rudyspeaks1, - “And having your Central Argument eviscerated didn’t really disprove your point”

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I’m sure you believe in what you write.  But you have eviscerated nothing.  You have simply given your “opinion”. Which, as it turns out, differs from my own.

I have spent 25 years of my professional life dealing with, and in, the Justice Department.  I am certain I know what is it I am writing about on this subject.  If you like dealing with facts you can explain, hopefully in an unemotional manner, how the U.S. Attorney General does not serve at the pleasure of the president.  You can explain how the Justice Department is not under the direct purview of the Executive Branch.

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You go on at terrific length making the entire subject personal. - To be very frank you would not be taken seriously in any board room, legislature, school board or city council.  You are far too emotional.

“Go Right Y.M.” You’re really doing nothing more than replicating the “paint-
by-numbers” responses of an authoritarian personality who’s wandered into an
argument backing an unsupportable position. You haven’t (probably aren’t
capable of) offered any counter-arguments to the posted objections. You
simply characterize them in a demeaning way in an attempt to invalidate them.
A reasoned criticism of your position is to “harangue and beat the hell out of” (?
). A DOJ investigation into serious malfeasance (their job, incidentally) is to
“scurrilously attack”. When your arguments are shredded and exposed as the
empty tripe they are, you retreat into the corner of solipsism, claiming our
differences are the result of our being “someone who does not see the world
as you do”. You’re right. We understand rational analysis, you live, as do 23% of
the population (those who test out as “authoritarian personalities”), in the
Middle Ages… The point of your original post was (I think) that ER was a
hypocrite because Holder’s DOJ was doing its job and that was somehow worse
than Liz Cheney’s vacuous venom-spewing. When the superficiality of your
understanding of the DOJ’s responsibilities and your confusion of them with
the President’s lawyer’s job was exposed, your case against ER was destroyed.
Your response? Oh, that distinction is a matter of personal taste, like having a
favorite color. And having your Central Argument eviscerated didn’t really
disprove your point (?). No… The basis of your post was illogical. It was proven
illogical by solid, well reasoned arguments which you never refuted. Your
subsequent posts were little more than the predictable ad hominem attacks
and tangential spin of a cornered rightie. If you offer a counter argument based
on logic I’ll respond, but more of your usual will be ignored,

ITW is correct.  Don’t waste your time with any point of view which fails to mimic your own.  That way you can keep your worldview very narrow and uninteresting.  You’ll never need to feel challenged, you’ll never feel the need to authentically listen to others points of view and you will never, ever, be asked to actually produce something constructive.

Life is a great deal easier if you never think for yourself.  Life is a great deal less troubling if you simply commiserate with those of like mind.

If you do find yourself in the unenviable position of being in the company of someone who does not see the world as you do be sure to harangue and beat the hell out of that person so you’ll never have to sincerity and authentically be interested in anyone but yourself.

Listen closely to ITW.  He seems to have the best outlook on life in general.  Keep it small!

Inherit The Wind, March 11 at 1:31 am

Thanks for the rather accurate perception of one who tries really hard to emulate a very intelligent propagandist like, for example, Marshall, and fails miserably.

Rudy, don’t waste your time.  Here’s a loose (OK REALLY loose) “translation” of what GRYM is saying…“Regardless of the context and facts, if the lawyers under Bush did it, it’s perfectly OK. But if the lawyers under Obama did it, it’s a crime.”

That’s really the sum total of EVERY argument he ever makes: If a Republican does it, it’s good. If a Democrat does it, it’s evil, Socialist and anti-American.  And he will bend, twist and break ANY fact to get there.

rudyspeaks1, - “My comments are not “interesting opinions”, nor are they opinions at all. They are facts”

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O.K.  I disagree with how you characterize past and current events and your knowledge of U.S. government.

Better?

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The Justice Department works under the direction of the Executive Branch after a confirmation of the Congress.  The U.S. Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the U.S. President. 

The President applies his authority over the Justice Department as the nation’s top law enforcement official and protector of the Constitution.  Civics 101.

You are entitled to your “point of view”.  Not your own facts.  Going on and on regarding what you “feel” about republicans is a waste of space and effort.

“Go Right Y.M.” My comments are not “interesting opinions”, nor are they opinions
at all. They are facts (that “opinion/fact” relationship is one that the right seems
not to understand). Your disagreement is not with me, but with the reality of the
basis of our legal system. Not that opposing reality is a precedent for the right
wing in America, a group that has been wrong on virtually every issue over my
lifetime. Again, if the current DOJ is investigating (not “scurrilously attacking”)
past malfeasance in the last administration, it is doing its job. If any of the named
officials’ lawyers present their best case in rebuttal then THEY will also be doing
their jobs. Your post clearly confuses the two. And yes, all of this addresses and
refutes entirely your point. Liz Cheney… hell, ANY Cheney… is a little but a
wellhead of hypocrisy. What else have they left? ER’s article limns this effectively
and, if it promotes any hypocrisy, no one has demonstrated it.

rudyspeaks1,

Interesting opinions you hold.  Nonetheless we will disagree.

The U.S. Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the President of the United States.

The Justice Dept. is a law enforcement agency which has the mandate to uphold the law and advise the Executive Branch on matters of law.

None of this is to be confused with the White House Counsel or the president’s personal attorney. 

These things have not changed for over 100 years.

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Of course none of this addresses or changes my point regarding the hypocrisy displayed in Eugene Robinson’s latest commentary.

1st) To “Go right Young Man”... Justice dept. officials are NOT supposed to
represent the members of the administration that they serve under. To assert
that that is “their job” is to display an appalling ignorance of the law. The
president has his own lawyer who is thus charged… the Justice Dept.‘s job is to
enforce US law regardless of who is violating it. For them to search for tortured
rationalizations to evade the law is perverse. A quick reading of “Watergate”,
specifically the events that led to the “Saturday Night Massacre”, might serve to
keep you from posting such embarrassing drivel in the future….2nd) Jon Ellis…
much as I love being cited, where in the world did you get your often displayed
fantasy about social classes? “Working classes” are dumber than “Ruling
Classes”?  This nonsense presumes a “Meritocracy” exists, a delusion no
rational being could maintain after the last 8 (30?) years. First, the only thing
keeping “ruling class” members like Geithner and Bernanke out of jail is their
assertion that they were to damned stupid to hear a fire bell, the housing bubble (which dozens of
others heard and TOLD THEM about) ringing in their ear. Second, if the
“working classes” are so limited that their thinking is 2nd rate, why do you
choose to quote one (that’d be me)?

I would also mention that Holder is not “super glued” to his job.  There is such a thing as resignation for appointed administration officials who prefer not to violate the Constitution.
What do politiciens dream of once in office? - The next election.

A Cheney is a deliberate liar and attempting to undermine our Constitution?  Oh the humanity!

A group that Eric Holder heads, called Justice Department, has spent the past 13 months scurrilously attacking the Justice Department officials because they “represented or advocated for the “Bush administration” after joining the administration. In other words, they did what lawyers are supposed to do in this country: ensure that even the most unpopular defendants have adequate legal representation and that the government obeys the law.

Holder is not ignorant, and neither are the other current Justice Dept. Lawyers trying to prosecute former Justice officials. Presumably they know that “the American tradition of zealous representation of unpopular clients is at least as old as John Adams’ representation of the British soldiers charged in the Boston Massacre”—in other words, older than the nation itself.

But there I go again, taking the whole thing seriously. This is really part of a “death by 1,000 cuts” strategy to wound the political opposition politically.

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Hypocrisy
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially :  the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy

Dear Eugene,

No sense giving Liz of the Neocons another thing to be finding.  That group is pretty well occupied finding WMD in Iraq, Bin Laden in Tora Bora, proof of trickle down economics working for all Americans, etc.

That she would have time to find her principles is about as absurd as the notion that she would care at all about them.  When your motto is “torture is good” any discussion of principles is really just not relevant.  Does any one any where have the least respect for this poor fool of a woman or her idiot father?  How could they.

Thank you for your good work,
Conrad C. Elledge

Keep America Safe.

That’s what the jack booted state trooper thought when he gave me the $25 no seat belt ticket the other day. (One of many).

Your free to go.

Absolutely, this spoiled brat is way over the line!
This insignifient young woman is invited to blabber on one talk show after another. She is invited because she is the daughter of an ex-vice-president.
Imagine if we had to listen to all the daughters of all the ex-vice presidents .
Margaret Truman sang from time to time - but not EVERY Sunday.
Spare us - we deserve better!

mens rea

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/the-ceremony-of-innocence/

“Do the orders still stand?”

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/12/18/clock-stoppers/

Aren’t you curious, Mr. Robinson?

Exposing the hypocrisy of the right wing is, perhaps, the world’s most futile
exercise. They just don’t care. Or maybe, can’t grasp it. Reflect on America’s
famous 30 second attention span that allows a person to hold two contradictory
opinions at the same time, as ER has lucidly demonstrated Liz C. is doing. I
picture her driving an SUV (of course) with 2 bumper-stickers, “Support the
Constitution” and “No Rights for Terrorists”. It’s the blindness that drives the
“crazy right”.

What’s it like to have become Saddam, Liz?

You’ve forgotten what it means to be an American.

Liz Cheney would like it if her father didn’t go down in
history as “sharing values” with infamous war criminals.

Good luck with that, Liz.

If Alberto Gonzales and Karl Rove were now languishing in a Federal prison for their roles in the politicized firing of Federal attorneys perhaps Liz Cheney might remain mute on this non issue.

But this is simply more of the same right wing disrespect for truth and justice that we see everywhere these days. We see it because noone stands up and combats it. We see it here on TD in the guise of GRYM and a scarce few others who consistently post distortions and untruths , who hint at links,who brags about polling data but never posts them because, frankly, to do so would be to show the shoddiness and slant of those polls.  Cheney waves her list, and the righties, in the guise of that execrable propagandist, insists he posts links but can anyone find any evidence of said links?

When the right wing is exposed to the light, when the backbone that the Obama administration fails to demonstrate appears, these right wing tactics will fail miserably and. like the cockroaches they are, they will scurry from the light of exposure back into the shadows where they truly belong.