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Posted on Aug 3, 2010
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Former President Bill Clinton greets well-wishers as he leaves Gigi’s restaurant on Friday, the day before daughter Chelsea’s wedding, in Rhinebeck, N.Y.


Q & A - Live Chat with Robert Scheer


A live Q & A session related to this column took place on August 05, 2010 at 11:00 am PT.

We will post a link to the text transcript soon, but in the meantime, you can see the run through version here.


By Robert Scheer

Out of respect for privacy, even concerning famous people, I wasn’t going to write about the marriage of Chelsea Clinton to a Goldman Sachs alum and budding hedge-fund hustler with the resources to buy a $4 million loft so soon after graduating from Stanford. Hopefully Marc Mezvinsky won’t follow in the footsteps of his financier father, “Fast-Talkin’ Eddie,” as they called him back in Iowa, a former Democratic House member who just completed a five-year federal sentence for dozens of fraud felonies. 

Anyway, Chelsea also worked at a hedge fund, her mother dabbled in banking shenanigans in her Whitewater days and father Bill’s radical deregulation made it a lot easier for financial plunderers to stay on the right side of the law. So the Clintons and the Mezvinskys have a lot in common. I hope their children will do better, and I was going to simply wish them well until I read Tina Brown’s paean to power, “Why America Needed Chelsea’s Wedding,” in the trend-chasing Daily Beast, which she edits. 

It was then that I realized that the revival of the Clinton legacy was on in earnest. Brown, a prominent Brit import, is an expert on refurbishing tarnished royalty, as she demonstrated with her gushing tribute to the Clinton wedding as “a happy throwback to the carefree 1990s.” So carefree that no one of importance, certainly not in the Clinton White House, took serious stock of the collapse of hedge funds like Long-Term Capital Management, a harbinger of disasters to come.

In what I assume was not self-parody, Brown stated that “the Clintons are enjoying political rosy-glow syndrome. In the light of what’s happened since—two grueling wars, the implosion of debt, 14 million unemployed … Chelsea’s wedding allowed us to remember all that prosperity, those continuous Clinton surpluses.” But not, as I the party pooper must add, the Financial Services Modernization Act and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which enabled the financial bubble that caused those 14 million to be unemployed.

This all reminds me of the pass given that last attempt at American royalty, when the legacy of John Fitzgerald Kennedy came to be whitewashed so that his reckless decisions to invade Cuba and Vietnam were not to be mentioned. One can hear the “Happy Days Are Here Again” Democratic theme song as Hillary Clinton comes to be nominated after Obama has failed to solve the dire economic problems that his predecessors—Bill Clinton as well as George W. Bush—left him.

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But don’t dare tag Hillary with anything her husband brought about or even for what Brown calls the “two grueling wars” which Obama inherited and which Hillary voted for and now pushes as energetically as do the top hawks in the Pentagon. “No sticky wars then,” Brown writes, referring to the good old days of the reign of Bill. “Meanwhile, Hillary, pummeled and reviled during the campaign year of Obama worship, is now the popular member of Bam’s administration.” Hillary is never responsible for past adversity but only steeled by it, as are the newest family member and his mother: 

“It clearly is an additional bond between these families that Marc and his mother, Marjorie Margolies-Mezvinsky, know something about the Clinton world they are joining with. Marc had to endure the press onslaughts when his congressman father Ed went to jail for fraud.” His mother, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, lost her seat in the U.S. House of Representatives after voting for Clinton’s first budget, but Brown snatches victory from those defeats and personal travails: “There is character in this new family of Chelsea’s and an understanding of the harsh paybacks of public life.”

OK, so I have gone on too long about a column by one preening society writer, but it is irritating that the Clinton parents are getting off the hook while Obama, who is guilty of relying too heavily on Clintonista alums for policy direction, is somehow scorned. Without President Clinton turning the economy over to Robert Rubin, Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers, there would have been no financial meltdown. Obama’s cardinal error was bringing Summers and another Clinton acolyte, Timothy Geithner, back into power.

Apologists like Brown gloss over the fact that it was precisely Bill Clinton’s scandal that brought Bush and the Republicans to power. When Brown writes that “the Lewinsky stain, the impeachment dramas, and the Starr witch hunt of the Clinton years seems like a crazy dream,” does she seriously mean to absolve Papa Bill from having brought such disarray into our politics? Can one forget that without that stained dress, Al Gore would have won the Electoral College as well as the popular vote?

Clinton nostalgia is dangerous nonsense, and for Democrats to go down that road is to avoid serious assessment of their own party’s role in the economic debacle that haunts the nation.

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By Tony Wicher, August 29, 2010 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72,

As far as I am concerned, it is established fact that the Twin Towers and Building Seven were demolished with explosives, not a theory. Nothing else explains the observed phenomena. The science itself that shows this is not difficult, but poltics interferes with it. If you can put aside the politics and just study the science, I can recommend the following scientific studies. All three buildings were steel frame high-rises. No steel frame high-rise in history has ever collapsed from fire, even fires far stronger and longer lasting. The first study by physicist David Chandler shows that Building Seven fell symmetrically with free-fall acceleration for a distance of over two hundred feet, which is only possible if the support from all the supporting steel columns (over 50 of them) was removed simultaneously and completely. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I

The second study, by eight scientists led by Niels Harrit, professor of chemistry at the University of Copenhagen, concerns the discovery of a high-tech form of thermite, nanothermite in the dust remaining after the the event, which accounts for why the buildings collapsed as they did.

  http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Besides the science, which I believe is solid, in spite of the efforts of “debunkers” to obfuscate the issue, there is really a lot of political support among some very knowledgeable people. If you will, have a look at this site:

  http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Let me know what you think.

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By BR549, August 29, 2010 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, August 29 at 10:35 pm

There was an outcry. Just as with the passengers of the Lusitania and the
sailors in Pearl Harbor were sacrificed to get us into war, so too were the
workers at the WTC that day, but with respect to the last, the outcry had been
intentionally focused toward anyone wearing a towel on their head.

It was intentional manipulation of our emotions and now, people are just
burned out. The average person in Toad Snot Arkansas cannot for one minute
believe that they’d been lied to and that their sons had died in the middle east
for corporate profits. No, those sons had to have fought for freedom; their lives
just could not have been so callously sacrificed for oil and profits.  Remember
that warhawk Cheney was a five time draft dodger.

1. Cheney lied to get more oil

2. Rumsfeld lied about the Bird Flu because he was on the board of directors of
the Gilead Corp in Foster City CA, which held Roche’s license to produce
Tamiflu

3. Michael Chertoff lied about the need for security because he was heavily
invested in the full body scanner technology.

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By ofersince72, August 29, 2010 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

BR , that whole story they fed us is really only so
sad as the public didn’t have an immediate outcry.

  My son was in the first year of high school I believe
when this occurred.  Those kids understood the design
and mechanics that would have to be in place in order for
those buildings to come down the way they did. He was the
first truther I knew.

  But to me, the biggest problem, even bigger than
discoving the who, is the public’s acceptance and such
little dissent.

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By BR549, August 29, 2010 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, August 29 at 7:41 pm

With a background in Mech Eng and having some familiarity with fuels, I would
like to point out a few things that changed my mind toward the conspiracy
model.

As for the the fuel in the planes at the WTC, those aircraft used “Jet-A” which
has a BTU rating, depending on whose tables one uses, of about 134,000 BTU.
Home heating oil, on the other hand, has ratings between 137,000-140,000
BTU. Gasoline, for perspective, is around 125,000 BTU and Natural Gas is
around 99,000 BTU.

Now, what gets me is that we know the WTC fires were severely oxygen
starved. It was obvious and predictive modeling would only further bear this
fact out. Then we have home heating oil, which if you tossed a match in a
bucket of #2, the match would most likely go out rather than ignite the oil.

And after our home heating oil burners here in the northeast have been finely tuned to achieve an optimum air/fuel ratio, we are left wondering why our own burner doesn’t just melt the steel, the core, and sheet metal in the oil burner and the house around it. When you look inside the fire boxes, the fire brick is
only on the bottom and sides and the flames are there to deal with the cast iron and steel. Well, I hate to burst Bush’s bubble, but my burner lasted for well over 20 years and you could look into the box while it was running and nothing ever looked like Mount Kiluea.

The aircraft tanks, as I understand it, were not full; a third of the fuel that existed was claimed to have run down the elevator shaft, another third was lost in the initial flash, and it was the last third that “supposedly” brought the building down ....... and bear in mind that what the media had reported as an explosion was really just a massive, underoxygenated, low temperature burn ..... AND that the buildings’ designers had intentionally accounted for a possible collision from a Boeing 707.  Add to that the issue of the “white hot” molten metal still smoldering a month after 9/11 and one is left wondering how fuel with a lower BTU rating than had burned for years in my home, and which even at an optimum burn rate, couldn’t melt steel, could now miraculously leave this white hot smoldering pool a month later.

Construction grade steel melts at 2800F and yet kerosene can only reach 1500F under “optimum” conditions, which certainly didn’t exist at the WTC. What will easily reach white hot temperatures is thermite at 4500F to start and over 5300F for the more explosive military grade. Interestingly, extrapolations
from dust residues have indicated that at least 9,300 lbs of military grade thermite were found in the WTC debris.

Had the scene been closed off for a proper investigation, it would have been easily revealed that beams had been thermitically severed. That was why the site clean up had taken place so quickly ..... they had to get rid of the evidence. Then there is Bldg#7, where the SEC’s case against ENRON just happened to have been filed. What a coincidence. Not one piece of either aircraft ever struck #7 and yet it fell with all the precision of a controlled demolition that normally takes over two weeks to properly engineer and execute.

But I digress ........

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By ofersince72, August 29, 2010 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

Why would Noam Chomsky who has written dissident
thought since the sixties and has disected the American
Government all these years…

Vote for Barrack Obama?

Either he knew what Obama and the Democrats were going to
be, or…......

I am terribly more intellectually aware than Chomsky.
(I would hate to think it was the later)

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By ofersince72, August 29, 2010 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Tony,  you brought up an interesting thought.

For years Chomsky was one of my champions, and, I still
have some respect for him. I do now believe that you
are right that he has mis led the left, along with several
others.  I have done little research into the 911 disaster
and never have come out to say that I believe any of the
conspiracy theories circulating the web.  This does not
mean that I believe the Govt. story.
  Chomsky’s take was very disturbing,
1.  To say that it ABSOLUTLY wasn’t anything but what
  the government said it was,  contradicts everything
  that man has wrote for thirty five years.
2.  To be so stupid to say this..
  “If it was a conspiracy,  information would have
    somehow leaked”
This proves either….
Chomsky is a very nieve man and knows very little
about the intelligence community.
or
he is misleading the public…......
LETS SPEAK OF ROBERT SCHEER
look at the title of this article
THE CLINTON MOB…..Where was Robert in the ninties
Look at his last week column…......
blaming the Clinton Admin for the economic disaster
we find ourselves in…..Where was Robert in the ninties.
His new book…..same question…........................

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By Tony Wicher, August 29, 2010 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

Unfortunately, I think Sheer gets his ideas about Kennedy from Chomsky, who has misled leftists and distorted history concerning the Kennedy assassination and more recently 9/11.

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By BR549, August 29, 2010 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

Re:  Tony Wicher, August 29 at 1:24 am

Exactly. I don’t know where Sheer is getting his material from but the US corporatocracy was still pissed that Castro had outed it from Cuban soil and, with right wing fear mongers like the Dulles brothers, helped fan the flames for Eisenhower to continue despising Castro. But it was big boy General Lyman Lemnitzer, who got the axe, when Kennedy removed him as one of the Joint Chiefs and demoted him to some lesser position in Europe, I think. Lyman was the one who had been pushing for Operation Northwoods, which, among a number of assorted activities, also called for shooting down American civilian aircraft and blaming those incidents on Cuba in order to justify sending in the military. Yes, Kennedy refused to endorse Northwoods.

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By Tony Wicher, August 28, 2010 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

What does Scheer mean, “Kennedy’s decision to invade Cuba”? The way I remember it, Kennedy decided NOT to invade Cuba by not supporting the Bay of Pigs invasion, which pissed off the CIA, the anti-Castro Cubans and the Mob so much they assassinated him.

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By PatrickHenry, August 20, 2010 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

I was suprised to read where Obama wasn’t invited to the Clinton wedding, especially with Hillary his secretary of state.

Bush was invited, no suprise there.  Bubba has had his head up the old mans ass for some time now.

Some other notables:

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/19040/chelsea-clinton-wedding-guest-list/

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By garth, August 20, 2010 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

“Chelsea Clinton and Marc Mezvinsky are intelligent,
accomplished young people who have successfully weathered the storms of growing up in the public spotlight.  They have harmed no one - not even a DUI or an unplanned pregnancy on their records.  I say mazel tov to them both.”

They are members of the gangster economic mob that rules our country.

Let me give some perspective.  The Clintons are cozying up to the middle eastern emeers in the UAE to secure their foothold, or should I say stranglehold, on American working man’s wealth.

This is the great American novel of a bohunk from Hope AK and a Miss Prissy from an upper middle class family from Illinois who cadged their way to Yale Law school, he through exceptional test scores and she through a nasty personality and who knows what else. 

Their offspring and her betrothed, a Jew who suffers from Manic-Depressive disorder and as revealed in this thread earlier a divorced and convicted criminal.

I am sure the Sheiks and freaks will welcome them into their arms in the plush vacation land of Qatar.

With your money, according to Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone. The amorphous gang of Wall Street took a page from the mafia.  We are supporting the new Gangster Royalty, The Clintons, the Bushes are just the front.


Like I found in Vietnam, it ain’t at all as it seems.

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By Fran Yariv, August 18, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment
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You should have listened to your instincts before writing the column on the
Clinton wedding.  Since when are people responsible for the sins of their parents?
As far as I know, Chelsea Clinton and Marc Mezvinsky are intelligent,
accomplished young people  who have successfully weathered the storms of
growing up in the public spotlight.  They have harmed no one - not even a DUI or
an unplanned pregnancy on their records.  I say mazel tov to them both.

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By johncp, August 7, 2010 at 2:14 am Link to this comment

“Democrat diehards…”  What a laugh.  The so called democratic party will not likely get a buck or a vote from me, henceforth.  But a majority of the country, those, in other words, that see Clinton in the light of his positive as well as his negative actions, continue to this day, to see him as a vastly better president than Obama could ever hope to be, though Clinton certainly is guilty of the inevitable weaknesses that all presidents fall prey to, especially of doing as he’s told by the rich and powerful.  But the contempt that you pretend is deserved by Clinton, is so preposterously exaggerated, nearly everyone now sees it for what it is, a jealous and bitter rage that always seems to accompany all illegitimate attacks on leaders, whose standing with the majority of his fellow citizens continues to grow, in spite of it.  Believe it or not, nearly all Clinton defenders acknowledge his faults.  It’s just that, though you never tire of obsessing over his flaws, we’re tired of hearing your shamelessly unbalanced and predictible rants.  Your efforts to bring him down are as transparently deceitful as they are hopelessly ineffective.

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By ofersince72, August 6, 2010 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

CARLIN:  “I’m not American,,  I think”

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By exo, August 6, 2010 at 10:53 am Link to this comment
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“Well first of all, I am not ready to give up on Obama.”—Robert Scheer

Attacking Bill Clinton is helpful in cases of avoidance and denial isn’t it?
The above comment lacks of the courage conviction not too mention
intellectual consistency.

Arguably there is not much of a difference between Obama and Clinton, both
worship at the alter of corporate interests, yet according to your impassioned
piece, it is Clinton alone who must be erased, if not purged from national
memory. The very language of punishment, suppression, removal, and
cauterizing of Clinton, is all rather unpleasant and scarily matter of factly
authoritarian. How easily this language drips from Robert Scheer’s pen. I don’t
know where this screed leads. How does this directly help the progressive
cause?  I would not trust anyone left or right prone to such spiteful, almost
ritualized vengefulness. I also think it is simply mean spirited to use someone’s
daughter as a foil to make a political point. The ends justifies the means is
rarely a good model to follow. It always brings out the worst in people, it feeds
extremist tendencies, especially, dare I say mob rule, as most of the
vituperative comments here seem to reveal.

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By BR549, August 6, 2010 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

johncp, August 6 at 8:07 am

“In spite of everything you bunch of shits are saying against him, Clinton is the
best president we’ve had since FDR.”

You know, it is truly amazing how much some people can get sucked into propaganda. You obviously have NO idea about what NAFTA will do to undermining state sovereignty or what that even has to to with your own. The fact that Clinton only “signed” it only means that he was one in a long line of puppet presidents who were selling out America’s sovereignty to favor global interests. If you need a teaser here to get your learning curve up to speed, start thing about I.G. FARBEN’s influence on the Nazi party and then understand that, at the Nuremberg Trials, it was learned that many of the orders were given by I.G. FARBEN, and NOT the Nazis. That is where we are headed, due in part to your favorite politician. He is in it just as deep as both Bush presidents.

You obviously have no idea of his involvement in the drug trades at the government level and you must have certainly dismissed in your mind his throwing the wire-tapping issue on every American citizen’s table. (It would be Bush the Idiot who would then rub every citizen’s face in it.)

Clinton was indeed one more in the concatenation of traitorous politicians who sold out their country and its citizens to the global banking interests. And now these kids are going to be hedge fund managers? God, man, do you have any idea what supercharged our whole financial meltdown? I think not.

OH, and I love this one; that press interview Clinton was doing when a reporter asked him about the large number of detention centers that were being built (with our tax dollars, of course). I’d never seen Clinton so angry. Now, why would a question like that get him into such a state if everything was above board? It isn’t until you put Clinton actions into perspective that you see that he could have just as easily been a Republican, since their actions have proven them to be all one party anyway. In another interview, reporter Sarah McClendon asked about the concentration camps and watch how skillfully Slick Willie dodged that bullet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPsHPKY0y8&feature=related

When you take that last piece and add it to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPsHPKY0y8&feature=related ... and then realize that we have some 14+ different countries’ military participating in door to door training exercises in this country, sooner or later, one starts to smell a rat.

Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_O2V2TKkfw with the Marines in Swansboro NC (watch the whole video, .... and remember, much of this also took place on Clinton’s watch.) And for all those who think this is some kind of “play” exercise, please note the part where a sherrif’s deputy shot and killed two marines who had tried disarm him. Then think about what the Posse Comitatus Act represented in America.

You, my friend, are in for one hell of a surprise!

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By samosamo, August 6, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

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Garth,

Know what you mean. I have not hooked my t.v. to any cable,
dish or antenna since I moved where I live in May 2000. So I use
my computer for all my communications (when you look at my
land line as my phone, no cell for me as too expensive and
unreliable.

Msm t.v. just got too unbearable with the man-woman casters
going back and forth with each other over some news stories
that back in the 50s and 60s would not even be news or just a
end-of-news-curiosity. Have missed PBS but what I want there
is usually available online.

No need in explaining the msm programming and advertizing, it
was all just infuriating and insulting.

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By garth, August 6, 2010 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

Samosamo,

I agree and have stopped watching the PBS and network news altogether.

I stopped when they introduced that female ABC news analyst to oppose Kevin Phillips in his expose of the Bush Dynasty and what it really means to American Democracy.

John Meacham and his heady, Episcopalian approach in “Need to Know” is simply, misleading and presumptuous at best.

They want to say, in effect, that this is Americana, and, what a wonderful country this is.

If they can’t take a little honest criticism, then I say, ‘Fuck ‘em.’

I remember the uniion meetings with the GE management in the 60s.  Foremen and workers were not afraid to stand up and voice their opinions on how the shop was bing run.

Now, that looks like it’s all in the past.  Instead of working an 8-hour day and being conscientious, the Capitalists want workers to jobs to own them. 

A study was done in the 60s on GE retirees and it found that most retirees lived an average of 2 1/2 years after retirement. 

Workers noted that the working conditions: the noise the filth and the pounding of heavy machinery took a dramatic toll. 

Management said that workers did not plan for a life outside of work and suggested that they take up bowling.

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By ofersince72, August 6, 2010 at 4:32 am Link to this comment

I like the way Democrat die hards like to
make everyone believe that FDR was all that and then some.
The only thing they have to cling to.  Just like
republicans like to cling Ikey.

  FDR shit canned Henry Wallace who was much more
responsible for the progressive legislation than FDR
ever was…........................................
Besides the cities were getting ready to burn down!!!!!

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By ofersince72, August 6, 2010 at 4:27 am Link to this comment

Screw Bill Clinton where the SUN DON’T SHINE

Just another remark from an American that don’t give
a crap about anyone else in the world as long as they
get theirs.

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By johncp, August 6, 2010 at 4:07 am Link to this comment

In spite of everything you bunch of shits are saying against him, Clinton is the best president we’ve had since FDR.  The mistakes he made are more or less inevitable in any president, but the Clinton haters make of his mistakes some kind of unique political malevolence.  This can only come from jealousy.  I understand that Clinton, in a recent poll, was given a 12 point popularity lead over Obama.  Oh how this must torture his opposition.  The breathtaking attention given to his daughter’s wedding is added proof that, behind the enmity and bitterness felt against him, Bill Clinton remains top dog.

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By rollzone, August 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

hello. the problem from a legacy of families intermingling in such small circles, is the inevitable consequence of the ogre Chelsea, or the criminal-in-training Mar’c’; one day too soon being given political power. i have no fault in someone being hired to put a positive spin in print on the event, and doing the best she could with the garbage she had to work with, but this public exhibitionism was only snobbery from what has already been absorbed off the public dole, and not any precursor of Hillary and Bill going seperate ways in the same house again. Hillary does not have a chance. Oboymamma is getting everything done on the agenda, and only this unforseen unprecedented internet uprising has given any challenge to the prime objective. if only they could control Al-the-Droid’s uncomfortably feverish internet. progressive reformers, spend a little tax on me.

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By samosamo, August 5, 2010 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

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By garth, August 5 at 12:48 pm

Bill Moyer’s Journal isn’t on anymore but is still available
online. What is one of 2 news shows(conservative I believe) is:

PBS has offered very little explanation of what will replace
these shows, saying only that they will announce changes
sometime this month. But one line-up change many PBS
viewers will see this February is the addition of Ideas in
Action—a show produced by the George W. Bush Institute,
part of the new presidential library in Dallas.

I don’t think PBS is helping the american public with this tripe.

More info here: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3993

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By garth, August 5, 2010 at 8:48 am Link to this comment

Samosamo,

Is Bill Moyers still on? 

‘Yeah, Bacevich’s ‘The Limits to Power’ is very good reading and listening to him on Bill Moyer’s ...’

Is he on the radio?  I used to watch his show on PBS and his swan song was unforgettable.

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By samosamo, August 5, 2010 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

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By garth, August 5 at 12:04 pm

Yeah, Bacevich’s ‘The Limits to Power’ is very good reading and
listening to him on Bill Moyer’s and I thing c-span books is most
enlightening.

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By garth, August 5, 2010 at 8:04 am Link to this comment

Samosamo, thanks for the connection.  I re-read your comment of August 4 at 4:46 pm that you referred to below.

Garth,
check my comment of ‘August 4 at 4:46 pm’.
Up to their elbows in blood.
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The problem I have is that so much information on this cabal is speculation, albeit, probably dead on, but it’s from the outside looking in.

Andrew Bacevich, Professor at Boston University and ex-Army Colonel, said in an interview on DemcracyNow! the other day that after the 20th century most countries in the world gave up on the strategy of ‘war to gain access to resources, war to settle disputes, or war to make a point’ except for the U.S. and Israel.

We went hog-wild with the idea of World domination while Israel started advertising ‘existential threats.’  This started about the same time Samuel Huntington published a book that was tantamount to predicting a War of the Worlds, entitled, “The Clash of Civilizations.”  Before he died, he disavowed the treatise of the book.  I wonder who put him up to writing it?  He was from Yale.

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By bookmark dofollow, August 4 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

‘First of all, Ed Mezvinsky is bipolar, and it came out in his trial that his frauds took place during acute manic spells. His wife didn’t know about any of it, and divorced him after she found out. So to imply that this is some kind of wedding of Mafia dynasties is a smear worthy of Fox News.’

Second, Bill Clinton is the first to admit he has regrets. He also said that the finance bill was dependent on strict oversight—which of course didn’t happen during the Bush era. Well, there’s not a whole lot you can do about a successor who won’t enforce the law.

He’s also taken responsibility for the trade agreements that left Haiti such a mess. He’s shown a consistent ability to learn from his own mistakes.

Bill Clinton isn’t perfect. Neither is he the devil personified.
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Thanks.  I appreciate your news. 

Ed’s a bi-polar?  Well, is that like saying the Devvil made him do it.

Zionist and robber-baron Capitalist are so down when things don’t go their way.  (They imply that it’s worth our sense of harmony to keep fat and happy.)

The Isreali-Zionist mob is only happy when they are fighting off some existential threat, lately that entails killing Palestinians, Turks and Lebanese.

They consider the Palestinans as the counterpart of some U.S. white, bigoted idea of American Africans as the, ‘Mud people’.


News to the Isrealis and the American Capitalist mob, nobody’s fooled.


Thanks to archivesDave, August 5 at 3:22 am for highlighting TrueDigger3’s comment.  It’s great when names are referenced for future look-up.


TrueDigger3:
You certainly got that one right!  But just keep this
in mind: Geithner, Bernanke, Summers, Rubin, Brzezinski, et al are also puppets to the Shadow Elites.

Keep Tavistock in your sights and read up on Manly Hall, Pike, Hegel and Blavatsky if u haven’t done so lately.

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By Old Man Turtle, August 5, 2010 at 7:56 am Link to this comment
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“Mob”?  Isn’t that what the Aussies call a bunch of sheep?  Or maybe this is Mr. Scheer’s oblique way of admitting, finally, that his wonderful “civilized” virtual-world runs entirely on gangster rules.  The ‘basic rule,’ of course, is fear, with occasional out-breaks (as presently) of out-right reigns of terror.

“Money,” though, remains its god.

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By Prateek Sanjay, August 5, 2010 at 7:09 am Link to this comment
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This article suffers from confirmation bias and narrative fallacy. Narrative fallacy is assuming direct cause-and-effect relation between two isolated historical events, even though any historical event has innumerable causes which affect it to various degrees. Confirmation bias is any attempt to look at the past with the hindsight of the present.

First sign of narrative fallacy is in “But not, as I the party pooper must add, the Financial Services Modernization Act and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which enabled the financial bubble that caused those 14 million to be unemployed.” There were innumerable causes to the financial crisis, but let’s remember the simple fact that there was no derivatives crisis and derivatives traders performed well enough through it. Any economic situation involves millions of people doing millions of things, so you can never generalise so quickly about who did what. What we do know is that there were low interest rates at which the Federal Reserve was lending to banks who were in turn lending to real estate developers and house buyers, thus creating an inflationary bubble - this was the causa proxima. Even so, it’s one of the causes, and derivatives don’t even enter to it. Hundreds of contradictory but plausible causes can be attributed to any event.

Then the confirmation bias of Long Term Capital Management. Long Term Capital Management was not run by serious financial practitioners; it was run by academics and professors whose theories only worked on paper. It’s an isolated case of the problems of academia, and Clinton’s legislations have nothing to do with it. But to give the example of a failure of a derivatives trader, while relating it to a current situation where there has been no derivatives crisis, I see no serious historical analysis, but only an attempt to make any plausible connections between the past and the present.

There are no wrong intentions when narrative fallacy or confirmation biases are made, and they can be made even by intelligent people, but it’s most interesting that the famous failure of Long Term Capital Management itself was one of narrative fallacy and confirmation bias.

Mr. Scheer’s point on hero worship and glossing over the dirty deeds is fully taken however, which are themselves a case of narrative fallacy and confirmation bias. I am however discouraged to give further praise to this intelligent journalist, because of the class warfare angle he takes by calling Mezinsky a “hustler” and talking about the Clinton’s life and work in the financial sector. Class warfare is rotten politics, rotten economics, and rotten humanity; and it has least to do with making any serious point. Clinton’s corruptions and stringpullings are a genuinely wrong thing, but to condemn someone just for having worked in lucrative ventures is to step away from the main point and to go towards mere name-calling.

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By BR549, August 5 at 10:46 am

Don’t believe you have anything to be apologetic about
especially with elite who according to kkkrove several years back
declared that: ‘I don’t want my son to have to be picking
tomatoes’.

Garth,
check my comment of ‘August 4 at 4:46 pm’.
Up to their elbows in blood.

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By BR549, August 5, 2010 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

Amike,

No, I do get your point, and it is an admirable one; I just don’t happen to agree
with it all. Nothing personal.

If Marc and Chelsea were both doing environmental research or architecture or
perhaps internal medicine, I’d be more inclined to agree with you, but they’ve
BOTH chosen (or were led to chose) “hedge funds”.

So, by my way of thinking, they have a lot to prove to the American public
before they can wash away the stench of their parents history and expect any
respect deserving of “normal” people who actually contribute something to
society instead of parasitizing it.

Sorry, but that’s how I feel.

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By garth, August 5, 2010 at 6:45 am Link to this comment

Martin Amis in his review of “It Takes a Village”, by Hillary Clinton, in the Sunday Times, March 1996 says,

  “It has been repeatedly suggested that she had an affair with her financial conspirator, Vincent Foster, who died, mysteriously, in 1993.  At this stage, we don’t want to know whether Hillary slept with Vincent Foster.  We want to know how she killed him.”


(Was it with the candlestick in the vestibule?)

Then he quotes the book itself.  Did you know that:

(1) A University of Chicago study showed that by the age of two, children whose mothers had talked to them frequently since infancy had bigger vocabularies than children from the same socio-economic backgrounds whose mothers had been less talkative.

(2) The 1990 Census showed that young people without college degrees earn significantly less on average than those with degrees.

(3) Brisk walking, hiking and bicycling are all good exercise and are great ways to spend time together.

(4) In addition to being read to, children love to be told stories.

She could’ve added that she holds these truths to be self-evident.

It might take a village to rear a child, but from latest accounts it takes between $3 and $5 million to marry one off.

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By amike, August 5, 2010 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

BR I’m sorry you don’t get my point.  I can’t make it much clearer.  I believe it is corrupt to attack kids or require kids to defend their parents or to demonstrate that they’re “free thinkers”—regardless of who the kids are.  You wouldn’t demand this of Chelsea Jones.  You have no right to demand it of Chelsea Clinton.

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By BR549, August 5, 2010 at 4:33 am Link to this comment

Amike,

This family has chosen to be in politics and the spotlight. They would like nothing
more than to have everyone tone down their rhetoric, stuff all their feelings, and
“do the right thing”, while the parents continue to screw everyone else as they
have been for decades.

So far, I haven’t heard one word from these kids that they could even dare step
out of line and be free thinkers, so until such a miracle happens, what’s your
point?

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By amike, August 5, 2010 at 3:48 am Link to this comment

How about not doing this out of pure and simple human decency?  This really disgusts me, and I think you’re better than this.  Chelsea Clinton did not choose her parents. Neither did her new husband.  Attacking the the parents through the children “Hopefully Marc Mezvinsky won’t follow in the footsteps of his financier father, “Fast-Talkin’ Eddie,” as they called him back in Iowa, a former Democratic House member who just completed a five-year federal sentence for dozens of fraud felonies.” is indecency, pure and simple.  If you have children, and I have no idea whether you do, nor any interest in finding out, I promise never to attack you through them, for which you, as well as they (if they exist),should be grateful.

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By ofersince72, August 5, 2010 at 12:02 am Link to this comment

A week or so ago ,  here on Truth Dig I told of the
Clinton, Iran-Contra connection, and insinuated the
reasons for Hilary’s backing of the recent Honduras
coup.

  thought that I might tell my source.
A 1992 or 1993 edition of Nation Mag,  Beat the Devil
column by Alexander Cockburn.  I used like him a lot
when he wrote for The Nation
  At the same time, Hitchens also had a bi-monthly column
in The Nation Magazine.  By the mid-ninties, Cockburn
and Hitchens were trading barbs every two weeks, not
good for the Mag.  I was never a big fan of Hitchens
column even when he was hiding out there as a progressive
liberal. Got where I just skipped over him.
When Vander Hueval, or whatever her name is took over as
editor,  I saw that The Nation was trying to become more
mainstream in order to get a wider readership so I dropped my subscription.

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By archivesDave, August 4, 2010 at 11:22 pm Link to this comment

TrueDigger3:
You certainly got that one right!  But just keep this
in mind: Geithner, Bernanke, Summers, Rubin, Brzezinski, et al are also puppets to the Shadow Elites.
Keep Tavistock in your sights and read up on Manly Hall, Pike, Hegel and Blavatsky if u haven’t done so lately.

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By Eric, August 4, 2010 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment
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A lot of nutty conspiracy theorising going on up in here guys.


Artsy, weve always bween and empire. We slaughtered off the natives and conquered half of mexico.

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By BR549, August 4, 2010 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare, August 4 at 8:49 pm

“Don’t forget under the Clinton administration the economy was booming with a
federal budget surplus.  That all disappeared under the Bush regime’s
mismanagement of just about everything.”

It all happened too fast. Way too fast. Clinton’s surplus was another paper shuffle,
sorry to say. While I was in no way supporting Bush in 2000, it was obvious he’d
been handed a house of cards. I gave up on the Republican Party long ago. I gave
up on the Democrats when all of Obama’s promises turned to shit.

Clinton is in this just as deep as any of the Republicans.

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By LocalHero, August 4, 2010 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment

Why should we be surprised at these incestuous relationships by the Powers-That-Be? The Clinton Mob, of course, learned most of what it knows from the Bush Nazi/Crime Family while they were running drugs into the US using CIA planes.

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By Redwein, August 4, 2010 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

@PatrickHenry who asked:

“Is the Clinton mob now officially Jewish?”

NO! But he’s been an official Zionist for quite a while already.

And though I’m sure he’s been to a few seders, he’ll never find the Afikoman.

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By PatrickHenry, August 4, 2010 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

Is the Clinton mob now officially Jewish?

Can Bubba buy a condo outside of Tel Aviv?  Somewhere he can flee to avoid future prosecution.

Too bad Chelsea is now a shiksa to many of her husband Mezvinsky’s family and friends but she does get points for being famous.

Good for negociations in the hedge fund business.

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By Blackspeare, August 4, 2010 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment

Don’t forget under the Clinton administration the economy was booming with a federal budget surplus.  That all disappeared under the Bush regime’s mismanagement of just about everything.

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By HivanH, August 4, 2010 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

The only reason to aspire to the presidency is to become a Bilderberger. Obama will join the Clintons as one soon enough (OMG! A black?), while the rest of us wonder how to afford any burger at all.

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By bookmark dofollow, August 4, 2010 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

First of all, Ed Mezvinsky is bipolar, and it came out in his trial that his frauds took place during acute manic spells. His wife didn’t know about any of it, and divorced him after she found out. So to imply that this is some kind of wedding of Mafia dynasties is a smear worthy of Fox News.

Second, Bill Clinton is the first to admit he has regrets. He also said that the finance bill was dependent on strict oversight—which of course didn’t happen during the Bush era. Well, there’s not a whole lot you can do about a successor who won’t enforce the law.

He’s also taken responsibility for the trade agreements that left Haiti such a mess. He’s shown a consistent ability to learn from his own mistakes.

Bill Clinton isn’t perfect. Neither is he the devil personified.

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By Redwein, August 4, 2010 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

Artsy! How do we get there? Your rage is both appropriate and debilitating. If you knew me, you’d know how funny that is coming from me. How do we channel it into meaningful action? What movement are you a part of?

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By Artsy, August 4, 2010 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment

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Re: Redwein “push them all out” means all the political incumbants, regardless of party. If there are no honest replacements available, then we really do NOT need them at all do we? The current 2 party system is a FAILURE on all levels and does absolutely NOTHING for us and everything to steal our wealth and undermine our liberty.

I believe a complete dismantling of the current system is necessary to stop the fiasco. Politicians should be replaced with soldiers who have fought for LIES, everyday hard-working Americans (without blue blood in the veins). Say NO to more corrupt LAWYERS who take money from lobbyists and hide the truth from US. PERIOD.

BILDERBERG GROUP LINKS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants

http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants_2010.html

Our current leaders do not protect us (never have really), they merely help control us for our owners. (See Bilderberg info. They obviously cannot be trusted with our treasury and have consistently ignored the wishes of the citizens of this country. The taz laws for example are designed to steal our money and redistribute it to the wealthy and the corporations. Tax law will be changed only when it benefits THEM, not us. The current bankruptcy laws were rewritten well in advance of the planned crash so that the average person could never recover. The powers that be don’t want us to recover and this was required to do the dirty deed well in advance of THE NEW WORLD ORDER takeover.

War, terror and trumped up financial disasters are designed to to force us to comply with ridiculous budgets and to accept out and out robbery. Pork barrel spending, illegal immigrants, fraudulent elections, corrupt media, criminal politicians, the list goes on and on and on. The EPA, FDA, fraudulent pandemics, corrupt financial system, the prison system, the school system, the medical system are all FAILURES.

I loved my country. Now, I detest what it has become.

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By Redwein, August 4, 2010 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

@Artsy…..I agree completely with your tone and your assessment but I have to ask, quoting you, “Push them ALL out” to be replaced by whom? Is what ails us not imposed by a system which pre-determines a range of outcomes regardless of who gets elected? Sure, we’re only as good as our leaders. But on another level we’re only as good as the system which, according to some of my friends, is generally called Capitalism.

Who is the Bilderburg Group?

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By Artsy, August 4, 2010 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

The stained dress was made from NAFTA, illegal immigration and fat cat lobbies. Not rayon or cotton. It should have been elastic and velcro since the story stretched around the world for years and is still alive and sticking.

The Clintons are ruthless conspirators just like the 99% of the Senate and Congress. The current and former administration is also GUILTY. They are all white collar criminals who work for the Bilderburg Group. They are not OUR chosen leaders (Bilderburg selected them), they are never honest, and they will always do what they are told to do by the BANKSTERS, not the citizens.

Bottom like: They walk free and we suffer. Push them ALL out before we are all enslaved by the criminal cartel they really work for.

It amazes me that anyone believes in fair elections. That is such a lie. We never had a choice except committed by those in charge that don’t even try to stop it.

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By Redwein, August 4, 2010 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

I meant Chelsea’s husband in my previous post.

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By G.Anderson, August 4, 2010 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment

President Clinton’s election as president, convieniently marks the point in history when the Democratic party died.

Drained of blood, and energy, it contiues to march forward, focusing on creating new classes of victims, to sooth it’s liberal guilt, creating programs that only perpetuate, the vileness of Republican Work House America, instead of over turning it.

The Clinton Wedding, was little more than an orgy of self congratulation, of con artists, that have fooled the rubes, made off with the money, and avoided prosecution, one way or another.

The resultant act of conspicuous consumption and narcissism, a testimony to irrational exuberance and the end of American politics as a solution, but rather the highlighting of politics as the number one problem.

“Clinton nostalgia is dangerous nonsense, and for Democrats to go down that road is to avoid serious assessment of their own party’s role in the economic debacle that haunts the nation”

But what else can they do? For most of us it’s too late for them to turn back now.

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By Redwein, August 4, 2010 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

Just want to add, I had no idea of the pedigree of Hillary’s husband. Unbelievable. Well, not really. Anyway, nowhere in all the lightweight media coverage I saw was there any mention that Marc’s parents were bona fide crooks. Thanks for the info. Oh, I just heard Marc’s and Chelsea’s presents included something old, something new, something gold and something stolen.

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By Redwein, August 4, 2010 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

I agree with the critique of the Clintons and the broader critique of the Democrats, but the inconsistencies abound. First, Robert, you can’t blame Clinton for the fact that the Republicans used his infidelity, a non-issue for anyone left of center, to max political advantage. Second, you can’t merely blame Clinton for Al Gore’s defeat; there were one or two (or fifty) issues, some of us may recall, involving serious, unprecedented corruption and ultimately the Supreme Court jumping into the fray to cut off a meaningful Florida recount. And third, if the Democrats are so awful, a point with which I agree completely, then so what if Gore would have won? Would we be better off now?

We really don’t know where we’d be right now if that had happened; maybe looking back on an inconvenient presidency rather than “An Inconvenient Truth,” the impact of which has been zero in terms of policy.

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By ejreed, August 4, 2010 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

The Wedding of the decade. 
Let’s face it, the question on most everyone’s lips about the Clinton Rhinebeck Wedding is what happens when you need to use a toilet. The answer is the portable latrines which actually come equipped with porcelain toilets that flush, stereo music and hot running water.  Click here for a peek inside. According to anonymous news sources, the three drive in potties driven in for the event cost a whopping $15,000.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/26/chelsea-clinton-wedding-fancy-porta-potties-bill-clinton/

Not bad, however the above Potties rented for Chelsea’s Nuptials are actually not the top of the line.  For pure potty luxury click here.
http://thestir.cafemom.com/home_garden/107217/clinton_wedding_potties_are_outhouses

Being serious for just a second, here is a bit of history on Astor Courts where the event took place.
Who was the lucky original owner?
That would be John Jacob Astor IV, the great-grandson of John Jacob Astor, one of the wealthiest Americans in history with an estimated net worth of $110.1 billion in 2006 dollars, according to Forbes. Astor IV was a businessman and real estate investor who divorced his first wife, Ava, in 1909 and remarried an 18-year-old, Madeleine, two years later when he was 47. Madeleine got pregnant while the couple was traveling, so they hopped on board the Titanic to make the journey back to the United States. Madeleine and her maid survived the sinking, but Astor did not. The Ferncliff estate went to Astor’s oldest son, Vincent.
http://www.aolnews.com/article/astor-courts-9-key-facts-about-chelseas-rhinebeck-n-y-weddin/19555920

And if you haven’t had enough here’s what The Daily show had to say on the Media coverage of the event.
Stewart mocked the media for speculating about every car or delivery truck to come in or out of Astor Court Estate, concluding that the wedding had the “most amount of media gaining the least amount of information.” Specifically he used FOX News correspondent Courtney Friel as an example, who spent nearly 10 hours on the street in Rhinebeck grasping at any wedding information that wandered her way, including a Joe Pesci sighting and rumors of “Oprah’s dog” being in attendance.
http://www.newslook.com/videos/236210-wedding-of-the-decade-of-the-century-of?autoplay=true

If you haven’t had enough as yet, here are the Daily Show correspondent live in Rhinebeck.
http://www.newslook.com/videos/236211-the-daily-show-stumbles-on-the-clinton-wedding

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By samosamo, August 4, 2010 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

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So what mob is marrying into what mob. The izraeli mafia is well
established, not so much the clinton mafia. So is it a union to
exclusive access to the clintons, who have high high hopes of
hill billy hillary becoming president, for the izraeli mafia or will
the clinton mafia use who and what they can for their agendas
from the izraeli mafia. Either way both are up to their elbows in
blood.

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By mindful, August 4, 2010 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

We certainly have little reason to ponder why the average American no longer has a political hero or voice.

The rich now command the corporations and the government!

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By MeHere, August 4, 2010 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

In case there’s any doubt as to the role the mother of the bride played in regard
to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq:

H. Clinton strongly supported the 2001 military action in Afghanistan.
Obviously, she continues to support it.

And on the Iraq war:

Huffington Post 1/13/08:

“This morning on Meet the Press, Hillary Clinton defended her 2002 vote for the
Iraq war resolution, saying that she “thought it was a vote to put inspectors
back in” so Saddam Hussein could not go unchecked. She insisted that she and
others were “told by the White House personally” that this was the purpose of
the resolution, and cited President Bush’s assurances to defend her position.

Moderator Tim Russert pointed out that the title of the resolution was the
“Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002.”
Clinton responded saying, “We can have this Jesuitical argument about what
exactly was meant. But when Chuck Hagel, who helped to draft the resolution
said, ‘It was not a vote for war,’ What I was told directly by the White House in
response to my question, ‘If you are given this authority, will you put the
inspectors in and permit them to finish their job,’ I was told that’s exactly what
we intended to do”

Well…..she is a very busy woman who doesn’t always have a chance to figure
out whether she is voting for a war or something else.  Later on, she figured
she might as well join Obama in whatever wars he was fighting.

These are the kind of people making life and death decisions in our name.

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By felicity, August 4, 2010 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

When Harry Truman left the WH he was offered a number
of very high-paying jobs in the private sector and
turned them all down saying that it was the ‘office’
they wanted, not the man, and the ‘office’ wasn’t for
sale and besides it didn’t belong to him, it belonged
to the American people.

He died leaving one asset, his house in Missouri,
which was actually his dead mother-in-law’s house
which she’d willed to him when she died. 

Truman was a Democrat.  Clinton is not a Democrat.

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By prole, August 4, 2010 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

“…the Clinton wedding as ‘a happy throwback to the carefree 1990s.’ So carefree that no one of importance, certainly not in the Clinton White House, took serious stock of”…the infamous crimes of one of the worst mass murderers in history! From the dark day they took office with the indispensable support of AIPAC and the zionist lobby, Billary – along with their many other sins - carried out one of the worst atrocities in all history. A catastrophic sanctions regime against the people of Iraq that UNICEF and other U N bodies and officials reported at the time, added to the horrific toll of Amerikan carnage in that ravaged country, a death toll estimated at close to 1 million through mass starvations and disease; with up to half of these preventable casualties, children. A UNICEF report in ’99 REPORTED that child deaths had actually doubled in the decade.
  The International Law Association, in February 2000 concluded that “The blockade/sanctions regime is by its nature inherently illegal under the Geneva Protocol, for three reasons. First, it targets civilians in breach of Articles 48 and 51(2). Secondly, it constitutes indiscriminate attack, in breach of Article 51(3). Thirdly and most flagrantly, it employs starvation as a method of warfare, in breach of Article 54.”
  Denis Halliday, co-ordinator of humanitarian relief to Iraq then, and Assistant Secretary-General of the U N, resigned in protest in ‘98, after 34 years with the UN, explained his decision frankly: “I am resigning as… because the policy of economic sanctions is totally bankrupt. We are in the process of destroying an entire society. It is as simple and terrifying as that ... Five thousand children are dying every month ... I don’t want to administer a programme that results in figures like these.”
    If “the Clintons are enjoying political rosy-glow syndrome. In the light of what’s happened since”…Iraq certainly isn’t. It’s a toss-up as to who has willfully murdered more innocent Iraqis, Billary or Bush. Whether “sticky wars” or gooey sanctions are the worst way to die. Oh, yeah, “There is character in this new family of Chelsea’s and an understanding of the harsh paybacks of public life” alright…the character of a Hitler or a Stalin. The “harsh paybacks” of public life are pretty anodyne compared to the harsh death and suffering of the Clinton sanctions. One can only wish that Chelsea’s little brats will suffer the same way that those poor Iraqi children did. “When Brown writes that ‘the Lewinsky stain, the impeachment dramas, and the Starr witch hunt of the Clinton years seems like a crazy dream,’ does she seriously mean to absolve Papa Bill from having brought such”…genocidal crimes into our politics? “Clinton nostalgia is dangerous nonsense, and for Democrats to go down that road is to avoid serious assessment of their own party’s role in”…the most unspeakable crimes against humanity!

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By HivanH, August 4, 2010 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

Aw, c’mon, gang. Sheer must be laughing. This whole conversation (if that is what it is called)is so far away from the orginal subject matter that we all sound like a bunch of republicans, arguing about whether or not child health care recipients should wear suspenders on the diapers on Tuesdays or not.

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By BR549, August 4, 2010 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

surfnow, August 4 at 1:33 pm

Had you bothered to look into it, it was Kennedy who in fact started the COG program, all previous false starts of the Truman and Eisenhower Administrations aside. And as of 1962, with as much foresight as JFK MIGHT have had, he never saw the subsequent train wreck coming, and I find it odd that he would have been so cognizant of the corruption in the Federal Reserve and the incessant drive for the military industrial complex (MIC) to find some way to invade Cuba (Operation Northwoods, for example), that he couldn’t see the disaster that he was signing into law with COG.

As I said in my previous post, his adoption of COG could have been unwitting, but don’t be such an ass as to assume I no nothing of the history around this. I was probably in the service when you were still in diapers, and testifying in Washington while you were out playing on your surfboard.

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By mrfreeze, August 4, 2010 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

BR549 - You’re projecting (suffering from a sort of “critics” tourette syndrome yourself)some sort of credentials on me that I neither want or deserve.

I was merely pointing out how much vitriol and hatred exists regarding the Clintons. I find it fascinating that the daughter’s marriage triggered such an outpouring of nastiness, hatred, bile, you name it. I’m not passing judgement on the Clintons but there sure are a HUGE number of people who are.

Come one people, vent some more, I’m loving it!

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By tropicgirl, August 4, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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Clintons see themselves quite like the Sopranos see themselves. But the rest of us
just see the Sopranos.

A drunken joke of a Secretary of State who is so pathetic that she has to lie
constantly about her “achievements”. A very sick, sick, heart patient who has
broken so many hearts himself that it has taken an evil, but understandable and
perhaps deserved toll on him. An ugly, privileged young woman, vapid and wasted
looking, and her “no lips” husband, descendant of the worst type of criminal this
country has ever experienced in modern times. Nice.

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By Frank, August 4, 2010 at 10:10 am Link to this comment
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Go get a life Sheer.  I had respected your writing until now. You have become a “sensationalist” writer now peddling smart sounding trash about people in the public eye. How about about about the skeletons in your own closet, which would probably tell us why you take the time to make big buck writing gossip garbage. This style of writing makes me ashamed of media writers.  Like your mother, hopefully, told you. If you can’t say anything nice about someone don’t say anything at all.

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By tropicgirl, August 4, 2010 at 10:06 am Link to this comment
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Clintons see themselves quite like the Sopranos see themselves. But the rest of us
just see the Sopranos.

A drunken joke of a Secretary of State who is so pathetic that she has to lie
constantly about her “achievements”. A very sick, sick, heart patient who has
broken so many hearts himself that it has taken an evil, but understandable and
perhaps deserved toll on him. An ugly, privileged young woman, vapid and wasted
looking, and her “no lips” husband, descendant of the worst type of criminal this
country has ever experienced in modern times. Nice.

Definitely Washington is Hollywood for uglies.

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By surfnow, August 4, 2010 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

You had me until your comments about JFK. Kennedy inherited Eisenhower’s Cuban invasion plans and only very reluctantly agreed to follow through- a decision he regretted and never would have repeated. He also inherited Amerika’s Vietnam policy which had begun as far back as Truman. He by the way intended to pull out of Vietnam- which is one of the reasons he was killed. The military industrial complex would not tolerate his plans to end Vietnam and the Cold War.Your lack of historical knowledge is astounding. I do agree about Clinton however, he was one of the sleaziest phonies to have pillaged the modern presidency.

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By BR549, August 4, 2010 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Re:  Che J, August 4 at 12:44 pm

To quote your own words, “Youre kidding right?”

While JFK may have started this whole COG mess back in 1962, unwittingly or
not, this was the one vehicle the bankers and globalists had been waiting to
hijack so that they could all hop on board as it ran over and crushed the
average American citizen beneath its wheels.

If you think for one second that the Clintons were not then (and still aren’t) an
integral part in the succession and transfer of power to the wealthy, you are
sadly mistaken. Clinton was just as much a part of the NAFTA sellout as Bush.
Just as Bush41 had tested the waters for NAFTA for Clinton to then sign,
Clinton then tested the waters with illegal wiretapping for Bush43 to sign.
Clinton renegotiates the Paraquayan/US extradition treaty to specifically
exclude crimes of a military or political nature and then Bush slides right in and
buys up a 99,000 acre parcel, which just so happened to be located near a US
Air Base. Gee, I wonder whose tax dollars paid for that?

Please don’t be so naive that you haven’t been able to see the succession of
Punch and Judy Shows that have taken place over the last decades. The Clintons
are so intricately involved, they are just one patch on a massive quilt of
corruption and murder.

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By Che J, August 4, 2010 at 8:44 am Link to this comment

Youre kidding right?  I am so tired of the ‘Clinton’s’ being vilified I’m about to stop
watching Democracy Now or ever reading Truthdig.  Obama was hired and elected
by total fraud.  He was so obviously backed by organized crime, which is the real
name for most of our government, I do not know how people can bury their heads
in the sand and avoid this.  And you’re still beating up on the best thing that’s
happened in the country in decades - Hillary?  And Bill for that matter.  The
‘Clinton Mob?’  How about the real mob, led by Obama and the Bushes and the
no-name psychopaths who really run this country - the crooks, murderers and
cheats who’ve taken over media, and promoted stooges like Ronald Reagan for
president so he would give them a ‘wavier’ that Robert Kennedy wouldn’t give, to
combine all of media and entertainment under one ‘Universal’ umbrella.  Keep
your mind on the real mob, real organized crime.  Get your head out of the
‘Clinton’s’ business and start making some real effort to expose criminals.

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By Caro, August 4, 2010 at 8:22 am Link to this comment

Hillary did NOT “vote for war”.

Just because you don’t like the Clintons, you don’t
have to lie about her.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

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By BR549, August 4, 2010 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Mr. Freeze,
Ahh, denial is such an effective protector of one’s ignorance. Between you and self
professed history expert, Mitchum22, you guys really have a good handle on
things.

By the way, Mitch, I admired Kennedy very much, especially his attempt to break
free of the old family stigma, but it was his signing of those Executive Orders that
ruined my opinion of him and helped set the stage for the pre-fascist state we’re
heading toward.

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By garth, August 4, 2010 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

Only a story about the Clintons would draw out such professional escibidors.

I suspect that the Clintons consider themselves Icarus, upward bound.  They are going to go against history. 

I wonder if after nightfall, the Clintons and the Obama’s return to their native manikin state?

The pictures and the minutiae that were revealed to our drooling press actually tell a lot.

Would you want to marry someone who looks and acts like Chelsea?  Even with a three day growth on his face and his rabbi in attendance, Mr. Her would do well to keep a low profile.

Hillary’s got a lot of sway:  She wants 7000 Special Forces to guard the State Department slobs in Iraq when there are at most 4500 Special Forces guarding embassies throughout the world.

That’s power.

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By ron hansing, August 4, 2010 at 8:00 am Link to this comment
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I think the article is demeaning… the sins of the father/mother ARE NOT passed down to the son or daughter. Cut some slack.

This is unfair…

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By mrfreeze, August 4, 2010 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

The commentary on this thread has literally made me laugh out-loud. It’s a literal “stream-of-consciousness” hate-fest on the Clintons. Lot’s of folks on this thread (and the author) seem to have a wonderful case of Tourette Syndrome.

Please, continue with ugliness. Let it out. Purge yourselves!!!!! Make me laugh until I cry!

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By RdV, August 4, 2010 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

The Clintons would never look so good if Obama didn’t appear so incompetent.
  Now the push is to can Biden, claiming his lifelong dream was to be sec of state anyway, and make Hillary VP to set her up to run again. Chris Matthews concluded this would make Obama’s legacy as the “transitional” presidency between Clintons.

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By MeHere, August 4, 2010 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Right on, Hammond Eggs.

Would you want your children to marry these people?

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By kalpal, August 4, 2010 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

Hammondeggs seems to have had his brains scrambled but that’s ok. It is the fate of sterile eggs to be scrammbled since they are unproductive.

We all know what Clinton did? Did he do anything truly horrific like start 2 wars? Did he saddle this country with massive deficits like the MBA president whose degree was bought not earned?

Bill Clinton is obviously evil. All Deborcratic presidents are evil since they are too stupid or insensetive to be Republican thieves.

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By HivanH, August 4, 2010 at 7:27 am Link to this comment

Thanks for this clarification and much-needed antidote to Brown’s palaver. It saved me a lot of keyboard time and lowered my blood pressure.

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By Devon Noll, August 4, 2010 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
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Thank you, Mr. Scheer, for reminding us that while these two people seem like a fairytale couple, that a closer look reveals that they are all too well suited to each other. “Clinton Mob” is a very apt description.

The mother and father of the bride are corrupt and dangerous as ever, and are currently working very hard at undermining this presidency in which they have placed their cronies. (And, yes, they are pulling the strings - Obama made a deal with these two to keep the party together, and now is stuck seeing his presidency gutted by these criminal vultures!)Especially the mother of the bride, who seems to think that it is her role to determine foreign policy along the lines she advocates, not President Obama, and who thinks that she can dictate how the DOJ moves against laws she does not approve of for legal action.  (Obama should have canned her butt when she first started pulling this kind of thing over Afghanistan, right along with Gates and Petraeus!)

The father of the groom is a convicted felon charged with fraud - how fitting, he and Bill must swap stories over coffee in private about the fraud they both committed.  The mother of the groom seems little better than any of the rest, and may be only marginally less corrupt. 

As for the groom - he is just a greedy little creep, and I suspect this marriage may be as much about power and protection, as about love.  The same could be said of the bride, whose campaign appearances for her mother smacked a great deal of a political baptism for her future and that of her husband.

And would someone please tell the media - Bill Clinton is NOT THE CURRENT PRESIDENT, and while you would address him personally as Mr. President, when writing about him the correct description is FORMER PRESIDENT CLINTON!  I must have read about five article this past weekend where he was referred to as “the president”.  HE IS NOT THE ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTRY AT THIS TIME - even if he is treating this nation like he is and the current president like nothing more than a house slave! They lost their bid for a third term, and should not be involved in policy making anymore.  The DNC is now headed by President Obama, and they should be gone!  This is why we are so messed up and the message that Obama offered has been buried along with his Presidency - THE CLINTONS!

It is time to push these people to the curb, and until the Democratic Party does so, we will never see change and our Congressional party will never show any backbone!  I do not find it odd that the members of Congress who show a backbone are ones who got most of their campaign funds from people - not the DCCC or the DNC or corporations!  Even Obama did not get DNC money for the election until after he made his deal with Clinton - perhaps he would be well advised to remember that AND TAKE CHARGE OF HIS OWN PRESIDENCY!

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By mitchum22, August 4, 2010 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

The only JFK “whitewash” stale “leftists” such as Scheer should be concerned with is the continuing lies - in the face of a mountain of evidence - people like Scheer himself tells about the man.

To compare John F. Kennedy to an establishment-sucking pimp such as Bill Clinton is just more “leftist” wishin’ and hopin’ that the players are all the same, so let’s just focus on structure and systems. While JFK rocked the steel industry, the oil industry, Wall Street, the Federal Reserve Bank, the weapons procurement business—Bill Clinton sucked his master Bob Rubin’s pimple dick. While the Arkansas hustler ended the welfare state as we knew it for decades, Kennedy strengthened it and decided—after two years of hesitations(hesitations which did not prevent him from federalizing the University of Alabama/University of Mississippi confrontations)—to lead the black revolution instead of fighting it.

The invasion of Cuba? It was Kennedy who let the Bay of Pigs lunacy die an appropriate death, in the face of his entire government pressing him for air cover or outright invasion. It was Kennedy himself(along with a push from Stevenson) who refused all force during the Missile Crisis of ‘62. (If Nixon had been elected in ‘60, there would be no island of Cuba today. Nor a human race.)

A dialogue:

KENNEDY: I don’t want the United States involved in this.

ADMIRAL ARLEIGH BURKE: Hell, Mr. President, we are involved. Can we send in a few Navy jets?

KENNEDY: No, because they could be identified as United States planes.

BURKE: We can paint out their numbers.

KENNEDY: No.

BURKE: Can we get something in there? Anything?

KENNEDY: No.

BURKE: If you let me have two destroyers, we’ll give gunfire support and we can hold the beachhead with two ships forever.

KENNEDY: No.

BURKE: One destroyer, Mr. President?

KENNEDY: No.

Get it Scheer—NO.

And invading Vietnam? Kennedy, again, was the only major figure in his admninistation who resisted three years of pressure to Americanize the war and introduce throusands of ground troops. This canard from Scheer is so stale and discredited one wonders what this guy has been reading these past 10 years.

For those truly interested and with open minds:

Howard Jones “Death of a Gneration”
Gareth Porter “Perils of Dominance”
Gordon Goldstein “Lessons in Disaster”
David Kaiser “American Tragedy”
Frederik Logevall “Choosing War”
John Newman “JFK and Vietnam”
Lawrence Freedman “Kennedy’s Wars”

And the rest:

Kennedy refused United States troop involvement in Laos, a country in the exact same pre-revolutionary state as was Vietnam. In this case, Kennedy — who was pushed by his whole government to launch a troop involvement — instead helped set-up a coalition government including the leftist Pathet Lao. A coalition government which stood throughout the 1960s. No loss of US blood.

Berlin Wall goes up. Kennedy is advised to finally draw a line in the sand, to the point where US generals in Germany concoct a confrontation with the Soviets. Kennedy orders US forces pulled back. No confrontation. No loss of blood. Wall stands for 30 years.

Indonesia. Kennedy sets up back channel to Sukarno, who is faced with a leftist threat similar to what was happening in Laos & South Vietnam. Kennedy and Sukarno begin plans to include the PKI in the Indonesian government. Then comes Dallas. 18 months later, Sukarno is overthrown and over one-million “leftists” are massacred.

Vietnam. Incredibly, in what is surely the most valuable and astonishing revelation in Sy Hersh’s otherwise scummy book, Kennedy sets up back-channel to North Vietnamese(!) government, with the knowledge of the Ngo brothers. No way this did not leak. Within months, the Ngos and Jack Kennedy are dead.

http://ejkred.blogspot.com/2010/06/warmth-of-sun.html

To not use force when all the force in the world is on your side — that is the mark of the true hero.

If only Barack Obama had such guts. . .

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By kalpal, August 4, 2010 at 7:17 am Link to this comment

Surely the author is not telling us that political dogs of all breeds share the same flea population?

What an original thought?

I would never have realized that our two parties are just sides of the same coin that is not worth as much today as it was yesterday. Nor that the bills we are presented with can never be paid with that worthless coin.

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By garth, August 4, 2010 at 7:07 am Link to this comment

One strange contradiction.

The naysayers about 9/11 being a conspiracy argue that it would have to involve a large number of conspirators and they would never be able to remain silent.

The woman who owned the home used for guest would not reveal anything.  The editor of the local newspaper couldn’t bupkes from the ones involved in the wedding.

The obvious conclusion, and after seeing the numbers bandied about in the Financial Meltdown, is that there’s enough cash to take care of everyone.  TO make it worth their while.

They learned form the controversy that followed the Kennedy Assasination when so many who might know something turned up dead.  Or the Bush family’s self-protection ploy against any really bad publicity, suicide.  Under Bush, it became a verb, as in Hunter Thompson who saw George W. in the bathtub at of Thompson’s drug orgies, suicided himself.

So, one should keep an open eye and an ear to the track, get in on the ground floor and don’t make noise.  They’ll take good care of you.

Either that, or you be suicided.

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By Jim Yell, August 4, 2010 at 7:01 am Link to this comment
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Must have struck a nerve with this article, judging by the many comments. When Clinton ran for President for the first time I realized then that I would be voting for the best Republican Candidate that was available and so with disappointment I voted for him as “the lesser of two evils”.

The Republican vendetta focused on his sloppy sexual habits was an unforgivable waste of tax money and invasion of his privacy. If they had have been concerned with the country they would have used the energy to bring down NAFTA, but of course that was a Republican sweet heart deal.

By the second election I had had enough of Clinton’s inability to just admit he is a sexual pig and get on with governing the country and so I voted for a third party candidate in sure knowledge that I was throwing away my vote as it wouldn’t even be noticed. But, I did.

Now Clinton’s daughter has married a Bernie Madoff want a be’s son and I have to ask, why when people steal 100s of millions they are left with millions, even after jail? Why are all these people running around with taxpayer money for having destroyed the economy and yet if someone tunnels into a bank vault and steals a few million, much less than what has happened in banking and investment, the government will chase the tunnelers for years and decades and forever and lock them up if they can, but these white shirt gangsters—-you get it?

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By balkas, August 4, 2010 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

Perhaps saying that US inherits own aggressions might make more sense than that obama ineherits the last two wars [aggressions] but both utterances appear untrue.

It would be better to say [no collumnist wld dare, tho]that all US aggressions are in accord with the constitution.

Thus, all higher echelons in US appear innocent in all US aggressions, while a few soldiers may be punished for petty crimes; i.e., petty, in comparison to the echelons’! tnx

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By peterjkraus, August 4, 2010 at 6:41 am Link to this comment

You keep right on pooping the party, Scheer! It is
often, as in this case, sorely needed.

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By truedigger3, August 4, 2010 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

Robert Scheer wrote:
“Obama’s cardinal error was bringing Summers and another Clinton acolyte, Timothy Geithner, back into power.”
___________________________________________________

Mr. Scheer,

You got that backward. It was Rubin, Summers and Geithner and their movers and shakers from the super rich elites who brought Obama to power.
Obama is nothing but a front man with a toothpaste smile, excellent oratory and bullshitting skill second to none.

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By Mike Strong, August 4, 2010 at 6:24 am Link to this comment
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$4-million condo, $2-million gov-mint security
$6-million / 14-unemployed = 43-cents per notjob

Add in that they are employed at hedge funds each - that is the one that got me previous to the wedding but the condo and security amounts really take the (Marie Antoinette) cake.

I really wanted to support the kid. She seemed like a decent sort, but now she just seems blind. Is she really so oblivious? It didn’t seem offensive originally but now it just seems outrageous.

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By dirty_boots, August 4, 2010 at 6:20 am Link to this comment

So this fellow Marc is an up-and-comer at Goldman, whose father drew a prison
bid of five years, for fraud, no less, is that right? Ok, so how long as young Marc
been employed at Lloyd Blankfein’s bank, and wouldn’t a felon-father just maybe
be cause to not offer Marc a job there, certainly not one so front line as an actual
investment banker? I’d think GS or any bank might be cautious about this, and
does this say anything about ethical standards at GS (yeah, I know, as if), or am I
wrong here?

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By tginmn, August 4, 2010 at 6:18 am Link to this comment

Why does the American taxpayer have to pay for Clinton’s protection when he made $62 million per year giving speeches?

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By PatrickHenry, August 4, 2010 at 6:04 am Link to this comment

Hedge fund manager, now theres a job title which sends up flares. 

Considering what we as a nation have been put through at the hands of these financial planners who enrich themselves with other peoples money, it should have been a shot gun wedding.

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By Dorothy Reik, August 4, 2010 at 5:56 am Link to this comment

To see these two people who could do so much good decide to spend their lives in the pursuit of great wealth through the manipulation of money which produces nothing but more wealth for the already too rich is sickening to say the least.  I am grateful to Robert Scheer for saying publicly what many of us must be thinking.

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By 3rd party voter, August 4, 2010 at 5:46 am Link to this comment

Mr. Sheer does a great job reminding us of the Clintons disastrous economic policies.

Everyone should remember he was a PNACer too. That’s right, no one was paying attention at the time but his 78 day bombing of Kosovo was a PNAC plan. And like the FBI said (the UN Too) there was no genocide in Kosovo. Our own investigators said that, you can look it up. Kosovo was a warmup for the Big Game: The entire mideast. Oh and what’s that Camp Bondsteel all about anyway? Oh yeah, we never really leave…

These links prove what I’m saying:

http://newamericancentury.org/balkans.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel

Oh yeah-
PS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ray_Rector

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By diman, August 4, 2010 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

Holy shit, I thought you people knew better, than to be interested in this. Ofer I’m glad you are back.

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By Ray Duray, August 4, 2010 at 5:39 am Link to this comment

Bravo Robert Scheer!

This is the best article I’ve read so far on this
wedding.

Readers should be aware that the U.S. taxpayer was
forced to pay $2 Million for celebrity security
details for this affair. We’re growing an
irresponsible parasitic aristocracy right before our
very eyes.

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By freelyb, August 4, 2010 at 5:38 am Link to this comment
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Thanks for this. Such clarity is like group therapy for the masses. America’s abuse by the oligarchy, and how it perpetuates itself, needs to be looked upon for what it is. Brown’s article, meanwhile, is evidence of the collective denial that allows a corrupt system to thrive. Keep it coming, Robert!

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By omygodnotagain, August 4, 2010 at 5:27 am Link to this comment

“Can one forget that without that stained dress, Al Gore would have won the Electoral College as well as the popular vote?”

Had Gore won he would have been knocked off, and Joe Liebermann, the Dark Lord of the Sith would have become President, and the USA would be in World War 3, with half the world a nuclear pyre, to satisfy Zionist dreams of power and payback.
History will show that the WASP establishment saved this country from lunatics within. Iraq was the olive branch for thwarting their evil plans.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 4, 2010 at 5:00 am Link to this comment

This is probably the shittiest piece of phony journalism since Rush Limbaugh called 13-year old Chelsea Clinton the family dog.

“Royal Wedding”?  Hardly.  But it is the wedding of a well-known daughter of a former President.

Can’t you just wish the couple well, Scheer?

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By william, August 4, 2010 at 5:00 am Link to this comment
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seems a tad hypocritical to bash Clinton on the one hand and run ads for Fred
Thompson trying to raise money to extend the Bush tax cuts…wr

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By Mark E. Smith, August 4, 2010 at 4:51 am Link to this comment

Good grief, ofersince72! You want candidates? You
think if you put a pure and saintly apple into a
barrel full of rotten apples, everything will change?

It isn’t the candidates, it’s the system. It is an
evil system of the rich, by the rich, and for the
rich. If you’d stop voting for, delegating your
authority to, legitimizing, and granting your consent
of the governed to rich people, they wouldn’t have
any power over us. Their power is derived from voters
who think rich people will save them. Rich people are
the enemy—they didn’t get rich by being decent,
honest, hard-working people.

The next time the corporations, the wealthy elites,
and the political parties spend billions of dollars
getting out the vote, just stay home. It doesn’t
matter what or who is on the ballot, they cannot and
will not help you—all they do is take from you and
give to their cronies. Boycott the bastards. When a
corporation spends a fortune advertising the latest
toxic soft drink or cell phone, do you rush right out
to buy it? Some of us understand that when the rich
spend that much money pushing something, it’s crap.
If it wasn’t crap, it would sell itself.

The powers that be spend a fortune getting out the
vote because our system is so worthless that there’s
no other way they can get even the most gullible
fools to consent to corporate rule.

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By FiftyGigs, August 4, 2010 at 4:49 am Link to this comment

Nice comment macladac.

I like Scheer, and he’s usually enlightening in his comments. This one, however, smacks a bit of journalist journalizing about journalism, cherry picking facts to support a presupposition that the glass is truly half full.

Scheer makes points that have merit in a very narrow scope of deterministic reality. Yet it is also truly arguable that if Thomas Jefferson had been a loyal English subject, there would have been no banking failure either.

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By John Churchilly, August 4, 2010 at 4:44 am Link to this comment
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Folks,
First I consider that Clinton is responsible for the current financial endless crises. He was behind it all..Read this:
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Shattering the Glass-Steagall Act is Origins of the Financial Crisis
According to Wikipedia, many economists “have criticized the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act as contributing to the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis. The repeal enabled commercial lenders such as Citigroup, the largest U.S. bank by assets, to underwrite and trade instruments such as mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations and establish so-called structured investment vehicles, or SIVs, that bought those securities
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_iraqi/message/5957
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When he was president he did nothing to control the paper money economy. He knew well they the FR is printing papers that made his era prosperous….Why!!! Listen to him in this:
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Clinton’s televised interview with George Stephanopoulos
China, Japan and Saudi Arabia are among the biggest dollar stakeholders, and they have seen their assets fall continuously against the euro and the yen
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_iraqi/message/851
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By BR549, August 4, 2010 at 4:43 am Link to this comment

A friend sent me a joke the other day. It read as follows:

“With the wedding rapidly approaching and wanting to show her concern as a
good parent, Hilary asked: “Chelsea, have you ever had sex with Marc?”
Chelsea responded, “Not according to dad!”

Is it possible for these two kids to grow the conscience that their parents failed
to evolve? While Chelsea is still young, “perhaps” she hasn’t been corrupted
enough by her parents’ sociopathic disconnection from society so that she
might even be able to undo the crimes of her parents. Would that it be so.

If not, and she winds up doing yet one more Bush41/Bush43 screw America in
the ass number, I fear that after the revolution, she will wind up, along with her
parents, on a set of WANTED posters.

Let us hope she knows how to say NO!

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