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Posted on Oct 5, 2010
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Activists gather at the Lincoln Memorial to participate in the “One Nation Working Together” rally to promote job creation, diversity and tolerance.

By Chris Hedges

We can hold One Nation marches every week. It will not make any difference until we revolt against the formal structures of power.

The liberal preoccupation with positive forms of propaganda ignores the root of our problem. The tea party and hate mongers on Fox such as Glenn Beck, however repugnant, are the manifestation of the crisis, not its cause. The forces assaulting the remnants of American democracy will not be cowed or discredited with rallies, such as the one in Washington on Saturday. We will blunt these rising anti-democratic forces only when we organize outside conventional systems of power. It means dismantling the permanent war economy and the corporate state. It means an end to foreclosures and bank repossessions. It means a functional health care system for all Americans. It means taking care of our poor and unemployed. And it means a system of government that is freed from corporate interests.

Mass support for anti-democratic movements and public acceptance of open violations of human rights are not caused, in the end, by the skillful dissemination of misinformation or brainwashing. They are caused by the breakdown of a society and the death of a liberal class that once made reform and representative government possible. The timidity of our liberal class was on public display during the march in Washington. Speakers may have called for jobs, but none would call on citizens to abandon the rotting hull of the Democratic Party and our moribund political system or put Wall Street speculators in prison. The speakers at the rally proposed working within the current electoral system, although most Americans are aware that it has been gamed by corporate interests. This is hardly a call, especially given the failures of the Obama administration, that will fire up the unemployed and underemployed. 

“We need jobs,” the Rev. Al Sharpton said at the march. “We’ve bailed out the banks. We bailed out the insurance companies. Now it’s time to bail out the American people.”

But Sharpton and the other speakers, too close to the power elite in the Democratic Party, did not call for rebellion. There was no war cry against Wall Street and the purveyors of death in the defense and health industry. There was no acknowledgement that unfettered capitalism and globalization are killing our ecosystem and creating a worldwide system of neo-feudalism. There was no acceptance that the corporate state must be dismantled if we are to save ourselves. Any effective resistance must begin with a condemnation of our political elite and liberal institutions, including the press, the universities, labor, the arts, religious institutions and the Democratic Party, for selling us out. But the speakers on the mall in Washington would not go there. And I suspect, for this reason, the Americans who are hurting most found nothing they said of interest.

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All totalitarian movements, even those that are openly criminal, succeed because they have widespread mass support. They are the expression of a yearning that sweeps through a nation that has been convulsed by economic dislocation, a loss of hope and flagrant political corruption. And in these times of lament and deprivation the absurdities, crimes and excesses of reactionary forces do not matter. It wasn’t hard to find out what Slobodan Milosevic was doing in Bosnia. It wasn’t hard in Nazi Germany to hear about the widespread massacres of Jews in Poland. It is not a secret to most Americans that Muslim detainees, held for years without charges, are tortured in black sites around the world. The murder of tens of thousands of civilians by our forces in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan is tacitly acknowledged by the public as the price of war. The massive human suffering in the open-air prison that is Gaza is not a mystery. We know what happens to the millions of undocumented workers who live as stateless citizens among us and have become a kind of modern day slave labor force.

The rising proto-fascist movement in America is caused by a hatred and alienation so profound that the crimes of the state, along with the buffoonish antics of those who defend and champion these crimes, do not matter. We will not discredit the right-wing with facts, a demand for a respect of law or rational discussion. Propaganda or counter messages of tolerance are not the issue. The issue is societal collapse. This issue is a corporate state that has carried out a coup d’etat. The issue is the rupture of all mechanisms within the political process to protect citizens from accelerating impoverishment, internal control and corporate abuse. Those who refuse to acknowledge this bleak reality cannot offer solutions.

The right-wing propagandists have not created the problem. They have tapped into the moral void that has left tens of millions of Americans yearning for a profound and radical change. And if torture, war, racist attacks on immigrants, gays and Muslims, along with increased repression against internal dissidents, is the price for moral and economic renewal, many Americans are ready to sign on. If those who lead this rising proto-fascist movement insist on a Christian nation, teach creationism and believe in the physical existence of Satan, many Americans will sign on for this too. Hatred, when mobilized, is a very effective political force. And hatred, including the hatred for a liberal class that abandoned the working class, is what we face.


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By Jeff Prager, October 6, 2010 at 2:31 am Link to this comment
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This is too easy. At 50 I closed my bank accounts, sold my business, refuse to pay my credit cards, refuse to work or attend school and refuse to pay my mortgage. I’m now 56 and live in a nice apartment, have no debts (that I’m paying), no job, no bank accounts and no credit cards. Stop participating in the fraud. We’re all wage slaves on a human resource plantation called the USA and we’re being farmed like cows.

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By christian96, October 6, 2010 at 12:53 am Link to this comment

“There will be no change until we revolt” says Chris
Hedges.  Revolt?  How?  President Obama said before
the election he would elimate income tax on Social
Security for people making less than $50,000 annually.  That includes me.  So I voted for him.
Did he keep his promise? Absolutely NOT!  When I
filed my income tax return for 2008 I did not pay
any taxes on my meager $300 dollars a month Social
Security check.  That was my small way of revolting.
Two weeks ago I received a letter from the Internal
Revenue Service informing me I owed hundreds of dollars, including a penalty, for not declaring my
Social Security income.  Now what do I do?  I pay
it or continue receiving a penalty.  So much for my
revolt. I am finished voting.  Poliiticans are all
liars and deceivers and it has been that way since
so called civilization arrived on earth.  I live in
Florida.  There is a guy named Scott running
for Gov. of Florida. In a commerical on tv this
Scott fellow made the statement, “Politicans are our problem.”  I thought, “How ignorant is this guy?
Doesn’t he realize that if elected Governor HE WILL BE A POLITICAN.”  I said previously that politicans are liars and deceivers.  I forgot to mention that some of them are just plain IGNORANT!

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By LocalHero, October 6, 2010 at 12:38 am Link to this comment

Voting is a sure sign to the Powers-That-Be that you have no idea what to do, who you are or the power you possess. As long as they have you even considering using the ballot box, they have you right where they want you.

This evil system requires your participation and YOUR ATTENTION. Withdraw them and it will collapse. In fact, the wheels are already in motion and the collapse is inevitable. What we are witnessing is the capitalist/fascist corporatocracy in its final death rattle - trying anything at its disposal to hang on a little bit longer.

A tipping point will be attained when approximately 1% of the world population does exactly as described above. They (the PTB) know this and they are scared as hell.

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By jdelassus, October 6, 2010 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

I think there are at least a couple of things that could be done in the immediate future to bend things more to our liking.  Engage those on the right to educate and inform in a non-condescending manner.  There seems to be many that are unknowingly voting against their own self interest.  Most here are savvy about politics.  I believe there are many more who are not.  One has to be careful in discussing issues with right wing fanatics.  If you put down others you are not going to get anywhere.  The goal is to undue the Republican right wing strategy of appealing to the angry, mostly white, mostly male, low-information voter.  This shouldn’t be too difficult because the Republicans in reality offer them nothing.

Rather than advocating socialism I would advocate a mixed economy.  One like we had before Ronald Reagan.  Although it may be wise not to mention Reagan since he is still a hero to many of these folks.

Two things I would like to see happen that would facilitate all other things is a shorter work week and a guaranteed annual income.  Not really outside the scope of American politics in the past although now seem like Communistic proposals.  That just proves how effective the Republican brain washing of the public has been

And last, I would lay off Obama.  Yes, he’s not FDR as many would have liked including myself but he is a very shrewd politician and understands the environment in which the country as a whole exists.  He’s recently changed some economic advisors.  Maybe we’ll see some changes in policy.

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, October 6, 2010 at 12:02 am Link to this comment

Just one comment: Hedges is a reporter.  That means he reports what he sees.  He’s not trained to be a solver.  That’s up to us.  Why are we standing around waiting for him to give us direction?  We all know what is needed.  The power of the many always will destroy the power of the few.  That’s why the rich are working so hard to turn America into a police state.  They know that we, the people, have the true power here if we want to use it.  The French aristocracy found that out the hard way as did the British.

So, what do we do?  Several have already stated one way.  Create a viable 3rd party or 4th party ... as many as it takes.  Find the few politicians, like a Bernie Sanders or an Allen Grayson, who work within the current system and enlist them as your public face.  We know this is possible.  Nader tried it but he’s not a politician and is uncomfortable in that roll.  Anderson and Perot tried it and came pretty damn close to succeeding.  They just lacked enough angry Americans to make their movement ignite.  Well, there are now 10s of millions of angry Americans around so that problem is solved.

We can also step outside the current economic system.  Hedges had a suggestion but it doesn’t work for the general public.  We need to work together to create an alternative to the current consumption based rape.  Create a massive barter system using the internet.  Get away from the US dollar and find another way to trade services and goods.  Work locally to build this system.  Local businesses, local farmers ... you know what I mean.  And local political actions.  Work locally to develop alternative parties but also work to bring them together into a national force.  Win local elections first, then state and finally national.  That’s how we win this war!

Those of you who are looking for the 15 second soundbite solution should look elsewhere.  This is not a fight that will be won in a day or a week or even a year.  This is a multi-generational battle for our future and the future of our children.  The march on Washington last week was a small beginning but that’s all.  We need to take the anxiety and anger and turn it into a force for real change in this country.  Anything less will fail.

And Chris ... keep on giving us those wonderful stories and reports.  Do your job with fire and anger.  We’ll take it from there and do the rest.

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By colin2626262, October 5, 2010 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment

To Anarcissie:

You said, “People can think of ways of withdrawing their work, energy, and wealth from the existing state and its wars…That’s real revolution.”

I just quit my job.  Am I a revolutionary?  I don’t feel like one. 

To naomipaz:

You quoted Dorothy Day as saying, “If we rendered unto God all the things that belong to God there would be nothing left for Caesar.”

Did you know what she meant by rendering unto God all the things that belong to God?  I think she meant simply taking care of the poor and needy so that the rich, exploitative class could no longer exploit the masses.

I’ve read most of the comments here.  Gmonst offered the solution of changing our inner selves.  StuartH debunked violent revolution.  And naomipaz says “just say no” to the system. The idea was that we have real power, if only we’d just exercise it.  By not paying our taxes?  Someone else wrote that we should stop voting. 

I can understand some of the attacks on Chris Hedges and his brand of writing.  His method is to denounce, condemn, identify the problems and preach that we should be as disgusted as he is and do something about it.  I still don’t know what to do, though, and it’s not just me.  I wasn’t the only one to point out that Hedges offers very little in the way of constructive solutions.  But I think his writing is itself a sort of solution.  After all, if more people felt and thought the way he did, we wouldn’t have the economic and political problems we have today.

By the way, Anarcissie, I didn’t actually want to withdraw my work from the existing state, and I was part of it.  I was in the education field.  Anyway, I think Hedges is right about the alienation and the void many people feel in American society.  That explains the obsession with the image based, television culture, which he wrote about last week. 

One person left a comment that echoed the Tikkun Magazine line (if anyone is familiar) that says the society we live in generates selfishness and fear and if we could only break free from this we’d have a more caring society, but it all starts with us as individuals, how we treat our neighbors.  I tend to agree.  There are a lot of people, I think, who want a better society, who aren’t hate filled or morally blind.  The comments here are evidence of that. 

It’s difficult to offer solutions.  I guess that’s why Hedges doesn’t focus on that.  I mean, what is the alternative to free market capitalism?  Socialism, a state planned economy, a return to agriculture as a way of life, a village based economy, a decentralized state, a state without a strong military?  Hedges prides himself on being a realist.  Most people would look at the solutions I just put forth and say, “That’s not realistic.”  I do get the feeling, though, that Hedges and maybe some others, would not be unhappy if the American state as we know it collapsed.  Start from scratch?  I could be wrong, but that’s the feeling I get from reading Hedges.  I’m not sure I disagree, either.

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By Psychobabbler, October 5, 2010 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment
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The poor, underpaid, and over working hopeless people who want to be represented by liberals don’t have time or money to be involved with rallies, so you have to recognize their plight as individuals in your communities.

I would prefer and will continue to demand federal government intervention because privileged people tend to segregate themselves into areas where they are not exposed to them and they will have to pitch in for their fellow citizens.

You know who you are. Don’t make me have to come to you and sort you out!

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By David, October 5, 2010 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment
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Chris can write his “we must revolt” columns every week. But it will not make any difference until he gets serious about his “socialism” and starts talking specifics, program and party. Is there one he believes is equipped, intellectually and morally, to lead the way? One he feels is worth supporting?  Unless he can do that, he’s no more helpful then those ostensibly “socialist” parties comprised of middle class snobs that have no real connection to or interest in the working class. With due respect, it’s time to put up or shut up.

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By mdgr, October 5, 2010 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

Actually, I shouldn’t have said “from the perspective of Vichy.” I shouldn’t have used the word “perspective” at all. This is about the very soul of Vichy. It’s what we see when we step outside the Matrix.

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By mdgr, October 5, 2010 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2010/10/2010105104959212813.html

It pretty much says it all from the perspective of Vichy.

As for JDmysticDJ, whose incoherent riff reeks of projection, hate-speech (homoerotic what?????) and murderous affect masquerading as something very different, my goodness.

Have you considered taking your meds?

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By chacaboy, October 5, 2010 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Many thanks Chris,

I also feel that your writing, your courage, and your credibility constitute a lone
and sorely needed voice. Keep up the good work. We will all be standing with you.

I think that there are basically two classes of people now the world over.  There
are those who benefit from and collaborate with global capitalism and military
aggression, and those who find no benefit in it, stand apart from it, and oppose it.
This movement will grow only as this dividing line becomes more distinct and
easier to define, and as an increasing number of people identify themselves and
find it necessary to stand up.

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By ohiolibgal, October 5, 2010 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

I agree with the thought that things are going to have to get much worse, tons more people thrown out of their comfort zone, before change might be forced.

I’ll probably vote but OMG it really feels like enabling. The democrats don’t have to do much and can still correctly say we’re not them. If it works what is their incentive to do any more than they have been? They can keep just skimming above that stupendously low bar ad infinitum.

BTW nobody is talking communism, but democratic socialism works just fine in places like Denmark.The people could vote it out at any time but why on earth would they, the lack of stress on the middle class is considerable.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 5, 2010 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

Volma… I think you are absolutely right about practically all you mentioned to me.. thank you so much for being honest and not holding back what you think and see… and glad you didn’t take it out on me personally as others seem to be tempted to… much appreciated and thank you kindly wink

If I may respond to your words:

“You seem to be, unfortunately peddling the SOS, and it’s not even at all hard to see…It’s so transparent, it’s sad, and sorry to say, but if you buy and sell this lie, you are made of the same stuff that the corporate overlords who are running the world theater now…You just have not been able to amass as much money and power, but once you have you would be psychotically using every means within your grasp to keep hold of this, just as they are doing…”

I haven’t been able to clearly see it until just recently and even more so now reading your words.  You are right!

I’ve been living in a duality of sorts for some time now.  Today I was just sharing with a friend about working for oneself and about the stock market… and as I described these things and how easy it is to make money if you really desired to…. I HAD TO ALSO DESCRIBE how when one pursues the knowledge of money, it is like opening a sealed door… and looking in through that door, one sees darkness… no light whatsoever! 

I described to him how it seems like a shadow had been cast over my soul upon pursuing this knowledge…

And I’ve struggled since then with pursuing riches and / or pursuing how deep money has become ingrained in our psyche…. and once again today I realized how I always resort to thinking that “if I just had enough to do this or take care of this, then all will be well” thinking… how like you can just write someone a check and that will be remedy enough.

I honestly have not updated that site in some time as far as text and copy, only adding a video here and there which expounds on the crimes these shysters are committing… and yes, I must say I too, even though pointing out the carrot to others… see myself still somehow encouraging others to pursue that knowledge… hmmmm?

Paradoxical to say the least.

I know I do desire folks to work for themselves.

I want folks to be free from working for others. 

To shop at their local places of business, locally owned and operated, not some corp whatever ( like McD’s, Walmart, etc ) and even start their own service or thing they do / sell / their passion to build the first unlimited energy machine, etc…

I have found out that the best way to protect your work, labor, business and the sense of self-reliance is to ‘play the game accordingly’ as advised by ‘rich dad advisor’ Robert Kiyosaki… yet some things I didn’t agree with him on, some I have… and seem to still need better discernment in my approach, application and promotion of what my true intentions are, which is for people to eventually snap their faith in money and make up their own money ( it being a tool / the medium of exchange for goods and services )... free form interest, free from manipulation and free from its printing by the whim of some official(s).

A bit more from you:

“Have you learned nothing?, in your life but materialism…You seem so intelligent and enlightened on this…I would rather die poor than die with the blood of billions of souls I used, killed, enslaved to have earthly power…”

That is also something I’ve mulled in my mind… for it is true, in order to make some real bucks, in most businesses, you need to divide the labor ( make others slave away while you do less and make more ).. and that too weighed heavy on my heart.. so I struggle with turning my back on that knowledge and only deal with the REAL:  People, animals, the land, water, plants, vegetables, etc… and things which basically support those life essentials…. not the next widget for $19.95…. call now!

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By Susan Griffin, October 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment
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Hedges misinterprets Hannah Arendt, who by the way in her great work on Totalitarian also wrote about Stalin and the crimes of the Soviet Union. I remember well the days when much the old left denied those crimes and that denial went along with the idea that the only way to solve any problems was to change the whole system and thus anything liberals 9defined as anyone not communist) did was useless. McCarthyism was terrible not only for its violation of civil liberties but for the suppression of a debate that should have continued openly then about what social systems work, the problems with centralized, total power,the viability and effectiveness of various democratic forms and the rise of global capitalism that in so many ways resembles the old Soviet, imperialistic, bureaucratic tyrannies. One of the ways by the way Hitler and the Third Reich took power was that a significant part of the German left felt the Weimar Republic to be too compromised and not radical enough and thus did not attempt to protect the relatively new German democracy nor organize and educate the people around ways to change through democratic forms. If we lose the US Congress to the
Republicans we will repeat history by giving strength to (and her I agree with Hedges) a proto-fascist movement. I am not expressing all of my criticism here but it is important to see that in the sixties while the old left continued to nurture vague fantasies about revolution, several effective independent movements arose that created real change. The civil rights movement transformed a corrupt South where African American people had been denied basic rights, including the right to vote; unions were integrated;  the women’s movement won the right to abortion,changed the way rape cases are prosecuted,increased the number of students in law and medical schools from under 10 to in some cases over 50%. What we need now is a solid movement that addresses the economic rights of working and retired people and their children.  Social change does not occur from the top. It happens from the bottom. The union movement had been well under way for decades when FDR made it legal. The March on Washington was a very, very good first step.identified the problem of sexual abuse, increased the number of students in law and medical schools from under 10 to in some cases over 50%. What we need now is a solid movement that addresses the economic rights of working and retired people and their children.  Social change does not occur from the top. It happens from the bottom. The union movement had been well under way for decades when FDR made it legal. The March on Washington was a very, very good first step.
One of the realms where social change takes place is in public discourse. A march is part of public discourse. Without public discourse, which shapes consciousness and opinion, how do you propose change? By enforcing your ideas on the masses? Of course the system is corrupt and the structures need to be changed. This is clear. But how do we go about this change. By electing proto-fascists and handing over to them the power, letting them take charge of the most powerful government in the world? (Don’t tell me about it has to get worse before it gets better please—a left wing position in Germany of the 1930’s) Finally
left wing position in Germany of the 1930’s) Finally real, lasting change takes place in a way that reflects progressive values, honoring and respecting all life among them, as assembling together and speaking out about the rights of working people does. (Yes that did happen on this march) I propose we begin to add to public discourse a creative discussion about what social forms can meet our problems now, especially mass poverty, global warming and violent conflicts in which more civilians die than soldiers. And in meantime, let’s begin to scrutinize and understand our social ills with a sharper and more subtle lens. Kafka anyone?

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By ChaviztaKing, October 5, 2010 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

RENZO YOU ARE RIGHT, FOR A CHANGE IN USA WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR A REVOLUTIONARY OBJECTIVE CONDITION IN THE USA.

HERE ARE THE MAIN 3 TRAITS OF A REVOLUTIONARY SITUATION IN USA:

# 1 - When it is impossible for the rich people of this country (like Bill Gates, Jennifer Lopez, Tom Cruise, Donald Trump, Al Gore, Ross Perot, Dick Cheney, etc.) to maintain their wealth without any change; when there is an economic crisis, in one form or another, among the rich people, a crisis in the policy of the rich ruling class, leading to a fissure through which the discontent and indignation of middle and lower classes of America burst forth. For a socialist-revolution to take place, it is usually insufficient for the middle and lower classes not to want to live in their old comfortable and stable way; it is also necessary that the rich upper millionaire class should be unable to live in their old comfortable way.

# 2 - When the suffering and the needs of the middle and lower working classes of this country have grown more acute than usual


# 3 - When, as a consequence of the above causes, there is a considerable increase in the activity of the middle and working classes, who uncomplainingly allow themselves to be robbed in peace time, but, in turbulent times, are drawn both by all the circumstances of the crisis *and by the upper classes themselves* into independent historical action.


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By colin2626262, October 5, 2010 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment

What’s so crazy is that an “economic renewal” could never come from anyone on the right.  Their plan is to continue to give tax breaks to the wealthy.  Then the right wing propangandists call policies that could actually renew us economically “socialist” and try to scare people that way.  Hedges is right.  The Democrats have not done much to improve the society, but that’s because they’re part of the system of unfettered capitalism.  Look at Obama.  Didn’t his biggest campaign contributions come from Wall Street?  And that’s the candidate of “change.”

What I don’t understand is Hedges’s call for change.  He writes: “We will blunt these rising anti-democratic forces only when we organize outside conventional systems of power. It means dismantling the permanent war economy and the corporate state…It means taking care of our poor and unemployed. And it means a system of government that is freed from corporate interests.”  That’s kind of a difficult list, don’t you think?  First, in what way do we organize outside of conventional systems of power and actually get any attention?  Ralph Nader tried to run for President.  Okay, he couldn’t even get on the debates.  Maybe Hedges meant way, way outside systems power, such as, I don’t know, community gatherings.  I don’t know what he has in mind. 

Also, how does the average person dismantle the permanent war economy and the corporate state?  That’s like saying we should go destroy a mountain with a pick-axe.  Not easy to do or even plausible to suggest.  That’s not to say we can’t make a dent, through “rebellion.”  What kind of rebellion does Hedges have in mind?  He says he’s not opposed to violence in extreme situations, for self defense, of course.  Okay, maybe that’s where he’s going.

Let’s see if we can create a system of governement that’s freed from corporate interests.  Last time I checked, the entire government was based on corporate interests.  So let’s start hacking at that mountain again?  You know, maybe if someone wanted to get rid of a mountain, instead of a pick-axe (a little pathetic rally), you could instead use, oh, I don’t know, dynamite.  Like the anarchists who bombed Wall Street way back in the early 20th century.  Hedges cited that example in one of his previous articles, by the way. 

I personally don’t approve of violence.  You couldn’t criticize the state for killing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, for example, if you apply the state’s own methods as a form of resistance.  The only solution then is, what?  I don’t know.  Rebel, says Hedges.  How do we rebel and change the system?  I think we need less condemnation and more solutions.

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By Textynn, October 5, 2010 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Hedges is completely right about this. I really like Ed Schultz and I wanted people to show up for this March but personally it didn’t say much of what I wanted to hear, which was that the Dems are serving us to the elite as much as the REpubs.  I couldn’t afford to go but had it been about the two party system really being one party, I would have gone and slept in the car, etc.

The fact that the Dems passed a Health care bill written by the Heritage Foundation and was freshened up by Wellpoint all made possible by Dems voters and grassroot’s contributions leaves me nothing but dumb founded. Why Dem voters are not screaming to high heavens about the lie and sell out by Dems has me scratching my head. 

The excuse that Dems did what they could makes me ill. I’ve seen toddlers throw better fights for a cookie than these Dems did at any point in the year. With the exception of Kucinich and Sanders. Grayson sold out to the Repub bill sighting black mail terms. But whatever. It was the biggest and most sickening show of taking a dive I’ve ever seen.

The system is broken. Nothing is going to change until we stand up and address that the system is broken and being run from behind the curtain by Corporate America.  Sign things, carry signs. call shows, march…it will make no difference.

Both Parties have taken the American people down to a level of misery and poverty and third world reality that no one would have ever believed possible ten years ago.  The Parties have dickered together both serving their corporate masters first while taking the people to the verge of a level of exploitation just above that of masses dying in the streets and utter unrest.

We hear the most ridiculous hemming and hawing. We had so much backing for single payer that the Dems had to keep pretending they had to have different numbers of votes and when they would got close, the Dems themselves would come up with another stumbling block of their own invention. It was unbelievable and insulting.

Everyone paying attention is looking for another answer .  That answer won’t be found in either party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH8u9rpKOk0

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By genia, October 5, 2010 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

Agreed, dismantling the permanent war economy that and the corporate state
that worship death and wealth to the exclusion of life itself is at the center of
all our issues.

The best effective resistance is the creation of options.

We are too close to a fascist takeover and the destruction of all we care about to
do nothing.

People of good will MUST band together and create a declaration and demand
of those who claim we have put them in charge. Its time.

Virginia Bryant
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By JDmysticDJ, October 5, 2010 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

moonraven

You and mdgr should get a room.

I’ll attempt to speak to you in your own vernacular, although I’ve always had an aversion to crass cretinism, and I’ve known from the get go that the flamboyant use of obscene symbolism is the sure sign of a shallow mind incapable of expressing any thing other than homo erotic nihilism.

Quoth the (moon)raven, “Nevermore.”

Excuse the sarcasm while I point out that an un-illuminated traffic jam, followed by murder and mayhem according to the participant’s whim probably won’t provide a livable solution to the white man’s problems.

Being a Native American you should know that you haven’t been raped, until you’ve been raped by a Federal Government and its military.

If you were able to ask Tecumseh, on through Chief Joseph, and up to Leonard Peltier, I think they, and many like them, would give you the same answer. “From where the sun now stands in the sky, I will fight [using violence] no more.”

Quoth the mystic, “SHUT THE F …  UP!

Hoka Hey!

Chaos, what chaos? Maybe I can’t see it because of all the chaos. Let’s all make the real “March to Nowhere,” following the pied piper of truthdig, (He sure is colorful and charismatic isn’t he.)

Use it or lose it!

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By M.S.A., October 5, 2010 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment
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I fear for our country when I read comments from thebeerdoctor and other
dullards who should know better. Hedges has the solution right there in every
article he writes: fight against the corporation.

When you go to work, fight against the corporation.
When you vote, fight against the corporation.
When you go shopping, fight against the corporation.
When you talk to your mother, fight against the corporation.

Fight against the corporation.
Fight against the corporation.
Fight against the corporation.

Are you starting to see the solution yet?

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By LJL, October 5, 2010 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Hedges’ stirring sermonette extolling the virtues of muscular quietism as opposed to united political action as witnessed in the weekend’s demonstration is as usual mostly vacuous, essentially because of his essential negativism.  In a sea of pious platitudes he did make one valid observation which touches on the failure of America’s current politics.  To my mind, Chris nailed the cause of our political impasse when he observed that America is burdened by “a liberal class that abandoned the working class.”  Too many on the left have become fascinated by their idiosyncratic beliefs and ideologies causing them have abandoned the sweaty everyday reality of the real working people of America.

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By MollyJ, October 5, 2010 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment

I listened to the _Democracy Now!_ coverage of this event.  And there were some inspirational speaker but at the end of the day it was a “get out the vote” action and it ignored that there is no one to vote for.  they are all employed by the same interests.  Amy Goodman interviewed Danny Schlecter and he said something that Chris Hedges said.  He commented that there was no educational effort.

Bingo.

Until we start to talk about how our discourse is ruined by moneyed interests who own the congress, white house, supreme court, we are dead in the water. 

We must demand better but I admit I am stumped at how to move beyond the rhetoric stage.

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By REDHORSE, October 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

Who do you think C.Hedges is? Every Hedges article published here has posters demand he provide solutions and leadership. He’s a journalist, not a revolutionary politician.

      For a site called TRUTHDIG, this piece delivered. It spoke directly to the cause and effect reasons for this nightmare and laid bare the emotional and psychological forces it has engendered. And, it took the rally leaders to task for falling short in their efforts to speak truth to power. This was good red meat. My tail was waggin’.

      I’m proud of you!! There has been a lot less kneejerk here in the past few weeks and the fact that many now try to illuminate reality with links, quotes and direction to research sources gives me hope. It’s the kind of substantive soul cuisine we can relish. Lean and compassionate mean is where we’re going. Lets help each other stop living on a poisonous lie

      We’re crystal clear on the reality. Hedges laid it right on the table. Eat up and grow stronger. 


    GOT LIFE?—GOT LIBERTY?—ARE YOU HAPPY?
              BE IT!!!

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By jdyf333, October 5, 2010 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment

I agree with Mr. Hedges. Indeed, as Cintra Wilson once wrote, “Pollyanna-ism
Kills!” It is very clear that there is going to be much bloodshed if we do not turn
off our televisions, if we do not immediately cease engaging in overtly delusional
behavior such as voting and the worship of sports, games, and money.

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By BR549, October 5, 2010 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment

By Nick Egnatz, October 5 at 7:24 pm
““StuartH “Not voting is no solution.”  Well for me it is the only logical start to
bringing us democracy, a return to the rule of law and guaranteeing all our
citizens something akin to what we signed on to with the International
Declaration of Human Rights.”

“Certainly voting for Democrats or Republicans will do none of the above.  And
third parties don’t have a chance in our rigged system.”

=================

Both parties have so many unconscious minions, who resemble political
bobble-head dolls that will do anything for praise. Not until you decimate the
population of those misinformed will you ever have any effect by NOT voting. It
will not happen, and the parties are counting on you staying home and doing
just that.

First of all, we should be voting for ANYTHING BUT the two parties. Then,
where there are no independent candidates, we should be voting the
incumbents out. Then where seats are not being contested, we should show
up to vote and vote for no one.

If 54% of the eligible voters showed up in 2008, and 53% of them voted for Obama, imagine the possibility of 80% of the eligible voters showing up in 2010 and both Republican and Democrat Parties each had only 10% of the voting population. Imagine what the rest of the population will then think of the possibilities for 2012. Let the statisticians battle out the meaning of it all later, but I can assure you those figures would send a resounding message to everyone that people still cared and the “two party system” was losing ground.

By not showing up at all, whatever slight chance we might have would be totally lost. The 2010 vote might have some significant changes, but more than anything else, it would send a message to the other voters why it hurts to sat back and do nothing. And if there is enough response to 2010 and people are able to see the pattern, imaging what could happen for 2012.

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By Volma, October 5, 2010 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

I feel sure of one thing, the plan prepared by the bankers corporate elite group of the world will cave in, turn on then, and destroy them…It has never worked, and never will, because this is not the law of humankind and nature…If they had any true intelligence left in their dark little minds, they would see by destroying humanity, enslaving humanity, they are destroying themselves…They are aware of this, and their fears, are the reason they are moving so fast…Moving fast slow whatever will never work, their agenda has already been lost, they have already destroyed themselves…It matters not how many others they kill, silence, enslave, they are finished…I know this, because it’s an inevitable law of nature and human kind that has been replayed over and over and over again, with the insane thought that this time it will work…Never has in the history of human kind, and never will…The power that assures this is larger more alive more powerful than they will ever be, call it laws of nature, human kind, mother earth, God, Higher Powers, whatever you name it, it’s there and obviously pretty real and solid…The illusions that hold us hostage, called money, ownership, corporations, religions, governments are just a negative mass illusion that humans will have to repeat over and over and over again until they they learn to see the real picture, which is obvious, before your very eyes, simple, easy and pure…We will all die, and with death, the end of our journey, if we die tomorrow or 100 years down the line, we still die…The world in a sense, comes to an end, for all of us at the moment…From then on, you can make up any belief that your little brain comes up with to help you feel more substantial, in control, better than the rest, whatever…It’s anyone’s guess, and guess, disillusion, illusions are all it is, that’s a fact Jack….But we must, we must make up reasons, and follow up tales to tell ourselves and agree upon because we are not in control, we really do not know why we are, who we are and we are angry about it…The anger creates the tales the religions, the governments, the Us against them’s the mind chatter….It’s so life and death, serious tragic and yet funny superficial and inevitable…Fighting against the unseen inevitable, the one thing we as humans will never have and have never had..the power over our own life, the God like power that we create Gods to represent…We can kill destroy, ya, we are good at that, but we cannot save ourselves from oblivion…. We can sell enforce and enslave others to believe in a story of our explanation of why we are here, where do we go after death…But the creators of the stories and myths, know deep inside that they are only stories and myths…everyone knows somewhere, but fear keeps it at bay…This earth will outlive out last humanity, we are part of this earth but we may have to go, to be replaced with something else…People who believe that humans can destroy this earth are crazy, humans may make this earth uninhabitable for humans, but never destroy the earth itself…“Silly humans, (with huge gigantic God’s wannabe ego’s) tricks are for kids”...

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By RenZo, October 5, 2010 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

Solutions depend on where you live, what you have, what you want and what you can do. For one, I believe Hedges is living up to high standard writing because he clearly does it better than 99% of us.
Armed rebellion would not succeed until, as one poster put it, ‘things get much worse’. In fact premature armed rebellion would serve as a deterrent by providing a reality show cum morality play - showing how terrorism is punished.
Short of armed rebellion we could all resist the corporate doctrine, oppose its directives and ignore its messages, providing for ourselve more and more, and extolling the virtues of such behavior. In other words, shop local, turn off your tvs, don’t buy new stuff, don’t use credit cards and talk to your neighbors. You could also try being a good neighbor.
Clearly, a very basic problem is lack of useful education. If everyone were educated - all would understand what was going on as it was happening or at the very least when it was explained to them. All would understand how the message of corporate media is perverted, seductive and dishonest, like the fine print at the bottom that no one can read. All would understand how addictive substances and memes are fed to us with tacit approval of the government which is outright owned by corporations. All would understand how everything eventually will be taken away and belong to corporations. So go work on the board of education; teach your family different values (by preaching and by showing); be different and teach others to be different; be useful; be an example. Think for yourself!

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By ChaviztaKing, October 5, 2010 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST, AND IN SOCIALISM:  THIS IS JUST A PERSONAL IDEA, BUT AN IDEA CAN SAVE THE WORLD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FplQ8a7c4ZM
Watch this great spiritual, emotional, motivational speech by the US President calling all people of the world unite against extraterrestrials in the movie Independence Day.  It is very relevant to these revolutionary times. Because we need to set aside our differences and unite into a United-Front in order to save USA and the world

I think that we in the US left, need to think about the creation of a United Socialist Front composed of most workers parties, small socialist, leftists and progressive movements of United States.  To do this we would need to write a letter proposing this idea to the leaders of the USA left such as Ralph Nader, Chris Hedges, Alan Mass, Cindy Sheehan, David Ray Griffin, Bill Von Auken (From Socialist Equality Party), Cynthia Mckinney, Amy Goodman.  (The Green Party, The Libertarian Party, The Socialist Equality Party, The Democratic Socialists of USA, The Socialist Party of USA, The Revolutionary Communist Party of USA, The Workers World Party of USA, The Marxist-Leninist Party of USA, and other alternative socialist parties) which would be not like a Political Party with a specific ideology, but a United-Front.  The USA requires the sacrifice of many of the different third parties, to sacrifice their personal interpretation of the world if they want to save USA.

Thanks

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By BR549, October 5, 2010 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

StuartH, October 5 at 5:55 pm
“If it weren’t for the people involved, politics might be all right.”

and “Anyone who complains ought to run for office or try to help someone do it.”

Funny you should say that. While my attempts weren’t based in politics, they did involve getting off my ass and testifying in Washington, and with respect to another issue, rather than just figuratively hurling tomatoes at the directors, I ran for and secured a seat on the Board of Directors. Yes, it can be done. Change can happen. People are NOT all assholes, but first and foremost, they want the truth, well, most of them anyway.

As long as people in charge keep intentionally making life more complex than need be, the populace will opt for the “Blue Pill”, but taking the intentional manipulations of the power elite out of the equation, many people, who actually possess very strong qualities of self governance and personal integrity, will opt for the “Red Pill” and be willing to take that harder path.

The only problem is that people in power don’t like giving up one shred of their power.

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By Volma, October 5, 2010 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

Napoleon, Went to your link and I see you understand the part of the puzzle about the federal reserve, yet you are advocating that people use the system that created this mess, to make everything better….Lets say we all do what your linked page tells you, how to be rich, invest your money, create your own corporation….hmmmmmmm Lets see, if that is at all possible at this point, it would take large sums of money and a venue that can compete with the corporate giants, and still come out ahead…Or maybe a venue like money markets, etc….I absolutely do not see how you can be so blind and yet so aware of part of the problem, yet refuse to see the “Big Picture”
Not everyone can be rich, the rich live off the poor, blood sweat and tears…The rich have set a price on everything, to the point of owning beyond death…The reality, is that humanity needs to get enlightened to the reality that no one really owns land it’s a negative self defeating social construct..No one deserves to have more than anyone else from birth..Yes some people work harder, longer etc..yet if they worked harder to make this world a better, more loving and kind place, everyone would benefit, not just you…In the sense that the concept of money is to have more, power and domination over others (which is really what it is about) to feel better have more, be treated like a king/queen, whatever…In this sense, money is the Root of All Evil, because its a unnatural enslavement concept used to repress oppress, and keep humanity ignorant, enslaved and away from their true nature, spirituality, God, and the true reason they are here…You seem to be, unfortunately peddling the SOS, and it’s not even at all hard to see…It’s so transparent, it’s sad, and sorry to say, but if you buy and sell this lie, you are made of the same stuff that the corporate overlords who are running the world theater now…You just have not been able to amass as much money and power, but once you have you would be psychotically using every means within your grasp to keep hold of this, just as they are doing…Have you learned nothing, in your life but materialism…You seem so intelligent and enlightened on this…I would rather die poor than die with the blood of billions of souls I used, killed, enslaved to have earthly power…Anyone who twists Christianity to this message is obviously in the Fox News, Moral Majority, Rush, Evangelical, Jesus hates Muslims/loves money party…

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By hsfrey, October 5, 2010 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment
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OK!

And what is the nature of the desired rebellion?

Stage a general strike in an era of strikebreakers
and millions of unemployed waiting to be scabs?

Use our 2d Amendment guns to fight an increasingly
militarized police force plus armed skinheads and
“militias”?

Talk of rebellion is just pissing into the wind!

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By ohiolibgal, October 5, 2010 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

Washington is a cesspool in 2010, the democrats just represent the perfumed wing of it. Money must be removed from politics, until that happens what we really need to happen won’t happen. We’ll continue to get tepid completely watered down remedies like the health care bill at best, and we’ll keep dribbling billions monthly on war and occupation.

So for the most part I agree with Mr. Hedges.

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By radson, October 5, 2010 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

Here’s a gift from the right wing yahoos ,I am sure ITW will have a chuckle with this along with Vladimir Putin.

 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkw7n9Qagu8&feature=player_embedded

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By archivesDave, October 5, 2010 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment
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Stuart H:
“A lot of what passes for commentary here is really the flunk outs rushing to claim to be the head of the class.”
Sounds pretty elitist to me…Actually a lot of ‘flunk outs’ like Einstein and ADDers don’t give a rat’s ass about class warfare and have proven themselves far beyond a great many 4.0 highly educated derelicts.
Will Durant was once quoted as declaring, “history is mostly guessing and the rest is prejudice.”

Oh, and your statement, ” Some are irritated enough to shoot.  That is what causes wars, by the way.”

Yup, that surely is what most history books preach but if you believe that drivel I have some iron pyrite to sell you at $1300 an once.

Do a little more research with Dr Nicholas Hagger,
Zinn, Griffin, Alex Jones, Michael Ruppert, Hegel’s Principle, et al to find out who and what started most all wars in the past century.

‘ordo ab chao’...

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By RayLan, October 5, 2010 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

Is Chris doing what Obama sanctimoniously dismisses as ‘whining’? After all complaining that Obama didn’t even come close to living up to his Messianic expectations can only be whining. He at least made compromises to abate the right - which is so important, since their abatement leads to all American success. Obama has actually tried to play Everyman - a Man for all Seasons , to please people of every political stripe. But as the fable The Miller His Son and Their Ass, has shown , those who seek to please everybody please nobody.
Personally I believe Obama is a coward - easily cowed by the rabid bulldogs on the right. But actually, he is more of a hypocrite than a coward, since he shares their corporate bed.

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By StuartH, October 5, 2010 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

Nick Egnatz:

If you have been around for a while you have probably become familiar with
Roberts Rules of Order. 

Really there is no such thing as not voting.  When a vote is taken, there is the
option of abstaining.  In which case you are saying, “it makes no difference
which side takes the majority.”  So you are voting with whoever attains a
majority. 

If you really feel comfortable with that, then abstaining may be a responsible
option.  I have abstained in committee situations many times. 

But I don’t agree with abstaining when the possibility exists that the dangerous
fools of the right wing might benefit from it.  In that case I do not agree that it
makes no difference which side takes the majority. 

When rule is by majority vote, it doesn’t matter that one might wish for better
people or better options than anyone has been able to discover.  We live in
reality, not the cartoon depiction of it we see in the media.

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By Nick Egnatz, October 5, 2010 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

StuartH “Not voting is no solution.”  Well for me it is the only logical start to bringing us democracy, a return to the rule of law and guaranteeing all our citizens something akin to what we signed on to with the International Declaration of Human Rights.

Certainly voting for Democrats or Republicans will do none of the above.  And third parties don’t have a chance in our rigged system. 

Taking part in our electoral process is giving an affirmation that the system is democratic and the government is law abiding.  Neither is true.

I’ve voted in every election of my life and I’ve been around a while, but I have finally reached the point where I won’t hold my nose and pull the D lever and get another Nobel Peace Prize winner who ratchets up the war, continues torture, won’t hold anyone accountable for the most serious crimes (wars of aggression, torture, warrant less wiretapping etc.), claims the right to execute without trial U.S. citizens and sends the FBI to raid the homes of peace and social justice advocates in Minn. and Chicago. 

I could go on but why?  He’s done nothing to stop the foreclosure crisis or start a WPA type program to put people back to work.  He wants to help small businesses get loans.  I used to be a small businessman, they don’t need loans they need customers with money in their pockets who aren’t worried that they will lose their job tomorrow.  He supported the Bank Bailout which has advanced through interest free Federal Reserve loans to the Wall Street Banksters a Bloomberg News estimated $10 trillion.  I’ll stop now. 

I’m not hiding the fact that I won’t participate in U.S. elections.  I’m not apathetic, I’m principled.  Those who think any substantive change will come from voting Democratic, let me know when it happens.  I’m of the belief that we have a bad system for the people and certainly a criminal system according to our Constitution and international law.  Please excuse me for refusing to support and endorse it.

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By Kanomi Blake, October 5, 2010 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

While this pathetic collection of partisan hacks, hanger-ons, naifs, waifs, and dupes was out hollering for the Blue team and booing the Red team in the never-ending political football game of the Corporate police state, the real players were hard at work.

Unfortunately, unlike these pathetic pep rallies, their work is no game: wiretapping, looting, foreclosing, outsourcing, kidnapping, torturing, imprisoning, bombing, and oh yeah, working a coup in Ecuador.

But of course it’s easier to snicker on cue at the Tea Party when prompted by Jon Stewart than to take a long look in the mirror and admit that you’ve been tricked; to admit that your continued support of these utterly corrupted political front-men makes you cog of a ruthlessly exploitative capitalist war machine; that it makes you a willing partner to your own destruction and an indirect party to usury, racketeering, war crimes and treason.

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By sallysense, October 5, 2010 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

(1st part of comment)...

from among some…

“in congress… july 4 1776…
the unanimous declaration of…
the thirteen united states of america”...

(and on beyond comes)...

...on a fourth of july in seventy-six…
...thirteen young colonies broke away from the brits…
...their continental congress adopted independence…
proclaiming… “when in the course of human events”...
...through compelling methods left unto men’s hands…
“it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands”...
...by revolt cutting ties to that overseas mother…
“which have connected them with another”...
...hence early states shall be given new birth…
“and to assume among the powers of the earth”...
...vowing to those both the poor and the rich…
“the separate and equal station to which”...
...a conscience of liberty is deeded wherein…
“the laws of nature and of nature’s god entitle them”...
...in giving freedom of thought a home’s open mind…
“a decent respect to the opinions of mankind”...
...as publicly made so all be aware…
“requires that they should declare”...
...those reasons behind the states’ liberation…
“the causes which impel them to the separation”...
...that man’s awareness is justly meant…
“we hold these truths to be self-evident”...
...let our account set about its sequel…
“that all men are created equal”...
...through references being related before…
“that they are endowed by their creator”...
...as is our accord under this light…
“with certain unalienable rights”...
...of inborn standards in so far…
“that among these are”...
...opportunity bearing to have full bequest…
“life… liberty… and the pursuit of happiness”...
...furthered by procurement’s plight…
“that to secure these rights”...
...representation’s arrangement begins and…
“governments are instituted among men”...
...with fair play replacing oppressive old sovereign…
“deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”...
...as previous leaders raised devastation within…
“that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends”...
...then since its embodiment must ensure things stay fit…
“it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it”...
...reconstructively necessitating earnest attempts…
“and to institute new government”...
...whose support helps well being for one and all…
“laying its foundation on such principles”...
...of enacting a working plan up from that core…
“and organizing its powers in such form”...
...for each action’s outcome to reflect basic interests…
“as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness”...

(continued below… see 2nd part of comment)...

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By sallysense, October 5, 2010 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

(2nd part of comment)...

from among some…

“in congress… july 4 1776…
the unanimous declaration of…
the thirteen united states of america”...

(and on beyond comes)...

...since careful consideration subsequently rehashes…
“prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established”...
...can’t waste transformation on trivial loss as…
“should not be changed for light and transient causes”...
...hence history’s clear hindsight makes it well known…
“and accordingly all experience hath shown”...
...ill ways garner gain when heavily readily touchable…
“that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable”...
...through rather less doing of what has to be done…
“than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed”...
...as also its process while checking those stations…
“but when a long train of abuses and usurpations”...
...headed downhill around neck and neck…
“pursuing invariably the same object”...
...leaving commonweal ailing from some tyrant’s favoritism…
“evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism”...
...the public good must use their scrutiny…
“it is their right… it is their duty”...
...through efforts against blatant mismanagement…
“to throw off such government”...
...with protection to shield from ill-willed impurities…
“and to provide new guards for their future security”...
...as ailing distress must overcome hardship solidly…
“such has been the patient suffrance of these colonies”...
...for it needs to be dealt with inevitably…
“and such is now the necessity”...
...in proceeding to eliminate reign’s unjust intent…
” which constrains them to alter their former systems of government”...
...where a legacy left by the crown is now written…
“the history of the present king of great britain”...
...lording his power without rightful validations…
“is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations”...
...relying on injustice to collect…
“all having in direct object”...
...a goal of overbearing control of america’s fate…
“the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states”...
...hence so nothing is amiss…
“to prove this”...
...this record exposes these details unfurled…
“let facts be submitted to a candid world”!...

(as hence they were!)...

(things need to change to get better… lotsa stuff to do… keep telling the lawmakers… ((no matter when their terms come to an end… and hopefully better workers begin!))... to wake up this government!... to care about the basics!... and stop misleading!... and end all the war!... and don’t waste anymore!...

and here’s one of many links that can be used to do that… and get congressional information etc too)... http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/officials

(and there’s lotsa other stuff to do too!)...

the best of wishes’n'ways’n'todays to each’n'everyone!... smile

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By lasmog, October 5, 2010 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Hedges makes a great point, support for the Democratic Party is “the politics of nostalgia.”  When I voted for Obama I actually thought I was voting for the party of FDR and the middle class. I realize how foolish that sounds now. Obama revealed his true colors they day he surrounded himself with Emanuel, Geithner and Summers and bailed out Wall Street. Its understandable that the visitors to this site often turn on each other in frustration.  Many of us are just now realizing that we have two corporatist parties running our country and it difficult to see a way out of this oligarchy.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 5, 2010 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Mr. Hedges for that… now about the solutions.

Here is mine:

The common ground is the money.  That’s what is used to keep people motivated and on the dole.  The heads of finance and industry know the chattel simply want to be left alone to slave away and buy shiny things to their hearts content… and when THAT madness is STOPPED by the regular Joe Amerikan…. well, then you’ll have a REAL revolution on your hands without spilling blood.

Consider what those before us have said regarding the ‘powers that be’ and who really runs Washington and all those hired hands Hedges verbally flogs:

Some famous and infamous ( omitted from mainstream history ):

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies…” —Thomas Jefferson, Third President U.S.A. President A.D. 1743 - 1826

“When the Federal Reserve Act was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world banking system was being set up here.  A super state controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure.  Every effort has been made to conceal its power but the truth is the Fed has usurped the government.”—Louis T. McFadden, A.D. 1876 - 1936, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives.

“Give me the right to issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who governs the country.” —b. A.D. 1773, Amschel Mayer Rothschild, German banker whose financial empire still exists today.  He and his descendants have and possibly continue to finance wars, governments, policies and who knows what else.  Link to his legacy ( a must read ).

“The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” —Thomas Jefferson, Third President U.S.A. President A.D. 1743 - 1826

“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is the master of all its legislation and commerce.” —James A. Garfield, 20th U.S.A. President A.D. 1831 - 1881, was assassinated only have served in office six months ( shortest term for any U.S. President ).

And the rabbit hole keeps getting deeper folks!

We have ALL been misled to put our trust, faith and attention on money, that fake substitute for what you really want… but we’re convinced that it is real, when it only represents something that ‘may’ be real.

Educate yourself so you may defend yourself.

More to learn here:

http://www.smartpeoplesmartmoney.com/Smart_Education.html

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By Big B, October 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

While Hedges is correct in the premise that radical change is needed, he needs to realize that americans will not, cannot change until we hit absolute rock bottom. When 50% of us are being evicted, when 50% of us have no access to medical care, when 50% are living on one meal a day, things may then change. But don’t hold your collective breathe, for americans are, on the whole, still believers in that oldest of bullshit american axioms, that this is the land of opportunity and that with just some good honest hard work we can all be millionaires.

As long as most of us still worship at the altar of false american exceptionalism, real substintave change will not come to this nation. Only when we wake up to the reality that we can and are FAILING will the people finally take up torches and pitchforks. The problem is that by then, that is all many of us will have.

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By thebeerdoctor, October 5, 2010 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

So I gather from the likes of Geza Eder, that if you criticize (or whine, as the poster put it) you have no business reading, let alone commenting on an article in Truthdig. So much for a democratic forum.
Walt-In-The Middle makes some pithy comments about those unwilling to deal with the sausage making part of democracy, and is wise to point out there are all kinds of political movements being organized, just not of the liberal persuasion. It seems that “those who know best” feel they have a right to believe that all of those millions of citizens who do not particularly agree with them, would change their positions if only they were given the facts. In the case of Chris Hedges, with his Master of Divinity degree from Harvard Divinity School, the enlightenment of the underclass would most likely take on the appearance of a Conversion on the road to Damascus.

The blame game is the unacknowledged seasoning to all of this. To dismiss those who do not behave as you do, like denouncing those who happen to shop at WalMart, is so easy and worthless. The idea of the American republic rests on the notion that citizens should respect one another, whatever are their personal perceptions. As Rigor so aptly put it: “one hate is no better than another.”

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By morristhewise, October 5, 2010 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

Financial markets are booming now that investors are confident that the present
administration is powerless to make any structural changes to the American
economy.  Unfortunately millions of the unemployed and mentally challenged
cannot expect any relief from the government, the status quo will remain. But the
president will not forget those that are left behind, he will continue giving them
hope through his visits and handshakes.

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By StuartH, October 5, 2010 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

Chris Hedges is doing something that those magazines about how to sell your
writing all say to do.  Find a way to push buttons.

Yes, there is a disparity between what is really going on and what can be dealt
with in political circumstances.

That is the difference between cultural perceptions and legal and fiduciary
practicalities.  Cultural perceptions are fed by the various persuasions that
anyone can mount that then have to be turned into some kind of cartoon in
order to be put across through the media. 

Thus, there are no straight sources of information.  That is the unfortunate,
grown up reality.  Everyone is hawking something.  That is the free marketplace
of ideas.

A lot of what passes for commentary here is really the flunk outs rushing to
claim to be the head of the class. 

Headline: Not only is the world stranger and more complicated than you
thought it was, but it is beyond comprehension just how much it is. 

That’s what is truly frightening.  Taking responsibility for actually dealing with
any of it and understanding the truth of it requires discipline, courage and the
ability to face one’s own weaknesses in standing up to it. 

Not voting is no solution.  Violent revolution is just fucking stupid.  Frustrating?
Yes. Hard to get anywhere? Yes.  Other people just seem dense?  If it weren’t
for the people involved, politics might be all right.

Do we live in a dangerous world? Yes. 

People are people.  Anyone who complains ought to run for office or try to help
someone do it.  Putting one’s ego out there and joining the battle is not nearly
as easy as grumbling about it on a blog.  Humans are trying to get it together.
That is not a perfect process.  The error rate is rather high. 

Perfection can only really be achieved in one’s own head by eliminating all the
unwanted factors that other people bring into it.  We all think we can project
the future out of our own brain and we all are irritated when others don’t get
how perfect that would be and insist on their own projection.  Some are irritated enough to shoot.  That is what causes wars, by the way.

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By Nick Egnatz, October 5, 2010 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

Hedges is asking us to take some bitter medicine.  Of course who wants to hear this?  No one, but that doesn’t make it any less valid.

For those who think reform can come from within the Democratic Party, how is this possible if they won’t do anything of substance to change the criminality of our foreign policy and absolute abandonment of the poor and working class now with both houses of Congress and the Executive Office? 

A 3rd party?  You’ve got to be kidding.  Even if forces for change could coalesce into a 3rd party where would the funding come from to combat the deep pockets of the two corporate parties?  After getting by that hurdle how does a 3rd party go about getting covered by our monopoly corporate press who represent the very corporate forces the 3rd party would be taking on? 

Even if the money issue and the media issue evaporated there would still be the issue of not wasting one’s vote and allowing the greater evil from the other party to win because of a 3rd part candidacy.  It is a rigged system and completely incapable of self correction.

The only logical solution I can see for people of conscience is to disavow a criminal system and publicly refuse to vote and be complicit in the continuation of the crimes. 

Someone has to stand up and say the system is anti democratic and criminal and I (we) won’t be part of continuing to give it legitimacy.  This is only the first step.  Where it goes from there?  As Tom Murelo sings “The Road I Must Travel Is the Road I Cannot See”

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By WarrenMetzler, October 5, 2010 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment
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Bravo Gmonst,

Here is some context for your support. Each person has a spirit. Each person
follows a context for each activity that person does; each context having a goal,
major actions to take, and major aspects on which to focus. All humans
continually communicate their contexts to each other via not consciously
noticed spirit to spirit communications. Each and every politician unconsciously
receives the spirit to spirit communications of his constituents, and always
votes consistent with them.

So if sufficient constituents change their views, the politician will change his
voting habits. Therefore, real change in any society arises from changes in the
personal contexts of the citizens of that society. Real change in a society does
not come from social movements.

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By Golric, October 5, 2010 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment
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All of these comments and only a couple hit the nail on the head . Zionists that are in control of the country ! If you want to start a revolution , first pin the blame in the right direction . Tell everybody that you know to start investigating the anomolies of 9/11 . Visit A&E for 9/11 Truth , Pilots for 9/11 Truth . Google the “dancing israeli’s”. Most people don’t even know that Building 7 fell down that day . All by itself after the owner said “pull it”. WTF!! Everybody is focused on Muslims , what a waste of time . Besides our so called government has done enough damage to cover the 9/11 debt the alleged evil doers done did ta us. Or try reverse psy ops , tell everybody that you know that they can’t investigate these things because it will just cause trouble or they could get in trouble for doing it . That might work .

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By Robespierre115, October 5, 2010 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

Pretty sad to see the number of people here slamming Chris and offering watered down, Sesame Street solutions. Just don’t complain when SS guards waving that “Don’t Tread On Me Flag” bloody your face. Capitalism isn’t some force we can fight by just being “patient” being of lights hoping to reform the rotten Democratic party from within, wake up people, we live in a one party state run by an oligarchy. Will we seriously have to go through a violent fascist phase before people are smacked into reality?

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By Géza Éder, October 5, 2010 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

thebeerdoctor: “That is the problem with Hedges diatribe. It is all hat and no cattle.It is one thing to bemoan the evils of this bloody world, secure in your own political-literary niche.”

Errr…are you aware of what you are doing when writing stuff like this?  You’re whining about someone whining ffs, isn’t that even worse?  Seriously, if you seriously believed what you keep writing about Hedges’ articles, you would not have made this post or read TD at all :-D Same for the rest of the people agreeing with this.  Aren’t you just doing the same thing as CH but with less eloquence, insight and a smaller audience?

Anyway.  For one on the “democratic left”, one of the main tools always has to be democratic, rational discussion.  One of the most important roles of public intellectuals is to give people arguments, to put common thoughts into words people can use and start their own stuff from.  Hedges is doing that, so he’s doing ok.

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By mdgr, October 5, 2010 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

Moonraven,

I think we both know that a 500 foot tsunami is sweeping over the times in which we live. The magma is flowing but the volcanoes haven’t yet begun to ignite. People are very scared right now, though mostly unconsciously. It’s not just happening in the USA, but all over the world. It’s a DNA-thing, and all our white picket fences are crashing in around us.

People deal with their fear of death in many different ways, but denial, anger and “bargaining” seem to lead the list.

I agree with your assessment of this site. Everyone must make his or her statement and few people listen to what has been said. As for the spaces between the words, it is mostly filled with intellectual self-gratification and narcissistic utterances. It is noise that distracts, that keeps anything from happening of any significant import. It blows off steam, of course, which is to say that it may as well have been financed by the Koch Brothers.

David Sirota recently said that many progressive groups were really nothing of the kind. The same could be said for “entertainment scandal sheets,” and here I include the Huff, Buzzflash and Truthdig. People play patty cake together. It’s a game that is sometimes played in pairs, of course, but it is usually one-handed.

What I liked about your recent post was that Cassandra-like edge in your voice. You weren’t trying to be “nice,” and neither were you speculating. You spoke with authority, and it wasn’t puffed-up ego. Cassandra’s curse was to tell the truth, though no one would believe her. Suffice it to say that I sense you told the truth.

Perhaps history itself is organic and we are well-past the tipping point to make any significant changes. Cusps are to be treasured, but we have also run out of cusps.

Let it be said that courage is needed now more than ever, and here I am not necessarily referring to anything political.

There’s a light at the end of the tunnel, and it’s coming ever toward us. I would not deny that it’s a train, but maybe it’s more than that. At some point—after Sapiens has reduced its number an order of magnitude and morphed into something Human—maybe we’ll finally recognize it as the Sun.

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By Anarcissie, October 5, 2010 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

Gmonst—Also, the outside becomes the inside.  One becomes what one pretends to be.

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By Brad Evans, October 5, 2010 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment
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“Turtle Island”?  Are you serious?
  Hedges trained to be a preacher man, but found out that journalism pays better and he didn’t have to deal with bake sales and choirs and gets to travel more.
  Still preachy, another WASP preaching about “diversity” while living a mainline (97% white/middle-upper middle class) lifestyle.  His ravings about “atheist fundamentalists” told me all I need to know about how his mind works.
  Raven, tough shit.  Your people tried to fight off people with guns and cannon with sticks and bows and arrows.  They lost.  Deal with it.  At least you’re not living in Mexico, Brazil or in some other Latin sh*thole.

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By glider, October 5, 2010 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

The only reasonable solution is to apply sufficient pressure to get passage of a Constitutional Amendment that restores Democracy and removes Corporations from controlling government. Getting activism started with this clear organized message is essential. Perhaps one could start at the state level with the people putting together and passing propositions that call on their state’s government to initiate the process of putting together a Constitutional Convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution

The only other choices are “hoping” that Obama-style incrementalism will eventually push out Corporatism (hardly likely IMO), or violent revolution and overthrow of the government (which would be an epic disaster in lives lost).

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By Uh Huh, October 5, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment
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There will be revolts, real revolts, and they will change the world.

Just not here.

This isn’t the “epicenter of human progress” anymore, if it ever was.  Anyone who suggests to you that it is, is fostering a mass delusion.  We had a sweet spot for a while, after Europe committed mass suicide in the first half of the 20th century.  We are mightily self-congratulatory, but the truth is we didn’t do very much with our Golden Period—with the unprecendented and unparalled opportunity we had.  (It won’t be coming back, by the way.)

Today we are the problem.  The rest of the world is very aware of that.  And one day, the solution will certainly come—but from somewhere else, of course.  I just hope this regime doesn’t bomb those people before they can get something good going.  I wish I were optimistic where that’s concerned.

Oh, about Israel.  Here is a great example—a country that does (did?) have an authentic and vigorous peace and justice movement.  What did various governmental, quasi-governmental, and officially non-governmental forces in America do about that?  They undermined it in every possible way.  So, when you talk about Israel, make the distinction between their right-wing American-enabled government and the Israeli people, however few they may be at this point, who oppose these policies.  They are entitled to at least that much, and frankly, the fact that they aren’t being acknowledged any more is beginning to worry me a lot.

(P.S.  At age 17, when I first learned about the Nazis, I decided that I would never say “German” when I meant “Nazi.”  If there were “only a handful” of Germans, Austrians, and so forth who actively opposed the Nazis, well then they are ALL THE MORE deserving of our respect for that.)

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By Fellow Traveler, October 5, 2010 at 11:51 am Link to this comment
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Anarcissie, you pose an excellent question, but it’s one that I’m sad to say that the vast-majority of self-described socialists have a powerful aversion to. I think Hedges is an intelligent, brave and principled man, but with due respect, “revolt against the formal structures of power” is about as far as he’s able to get. What does that mean? If I throw a chair through the window of a McDonalds, am I “revolting against the formal structures of power,” or am I simply making a mess that my working-class brothers and sisters will have to clean up and fix? Hedges won’t say ... and probably because he simply has no idea. The sectarian intellectual elitists at the World Socialist Web site have been asked for years to describe their vision of a socialist society, and they won’t go there. Other socialist parties like the ISO or Democratic Socialists of America have obviously deluded themselves into thinking the necessary change will be enacted by Democrats, so they pimp for corporate shills like Clinton and Obama as sort of a “first step,” and never seem to learn the lesson when the Democrat turns around and does almost exactly what Republicans do and what Wall Street wants. I think what it comes down to, in the end, is community-oriented planning: How, for starters, are you and the people on your block going to get food? Where will you plant the garden? What will you grow? These are questions that can be easily answered and dealt with. When the working-class in communities starts addressing their own needs at the local level, I think the way becomes much clearer.

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By Eric Johnson, October 5, 2010 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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Yeah, I strongly disagree with this article. There
were people passing out socialist pamplets,
talking about single payer healthcare and ending
the wars.


here’s a video from the rally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=Wkw7n9Qagu8&feature=player_embedded


I think this rally was a step int he right
direction.

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By johnny, October 5, 2010 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

Changing one “representative” government for another is a recipe for failure.  Decentralized direct democracy is what the signers of our Bill of Rights had in mind, but was not logistically possible then as it is today:

“Only one country in the world—Switzerland—is a direct democracy, in which, to an extent, the people pass their own laws, judge the constitutionality of statutes, and even have written, in effect, their own constitution. In this propitious volume, Gregory Fossedal reports on the politics and social fabric of what James Bryce has called “the nation that has taken the democratic idea to its furthest extent.” The lessons Fossedal presents, at a time of dissatisfaction with the role of money and privileged elites in many Western democracies, are at once timely and urgent. In Direct Democracy in Switzerland, Fossedal has developed a shrewd, sensitive overview of Switzerland’s high notion of statecraft. He details the reasons for studying Switzerland’s distinctive institutions, and explores the origins and development of the ancient Swiss democracy, which reaches back a thousand years. He shows how Switzerland handles the political questions common to all modern societies, such as education, taxes, crime, welfare, the Holocaust. He concludes with the ongoing debate over two very different visions of democracy, direct versus representative.”
http://ni4d.us/en/fossedal_2002

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By archivesDave, October 5, 2010 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

Nancy Bordier:
“There is only one way to overturn the duopoly and that is the Interactive Voter Choice System (IVCS) described by Joseph Firestone in A Global View of the Interactive Voter Choice System.

IVCS enables voters to win elections at all levels of government, AND avoid fragmenting the electorate, by creating a national network of inter-connected, voter-controlled, grassroots voting blocs that can get control of existing parties and build winning electoral coalitions, which can outflank both major parties and elect candidates untainted by special interest money and influence.

These capabilities are further described in 2012: How U.S. Voters Can Wrest Control of Congress from Special Interests on the reinventingdemocracy.us website. “

High Kudos and congrats to you my friend….You are
one of the few here who have come up with some very constructive comments.
Haven’t completely perused both links yet but the IVCS http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/74288
is certainly one concept that needs to be comprehensively explored by all.
I’d like to hear what others have to say about it.

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By moonraven, October 5, 2010 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

mdgr:

Thanks for not soiling your shorts at my post.

You seem to see the big picture, as they say.  (Whoever “they” are.)

What really mystifies me—and my mind is not easily boggled, is that folks just keep coming to these sites and posting as if they were immortal and that they had all the time in the world to masturbate non-existent options.

No wonder the US government, the IDF and other benevolent organizations contribute to these sites—they are safety valvues for dissipating what little ACTIVE posture is out there.

Pathetic.

Shameful.

When Kruschev took off his shoe and pounded it on the table at the UN in New York, and said:  We will bury you!”, he was wrong.

US folks:  You have buried yourselves.

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By jolly roger, October 5, 2010 at 11:29 am Link to this comment
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witholding truthful comments is a crime

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By mdgr, October 5, 2010 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

Silence, they say, is the voice of complicity.
But silence is impossible.
Silence screams.
Silence is a message,
Just as doing nothing is an act.

Let who you are ring out and resonate
in every word and every deed.
Yes, become who you are.
There’s no sidestepping your own being
or your own responsibility.

What you do is who you are.
You are your own comeuppance.
You become your own message.

You are the message.

May the Great Spirit make Sunrise in your Heart
Hoka Hey!

Leonard Peltier

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By Hammond Eggs, October 5, 2010 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

“All totalitarian movements, even those that are openly criminal, succeed because they have widespread mass support.”

This accurately describes the Republicans and the Democrats, including the fact that they have mass support and are openly criminal.  The D’s and the R’s are akin to the SA (brownshirts) and the SS (blackshirts) of the Nazi party.  Ultimately, the SA was liquidated.  The Democrats, desperately trying not to be liquidated by the Republicans, become Republicans in everything but name while still trying to sound like New Deal Democrats, a twisted enterprise that, at last, has turned out to be an undisguised and total failure. Their last resort now to keep their so-called “base” in line is to employ fear - fear that the Republicans are worse than they are.  In this, they are helped by naive souls like Michael Moore, Robert Scheer, Bernie Sanders and a host of others who keep telling Progressives to vote “liberal” - “liberal” being Clinton, Obama, Rahm Emanuel and the whole rotten DLC mafia that has destroyed the Democratic party.  No thanks.

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By Gmonst, October 5, 2010 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

There are many things people can do besides solitary reflection and growth.  They can live differently, and they can try to find other people in their vicinity who also want to live differently.  This can mean something as simple as forming a credit union or food co-op.

Further on, people can think of ways of withdrawing their work, energy, and wealth from the existing state and its wars and of helping others to do the same.  That’s real revolution, not the stuff with guns and flags and barricades, which is more of the same.

I fully agree with you, but I think this sort of thing only happens because of personal inner change.  The internal manifests in the external.  To change how you think about and view the world is going to change how you act in the world.  If we keep running on internal scripts of conflict and strife instead of communication, cooperation, dignity and respect, we will remain part of the problem.  Even if we drop out of the system. 

What you are discussing I believe is the fruit of what I am discussing.  As we change ourselves we recognize others who are also changing and cooperation is a natural result.  All I am saying is it starts on a personal level, and it requires respect for not only those you agree with but respect for those you don’t.

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By StuartH, October 5, 2010 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

Violence as a solution to our problems is no solution.  What progressive
reforms have been achieved over the generations would be wiped away in
favor of a thug state, probably a lot like the Pinochet regime in Chile. 

Progressives who think it may be to their advantage to start a violent overthrow
ought to really contemplate what has actually happened in history.  Mostly,
those with any liberal leanings were lined up against the wall and shot.

The only way out of this conundrum is through something most don’t really
have the patience for.  Really doing the homework to get to know the
comprehensive truth as opposed to the comic book version.  Really becoming
committed in a long term effort to promote some particle of progressive
reform. 

This obsession with elites come from stark raving ignorance about how the
world really works and what might change the way it does for the better.

Anyone here could become somebody considered “elite.”  It would just take
refocusing one’s life around the ambition to achieve the largest possible profit.
Those people are empowered by - us. 

The money in the system comes from us.  When we buy something, it
becomes a profit, which then becomes combined in pooled investments that finance something that produces more profit.  Any money we might have in a checking account or a savings account or in some retirement funds or stocks are in these pooled investment funds.

At some level, people who are really jazzed about money are managing
investments in the trillions of dollars.  That money came from us as consumers. 

Do these people know what they are doing in any more coherent way than the
people here do, if the comments actually are representative?  Most likely not.
When they make mistakes they are huge.  But they make mistakes, especially
when they get to thinking that they are smarter than they really are.

So, gaining more discipline and focus and commitment could actually become a
way to change things for those who want to see a more progressive world.  It
just takes a broader understanding of what is really going on. 

Today would be a good day to start and that would be a revolution.

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By mdgr, October 5, 2010 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

Moonraven, like Chris, is also in touch with her (his?) anger. Nor in this post does it obfuscate. Instead, it was equally luminous.

Just a sidebar here, but it also needs to be said. I had a conversation with a friend. She’s into the “conspiracy” schtick. She isn’t Jewish, but I am (by birth, not in terms of any loyalties). She opined that just like Blacks could use the “N” word with impunity, but Whites couldn’t, she felt that she could not criticize Israel without appearing antisemitic.

I told her that she could and encouraged her to do so. While I vigorously condemn racism, AIPAC isn’t a race, it’s a lobbyist front. If non-Jews and Jews do not openly condemn the genocidal and despicably arrogant policies of Israel, the pogroms will soon enough begin in earnest, and then it will be racial.

So Moonraven was right to include the allusion to zionism too. If was said without racist inflection, and I’m glad that someone finally had the courage to talk about the “untouchable” elephant hiding under our living room carpet.

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By balkas, October 5, 2010 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

As i have said often on other sites: about 300mn+ americans have same or
similar needs: right to work, education, information, peace, healthcare,
freedoms,security,safety, monies for dental care-food-medicine,etc.

Once they find out how much money is available, then, that much wld be used
for their needs.
Once we educate people about what they need or even only think what they
need, the knowledge elicits the question: How can we equally share of what is
ours, regardless how much of it is available?

This wld beg another question, who’s preventing us from sharing in whats is
ours?
And an inquiry begins!
However, such an idea, being democratic [amounting to sharing governmental-
economic-monetary-educational powers], it wld be rejected, and if need
arises- by tanks.

What people need to do is to entirely forget about being amercians solely and
foeever. They ought to think of selves first of all as humans; needing a life for a
human and not as an ‘american’. “American”, of course, labelling a fiction!
But not joe 1, peter 1 and so on!
However, most of these people are addicted to God Bless America, [holy[
constitution, money, flag, americanism, right to self defenese [mostly for ‘jews’
and americans] Greatness of America-its flag, etc.

Yet all i have done is to list mere labels, mere symbols—realities being
s’mthing else. In add’n, these symbols are imbued with false symbolic values.
They mean opposite of what the ‘educators’ have told u they mean.  tnx

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By Jolly Roger, October 5, 2010 at 11:12 am Link to this comment
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A bullet in the brain of all elitist government and corporate factions, IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.
You cannot overcome liars and cheats and greed.
Show me a faster and more convincing method. 
Try to convince yourself otherwise.
You cannot. 
You won’t live that long.
Keep thinking in the meanwhile.

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By hlouisnini, October 5, 2010 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

OK Mr. Hedges I’ll renounce Obama if you will - but first tell me what are our alternatives - throwing a bomb is one thing - governing a nation is another - maybe you meant remind instead of renounce - remind Obama of the moral courage it took just for him to get where he is - remind him that Democrats winning isn’t everything - remind him that showing the moral courage to face down the ‘nuts’ in both parties to serve those most in need will be rewarded not the Military-Industrials, not the Lawyers, not Wall St, not mega banks, and certainly not Russia, Germany, Japan, North Korea, Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan- ask FDR -

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By Fat Freddy, October 5, 2010 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

As long as we have enough pizza, beer, and ball games, we will not revolt.

Jenny said, when she was just about five years old
`You know, my parents are gonna be the death of us all
Two TV sets and two Cadillac cars
Well, you know, ain’t gonna help me at all`

Then, one fine morning, she turns on a New York station
She doesn’t believe what she hears at all
Ooh, she started dancin’ to that fine, fine music
You know, her life was saved by rock’n'roll
Yeah, rock’n'roll

Despite all the computations
You could just dance to that rock’n'roll station
And baby, it was all right, yeah
Hey, it was all right
Hey, here she comes now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkbpmFOuKrc&feature=related

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By mdgr, October 5, 2010 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

Amen.  Seering depth on insight, Chris, and, as usual, an equal depth of passion that never ever obfuscates, but instead always illuminates.

I will probably never meet you in person, but you are a much valued companion in these dark and troubled times. Problem is that too many other people who should be equally inspiring in their role as “thought leaders” were probably at the gathering in D.C., “hoping against hope” that Vichy would once again come through—or that a sow’s ear will somehow be turned into a silk purse.

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By Funny Shit, October 5, 2010 at 10:52 am Link to this comment
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Times right now are absolutely horrible. Action needs
to be taken. Jobs need to be created. The wealth needs
to be spread out. It is ridiculous where America has
landed today. It’s most certainly not a funny joke at
all.

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By moonraven, October 5, 2010 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

Several years ago someone on another phoney progressive site told me to put my money where my big mouth was and tell folks how to make a revolution in the US.

I did.

There are approx. 300 million folks in the US. If two million descended on Washington (knocking out the electrical power supply to the city before entering, according to Che Guevara’s essays on guerrilla warfare, could be useful) in vehicles everything would come to a halt. 

Paralyzed.

Like you are now.

Hell, Washington is not much bigger than my back patio, folks!

From then on, it’s your decision what you want to do with the pork-barrellers and zionist shills and fronts for Big Guns and Big Banks.

The response to this simple plan was:  Some folks could get killed!

No shit, Sherlock.  If I remember right, a fair number of folks died in the tax revolt of the wealthy landholders against the Brits that was self-named the American Revolution.  (Not those wealthy lanholders, of course.)

Cowardice, that’s what has brought you folks to the humiliating position that you are in (bent over, with your pants dropped waiting to take it in the ass).

As a Native American, I really shouldn’t be giving you folks any counsel.  It’s not in my interest to let you have any more time to turn radioactive the few corners of Turtle Island that are not toxic waste dumps.

You are not going to save yourselves.

So at least have some dignity—if courage isn’t available to you—and go quietly into the dustbin of history.

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By Nancy Bordier, October 5, 2010 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

I attended the One Nation rally here in D.C. on Saturday. Although the crowd and the speakers were hugely inspiring, what put a damper on the whole thing was the impossibility of enacting any of the policies being advocated as long as special interests and the two major parties backed by the special interests determine who gets elected and what laws are passed.

The system is so corrupt and unresponsive to the electorate that even a prominent establishment figure like Thomas Friedman is talking about the consensus developing within the establishment about the need to break the two party duopoly (see his New York Times article Third Party Rising published last Saturday). Here are two key paragraphs:

“I’ve just spent a week in Silicon Valley, talking with technologists from Apple, Twitter, LinkedIn, Intel, Cisco and SRI and can definitively report that this region has not lost its ‘inner go.’ But in talks here and elsewhere I continue to be astounded by the level of disgust with Washington, D.C., and our two-party system — so much so that I am ready to hazard a prediction: Barring a transformation of the Democratic and Republican Parties, there is going to be a serious third party candidate in 2012, with a serious political movement behind him or her — one definitely big enough to impact the election’s outcome.”

“There is a revolution brewing in the country, and it is not just on the right wing but in the radical center. I know of at least two serious groups, one on the East Coast and one on the West Coast, developing ‘third parties’ to challenge our stagnating two-party duopoly that has been presiding over our nation’s steady incremental decline.”

But merely creating third parties will not overturn the Democratic/Republican duopoly because the legal structure of the country’s electoral system (e.g. “winner-take-all” rules, gerrymandered electoral districts, etc.) will enable the two major parties to retain their electoral and legislative dominance for the foreseeable future.

Third parties such as the two newbies to which Friedman refers, however well funded and even if endowed with “a serious political movement”, will not prevent the despised Democrats and Republicans to stay in power even in 2012. That’s because they will fragment the electorate into voting blocs that do not have enough votes to beat Democratic and Republican candidates backed by the special interest money machines that are mushrooming all over the country, in the aftermath of the recent U.S. Supreme Court decision in Citzens United v. FEC.

There is only one way to overturn the duopoly and that is the Interactive Voter Choice System (IVCS) described by Joseph Firestone in A Global View of the Interactive Voter Choice System.

IVCS enables voters to win elections at all levels of government, AND avoid fragmenting the electorate, by creating a national network of inter-connected, voter-controlled, grassroots voting blocs that can get control of existing parties and build winning electoral coalitions, which can outflank both major parties and elect candidates untainted by special interest money and influence.

These capabilities are further described in 2012: How U.S. Voters Can Wrest Control of Congress from Special Interests on the reinventingdemocracy.us website.

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By harry, October 5, 2010 at 10:42 am Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges, makes many brilliant points. One clear point is the complete folly to march and protest without acknowledging that the people who you put in power have failed you, miserably. The political system completely failed and the vacuum created has historically sired fascism. So Obama must realize he’s not on a long hard road but he’s looking over the precipice.

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By Guitarsandmore805, October 5, 2010 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

You may say it does not good and you are right if we remain polite little boys and girls.  Now think back to the Rodney King event in L.A. during the 90s.  People were not so polite.  Truck drivers were pulled from their cabs and beaten.  Stores were looted and destroyed.

Now we have a black president, we have millionaire hip hop artists in their “cribs” on the MTV.  All part of the plan to appease the rioting black minority.  All part of the plan.

We need to up the stakes.

Not so polite.

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By surfnow, October 5, 2010 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

The two reforms that have to take place or no significant change will occur are campaign finance reform, and the second is addressing the stranglehood that Korporations hold over the MSM. In 1900 there were over 95 daily newspapers in New York City- many of which were owned by individuals - not companies- who were leftists, progressives and socialists. This is why the Progressive Era occurred- the people were informed and demanded reform. The only real truths on the internet, such as this site, are basically ” preaching to the choir.”

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By naomipaz, October 5, 2010 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

I am writing to expand on this sentence in the text:

All totalitarian movements, even those that are openly criminal, succeed because they have widespread mass support.

While that seems true, what all totalitarian regimes and movements encourage and then “respond to” is fear. Fear of the straw dog enemy (communism, terrorism, capitalism,judaism, islam) fear of chaos, fear of the appearance of weakness.

I would like to remind you and your readers of the Rosenstrasse Protest against the Nazi regime by unarmed women in 1943:

http://www.chambon.org/rosenstrasse_evans_en.htm

The reason that totalitarian regimes and movements engender fear is because they MUST have the compliance of the populace.  Without it they are lost, since they are the few (manipulating er) governing the many.

It took a week of protesting but the women won and their Jewish husbands were returned to them, some from Auschwitz, because Hitler understood VERY well that without the compliance of all the German people he could lose power.  He didn’t want a few hundred German women stirring up trouble.

What such governments rely upon in addition to the fear which they engender (anybody hear of the Patriot Act and colored alerts) is ignorance of the vastness of our own power when we simply say NO, NOT IN MY NAME.

Recalling some more provocative words:

Let them march all they want, as long as they continue to pay their taxes - Alexander Haig.


naomipaz

If we rendered unto God all the things that belong to God there would be nothing left for Caesar.
- Dorothy Day

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By Jende, October 5, 2010 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

As long as we have enough pizza, beer, and ball games, we will not revolt.

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By balkas, October 5, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

To my knowledge, no war, protest, armed rebellion, sitin,
complaint,bookburning,bookwriting,letterwriting,tankthinking, peacemarching,
jeremiahs,wishthinking ever changed the basics or as some people say, the
invariance under transformation; i.e. basic structure staying the same—size of
crumbs, amount of freedom in serfdom varying..

Chris may have read my posts. In many of which we say: only an equivalent
power can thwart or defeat another power.
The global rulers understand that no country is ruled from streets or even
parliaments, senates, sabor, duma, diet,knesset.
Solely wealth ruled in every land and since ca 10 kyrs ago. No amount of
revolution or evolution wld change that, we assert.

People knew this in just about every land and since at least 10 k yrs! All wars
waged to date are about the sameness and not any any novelty
tnx

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By Anarcissie, October 5, 2010 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

Gmonst, October 5 at 1:47 pm:

‘... Its also clear that politics will have very little impact unless the people change.  What’s really left as an option is internal cultural change.  Its only possible by sincere and honest self-reflection and personal growth.  We have to realize that these “corporatists” are really just running on the same selfish scripts the rest of us are running on.  They are you and me, not some different breed. ...’

No, there is one major difference: presumably the ruling class or leadership are at least trying to take control of their own lives, as well as everyone else’s.  They’re not sitting around passively sighing about the awfulness of everything.

There are many things people can do besides solitary reflection and growth.  They can live differently, and they can try to find other people in their vicinity who also want to live differently.  This can mean something as simple as forming a credit union or food co-op.

Further on, people can think of ways of withdrawing their work, energy, and wealth from the existing state and its wars and of helping others to do the same.  That’s real revolution, not the stuff with guns and flags and barricades, which is more of the same.

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By gerard, October 5, 2010 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

Anarchissie asks:  “Can we have some ideas?”  Thanks for that!
1.  Headquarters at a Quaker college or a university that has a strong Peace Studies department, where knowledge and experience with non-violent social and political resistance and alternatives to violence can be taught experientially and where the history and strategic successes can be analyzed, interiorized and understood.
2.  Money raised to support young people who want to attend such forums with the promise to carry teachings to the local community level in the form of teach-ins and local actions.
3. Take seriously the “each one teach one” mantra; encourage personal dedication to learning and teaching. “The beginning is you; the end is never.”
3. Focus all teaching and learning on mass non-violent strategy and actions, large or small. Teach vigilance, understanding of causes and necessary remedies. Teach the counterproductiveness of rage and antagonism. Emphasis on cooperation and collective bargaining strategies.
4. From the beginning, take on specific projects after analysis and strategy planning.  Work for cooperation wherever and whenever possible. Emphasize mutuality.  Collate local and national goals and actions. 
I know all this sounds “in the head-ish” but on paper it is bound to be abstract.  People will learn as we go, and hopefully remain open to practical changes along the way.  Intercommunication is crucial.
  Please help by internalizing this and make alternative suggestions or add personal experiences.
One difficulty is that so few have had any experience or knowleldge of this subject. We are starting from ground zero, literally.  Quakers and other pacifists can offer a kind of head-start due to their history and experience, limited though it is. At least it’s something to build on.

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By logkAW, October 5, 2010 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

@JDmysticJD
You said: “Hedges’ analysis of current and historical realities is flawlessly astute, but what he advocates will increase, rather than diminish, the very real atrocities he enumerates.”

Chris Hedges said: “We will blunt these rising anti-democratic forces only when we organize outside conventional systems of power. It means dismantling the permanent war economy and the corporate state. It means an end to foreclosures and bank repossessions. It means a functional health care system for all Americans. It means taking care of our poor and unemployed. And it means a system of government that is freed from corporate interests.”

Hedges understands very well that the Nazis took power through non-violent means.  He also enumerates the many violent forces against democracy and the citizen that already exist.  He seeks to end these violent forces.  It is very obvious that in order to do so, a “struggle” or “uprising” must take place.  If you are worried that people might lose their lives, homes, or well-being in this struggle, then you are simply ignoring that this violence, by anti-democratic forces, is already taking place without any serious struggle attempting to counteract it.  He is claiming that this struggle will not take place or be meaningful until it works outside the system, i.e. stopping asking Obama to really be Obama, or hoping the Democrats will be more like Kucinich or Sanders.  The idea that these forces can only be counteracted by pacifist idealism is also false and reckless.  For democracy, for freedom, for the end of violence, you must not be willing to kill; you must be willing to die.

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By BR549, October 5, 2010 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

StuartH, October 5 at 1:30 pm
“The problem is that we are a nation of 300 million people in a world of over 6
billion.  Our nervous systems however, evolved from living in groups of fewer
than a few thousand.  No wonder so many people are just freaking out instead
of actually developing the further capacity of the Cro Magnon brain that is
famously unused.”

Very well said.

One of my points was that we actually PAY these people who have convinced us
that they are of sufficient intellectual capacity to either develope solutions
themselves or hire people who can formulate solutions. We aren’t paying these
blowhards to pontificate in $5,000 suits and then lead us to oblivion because
they were too lazy to read a bill.

Ron (Dr. No) Paul, has gotten his reputation because he he refuses to sign bills
that he hasn’t read or which are too large and legally over-referenced for
legislators to make any realistic sense of.  That is a good enough starting point
for me. Back to bare basics.

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By Gmonst, October 5, 2010 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

Another week, another Chris Hedges article highlighting the situation with the usual hopeless tone, albeit a little less ‘sky is falling’ than usual.  He is good at pointing out the flaws in the system.

I get the feeling that he is not even completely sure what he means when he says rebellion and revolution.  This isn’t 1776, armed revolution is not possible in the age of drones and electronic surveillance.  Armed conflict would only exacerbate the situation and give someone to focus hate on.

Its also clear that politics will have very little impact unless the people change.  What’s really left as an option is internal cultural change.  Its only possible by sincere and honest self-reflection and personal growth.  We have to realize that these “corporatists” are really just running on the same selfish scripts the rest of us are running on.  They are you and me, not some different breed. 

Notice those times in your own life when you choose selfishness over compassion, callousness over caring.  Also notice how we live in system that reinforces the callousness and puts us in fear of being taken advantage of by our fellow man.  As that fear grows we become mistrustful, spiteful, and hard-hearted.  Notice too how our primitive survival mechanisms cause us to fear lacking for something even when we have much, how as we gain the desire for more gain grows.  How that fear will never feel there is enough to keep survival.  Ultimately it is a fear of our own death that we have to make peace with.  Its the fear that really drives all others. 

Its only by us personally, one by one, looking into our own hearts and trying on daily basis to conquer that fear, realizing that sometimes its better to open your heart and be taken advantage of than to keep your heart closed.  Look at others, no matter how low, or high with respect and ofter the dignity of that respect.  Its deeply personal work, an inner revolution that can and will spread if we can honestly look and reform our own selfish corporatist within.  We must come to terms with the idea that no amount of accumulation or change will alter our mortality. 

The reality is we are the system too, we are the ones who with our choices day after day create the values of selfishness, of minimizing the value of others, of being ambitious and collecting beyond our needs.  From the poorest to the richest we are all taking part in this culture.  We change the culture by changing ourselves.  Call out cruelty, call out hypocrisy, call out selfishness, cheating, lying and all that, but we can’t forget to call it out within ourselves as well.  That’s the only solution I know of, and the truth is its really difficult.

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By StuartH, October 5, 2010 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

In reply to BR549, who said,

“At least Chris is expressing how the majority of people feel and if he can help
unite us on that one front, it’s far more constructive than someone sitting back
and doing nothing but hypocritically criticizing the criticizers.”

Hedges expresses how some people feel, and I would stress the word, “feel.” 
My criticism of this meme is that it is evangelical in that a light headed
scintillation from hyperventilation is confused with real thinking.  Really a Tea
Party of the Left, and again probably because Hedges spent a huge amount of
time hanging with evangelicals.

I remember working a number of elections in which people who proclaimed
themselves to be very concerned about the very same general conditions were
nonetheless absent when the time to stand up and be counted came. 

People who are too flaky to get their act together locally are not going to have
the intellectual strength or the guts to actually produce the committed
solutions advocacy really needed. 

The problem is that we are a nation of 300 million people in a world of over 6
billion.  Our nervous systems however, evolved from living in groups of fewer
than a few thousand.  No wonder so many people are just freaking out instead
of actually developing the further capacity of the Cro Magnon brain that is
famously unused.

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By LadyR, October 5, 2010 at 9:23 am Link to this comment
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Bring the American Revolution II on!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Fat Freddy, October 5, 2010 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie

There are still many Ron Paul supporters that feel the GOP can be “reformed” into a more libertarian position. LP members reject the two-party system. Like I said, the LP is making advances from the very bottom. Part of our problem is the two-party establishment. If you look at Pennsylvania, there is no third-party candidate on the statewide ballot, thanks to both Republicans and Democrats. Sestak forced the Green Party candidates off, and Corbet forced the LP candidates off. They did this with just the threat of legal challenges. In PA, 3rd party candidates need 20,000 signatures, Ds and Rs need 2,000. If a D or R challenges the signatures of a 3rd party candidate, and one signature is incorrect, the 3rd party candidate is responsible for all legal fees incurred by the challenger. Since most 3rd party candidates have limited resources, a threat is enough to force a candidate to drop out. Nice, eh? That’s our democracy at work.

In FLA, LP Senate candidate Alex Snitker can’t get in on a debate. He was snuffed by NBC and Univision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXh-JFF5XPg&p=26BE11A0EEB00EBD&playnext=1&index=33

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By JDmysticDJ, October 5, 2010 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

“We can hold One Nation marches every week. It will not make any difference until we revolt against the formal structures of power.”

I’m confused, if we were to hold One Nation marches every week, wouldn’t that be popular revolt against the formal structures of power?

“… a functional health care system for all Americans. It means taking care of our poor and unemployed. And it means a system of government that is freed from corporate interests.”

Hedges ignores that the objectives he says One Nationers can not accomplish, are the very objectives One Nationers marched for, and seek to achieve.

“Mass support for anti-democratic movements …” Is in fact “…caused by skillful dissemination of misinformation or brainwashing.” Hedges is trying his damndest to disseminate misinformation, and to brainwash, in order to create an anti-democratic movement.” “Speakers may have called for jobs, but none would call on citizens to abandon the rotting hull of the Democratic Party and our moribund political system …” “The speakers at the rally proposed working within the current electoral system…” One Nation, “Americans are aware that it [Our government] has been gamed by corporate interests,” and they seek to bring an end to the corporate gaming, by “…working within the current political system…”

“But Sharpton and the other speakers, too close to the power elite in the Democratic Party, did not call for rebellion.”

How close is too close? Sharpton is too close to the “Power elite” in the Democratic Party? I would think that Sharpton could be considered a “Professional Progressive” at odds with the “Power elite” in the Democratic Party. Hedges appears to be calling for support for the “Power Elite” who are calling for rebellion, such as himself.

“There was no war cry against Wall Street and the purveyors of death in the defense and health industry. There was no acknowledgement that unfettered capitalism and globalization are killing our ecosystem and creating a worldwide system of neo-feudalism. There was no acceptance that the corporate state must be dismantled if we are to save ourselves. Any effective resistance must begin with a condemnation of our political elite and liberal institutions, including the press, the universities, labor, the arts, religious institutions and the Democratic Party, for selling us out. But the speakers on the mall in Washington would not go there. And I suspect, for this reason, the Americans who are hurting most found nothing they said of interest.”

There may not have been the cry for “War” that Hedges desires, but there clearly was a cry against the abuses Hedges lists. The One Nationers did most certainly condemn certain political elites, but their condemnation was inadequate to Hedges because it did not include “… liberal institutions, including the press, the universities, labor, the arts, religious institutions and the Democratic Party…” Well let me put the lie to that statement, I as a supporter of One Nation marchers, condemn one member of the press who seeks to incite chaos, which will facilitate a reactionary destruction of: “The press, the universities, labor, the arts, religious institutions and the Democratic Party…” Americans who are hurting and found nothing said by the One Nationers to be interesting, are infected by an understandable, but self defeating cynicism, a cynicism which is spread by Hedges, and by people of his ilk.

My criticism of Hedges could go on and on, on a point by point basis, but what’s the point? The point is that Hedges fails to see that his advocacy for rebellion and chaos, rather than constructive action, will provide the perfect environment for a “Rising proto-fascist movement.”

Hedges’ analysis of current and historical realities is flawlessly astute, but what he advocates will increase, rather than diminish, the very real atrocities he enumerates.

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By archivesDave, October 5, 2010 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

BR549..
Yup, their lips r muvin so they HAVE to be lyin’.

Bernie Sanders seems to be one of the few good guys
since he at least has the balls to challenge Bernanke and the Fed Reserve: “What did you do with that missing TWO TRILLION DOLLARS”???
Bernanke’s response: “I’m not going to tell you…”
Yes, we certainly do have the best govt that money can buy!

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By BR549, October 5, 2010 at 9:03 am Link to this comment

StuartH, October 5 at 12:10 pm

Put down your double grande mocha soy latte, hang up on that cell phone call
to your broker and reread what you just wrote. WTF?

Did you bother to even read what Hedges’ message was or did you start
formulating your position statement on it after the first sentence? Methinks the
latter.

The problem with solutions, here, is that the legislators and powerbrokers who
have gotten us into this mess sit by and watch our game strategy in order to
plan their next move. They KNOW that they are pushing everyone’s buttons.
They KNOW that each president from Reagan on forward were intimately
responsible in this demise and yet they continue to steer the ship onto the
rocks. I notice all you did was criticize and offered nothing in the way of
solutions, yourself. How armchair of you.

At least Chris is expressing how the majority of people feel and if he can help
unite us on that one front, it’s far more constructive than someone sitting back
and doing nothing but hypocritically criticizing the criticizers.

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By OldUncleDave, October 5, 2010 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

“There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part; you can’t even passively take part, and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop. And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!”
- Mario Savio, Dec 3 1964

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By Queenie, October 5, 2010 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

Chris Hedges -

Dr. Feelgood he ain’t.

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By M L, October 5, 2010 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
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I agree with you Chris. We need a mondern day Eugene Debs (Senator Bernie Sanders) who worked all his life, and even spent time in prison, supporting the working class and the poor. Bernie can harness that same energy by reaching out to the disenfranchised - the people who don’t even bother to vote because they feel their lives will not be changed or improved.  These people need to know that “someone” cares about them.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, October 5, 2010 at 8:43 am Link to this comment
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There will be a meeting of the DISMANTLE THE CORPORATE STATE COMMITEE on Friday 10/08 at 7PM.  Bring your own weapons and ammo.

Hedges has to sound as radical as possible to sell his books.  There’s a lot of competition out there.  He learned from the radical right that making outrageous statements is the way to stand out in the crowd.

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By BR549, October 5, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

G. Anderson,
“Stop buying from corporate crooks instead buy local.”

As long as there are WalMarts and the poor and undereducated are still allowed
to vote, they will always sabotage themselves, in lemming fashion. And instead
of upgrading that segment of the population, the House and Senate continually
vote to continue this destructive spiral.

They’ll all tell you how hard they are trying to better the lives of their fellow
Americans; that bullshit, but at the end of the day, after they’ve all given the
same lame-ass speeches and cast their votes in Congress and the Senate, we
somehow always manage to go further into the toilet than out of it. Obviously,
someone has to be lying.

I propose that we send our esteemed legislators a token of our appreciation in
the way of a Ty-D-Bol tablet with the message, “Clean up that toilet!” For the
stubborn blowhards in Congress, perhaps a bar of ExLax would be a better
message.

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By Anarcissie, October 5, 2010 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

Fat Freddy—I’ve been hearing about the Libertarian Party for many years now.  I find its electoral non-performance rather odd.  I suppose a lot of small-L libertarians are too put off by government to even vote for big-L Libertarians.  But the Libbits should be able to catch some of those Tea Partiers being kicked out of the Tea Parties.  Didn’t some political party once have the slogan ‘THIS TIME FOR REAL’?  Anyway, now it’s up for grabs.

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By archivesDave, October 5, 2010 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

Mrfreeze:

“There is a far more powerful act of protest in today’s America if one wants to “stick it to the man”:

Move to another country.”

In case you haven’t noticed,  many of these other countries are undergoing similar problems to our own.
The ‘gravy train’ in Greece, Spain, GB, Ireland, France, Mexico, etc has crashed and most other countries are about to experience the same problems.

No country on earth will be immune to what is about
to occur unless we the people wake up very fast to
who the Corporatists really are and what in deed are
their short and long range goals.

Research Adrian Salbuchi, G Edw Griffin, Michael Ruppert, and Dr Nicholas Hagger.  Start with Michael Ruppert and Hagger’s book ‘The Syndicate’.
You can get most of the material on youtube except
for Hagger whom you’ll have to dig a little deeper
for but it’ll be WELL worth it.

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By StuartH, October 5, 2010 at 8:10 am Link to this comment

Hedges spent, apparently, too much time among the evangelicals.  Extreme
emotional reaction without the burden of solutions-oriented thinking is the
earmark of the evangelical/Tea Party movement.

What about the day after the “revolution”  do we not still need zoning and the
complex regulations that keep a society of hundreds of millions,
interconnected with the billions of humans on the planet from becoming a
danger to itself?

Solutions.  They don’t come from losing patience with having to think. 

The amount of depth going into general political debate in any public forum is
totally pathetic.  Cartoonish, perhaps Classics Illustrated at best. 

How are people who are too impatient to deal with current situations supposed
to cope with rebuilding a complex society from scratch?  A third party?  Hugely
more complicated than just getting in there and dealing with the challenge of
influencing the existing structure. 

Why is it that multinationals have so much capability in political terms?  They
hire the best and the brightest from the universities, especially graduate
schools. 

A bunch of media mesmerized people too impatient to actually follow the
difference between what appears to be going on are going to out do the
thousands of MBAs program, law school, public affairs, and other graduates
that every year are added to the bargain?

This is one more example of how perfectly good people get seduced by the
need to make money as pundits to extreme thinking that is not connected to
anything other than that. 

Solutions to real problems such as the results of trade agreements like NAFTA
that get formulated by specifically locking labor and human rights concerns
and environmental regulation out of the negotiation process, will require
several things:

More people need to have the discipline to actually read enough to grasp what
the deal really is.  The more people really understand this, the better the
chances are that political action might precipitate into progressive reform.
But, without that consciousness in a significant number of people, the
opposition to this remains just a bunch of sheep bleating in the corral.

Think about the immigration issue.  The left argues from the standpoint of
being locked into right wing frames without appearing to realize it. 

A lack of ability to analyze what is really going on does not suggest that the
day after the revolution anything will change.  People who can think
strategically are going to continue being on top.  People who just react
emotionally and cry for someone else to do the thinking, but on their terms are
destined to always be disappointed.

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