cursed with reason,”
Shenonymous replies - As opposed to “emotion?”  By coughing on me,
Anarcissie, are you implying I need some of your brand of
reasoning?  That your reasoning is infectious is a curious, and almost
self-aggrandizing, formularization.  As if your species of reasoning is
the archetype. Since your reasoning would have been otherworldly
germinated from your admitted extraterrestrial origin, what could it
really know of human potential for intelligence or human capacity for
the power of reasoning. It would be required to conjecture at best. 
Please don’t cough in my direction.

Using reason does not guarantee rationality.  The insane more than not
use their reasoning powers to negotiate their unreal world.

True, it is not always possible for words to be understood quickly.  And
if a word has gone out of fashion or the meaning turned as on a lathe
into a hollow vessel of meaning, having little content, or moderated so
that the original meaning is no longer recognizable, it becomes a
Cinderella of a word, and the old shoe does not fit.  It would almost be
like forcing the shoe on the completely misshapen foot of the gawky
stepsister.  It might be time to get a new pair of shoes, or do radical
surgery on the foot. 

Is it true that the terms of political theory has been 1984-ized?  It is
fashionable to use Orwell’s theory of Newspeak that a decline of a
language had political and economic causes. Is that what you think is
really happening.  That the language is being intentonally changed in
order to force a forgetting of Oldspeak, that is the English language,
and hence literally, at least, be unthinkable?  That is a rather radical
proposition.  That the language is being systematically reduced, the
vocabulary getting smaller every year?  I think that is not really
happening in the way it is being suggested.  If anything with the influx
of various ethnic groups, the language is enlarging.  Also the
inventions of technology has invented new words to go with it.  That
Orwell spoke of politically charged words, in his collected essays on
politics and the English Language, in 1968, was not a new idea.  Harold
Chapman Brown wrote of The Use and Abuse of Language back in
1929. It is not surprising that the decay of the language can be a
handmaiden for political purposes based on a few words that have had
their meaning diluted by overuse and fatigued by petty nuances. 

It seems elementary what to do to reinvigorate words sapped from their
original meaning.  The first and obvious is to use the word correctly. 
Since Orwell is the darling, though Weil and a few others also had
insight into this problem, Orwell enumerated a few things of what not
to do:
*Resist using dying metaphors (cliches that have been over used and
are now gone stale)
*Trade wordy phrases for single words
*Give up pretentious diction
*Avoid meaningless words that may be open to interpretaion that don’t
say anything precise anymore, i.e., fascism, capitalism, socialism
(Shenonymous April 23 at 6:41 The socialist language is old and
lame.  Proletariat, bourgeois, blah, blah
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By Leefeller, April 24, 2010 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

Yes seems things have become ugly, She posted some
interesting information on Bullying, evidently bullying
is prevalent at work places, school yards and now Truth
Dig.

What is interesting to me is some posters I would have
suspected of bullying have not and others have
disappointed me. (Not that they care)

The bigotry and some sexism that I have seen has also
been a surprise, some expected.  What has never made
sense to me, is if being in agreement with a premise, but
the way some folks present their premises would make any
sane person take offense, and insane persons go
ballistic, even in agreement.

In the past the assigned contingent was so obnoxious, I
was forced to support the opposing side for sanity’s
sake.  On the other hand we have Tennessee who likes his
Socialism, but promotes it with blunt offensiveness
worthy only of disagreement. High pressure sales never
work on me and I doubt things have changed. Self
righteous eye gouging is not a great sales pitch neither
or threats. Is it possible these arguments are contrived
for manipulation purposes of discord instead of resolve?

It seems Ozark Michael’s comments are astute.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 24, 2010 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

ITW…your slurs hurling at me were numerous, I could not keep count of them. You’ve called me “anti-semitic, Jew-hater, nazi, Israel-hater” and many more. Yet I have NOT said one thing that was demeaning/offensive about Jews. I defy you to find one post that I posted on TD that is/was insulting/offensive about Jews…ITW.
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Um, you are kidding, right?

Just today you posted:
Robert, April 24 at 1:42 am #

Yasher Koah, Judge Goldstone

04.22.2010 | Jerusalem Post

What the South African Jewish community did last week was shameful.

“Judge Richard Goldstone, talking last October with a group of liberal North American rabbis, explained why he agreed to head the UN’s investigation of the war in Gaza…..

Now WTF does THIS have to do with Hedges’ article on Noam Chomsky?  NOTHING! But it’s yet another post, by YOU, about Jews behaving badly that you like to post, solely to show YET AGAIN how so many Jews are “bad people”.  There’s a million articles in a million news outlets every day showing how people can behave like assholes, but you ALWAYS pick the ones about Jews, or supporters of Israel.

Not once, ever, NEVER have I seen you post an article critical of Arabs—unless, of course, they supported making REAL peace with Israel.  Your complete and total focus in every post is how evil Israel is, and how evil anyone is who doesn’t want to see it destroyed.

Yet, in all this, is STILL another Robert red-herring.  Which is, of course, that Robert cannot support his lying assertions that I am an avid supporter of any and all governments of Israel, no matter how right-wing and Bush-like they are.

Of course he cannot support that assertion.  Thus the red-herring—but too bad it’s a rotten one at that.

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By OzarkMichael, April 24, 2010 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie is right. In the USA, if there was a tussle between fascism(authoritarian nationalism) and socialism(authoritarian communism), we would be more likely to ‘choose’ fascism. It suites our temperment better.

Anarcissie, you are not found so much on the Left/ Right scale. You are located on a different axis, a vertical one, far above the common horizontal scale. You deserve to ascribe yourself as you wish. Personally, i like to reserve for myself a place higher yet. I am on the side of the angels, after all.

We both would do well to remember that Shenonymous is extremely practical. I too, have told Shenonymous that there is a vertical ladder which she ought to avail herself of. In my opinion she is some type of Christian so she might as well get ‘saved’. There is a Way that she is standing right under and all she has to do is break out of the old way of thinking.

But then She starts asking all sorts of practical questions, just like she did with you, Anarcissie. Sharp words might even be exchanged. Well, thats the price we pay for enlightening each-other.

And now I ask everyone to consider: We all have our convictions, our intelligence, our hard-won life experiences, and most of all our pride.

Everyone on this forum wants to be heard. But not only that, we also want to make sure that we kick others just as hard as we are getting kicked. My peeps(my friendly allies and friendly foes) know that i like a good scrap as much as anyone, but there are more bruised shins here lately than i am comfortable with.

I think there is deeper bruising and some collateral bruising going on that is not in anyone’s long term interest. Its true that normally I like to see you guys divided but lately its too much.

When a conservative tries to stop people on the Left from fighting you know the fight is way out of hand.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE VERY UNINFORMED ABOUT SOCIALISM, WATCH THIS VIDEO “WHAT IS SOCIALISM” BY A LEADER OF THE WORKERS INTERNATIONAL LEAGUE (WIL):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1471875736746417530#


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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 6:57 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie: These pro-capitalism, pro-US government people, pro-US imperialism people are so wrong about the nature of United States. The United States of America has been a satanic empire, founded with a Holocaust of native american indians, founded by fascist killers, killing american indians, and bombing and destroying nations since 1776 until today. 

The USA has killed about 100 million people since 1776, and yet these people say that socialist-states have promoted violence, when it is USA bloody satanic empire which has been promoting death and bombs since 1600s

Here is a good link about the nature of the satanic bloody Dracula USA empire:

http://www.brianwillson.com/

And Another good link with MP3s about the nature of American-Fascism:

http://www.bobavakian.net  Bob Avakian talks about the differences between Jeffersonian-Democracy and Socialism in one of his MP3s

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael: Just because the majority of americans are a bunch of hicks, rednecks, hillbillies without High School Diplomas, without college education and in a state of total dumbness, that dont know what is good and what is wrong, doesn’t mean that the majority is right. It doesn’t mean that we have to go on with the stupid crowds.  If you think that the tyranny of the far-right wing hillbillies that capitalism is good is right, then you are very wrong.

In this world we have to choose what is good, not what is evil. If you live in a place where the majority is immoral, take drugs, is into junk food like USA, you don’t have to be a follower, and a slave.

Another big lie and twisting of facts of you is that you said that socialism promotes violence and the capitalism not. How wrong you are, where do you leave the millions of people killed by US government since 1776, bombing nations, and killing millions of people since 1776 until today.

How many nations did Cuba bomb? none, how many nations did Venezuela invade and destroy? none, how about Ecuador with Rafael Correa? Did he invade anybody? nope.

now lets look at the facts of USA, USA bombs, destroys and kills people all the time, because USA has a capitalist-government, capitalism is horror without end, it can only bring death, bombs, misery and poverty to humanity

Oh, by the way Jefferson and Washington were fascist killers, they ordered the extermination of native american indians. How peaceful were Jefferson, Washington and US capitalist Founder Killers.

So again, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Vietmam and even Zymbambe have not bombed anybody.

Only your Mcdonalds Capitalist Adam Smith USA kills and bombs

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By OzarkMichael, April 24, 2010 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

omop posted this on April 24 at 1:51 pm, and he has posted it elsewhere too:

One of the serious negative factors facing America today — a problem the Germans never had — is the existence of vast numbers of Christian Zionists in their midst.

Germany of course had to cope with organized Jewry, a group working from within to undermine the foundations of German society. But one scourge
Germany did not have, and which America has, is this scourge of a non-Jewish enemy within: the 60 million Christian Zionists…

I can see why omop would post this under a Chris Hedges article, since Hedges wrote about Christians as American fascists.

But omop, you are seeming to take Hitler’s side against the Jews, and you seem to suggest that today American Christians are preventing a new Hitler from succeeding.

omop, is hoping for a new Hitler to straighten the USA out. That is an impossible idea. Unlike the Jews in Nazi Germany, nearly all of us American Christians have guns(as Barack Obama lamented, we ‘cling’ to them) and we know how to use those guns, so your new Hitler would have a hard time getting rid of us. I am laughing just thinking of it.

You can come after us all you want, omop, because everyone knows you got nothin’ and can do nothin’ to good old boys like me. So your talk about the ‘Enemy’ (American Christians) is impotent and comical.

On the other hand, your anti-semitism and Holocaust denial is frightening and disgusting. It isnt an accident that you posted this crap. I know that because this is the third time I have caught you at it.

omop has crossed the line. He is posting nazi propaganda about how the ‘Jews undermined Germany’.

That isnt just foolish, it is evil. Therefor i ask all Truthdiggers to stop name calling each-other for a moment. People with good hearts can be foolish and they are still potential friends. Save your verbal ammunition for someone who really deserves it.

That someone is omop.

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By Anarcissie, April 24, 2010 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

OzarkMichael—Actually, I think the loss of the meaning of fascism is worse, because at least in the United States we are seeing greater and greater centralization of power (and have been for some time), and we at least ought to be able to discuss it and compare it to previous historical experiences of the same kind.

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By OzarkMichael, April 24, 2010 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee Socialist said: In the USA you can say that pigs can fly, and even sell a book about it.

Tennessee Socialist meant: ‘Freedom of Speech is appalling and messy.’


Tennessee Socialist said: And thats why the 9-11 truth movement has not been able to be strong, because in USA facts and evidence doesn’t work.

Tennessee Socialist meant: ‘Even though I benefit from and take refuge in Freedom of Speech to promote crazy 9-11 Truther conspiracies, I cant win because people are free to argue with me’


Tennessee Socialist said: REMEMBER THAT USA IS THE COUNTRY OF SELF-APPOINTED JUDGES.  BUT DON’T WORRY WHATEVER THE ANTI-REVOLUTION PEOPLE THINK

Tennessee Socialist meant: ‘Dont let the anti-revolution majority of American people deter you from forcing, with violence, the socialist method of “democracy” upon them, and then the USA wont be a nation of self appointed judges, but there will be only one opinion allowed.’

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By OzarkMichael, April 24, 2010 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie said: The meaning of socialism has been moved to the same denotational position fascism once occupied, while fascism and its derivatives have become an almost empty epithet.

Strange and yet true. I suppose if one cries wolf about harmless animals enough the epithet ‘wolf’ loses its ability to evoke fear.

I have notived the ‘fascist’ epithet used against me now provides nowhere near the shock and reflexive condemnation and shunning from others towards me that it provided 30 years ago. And you say the word ‘socialist’ has taken its place? By golly I think you are right. I am ashamed to say that it pleases me.

But i wont dwell on that.

Anarcissie, your meaning is completely clear. Your philosophy is consistant in all your posts and even in your name. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with taking a word and sharpening the definition, especially to make your own ideas clearer to people.  But I think the concept of socialism as practiced upon the world stage, socialism as used by its proponents, and socialism as exaggerated by its detractors, is the coin of the realm that we are stuck with. You arent going to change that.

Furthermore, it is everyone’s loss when the misfitted overuse of a word reduces its meaning. Not only that, it also reduces the warning(or hope) that the word used to provide.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie: I think that one of the main problems of USA in telling people that capitalism is evil and socialism is good, it is the perspectivitist, relativist philosophy of thinking in USA, where everybody can twist facts, truths, to suit their own interests. And in the USA there is no truth, and no false arguments.  It is a crazy society where you can even write a book saying that dogs can fly. Thats why the anti-war movement lost against Bush’s fascist invasion of Iraq.  And thats why the 9-11 truth movement has not been able to be strong, because in USA facts and evidence doesn’t work.

In the USA you can say that pigs can fly, and even sell a book about it. And thats why it will be impossible to convince Shenonymous that capitalism is evil, it produces poverty and misery and socialism is the cure for it, because of her relativist, perspectivist world-view in which according to Shenonymous capitalism is great, that is like saying that elephants, pigs and dogs can fly

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By Robert, April 24, 2010 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, April 24 at 6:50 pm #

ITW…you are such a hypocrite! You have been hurling insults & slurs since your initial start-up on TD!

BTW, Goldstone, Finkelstein, Chomsky & many other Jews support the existence of Israel. There is nothing evil about them. They have the “moral courage” to speak out against Zionism and its barbaric ways…Israel’s army is in the process of ethnic cleansing/murdering Palestinians & pushing them from their homes & land to establish “for Jews ONLY” settlements!

Practice what you are preaching…that is if you are capable…ITW!
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I DO practice what I preach, Robert. I am DEEPLY opposed to what Israel is currently doing in the West Bank, as I am equally opposed to this recent racist attacks on Israelis who are Arab and Moslem.  I have LONG advocated Israel casting in stone that an Israeli citizen is an Israeli citizen, period.

I DARE you to find ONE POST where I have defended Benjamin Netanyahu, Avigdor Lieberman, or the Likud bloc and their supporting ultra Orthodox.

But you, being an unethical liar, constantly try to portray me as saying things I neither have said, nor ever advocated.

You wear blinders as thick as Rush Limbaugh’s ditto-heads. You just dance to a different guru.

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ITW…your slurs hurling at me were numerous, I could not keep count of them. You’ve called me “anti-semitic, Jew-hater, nazi, Israel-hater” and many more. Yet I have NOT said one thing that was demeaning/offensive about Jews. I defy you to find one post that I posted on TD that is/was insulting/offensive about Jews…ITW.

I usually post articles/news that have been authored by Jews. Jews who have that “moral courage” to be on the side of human rights, peace, humanity, international law, UN Resolutions, justice, equality…etc…Jews who are against Israel’s Apartheid zionist policies and the shameful/brutal occupation of a mostly Palestinian civilian population.

I have condemned the killings/murders of innocent people on both sides. I have stated that Israel has a right to exist in its pre-1967 borders and that Jerusalem should be an open city to all religions. You ITW, seemed to be concerned with only Jews who could not worship at their holy places in Jerusalem.

I pointed out to you that Christians, Jews & Moslems could not worship at their holy places pre-1967.

So ITW…your name calling and slurs have been around on TD for a long time. Even folktruther got his share of “self-hating Jew”!

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By Anarcissie, April 24, 2010 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, April 24 at 1:51 pm:
’... If in twenty years she has not been able to convince a group large enough to effectively change and understand her definition of socialism, might there be something wrong she has not thought of???  Why might changing understanding not be working?  Is it the message AND the method of messaging? ...’

Oh, I understand the problem, I guess.  I am cursed with reason.  (My theory is that this deficiency derives from my extraterrestrial origin.)  I try to compensate by carefully choosing targets who appear vulnerable to the same contagion, but most of them turn out to be heartily immune.  Maybe reason has a long incubation period.

Let me cough on you a little more, anyway.

It is true that it is best to use words in their most current common meaning, when possible, so that one will be quickly understood.  However, that isn’t always possible.  In the case of the terms of political theory, much of the vocabulary has been 1984-ized, as I have recently pointed out.  The meaning of socialism has been moved to the same denotational position fascism once occupied, while fascism and its derivatives have become an almost empty epithet.  Meanwhile, “the ownership and control of the means of production by the workers” has been left without a signifier.  Thus it cannot be spoken of.  What to do?  My strategy is to attempt to recover a usable vocabulary from the past.  It seems easier and more reliable than inventing a new one.

Ah, well.  Rational again!  I am probably a hopeless case.

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Leefeller, April 24 at 3:11 pm #

RE: nemesis2010, April 24 at 2:04 pm


Referring to ITW as a “little shit who wears those
sweaters , is most annoying for me, my small stature
takes offense plus I occasionally wear sweaters, usually
in the winter. It has been for me a life time
experiences, growing up listening to people making fun
of peoples height aside from hearing real bad bald
jokes.

My envy of ITW’s extensive knowledge on any subject has
always been, (I have ITW envy)  and if memory serves me
correct, ITW is 6 feet 8 inches tall?

If indeed ITW is a little shit as suggested, it seems
ITW and I have something in common.

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It’s a novel experience, being described as a “little shit”.  I take this as a personal failure.  After all, if I was successful, I’d be described as a “big shit”!

(and I’m only 5’ 10”, not 6’8”, happily, though, not “follicly challenged”.)

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In this case Shenonymous is Robert’s target.  But subsidiary name-
callers are ITW and elisalouisa as they repeat the name LardAss
frequently.  This is sign of using the opportunity to project some sense
of self-inadequacy on their part.

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Say, WHAT?????  How am I a “subsidiary name-caller” for repeatedly calling Robert out on his sexism and abusiveness?  I have no desire to call you or anyone “Lard Ass”  I MAY want to call Robert a “Lard BRAIN” but I don’t feel the need to do that.

As for pure childishness, here is Nemesis (I assume of all that love logic, rationality and peace):

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In reading your comments one is left with the impression that you’re a snitty, bitter, resentful, little shit who wears those sweaters with the thumb hole in the sleeve. You also give off the sense of vehement self-loathing Jew. Your bloodline and heritage are neither my doing nor the fault of others here.
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This is nothing but a meaningless attack by a blow-hard who can’t take what he dishes out.  But it means nothing to me.

But then he descends to the schoolyard level of inanity with this attack on my parents:

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Your bloodline and heritage are the result of your parents copulating and producing offspring. One might think the best part of you dripped down your old man’s leg. Perhaps your father was just “poking” fun and your mother mistakenly took him as being serious. Judging from your comments and whiny, pissy disposition, it’s obvious that there wasn’t a helluva lot of effort expended in creating you.
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As my father is dead and faced his death with more tranquility, patience and pure raw courage than a “Nemesis” will ever HOPE to possess, N’s pure stupidity and childishness reflect on him, not me.

Meanwhile my mother is descending into Alzheimer’s Dementia fully aware it’s happening to her. I and my siblings must now take care of every business aspect of her life, from paying her rent to managing her taxes and medications.

Between them, my mother and father did more to help more people in their lifetimes (hundreds, perhaps thousands) than a “Nemesis” will ever achieve.  My home town had a day named for my father after he died and one for my mother after she moved away.

These are the people that Nemesis in his emotional pre-teen vomitus has chosen to belittle.

What a putz!

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ITW…you are such a hypocrite! You have been hurling insults & slurs since your initial start-up on TD!

BTW, Goldstone, Finkelstein, Chomsky & many other Jews support the existence of Israel. There is nothing evil about them. They have the “moral courage” to speak out against Zionism and its barbaric ways…Israel’s army is in the process of ethnic cleansing/murdering Palestinians & pushing them from their homes & land to establish “for Jews ONLY” settlements!

Practice what you are preaching…that is if you are capable…ITW!
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I DO practice what I preach, Robert. I am DEEPLY opposed to what Israel is currently doing in the West Bank, as I am equally opposed to this recent racist attacks on Israelis who are Arab and Moslem.  I have LONG advocated Israel casting in stone that an Israeli citizen is an Israeli citizen, period.

I DARE you to find ONE POST where I have defended Benjamin Netanyahu, Avigdor Lieberman, or the Likud bloc and their supporting ultra Orthodox.

But you, being an unethical liar, constantly try to portray me as saying things I neither have said, nor ever advocated. 

You wear blinders as thick as Rush Limbaugh’s ditto-heads. You just dance to a different guru.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72: YOU ARE RIGHT !! it is time for Americans who want a real change, to turn off their TVs and if they don’t have kids, to throw away their television-set.  An Argentinian Philosopher (Jose Pablo Feinmann) said that in modern societies the best tool to liberate ourselves is to throw away the TV.  I know this harsh, it will lead to boredom and sensory-deprivation in many americans, but all changes are stressful and hard.

You are right about the Colberts, The Ann Coulters, Jon Stewart (He is not Socialist, he is an Obamatron) and most of the media who have special interests and they don’t want a real change of a system which could spread wealth to all americans.

I know that you and I are nobody economically compared to Jon Stewart, and we are too anonymous and not popular enough.  But just because Jon Stewart, Larry King and An Coulter are popular and famous, doesn’t mean that they are right and we are wrong.  I think it is time for americans to dump the TV and their celebrity self-appointed judges

And i think many people here have children, it would be also a good time for the people in this site to instill reading-habits in their children and reading-routines in order to get them away from TV, Nintendos, Video games, violent movies and brainwashing.

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By ofersince72, April 24, 2010 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

Another thing that puzzles me somewhat,

Every knows and writes about the politics of
  “divide and conquer”.  Wedge politics not only divides
but diverts issues.
  and that is what puzzles me, that few understand
that is just what is being employed with the
tea bag obsession of the major media.
including Mayer, Colbert, and Stewart. Do you really
believe that Viacom is giving Stewart a free mic???
The writers are told the topics.
They are feeding us a mania madness that really doesn’t
exist except by the fringe that has always been here.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

nemesis: How can you say that Venezuela is worse under Chavez? What proofs and evidence you have to say that Venezuela is worse under Hugo Chavez. You are uninformed or just lying, Venezuela is better with Hugo Chavez and his experiment of Socialism for the Twenty First Century

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

DEAR INHERIT THE WINDS, SHENANONYMOUS AND OTHER FRIENDS I LOVE YOU ALL, DON’T TAKE POLITICS PERSONALLY, WE ARE HERE IN A WAR OF IDEAS, TRYING TO FIND A FORMULA TO SAVE USA. WE ARE NOT HERE TO HATE EACH OTHER.  THAT’S WHAT THE 5% USA MONOPOLY-CLASS WANTS, TO DIVIDE US ALL !!

TRUST ME, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE USA AS A PARADISE RIGHT NOW, AS A PARADISE OF WEALTH, COLLEGES, GYMS, SPAS, BEAUTY, HEALTH AND PLEASURES FOR THE 300 MILLION SOULS WHO LIVE IN USA WHO DESERVE PARTYING, CRUISE-SHIPS, GYMS, SPAS, SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS, SOCIAL WORLDS, UNIVERISITY AND COLLEGE DEGREES, LOVE, PSYCHOLOGICAL AND SOCIAL-SUPPORT, EMOTIONAL LOVE, VACATIONS, PLEASURES, AND A FEELING OF MOTIVATIONAL HAPPINESS. 

I URGE YOU TO NOT REJECT SOCIALISM, I KNOW THAT YOU ARE SCARED OF SOCIALISM, BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAW IN USSR, THE POVERTY OF CUBA, NORTH KOREA, AND OTHER STATE-CAPITALIST NATIONS LABELED AS SOCIALISTS.

BUT REAL-SOCIALISM HAS ONLY BEEN POSSIBLE 2 TIMES: (PARIS COMMUNE AND THE BOLSHEVIK-STATE)  I URGE YOU TO GIVE SOCIALISM A THOUGHT FOR USA.

I BELIEVE 100% THAT SOCIALISM IS OUR ONLY SOLUTION IN USA.  THAT’S WHY I AM SOCIALIST, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST FORMULA FOR AMERICA TO BRING PLEASURES, SELF-REALIZATION, BEAUTY, AND HEALTH TOO ALL US CITIZENS. I TRUELY BELIEVE THAT THE 300 MILLION PEOPLE DESERVE PLEASURES, PARTIES, WEALTH AND SELF-REALIZATION NOT JUST ALEX RODRIGEZ, BILL GATES, TED TURNER AND JENNIFER LOPEZ AND THE 5% RICH USA POPULATION !!

AND NEMESIS UNDERSTANDS REAL-REALITY, HE IS READ ON HISTORY, HE UNDERSTANDS HOW REAL-CHANGES HAPPEN IN THIS EVIL WORLD, HE LOVES PEACE BUT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT MONOPOLY-CAPITALISTS (I.E: THE 5% OF THE USA POPULATION WHO ARE THE RICHEST) WILL RESIST ANY CHANGE THAT CAN SPREAD THE WEALTH OF USA TOWARD ALL AMERICANS.


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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

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@ elisalouisa:

NEMESIS: YOU ARE 100% CORRECT, i hate to be too apologetic, and I even hate typing, so i am a person of few words.  And in a few words, according to History-Knowledge there are no real-changes of social-system in this world without blood, assasinations and violence.  Don’t worry about those who accuse socialists of promoting violence.  Don’t worry about critism, live for your self and your own socialist-convictions and to hell with Tea Baggers, Libertarians, Progressive-Liberal reformists and Obamatrons (They are all wrong)

And the Ghandi bourgeoise-liberal types like Paul Krugman, Norman Solomon, Tea Baggers, Libertarians, Democrats, Republicans and all people who think that USA can change thru mainstream celebrity politics. Or by spending hours and hours writting e-mails and letters to local representatives, or by issue-identity politics like: Gays isolated, illlegal immigrants isolated,  will never see a change in USA.

The progressives and many americans who want a change are so ANTI-SCIENTIFIC, and THEY LOVE TO USE THEIR HEARTS AND NOT THEIR SCIENTIFIC BRAINS.

We won’t change AMerica with pure emotions and passions, and FAITH and HOPE. Fuck hope, fuck faith, fuck pure-emotions.

WE THE POOR AMERICANS WHO ARE BEATING THE BULLETS NEED A SCIENTIFIC-PLAN OF REVOLUTIONARY-THEORY, AND TO HELL WITH PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS, WITH LIBERTARIANS AND WITH PRO-GHANDI PACIFISTS WHO THINK THAT USA WILL CHANGE SITTING ON THEIR FAT ASS IN THEIR COMPUTERS, WRITTING BEAUTIFUL BLOGGERS, AND WRITTING E-MAILS FROM THEIR AIR-CONDITIONED ROOMS.

POLITICS IS NOT AN E-BAY INTERNET BUSINESS, POLITICAL CHANGES ARE BLOODY AND VIOLENT !!

AND DON’T WORRY ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ACCUSE OF VIOLENT AND OF KILLERS. REMEMBER THAT MANY AMERICANS ARE JUST LIKE GLENN BECK AND PAT ROBERTSON WHO USE THEIR TONGUES TO SPIT B.S. ON EVERYBODY AND TO JUDGE EVERYBODY.

REMEMBER THAT USA IS THE COUNTRY OF SELF-APPOINTED JUDGES.  BUT DON’T WORRY WHATEVER THE ANTI-REVOLUTION PEOPLE THINK

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 24, 2010 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous: If i was you i would protect your business from socialists.  According to the fatalist theory of Historical-Inevitability of Socialism a socialist-system is coming to America wether you want it or not.  If you dont have a business right now you will be ok, but if you own a business we the socialists will take your business, and nationalize it under workers-control.  Because in the dictatorship of the proletariat, the police, CIA and FBI will be used to expropiate and nationalize Wal-Marts, Shell, Exxon, Mcdonalds and all businesses which would then be owned by the state and by workers-cooperatives. So arm your self like The Tea Baggers. Because in a socialist system we will expropiate the businesses of libertarians, rednecks and Tea Baggers.

Oh by the way i forgot to tell you Chris Hedges is a socialist, in favor of the dictatorship of the proletariat in USA


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By ofersince72, April 24, 2010 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

In the run up to Desert Storm, the media had the public
believing that the Iraqi troops were taking babies out
of incubators in Kuwait and eating and burning them.
Of course,  right after The Storm, all this proved to be
fictitious.

  So it is really hard to believe or not to believe
what is seen coming back in written word or video.
We do know the meaning of imbedded journalist.

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

Youse is a funny man, Ozark, a good sport.  Hahahahahaha

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By OzarkMichael, April 24, 2010 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

lol funny Shenonymous

But I guess we are done. My mind has that tingly, minty feeling now.

The Shenonymous Propaedeutic… “its the pause that refreshes!”

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By Leefeller, April 24, 2010 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

RE: nemesis2010, April 24 at 2:04 pm


Referring to ITW as a “little shit who wears those
sweaters , is most annoying for me, my small stature
takes offense plus I occasionally wear sweaters, usually
in the winter. It has been for me a life time
experiences, growing up listening to people making fun
of peoples height aside from hearing real bad bald
jokes. 

My envy of ITW’s extensive knowledge on any subject has
always been, (I have ITW envy)  and if memory serves me
correct, ITW is 6 feet 8 inches tall?

If indeed ITW is a little shit as suggested, it seems
ITW and I have something in common.

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

The propaedeutic is self-inflicted.  It is related to the other cathartic, but
only affects the ignorant mind…at least for the first 5 minutes.  But you
are welcome to try out for the opera.  We will need good dancers, and OM
you have shown to be one of the best fleet footed on the TD.  Oh, I heard
Fleet was the name for another kind of cathartic.  I know, I know, I yam so
bad.  Well we will need a chorus line and I know there are other fleet
footed on TD as well.  Please pass the word.  And do practice your high
kicks.  No kicking in the head allowed, oh oh I don’t mean the bathroom. 
Mann this metaphor can get the runs.  Oh oh, good grief, can’t get away
from it.  Sheesh.

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By OzarkMichael, April 24, 2010 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

I meant the propaedeutic thing, not the musical tryouts. Or maybe you want to make us do both at the same time?

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By OzarkMichael, April 24, 2010 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

Just let me know before you do it so I can be prepared

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

As a simile to Gertrude Stein’s A rose is a rose is a rose, who did a take
off on Willie’s A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet:  A
shithead is a shithead by any other name would still be a shithead.

Thus spake LardAss.

BTW:  There is an opera being planned entitled, “LardAss” with a
libretto written by none other than Shenonymous.  And tryouts are
being scheduled for the main six characters.  All cretins (my name for
no one in particular is reserved only for those whose psyche really fills
the cretin qualification), which is only one, a resume of name-calling
performances, are encouraged to sign for an audition.  Also there will
be a best tune contest, so if you are good at writing music, please
submit your score.

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

A propaedeutic is sort of like a purge of the bowels only it is a purge of
ignorance.

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By Leefeller, April 24, 2010 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Being a Bully must be hard work and seems to be a full
time occupation for some posters here on TD, aside from
the apparent sexism!

In the past I have insulted a poster or two, it seems to
me if the shoe fits, insults may not be construed as
bullying?

I suspect a bully of classic prognosis would insult to
hurt without fact, name calling just for name callings
sake. In a bully mind, the attack must come because a
poster or someone did not say what the bully wanted to
hear, this is what I have noticed over time on the
blogs?  Also from what I have observed on these here
blogs, a bully usually always does the name calling
instead of addressing the comments,or issues seldom
disagreeing in argument, instead attempting insult or a
form of degraded slander instead.

It should be known, I usually try to announce my intent
of insult before hand, with contingencies and
explanations most comprehensive in nature. This is
courteously afforded only to other posters when bluntly
perceived as morons by me.  It should known, it is not
necessary to announce and be courteous when addressing
the GOP, Tea baggers and imbeciles in general!

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By nemesis2010, April 24, 2010 at 10:04 am Link to this comment

@ ITW:

You really need to get over yourself. Isn’t there something called range in the acting profession? Always playing the whiny, pissy, woe-is-me victim does not bode well for future roles. You’ll be type-casted.

You make statements about things that you cannot possibly know unless you are the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster. And I know with certainty that you are NOT the almighty FSM because the almighty FSM isn’t Jewish and—unlike you—doesn’t lie.

Only one person in the world knows what were my motivations and feelings as I debated whether or not to use the word “sweetheart.” I am that person and I have explained to Louisa my reasoning in that decision.

In reading your comments one is left with the impression that you’re a snitty, bitter, resentful, little shit who wears those sweaters with the thumb hole in the sleeve. You also give off the sense of vehement self-loathing Jew. Your bloodline and heritage are neither my doing nor the fault of others here. Your bloodline and heritage are the result of your parents copulating and producing offspring. One might think the best part of you dripped down your old man’s leg. Perhaps your father was just “poking” fun and your mother mistakenly took him as being serious. Judging from your comments and whiny, pissy disposition, it’s obvious that there wasn’t a helluva lot of effort expended in creating you.

Remember:

”The will to be stupid is a very powerful force, but there are always alternatives.”
—Lois McMaster Bujold

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By nemesis2010, April 24, 2010 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

@ elisalouisa:

Elisa, I have not “ripped” you. I have only made it perfectly clear that I do not agree with you, and those of your mind set, on who and what Gandhi was and on what can be accomplished peacefully against Power. I have no reason to believe that. I look at history, I look at what I’ve seen and experienced in my own almost 66 years of existence on this planet, and I know that due to our evolutionary makeup the only way one wins meaningful concessions from Power is by being able to resist Power with an equal ability. That does not mean that I cherish violence.
It does not mean that I prefer violent means over peaceful means for conflict resolution.

There are very few things in this universe that are either/or. It’s not good vs. evil. It’s not love violence and hate peace or love peace and hate violence. People tend to think dualistically because of religious inculcation and its philosophy dividing everything up into good vs. evil. Life should be so simple.

Consider well these words:

”Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”—Thucydides

You say I don’t know you yet you make assumptions and declarations about me as if you know me. Might it not be that I know of poverty from personal experience? I’m not the first rags to riches story in the world. And I won’t be the last.

As for the soul, I can be sure because of scientific evidence or perhaps better said; for lack of scientific evidence. There is no evidence that life continues after death. Consciousnesses, the sense of self, etc. all come from chemical reactions in our brains which cease to function at death. Now if you’ve evidence—real evidence, not faith—that there is life after death then I’d be glad to consider it.

When I first wrote the word “sweetheart” I had to think about it for more than a couple of moments because I didn’t know how you’d receive it. Look up the definition. I used the word in an attempt to soften what you were reading. I use your name with the same intent. In these commentaries there are no facial expressions, inflection and tones of voice, etc. that we use in face to face encounters. There are just a few words that have to be structured in such a way as to best define positions and thoughts of very complicated issues while maintaining a 4,000 character limit. Despite what ITW claims to know—but cannot possibly know—the word was chosen and used with the best of intentions.

Let’s consider—together—this statement from your post:

” Yet, someone must push power back, someone must say, “Hey, wait a minute.” Set them back on their heels so to speak. You mention violence as a way that has settled things throughout the ages. Yes, but there have always been the protesters who died for what they believed.”

Now think about the quote by Thucydides (above). Do you see the illogic here? How do you set Power back on its heels unless you have the muscle (power) to do it? The strong crush the weak. You even admit that, indirectly, by that part of your comment about protesters dying for the cause. It’s much better, Louisa, to have the enemy die for their cause rather than you dying for yours.

There’s much more that I would like to discuss with you on your post but I’m already well over 600 words and quickly hitting the 4,000 character limit. Do you see the problem? It requires much more effort and characters to dispel and expose spin, propaganda, and/or illogic.

If you care to continue, watch this video and tell me what goes through your mind as you watch it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&feature=player_embedded&v=IAaXKZ1OQ9M

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

There is nothing like a self-moralizing LardAss. 

It is the sign of a talented politician who can bend with the wind and
last for a long time.  Remember, except for George Bush, politicians are
elected by the people. We will see how long Obama lasts.  It is
predicted, hoped, by some that he is a one-term president.  Maybe
not.  Where Clinton was the Comeback Kid, Obama is the Surprise
Everybody Kid. 

If you find you are not among the majority and are uncomfortable, then
either change to the party that wins, change your political philosophy,
keeping pissing in the wind, or move to another country.  I think four
choices are plenty.  Or like some rabid fanatics that are beginning to
show up are promoting, there is the alternative…find the crosshairs.

The classic definition of words like socialism or capitalism is really
moot.  It is the current usage that is important for that is the definition
being understood by The American People.  If redefinition is desirable,
or if fundamentalizing is desirable, then convincing the media and The
American People that a return, or re-revisioning, of the meaning of the
terms is what must happen.  Sitting around a computer and verbalizing
opinions is counterproductive to change.  Nothing changes if one just
sits on the sidelines, or in this case, sits at a computer. 

The problem is might be well illustrated by what Anarcissie tells us of
herself:  {i]“In the twenty-odd years I’ve been on the Net, I’ve explained
these simple facts thousands of times.  But it just seems to bounce off
people’s heads, and they faithfully continue to echo the line that
socialism means “government control”.  Possibly it’s the only thing they
understand—that they can understand.”  If in twenty years she has
not been able to convince a group large enough to effectively change
and understand her definition of socialism, might there be something
wrong she has not thought of???  Why might changing understanding
not be working?  Is it the message AND the method of messaging? 
How simple is the message such that it bounces off people’s heads? Is
the field of people being reached not The American People? How
simple is simple?  Maybe it is not as simple as thought?  If they, I
gather The American People, is the unspoken ‘they,’ can only
understand tired old definitions then by assimilation might it better be
possible to seep ‘the message’ into their wee little shrunken brains (I
borrowed Robert’s word ‘wee’ he is so good at giving descriptive
words), and is feasible to make changes.  It is basic psychology.

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By omop, April 24, 2010 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

The following extract is a different way of saying what Chomsky means
by, “Never seen Anything like this”.

    Its under the heading “Goodbye America”;-

    One of the serious negative factors facing America today — a problem the
Germans never had — is the existence of vast numbers of Christian Zionists in
their midst.

    Germany of course had to cope with organized Jewry, a group working
from within to undermine the foundations of German society. But one scourge
Germany did not have, and which America has, is this scourge of a non-Jewish
enemy within: the 60 million Christian Zionists acting in cahoots with
organized Jewry to oppose the interests of their own people.

    America’s Christian Zionists, it would seem, are their own worst enemy —
blithely planning their own demise without knowing it.
So here is Problem Number One for those of you who dream that America
could once again become the self-conscious ethnic possession of people of
European ancestry:

    What are you going to do with these 60 million White American renegades
who have joined forces with the Enemy? Who are as Jewish as Ariel Sharon or
Abe Foxman. Who are hand in glove with AIPAC. Who think ADL means
‘Advanced Divine Leadership’.

    How are you going to fit these thoroughly Judaized allies of organized
Jewry into your White Homeland?

    It cannot be done. So you have a big problem. Israel and its Jewish-
American Double Agents. Another big problem America needs to solve that
Germany did not have to cope with is the state of Israel and its powerful lobby
in America. Germany did not have Israel hanging round its neck like an
albatross.

    The Germans were not induced to fight wars on behalf of a foreign country.
They didn’t invade other countries in order to make the world safe for Israel.

    Interesting that present day China is practicing a Jeffersonian foreign policy while the US is busy sanctioning and bullying states throughout the world.

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By OzarkMichael, April 24 at 1:24 pm #
Shenonymous offers everyone A Propaedeutic

I am not sure if that is legal in Missouri, although it might be legal between
consenting adults in other states.

—-
Missouri being the ‘show me’ state of course.

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By OzarkMichael, April 24, 2010 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous offers everyone A Propaedeutic

I am not sure if that is legal in Missouri, although it might be legal between consenting adults in other states.

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By ofersince72, April 24, 2010 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

Those two C130 cargo planes that lost
  about 10 billion in one hundred dollar bills…

  What do you believe that was payoff money for ??/

  Capitol Hill sure never located it.

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

A Propaedeutic on the Psychopathology of Name-Calling:

Lard - The rendered fat of hogs, especially the internal fat of the
abdomen.  But also means to supplement or enrich with something for
improvement or ornamentation. 

Ass - a long-eared, slow, patient, sure-footed domesticate mammal,
used chiefly as a beast of burden.  Also means, a stupid, foolish, or
stubborn person.

For the good of the cretins who populate these forums, I hereby claim
to be all of the above.

Calling people names is a defense mechanism for those who feel
inadequate compared to the one being called names.  It is an easy
method of making a person feel bad about them self by trying to turn
what is thought to be an embarrassing trait into a vicious name and
repeating it in a sarcastic manner.  Psychologists believe that name-
calling is a way to make the name-caller feel better about themselves
as they have a denigrating sense of themselves and wish to project the
feelings of inadequacy onto someone they have taken a hatred to. 
Name calling is divided into stages:

Stages of the name-calling psychopathology:

Stage one:  simply picking a target. This is usually someone who is
thought to be inferior in some way.  If the name-caller is a man, he will
pick on smaller men or women.  It is thought if done in a public setting
that the name-caller is mad larger in stature to who he perceives to be
his cronies. 
In this case Shenonymous is Robert’s target.  But subsidiary name-
callers are ITW and elisalouisa as they repeat the name LardAss
frequently.  This is sign of using the opportunity to project some sense
of self-inadequacy on their part.

The main intention of the name caller is to reduce the one being called
the name to a lesser social level thereby raising their own.  It is a form
of thuggery and is also a favorite sport of Internet flamers.

Stage two:  This is the name-calling contest.  This is not often
attempted by the one being bullied.  But it can occur.  It is the stage
where trading insults as in a verbal tennis match.  And this lasts until
the name-caller loses interest or more often, runs out of insults.

Stage three: 

This is where the name-caller moves the insults to someone or
something near and dear to the heart of the one being bullied, such as
one’s mother, the usual deflection target.

There is an imagined scoring thought to be kept by the public by the
name-caller such that he can then feel he has won the competition
which he is really the only player.

Name-calling is included in the psychological condition of causing
shame, and is intended to disgrace and condemn the target.  It is
meant to destroy the target’s personal dignity and publicly exposing
vulnerability or weakness and to change what is actually perceived to be
an imbalance of power.  It is used because the target is seen as a
powerful entity.  It is akin to resorting to physical assault, rape, and
beating.  A recent case of name-calling where a young girl was so
emotionally affected to have committed suicide is now being
prosecuted in the courts.  Name-calling is a form of relational
aggression against targets.

Name-calling as a form of shaming is related to a form of narcissism. 
If you find you are involved in name-calling and cannot control
yourself, psychological help is available because name-calling is a form
of personality disorder.

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

First in Scandinavia, then in England, Japan, the Netherlands, Canada,
and finally, the United States, researchers have begun scrutinizing the
phenomenon of bullying. What they are finding is as sad as it is
alarming:

  •  Bullies are a special breed of children.  And is considered a
serious condition if it lasts into adulthood.  Name-calling and physical
aggression starts at an early age.
  •  Bullying and name-calling causes and is intended to cause a
great deal of misery to others, and its effects on victims last for
decades, perhaps even a lifetime.
  •  The person hurt most by bullying is the bully himself,
though that’s not at first obvious, and the negative effects increase
over time.  Hatreds that develop causes physiological changes in the
bully and enzymes in the body begin to affect the their thinking
processes.

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 9:06 am Link to this comment

Research continued…
  •  Most bully/name-callers have a downwardly spiraling course
through life, their behavior interfering with learning, friendships, work,
intimate relationships, income, and mental health. 
  •  Bullies turn into antisocial adults, and are far more likely
than non-aggressive kids to commit crimes, batter their wives, abuse
their children—and produce another generation of bullies.
  •  Girls, and women, can be bullies too. The aggression of girls
has been vastly underestimated because it takes a different form. It is a
far more subtle and complex means of meanness than the overt
physical aggression boys engage in.  Often female bullies and name-
callers will try to attach themselves with others to hide themselves in
the group.  This is the usual tactic of the female bully name-caller.  We
see evidence of this kind of female on this forum in attempted ally
formation.

To understand the behavior of the name-caller is to see how
aggression is learned and how well the lesson is taken to heart. The
existence of such bullies tells the social needs of human beings are
vastly undervalued, at least in Western culture.  In the long run,
bullying can be a way—a desperate and damaging way—for some
people to maintain a circle of human contacts.  Ah, yes, we can see that
on the forum.

Bullying always has a very long run. Bullying/name-calling may begin
in childhood, it frequently continues into adulthood; it is among the
most continued human behavior styles.

Three core elements: bullying involves a pattern of repeated aggressive
behavior with negative intent directed from one child to another where
there is a power difference. There’s either a larger child, a male, or
several children picking on one, a smaller male or a female perceived
as too strong for her own good. By definition, the bully’s target is
thought to have difficulty defending him- or herself, and the bully’s
aggressive behavior is intended to cause distress, observes Olweus,
professor of psychology at the University of Bergen.  However, this is
not always the case and the target may be stronger and smarter than
the bully anticipates.  Much to his chagrin and further intensity of his
bullying.

The chronic behavior of bullying/name-calling is one of its more
intriguing features.  The aggression can be physical—pushes and
shoves and hitting, kicking, and punching. Or it can be verbal—name-
calling, taunts, threats, ridicule, and insults.  Bullies not only say mean
things to you, they say mean things about you to others primarily to
attempt to diminish the target farther and to increase the perception of
their own power.

Often enough, the intimidation that starts with no more than a nasty
glance. The older bullies get, the more their aggression takes the form
of name-calling, verbal threats, and then physical abuse.

[Large-scale studies Olweus conducted in Norway in 1983]

Bullies, for the most part, are different from normal people. Studies
reliably show that they have a distinctive cognitive make-up—a hostile
attributional bias, a form of paranoia. They perpetually attribute hostile
intentions to others, often blaming the target.  The trouble is, they
perceive provocation where it does not exist. That comes to justify to
themselves their aggressive behavior.  Bullies don’t see any overture to
a peaceful interaction, they take it as a call to further conflict. These
children act aggressively because they process social information
inaccurately.  They endorse revenge.

Given the information above, Shenonymous invites you to call Her
LardAss anytime you feel the need to cretinize yourself.  She offers
herself as victim so you may try to make yourself feel better for She
knows just how sick you can be and to do the culture of Truthdig a
humanitarian service.  There will be further posts regarding this matter
to continue the propaedeutic.

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By Leefeller, April 24, 2010 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

The word socialism has been corrupted by the powers that be and their corporate friends. or is it the other way around?  Seems anything which may be of social benefit is called socialism as in Communism. The word has been bastardized by the special interests and carried by the minutia morons.  Socialism is used out of context to disparage any social agenda not accepted and agreed on with potential to fill the coffers of the special interests. 

In the eyes of opportunists, anything which does not seem an opportunity to them, must be fed and touted as socialism.

Yes Obama is a socialist in the eyes of opportunists and morons.  In my eyes he is a politician bending with the wind.  What I find disappointing, is when the Republicans were in the majority for eight years we had no bending in the wind it seemed the public had to do the bending. This may be why I see little difference between the two parties.

The only conclusion I can come up with is, the Democrats want to bend in the wind for reasons unknown to me, though I can suspect many things.  After all they did vote for the war, accountability seems to always be off the table and integrity is a word conveniently unknown to those in power.

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By ofersince72, April 24, 2010 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

A headline I read this morning….

  NATO To Turn Blind Eye To Afghan Corruption


  is anyone as speechless and surprised as I am at this?

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By Robert, April 24, 2010 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, April 24 at 9:12 am #

Robert, April 24 at 1:23 am #

By Inherit The Wind, April 23 at 11:36 pm #

EL, what Nemesis has done to you was EXACTLY what Robert was doing to Shenonymous—using the fact that you are female as a reason to dismiss you, rather than attacking you for your posts and ideas.  He calls you “sweetheart” to belittle you, as Robert called She “lard ass” to belittle her.  I tried (ineffectually) to point that out to you.  But I wasn’t very nice about it (I got tired of being “nice” when I was attacked anyway).

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ITW’s ways are so transparent! A hypocrite and consistent with it. I pointed this out to him way long ago… on so many times!

He has been so generous with that “fake maple syrup” that is flowing towards ElisaLouisa lately…and maybe, just maybe, he wants EL to wave the flag of his beloved Apartheid Israel, join the camp and get on with that “ADL megaphone” on TD.

Just the usual from ITW… sneaky & deceptive !
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As usual, Robert is only capable of appearing intelligent and intellectual when he’s clogging threads with other people’s words.

When he uses his own he shows that he’s nothing but a lying, vicious little moron, who hurls grade-school level insults.

His stupidity runs so deep he cannot even imagine how posters can be at each others throats in one thread, and come to a meeting of minds in another.

There’s no “maple syrup” in my interaction with E-L. We have, to both our astonishment, found an area where we agree and can respect each other.  It’s the same with Shingo.

But Robert, in his on-going stupidity, brings every thread back to how much he hates Israel, and how Jews who support its existence are evil creatures—like this has ANYTHING to to do with the topic at hand.

Then, in his on-going lies, he calls me an “ADL megaphone”, as if I’m part of, or a supporter of the ADL, which I am not.

The smallness of Robert’s mind, the narrowness of it, the one-trackness of it is like a singer who insists on singing but is always off-key.

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ITW…you are such a hypocrite! You have been hurling insults & slurs since your initial start-up on TD!

BTW, Goldstone, Finkelstein, Chomsky & many other Jews support the existence of Israel. There is nothing evil about them. They have the “moral courage” to speak out against Zionism and its barbaric ways…Israel’s army is in the process of ethnic cleansing/murdering Palestinians & pushing them from their homes & land to establish “for Jews ONLY” settlements!

Practice what you are preaching…that is if you are capable…ITW!

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By Anarcissie, April 24, 2010 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, April 24 at 10:35 am:
‘Twenty years on the Internet is a long time to be an electronic ghost Anarcissie.  I’m afraid your post was not quite your usual coherent self…

By Anarcissie April 23 at 12:19 pm: In that case you have two words for fascism (“everything inside the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state”) and none for “the ownership and control of the means of production by the workers”.  If George Orwell was correct, you can’t think what you can’t say; and since you can’t think about socialism, you can’t discuss it, which of course was the point of inculcating that sort of vocabulary in the first place.”

Which of those words were the “two” words “I” had for fascism?’

Fascism and socialism, both of which you define as centralized, authoritarian control of a community. 

I am not convinced Orwell was right about what people can think, but it is obvious that they will have trouble discussing things for which they have no words, and you have no word for the concept I denote with the word socialism; therefore, we can’t discuss it.  I must leave you to the trove of Leninists you’ve uncovered, and you can dispute with them who had the most genocidal system, blissfully untroubled by the notion that there might be a better way of doing things than forcing people into submission of one kind or another.

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By omop, April 24, 2010 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

THEY ARE DYING TO BE PART OF THE KILLING AND DYING TO CREATE A

WORLD ORDER. GET WID EET PEEPLE.

 

“In defense of the world Order, U.S. soldiers would have to kill and die. ... We
are not going to achieve a New World Order without paying for it in blood, as
well as in words and money.”

—Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Back to the Womb, July/August 1993 issue of
Foreign Affairs

    NB. No mention of anyone from our ONLY DEMOCRATIC ALLY IN THE
WORLD CONTRIBUTING.

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

Recent surveys by Gallup found roughly 700 million adults would like to
migrate to another country permanently if they had the chance. The
United States is the top desired destination country.

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

Oh, I’m sorry…I should have signed that LardAss Shenonymous.  Little
elisalouisa loves saying it too, hahahahaha

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By ofersince72, April 24, 2010 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

“They Hate Us For Our Freedom”

they ought to be getting to love us by now

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

Twenty years on the Internet is a long time to be an electronic ghost
Anarcissie.  I’m afraid your post was not quite your usual coherent
self…By Anarcissie April 23 at 12:19 pm In that case you have
two words for fascism (“everything inside the state, nothing outside the
state, nothing against the state”) and none for “the ownership and
control of the means of production by the workers”.  If George Orwell
was correct, you can’t think what you can’t say; and since you can’t
think about socialism, you can’t discuss it, which of course was the
point of inculcating that sort of vocabulary in the first place.
 

Which of those words were the “two” words “I” had for fascism?  Am I
missing something?  My apologies if I have.  I agree with Orwell now as
much as I did when I read his 1949 “1984” way back in 60s.  Well
about the can’t think about what you can’t say part.  Although linguistic
scientists are now saying that kinds of thinking can go on without
language, it is called comparative thinking.  Reactive as the way
monkeys ponder apprehensively and comparatively whether to walk
past a banana tree or not if there was a leopard (as in the Tai Forest) or
Bonobos (in the Salonga National Park) in the vicinity recently.  I think
we do that when we make distinctions between shades of blue.  Also
you might read José Luis Bermúdez’s Thinking without Words
Now did I say one couldn’t think about socialism?  How odd.  I think I
said (actually copy/pasting what I said) “Well everybody knows,
Anarcissie, that Marxism, Socialism, communism are all defined by
government ownership of the means of production. In a socialistic
state, government bureaucrats direct all production.  The central
committee is the directing force.  The bureaucrats direct production
arbitrarily in universal socialism.  ?And everybody knows free-market
capitalism is defined by private ownership of the means of production.
Entrepreneurs and capitalists can use prices and careful economic
planning to settle conclusively which of an indefinite number of ways a
project can be made economically viable or not.” Or are you just being
abstract?

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ITW: EL, what Nemesis has done to you was EXACTLY what Robert was doing to Shenonymous—using the fact that you are female as a reason to dismiss you, rather than attacking you for your posts and ideas.  He calls you “sweetheart” to belittle you,as Robert called She “lard ass” to belittle her.  I tried (ineffectually) to point that out to you.  But I wasn’t very nice about it (I got tired of being “nice” when I was attacked anyway).
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Of course you are correct ITW. I really did not see it at the time. Some posts spew such hatred, I cannot help but wonder what they are doing on a Chris Hedges thread or Truthdig for that matter.

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By Shenonymous, April 24, 2010 at 5:56 am Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist, be perfectly clear, because as of right now you are
writing as if you are in the looney bin?  So you are calling for an armed
insurrection? 
By Tennessee-Socialist, April 22 at 11:47 pm “I AM AN
ABSOLUTE MARXIST-LENINIST-TROTSKIST. I DON’T BELIEVE IN SOCIAL-
DEMOCRACY NOR THE SO CALLED SOCIAL-DEMOCRAT EUROPEAN
STATES, WHICH ARE CAPITALIST OLIGARCHIC STATES JUST LIKE USA
BUT WITH A BIT OF MORE WELFARE.  I REJECT ANY PIPE DREAMS AND
THIRD ALTERNATIVES.  WE IN AMERICA HAVE 2 OPTIONS: SOCIALISM OR
BARBARISM, THERE IS NO THIRD WAY…A workers’ state can be created
only through a socialist revolution that overthrows the capitalist state. 
We reject the theory of “deformed workers’ states” not created by any
workers’ revolution. There can be no peaceful transformation from
capitalism to socialism: the capitalist state must be smashed through
an armed workers’ insurrection.”
 

So you are calling for the overthrow of the United States government
with an armed rebellion?


I defend capitalism because unlike any oppressed fascist communist
state, unlike Venezuela, in the United States I am free to defend
whatever I choose.  You are free to be a communist defender of Hugo
Chavez, I am free to be a capitalist Demmacrat defender of Barak
Obama. 

So you were a “featured speaker” at the 1990 U.S. Conservative Political
Action Conference in Washington, D.C. and now you are calling for an
armed insurrection?  That is very interesting.
______________
Just some questions that occurred to me as I reread your sarcastic
comments, RenZo:  “No pig has ever used capitalism to foreclose
someone’s home, nor stolen their retirement accounts or even canceled
their insurance while the human had breast cancer.”
  True, but what
country in the world other than the primarily capitalistic United States
would work to stop such indecent actions? 

RenZo again: “These are attributes of the Homo sapiens species,
alone.”
  Way…elll 5 Yups for that but then do non-human animals
buy homes?  Do they buy insurance?  Do they animals put money into
retirement accounts?  Just wondered at the curious distinction you
made.

Hysterical, youse guys love to say lard ass.  That is a crackup.  Even my
kids are laughing.  Robert you have given the entire Truthdig website a
service and ITW.

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By Anarcissie, April 24, 2010 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

RenZo, April 24 at 1:10 am:
‘I dont know where the idea comes from but giving the bankers $700 billion was not a socialist move. NOT SOCIALIST. It was fascism (the union of corporations and state). The purest model of socialism is when the state owns the means of production. ...’

Well, that isn’t the idea of socialism as proposed by its originators, which was “the ownership and control of the means of production by the workers”.  The idea of a workers’ state was proposed as one model for bringing this about, but (in my opinion) all of them failed, because the state is intrinsically coercive.  As a result, state socialism either becomes more and more dictatorial, as in the Soviet Union, or the state apparatus mutates into capitalism (that is, an arrangement where an elite minority own and control the means of production) and finally becomes overtly capitalistic or fascistic (as in China and in the later Soviet Union).

There is, however, another model, one in which the workers own and control the means of production directly, as in cooperatives and communes.  These models work reasonably well, and it appears that they can be scaled up (for example, Mondragon).

In the twenty-odd years I’ve been on the Net, I’ve explained these simple facts thousands of times.  But it just seems to bounce off people’s heads, and they faithfully continue to echo the line that socialism means “government control”.  Possibly it’s the only thing they understand—that they can understand.

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Robert, April 24 at 1:23 am #

By Inherit The Wind, April 23 at 11:36 pm #

EL, what Nemesis has done to you was EXACTLY what Robert was doing to Shenonymous—using the fact that you are female as a reason to dismiss you, rather than attacking you for your posts and ideas.  He calls you “sweetheart” to belittle you, as Robert called She “lard ass” to belittle her.  I tried (ineffectually) to point that out to you.  But I wasn’t very nice about it (I got tired of being “nice” when I was attacked anyway).

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ITW’s ways are so transparent! A hypocrite and consistent with it. I pointed this out to him way long ago… on so many times!

He has been so generous with that “fake maple syrup” that is flowing towards ElisaLouisa lately…and maybe, just maybe, he wants EL to wave the flag of his beloved Apartheid Israel, join the camp and get on with that “ADL megaphone” on TD.

Just the usual from ITW… sneaky & deceptive !
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As usual, Robert is only capable of appearing intelligent and intellectual when he’s clogging threads with other people’s words.

When he uses his own he shows that he’s nothing but a lying, vicious little moron, who hurls grade-school level insults.

His stupidity runs so deep he cannot even imagine how posters can be at each others throats in one thread, and come to a meeting of minds in another. 

There’s no “maple syrup” in my interaction with E-L. We have, to both our astonishment, found an area where we agree and can respect each other.  It’s the same with Shingo.

But Robert, in his on-going stupidity, brings every thread back to how much he hates Israel, and how Jews who support its existence are evil creatures—like this has ANYTHING to to do with the topic at hand.

Then, in his on-going lies, he calls me an “ADL megaphone”, as if I’m part of, or a supporter of the ADL, which I am not.

The smallness of Robert’s mind, the narrowness of it, the one-trackness of it is like a singer who insists on singing but is always off-key.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 24, 2010 at 4:59 am Link to this comment

Shingo, April 24 at 7:25 am #

A word of advice Tennessee-Socialist,

You sound like an escapee from the local assylum.  Chill out and get lost.
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What he is is a disgruntled ex-Soviet whose “Socialist Utopia” collapsed around his ears.  So now he’s here, where freedom of speech still exists, whining about the nation that survived and give him succor.

And he calls She a “shill” and a “troll” despite the fact that she (She) has been here far longer than T-S and will be here after he flames out.

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By Shingo, April 24, 2010 at 3:25 am Link to this comment

A word of advice Tennessee-Socialist,

You sound like an escapee from the local assylum.  Chill out and get lost.

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Yes, so while this is a great article, this website is advertising for the Bush/Clinton Haiti Fund within the article.  What a contradiction!  Chomsky would certainly agree that the Fund is a colonial project and advertising for it on a ‘liberal’ website shows exactly the kind of contradictions he speaks about within the liberal media.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 23, 2010 at 10:57 pm Link to this comment

DEAR SOCIALIST BROTHER CHRIS HEDGES, DEAR SOCIALIST BOLIVARIAN, LUTHER KING BROTHERS AND SISTERS: I LOVE SOCIALISM SO MUCH, SORRY IF I BOMB THIS SITE WITH PRO-SOCIALISM ARTICLES AND COMMENTS, BUT I JUST LOVE SOCIALISM SO MUCH AND I JUST CAN’T WAIT FOR A SOCIALIST SYSTEM OF LOVE, SOLIDARITY, COMPASSION, FORGIVENESS, MORALITY AND BROTHERHOOD, WHERE EVEN GLENN BECK WOULD FEEL GOOD.

TAKE A LOOK AT THIS VIDEO BY COMRADE ALAN MAASS FROM SOCIALISTWORKER.ORG ON THE SOCIALISM CONFERENCE 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZL1W-JQzr8

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 23, 2010 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment

WATCH THE SOCIALIST PHILOSOPHER SLAVOJ ZIZEK ON DEMOCRACY NOW TALKING ABOUT THE COLLAPSE OF CAPITALISM

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/15/slovenian_philosopher_slavoj_zizek_on_the


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By ofersince72, April 23, 2010 at 10:32 pm Link to this comment

I agree Tennessee,  they are scary people,  but
I also believe that fringe element is being used as
a distraction by the media, if the corportate media
wouldn’t give them the coverage that that they don’t
deserve they would go back in their caves and much of
the hot air would be taken out of the sails of Beck
and his fan club.

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By Shenonymous, April 23, 2010 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

You might be right Shingo, but only time will tell. 

RenZo, seeing that you peeked back to the forum…sorry to interrupt
your post about the banking bail out, but I found it!  This is what I said
in my post reply to cann4ing, “Today politics are so interwoven in
economics that those who are greedy are rightly called pigs, and blame
capitalism for it.  But I submit that there are greedy pigs that arise
within the system of socialism and that is a great part of why the big
Socialist states failed.  Not the only reason to be sure, as I think the
entire program of socialism fails because the individual gets lost in the
indistinguishable particles of the masses.”

My most gushy apologies to the pigs.  To the real swine, of the genus
sus domestica, that is.  But not to those who emulate their dirty habits. 
The real pigs cannot help it, but humans can.  I was using a common
vernacular and was being quite insensitive to the dear beasties with the
funny flat nose, big ears, and curly tail. 

To make amends, I promise not to eat any bacon, ham, or sausage for
a month!  And I will hang a picture of a pig in the hallway of my home
in honor of the venerable brethren.  I actually have a litho of a wild
boar hanging there now.  Surely that will show how contrite I am and I
will not desecrate the name ‘pig’ in the future.  This will have to do as I
find I cannot self-flagelate. I was too hasty in my magnanimous offer of
recompense, as I am averse to violence of any kind which includes self-
violence.  But I shall have to find a substitute name. Goat will not do,
because Leefeller defends goats. Hmmm.  Maybe I ought to leave the
animal kingdom out of it and seek within the android class.

It appears that T-S is self-destructing and America won’t have lost a
wink of sleep. 

For those who play with the idea of capitalism and all this business
about finances I am reminded of the Ferengi and their Rules of
Acquisition.  Out of the 286 these stick out as perhaps of high interest:
1.  Once you have their money ... never give it back.
3.  Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to.
6.  A man is only worth the sum of his possessions.
9.  Opportunity plus instinct equals profit, or by the associative rule:
Instinct plus opportunity equals profit. [I made up the associative rule]
10. Greed is eternal.
13. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
16. A deal is a deal ... until a better one comes along.
17. A contract is a contract is a contract (but only between Ferengi).
18. A Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all.
181. Not even dishonesty can tarnish the shine of profit.
202. The justification for profit is profit.
242. More is good ... all is better.
261. A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

Do you suppose the Ferengi were the Jews of the Star Trek Universe?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 23, 2010 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

WATCH THIS VIDEO BY THE WORKERS-WORLD PARTY OF USA ABOUT THE FAKE-CAPITALIST RECOVERY AND THE COMING CUT OF ALL SOCIAL-SERVICES IN THE USA INCLUDING FOOD-STAMPS, MEDICARE AND MEDICAID !!

http://workers.blip.tv/file/3345574/

shit, shit, the guy in the video said that many americans are even selling their food-stamps, giving up eating, and use the money to buy books, and school supplies for their kids or other stuff like medicine

USA is turning into a fourth world nation


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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 23, 2010 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment

BEWARE OF CAPITALISTS OF THE ULTRA-RIGHT WING TEA PARTY.  THEY ARE DANGEROUS PEOPLE. ANTI FOOD STAMPS, AND ANTI-TAXES.  TAXES ARE NECESSARY, EVEN HUGO CHAVEZ INCREASED TAXES TO FACE CRISIS.  RON PAUL AND LIBERTARIANS ARE ULTRA-RIGHT WINGERS.

Don’t believe in the ultra-right wing, libertarian conspiracy theorists.  The Tea Party, libertarian, ultra-right wing movement is funded by Republican Party corporations like Wal Mart to destroy the American Socialist Parties.  And socialism, welfare-state is the only solution to reduce poverty levels in USA.

Go to these 2 links on how wrong the ideology of free market libertarianism (neoliberalism) is, and how it destroys whole nations (Iceland and Greece)

http://martinkelly.blogspot.com/2008/03/why-libertarianism-is-wrong-and-will.html 

http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.Treanor/libertarian.html

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By Shingo, April 23, 2010 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment

“marketing and book keeping tricks.”  The clever marketing and
bookkeeping tricks will keep it afloat until the more permanent
corrections take place.  Nothing of this magnitude happens all at once. “

No, that’s just a means of distracting the public got long enough until the next headline
comes along and grabs their attention, just like the surge in Iraq. The biggest success
of the surge was how it was sold to the public.

The S&L scandal, which cost the taxpayer 1 trillion came and went. Jo public forgot
about it along with the fact that social security was plundered to cover the losses.

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By Robert, April 23, 2010 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment

Yasher Koah, Judge Goldstone

04.22.2010 | Jerusalem Post

What the South African Jewish community did last week was shameful.

“Judge Richard Goldstone, talking last October with a group of liberal North American rabbis, explained why he agreed to head the UN’s investigation of the war in Gaza.

“I knew,” he said, “there would be strong and negative opposition to my doing it on the part of members of the Jewish community and particularly with the government of Israel and its supporters in Israel and the Diaspora. But I really felt that to live with myself and to live with my own conscience, I couldn’t justify having gotten involved in the investigations in many other countries and because I was Jewish refuse to use the same norms and the same principles in relation to Israel.”

I don’t think there is a single Israeli or Diaspora Jew in a high position of leadership today who understands what Goldstone was talking about. What he was talking about, plainly and simply, was moral courage.

It’s not here. It’s not what Israel is about, not what Diaspora Jewry is about, certainly not the leadership, and not the followers, either, who want to stay inside the warmth of the consensus. To be a good, patriotic Zionist Jew today, you have to pour out your wrath on Goldstone. A “small man,” was how President Shimon Peres described him. An “evil” man, a “traitor,” was Alan Dershowitz’s description.

As far as I’m concerned, neither Peres nor Dershowitz nor any of the legions of other proud, patriotic Zionist Jews who’ve ganged up on Goldstone are worthy of carrying his briefcase.

He is the absolute best of the Jewish tradition. He stands up for justice, he stands up for the oppressed and he speaks truth to power – no matter who holds the power and no matter what it costs him. This is one of the great Jews of our time. Goldstone is the secular equivalent of a Jewish prophet, and by trying so hard to dishonor him, Israel and the Diaspora Jewish establishment have succeeded only in dishonoring themselves.

LAST WEEK the Zionist and Orthodox Jewish establishment in South Africa stooped to forcing him to agree to stay away from his grandson’s upcoming bar mitzva in Johannesburg. (Goldstone now lives in Washington DC.) The South African Zionist Federation threatened to lead a protest outside the synagogue, so Goldstone, “in the interest of my grandson,” announced he wouldn’t be attending the ceremony.

The machers of the South African Jewish community were pleased. Avrom Krengel, chairman of the Zionist Federation, said his organization had been duly “sensitive” to the bar mitzva boy and his family. Rabbi Moshe Kurtsag, head of the South African beit din, or religious court, pronounced the outcome “quite a sensible thing to avert all this unpleasantness.” No religious or communal leader of South African Jewry said a word against this abomination. Neither did any Jewish leader outside South Africa. Neither did anybody important in Israel.

By the end of last week, the ostracism of Goldstone had backfired. The story ran in The New York Times, the British papers, all around the world. The leaders of organized South African Jewry had brought shame on the community, so this week they’re in damage control mode, suggesting that maybe it wasn’t such a good idea, after all, to destroy a kid’s bar mitzva to get at his grandfather.

I’m sure that by the end of this week, the South African Jewish machers will have shoved the whole episode down the memory hole. They’re very good at this. So is Israel. Ever since apartheid ended, South African Jewish officialdom has tried to make everyone forget they ever went along the system, while Israeli officialdom has tried to make everyone forget the special relationship they had with the white regime.

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Click on link for the rest:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/great/

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 23, 2010 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

DEAR FRIENDS: I think that Shenonymous is a Republican Party shill or a Tea Bagger shill, so don’t worry about Shenonymous deffense of KKKapitalism.  Because only Republic-rat Voters deffend capitalism with such a deep passion. Even Democrat voters love socialism and social-democracy.  But Republican Party loyal voters think that the wonderful Invisible Hand of the markets is a religion.

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By ofersince72, April 23, 2010 at 9:30 pm Link to this comment

What is this “correction” thing your waiting on?
  Does capitolism require you to keep waiting on this
  thing?
  We have a lot of “house of corrections” where
  institutional racism runs rampant.

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