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Posted on Sep 10, 2011
AP / Richard Drew

A person falls from the north tower of New York’s World Trade Center after terrorists crashed two hijacked airliners into the 110-story twin buildings on Sept. 11, 2001.

By Chris Hedges

I arrived in Times Square around 9:30 on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. A large crowd was transfixed by the huge Jumbotron screens. Billows of smoke could be seen on the screens above us, pouring out of the two World Trade towers. Two planes, I was told by people in the crowd, had plowed into the towers. I walked quickly into the New York Times newsroom at 229 W. 43rd St., grabbed a handful of reporter’s notebooks, slipped my NYPD press card, which would let me through police roadblocks, around my neck, and started down the West Side Highway to the World Trade Center. The highway was closed to traffic. I walked through knots of emergency workers, police and firemen. Fire trucks, emergency vehicles, ambulances, police cars and rescue trucks idled on the asphalt.

The south tower went down around 10 a.m. with a guttural roar. Huge rolling gray clouds of noxious smoke, dust, gas, pulverized concrete, gypsum and the grit of human remains enveloped lower Manhattan. The sun was obscured. The north tower collapsed about 30 minutes later. The dust hung like a shroud over Manhattan. 

I headed toward the spot where the towers once stood, passing dazed, ashen and speechless groups of police officers and firefighters. I would pull out a notebook to ask questions and no sounds would come out of their mouths. They forlornly shook their heads and warded me away gently with their hands. By the time I arrived at Ground Zero it was a moonscape; whole floors of the towers had collapsed like an accordion. I pulled out pieces of paper from one floor, and a few feet below were papers from 30 floors away. Small bits of human bodies—a foot in a woman’s shoe, a bit of a leg, part of a torso—lay scattered amid the wreckage. 

Scores of people, perhaps more than 200, pushed through the smoke and heat to jump to their deaths from windows that had broken or they had smashed. Sometimes they did this alone, sometimes in pairs. But it seems they took turns, one body cascading downward followed by another. The last acts of individuality. They fell for about 10 seconds, many flailing or replicating the motion of swimmers, reaching 150 miles an hour. Their clothes and, in a few cases, their improvised parachutes made from drapes or tablecloths shredded. They smashed into the pavement with unnerving, sickening thuds. Thump. Thump. Thump. Those who witnessed it were particularly shaken by the sounds the bodies made on impact. 

The images of the “jumpers” proved too gruesome for the TV networks. Even before the towers collapsed, the falling men and women were censored from live broadcasts. Isolated pictures appeared the next day in papers, including The New York Times, and then were banished. The mass suicide, one of the most pivotal and important elements in the narrative of 9/11, was expunged. It remains expunged from public consciousness.

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The “jumpers” did not fit into the myth the nation demanded. The fate of the “jumpers” said something so profound, so disturbing, about our own fate, smallness in the universe and fragility that it had to be banned. The “jumpers” illustrated that there are thresholds of suffering that elicit a willing embrace of death. The “jumpers” reminded us that there will come, to all of us, final moments when the only choice will be, at best, how we will choose to die, not how we are going to live.  And we can die before we physically expire.

The shock of 9/11, however, demanded images and stories of resilience, redemption, heroism, courage, self-sacrifice and generosity, not collective suicide in the face of overwhelming hopelessness and despair. 

Reporters in moments of crisis become clinicians. They collect data, facts, descriptions, basic information, and carry out interviews as swiftly as possible. We make these facts fit into familiar narratives. We do not create facts but we manipulate them. We make facts conform to our perceptions of ourselves as Americans and human beings. We work within the confines of national myth. We make journalism and history a refuge from memory. The pretense that mass murder and suicide can be transformed into a tribute to the victory of the human spirit was the lie we all told to the public that day and have been telling ever since. We make sense of the present only through the lens of the past, as the French philosopher Maurice Halbwachs pointed out, recognizing that “our conceptions of the past are affected by the mental images we employ to solve present problems, so that collective memory is essentially a reconstruction of the past in the light of the present. … Memory needs continuous feeding from collective sources and is sustained by social and moral props.” 

I returned that night to the newsroom hacking from the fumes released by the burning asbestos, jet fuel, lead, mercury, cellulose and construction debris. I sat at my computer, my thin paper mask still hanging from my neck, trying to write and catch my breath. All who had been at the site that day were noticeable in the newsroom because they were struggling for air. Most of us were convulsed by shock and grief. 

There would soon, however, be another reaction. Those of us who were close to the epicenters of the 9/11 attacks would primarily grieve and mourn. Those who had some distance would indulge in the growing nationalist cant and calls for blood that would soon triumph over reason and sanity. Nationalism was a disease I knew intimately as a war correspondent. It is anti-thought. It is primarily about self-exaltation. The flip side of nationalism is always racism, the dehumanization of the enemy and all who appear to question the cause. The plague of nationalism began almost immediately. My son, who was 11, asked me what the difference was between cars flying small American flags and cars flying large American flags.

“The people with the really big flags are the really big assholes,” I told him.


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By Leefeller, September 23, 2011 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

As a card carrying absolutist with certainty on top, Ozark Michael, seems to not comprehend the meaning of the words he appears to fanatically utilize by his own actions and words, hence seemingly a fanatic who is unwavering in worship of a blind cause, lead by constant barking dogmas!

According to OM, I am certain and absolutely sure about OM and all other things Tea Bag, for certainty is all of everything and all of anyone this is the absolutist motto!

The job creamers, trickle down this, if I don’t like it this means it smacks of socialism, government is to big according to me so it is, regulations are annoying, so they cost jobs, collective bargaining is a no no because I say so so!... Last but not least lower taxes for the top one percent so they can buy a new loophole jet or tax deducted shack in the Bahamas creating jobs for those well paid non union upstairs downstairs service folks.

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By Cliff Carson, September 23, 2011 at 4:12 am Link to this comment

To redslider, September 22 at 10:45 pm

redslider, you might be thinking of American Crossroads GPS.  This Republican Political Organization does not have to report who its donors are.  They can be Foreign Entities and Corporations and there is no limit on contributions.

But never dismiss ALEC as a lesser danger to the common man.  It is the Corporations that write these laws and the subservient Congressional elected members of Government who shepherd them thru into law.

The money collectors - American Crossroads and its spin off’s such as American Crossroads GPS act in concert with ALEC , and use the U S Government as its enforcement arm to tramp down dissent. 

With GPS a Foreign Country can pour an unlimited stream of money into our Political system with the U S common man being completely unaware of what he is up against.

The Key is the Front Man - The Political Party - promising common man that they are his salvation.

That is why I am so adamant against Party Loyalty and have suggested again and again that the American people throw off that Party dependence.

But to defeat them we have to beat them at their own game.  And that requires organized effort.

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By redslider, September 22, 2011 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment

@Cliff

A few months ago I came across a reference to a group that appeared more shadowy, exclusive and subversive than ALEC. The references were vague, though it left the impression that it might be a higher level of control and right-wing ops of which ALEC was merely a visible action arm.  The reference disappeared and I have been able to find nothing on it since.  I recall that Rove and possibly the Koch Bros. were involved with it.  The only other thing that I remember ua the words “legislative” and “council” might have been in its title (like ALEC) - but the name wasn’t identical.  That’s all I remember (I was busy getting up to speed on ALEC).  Wondering if you know/have any information on this group (a controlling right wing cabal of some kind?) If not - keep an eye open for it.  I suspect ALEC isn’t the top of the ladder, not by a long shot.

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By Cliff Carson, September 22, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

To Leefeller, September 18 at 8:36 am

“This explains very well the existence of bought and paid for Tea bagger/Republicans.”

Yes Lefeller

ALEC is a Right Wing organization basically Republican and Corporate Membership who’s sole function seems to be to subvert our Constitutional framework.

Any organization who brags that they let the Corporations write the laws then submit them for adoption cannot be for the common man.

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By OzarkMichael, September 22, 2011 at 5:33 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller said: “This explains very well the existence of bought and paid for Tea bagger/Republicans.”

This explains very well why your existance is similar to Martha/Thomas, because she said the exact same thing about anyone she didnt like. Your absolutisms are getting worse and worse, Leefeller.

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By Rixar13, September 22, 2011 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

“The people with the really big flags are the really big assholes,” I told him.

Thumbs up ^ on this statement….

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By blogdog, September 19, 2011 at 10:03 pm Link to this comment

RE:  “What took them so long to finally retaliate?”

Au contraire - what took them so long to dream up such an heinously
tragic and impressively devastating black-op/psy-op, false flag provocation? 

But wait, it didn’t take that long - WTC ‘93 just wasn’t well enough planned - any
doubts…

e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd9ljmaw8jw

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By redslider, September 18, 2011 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

Leefeller and Lee Oates: 

A “natural” reason why the U.S. so stubbornly persists in its own (&world;-threatening) decline was suggest by Salhins & Service (Evolution and Culture, 1960). A dominant culture or civilization may fail in the face revolutionary culture change when the costs (in energy and dislocations) of making the adjustments required is greater than it can bear. In short, we may be caught in our own tar-pit (literally) of those very traits and technologies that gave rise to our dominance in the first place.

The new wrinkle of course is that previous declining civilizations did not send out emissaries to actively prevent outlying civilizations from rising and becoming the new dominant civilizations (the Egyptians, e.g., did not send troops to the Phoenicians to compel them to keep using hieroglyphics and stone tablets).  We’ve send our corporations abroad to compel the rest of the world to adopt the same dangerous practices which are accelerating our demise.  In this case, we may just have to wait and see if the world can withstand the assault and just say, “NO!”

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By redslider, September 18, 2011 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Leefeller and Lee Oates: 

A “natural” reason why the U.S. so stubbornly persists in its own (&world;-threatening) decline was suggested by Salhins & Service (Evolution and Culture, 1960). A dominant culture or civilization may fail in the face revolutionary culture change when the costs (in energy and dislocations) of making the adjustments required is greater than it can bear. In short, we may be caught in our own tar-pit (literally) of those very traits and technologies that gave rise to our dominance in the first place.

The new wrinkle of course is that previous declining civilizations did not send out emissaries to actively prevent outlying cultures from rising and becoming the new dominant civilizations (the Egyptians, e.g., did not send troops to the Phoenicians to compel them to keep using hieroglyphics and stone tablets).  We’ve send our corporations abroad to compel the rest of the world to adopt the same dangerous practices which are accelerating our own demise (our particular brands of capitalism, democracy and technology).  In this case, we may just have to wait and see if the world can withstand the assault and just say, “NO!”

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By Leefeller, September 18, 2011 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

Damn, I try to shy away from predictions, but lack of respect for mother earth does appear real, so we observe this never ending Abuse of each other and the world around us, instead of respect for what is.

There is a point of view, respect should be earned, but how does mother earth earn respect, mother earth should be given respect as our mother so it should be a given.

Seems to be no shortage of takers and opportunists, well at least the Chinese realized there was a need to quell the populations expansion in their country, but this does not address the rest of the starving world.

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By Lee Oates, September 18, 2011 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

At last a touch of reality.  The real tragedy here is not the manipulation of politics and corporations, but the absolute lack of contact with the reality of our relationship with the earth.  Runaway population, declining resources, constant violence to resolve conflict, and the slow but steady destruction of our natural planet.  All the money and power in the world can’t replace our basic needs like air, water, or food.  We are on a quick path to extinction as a species. [Klwihl H’auuaqum Xsgaak]

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By Leefeller, September 18, 2011 at 8:36 am Link to this comment

After checking out the link provided by Puma, all I can say is we are doomed to continue without hope and change! This explains very well the existence of bought and paid for Tea bagger/Republicans. 

So much for one person, one dollar and one vote!

ALEC seems to be one little tip of the ice berg. What I cannot understand or comprehend is why people would accept these manipulations with open arms and even defend them with some deluded form of disconnected dogma from reality?

In Germany people lived in fear from their own government but I suppose many supported even embraced the concept of fear against their fellows. In our great USA the Japanese interment camps seemed the same kind of thing, as people were moved into the camps, others, opportunists took over their land and property? Hell same thing happened to the native Americans.

I feel very strongly apathy may be part of the problem, also I am coming to the conclusion manipulations and opportunism will continue to supersede morals, integrity and fairness.

I for now have little hope for humankind!

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By Cliff Carson, September 18, 2011 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

To John Puma

Thank you for the link to this massive and very informative work.  Your comments seem to sum it up accurately.

As I was reading thru the information at the Link, when I went thru the “Front Organizations” I was surprised that the Front Group ALEC was not listed.  Possibly it is because it works very secretly and claims not to be a Front?

Although this Heavily Right Wing ( Republican) organization brags about how much Corporation written Laws it gets into the “Law of the Land”
it is a very little known group to the General Public.  Here is a link explaining the Agenda based Right Wing Group and an excerpt from that Link site:

http://alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

ALEC is not a lobby; it is not a front group. It is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, behind closed doors, corporations hand state legislators the changes to the law they desire that directly benefit their bottom line. Along with legislators, corporations have membership in ALEC. Corporations sit on all nine ALEC task forces and vote with legislators to approve “model” bills. They have their own corporate governing board which meets jointly with the legislative board. (ALEC says that corporations do not vote on the board.) Corporations fund almost all of ALEC’s operations. Participating legislators, overwhelmingly conservative Republicans, then bring those proposals home and introduce them in statehouses across the land as their own brilliant ideas and important public policy innovations—without disclosing that corporations crafted and voted on the bills. ALEC boasts that it has over 1,000 of these bills introduced by legislative members every year, with one in every five of them enacted into law. ALEC describes itself as a “unique,” “unparalleled” and “unmatched” organization. We agree. It is as if a state legislature had been reconstituted, yet corporations had pushed the people out the door.

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By John Puma, September 18, 2011 at 1:16 am Link to this comment

Mr Hedges wrote:  “The attacks TURNED US INTO monsters, grotesque ghouls,
sadists and killers who drop bombs on village children and waterboard those we
kidnap, strip of their rights and hold for years without due process. We acted
before we were able to think. And it is the satanic lust of violence that has us
locked in its grip.”  (my emphasis)

I beg to differ.  The attacks occurred because because we have proven, for more
than a century, that WE, as a nation, ARE, and have been for some time,
international “monsters, grotesque ghouls, sadists and killers who drop bombs
on village children ... ” 

We have done so from the Philippines, to Viet Nam to Iraq (1991) ... and its 12-
year, one million victim “economic sanction” that was still in effect when the 2003
war was started.

Take a look at the document linked below entitled “Basic Statistics of US
Imperialism.”  From the end of WWII (our effort to wipe out a clear and obvious
competitor to our goal of world domination) we have averaged three PER YEAR
“interventions” of some sort against sovereign nations across the world

http://tinyurl.com/5uy93

My reaction to the news of the 9/11 attacks:  “What took them so long to finally
retaliate?”

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By truedigger3, September 17, 2011 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

Re: By diamond, September 17 at 4:14 pm

diamnod wrote addressing me:
“...are you going to maintain the lie that the Middle East is some arcane mystery that no one but you can understand and that the people who live there are aliens from another planet and not fellow human beings who are very much like us and want very much what we want? If so, get lost….”
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diamond,
Please don’t put words in my mouth that I didn’t say. That is intellectually dishonest. I didnt say none of the above. All that I said is that you are clueless and very politically naive about the Middle East and the forces and the insidious devious politics and games used by INTERNATIONAL players to create the chaos and wars in the Middle East. Got it!

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By diamond, September 17, 2011 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

“but unfortunately you ain’t gotta a clue!”

No. Unfortunately I do have a clue. Or are you going to maintain the lie that the Middle East is some arcane mystery that no one but you can understand and that the people who live there are aliens from another planet and not fellow human beings who are very much like us and want very much what we want? If so, get
lost. I know neither of those things is true and so do you, so it’s a waste of time to claim otherwise.

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By Cliff Carson, September 17, 2011 at 6:59 am Link to this comment

To Inherit The Wind

You said:

“Clearly Diamond is speaking about Libya, not Iraq.

And your response NEVER mentions Iraq:”

To this statement of yours I reply :

I went back and read Diamond’s post and you are correct, he was speaking about Libya in his comment but when he quoted “In a war zone poor people wave the flag of whichever fascists they fear most.” , I believed and still do, that he meant “in all these wars that have been initiated by the United States.”

Diamond:  To settle this, could you let Inherit The Wind and I know whether you meant just Libyans or all victim nations and their people.

Sometime in the past we had discussed a comment I had written about the stars in the sky equating the number of Iraqi children who died as a result of the sanctions and daily bombings.  It was a discussion I had with my Uncle Glynn one night looking at the stellar sky display.  It might have even been in another thread.

The important thing here is that I didn’t mean to infer that 2 million Libyans had been killed and 4 million displaced.  In a county of less than 6 million people that would be improbable.

So if I confused you, or anyone else, Inherit The Wind, it was not my intention. 

For the record, the numbers I posted acknowledging Diamond on the 15th of September at 2:07 P.M. was in reaction to his post, pertaining to Iraqi victims and none else.

If we added in the rest of those victims who have perished from our Empire Building warring activities, I am sure the figure would be obviously much higher.

We need to have a complete reworking of our Government and we need to bring a bunch of our leaders before a court charged with crimes against humanity.

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By wackytrutherconspiracynuttinfoiler99, September 17, 2011 at 3:11 am Link to this comment
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“By the time I arrived at Ground Zero it was a
moonscape; whole floors of the towers had collapsed
like an accordion.”

Interesting comment. I’d like to see hard of evidence
of it, if it is true.  What about those floors, anyway?
I have seen one or two pictures showing perhaps a half-
dozen sections of floor slabs stacked up, a total of
fifteen to twenty feet high, and that is all.  The rest
of the floors mostly became “cloud” and that could have
only been caused by explosives, not gravity.

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By blogdog, September 17, 2011 at 1:30 am Link to this comment

bloody hell - freedom fighters ?!?!
http://rt.com/news/rebels-kill-each-other/

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By truedigger3, September 16, 2011 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

Re: By diamond, September 16 at 2:41 pm


diamod wrote:
“I remember seeing one young man in his twenties fighting with the rebels who was asked by a journalist at a tricky point in a battle ‘What will happen if you don’t get air….....”
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diamond,

You are using an interview by the MSM with UNKNOWN twenty years old as a proof for your obviously illogical disjointed accout of and conclsions about events????.
It is glaringly obvious that you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about and you need real education about REAL world politics especially the Middle East.
At least you are honest, not like some other dishonest posters here, but unfortunately you ain’t gotta a clue!

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By Inherit The Wind, September 16, 2011 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

CC:

Here is Diamond’s original post, on Libya:

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diamond, September 15 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

“In a war zone poor people wave the flag of whichever fascists they fear
most.”

This is the pathetic position those who opposed the NATO intervention in Libya are now in. They have to go on pretending that the people of Libya didn’t want to get rid of Gaddafi, that he wasn’t so bad and even if he was psychotic and a dictator who was perfectly happy to butcher his own people to stay in power it wasn’t anyone else’s business. It amazes me that these people have no problem with the idea that the Libyans are somehow not just a different nationality but a different species, that doesn’t want democracy and doesn’t want a different future not only for themselves but for their children. Of course that’s what they want. It’s what all people everywhere want but the forces of conservatism, neo-liberalism and the corporatocracy want to retain them as oil slaves and various other kinds of slaves.

You only have to look at Russia’s position on Syria. With the Arab spring they have lost a lot of so-called ‘allies’ (code for Fascist dictators) so now they refuse to vote for sanctions against Assad and his cronies because they don’t want to lose Syria as an ally, which they assuredly will if the chessboard is re-configured. Russia doesn’t care if Assad equals or surpasses his father’s tally of 30,000 of his own people dead at his hand, killed in a former uprising in Syria. But I suppose according to this argument that the non-interventionists spout day and night, the Syrians don’t want democracy either: that’s why they’re going out to protest even though they know Assad will use snipers to kill them. People who make these arguments are moral pygmies.
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Clearly Diamond is speaking about Libya, not Iraq.

And your response NEVER mentions Iraq:

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Cliff Carson, September 15 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

Diamond

Just a few numbers for you.

Over a million children dead.

Over a million adults dead.

Over four million people disposed.

Why?  “To liberate the people from a brutal dictator”.  The Warriors said.

I will grant you the two million are now free.

But will you admit that none of the others are free?

Do you have anything to say about the people who caused the above?
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You NEVER mention Iraq, position your post over Diamond’s about Libya and leave the reader TO INFER THE STATOCliff Carson, September 15 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

Diamond

Just a few numbers for you.

Over a million children dead.

Over a million adults dead.

Over four million people disposed.

Why?  “To liberate the people from a brutal dictator”.  The Warriors said.

I will grant you the two million are now free.

But will you admit that none of the others are free?

Do you have anything to say about the people who caused the above?
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You NEVER mention Iraq, position your post directly after Diamond’s post about Libya, and duplicitously con the reader into inferring that these statistics refer to LIBYA, not Iraq!

That is not right. While I SERIOUSLY question your numbers referring to Iraq, but when try to make the reader think they apply to Libya, you are engaging in deliberate deception.

And I’ve called you on it. You can either admit that is what you were doing, or say you REALLY meant to indicate it was Iraq, or continue to pretend you never did this. Up to you.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 16, 2011 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

CC:
I don’t have an agenda.  I’ve been living in the world of statistics for 30 years.  I just want reasonably accurate and precise figures.  I OPPOSED the War in Iraq from before the first bullet was fired and have NEVER budged from that position.  The Neacon Agenda for Iraq is something despicable and I’ve said that time and time again. The only heroes are the young men and women who did the right thing, protected their fellow soldiers and civilians and, even if it was a terrible cause, served their nation with honor.  Those that crossed the line into atrocities aren’t heroes (like at Abu Ghraib).  But NOBODY in the Bush regime and NOBODY who defended the invasion after it was OBVIOUSLY based on a lie is any hero to me.

So just get that notion out of your head.  I want FACTS.

You’ve deliberately ignored significant sampling bias and a very obvious statistic: The ratio of injured to dead.  Ballparking it, it’ about what? Six to 1?  Therefore if you estimate of “hurt” is 650,000 (and includes dead) than 1/7 of that is less than 100,000—round it up to 100k to be conservative…that’s not 2 million dead.

Yet, while I’m not an expert on sampling and selecting a sample cohort from a population, nor on survey questioning, I’ve seen hundreds of them in my work and a blatantly obvious error can be seen. If interviewers each claim to be seeing 40 families a day, THEY ARE LYING!  Even in a 10 hour day that means meeting, questioning, recording and moving once every 15 minutes to reach 40 families. NOT HAPPENING!

Here is a tart view of sampling by Sir Josiah Stamp, a statistician, economist and banker as this quip:
“The government are very keen on amassing statistics. They collect them, add them, raise them to the nth power, take the cube root and prepare wonderful diagrams. But you must never forget that every one of these figures comes in the first instance from the village watchman, who just puts down what he damn pleases.”

So, if the data collectors are suspect, NOTHING ELSE can be considered valid.

This isn’t an “agenda” of mine. I want the truth, not cooked opinions from “neocons” who lie to prove everything they did was good or from “progressives” who engage in reductionism and “convenient” statistics to prove everything the neocons did was bad.  Hell, HONEST statistics and analysis show that!

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By Gabriel, September 16, 2011 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment

I was somewhat OK with this article until genius Chris Hedges started blaming Arabs for 9/11 .. Especially when there’s overwhelming evidence it’s USofA and it’s allies that did it.

Add Chris Hedges as another dumb, stupid and ignorant to the list of shills on TD.


As for the picture some of you are blabbering about:
Truth hurts, don’t it?
You’re lucky PPL don’t give links to HD video of PPL hitting pavement, military brass laughing it up, Israelis celebrating, Skull and Bones doing a ritual and numerous other related cults cheering as 9/11 happened.

There are now Millions of PPL all over the world who have most of the truth about 9/11 ... including emails of most involved, phone conversations, documents, video, physical evidence and much more. Many have 99% of detailed evidence of what went on. It’s just a matter of time before it blows up in perpetrators faces.

As more PPL see this evidence it will get to the point where perpetrators will not be able to leave their homes without ridicule, the guilty of 9/11 creating their own prisons.

With the Lawful Revolution that’s coming it’s going to be interesting to see how TD responds.

This is only the begging as the rest of this planet is about to serve USofA and it’s allies a taste of their own medicine, a real big taste.
Think global war.
Stick that in your “nationalism_in_the_aftermath_of_9_11”

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By Lee Oates, September 16, 2011 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

It must be very comforting to an Iraqi to know that Americans are very concerned about the number of their relatives killed in their liberation. Sort of like the “body count” in Vietnam.

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By Cliff Carson, September 16, 2011 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment

Inherit the Wind

I looked at data from one survey that showed around your figure of 650,000( who’s data was not well organized).  There are also surveys that put the loss of Iraqi civilian life at less than 50,000.

I took the population of Iraq (25,000,000) and estimated seven members per family under one roof.  I then divided the population by 7 to calculate 3,571,421 families (three million,five hundred seventy one thousand,four hundred twenty one families) using 7 members as the average family under one roof.

This is probably a high average household per family,  but using a high household number would reduce the number of Iraqi families, so if my data was wrongly structured , it will yield a lower number of casualties than the actual casualty count.  From my view that would be desirable in this argument should I be wrong.

The survey I looked at asked this question : “Have you or an immediate family member - by which I mean someone living in this household – been physically harmed by the violence that is occurring in the country at this time?”

The poll showed 17% of families answered yes and 83%  of families answered no.

OK those who claim to know something about statistics and sampling, stop right here and tell the world what is wrong with this question and therefore the survey.

The answer is :  This question doesn’t allow an average per family of more than one harmed per family.  And the reported result 17% Yes and 83% No totals to 100% of all families sampled.  Shouldn’t the average person of intelligence ask ” are you telling me that no family had more than one harmed?  If that was the case then there could not have been 83% no’s truthfully reported.

Inherit The Wind, you mentioned that your guys Peer Reviewed some of these surveys.  I hope you didn’t Peer Review this one, otherwise I would question your Subject Matter Experts knowledge, or honesty,  whichever comes first.
 
Any other statisticians out there to comment on what I have just written?

But even at that with 3,571,421 families, 17% would = 601,143 harmed Iraqi’s.  Now the word harmed was used.  I didn’t see a definition for “harmed”.  You would think a good survey group that KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING,  OR WHO DIDN’T WANT TO SKEW THE RESULTS , would have asked the questions like this:

How many died from a war cause other than killed___, how many were killed___, or are unaccounted for who lived under this roof___?
How many have been permanently injured from a war cause that lived under this roof_____?
How many died from a disease that couldn’t be properly treated that lived under this roof_____?
How many are permanently disabled from a disease that couldn’t be properly treated that lived under this roof_____?
How many that lived under this roof suffered from malnutrition because the war prevented the normal food chain from being available ____.

And there would be many other questions, such as babies born who died from lack of proper food and medicine , how many babies were born with birth defects due to the mothers ingestion of DU?
All this information is needed. 
My point here is that the Lancet Medical Group did their surveys in the manner I suggest to be the proper method.  They used Cluster Sampling and other acceptable Statistical tools.

Those who want the loss of life to be lower, say like ITW, just might have an agenda to put forward.
I admit that I didn’t specifically say “those killed in Iraq during the Iraqi War”, but it wasn’t a deliberate attempt at misrepresentation.  If you would read back to my response to Diamond you will see that he and I had been corresponding about both the Iraqi War and the time from 1991 to 2003 when the U S was daily bombing Iraq and the U S pressured the UN to place severe sanctions on Iraq for the Kuwaiti War.

If you want to look into some real skullduggery read about the lead up to that war.  Your heroes don’t shine too bright there ITW.

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By OzarkMichael, September 16, 2011 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

Even before the towers collapsed, the falling men and women were censored from live broadcasts. Isolated pictures appeared the next day in papers, including The New York Times, and then were banished. The mass suicide, one of the most pivotal and important elements in the narrative of 9/11, was expunged. It remains expunged from public consciousness.

Chris Hedges then concludes that the ‘jumpers’ didnt fit our macho self image so thats why they were expunged, edited, removed from public view. I am sorry, that is totally wrong.

The images of ‘jumpers’ forced people to see the victims one at a time. Not as a mass, not behind closed doors. One at a time, Mr Hedges.

They forced the viewers to see how completely helpless each victim was in the face of the attack. One at a time, Mr Hedges, never mind your leftist ‘collectivity’.

Now Chris Hedges might have felt all scared. He might have seen it as ‘collective’ suicide and a reminder of his mortality. How he might have to choose to die someday. In other words, he thought of himself. Shame!

As a Leftist faced with evidence of individual decisions, Mr Hedges ponders collectivity and surrender. Shame! And Shame!

Well, he has no idea why the networks stopped showing the jumpers. Neither do the rest of you.

So yes you are what you loathe. You really are.

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By Lee Oates, September 16, 2011 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

Amazing how, as Americans, we go to great lengths to justify or minimize our misdeeds.  We invade other countries to gain their resources, disrupt other governments throughout the world, support dictators, assassinate those we don’t like [Allunde], deny justice and use torture when possible [Gitmo and secret camps], and act like the KGB under the Patriot Act, spying on our own people.  But of course it is only for their own good of course.

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By diamond, September 16, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

“That is utterly false and pure bullshit.”

No. What is utterly false and pure bullshit is that the Libyan uprising was not the idea of the Libyans and that they didn’t fight this war with unbelievable courage and win it. I remember seeing one young man in his twenties fighting with the rebels who was asked by a journalist at a tricky point in a battle ‘What will happen if you don’t get air support?’ He shrugged and laughed, ‘We’ll die,’ he said. I hope he didn’t. But the point is he was prepared to die to get rid of Gaddafi and take his country back from a vicious dictator and his cronies. It’s a great idea. It might even catch on in the west.

Which is why the right wants to pretend it’s just another colonial oil war like their invasion of Iraq. That invasion was certainly not the idea of the Iraqis. They didn’t want it and they have got absolutely nothing out of it except over a million dead, four times as many injured and four to five million refugees. 9/11 and the anthrax letters were all about getting these two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ‘done’: pushing the country to accept these invasions as moral and even as part of spreading democracy and acts undertaken in self-defense instead of acts of moral depravity and cynical corporate self-interest, which is what they were. If you take a really good look at the Iraq war you might even notice that the Iraqis rose up, like the Libyans, and fought their occupiers. The insurgency began on Moqtada al Sadr’s patch because of two things: first they closed down a newspaper run by Sadr and then they refused to hold elections and threw out the man who wanted to hold them, Jay Garner and brought in Bremmer, the godfather of Baghdad. This led to a month of rioting and gun battles and it spread from there. But, I suppose it might be hard to understand why people who say they are bringing you democracy would close down a newspaper and refuse to hold elections. That would mean they were lying, wouldn’t it? And nobody likes being lied to. The real point of comparison is the Libyan uprising and the insurgency in Iraq, not the invasion of Iraq by colonizers.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 16, 2011 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

CC:

You most clearly did NOT include the deaths that occurred PRIOR TO the 2003 invasion.  It is also not at all “obvious” to me that those deaths are the result of our occasional bombings but rather sanctions imposed BY THE UN, and more particularly by the actions of Saddam Hussein.  The blame for wrongful deaths prior to March 2003 fall on HIS cursed head, not the USA’s.

Second, the Lancet study has been, in peer review, HEAVILY criticized for invalid data (claims of interviewing 40 families/day by one interview team were challenged as impossibly high, for example, and deviations from the approved collection form were another).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties

The later survey that claimed over 1 million wrongful deaths has been similarly challenged, as was the original estimate of 650,000 wrongful deaths. I am more inclined to consider that 650,000 was reasonable GUESS, considering the possible range was something like 350,000 to 950,000 wrongful deaths, and 650 falls right in the middle

Finally and most importantly, your post clearly wanted the reader to infer that 2 million wrongful deaths OCCURRED IN LIBYA!  And this is patently untrue.

You may not LIKE my analysis, but that is irrelevant.  You may insult me by calling me an apologist (I’m nothing of the sort) but that too is irrelevant.

The Lancet’s statistical methodology has been challenged by valid peer reviewers, not right-wing think-tank ideologues.

It is you who has attempted to make it seem as if 2,000,000 wrongful deaths IN LIBYA are the responsibility of the USA.  Neither the 2,000,000 nor the responsibility are true, despite your attempt to spin and your name-calling in an attempt to intimidate me into not responding.

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By Cliff Carson, September 16, 2011 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

Thanks Diamond, and I recall your comment you referred to but I also don’t know where it was posted.

For Inherit The Wind

What I said to Diamond was about the dead from Iraq only.  And I’m fairly sure you already knew that. And the 650,000 you mentioned was the 2006 survey, meaning you didn’t use the updated figures.  But you probably knew that also.  People are still dying in Iraq from War causes.

That’s just one of the Countries that American Empire has pillaged.  I noted that the American Empire reason given for those dead was to “liberate” the people.  And I might add that one of our diplomats when asked “Was the death of 500,000 Iraqi children an acceptable price to pay for getting rid of Saddam acceptable “?  The Diplomat answered yes.  That discussion was about the estimated children who died because of the American destruction of Iraq before the Iraqi war.

I asked Diamond to say something about the people whose actions caused those deaths and I asked Diamond to state that none of those “Liberated” were really free, something he had alluded to in his comments.

For your information Inherit The Wind:  Out of all the Iraqi Casualty surveys so far, only the Lancet surveys and the Iraq Family Health Survey were peer reviewed.  The published lancet Study showing approximately 1.4 million Iraqi dead does not include the ten years of death and destruction poured on Iraq by sanctions and daily U S Bombing of that country - between 1991 and 2003 - Before the invasion of Iraq.  The casualties from those bombings and sanctions have been estimated at more than a half million children.  I added that number to the Lancet figures and threw in the couple of hundred thousand estimated adults from that period to arrive at the over 2 million figure.

Watch carefully now IRW:  1.4 million + .5 million children+.2million adults = 2.1 Million dead people.

Could you explain your rationale for saying those figures are BS?  I know from past encounters with you that you are an apologist for this corrupt government and especially the Republican Party and their cohorts .  What I have asked you to do from back them is to become an American first and shuck loyalty to those that brought us to this depravity.


David you and some others want to bring in the slur of Liberals to just about everything and every comment posted on Truthdig.  Sometimes that might be appropriate but most of the time it is completely unadulterated BS.

Instead of trying to sell your Party line - you should renounce Party Loyalty - why don’t you direct your energy toward trying to be on the side of those people who truly desire the reform of our corrupt Government?  I will assure you, it is not the problem of just the Liberals, or the Republicans ,or the Conservatives, or the Democrats.

The problem that is killing the American freedom is -  Party Loyalty - right or wrong.

One more time , now all together, Neither the Democrats nor the Republican give a damn about the common man and his well being.

They are owe their souls to Special Interests.  That is what we need to end.  And I don’t think we can end it without getting rid of the Two Headed Washington Monster.

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By Leefeller, September 16, 2011 at 6:27 am Link to this comment

A fascist Dictator seems to really be muddying the waters of what is fascism. So then we could call ourselves a Fascist Republic in the footsteps of Mussolini and cronies?

As for calling ourselves a democracy and the Simple Simon idea we are exporting democracy around the world is ludicrous.(one of my few absolutism’s)  From what I have learned, the only democracy to ever exist was ancient Greece.

As for Arab Spring, I suspect they want a better life for themselves and their families, just like everyone else living on this planet and just like everyplace else in the history of time, the ever present opportunists and manipulators will see to it, but never what was planned for or expected just like the spring of good old hope and change.

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By David J. Cyr, September 16, 2011 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, diamond:

“This is the pathetic position those who opposed the NATO intervention in Libya are now in. They have to go on pretending that the people of Libya didn’t want to get rid of Gaddafi, that he wasn’t so bad and even if he was psychotic and a dictator who was perfectly happy to butcher his own people to stay in power it wasn’t anyone else’s business. It amazes me that these people have no problem with the idea that the Libyans are somehow not just a different nationality but a different species, that doesn’t want democracy and doesn’t want a different future not only for themselves but for their children. Of course that’s what they want. It’s what all people everywhere want but the forces of conservatism, neo-liberalism and the corporatocracy want to retain them as oil slaves and various other kinds of slaves.”
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Liberals got amply angered by the Republicans managing America’s fascism poorly — and too transparently — so the corporate party installed Democrats to reinvigorate the liberals’ desires for resource wars… provided the liberals are never required to ever fight in them, with all their killing done either by proxies or remote controlled weaponry.

There’s only one thing that angers a liberal more than fascism incompetently done by dumb Republicans. They most despise the principled people who sincerely oppose fascism, even when its competently well done by clever Democrats.

America has no democracy to export to others. America never achieved democracy, because there were too many Democrats.

The “Principles” of Liberal Voters:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=491&Itemid=1

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By truedigger3, September 16, 2011 at 12:18 am Link to this comment

Re: By diamond, September 15 at 1:32 pm

diamond,

Are you are one of those confused gullible naive “so called progressives”. You believe what they say that these imperialist wars to steal oil and resources are “humanitarian” intervetnion to “liberate” oppressed people.
That is utterly false and pure bullshit. 
Read Cliff Carson, September 15 at 2:07 pm in this thread and I posted about the same point before but I don’t remember in which thread and maybe in this thread
What you call the “Arab Spring” is in reality a dark gloomy freezing winter with very possible calamitous results for the Arabs.
“Inherit The Wind” is agreeing with you and that should raise a red flag and tell you something!!!
Wake up and use the material between your ears or are you one of those pretenders bullshit artists??!!

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By Inherit The Wind, September 15, 2011 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

Diamond:
It’s a pleasure to have a rare point of agreement with you, and I agree with every word in your last post. 

I have no idea where Cliff Carson got his numbers but they certainly don’t reflect the war in Libya, the one we did NOT fight in.  Best estimates of the dead run around 50,000, and almost all of that is the fault of Mohammar Qaddaffi.  Not 2 million.  50,000 dead is horrible, but 2 million is much worse.

Those numbers of CC’s don’t even reflect the Iraq war, where the most liberal estimates are of 650,000 “wrongful deaths” (which includes death by starvation, disease and other non-violent deaths caused by the fact of that war).

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By OzarkMichael, September 15, 2011 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Nationalism was a disease I knew intimately as a war correspondent. It is anti-thought. It is primarily about self-exaltation. The flip side of nationalism is always racism, the dehumanization of the enemy and all who appear to question the cause

        -Chris Hedges

Except in Egypt.

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By Cliff Carson, September 15, 2011 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

Diamond

Just a few numbers for you.

Over a million children dead.

Over a million adults dead.

Over four million people disposed.

Why?  “To liberate the people from a brutal dictator”.  The Warriors said.

I will grant you the two million are now free.

But will you admit that none of the others are free?

Do you have anything to say about the people who caused the above?

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By diamond, September 15, 2011 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

“In a war zone poor people wave the flag of whichever fascists they fear
most.”

This is the pathetic position those who opposed the NATO intervention in Libya are now in. They have to go on pretending that the people of Libya didn’t want to get rid of Gaddafi, that he wasn’t so bad and even if he was psychotic and a dictator who was perfectly happy to butcher his own people to stay in power it wasn’t anyone else’s business. It amazes me that these people have no problem with the idea that the Libyans are somehow not just a different nationality but a different species, that doesn’t want democracy and doesn’t want a different future not only for themselves but for their children. Of course that’s what they want. It’s what all people everywhere want but the forces of conservatism, neo-liberalism and the corporatocracy want to retain them as oil slaves and various other kinds of slaves.

You only have to look at Russia’s position on Syria. With the Arab spring they have lost a lot of so-called ‘allies’ (code for Fascist dictators) so now they refuse to vote for sanctions against Assad and his cronies because they don’t want to lose Syria as an ally, which they assuredly will if the chessboard is re-configured. Russia doesn’t care if Assad equals or surpasses his father’s tally of 30,000 of his own people dead at his hand, killed in a former uprising in Syria. But I suppose according to this argument that the non-interventionists spout day and night, the Syrians don’t want democracy either: that’s why they’re going out to protest even though they know Assad will use snipers to kill them. People who make these arguments are moral pygmies.

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By gregorylkruse, September 15, 2011 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

And all of the citizens who were sent to Iraq to be killed are losers.  All of them.

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By blogdog, September 15, 2011 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

RE: “In a war zone poor people wave the flag of whichever fascists they fear
most.”

why Libya’s citizens in the NATO-occupied zones publicly show support for the
so-called ‘rebels’ - an occupation that already isn’t going well, e.g.

Libya Intensifies Resistance to U.S. and NATO-led Occupation
Pentagon admits greater involvement on the ground

by Abayomi Azikiwe

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=26554

Global Research, September 14, 2011
Pan-African News Wire

Resistance by the loyalist forces in Libya has escalated with major clashes
between supporters of the Gaddafi government and the U.S.-NATO financed
rebel National Transitional Council (NTC).

[...]

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By David J. Cyr, September 15, 2011 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Chris Hedges:

“The people with the really big flags are the really big assholes,” I told him.
__________________

I spent several days in Manhattan after 9/11, taking photographs to document the reaction.

While some of the really big flags clearly were the advertisements of really big assholes, most of the really big flags that I saw being displayed appeared to be defensive mechanism efforts by non-white immigrants.

In a war zone poor people wave the flag of whichever fascists they fear most.

http://www.chenangogreens.org

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By BeReal, September 14, 2011 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment

Can’t be bothered searching through all the posts to find the one you were commenting on, but wanted to ask this.

Have the Republicans repealed free speech already? Otherwise, your criticism is invalid.

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By cpb, September 14, 2011 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

“Mr. Hedges, you actually called your fellow Americans assholes ... because they carried around an American flag too large to your liking? What is wrong with you?”

- tropicgirl

I can see where such a sentiment comes from and don’t doubt for a moment the sincerity of such.  That said, I think that the offending remark was delivered tongue in cheek.  Chris admits to a statement made in an instant, clearly reflective of a specific notion in his mind, but in a moment of real life, described after the fact.  Such a remark, in the context in which it was made, doesn’t express so much intent or attitude as it points to a stereotype which Chris finds distasteful.

‘Being an asshole’ and ‘fervent patriotic flag waving’ are characteristics that are not so hard to find in the same individual.  As a flippant remark, quoted after the fact, it should not be taken as generalization.

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By diamond, September 14, 2011 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

Alex to Paul:

“and you have no right to say the things you do.’


Not even if it’s true. And it is true.

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By Cliff Carson, September 14, 2011 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Lefeller

A suggestion on how to get the Coalition Convention going:

Last Election ( 2008 ) there was a Coalition Convention.  It was a weak attempt to get the Independent Parties together.  There was no slate per se selected although there was talk of doing so. 

The problem is that this meeting of the disenfranchised didn’t occur until a couple of months before the election.  Had it come together say by November of 2007 it might of had an impact.

I had looked up the Independent Parties and how to contact them the year before.  Then I contacted a bunch of them and suggested that if they came together - they would find out there is strength in numbers. 

We need a repeat of that this year only it needs to happen by the end of April next year.  The Third Parties need to elect representatives for their group and come to the convention with a platform and a slate of candidates.

But the most important thing right now is for each of those Parties to get themselves registered in each state.

I have seen several instances of someone promoting a Third Party.  You should call that party and start a dialog about the Third Parties joining together so that they can become a force, ask the parties to contact all the other Parties and get going - now. 

It will all have to be done on the Internet unless manna falls from heaven.

Can any Third Party volunteer to get the ball rolling?

We need a Central Voice and Site.  Ask those Third Parties to consider this.  If a Coalition could get 20 Representatives and 5 Senators elected, change could be forced.

Is there some other idea out there?  Does such an initiative already exist? 

Go here for a starting point

http://www.google.com/search?q=Third+Party+Coalition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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By Leefeller, September 14, 2011 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

Rambling thoughts on this and that!

Cliff, Opportunism makes for opportunists.

So we have Long Horn Tex Perry who at one time happened to be a Democrat, and what of Blue Dog Democrats? They seem but Republicans in Democrat fleeces.

The two party system seems a bit of a joke to me, though I agree with your comments, I find the Republicans much more like Hedges Big Flag guys, even so the Democrats have their share of flag wavers who represent special interests.

Right now the Democrats seem like they are being sucked into the right wing black hole away from the populist and common folk, maybe the Democrats in the Red states have more insight into the grand picture than the Democrats at the Federal Level?

I do not have any answers, just questions. One thing I feel strong on, is Obama and his compromising positions have been a very weak form of governing. One sided compromising is not compromising.

The people need to support the working folks not the opportunists corporations, people need to know unions are working people, education is a strong tool to teach people how to use reason and discernment.  Common sense is a whole other ball game!

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By Cliff Carson, September 14, 2011 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

I keep seeing concerned citizens who post on this thread talking about forming Third Parties and I noticed a couple who say that the Third Parties should bond together to form one united opposition to our government.

I agree that we should form a Coalition Party ( The Third Parties united coming together in a convention to choose a slate to run against that Two Headed Monster in Washington).

This is one half of what I have been advocating for the last four years.

The other half is turning your back forever one of head of the Two Headed Monster.  I suggested the Republican Party because I think they are the least likely to ever represent the common people.

But I could just as easily shun the Democratic Party.

Neither Party is any help to the common person.

If you don’t want to kick out the Republican Party first, say so, just keep in mind that the complete way to take back our Government is to:

1.  Form a Third Party Coalition so that votes won’t be scattered and thus not sufficient to change anything in a winner take all election.

2.  Shun one of the Two Major Parties forever into the future.  I choose to make it the Republican Party.  You make your choice and shun the other.  But whatever you do work for the Coalition of Third Parties.

Doing those two things will bring change, just remember this quote:

“Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything.” George Bernard Shaw

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By John Kesich, September 14, 2011 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

I have no argument with what Mr Hedges writes, however I wish he had addressed the key issue with 9/11 documented in these videos preview.tinyurl.com/jtk-wtc7 (9:29) and preview.tinyurl.com/jtk-wtc1 (5:32).

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By Cole..., September 14, 2011 at 10:27 am Link to this comment
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—-Again, I do not trust the believe the validity of half of what our government tells us and I feel the other half are lies!———————-

That pretty much explains the fix we are in, the mess, the wrecking of the nation—howevr you want to call it.

The choice is 1. government, as above or 2. The corporate. The corporate is only concerned with ‘Profit’. It is not concerned with how the ‘profit’ comes—and plunder is is as good as sales.

Corporate answers to “no one”
Government answers to “The People”—-(at least our Government is supposed to)—-
but our Government is in the process of trying to eat itself. And “we the People”  go to the booth to “vote”, and we vote for a H&C and get====
Ta Ta—a corporate owned Government.

The equation suggested above has been reduced to corporate Government or Corporate.
You choice of course.

It’s the same with Congress…corporate owned on both sides. The lament subtle hinted in the opening is reduced to:
Ta Ta- So what?

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By Leefeller, September 14, 2011 at 6:45 am Link to this comment

TD3, well stated, which is the second time we find mutual agreement or the potential for acceptance of agreement.

Again, I do not trust the believe the validity of half of what our government tells us and I feel the other half are lies!

Skeptic me!

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By ardee, September 14, 2011 at 3:41 am Link to this comment

sub, September 12 at 8:55 pm

So, you misread, misinterpret , misunderstand yet post. Congrats on the Trifecta of Ignorance. Someone call the Guiness Book of Records, we have an entry!

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By red slider, September 13, 2011 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment
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Alan, I’m glad to hear you make mention that these new Titans on the face of the earth are “stateless” creatures; as stateless as any other terrorist species.  As such, I’m not sure it matters what America or Americans do at this point. The corporations have already flown the coop (which have long been located in swiss banks and Cayman Is. post boxes anyway).  I think it really up to the rest of the world whether there is sufficient resistance to put a leash on these beasts. And that, considering their advances, is up for doubt as well.  We can only hope….

Meanwhile, have you considered the prospect of joining up with the October2011.org coalition? From where I stand, I see no other way than to coalesce almost the entirety of progressive groups (Greens, SWPs, progressive democrats, even a few moderate republicans, indys) under a single set of core principles that can make a unified challenge to the status quo.  No single existing party or progressive alliance is going to be able to do that, and the numbers absolutely require it.  Have you considered throwing in with their effort?

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By Cliff Carson, September 13, 2011 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

Thank you Blogdog

You have presented excellent links for reviewing the case to prove the International Financial Cartel.  The two links you gave were extremely informative.

Anyone on this thread who wants to see why I keep ranting about a Global Financial Conspiracy needs to go read every word in those two links. There are an uncountable number of links available that explain the Cabal Structure in a very easy manner to follow.

And some of those American People And Companies that are noted in these two links actually provided war materials and other aid to the Nazi regime - during the war.

This group has made their gigantic fortunes and developed their formidable power by fomenting and financing wars - on both sides.

The World - under their control - is their ultimate goal.

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By Alan MacDonald, September 13, 2011 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

A decade after 9/11 the Empire of Illusion won.

Exactly ten years after the Reichstag fire (Feb 1933) the Nazi Empire had reached its downward turning point in losing the Battle of Stalingrad (Feb 1943), but after ten years of the Nazi Empire’s wars, economic looting, spying, and lying most Germans were smart enough to correctly sense that this wannabe global Nazi Empire, which had taken over their democratic Republic country, was leading to an inexorable suicidal collapse.

Exactly ten years after 9/11 the disguised global corporate/financial/militarist Empire that has taken over our former country by hiding behind the facade of its bought and owned TWO-Party modernized ‘Vichy’ sham of faux-democratic government has so far dodged its Stalingrad downfall, and continues to be successful in fooling all the people all the time, expanding its Empire with the “Pentagon’s New Map”, and will only likely collapse when its PR lie of “Globalization” is recognized for what it really is—- disguised ‘global Empire’.

Since 9/11 it is commonly said that, “everything has changed”.

Yes, “We are all rubes of Empire now”!

There remains no substantial recognition that our former country (and others like U.K. Israel et al) has been captured by a disguised global corporate/financial/militarist EMPIRE, which hides behind the facade of its TWO-Party modernized “Vichy” sham of faux-democratic government——just as the occupying Nazi Empire hid behind its far cruder single-party “Vichy” regime.

‘Globalization’ is simply the branded and polite marketing term for global EMPIRE!

This disguised global empire is the causal cancerous tumor that creates all ‘symptom problems’ like wars, economic oppression, massive inequality, environmental destruction, and all other ‘issues’ that are used to divide and distract resistance from attacking the core of the Empire ITSELF.

“Nobody does it better”——lying about the Empire——certainly not the Nazis, nor the Soviets:

Obama’s speech immediately reminded me of the old James Bond “Spy Who Loved Me” song, “Nobody Does It Better” — in that nobody does disguised global Empire better than the US and its new “Open Globalization” pitch-man.

Yes, Obama is a wonderful spokesman (better than even Ronald Reagan or Thomas Friedman) in promoting the appearance of a promising “Globalization” and looking forward to democracy for all, while glossing over the fact that the forced march to globalization by force of arms is essentially just a cover for the reality of “global Empire”.

The PR skills of the corporatist media and Obama are the only combination that can promise the advertising illusion of such ‘hope for change’ under the implied mantel of “democracy” and free market economic “Globalization”, and yet deliver the reality of deceptive, disguised, dysfunctional, and unsustainable “Global Empire” — Nobody does it better.


Who will tell Americans the truth; that 9/11 was a perfectly orchestrated event to divert the growing attention on ‘American Empire’, to engender patriotic sympathy with American victim-hood, and to thus cover-up the real 21st century post-nation-state global corporate/financial/militarist Empire which has taken over our former country by hiding behind the facade of its modernized TWO-Party ‘Vichy’ sham of faux democratic government—- similarly to the patriotic sympathy engendered by the Reichstag fire and the subsequent ploy of installing a crude single-party ‘Vichy’ government in Europe to cover-up the spread of the global strategy of the fascist/corporatist Nazi Empire.

Empire and not the American government is the real enemy of people everywhere!

Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine

Liberty & democracy
over
violent
empire

New America Peoples’ Party 2012—- our last chance “Against Empire”

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By blogdog, September 13, 2011 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

RE: http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lworldgovernment2.htm
Let me know if you read this.
His so-called source claims self-hypnosis prevents and cures cancer. (:rolleyes:)

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the “...so-called sources…” is a website at the bottom of which is
the ad to which you refer - TD rolls some questionable ads too

OK - I read it - here’s the background on Carroll Quigley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley
David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, needs no introduction -
WORLD BANK, IMF, and WTO policies are pretty well understood;
i.e. the agenda of the global network of central banks and the bankers behind them,
detailed here -  http://tinyurl.com/69yle9f

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By LT, September 13, 2011 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment
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“To Be Baptized” by James Baldwin…

He already told us.

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By Skywood Clifford, September 13, 2011 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment
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It’s great your back on Truthdig again Chris. You really make the sap rise. However, by your account you are ditching all the conspiracy theories about 9/11 (or as I prefer to call it ‘The demolition day of the twin towers’ - this is because the British put the day of the month first 11/9/2001). Was Bush and his administration completely unaware of what was going to happen? Why was NORAD pushed out for the day? Why was massive insurance on the towers agreed to a few days before, etc, etc. You obviously think that these are conpiracy theories and not worth attention. Come on!!!

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By Cliff Carson, September 13, 2011 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

truedigger3

Well said.

Truth is what it is.  The “spinners”  will try to get you and others to think that their “Spin” is the Truth.

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By Cliff Carson, September 13, 2011 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

I think you are right Inherit The Wind,

but not about the author. I do believe that you are making reference to the ad at site ( the young lady bathing- caught your eye huh?),  not the original author Greg Palast.  So here is the author (who does not advocate Hypnosis as a cure for cancer) and the same story on a couple of other better known sites.  So maybe this will help you keep your attention on the story and keep those eyes from wandering . Here is the same story on a couple of different sites.

http://www.gregpalast.com/the-globalizer-who-came-in-from-the-cold/

And here on Alternet

http://www.alternet.org/story/12652/

Now Inheret The Wind, get the young lady out of your mind and tell me if you think Stiglitz and Palast are lying (I don’t think they advocate a mental cure for cancer).  And I forgive you for your oversight or error whichever it is.

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By 1cole, September 13, 2011 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment
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The Headline of the above article should be slightly modified—to:
We are what we Formerly Loathed

I.E. We are succssfully Loathe Hardened.
The progression is: you Loathe, then you accomidate, then you join in and embrase it, then you will not be able to go without the joy of doing loate related things.

That is the part called Succeed, or Victory
To be followed by a “WE Won Parade”—stay tuned.

We just got over a celebration of 911. People on the street waving flags, cheering and honking and
all the trimmings of Natonal Pride! No Loathe-ing in sight.

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By red slider, September 13, 2011 at 11:46 am Link to this comment
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I don’t believe Chris intended to identify 9/11 as the antecedent of all subsequent events: wars, corporate looting, political oppression and other global atrocities. Only that it was a singular shock-doctrine moment which was then seized upon to put into motion and manifest other forces of military imperialism and to rationalize their implementation beyond anything that any of us would have thought possible. That it did that much, I believe, is undeniable. That Chris illuminates how 9/11 is still being employed as a shock-doctrine moment seems to be the real intent of his article, one that I find entirely factual and contributive.

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By Freak Meister, September 13, 2011 at 10:46 am Link to this comment
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Nothing new in heaven or earth:

Herman Goering, Adolf Hitler’s deputy, observed: “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”


And U.S. Marine Major General Smedley Butler observed the same thing in his 1935 book, “War is a Racket”.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 13, 2011 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Blogdog:
My most sincere apologies!

I meant to cite THIS piece of nonsense…
“Cliff Carson, September 12 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

Someone questioned the International Financial Cabal conspiracy that I mentioned.  I can’t remember who and I can’t find the comment, so here is a link to reports about the Cabal that I talk about.

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lworldgovernment2.htm

Let me know if you read this. “

His so-called source claims self-hypnosis prevents and cures cancer. (:rolleyes:)

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By peteb91, September 13, 2011 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

Well written article, thanks. We did have our chance at for a honorable response, instead we raced for the gutter and now we reap what we sow, bankrupt laying off public workers a decaying infrastructure and record unemployment. Our nation is sick and you can see it every where you look, we can’t act as we are and not expect it to come home and roost.
We have a joint chief saying 10 years of war is our revenge, revenge on who? It’s like you said, it’s always been us revenge on us.

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By truedigger3, September 13, 2011 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

I am baffled and surprised that a knowledgeable and experienced journalist like Chris Hedges attributed the wars as A REACTION to 9/11 that was amplified by hubris and very excessive nationalism that resulted in the rush to wars instead of “self reflection and trying to understand.”!
The wars were NOT A REACTION but they were PLANNED long time before 9/11 as stated in the plans for New American Century by the Neocons and 9/11 gave an excuse and helped arouse the desire to rush to war and revenge among the gullible naive population.
This is the oldest trick by rulers who want to start and justify a war, who tell the population that “we are being attacked” and our country and lives is in mortal peril.
If 9/11 did not happen, another excuses would have been found, invented or fabricate and the “mark” would have been framed anyway, for example: 1) Harboring and breeding terrorists 2) Crimes against humanity 3) Preparing Weapons of Mass Destruction and more etc….

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By blogdog, September 13, 2011 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

good to see link reposted, as copied below - critique (sic) (particularly, given its author) strongly recommends it as a serious analysis of essential aspects of 9/11 - all cited events in excerpted chapter confirmable   http://www.911truth.org/stories/TarpleyChapterIX.htm and duly footnoted in the original publication http://www.progressivepress.com/book-listing/5th-ed-911-synthetic-terror

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By Inherit The Wind, September 13 at 3:26 am Link to this comment blogdog, September 12 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment

to all writes who use the collective ‘we’ as though their forum is an ad hoc group
therapy session, personally I resent it

listen up, if you please, Mr. Hedges, if you’ve never looked into this aspect of 9/11, please take a few minutes to get up to speed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amzBk38_RWs&feature=related 

************

Your link sells a plan teaches that cancer is due to stress and politics, and can be cured and prevented by self-hypnosis.

This is a cruel fake that preys on fear and suffering.  Not what I would view as a reliable source of information.

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By REDHORSE, September 13, 2011 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

Proof of a Trade Center conspiracy would change nothing. The Wars are an acknowledged conspiracy. The “Chicago boys” wanted oil, they got it, and are still killing innocents to keep it. Psychopaths lie and obfuscate. The truth is that like the 9/11 Firemen and rescue workers we are all sick in body and Soul from proximity to the Twin Towers and its aftermath. Most here see clearly. You cannot reason with the insane. Again: the sheep can muddy the wolfs drinking water but can do him no other harm. You all know exactly what’s happening. Maudlin indignation will not save you or me. The American people are under direct fascist assault. The “super committee” is about to step to center stage. Fight or perish!!

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By RayLan, September 13, 2011 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

@DavidByron
“Yeah because the US never did anything bad before 9-11 did it Hedges?”
You need to read more carefully - Hedges isn’t looking back into a nostalgic view of an innocent America.
and I quote

“Because few cared to examine our activities in the Muslim world, the attacks became certified as incomprehensible by the state and its lap dogs, the press. Those who carried out the attacks were branded as rising out of a culture and religion that was at best primitive and probably evil.”

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By DavidByron, September 13, 2011 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

A big FAIL by Hedges.  This line at the end could have come right out of central propaganda 101.

“Osama bin Laden’s twisted vision of a world of indiscriminate violence and terror has triumphed. The attacks turned us into monsters”

Yeah because the US never did anything bad before 9-11 did it Hedges?  The US was the innocent victim of a motiveless attack, right Mr hedges?  No context, no history.  The “attackers” were mad men who just wanted to kill and blah blah blah.

Pathetic.

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By phreedom, September 13, 2011 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

Thank you Chris,

You are probably the best at expressing a rage and
sorrow that is ever so short of reaching out and
strangling someone, and then immediately committing
suicide. The enormous missed opportunity and a
greater magnitude of suffering launched instead,
well,  is almost too much for anyone to bear. No way
to make sense of it, but in a topsey-turvey way, you
see, I think our culture, can only change if a crisis
is so severe, or an event so devastating, that the
powers to be, here , are taken off guard, and the
people moved immediately in unison, right at the cusp
of such an event, to do the unthinkable, take back
the country.

I remember, those enlightened few who demonstrated
with signs reading, “not in our name”, so subtle and
far fetched in my memory now, I sometimes think it
was just something I made up, imagined?

What we are all in shock of today, sadly, even more
so than what your photo anticipates Chris , is that
we had both the events of the 9/11 attack and the
economy meltdown, yet the country remains firmly in
control of those responsible for both. Responsible in
the sense, either because of decades of antagonizing
the vulnerable of the world politically and
militarily,,,and/or by exploiting most of the worlds
natural resources,,these two egregious human
violations,, our foreign policies,  worked hand and
hand as a deadly two edged sword.

I think what is quite disconcerting, is that most
Americans that use their heads, became torn, and
understandable so,, on the one hand, appropriately
saddened by the loss of life, American citizen life,
but human life in general and more importantly,, and
on the other hand enraged that the author of the
hatred toward the U.S. were also those who caused our
economy to meltdown. Torn, because of a natural sense
of guilt, that their reaction to either event,
knowing one was related to the other, that they were
events that were two sides of the same cursed and
wretched American coin, well, that they did not seek
revenge for the attack nor compensation for the loss
to their economy, but rather they sought instead a
change to our system.

A change that has not only not come, but instead, an
obvious & brutal attempt to entrench the old and
corrupted,, the reason why history can repeat itself
in such horrible ways, and will for us I’m afraid.

My sense,, this is what Chris’s anger in word &
sorrow in picture, expresses,,, the well kept secret,
the hidden feelings, we are inclined to bury deep for
the sake of our own safety, of how obtuse the effort
was to ensure that no change came to our system.

Rhuen Phreed
231 Park Drive, #40
Boston, Ma

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By Leefeller, September 13, 2011 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

So is once again the truther and the denier! Now I have my doubts as to the validity of just about most of the tripe sponsored by our great government, for I am a card carting skeptic. 

I will doubt the turther for now because I see little substantiation of there huge platform of theory’s and speculations the thousands of them. Just as I doubt the believers of the thousands of religions out there.

It seems the fictitious imaginations of people have no bounds and it is clear people will believe in just about anything, so we see the birthers, the truters and me the denier for now. Why is this any different from any of the other conjured beliefs. We have the joining of conspectus thought of one coupled by the collective conspectus thoughts of the many, so presented before us we have the conspiracy theory’s.

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By GradyLeeHoward, September 13, 2011 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

catsteevns- Even the “Electric Company” got its “Power”
from the “Children’s Television Workshop.” A strict cap
on wealth and income would also soon solve “The Secret
Government.” Although money is only a polite fiction of
wealth etiquette, sometimes manners must improve before
everyone can eat.

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By GradyLeeHoward, September 13, 2011 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

I have other journalist friends who behave like Chris
Hedges. They say publicly that insufficient evidence
exists to make them assume 9/11 was an inside job and
that until it does they must not doubt the “majority
position.” There are many flaws in such an attitude,
but they always revert to the concept of journalistic
neutrality. I’ve had a very similar debate with Bill
Moyers and Michael Winship.

My appraisal is that they privately have doubts but
that if they said anything they would go from being
respected journalists to being like Michael Ruppert
or Webster Tarpley, and that they would be disgraced,
powerless and much poorer if they did so. I called
Moyers a hostage for not being able to examine 9/11
inconsistencies. We will see where he takes the
subject in January on Moyers and Company. My
diatribes (and similar) that Moyers allowed published
online probably helped get Bill Moyers Journal and
PBS Now cancelled.

And yet there presently appear to be cracks opening
up in the formerly air-tight official story, so much
so that DRShow and On Point (Jane Clayson, absent
Tom) have had programs insulting Truthers as mentally
ill. Labeling is a weak defense beside 46 exercises
and American money laundered by the ISI.(many other
clues) Always overseas where our media brainwashing
is weaker there have been strong doubts, and there
are other conspiracies in finance matching the
pattern and leading back to covert governance.

If I were alone with Chris I would not even ask what
he really thinks. I saw dying George Carlin caught on
cellphone camera admitting he was a Truther, and I
saw the panic in his eyes. It’s almost as hard as
gays coming out. As a 9/11 Truther I can say it has
hurt my standing and credibility with many people I
respect and love. I can’t convince the terrified.
Often their paycheck depends on denial of the
obvious. Chris gets a paycheck I guess. I’ll leave
him alone until we overturn the sadistic domination
we are suffering. It ain’t ME in these wars, though,
and it ain’t ME in the official lies. Are the
official lies in your name, Chris Hedges? MLK stepped
over that line and died soon after. Maybe you’re not prepared…

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By katsteevns, September 13, 2011 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

@ truedigger3
And as long as individuals and corporations are permitted to hold large amounts of property and wealth, things will remain as they are.

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By truedigger3, September 13, 2011 at 4:27 am Link to this comment

Many people here,  including Chris Hedges decried the lack of our national self awareness and the lack of introspection and that we are not learning from our mistakes and history.
In my humble opinion, introspection and self awareness is difficult on the personal level, for many idividuals, and is ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE on the NATIONAL level and this is not just a US problem but international human problem that afflicts all groups and all countries all over the world.
Within each country and each group there are ALWAYS individuals and subgroups who are always jockeying for more power and wealth , whether on the domestic level or the international level and that breeds armies of demagogues, rabble rousers and bullshitters who mislead the citizens into mentality of WE against THEM and at best that the OTHERS have the wrong ideas that will harm us or at worst that the OTHERS want to destroy and kill us, which sometimes is true.
So, all historical and current events are interpreted, omitted or amplified according to the motives and agendas of the tellers and not to teach or explain anything. The main objective is to bullshit , mislead , obfuscate and at best breed false feelings of self righteousness and at worst feelings of hate, fear and the desire to commit violence against the OTHERS.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 13, 2011 at 3:26 am Link to this comment

blogdog, September 12 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment

to all writes who use the collective ‘we’ as though their forum is an ad hoc group
therapy session, personally I resent it

listen up, if you please, Mr. Hedges, if you’ve never looked into this aspect of
9/11, please take a few minutes to get up to speed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amzBk38_RWs&feature=related
************

Your link sells a plan teaches that cancer is due to stress and politics, and can be cured and prevented by self-hypnosis.

This is a cruel fake that preys on fear and suffering.  Not what I would view as a reliable source of information.

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By LocalHero, September 13, 2011 at 1:53 am Link to this comment

“Nationalism was a disease I knew intimately as a war correspondent. It is anti-thought.”

Wow. How true. And to anyone who refuses to believe it, just watch 5 min. of any of the nauseating, overblown 9/11 tributes during the NFL football games Sunday. Watch as the chests swell with pride as the F-18’s scream overhead (at a cost of half a million per flyover) or as the army of robots regurgitate the National Anthem while the arrested adolescents (the color guard) march around the field playing soldier. Warmongering jingoism at its pinnacle.

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By blogdog, September 12, 2011 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment

to all writes who use the collective ‘we’ as though their forum is an ad hoc group
therapy session, personally I resent it

listen up, if you please, Mr. Hedges, if you’ve never looked into this aspect of
9/11, please take a few minutes to get up to speed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amzBk38_RWs&feature=related

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By sub, September 12, 2011 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment
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“A recent poll shows 42% of people polled believe that 9-11 was caused by the
actions of US in the Middle East.”

what a total bunch of bullshite.  a recent poll of the type of loons that populate a
site like this, maybe.  the rest of us aren’t engaged in self-immolation.  america is
not a perfect nation, but the fetish of the left to find a comparison to some of the
worst states on earth, now and historically, is a bizarre and curious fetish indeed. 
most of you idiots haven’t spent one second in a place that is actually dangerous. 
and if some of you clowns actually believe that bin laden’s acts were specifically
“in response”, i feel sorry for you.  sorry that you’re actually that confused, that
naive, that dupable.  or just that dumb.  whatever.  overwhelmingly, the nation
thinks that “men” like krugman or hedges are total a-holes.  and most of the
nation is correct.

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By Cliff Carson, September 12, 2011 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

Someone questioned the International Financial Cabal conspiracy that I mentioned.  I can’t remember who and I can’t find the comment, so here is a link to reports about the Cabal that I talk about.

http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net/Lworldgovernment2.htm

Let me know if you read this.

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By Alex, US ARMY RANGER, September 12, 2011 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment
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You are a sick SOB Paul!  If you ever run into me outside of your safe world of blogging and posting articles in cyberspace, I hope I don’t recognize you.  The fact that you are making money and trying to gain political capital off of the death and suffering of thousands of Americans is truly sick.  It is a shame that the era of technology we live in these days allows people like you to spout off with violent rhetoric without ever having to show face for the words you speak.  You will never have to come forward and defend your words.  You can sit behind the shroud of your website and say anything you want, no matter how malicious or untrue, and never be held accountable for your words.  Well, as I said in the beginning of my statement, I hope you for your sake you don’t run into someone like me.  For I will hold you accountable for your words.  For the people that you spit on daily with you disgusting words.  For my friends who I watched die, and for the thousands who died on 9/11 that you so easily use to bolster your sick and defenseless views.  In short, you make me sick, and you have no right to say the things you do.

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By BeReal, September 12, 2011 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

The War Prayer - Mark Twain/1
It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener. It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.
Sunday morning came—next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams—visions of the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender! Then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation
*God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest! Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!*
Then came the “long” prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory—
An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher’s side and stood there waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued with his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, “Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!”
The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside—which the startled minister did—and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:

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By BeReal, September 12, 2011 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment

The War Prayer
by Mark Twain Part 2
The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside—which the startled minister did—and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:
“I come from the Throne—bearing a message from Almighty God!” The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. “He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import—that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of—except he pause and think.
“God’s servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two—one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of Him Who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this—keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor’s crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.
“You have heard your servant’s prayer—the uttered part of it. I am commissioned of God to put into words the other part of it—that part which the pastor—and also you in your hearts—fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: ‘Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!’ That is sufficient. the *whole* of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory—*must* follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!
“O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle—be Thou near them! With them—in spirit—we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it—for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
(*After a pause.*) “Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits!”
It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.
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Twain apparently dictated it around 1904-05; it was rejected by his publisher, and was found after his death among his unpublished manuscripts. It was first published in 1923 in Albert Bigelow Paine’s anthology, Europe and Elsewhere.

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By Ralph Kramden, September 12, 2011 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment
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Good article Mr. Hedges, however there is a glaring flaw: 9/11/2001 did not turn us into monsters, we were already monsters. How soon we forget My Lai. I met a veteran once who told me that there were “hundreds of My Lais in Vietnam.” Guatemala, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Indonesia, the genocide against Native Americans, the training of torturers at School of the Americas. Torture. I thought I was reading about the Gestapo.
  I also wonder about our ability to focus on what was done to us and never, ever consider what we have done to others. 9/11 in particular, no mention, no thought given to what our government wrought in Chile on 9/11/1973 which cost the lives of over 30,000.
  Perhaps the Koran forbids killing women and children. The Bible doesn’t: it is chuck-full of genocide, infanticide.Who was that sociopath that was willing to slaughter his son because a voice told him to do it? Abraham? The punishment for a disobedient son: stone the kid to death. Even the “prince of peace” is full of hatred: who hates not his father and mother…; I have come to bring the sword…; invented hell. Also the Bible, 42 children slaughtered by Jehovah because they made fun of Elisha’s bald head. In any case, religious books are irrelevant. “Thou shall not kill,“never stopped a Christian.
  As to those who attack Hitchens because he is an atheist,and that is not Hedges at all, that doesn’t explain much about Hitchens. In that regard, someone mentioned that his arguments against religion were not logical. That is very funny, what can be more illogical than religion? When it comes to religion, Hitchens is 100 times more logical. There is no logic, fact or reason in religion. That makes Hitchens infinetly more logical, I almost forgot my math.
  I never knew about the suicides, although I avoided the chest-thumping news of the corporate media. That certainly adds an element of humanity to the story, rather than the Rambo side. There were heroes for sure, all those firemen and cops and individuals. All of them working-class stiffs. By the way, those super-macho men:the Segals, Chuck Norriss, our German governor, did they jump into their car and hurried forth to New York? Then the cowards and opportunists:Cheney,Bush, Rumsfeld, Guilliani. No mention of the screw-ups, most of them on account of phenomenal corruption.Brings to mind the Revolution. You know,the real one in 1789. While the ruling class conspired with the enemies of the Republic, it was the working class that defended the nation.France.Somethings never change. And now who gets attacked when the ruling class is trouble: the working class. 
  More than any other nationality, we are blind to our flaws. The British are a close second. We are so juvenile, so self-centered we call our country America.Not even the Brits call their country Europe. I guess Canada and Mexico are going to have to invent another continent to belong to. Both these countries are American, Hawaii is not. We are also the most reactionary working class in the world and the most brain-washed. We even celebrate Labor Day in September. The most USA of days, May 1, 1886, more USA than the 4th of July, is celebrated in September because the Chamber of Commerce says so. Recall, 4th of July was a property, slave-owning class, May 1st was a working class. Then we have the Hollywood syndrome, good guys, bad guys. Just think of it, all these heroes who are frauds: John Wayne, Ronald Reagan, AWOL Bush, coward Cheney, bully Rumsfeld, Silvester Stallone, Seagal, the groppen-fuehrer Swazenegger, Chuck Norris.I’ve been watching detective movies from Europe.What a difference. In the European movies sometimes the villains don’t go to jail and sometimes they are not possessed by infinite evil: even Hitler was nice to his dogs. In other words, shades of grey.
  By the way, sometimes it takes guts to commit suicide.

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By RayLan, September 12, 2011 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

@moonraven
“It stinks to high heaven of self-delusion.

Stinks to high heaven of baseless self-indulgent ad hominem. You prove nothing.

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By katsteevns, September 12, 2011 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

By Lafayette,

“Having done so, I do not believe the that conclusions of the report are erroneous or falsified.”

...that is, what actually got in there. It’s a modern day Warren Commission report. They both wreak of conservatism (authoritarianism with a human face).

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By Silence is Complicity, September 12, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Lafayette, September 12 at 2:02 pm

“The only people who loved him were the Palestinians, because each time a Palestinian died killing Israelis Hussein gave the family $25,000.”
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As you continue to spew your arrogance and ignorance like a piece of rotten carrion, you managed to show your true colors. All this time you’ve been a closet supporter of Zionist fascism; now we know who you are!

Just reading a statement like the one above, you make feel like throwing up!

Now, can you tell us where you pulled out the above statement from?! Is it one you found in the latest edition of the “Memoirs of the Wise Men of Israel?!”

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By Peter Knopfler, September 12, 2011 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

CHECK THIS OUT:WATCHING SPLIT SCREEN INTER NET. ONE
SCREEN C-SPAN 911 ceremonies NEW YORK.
2nd Screen RT TV RUSSIA TALKING QUESTIONS ABOUT 91
inside JOB!
3rd screen Press TV:IR SHOWING FAMILY JUST THEN
DRONED TO DEATH BY USA.
SIT BACK AMERICA CRYING SAME TIME KILLING AND RUSSIA
COMMENTATING.
HALF Foreign media tells of 911 false flag operations
While non-english & english Foreign Stations show 911
false flag!
AND ENGLISH ONLY STATIONS 911 ceremonies!
MEMORIAL GLASS 240 tons by Communist CHINA,
THE STEEL NEW BILDS FROM GERMANY:
AS IS THE MARTIN LUTHER KING STATUE MADE BY COMMUNIST
CHINA ALL OF 911 Memorial outsourced, COMMUNISTS MAIN
CONTRACTS!

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By GW=MCHammered, September 12, 2011 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment
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iGov

Hey, Steve Jobs.

Upload code of world government workings. We The People
will vote which we choose to live under. How Global.
How Democratic. And much less expensive than
schmoozing, corrupt politicians.

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By Cliff Carson, September 12, 2011 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment

Lafayette

You seem to be adamant in your effort to argue against the facts.  For your own reputation you need to regroup and do some serious effort to obtain much needed knowledge.  Here are a couple of places to help you begin your quest for that knowledge:

http://www.rense.com/general29/wesold.htm

This is a lengthy article so here’s an excerpt from it:

“Reports by the US Senate’s committee on banking, housing and urban affairs—which oversees American exports policy—reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Snr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.”

http://www.victoria.ac.nz/nzcpl/HRRJ/vol1/Das.pdf

This lengthy piece is a research paper done on the subject of child deaths cause by the United States sanctions.  I have provided you an excerpt:

“Human Rights Research
As I write, young children are dying in Iraq from lack of clean water, basic medical care, and food. They join the ranks of countless others under the age of five who have died from similar causes since the UNSC imposed comprehensive economic sanctions against Iraq in August 1990. Estimates of the excess number of deaths of children during these twelve years range from around 250,000 to well over 1,000,000.  A plausible estimate at the present time is that some 600,000 children under the age of five have died, with the total number of excess civilian deaths exceeding 1,000,000.  These are, however, only the most tangible aspects of the tragedy occurring in Iraq.

Some 500,000 Iraqi children suffer from acute malnutrition? additionally, 1,000,000 children are chronically malnourished.  Malaria, virtually
eradicated before the imposition of sanctions, has increased twenty-fold since 1989, and in the last few years rare forms of cancer have been showing up with alarming frequency in Iraqi hospitals.  On even the most conservative of estimates and optimistic of outlooks, there is an appalling and ongoing humanitarian tragedy in Iraq, one that shows little sign of ending soon.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war#Chemical_and_Biological_exports


The above Wikipedia link should be very informative to you.  It concerns our clandestine operations in the Mid East.

After you have educated yourself come back and let’s begin cordial discourse.  From this point forward I am through with your nonsense until you take the advice I have given you.

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By Cole..., September 12, 2011 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment
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Sadam Hussien was a monster.

But there are many monsters as heads of state and we don’t attack.
If Iraq did not have oil, we woud not have attacked and if Iraq did not have oil we would not have stayed.

A rather simpleton was our pResident and he proposed that they “Hate us for our Freedms” now that our freedoms have been erroded do they now love us? Yes? OK why do we stay? Oh yes, they have OIL.

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By JDmysticDJ, September 12, 2011 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

The attacks on the twin towers were symbolic. It wasn’t the twin towers and the Pentagon or the people within that the killers attacked; it was what those targets represented that the killers attacked.

Before the 3000 were brutally and horrifically killed, there were others who were brutally and horrifically killed and most Americans are unable to put those 3000 in proper context. The millions, who were killed, have no context, to most Americans.

9/11 was a most heinous crime and many Americans revel in their revulsion of this heinous crime, while the magnitude of equally heinous crimes has escaped their revulsion, or even their consideration.

There are killers among us, some kill out of: anger, passion, revenge, patriotism, perversion, etc. but all who kill suffer from pathology, as do those who offer rationales for killing.

Out of Joseph Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness” comes a solution, “Exterminate the brutes,” but who will exterminate the exterminators?

Only a new paradigm of thinking can diminish the killing, hoping that the old paradigm of thinking can be exterminated does not appear to be a rational expectation, but the weapons of love, reason, shame, and condemnation, as well as the lessons learned from reality can shift the paradigm. The lessons learned by an existentially harsh reality would best be avoided.

Hedges’ vision is acute, harsh, condemning, abrasive, cogent, and profoundly compassionate.

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By Lafayette, September 12, 2011 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

ks: ... since he (CH) hasn’t, like a well behaved Conservative, questioned publicly any of the glaring inconsistencies in the 911 Commission Report, we can assume that he is along for the ride with those who refuse to upset the apple cart.

There is much conjecture about the Report.

It is worth reading this article in WikiP titled, 9/11 Truth Movement 

Having done so, I do not believe the that conclusions of the report are erroneous or falsified.

PS: Hedges is a “well behaved Conservative”? Wow! What weed ave you been smoking ... ?

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By Maryalice, September 12, 2011 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU

Documentary….the Falling Man

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By Lafayette, September 12, 2011 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

mr: No other folks from the Middle East countries believe anything except that things were so much better under Saddam Hussein.

What price freedom? They never knew democracy so you expect them to learn how to run one overnight?

The total number of deaths that can be attributed both to his wars with the Kurds and Iran as well as his murder of opponents is well over 60,000.

And you think the Iraqi people believe it was better under Saddam? Now pull the other leg ...

The only people who loved him were the Palestinians, because each time a Palestinian died killing Israelis Hussein gave the family $25,000.

So, yes, money CAN by you love ... in the Middle East.

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By moonraven, September 12, 2011 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

Truthdiggetydog:  I am sure glad to see someone posting here who is LITERATE (The Red and the Black is the best novel ever written about our ambitious, corrupt, and generally morally bankrupt species—IMHO) and can do basic arithmetical operations.

A breath of fresh air, you are.

Keep it up.

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By Truthdiggetydog, September 12, 2011 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

Reading Stendhal’s Scarlet and Black yesterday I came across this passage (Chapter 14): “If it (the unexpected, ie 9/11) crops up in our ideas, people can’t find epigrams enough against it; if it crops up in our events, no baseness is too low for our fears. Whatever act of madness our fear drives us to commit, excuses are found for it. Degenerate and tedious age!” If, say, 125,000 Iraqi civilians were murdered because of our invasion, then we visited 41.6 9/11s on them, and they had nothing to do with it. Degenerate, indeed—and morally bankrupt.

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By marcyincny, September 12, 2011 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Horrid, tasteless photo.

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By katsteevns, September 12, 2011 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

@ Marcel Kincaid

No one has direct access…including Hedges. But since he hasn’t, like a well behaved Conservative, questioned publicly any of the glaring inconsistencies in the 911 Commission Report, we can assume that he is along for the ride with those who refuse to upset the apple cart. Associating himself with “conspiracy theorists” would be bad for his image…and his bottom line. We all have a price. Let’s just say that he is in enough hot water already with Big Brother.
  It would seem that calling for a new investigation would be right up his alley since he is so keen on working WITHIN the present system.

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By moonraven, September 12, 2011 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, RayLan:

I repeat, You don’t know the difference between a whimperer and a whistle-blower.  And you obviously do not care, either.

The fact that you have read several books by Hedges speaks for itself of masochistic denial of the lowest echelon.

Cut the sychophantic sanctimony.  It stinks to high heaven of self-delusion.

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By RayLan, September 12, 2011 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

@moonraven
I’ve read several of Chris’s books and nothing he has written can be classified as nostolgia. In any case it’s your claim - you back it up.

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