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Making Gun Safety (Politically) SafePosted on Dec 9, 2009When it comes to passing sensible gun laws, Congress typically offers Profiles in Cowardice. The National Rifle Association wields power that would make an Afghan warlord jealous because the organization is thought to command legions of one-issue voters ready to punish any deviationism from the never-pass-any-new-gun-laws imperative. Many legislators fear that casting a single vote for even a smidgen of restraint on weapons sales could be politically lethal. But imagine if members of the NRA were more reasonable than the organization’s leaders and supporters in Congress in understanding the urgency of keeping guns out of the wrong hands. NRA leaders, meet your members. It turns out that the people in the ranks actually are much wiser than their lobbyists. In a move that should revolutionize the gun debate, Mayors Against Illegal Guns decided to go over the heads of Beltway types and poll gun owners and NRA members directly. Advertisement “I support the NRA,” Luntz insists. What he doesn’t go for is the “slippery slope argument” that casts any new gun law as the first step toward confiscation. “When the choice is between national security and terrorism versus no limits on owning guns,” Luntz says, “I’m on the side of national security and fighting terrorism.” Most NRA members seem to agree. In his survey of 832 gun owners, including 401 NRA members, Luntz found that 82 percent of NRA members supported “prohibiting people on the terrorist watch lists from purchasing guns,” 69 percent favored “requiring all gun sellers at gun shows to conduct criminal background checks of the people buying guns” and 78 percent backed “requiring gun owners to alert police if their guns are lost or stolen.” Among gun owners who did not belong to the NRA, the numbers were even higher. It’s true that these gun owners, including NRA members, don’t buy broader forms of gun control. For example, 59 percent of NRA members opposed “requiring every gun owner to register each gun he or she owns as part of a national gun registry,” though I was surprised that 30 percent actually supported this. And gun owners continue to worry that President Barack Obama “will attempt to ban the sales of guns in the United States at some point while he is president.” Asked about this, 44 percent of NRA members said Obama “definitely” would and 35 percent said he “probably” would. Still, those surveyed stood behind the core idea that gun regulations and gun rights complement each other. The poll offered this statement: “We can do more to stop criminals from getting guns while also protecting the rights of citizens to freely own them.” Among all gun owners and NRA members, 86 percent agreed. NRA members also oppose the idea behind the so-called Tiahrt amendments passed by Congress. Named for Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., the rules prevent law enforcement officials from having full access to gun trace data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and require the FBI to destroy certain background check records after just 24 hours. Talk about handcuffing the police. The mayors’ poll offered respondents this statement, antithetical to the Tiahrt rules: “The federal government should not restrict the police’s ability to access, use, and share data that helps them enforce federal, state and local gun laws.” Among NRA members, 69 percent agreed. This survey should empower Congress to take at least some baby steps down the safe path the mayors’ group is trying to blaze. It could start by overturning the Tiahrt rules and keeping guns from those on terror watch lists. “There are too many public officials taking an absolutist position when they don’t have to,” Luntz says. “And they’re taking it not because they want to, but because they’re scared into doing it.” Mayor Tom Barrett of Milwaukee said in an interview that he and his colleagues are trying to send a clear message to gun owners: “If you have a gun you use for hunting or for self-defense in your home, I don’t want your gun.” What he does want are tougher rules on purchases that might have kept six of his city’s police officers from being shot with guns bought at the same gun store. A lot of gun owners get that. Previous item: Two Sides of the Obama White House Next item: The 'Human' Factor Missing in Copenhagen CommentsAre you a Truthdig member yet? Login now, or register with Truthdig. Add Your Comment |
By cctv system, April 6, 2011 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment
I agree, it’s not just a matter of who owns the guns but who else can get their hands on these dangerous weapons, children. Owning a gun isn’t wrong but when kids start using them with normalcy, that’s wrong.
Report thisBy aminahyaquin, September 29, 2010 at 6:29 pm Link to this comment
I would like to know, why my comment which is in any case supposed to be UNMODERATED for i am Registered—never appeared
Is it because i do not believe that gun control is any more than a politically dangerous wrong turn?
The only people who are expendable in this nation are those who are objectified and exploited and victimized. by thugs and bullies.
There are some among us who are sentimental and foolish enough to think that appeasement and cowardice will retrain a bully, a nut job, or aviolent thug. It is blatant disrespect to assert that training people in conflict resolution pprecludes training them also in self defense and that empowering folks to stand up to bullies and thugs somehow CREATES violence.
There is a terrific book by Abigail KOHn called “SHOOTERS” it is an oxford university eductaed scholar’s study of the gun culture in USA. If you are not mired in prejudice above and beyond truth seeking you might care to read it and learn something.
Guns are necessary to protect democracy and communties from crime and homes and individuals from becoming violence statistics. Now that is making a person expendable!
Report thisBy aminahyaquin, September 29, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment
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Capt. Ron
if you are not a manufactured schill for a anti-gun organization.
If you want to get kids not to be violent, then help to establish a society that is not violent…but don’t make the foolish and firghtening msitake of assuming that violence will cease because guns or ammo are outlawed. On the contrary. you will ensure more violence, and you will add more law-abiding citizens to the rolls of those who are victimized by violence.
The programs that i developed and ran in New York City for many eyars were extremely effective in stopping multi-generational violence.
The best way to stop violence is to stop creating people who are compulsively beahviorally disordered, ie addicted.Mass marketing of multiple addiciitons to sex, drugs , alcohol, tobacco, and gambling are among the most profitable enterprixses in the nation. Since this includes legalized addictive, DRAMATICALLY VIOLENCE ESCALATING drugs like has demonstrable track reocrd of keeping people addicted on methadone for life instead of using it to wean them from opoid addicitons, it is apparent that legalizing drugs and creating more drug slaves for corporate profit is really stupid selfish behavior itself.
Violence is an act chosen by a disrturbed individual from lakc of self control, or for from netal illness, or from repetitive behavioral compulsion. We need to interrupt the passing on of the behavior, not force p[eople to forego self-protectiuon and become victims. The Brady Bunch of anti-gun propaganda experts are twisting research to foment a movement based upon emotion rather than intelligence and truth.
Read SHOOTERS by Abigail Kohn..then you may open your mind a tiny bit.
Meanwhile, thank G-d we live in a nation where we do not have to be victimized by thugs and marauders.
Best thing we can all do to fight violence is to strengthen social goods at home and abraoad and stop being selfish plutocratic pigs and appeasers of gangsters and banksters.
Report thisBy airsoft king, September 28, 2010 at 3:02 am Link to this comment
Great article and one that deserves greater attention and at some level a serious response that indicates a concerned America. I too have a love affair with the historical nature of guns and weapons. I too enjoy some aspect of harmless sports, however to consider guns as a means of protection in the home is in my opinion just a shame and a sad representation that we are as stated above, expendable.
Report thisBy Paul_GA, December 15, 2009 at 5:27 am Link to this comment
Yes, Naz, and then there’s the high cost of ammo to consider. I haven’t been able to practice for a long time, other than dry firing, and it’s a drag.
Report thisBy Naz, December 14, 2009 at 10:17 pm Link to this comment
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Recently I asked at Wal-Mart for some .40 Cal. ammo and the reply was that they haven’t seen any in over a month. It just prevents me from practicing. I understand there will be changes coming concerning the purchasing of ammo. For example, proving you are a registered gun owner. That would be fine with me as long as there’s ammo on the shelf. The lack of ammo for the general public makes me very uneasy.
Report thisBy Paul_GA, December 14, 2009 at 8:11 am Link to this comment
I reckon so, Dihey; Obama recalls how gun control cost Bill Clinton “Congress control” way back in 1994, and he doesn’t want a repeat next November. Lightning CAN strike twice, y’know.
Report thisBy aminahyaquin, December 14, 2009 at 6:45 am Link to this comment
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We need to wake up and realize that the causes of cruel, aberrant criminal violence are not the tools like guns that protect us from it.The honest longstanding studies are unequivocable on this. What kind of politically driven conclusions and manipulated data the anti-gun lobbies are trying to sell us in order to protect their misguided theories in the place of fact, have been disowned by some of their own researchers who performed the studies—stating that the Bradybunch among others have misrepresented the data and science.
Violence is a multi-facted problem. For the most part it is driven by desperation, black market crime fueled by besotted and drug addicted criminals masquerading in the lower middle class,and among the working poor and marginalized disenfranchised souls we churn out in myriads.
In short, a ubiquitous and corruptive, violence producing black market criminal economy has bankrolled the bottom half of our new plutocracies to augment the less than living wage earnings that do not provide enough money to survive and exhibit wealth in cultures that define the attainment of wealth rather than the full development of mature, responsible, altruistic, achieving human beings to be its successes.
Children and adults learn violence at home, in school and in communities where they are not safe from it, witness it, and suffer from it personally. People carry the violence with them until or unless it is healed. We cannot eradicate much of the violence in our society until we make it possible for all our citizens to live productive healthy lives and raise families with actualized opportunity for achievements of their own. MUCH of the competitive, bigotrous violence of racial and other forms of prejudice have their root in social darwinism. People know they are disposable, cling tenuously to whatevr forms of security they can garner and feel because they are struggling so to keep a toehold in this economy that can provide happiness and progress for them in meaningful ways that there is not enough to go around and resent those in other groups from getting “theirs”.
Or they try to protect what little autonomy they have from those who would violate or corrupt them, especially those who first insult them and brutally disenfranchise them.
When people are violent, they will use acid, molotov cocktailes, knives, machetes, bats, boulders whatever comes to hand. I am grateful that where i live in a remote area on a small farm surrounded by mini-drug factories that re to some extent protected by the law who beneift from them that i ahve my guns and my neighbors know it. i hope to God i never have to use one…but it is most definitely deterrant.
Don’t be afraid of guns in the hands of sane and law-abiding citizens. We have ample laws on the books to protect us from thuggish vile criminals getting guns—but those laws are not enforced by the enforcers who are themselves corrupted by the corruption.
Report thisWe don’t need new gun laws, we need a new Elliot Ness and cadre of untouchables.
By dihey, December 14, 2009 at 5:51 am Link to this comment
“Profiles in Cowardice”.
When, if ever, will Mr. Dionne admit that it is not only our Congress but also the White House that is infected with this malady?
Report thisBy Paul_GA, December 13, 2009 at 9:40 am Link to this comment
Thank’ee kindly, Aminahyaquin. I, too, have never squeezed a trigger with intent to kill a human being, and hope and pray I never shall. My weapons are my “insurance”; I hope I never have to use them, but I’m awfully glad they’re there nonetheless.
Report thisBy aminahyaquin, December 13, 2009 at 9:00 am Link to this comment
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excellent points, Paul.
and mandinka—did you know that several of the scientists whose work ahs been appropriated by the Brady Bunch have pukked away from the conclusions that Brady politboro have drawn? we have to start by exploring facts rather than reactive imaginations.
where people are armed and protect their homes, crime goes down. and no, i have not and hope i nver have to use a firearm against a human being.however i can say with assuredness that being known to have guns is a deterrant, that is the case for me, and i have lived right next door to drug dealers one of whom threatened me. when i told him the next time he set foot on my porch i would blow him off it he never returned.
Report thisand, they actually moved because i called the police every time they had night crawlers for drugs.
but this is the thing. wherever people have armed themselves and learned how to handle a weapon and protect themselves and others, and in states where gunlaws are liberal, violence lessens. think about that. it would HELP these inner cities if they could not just walk into a home and tear it up; it would help battered women to be able to leave their husbands and have a firearm and no how to use it and be WILLING to use it because they valeued themselves and their children sufficiently to do so.
insofar as concealed weapons.
the major deaths due to gunshots are suicides, not homocides. of the homocides, the weapons were not concealed, they were intentionally bradished to scare others.
concealed weapons are a great pretective element. many of the mass murders would have been limited in scope if a sane civilian had been armed. fort hood ended only when armed personnel showed up at the scene.too bad those murdered soldiers had not their own personal weapons.
By Paul_GA, December 13, 2009 at 4:04 am Link to this comment
Availability is not the problem, CaptRon; as I see it, it’s attitude. Kids need to be inculcated with the attitude that firearms are for defense, not attack; that mass killers are evil, wicked, and stupid, and not worthy of emulation; that it’s not the weapon, but what’s in the weapon-wielder’s heart, that counts. And the best place to learn these things is not from the State (which, after all, hates the very idea of a right to keep and bear arms, the US Constitution notwithstanding), but from concerned private adults (usually but not always blood relations).
Report thisBy CaptRon, December 13, 2009 at 1:22 am Link to this comment
All you people protecting your family with guns, how many criminals have you killed-shot-scared away because they knew you had a gun? Your right to own a gun is not an issue for me. The children who get these guns, repeat children, and are using them in the streets most everywhere is an issue. Eliminating the number of available guns to the streets and/or the ability to fire them would be a start. Guns are being supplied more readily then drugs it seems, and crime is it’s partner and certain end result. If we can’t solve the availability problem, then reduce or eliminate the ready availability of ammunition. Yes, smuggling would occur and yes some casings would/could be reloaded, but the easy readiness would diminish. Most ammunition that can/would be reloaded are for guns that aren’t necessarily concealable. Yes other weapons could be used, even molotov cocktails as one said, but not necessarily concealable. What I’m after here is an alternative that slows concealed weapons, that makes traceability of supplies to reload casings easier. Supplies could be traced and less available, where these weapons are not traceable due to filed registration numbers etc. The supplies to make ammunition require more space where ready to use ammo can be concealed in ones pockets, easily reloaded into an unregistered weapon and possibly in the hands of anyone who can hold it and considers it power. Children are killed in the streets and in the homes by unlocked loaded weapons owned by someone keeping this gun to protect their family from crime. Hunters, I don’t want to eliminate your sport, patriots I don’t want to suppress your patriotism, human beings I do want you to be able to LIVE your lives free from death due to those who ARE irresponsible. Think here, there can be common ground for the betterment of all who cherish true freedom.
Report thisBy mandinka, December 12, 2009 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment
I never heard the NRA say that terrorists should be able to buy guns, the SC has already ruled that gun ownership is a right guaranteed by the constitution. Having said that ownership should be restricted to citizens no green card or illegal, no felons or nut jobs is a fair compromise.
Report thisWonder why Dioanne doesn’t subscribe to the same poll that reflect the public’s view on abortion that unless the women’s LIFE is in danger, rape or incest there is no right to an abortion. Gun ownership is spelled out in the constitution abortion was a dreamed up right
By aminahyaquin, December 12, 2009 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment
The comments above show a real dearth in comprehension about the etiology of teh violence in this nation, how its causes converge, and what must be done to prevent it—and to defend against according to the law and to centuries old rpinciple of self defense.
Report thisGuns don’t kill people. peioople kill people. A major reason that people kill others is because of black market crime and the use of drugs and alcohol. if you ban guns there will be molotov cocktail and acid attacks. people do not become less violent because you take away their weapon of choice. they turn to new weapons.
if we are going to build peace in our communities we must provide an alteranative for people in multiply besieged poor areas to work and gain education that is not an exercise in failure and futility. we must make it possible for families to live without resorting to the black market crime that fuels the only economy in thieir neighborhood. we musr stop the cycle of violence that begins with being victimized at home and in school and in one’s community. we must empower young people instead of allowing them to gain their sense of mastery from crime and cruelty.
Until we have accomplished this, i am thankful i live in a state where i can protect myself and my family and my small farm from the desperate and drug addicted.
after we do this, i will still be glad for the second amendment rights that i have in this nation and state unimpeeded to sleep at night knowing if i need to defend myself i can.
you must be strong to be gentle, and good people consistently underestimate the power and cruelty, the unlimited violence of evil in PEOPLE not in arms.
By Paul_GA, December 12, 2009 at 8:29 am Link to this comment
I would like to draw everyone’s attention to the following article from MSNBC:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34382626/ns/us_news-life/print/1/displaymode/1098
Headline: “Tenn. demonstrates trend of looser guns laws”.
And I would point out that, as ammunition is so small, it would be easier to smuggle it into this country (think of how easy it is to run drugs into the USA) than firearms; and also recall that hundreds of gun owners also reload ammunition (i.e., re-use cartridge cases by adding new bullets, primers and powder to said cases).
My point is, the true test of a democracy is how much freedom minorities have. Washington should leave us gun-owners alone; we are no danger to anyone but the criminals, who (obviously) would LOVE to see us disarmed so they can go about their nefarious work with relative impunity (remember, the cops can’t be everywhere, and they’re primarily a reactive force, not a pro-active one).
Report thisBy CaptRon, December 11, 2009 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment
Outlaw the manufacture of ammunition in this country. Let these manufacturers move out of the country with everything else. I realize there will be ammunition some-way some-how, but not manufactured in this country. Like drugs, the price will increase, especially if sale is illegal and it must be smuggled in. The military can have theirs but under their control. Far fetched I know, but something this silly seems to be the only way we will get any gun control to help get these guns out of the hands of kids and those who have complete disregard for a human life. Out of the hands of people who can’t just agree to disagree, they just shoot you to show their power. In my family and neighborhood, if we had a problem with someone we put on big old boxing gloves and threw punches until we couldn’t raise our arms anymore to throw another. Then we agreed to disagree and went about our way. We have to start to fix things through the children. Hitler was right about one thing, you create change on a large scale by starting with the youth. How simple is that, we just have to start taking the time to do it, quality time. Of course, this requires quality supervision by adults-parents. It can be done. By example, the worst issue of Black men was that they were never there to take responsibility for all the children they sired. There were no father figures on a large scale, common complaints by Black mothers. I watched when children grew, how much respect those now grown Black children had for their mothers. Those mothers gave of themselves but demanded these children better themself by commitment. It has changed, big time. I only hope the rest of the world takes an honest look at this, changes their ways, and we start to rebuild integrity and truly respectable adults. Also want to mention that the rich successful parents are as bad as Black fathers used to be. They supplant relationships with their children with material possessions as substitutes. They are not there for their children’s upbringing when technically they are there. Off text, maybe, but maybe not.
Report thisBy ColRon, December 11, 2009 at 10:18 am Link to this comment
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When ammunition is outlawed only outlaws will have ammunition.
Report thisBy CaptRon, December 10, 2009 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment
I’ll start and finish the same way:
Jim Brady-the political process, which you were a big part of with Reagan has deemed your life and safety expendable, along with the rest of us.
Note to gun owners and the NRA, I am not opposed with your right to own guns as much as the ability to buy and own the projectiles used in operation of these weapons. They are not weapons until they are fired. I’m sure Dick Cheney didn’t, and doesn’t, feel he was shooting a weapon when he shot his friend and hunting partner. So, own the guns if you must. I don’t want people to be able to fire them. Great collectors items and examples of history. Deadly in the hands of those with ammunition. You are correct, guns don’t kill people, people kill people. At least the ones with ammunition. I recommend the law should be to eliminate ammunition, for sale or manufacture or possession of. This can eliminate many of the guns on the streets being used in crime. Can we agree on this? I doubt it..thus I finish…
Jim Brady, your life and safety are expendable, as are we all.
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