Balderdash!
In comparison to the once-upon-a-time Republicans and once-upon-a-time Democrats that comprise the Congress of the US, Palin is clean. C-L-E-A-N !

Who approved the illegal executive declarations of
GHWBushJr that annulled the US Constitution and
instituted the fraudulent Patriot Act?  The good
little monkey that copied his sire, a supporter of
the 4th Reich, was copied by hundreds of “elected
officials” who comprised the US Congress ???

Historical proof that family Bush transferred wealth into the NAZI accounts, until the US Congress intervened and stopped it - for a short while - exists !  The NAZIs have sympathizers who know the ropes and can get around the “legal boundaries.”  Evidence the “Federal Reserve” and the banking FRAUD!

Trooper whatever might be angry that he could not get into a certain person´s pants.  Similar to many other “frustrated” male-types in the environment of a very attractive, Sarah Palin.

Why was there a “Joan of Arc” ?  Because we dumbass men did not rise to the occasion - - .  Nor do we possess the natural honesty, and protectiveness that women possess - with rare exception - traceable to haywire conditions in the hormonal arena.  If we did, the USA wouldnt be in its current state of collapse, while the >male< NAZI-types abscond to Dubai, with suitcases filled with $100 bills.

O.B. Ron Quixote:

“You’re serious, right?  What ‘rescuing’???  You mean the loss of over 4.1 million jobs since Obama took over?  Or the overall 1% decrease in GDP so far this year?  Or how about incurring a deficit greater than all previous administrations’ deficits in the entire history of the U.S. combined?

Good grief. I’m tired of your flights of fancy, weary of the faux battles. You are free to “lol” into the sunset in defense of your wink-wink heroine. You’ll just have to do it without me.

All the best,

Sancho Panza

Lipstick on a Turkey?

Palin reminds me of a sliver which has become infected. Here we see she has written a book, allegedly about her life. Robin Williams joked about Palin’s book, saying it should be in the fantasy section is very humorous. But maybe one could place her book in the deluded reality secretion if they have one, I am back to sliver infected here!

Palin must not realize and has not learned,(many things it seems)  when you tell the truth, you do not have to remember what you said!

A very amusing article is regurgitating, Trooper Wooten is coming out of the closet and has stated some very interesting comments about Palin.  It seems Wooten is not going to keep his mouth shut any longer, Palin is possibly going to be dragged through the muck of realty. (though, she may buy her way out of this with all those book sales) 

Wooten has some not so nice and naughty comments to say about Sarha, is someone getting ready for Christmas? 

Angel Palin as she portrays herself may be mounted on top of as Xmas tree, as the only portrayal of an Angel she may ever be portray.  Palins unablebodied and small minded rabble of supporters, may discover the walking delusion of unsound mind others have seen and known for a long time now. Though, one should not hold their breath, for history has shown the deluded refuse to accept reality.
Palins book may find a place in the long stretched tales section in the book store.  Finally reality may place Palin in the comedy section?

One may see the Mad Hatter dressing a Turkey!

Palin´s qualifications obviously parallel those of other US gov leaders, although she needs to strengthen her weaknesses at the national level in bribery, deceit and fiscal theft.  Currently she appears to be only well-qualified for leadership of the Federal Reserve and similar fiscal advisory positions to US president “Oblabla” and perhaps the chairmanship of the AIPAC.  However, her non-zionist heritage disqualifies her for such positions, perhaps also her honesty.

Here are some Ilks without horns, Robin Williams was on the Tongiht Show with Letterman, and did a Sarha Palin joke feeler fest: 

“It’s wonderful, I went looking for her book and I found it in the fantasy aisle. With Sarah you get the feeling she was voted least likely to write a book and most likely to burn one. You look at her and wonder ‘Where did they find her, Project Running Mate?’”

Let’s just say I won’t be losing any sleep over Robin Williams musings, no matter how sophomoric an effort. Ilks as contrary and ilky as they may be. 

Imbicels everywhere, take Sarah, ==== Please!

Don’t forget Sarah Palin won the Miss Congeniality contest, because she hoped one day to see Russia from her front porch, then write a book about it.

Lemme see…
Sarah Palin was a lousy, nasty mayor of a tiny town.  Then she was a short-term corrupt gov of a tiny state who quit after less than 2 years. 

She’s shown she knows nothing about economics, liberty, or foreign policy, but LOVES fascism.

What else do we need to know?

“Like most others of your ilk, you tend to engage in selective listening.”

Talk about ilk’s Palin has gutted a few of them in her time, so we have been told.

Nice to see mom and Palin’s editor hawking her book. I will go out and get another free one so I can hand them out to the Watch Tower Folks on the street corners.

Watch for those ilks, they have horns.

Please accept my apologies, (not you star toothy) for the many typos in my last post.  Something bit my left finger on my left hand and it seemed almost palatalized or stiff, so my last post had 70 percent of the normal 100 percent typing errors. I have seen this happen before, to Mousey Tounge when he get’s into Folk trotters catnip.

What ever bit my finger got away, I figure it was a wasp, so this means it was not a kosher bite and I can’t blame it on the Zionists.

Talk about not being an American, I thought Palin wanted Alaska to succeed from the Bunion?

Well, my finger has lost some of it’s swolleness, so it may well be at the Palin level of inflection.

Don’t forget, Lee:
In his books (according to the Palin punks), Obama lays out his plans for Marxism, Communism and Socialism.  But none of them have read his books—they got it from their church leaders and Fox Noise.

Oh, and he’s not even an American (so say the punks).

Several people went to a Sarha Palin book slinging to report and find out why people stood for hours in lines at a book signing and why they supported Palin.  In the end Star Fish is a prickly example of what they found.  Vague generality’s and Obama is bad for the country.

(No one was interested in the Leefeller diet starfishy)!

When Palin supporters were asked to indicate specifics they, had none, except maybe she seemed strong and fair.  Maybe they are saving them?  I am curious why no one said Palin was fair and balanced?  When asked if they could provide a specific policy, a real reason to support Palin, they had trouble coming up with anything, except sayig she may cut taxes.

At least,  I would have said she knows hot to wink.

This is sad me not being a Palin supporter, though my comments would have been the only ones with substance in support of Palin. As I stated before, everyone knows Palin can see Russia from her front porch, gut a Moose at the same time conceiving. Why do Palin supporters sound like moon children, does the stair way to to the top? 

When asked, Palin supporters said what they did not like about Obama, was he is damaging the country. Sort of like Starfishy comments on this thread, specifics are not what they talked about.

Seems waiting in line required, they be fair and unbalanced?

link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/palin-supporters-struggle_n_367800.html

FYI:  The plural of moose is moose.

Another fact about starfish, or - more correctly - sea stars:  Their stomachs are
extruded through their mouths to digest prey.  Is there a metaphor here?  Also, they can regenerate arms lost to predation, which makes them pretty immune to hatchet jobs, I should think.

Cheers!

“Well then, Leefeller, it seems you are a coward and a hypocrite; you condemn others for killing their own meat but won’t own up to the fact that you eat meat others have killed for you.”

Well! I cry every time I cut into a rutabaga, it is hard to tell if they are a happy rutabaga! 

Can you address my quote so I can address what you are talking about, sort of like how you address your quotes and never address what you quoted! It is nice being condemned by assumptions, this is sort of like the inquisition.  You ignore my comments about Palen eating Wolf burgers while whistling the new Alaska National Anthem, what about that! Haha! you are the bigger hypocrite and coward, because you said it first!  You think you are a Miss. Smartyfish, but I am smarter then you! When I get into the 7th grade next year I will learn more about Starfishes and cut off your little Sucker feet off, no more sucking on Mussels Mrs Smarty pants!

Wait a minute, wait a minute, that quote ITW is pretty good, but starfish have
suckers on their rays (their arms).  And just a bit of trivia for Leefeller since
gastronomy is part of his argument with Starfish, starfish’s stomach called the
“pyloric cecum” extends throughout each of the arms (rays). Speaking of an eating
machine.

(Do I sound like ITW?)
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Not yet…you’ll never be as boring as me!

Here’s my advice on how to handle Starfish:

“You can’t cheat an honest man, but never give a sucker an even break, and don’t wisen up a chump!”—William Claude Dukenfeld,

(aka, W. C. Fields)

Well then, Leefeller, it seems you are a coward and a hypocrite; you condemn others for killing their own meat but won’t own up to the fact that you eat meat others have killed for you.

Starfished stated:

“You seemed so annoyed that the Palins would kill a moose to eat”

I am only annoyed if it is not a happy Moose!

PS: Mooses are usually pissed off, so one has to look far and wide for a real happy Moose, Rocky’s friend Bullwinkle does not count!

Can you expand on your comment regurgitating Palin’s alleged smarts, or does she really get her head caught in doors, which might have something to do with the winking?

Leefeller:

You seemed so annoyed that the Palins would kill a moose to eat, so I think it’s appropriate to know if you eat meat and if so how you think that meat shows up on your table.

Or are you just a hypocrite?

“I do not share Mrs. Palin’s political views, but she is a smart woman and a hard-working woman. She puts herself on the line and accepts responsibility for her errors; she has acknowledged that in the Couric interview she did not do well, but it is also true that CBS cropped that interview to show Palin as negatively as they could.”

Starfish the mussle eater’s fascination with my diet must be some sort of fetish, not a distraction, couldn’t be that! 

“Palin the smart, hard-working women who puts herself on the line and accepts responsibility” starfish your comment not mine, maybe you can expend on these with a straight face. (Do starfish have a face?) 

Do you mean smart as in intelligent or smart like Palin is so smart, she can keep from closing a door on her head?  Hard working may mean she works hard at insulting peoples intelligence by winking at them while not saying anything worth any substance or do you mean Palin is a hardworking opportunist hawking a book with the same lack of substance.  Palin really laid down on the line and accepted responsibilities when she abandoned her job as Governor of Alaska, taking care of her kids while riding around the country side in a bus with her mug on the side of it. 

Take it away Starfishy! (Do I sound like ITW?)

Leefeller:

You still haven’t told us if you eat meat—meat from animals that have been slaughtered for your “dining” pleasure.

(P.S. I worked for, wrote letters to editors for, and voted for Al Gore. Did you? I also I worked for, wrote letters to editors for, and voted for Bill Clinton and then Hillary Clinton. Did you?)

At this point you might want to ask yourself, does it really matter who is president, as long as Wall Street remains in charge.

No, not really, this years bonus payouts are even bigger than last years. Now tax payers are on the hook to the banks for years to come.

What a sweet deal.

Of course we’re being groomed for a Palin, presidency.

As long as we’re focused so much on externals it’s easy, to wear a disguise.

Starfish talking here:

“Surely there has been NO shortage of under-qualified, unskilled men who have aspired to high office.”

“The ONE big difference is that not one of those men took the beating from the media people (and a lot of other ridiculous people) that Sarah Palin has been subjected to”.

“Not one”.

“Men are allowed to be stupid, rude, nasty, unskilled, unqualified and a lot of other negative things; but as long as they are manly, “authentic,” like sports and can quote baseball statistics, they are good to go.”

In the world of assumptions, stereotypes and absolutisms, one need not bother to think? 

“Not one”? 

Dost thou detect a sexist starfish with lipstick?  Most profound statements from the starfish, considering how joyfully and pleasant the campaign was.  Swift boating Al Gore was really just the Good Humor Icecream man enjoying a tickle me Elmo fest. 

Republican point of view, seems so life like, espcially when one sees a forgetful stuffed elephant. 

“Men are allowed to be stupid, rude, nasty, unskilled, unqualified and a lot of other negative things; but as long as they are manly, “authentic,” like sports and can quote baseball statistics, they are good to go.”

How can one forget remembering reading baseball statistics coming from the founding fathers and the fact Lincoln was shot by Booth a Yankees fan. 

Now stupid, rude, nasty, unskilled, unqualified and all the negative things one can conjure up is only a male trait, this is why they have men’s clubs and the men’s rooms at all the airports just for Republicans.

So, now I can say I have seen Lipstick on a pig, on a Rogue and now a typing starfish, am I being sexist?

tdbach, finally a pleasantly novel and different moment of lucid assessment.  It
ought to be more than good luck, but if the liberals can squeak by this one, it
would only be because they don’t seem to have a clue, Democrats or
Independents, how to navigate game politics.  Problem is the game results are
what the public gets stuck with.  Could it be that the conservatives know how to
play the game better?

O.B. Ron Quixote:

“How funny!  You liberals are much too fun!  You so easily leap like lemmings off the cliff of reason into an ocean of presumption when “interpreting” conservative vernacular but cling desperately to the tenets of literalism when regarding liberal diatribe.”

I’ll resist broad-brushing all conservatives with the stain of your nonsense. I have too many conservative friends, none of whom make such ridiculous comments in such a pretentious way.

“1) Do you honestly believe Ms. Goodman (or anyone else with a brain for that matter) would seriously believe Palin’s political raison d’etre and principal qualification is her motherhood???”

Ah, but SHE thinks it’s nearly sufficient – not because she made a “light-hearted quip” but because she beat that drum incessantly throughout the campaign, offering little of substance to support her credentials besides “a bridge to nowhere” and the now-infamous gas pipeline. Her political career turned out to be as much a façade as her eye liner. She made her motherhood – as problematic as that has proven to be – a centerpiece of her political persona. And still does.

“2) Your keen (???) analogies of Dole and Parker notwithstanding, neither have represented the overwhelming populist threat to the liberal feminine oligarchy that Palin does…  “

You really don’t get it, do you? Palin’s problem isn’t that she’s a mother with populist appeal, or even that she’s a right winger. It’s that she has nothing to offer but her populism. It’s the sort of empty populism that Republicans specialize in. Ever since Reagan, they have made an art of proffering near-empty vessels with great populist appeal whom they can control as candidates for president. Their aw-shucks charm provides the perfect front for the real oligarchy of corporate wealth to continue its control of our resources and policy to its benefit.

Yes, feminists – both conservative and liberal – found Palin’s candidacy appalling. Partly because of her anti-choice stance. Partly because she does send a bad message to little girls and big nations: you don’t have to work hard, develop yourself to your full potential; you just have to be pretty, ruthlessly opportunistic, and play the feminist game when it suits you.

“All of which beg the question:  all quotes and circumstances being equal, would Ellen have written this piece had Palin been a pro-abortion liberal Democrat governor chosen for Obama’s wing-person?”

Of course not. For the simple reason that liberals take governance seriously and would never have a woman so lacking in substance on a national ticket.

“Considering the indecisive and impotent presidency of our existing inexperienced and administratively-challenged incumbent ...”

You mean besides rescuing our country from the economic and diplomatic disaster left by his predecessor? What did Bush accomplish in his first year? A nice, fat tax cut for his donors. No Child Left Behind, thanks to a Democrat. And – oh yes – 9/11. What did Reagan accomplish? A nice, fat tax cut for his donors (do we see a pattern here?).

“At least she doesn’t need a porta-teleprompter wherever she goes!”

When all you have to say are a couple of rote rightwing talking points and a motherhood act, it would be a waste of technology.

Look, if you think Palin’s a swell leader, and you’d be happy to put the welfare of our country into her hands, I’m sure I could never dissuade you. It must be love. And love does not answer to reason. Good luck to you.

Leefeller, November 23 at 1:24 pm:
’... Why do I assume someone with little sucker feet is trying to take the subject of comment away from Palin the profounder of great wisdom, moral turpitudee and Moose meat? ...’

Evidently you’re more interesting than Palin.  But can you wink?

When I assume, it is not what you assume, nor is that what we assume, so everybody assume, assumes? 

Why do I assume someone with little sucker feet is trying to take the subject of comment away from Palin the profounder of great wisdom, moral turpitudee and Moose meat?

Assumptions seem so much fun and even a joy!

It would be hard to guess what you would assume, Leefeller.

So Starfish, we can assume, Palin only kills and guts happy Mooses?

“Investigations by animal welfare and animal rights groups have indicated that a proportion of these animals [being slaughtered] are being skinned or gutted while apparently still alive and conscious.”

http://tinyurl.com/ztmjz

If you eat meat, this is what happens, sometimes, so you can eat that meat.

I met a genuine American once,  I suppose they were genuine,  tattooed on their forehead but misspelled what I believe was supposed to be “American”?  So, “Genuine Merican was crossed off and another tattoo just below on the protruding forehead said “Made in the USA, I shop at Wal Mart”.  What can I say,  it was a very protruding forehead! One could not help but notice the tea bags hanging from the ears, most genuine I would say!

Nevertheless, Leefeller, if you eat meat, someone is killing an animal so you can eat that meat. The slaughtering of animals is frequently not humane and, in the case of lambs and chickens where their movements are restricted all through their lives, not only are their deaths sometimes awful but often their lives before death are also awful.

“Meanwhile, genuine Americans are being intimidated by CIA and police for
alluding to the fact. ”  Really?  Who exactly are “genuine” Americans?  And
what proof do you have that they, whoever “they” are are being intimidated by
the CIA?  Anyone in particular, or is that merely using the fuzzy set to make an
inflammatory indictment?  It is probable you are blowing hot bigoted air.
Trying to combine the words Gestapo with one American intelligence agency
called the CIA Central Intelligence Agency is good trickery called demagoguery. 
It is sort of like the fallacy of Panic in the Pantry.  It is an intentional fallacy
intended to create a fact that does not exist.  The CIA is an independent agency
of the United States government responsible for collecting and coordinating
intelligence and counterintelligence activities abroad in the national interest
and providing intelligence on a wide range of national security issues to senior
US policymakers.

You also say, drbhelthi, “perhaps other information will now come to the
fore.”  Equally true could be “perhaps not” because there is none.

You speak nonsense that looks like on the surface as if it were true,  but you
really prevaricate.  Again, demagoguery in spades.

If the words “proven” and “disproven” are misused, please specify where and
how.  Vitriol means highly corrosive which your comments are obviously
intended to do.  Kind of venomous to express your deep-seated ill will.  You do
not calmly lay out your arguments with any backup inspectable resources. 
Carry on though, since I’m sure you will have a bevy of those who want to
believe without verifiable evidence and enjoy insubstantiation and thrive on
allegation. They can then justify to themselves their own inane beliefs.  Vive
l’demagoguery and silverplated-tongued liars!

In the world of assumptions, one can say that people enjoy what they eat or why else eat?  Then it could also be said in the world of assumptions that gluttons enjoy life more than non gluttons?  Now in Palin’s case, shooting Wolves from airplanes or helicopters in the declared world of assumptions, one could say anything they want, how about saying this;  Palin enjoys wolf burgers, wearing wolf skin jackets while whistling the proposed new Alaskan National Anthem while endlessly smiling.

Since I usually do not talk to strange starfish, I will make an exception here.
Starfish comment: “but it’s hard to tell about you since you choose to be secretive about it.”  To be clear,  you are talking about my eating habits here,  I have a rare condition which requires me to eat garbanzo beans with Rutabagas while playing Dixie on the bag pipes, because I cannot whistle.  Since I live in the south, my neighbors who love Dixie, but evidently hate the bagpipes, especially since I get up with the chickens and prefer to eat sitting on the peak of my roof, my neighbors complained and it is now necessary for me to eat in a closet, next to the kitty litter box.  So, in my case I really do not enjoy eating and my cats hate to use their litter box. 

Writing or talking to a starfish is most amusing only because I have had several classes in Marine Biology, and none of the starfish I have seen met ever talked, never the less type.  How does a starfish type?  With all those little sucker feet an amusing vision, as far as assumptions go!

Sometimes the words “proven” and “disproven” are misused, similarly to many other words such as “viotriol,” when scapegoating is attempted.  Scapegoating takes various forms, and hired propagandists are expert in the practice. 

A proven fact can be criticized, sometimes even disassembled in the process, but cannot be disproven, and attempted effort is a waste.  A proven fact deserves support.  The birthplace of a Mr. (Barack) Hussein Obama, a current name used for many years, is a proven fact, which I do not try to disprove.  Scores of US and private attorneys, numerous members of the hired “US intelligence community,” many voluntary sympathizers, and a few judge-types, are trying to prevent the uncovering of this fact.  Meanwhile, genuine Americans are being intimidated by CIA and police for alluding to the fact. 

Such behavior by police types is termed increasingly by Americans - and Europeans - as GESTAPO tatic.  Europeans, especially Germans, are well acquainted with GESTAPO tatic. Americans are becoming familiarized via internship, highlighted by several events,  the murder of JFK Sr., election of GHW Bush Sr.,  GHW Bush Jr., eleven September 2001, and a continuous string of events since then.

Since the US Army Engineer Corps has been adjudged negligible in the New Orleans flooding debacle, which occurred AFTER Katrina passed through, perhaps other information will now come to the fore.  Dike area residents, who saw men and reported explosions at two or more locations where breaks in dikes occurred, should not be completely ignored.  If the folk were not “neutralized.”

Criticism I think is a good reality check on the behavior of those whose actions
affect human lives, when the criticism reflects the truth.  Politicians are some of
those whose behaviors affect human lives.  But when lies and exaggerations by
the critics are intended to fan the flames of prejudice and bigotry, then that
should also be pointed out.
Regarding Obama’s visit to Walter Reed Army Medical Center, see google page
to find your favorite MSM story at
http://www.google.com/search?
q=Associated+Press+Obama+Visits+Walter+Reed&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-
8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Now Obama may have gone to play golf, but he also did visit the soldiers.  Now
in July of 2008, there was a rather lame story about Obama on a blog that
reported his cancellation, by a blogsite that obviously looks for Obama hairs to
criticize. 

It is kind of pathetic the degree of gullibility some people think “everyone” has.

mandinka makes a report without any references.  Can I only assume it was
fabricated?

drbhelthi’s vitriol is misplaced, even if he is an author, he hasn’t “proven”
Barack Obama was not born a citizen.  That whole issue is bull shit and too
many are dancing around in it.  Of course, if obsessions control one’s mind no
one can stop it.  Nice thing about this country that holds freedom of speech as
sacred is that weird and unproven accusations may be made without heads
being cut off or murdered otherwise.  But for clear-thinking people to believe
outrageous charges and character assassinations, proof is required.

Mrs. S. Palin´s book episode reminds me of a book of some of my departed loved ones.  When they married, they were “awarded” a signed copy of Hitler´s book.  They hid it, by burying it in their root cellar. After WWII, they dug it up, to find only decayed pieces of pages.  Does Sarah P´s book have equal value?

From my viewpoint, Mrs. Sarah Palin has one up on the US president imposter, Mr. Hussein Obama.

No one questions her American birth and citizenship.  No one has proven that Hussein Obama was born in the USA.  In my book, his CIA-created documents are as invalid as those CIA-created documents for the several thousand NAZIs secreted into the USA at the end of WWII and subsequently, via “Operation Paperclip” and subsequent secret operations.  And “Werner freiherr von Braun”?  He deserved the same treatment in the Nuremburg trials as his comrades. American hero? Phuuiii-

There are some really neat people in the NSA, CIA, FBI, and related services.  I wonder if the ones who are not NAZIs, false-zionists, or brown-nosers of either, will ever comprehend the damage they have done and are doing to Americans and the western world?

wolf good catch, how about posting a similar critique on barak. the great commander in chief was supposed to visit the wounded at Walter Reed a few Sundays back. The hospital had the wounded dress in uniform if possible but had to be clean shave, groomed and had to hold off with any appointments until the pres showed up.
Low and behold he had a golf game and cancelled but not until the troops had been assembled for 8 hours.

Now that’s a Real Commander in Chief

The quitter quit again! Sarah walked out of her book signing in Indiana at the Barnes and Noble bookstores signing event as reported on Fridays news. Many people had waited for over 9 hours in the cold and the rain to get their newly purchased books autographed by the daring diva-not-only to be left holding the book as the comment goes. Many of her fans, now former fans, surrounded her mega bus with her photo plastered all along the side of the bus and shouted, yelled and booed her. Many of her one time fans stated to reporters that they were going to return her book and get their money back they were so mad for being lied to about having her sign their books. Winder how that will affect the sales outcome? The Palin handlers gave out pre-printed postcards with her copied signature to some of the people, whom were not impressed with the photocopy.

Once a quitter and well established liar, always a quitter and a liar, this trait is to deeply ingrained in Ms. Palin’s psyche to ever be corrected.

Good way to start off Sarah’s bid for president of the U.S. The last campaign ran over 20 months, far to long, the bid for 2012 started before the last election was even held and the repukelicans run for the future presidential bid lasting over 48 months is 46 1/2 months to long. All the b.s. by the repukelicans thinking of running for 2012 are wasting time and money working on that election should be fired and disqualified for running for president forever, as they are not doing the jobs they were elected to do by the public. They instead are working on a non issue personal hobby-wish of running for president in 2012 rather than their current responsibility of their job that is the ones who did not steal their elected post as G.W. did, twice.

She is correct about the Michal Palin, I just watched Monty Python and “the Holy Grail” again, I find the movie both very funny and enlightening.  You know what is really strange I had not until now equated the two Palin names as the same?  Disc two has Michael Palin and Terry Jones returning to do a documentary on location.  The educational part of the film teaches one how to use Coconuts.

I see both Palin worlds and in answer to your question She, I only prefer to view them though one, of course Michael Plain’s.

Leefeller:

Most people enjoy what they eat (else why eat it?).  I guess you do not enjoy eating what you eat.

Most people who eat meat are eating an animal that has been killed by someone else. I guess you either do or don’t eat meat, but it’s hard to tell about you since you choose to be secretive about it.

Many people eat rabbit; you seem to think that is unthinkable and something you never could do. You get a medal.

If you are a meat-eater, someone else is doing the killing for you (unless you are a hunter). Of course, if you are a vegetarian, you aren’t responsible for the deaths of any animals.

(Is this simple enough for you to understand?)

Starfish asked:

“Leefeller:”

“Are we to assume you are a vegetarian, or do you eat only the meat others kill for your enjoyment?”

Not sure who we is? If I said,  clubbing baby seals to death, or shooting wolves from a helicopter are both actions I find most disgusting, would one then assume I am a vegetarian and that I do not eat wolf or seal meat? 

Assumptions as used by Starfish seem presumptions from unsound logic, for instance Starfish comments seem to support assumption of war, I could assume starfish is a cannibal, on the other hand if one is opposed to war would starfish ask (are you not a cannibal or do you only eat the meat others kill for your enjoyment)

If one kills for enjoyment, their seems to be some primal tendency which may be easy to tell by the protruding forehead. Assumptions are just assumptions, asking if one only eats meat others kill for enjoyment, seems most disingenuous in the asking.  Killing and enjoyment are two words I would not normally use together, unless I was going to describe someone like Palin or Hitler.

May I suggest, eating and enjoyment seem a misnomer, for dining and enjoyment seems much more appropriate together, eating is more to consume as in to survive.

Why do you ask? Is it important to assume something about my dining or eating habits?

If I remember correctly, Leefeller only eats starfish and uses fishbones to pick
his teeth. 

And since Leefeller is the subject of my introductory comment, I believe
Leefeller often sees a different Palin world, the annointed one, Michael Palin, of
Monty Python and comparing the two Palins (though one is a Palin by virtue of
marriage, did I say by virtue?!) and finding it rather head spinning.  Now I
do not know this for a fact and the Leefeller would have to confirm… or deny,
this. 

Okay, shucks, I just heard that some are getting the book for as low as $3.00
now and others even lower, zero dollars, someone is giving them away.  That is
a way to run out the edition.  I predict, as I did on the other Palin forum, that in
a month a copy will be able to be bought on amazon for one cent. It is a
nothing book, not one for posterity, a kind of “red state” book.  Well I still have
some Clinton/Gore posters and stuff. 

I think she had an opportunity to elevate herself in a book but chose to whack
at those who irked her during her failed vice president candidacy.  It is curious. 
A spree of castigation only gives a clue as to what kind of a politician she
would make on the international scene.  How many more sons and daughters
would be sent to wars that are the result of a petulant president and it has
nothing to do with her feminine status, it has to do with mindless
irresponsibility.  She trashed her colleagues and the newspeople and they
ought not to let her forget it.  And if Democrats are smart, they too won’t let
anybody forget it, ever. 

The comment by Lynn Cheney is odd because this chick from Alaska could be a
serious candidate against her father!  Cheney has been sending out notes that
Dick might run.  So what’s up doc?

If Republicans think Palin is qualified to be president, I’d like to know what
those qualifications are instead of just speculating about it and accepting the
catchphrase as a given.  What the hell does it mean to be qualified for
president in Republicanese?

You know, on reflection, this article is rather also a piece of fluff.  Doesn’t
journalist Goodman have any better stories to write about?  Yikes!

Leefeller:

Are we to assume you are a vegetarian, or do you eat only the meat others kill for your enjoyment?

I cannot see Russia from my front porch!”

“You’re not doing the right drugs, probably.  What are you seeing?  Gondwanaland?  Oz?  Atlantis?  Third Avenue and Broadway?”

No Anarcissie, I have not seen any of those, but occasionally I see a fuzzy bunny rabbit from my front porch. Though I refuse to shoot it with inbred glee and anticipated joy of gutting it like placing relish on a hot dog. 

My prejudice sees a winking imbecile,  covered from ear to ear with moronic smile, pulling the trigger, then as in the movie slicing of Lambs, pursuing some ludicrous primal power over the worlds creatures. Shooting, gutting and mounting.

When all I see is a fuzzy bunny rabbit, though I may have a moronic smile!

Comments and Propaganda.  The saying of the “American Indians,” “-what you do speaks so loud, I can not hear what you say-“ is graphic and concrete.  Two thousand years ago, “journalists” reported that a man called, “Jesus the Christ” said, “you will know them by the fruits they bare.”  Perhaps the least-applied version is the American, “Actions speak louder than words.”  Europeans, especially Germans, have increasingly practiced the concept since WWII.  Finally, increasingly, Americans also. 

Although it did not originate with him, the infamous Joseph Goebbels, propaganda minister prior to and during the National Socialism or NAZI, Hitler reign, is often credited with the phrase, “tell the people something long enough and they will eventually believe it.”  He used it to elevate A. Hitler to the supreme dictator position, although it took years to do it.  Once in supreme leadership, Hitler demonstrated more genuine behavior, spawning the attack on Poland and WWII.  In more recent years, an alleged American, Donald Rumsfeld, was observed by his relatives to have demonstrated the same characteristic.  After a visit with his German relatives several years back, they told news media, “he has changed.”  His quasi invincible status in the Regan-Bush Regime was cemented in the “Junior” monkey administration.  Rumsfeld became more genuine, reflecting the putrification of his value system.  He added Tamiflu to Aspartame, foltering to illegal prisoners, secret lockups to the US military.  The “bird-flu-fraud” provided untold millions to his furtive bank accounts.  Now, the “swine-flu-fraud” with toxic injection?  Increasingly obvious, this corrupt value system is traced to the family Bush, initially via active support of the NAZI regime during WWII.  Perhaps subsequently to “Operation Paper-Clip,” also.

A Home-Page that employs democratic principles permits a variety of comments.  Each comment reflects the inner value system of its owner, is thus idiosyncratic. “Scapegoating” is a technique that solicits social pressure to reject the person being scapegoated.  Comments that consistently use scapegoating propaganda, are not comments.  This tactic has been used for thousands of years by the pimpery of power-mongers.  Thus, for over sixty years, one sub-tribe of the Near East has immediately called its antagonists, “Jew haters.”  The western world capitulated to this Goebbels-type method, until recently, now increasingly disavows it.  Those whose comments consist of such scapegoating, regardless of nationality, are behaving as “little Goebbels.”  The old saying, “monkey see, monkey do” has meaning. Especially among power-monger types and their pimpery.

Starfish if you believe that Sarah Palin is intelligent, decent and honourable then your political ideas are the same as hers even if you won’t admit it to yourself or anyone else. The woman she most reminds me of is Goebbels wife, Magda. The similarities are striking: both of them baby-mad war mongers and fascists.

“I cannot see Russia from my front porch!”

You’re not doing the right drugs, probably.  What are you seeing?  Gondwanaland?  Oz?  Atlantis?  Third Avenue and Broadway?

Why all the anguish by the liberal left news media to Palin?? Palin has gotten more attention from the media even after resigning that barak campaign received when he was running. 11 AP ‘journalists” were assigned to her book and only 2 were assigned to read the 2000 page health reform legislation.
Where was the media looking into baraks life and career during the campaign?? They were all AWOL and served as a cheer leading section.
Where was the press on the fact that a congressman got to finish his term after finding $80K in his freezer and that he will get a lifetime pension of $50,000 even when in jail.
Why not a demand for Dodd’s and Frank to go to prison for their sweet heart loans. What about old Rangle not reporting almost $1 million in income and never paying taxes on it.
Ellen if you have an AX to grind go after the real crooks in politics not some smart attractive woman with some actual experience, something Hilary and Barak lacked

“Nice to see Palin’s mom posting here!”

No, I am not Sarah Palin’s mother, and thank goodness I am not yours either.

I think the campaign diversion of lips on a pig is apt, except that in Sarah’s case, it isn’t a matter of going rogue but going roue; that is, she is now baptised in the real world of Presidential politics and the only one who cannot admit that his choice of a running mate was why he lost the election is John McCain.  Think about it: people in pickups with McCain-Palin bumper stickers are sore losers or denizens of the cracker South states that, with evangelical chicken hawks and neocons, make up the Repub party these days.

“My political views are not Palin’s views, but I like her because she is an intelligent, decent, honorable person.”{

Nice to see Palin’s mom posting here! Hi Mom!

Must admit, you lost me on the intelligent part, decent according to what?  Honorable, if you mean stretches the truth, well then Palin is Honorable!

My political views are not Palin’s views, for I cannot see Russia from my front porch!

Whatever qualifications and skills you believe Sarah Palin lacks are NOTHING NEW among presidential aspirants.

Surely there has been NO shortage of under-qualified, unskilled men who have aspired to high office.

The ONE big difference is that not one of those men took the beating from the media people (and a lot of other ridiculous people) that Sarah Palin has been subjected to.

Not one.

Men are allowed to be stupid, rude, nasty, unskilled, unqualified and a lot of other negative things; but as long as they are manly, “authentic,” like sports and can quote baseball statistics, they are good to go.

I do not share Mrs. Palin’s political views, but she is a smart woman and a hard-working woman. She puts herself on the line and accepts responsibility for her errors; she has acknowledged that in the Couric interview she did not do well, but it is also true that CBS cropped that interview to show Palin as negatively as they could.

On the other hand, Obama, who is also under-qualified for the presidency and is failing spectacularly, was the darling of the media. No one in the media demanded to see his grades from school, college or law school. No one in the media demanded to see Obama’s papers from his college and law school days—papers which Obama has gone to extraordinary lengths to keep from public scrutiny.

The media people either chose not to notice or actually did not notice that Obama’s actions and record did NOT match his words. The media people covered up Obama’s gaffes and shortcomings and elevated him to the highest office in the land when there was a far more qualified candidate for the Democratic nomination and presidency, Hillary Clinton.

But, as is customary with media people (and many others), since Hillary is a woman and a (gasp) Clinton, there were special rules for critiquing her. Hillary, unfortunately for America, was subjected to both the Rules For Women and the Clinton Rules.

Now, we have the Palin Rules: she must be held to a higher standard than all the men in American history—many of whom were drunkards, thieves, charlatans and worse. But we must never talk about THAT because they were men and there are different rules for what makes a man a serious candidate.

I like Sarah Palin. She has had nothing handed to her in life. She has worked hard to have whatever she has achieved. She has not only espoused her conservative political beliefs, she has lived by those same beliefs—she did not abort a child she knew would be a Downs Syndrome baby.

My political views are not Palin’s views, but I like her because she is an intelligent, decent, honorable person.

And that is MORE than can be said of hundreds of men who have run for the presidency or vice presidency.

Actually, the book’s title should have been, “Going Rouge.”

It fits the conservative zeitgeist to have a woman seeking elected office because
she is a mother.  Any indications she gives that she is otherwise unqualified only
enhance that conviction.  She is more qualified, in the conservatives’ view, than any of the women who have achieved
elective office because of their brains and experience in the political or business
world precisely because she is the anti-feminist ideal: a know-nothing “barefoot
and pregnant” archetype from a backwoods locale.  She’s the “popular girl” from
high school who, in addition to looking good, clearly will not jeopardize the self-
image of any male by actually being smarter, more well-read, more clued about
the world than they.

Rogue Is The New Vogue     ePie   November 20th, 2009

Goin rogue is so in vogue
no need to blush
or do rouge app with brush

Goin rogue is so in vogue
like black for cats wearin top hats
and maroon spats
crotch grabin,
punk rockin,
swagger walkin
rogue.
Don’t call us dude.
we ain’t no Texas crude.

Goin rogue is so in vogue
for the jaded joker is still wild
like inky flow for taxes filed;
or Psy opps for the dessert child,
a tilled tomb for the sands to bloom.

Goin rogue is so in vogue
spark up your Hummer
savin is for crumbs
and ‘Gosh Darn’:
‘Goin Rogue is for a signin

My distaste for Sarah Palin stems from my resurfacing of a sudden unhidden prejudice, I just realized Sarah resembles in looks, my long gone step grandmother.  My memories of my step grandmother seem mostly unpleasant, for instance at Christmas time she always gave me clothes Most notably, my step grandmother did not speak English very well, I believe she was Spanish or Dutch, though I never saw any wooden shoes around the house. Back when I was in third grade I learned about the seventh planet from the sun and I enjoyed saying the name Uranus!  Well this did not go over very well with step grand maw, so me memories are of her chasing me around the house with a fly swatter while I am yelling out the name of my new found plaint, these have just come back to haunt me.

Sarah Palin may seem sexy to some Republicans, just thinking of her gutting a moose would do that for them, even some Democrats may find that arousing. The whole Clinton thing was only promoted from jealousy, it is a well known fact, Republicans obtain most of their sex in Airport restrooms.

2012 is coming up and the democrats seem to be only shuffling the chairs on the deck of the Queen Mary, then they want to have their lunch and eat it too!  So we can either look forward to Obama getting off the pot and doing something with hope and changey or we may have Winky as our next president.

O.B. Ron Quixote: Your name says it all. With what is supposed to pass for erudite observation, salted and peppered with literary allusions and casual idiom (how modest of you!), you spout absolute nonsense. 

Leaving alone your silly literary word play and your goofy metaphors, let’s just talk about the only direct thing you said (albeit couched in another silly pop/lit allusion): “Just keep clicking those ruby red shoes of yours together, Ellen, and repeat, ‘there’s no place for conservative women, there’s no place for conservative women…’ “ For all your pretense of intellectualism, you apparently can’t even read. Goodman didn’t dismiss her because she’s conservative, but because she falls for the ultimate populist conceit: she thinks she’s qualified to be president because she’s a mother. Goodman wouldn’t write that article about Kathleen Parker or Elizabeth Dole or some other conservative woman, because they would never say such a ridiculous thing.

If you’re comfortable with someone with the depth and breadth of knowledge and intellect of Sarah Palin tackling our nation’s many and complicated problems, more power to you. Just be honest in your pursuit of windmills.

The Democrats are in trouble.  Their voters are figuring out that the wars are expanding, not ending. Now everyone is seeing how we are all getting shafted by health care reform that really just blocks any reform while Obama is President.

So, quick, get the Democratic propaganda machine to crank out more Sarah Palin stories ... fast.  The masses need distracting.

A similarity to Reagan would explain right-wing fascination with Palin.  It wouldn’t explain liberal or left-wing fascination with Palin.  My theory, advanced before, is that it’s a kind of ideological pornography, similar to the fascination with Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and so on, a kind of childish fascination with violation of the social code.  “Oooh—did he really say ‘poopy’?”

Speaking of pornography, why is Palin supposed to be sexy?  Can someone explain this?  She looks like a real estate agent or an accountant.

My view continues to be that if the string-pullers selected Palin on the basis of sex appeal, they did an excellent job.  Lady Palin´s adjustment to life is exemplified by a husband and five children, maintenance of which is no small task.  Topping it off with the governorship of Alaska comprises quite a pyramid.  However, comparatively speaking, I perceive several differences between the feminity, political affiliations and political experience of S. Palin and H. Clinton.  A husband who does not roam the world in search of feminine orifices into which to insert ones masculine endowment, makes for differences in intrafamilial relationships.  One single child, allegedly fathered by an outsider who is alleged to have committed suicide, preceded by additional allegations which had to be neutralized, is not the same as five children by one husband.  There is the newspaper report that a secret service, protector-type, questioning some unusual sounds, opened a bedroom door, to find – no, not S. Palin – in bed with another woman. A husband, five children plus a governorship?  Quite a woman!  In my book, chalk up one for S. Palin.

However, S. Palin has definitive political weaknesses.  First of all, she did not do a crooked oil deal thirty years ago for a certain oil-empirist, which earned the promise of the eventual US presidency.  Nor has her husband been governor of a state, which during his tenure was hosting a huge, illegal drug operation, in which national-level politicians were mentioned.  Investigators of the Mena Airport died abruptly, as their airplanes simply flew apart in the sky, from other „accidents“ or were demoted and transferred to „Kukamonga,“ with a death warning.  Dead men don´t talk, and their evidence was of course, never located.  Lady Palin has an additional weakness in the area of political clout and creativity.  She has not been reported to have developed her own list of persons to assassinate, in addition to the Red List and the Blue List.  Palin is also discredited with mostly, only local support.  Nor is there evidence that Palin had anyone assassinated in order to insure her the governorship.  Evidence suggests that JFK Jr. would have been a shoo-in for a certain senate position, until his airplane just blew up and fell out of the sky, removing him from the running. Right.

Gender aside, one vast group of neanderthal-types who smell of greenbacks, crude-oil, blood and drugs are comprised by American politicians.  An exceedingly small group, not neanderthals, that smell of honesty, hard work and body-odor is growing.  And swiftly.  Real Americans!  Is S. Palin one of these?.

hark,

Though not a liberal or progressive in the Orthodox sense or any other for that matter, sincerity of the question “What is this obsession that liberals have with Sarah Palin?”

Can you say Ronald Reagan?

My favorite line in this article is the quote “To any critics who say a woman can’t think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I’d just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave.”

Perhaps the ‘Neanderthal’ got hung up on the reference to thinking and Sarah Palin at the same time. I sure did, and I was a Working Mother with 4 kids in the ‘masculine’ profession of Mechanical Engineering in the 1960’s

If one is going to talk substance in the same sentence with Palin, the only thing which can be said, oxymoron becomes glaringly real and maybe could be used for Websters?

And so the incomprehensible fascination of progs for Palin continues….

As some radical feminists of the 70’s used to say, someday a woman will be the ultimate weapon in the hands of the boys. As far as I am concerned, both Clinton and Palin fit that bill.