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Posted on Sep 29, 2010

By Joe Conason

For Americans still suffering from persistent unemployment, falling incomes and rising inequality, politicians of either party probably generate little enthusiasm. Yet although political ennui is understandable, the disaffection and demoralization of Democrats have created a dangerous political vacuum that is being filled with misleading data, urban legends and outright lies.

Indeed, the entire tea party movement was founded on false assumptions about the economic program that probably saved the country from a second Great Depression.

The nascent protests that came to be known as the tea party began as angry populist rants against the Troubled Asset Recovery Program (TARP), that notorious “bailout” of drowning banks and insurance companies, and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, better known as the “stimulus program.”

Red-faced traders and furious housewives joined forces against what they wrongly called “socialism,” warning that our freedom was endangered, and that the nation might soon perish under burgeoning inflation and draconian regulation. They grew even more frantic when the Obama administration directed hundreds of billions of dollars in TARP funds toward the auto industry in loans and shares—more socialism!

The real reason behind the irritation of the traders and their spokesmen on cable television was simple enough. The government had restricted their usual obscene bonuses in recognition of the fact that they had been saved by taxpayer funds from their own gross misconduct—and should not be rewarded for surviving on the teat.

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As for the tea party housewives and their cohorts, the motives ranged from xenophobia to paranoia. But as the recovery lagged—and the Obama White House failed to communicate its aims and achievements—those typical symptoms of right-wing delusion showed up in a broader segment of the voting public.

In the meantime, the Republicans and their allies in the media managed to mischaracterize the president’s health care reform bill as both a “government takeover” and a gift to the health insurance industry, although in reality it was neither. Most Americans who say that they dislike the bill have very little knowledge of its actual provisions—which are quite popular when polled individually.

The average voter is equally unlikely to know the essential facts about the preservation of auto companies, the stimulus package or TARP—which was approved with the votes of the same Republican leaders they may soon promote into the majority.

Nonpartisan experts both within and outside government have said for months that TARP not only saved the country from untold economic disaster, but that its repayments and warrants will end up as highly profitable investments. The auto industry isn’t quite as sure to prosper as the banks, of course, but there is a reasonable likelihood that the government will make money on those investments, too—while preserving a vital industry and millions of jobs.

As for the stimulus, economists across the ideological spectrum have contradicted the popular perception—promoted by tea party publicists—that the program didn’t work and may even have done harm. The Republicans insist that government cannot create jobs and that public expenditure only “crowds out” private-sector investment.

But contrary to that Chamber of Commerce mythology, the private sector is currently sitting on more than $3 trillion, in banks and corporate accounts, that is not being invested because of insufficient demand. Rather than the rampant inflation predicted by the tea party ideologues, we have seen no real inflation—because demand is still insufficient to reinflate the economy. The Barack Obama stimulus program was enough to prevent the complete deflation that might have led to a depression, but not enough to begin a full recovery in employment.

The same conservatives who now claim that Obama’s program didn’t work are those who once warned that President Bill Clinton’s program would lead to ruin—just before the greatest peacetime expansion in history. Believe them at your peril.

Joe Conason writes for The New York Observer.

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By Smoove, January 4, 2011 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

The origins of the Tea Party lay in TARP and of bailing out stupid and reckless behavior by both Main Street and Wall Street alike. TARP saved the politically connected Wall Street firms, but the effects of helping Main Street and the overall economy are grossly exaggerated.

Moreover, the problem with the “too big to fail” mantra is that gov’t meddling has created a monster that is too big to bail out.

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By ardee, October 6, 2010 at 5:02 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, October 4 at 1:22 pm

I neither curse you in print or in private, you arent worth such effort frankly. All your ravings about my impolitic responses hide your inability to respond to the numerous points I have cited, and nothing more than that. Not once, not one single time
have you chosen to speak to the charges I have leveled against you loyalty to a party that has been disloyal to all but the corporation. Do you think that goes unnoticed here?

You have evolved here from a “progressive” enmired in Democratic Party loyalty to a reactionary cursing Progressives for all the ills of your Party. The last two years have shown you nothing, have failed to penetrate your hidebound political ignorance.

You choose to create a bogeyman so horrific that voting against it is the sum and substance of your politics. How very stupid you are.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 5, 2010 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

Tobysgirl, you leave me (almost) speechless.

Have you not been reading what I’ve been writing?  Yes, LBJ’s Viet Nam policy was atrocious.  But that doesn’t change the fact that Progressives have attacked every Democratic President as vigorously as they do the Republicans.  That means every Democratic President starting with LBJ was at a disadvantage vis-a-vis his opponent, giving the GOP an edge.

For that, I can and will blame Progressives.  Take responsibility for your actions!

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By Tobysgirl, October 4, 2010 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

You know what, ITW? I was a typesetter in Boston in the 1970s and was busy typesetting political news from all over the world for radical publications. I can say unpleasant things about progressives as well, mostly from a class perspective, but I choose not to, because I really don’t think they are the problem.

Did I say I thought LBJ was the greatest thing since sliced bread? I did not. He was a vicious idiot when it came to foreign policy. But there was significant legislation during his presidency that I cannot dismiss. And I’m no fan of Jack Kennedy. Can’t people think in a complex way? Do you either have to love Democrats or hate them?

The people arguing here often have excellent points to make. I don’t understand why one person can’t accept that someone else cannot bring himself to vote for Democrats, and another person can’t accept that someone else is voting for Democrats.

And why must progressives always be blamed for the glaring failings of Democratic presidents? I don’t think LBJ, Carter, Clinton, or Obama consulted with left-wing radicals before making decisions about anything, so why should we bear responsibility for their shortcomings?

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By Maani, October 4, 2010 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

Now, now, play nice in the sandbox, boys…LOL

In the meantime, in case anyone had any doubts, the TP and the “perfect storm” of money, media, power and politics:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/opinion/04krugman.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

Peace.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 4, 2010 at 9:22 am Link to this comment

Ardee,

You’ve gone way beyond appropriate discourse, beyond even the normal level of insults people here deal with, even beyond GRYM. Now you are at the Nemesis level of personal attacks.

I have nothing wrong with me other than I refuse to buy into your twisted logic.  This has made you periodically crazy and abusive towards me, again, like Nemesis did (TD removed those posts of his).

I can just imagine you cursing at your keyboard while you call me names.  BTW, “Shite” is an older word for “Shit”, so why not just say it? Or at least spell it $#!t.

Despite all your venom you ironically have me laughing. After all, who is clearly eating his heart out more? You or me?

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By omop, October 4, 2010 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

Our TD study group is shocked to learn that Charles Krauthammer of all people
is publicly supporting Sarah Palin and the Lies of the Tea Party.

  Its unbelievable that Chuck Ktauthammer of the WP supports mindless replicants
as Lafayette stated on September 30. 2010.

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By BR549, October 4, 2010 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

Hey kids,
Knock it off or you’ll be sent to your rooms with no dinner.  ):o/

The one thing that continues to amaze me is how much people keep focusing
on what these two parties have become, instead of looking at the values that
each of them had in the past. Being Republican is a far cry from embracing
“republicanism” and it’s unfortunate that, over many decades, members of our
population have latched onto values of that party at various stages in our
history and used those values to embrace as their own personal values.

What these well meaning citizens unfortunately do not realize is that there is no
resemblance of the admirable virtues of republicanism of old and the self-
serving fascistic Republican Party of today. Anyone claiming to be a Republican
today needs to understand that difference, otherwise, if they DO support the
values of the current party, they are fascists, flat and simply.

Now, this doesn’t let the Democrat Party off the hook, either. That party has
played its tune and led its lemming followers down a similar path.

So, what we’re left with is an entire population of voters attempting to embrace
various venerated noble attributes from yesteryear that no longer exist in either
party ..... and those voters are left even more violently struggling to keep their
head above water because the life ring they thought would be able to save
them and support their personal belief system turned out to be waterlogged.

As they flail around looking for anything that seems to float, their tunnel vision
has left them unaware of the 500 ft waterfall ahead. And this holds true for all
those hard core hold outs to either party.

We’ve all come to TD and other sites because we know something is drastically
wrong and we all care enough to try to do something about it.

Hurry up, your dinner’s getting cold.

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By ardee, October 4, 2010 at 4:51 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, October 3 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment


Ardee:
Maybe you should tag-team with GRYM and his ad hominem attacks on me.  Other than the irrelevancy of your opposing political positions, you are like frick and frack.

You are your own worst enemy, laddy. Your increasingly unstable posts are becoming a real concern. I have never agreed with you concerning the worth of your party but now you descend into a dark and strange place , one in which you post distortion and untruth as does, by the by,GRYM. Thus you seem to be,lately, a better ally of his.

How dare you question my honor and commitment simply because you are too dogmatic to be able to honestly evaluate it?

I question your integrity because you are lying more and more, simply that and nothing else. In fact, you are one of the most dogmatic posters here! I pointed out your distortion of the words of Coop who criticized you and you turn it around to me.. Sad, and symptomatic I fear. Are you on a new drug?

Go back to your creepy desire to see the GOP take charge, turn our nation into a real dictatorship so that “the people” will rise up and create a new third party to replace them all.

But don’t forget: It has long be the GOP leaders’ plan to devise a system where they maintain permanent power…Tom DeLay’s and Karl Rove’s “perpetual majority” tied to the K-Street Plan.  Think that’s dead?  For a guy who believes that the CIA and Mossad bombed the WTC it’s amazing that you don’t see what the GOP has been aiming at since 1980.

More examples of your increasing instability. I have been as vocal in my critique of the GOP as I have of the Democrats but then truth seems strangely absent from your recent efforts. Are you under some strain of late?

Lastly, where the f**k you get this shite from? I have been a critic of this particular conspiracy theory forever. You may actually be GYRM if one only considers your last couple of weeks of postings.

What a complete jerk you have become, sad really really sad.

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By BR549, October 3, 2010 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

The economy is headed more into the toilet. People are realizing that Obama too
had lied to them. Their stress level increases. Everyone’s tolerance threshold has
narrowed. And here we are on TD with some people ready to wring others throats.

That’s EXACTLY what THEY want to have happen. They want us to be spending all
our energy arguing amongst ourselves.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 3, 2010 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

Ardee:
Maybe you should tag-team with GRYM and his ad hominem attacks on me.  Other than the irrelevancy of your opposing political positions, you are like frick and frack.

How dare you question my honor and commitment simply because you are too dogmatic to be able to honestly evaluate it?

Go back to your creepy desire to see the GOP take charge, turn our nation into a real dictatorship so that “the people” will rise up and create a new third party to replace them all.

But don’t forget: It has long be the GOP leaders’ plan to devise a system where they maintain permanent power…Tom DeLay’s and Karl Rove’s “perpetual majority” tied to the K-Street Plan.  Think that’s dead?  For a guy who believes that the CIA and Mossad bombed the WTC it’s amazing that you don’t see what the GOP has been aiming at since 1980.

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By ardee, October 3, 2010 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, October 2 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

coop: maybe you can convince ardee to use reasonable discourse.  i cannot.

Are you actually this blind, or pompous and arrogant? I repost the sentence in question:

“00p, October 2 at 9:15 am

Simple request.  I wish Inherit The Wind would cease using the periodic all caps and the sporadic yelling. “

You have your head so firmly in that nether region that you cannot even notice when criticisms are directed your way. Further, of late your rants are becoming more addled, less accurate, less thoughtful and certainly far,far more to the extreme right. Now you claim that the entire history of the decline of the Democratic Party can be laid at the doorstep of the Progressives among them.

Unbelievable, and I mean that sincerely in shock at your disclosure that you are a democratic far rightie who has pretended towards moderate politics all this time.

I am not angry with you ITW, I am sorry for you. You will never be a part of the solution and these last few efforts of yours will haunt you and condemn you for what you are, a reactionary democrat with no ability to see past your own twisted belief structure. Why on earth have you been pretending all this time to be a reasonable and honest person?

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By Inherit The Wind, October 3, 2010 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

Tobysgirl’s virulent attacks on the last four Democratic Presidents exactly proves my point.  For example: Did YOU stand up between 1977 and 1981 and say “Brezinski is WRONG! We shouldn’t be supporting the Mujahedin in Afghanistan.” (Did you even know who the Mujahedin were back then? Did you care?)

All four were constantly attacked, expected to be “perfect” Left neo-Socialist Progressives and were loudly and vigorously attacked by the Progressives like Tobysgirl.  Just as I said they were.  All made serious mistakes.  So do all Presidents.  But, unlike the Democrats, the Republicans wait till the idiot is out of office to destroy him (except for Reagan, whom they tried to turn into the GOP’s FDR).

Yeah, TG, I’m a professional now.  But I worked as a carpenter, building houses and wondering if I was going to make the next rent check for years.  So don’t throw your reverse snobbery at me. 

And in all those years I only met ONE Progressive on a construction site.  The rest ranged from casual to extreme Right wing “conservatives” and not a few religious fanatics. Lots of racists, too.

Most Progressives I’ve known were either college-educated or autodidacts from an earlier generation, most of whom had moved into white-collar jobs by dint of pure hard work (like my own parents).

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By Maani, October 2, 2010 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

“Maani, I know it’s tough agreeing with me, but suck it up! You’re strong!”

Thanks.  That’s the nicest thing you’ve ever said to me…<<<blushes>>>

Tropicgirl:

“Ron Paul was the first political leader of the Tea
Party, and although he wasn’t the founder…he was
the inspiration of it undeniably.”

Uh, not quite.  The original “Tea Party” was held two YEARS before Ron Paul co-opted it.  It came out of the Boston 9/11 Truth “tea party” in 2006, and then again in 2007.  Many of Ron Paul’s followers were at the latter event, and co-opted the idea for their first event a few months later.  For better or worse, the 9/11 Truth Movement was (unwittingly, and almost certianly unintentionally) the “inspiration” for the TP.

Tobysgirl:

“ITW, I don’t think leftists sunk LBJ. He was probably our greatest president, for all his flaws, since FDR.”

Yikes!  In addition to the reasons stated by others why this is not so, let’s not forget that LBJ was so determined to escalate the “war” in Vietnam that he lied to the American public in his televised speech re the Gulf of Tonkin incident - which he knew, days before the speech, was a lie.  Thus, his lie cost the lives of the majority of the 58,000 Americans killed in Vietnam.  I would say that fact alone removes him from consideration as our “greatest president”...since anyone.

All:

A couple of interesting TP-related Op-Eds:

Frank Rich (I strongly recommend this one):

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/opinion/03rich.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

Tom Friedman:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/opinion/03friedman.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

Peace.

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By BR549, October 2, 2010 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

Tobysgirl,

Johnson was far from our greatest president. He was quoted as saying after the JFK assassination, “That bastard will never embarrass ME again.” He couldn’t stand JFK. Don’t get me started on FDR.

Then where was Johnson’s traitorous response to the USS Liberty murders by the Israelis in 1967. The bastard ordered the US Navy rescue ships to stand down while the Israeli smegma were machine-gunning our wounded men in lifeboats during peacetime.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0603liberty0603.html

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By Tobysgirl, October 2, 2010 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

ITW, I don’t think leftists sunk LBJ. He was probably our greatest president, for all his flaws, since FDR. But he surrounded himself with idiots, a terrible failing of men in power, and he sunk himself with Vietnam. See Barbara Tuchman and add some Marxist analysis, which she unfortunately omits.

Then we had Carter, who had no experience at Washington politics, and surrounded himself with the likes of Brzezinski (who began the funding of the Taliban, speaking of idiots). I don’t think Carter is the genius he tells us he is, and for proof see his arguments for supporting NAFTA. Any white man who could grow up in rural Georgia and say he didn’t realize there were poor people, what?

With Clinton, we once again had a president who didn’t know how to manipulate senators and representatives, another Southern governor from another state where the governor was basically a figurehead. No progressives sunk Clinton; he and Hillary made it clear that their loyalty was to the DLC and not Democratic voters.

I did not vote for Obama because I saw him as a weakling, found his speeches to be empty rhetoric and his advisors to be repulsive (Brzesinski again! and those stupid white boys, Geithner, Summers, Rubin). Progressives have done nothing to Obama; he’s done it to himself with kowtowing to all the people he had to kowtow to in order to win the presidency.

Unlike you, I am not and never have been a professional. I’ve been poor, I made good money when typesetting was still a skilled trade, I’m now disabled. All the progressives I know work hard at their daily struggles to make a little dent in our heartless, warmongering society. They don’t sink presidents, who seem quite skilled at doing so themselves.

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By omop, October 2, 2010 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

Who cares about lies or lying?

  Sarah P. now has a dedicated political and influential group supporting her.

  http://jewsforsarah.com/

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By Inherit The Wind, October 2, 2010 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

coop: maybe you can convince ardee to use reasonable discourse.  i cannot.

e.e.cummings, the man with the broken shift key.

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By c00p, October 2, 2010 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

Simple request.  I wish Inherit The Wind would cease using the periodic all caps and the sporadic yelling.  While pointed from the standpoint of rhetoric, it really does little in terms of identifying common ground between points of view.  For example, in the interchanges with Ardee, when the caps are in full swing you’d think they were like night and day.  Patient and considered analysis of their views, in my view, does not support that.  They have much in common.  Why not pick a specific issue (e.g. health care) and state your preferred approaches the issue.  Then, if there are pragmatic considerations that make that preferred approach undoable then state what adjusted approach you think would work (or would have worked) and why.  In this way we can calmly see exactly what you believe and whose interests you support.  This strikes me as reasonable.

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By ChaviztaKing, October 1, 2010 at 11:30 pm Link to this comment

Capitalism in Crisis: 160 years after the Communist Manifesto

http://www.frso.org/about/statements/2008/capitalism-in-crisis.htm

By Freedom Road Socialist Organization

“Modern bourgeois society,” wrote Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in the Communist Manifesto, “with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells.”

Marx and Engels, the founders of the modern communist movement, wrote those prophetic words in 1848, on the eve a great wave of social revolution that changed the face of Europe. Today, 160 years later, we are witnessing the deepest crisis since the Great Depression in the 1930s. The words of the Manifesto ring out just as true as ever and the scientific principles of Marxism-Leninism are affirmed.

The basic contradiction of capitalism is between private, capitalist accumulation and the social character of production. Millions of people work under a complex division of labor in order to produce goods and services, while a tiny group makes enormous profits from it. This leads to periodic crisis of overproduction where unsold goods pile up while the capitalists slash production and lay off workers.

For the last 25 years the capitalists have tried to limit the scope of these crisis through expanding credit and financial speculation. But these efforts only led to the even greater crisis that we see today. We have witnessed gigantic banks collapse under the impact of the of the bursting credit bubble. This bubble has created the illusion of prosperity when the underlying reality has been deregulation, privatization, de-unionization and falling wages for the past 25 years. All the while, wealth has been concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. This new crisis is being compared to the Great Depression and it is global in scope.

We have witnessed an $850 billion dollar rip-off on the part of the ruling class to bail out some of these failing financial institutions. At the same time, working people are losing their homes, finding it necessary to look for additional work and finding it more and more difficult to pay for such everyday basics as food and fuel. This is what the Communist Manifesto means in saying that capitalism creates its own gravediggers. Tremendous effort on the part of oppressed nationality and working class people to fight back is becoming more and more necessary, as the rich threaten our jobs, our benefits and our social services. We must also fight against the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and guard against the possibility of new wars against Iran and Pakistan.

Basically, the main point of the Communist Manifesto is that society changes through class struggle. As Mao Zedong, the leader of the Chinese revolution, once said: “Everything reactionary is the same; if you don’t hit it, it won’t fall.” All progressive people must understand this. Capitalism, this rotten system of worldwide mass-robbery, will not collapse by itself. In the trade unions, in the oppressed nationality communities, in the anti-war and student movements, we must get more organized and prepare for more struggles

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By Inherit The Wind, October 1, 2010 at 9:34 pm Link to this comment

Right, Ardee.  I’m supposed to trust YOUR memory of the era over mine.  I’m not the one living in a fantasy world that all you have to do is whine loud enough and we’ll all, by national consensus, make Ralph Nader the President and Dennis Kucinich the Speaker of the House.

Go ahead.  Deny that Progressives didn’t shred LBJ, Carter, Clinton and now, Obama.  Go ahead!  I grew up amongst the ultra-Left Progressives. I heard them shred LBJ. 
I was an adult and I heard and read them shredding Carter, among my parents’ friends, in the Progressive press, and in graduate school. 
I was a married man, a professional and approaching 40, and heard and read then shredding Clinton.

To pretend that Progressives haven’t ambushed viciously every Democratic President for the last 46 year is the same as pretending Fox Noise as “Fair and Balanced”.

Blind?  I believe MY memory before I’ll believe yours, Ardee.

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By LocalHero, October 1, 2010 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

Ardee you are (not surprisingly) correct.

It used to be said the the Democrats voted welfare while the Republicans voted warfare. Now, it’s all warfare all of the time. Not a dime’s worth of difference between the two.

Voting (if one must vote at all) for the lesser of two evils is cowardice and can’t be described any other way.

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By ardee, October 1, 2010 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, October 1 at 2:40 pm

A damn shame you are so very blind. Progressives are your enemy? Progressives are ruining the democratic party? Progressives havent a damn thing to say within that party and havent for years.

You do not see the money heaped upon the Democrats? Seventy five percent of Obama’s three quarters of a billion dollar war chest came from the wealthiest. Im not surprised you do not see this as you fail to see so much. Teddy Kennedy, in his role as a progressive ruined the Carter Presidency, aided by all those evil progressives? My goodness you live in a strange nation, one with which I have absolutely no familiarity.

So then, you yourself are no progressive then? What then do you see as your label? Blue Dog mayhaps? Moderate? Certainly you have spoken to several progressive agendas with positivism, yet now deny such and call progressives evil….what are you smoking and how can I get some?

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By Inherit The Wind, October 1, 2010 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

James Earl Carter’s Presidency was undermined and made futile BY DEMOCRATS who saw him as a Washington outsider and refused to cooperate with his agenda. An agenda, by the way, that looks increasingly smart not to mention prescient, today.

Reagan won because , just like today, democrats refused to alienate their monied contributors by telling the damn truth. Your entire rant is one of denial and you refuse to see anything but the lurking monster of republican rule, which is additionaly sad because the last two years of democratic rule has been republican rule..War,torture, economic ruin, all the rest I have continually cited and you continually ignore or refuse to face as it might challenge the walls you have built up to prevent any truth from sinking in.

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This is pure BS, Ardee. 
Fact: Carter was hurt by Teddy Kennedy, representing the hard left in the party.
Fact: The Progressive Left turned on Carter the instant he actually TRIED to implement realistic policy.
Fact: Reagan won for a number of reasons, including his superior “slob appeal” and the BRILLIANT engineering of the delay in the release of the hostages.  Plus the economy was el-stinko, but people were too dumb and ignorant to see that it was healing.
Fact: There’s no evidence that the “monied” group of Democrats (that vanishingly small group compared to the GOPers) were the reason Carter failed.

Fact: The Progressive Left has turned like a pack of wild dogs on EVERY Democratic President since 1964.  It’s not the “monied” group—it’s the so-called “Progressives” who consistently damage Democratic Presidents’ abilities to govern.

You just insult me because I won’t buy into your BS that there’s no difference between Dems and GOPers.  I deal with facts, but I ignore bullshit assertions that ANYBODY can see are false.

The ONE THING you are right about is that Jimmy Carter’s vision was profound, far-reaching and prescient.  But I’ve said that many, many times here.

Go throw your vote away and bitch and sulk like Hamlet that nobody cares or sees what you do.

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By tropicgirl, October 1, 2010 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

December 16th, 2007…

Many Tea Party activists will recognize this date:
the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. But many of
them will be confused as to why it was 2007.

On December 16th, 2007, over 30,000 people
individually donated over $6 billion to Ron Paul’s
campaign fund.

The largest “money bomb” (as it was called) ever, the
largest amount of money raised for a campaign ever
was, and it was all done on the anniversary of the
Boston Tea Party, and it was in Ron Paul’s name.

Ron Paul was the first political leader of the Tea
Party, and although he wasn’t the founder (the head
of the co-ordination of the money bomb was), he was
the inspiration of it undeniably. For some reason, no
one in the media wants to credit him with such a
deed. This is likely because ... well, I don’t know
why, but I can speculate.

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By BR549, October 1, 2010 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

My fear is that the all this anger will only help fuel more of the same Republican toxicity that we had during 12 of the last 22 years. That toxicity can only be matched by the deplorable toxic management by the Democrats during the other 10 years.

Conason misses the point entirely. People have a right to be angry. People in BOTH of the major parties have misrepresented themselves and their abilities, lied and distorted the facts to save their own asses, and quite frankly have violated the very oath they swore in upholding the Constitution. No party favorites here; they’re BOTH guilty. If we try to disaffiliate from the clutches of these parties and vote our conscience, we always seem to wind up in the same place. It’s like the movie, “Ground Hog Day,” only the comedy got tired a long time ago.

It’s like buying a new car (if we’ll ever be able to afford another new one) and trying to
bring it back to be fixed only to find out that your salesman got fired, the
dealership no longer carries that franchise and the service department no longer
works on the make you purchased. Every one of the people in management is
only looking for Friday’s paycheck and you’re only interrupting their coffee
break with your whining.

Conason makes no attempt to apologize for the crimes being continually committed because he’s at the head of the charge as a party standard bearer.

BTW, Joe, Clinton’s so called “surplus” was a flat out paper shuffle ..... As Craig Steiner has put it, “The growing deficits started in the year of the last Clinton budget, not in the first year of the Bush administration,” and that Clinton actually left the country with a $95B deficit, since Bush’s first budget didn’t go into effect until 10/1/01.

But back to the Demolitioncrats at present, nothing has changed. Did you happen to catch cartoonist Mr. Fish’s brilliant beauty on TD today:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/loose_lids_sink_ships_20100823/ ?
Let us know if you need it explained to you.

And yes, I did vote for Obama. I just don’t like being lied to, either.

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By Tobysgirl, October 1, 2010 at 6:25 am Link to this comment

Thanks, beerdoctor, great article. I was so tickled to see, in print in a national publication, what I’ve been saying for years. If you meet someone screaming about welfare, someone who doesn’t want other people to have the health care benefits they enjoy, they’re probably collecting some form of public largesse. If food stamps are welfare, so are veterans disability, Social Security, Social Security disability (which I’m on), state employee pensions, etc, etc.

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By ardee, October 1, 2010 at 4:59 am Link to this comment

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I respect your right to your own opinion, even if that opinion is nothing more or less than a clarion call for the status quo.

Please note that ITW refuses to deal with the obvious complicity his cherished ( and tarnished) party demonstrates, especially these last two years. He only continues to parrot the meaningless mantra that democrats are better than republicans, even when it has become painfully obvious that democrats take us on the very same road that have republicans, insanity? I wish I knew.

ITW Your arguments become almost painful, not to mention shameful, I am embarrassed for you, really.

James Earl Carter’s Presidency was undermined and made futile BY DEMOCRATS who saw him as a Washington outsider and refused to cooperate with his agenda. An agenda, by the way, that looks increasingly smart not to mention prescient, today.

Reagan won because , just like today, democrats refused to alienate their monied contributors by telling the damn truth. Your entire rant is one of denial and you refuse to see anything but the lurking monster of republican rule, which is additionaly sad because the last two years of democratic rule has been republican rule..War,torture, economic ruin, all the rest I have continually cited and you continually ignore or refuse to face as it might challenge the walls you have built up to prevent any truth from sinking in.

To me you epitomize that famous Pogo cartoon wherein the little rascal notes that “I have seen the enemy and it is us”.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 1, 2010 at 4:00 am Link to this comment

“You homo-jumped Democrats”???

I guess in your circles you are known as “Mr. Sensitivity”, right?  NOT!

In light of the two suicides in just the last few days by teens who were bullied and humiliated about being Gay, you sound like the guy sent from “Neanderthals-R-US”.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 30, 2010 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

Maani, I know it’s tough agreeing with me, but suck it up! You’re strong!

(anyway, thanks for the grins and chuckles) smile

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By My Tea Party, September 30, 2010 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment
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Enough abuse from this Conason guy. You homo-jumped Democrats need to continue hiding in your spider-holes, yes, don’t push facts which will save your weepy-eyed “Party” from oblivion; facts like, say, two years after Reagan took office, he had driven Carter’s 7% unemployment rate to up over 10 1/2%. Facts like Bush II dragged the country into two recessions, the second of which was almost fatal. And there’s that thing about he and Cheney presiding over the attacks on the US. The Republicans about to take control of Congress, people not fit to work as floor-sniffers at a Tijuana bar, are going to prevail for one reason only: independent voters feel like wretching as they see Dem leaders quaking in their footies, helpless even in their majority. Voters of every stripe feel the pull of natural-selection, the instinct to reject weakness out of hand. It doesn’t matter that the Republican leadership is a sack of prion-infested beef by-product. All that will matter in November is the image in voters minds, the image of the generic Republican with his boot on the neck of a squealing Democrat male. My Teabags Party has approved this message.

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By Maani, September 30, 2010 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

Ardee:

I’m with ITW on this (I can’t believe I just said that!  LOL).  Yes, the GOP and the Dems are all one transnational corporate party, puppeted by the same corporate interests, lobbyists, etc.  But for reasons which are unclear - but have always been true - there IS a difference between them (or perhaps their “masters” PERMIT a difference…).

Even if the only difference is that Obama and the Dems will get us to fascism at a slower rate than the GOP (and especially the TP!), then I’ll take that slower rate for the time being, and continue to work on more systemic change as I can.

But ITW’s analogy re the fire and the water is absolutely apt.

Peace.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 30, 2010 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

jim.w.w, - “Over the last two years in particular I have seen little from them in terms of policy, or direction, except for the obvious role that they feel is theirs, to obstruct any and everything they can from happening.”

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That is precisely what the minority party does while in the minority.  We’re all about to witness democrats in the House begin doing precisely that after Nov..  Obstruct anything and everything they can from happening.

People forget that “obamacare” was obstructed by his own party for over a year.  Not a single republican vote was needed.  Same with Cap and Trade..etc.  I know of no one campaigning on their vote or support for either.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 30, 2010 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

jim.w.w,

In a rather broad sense I’m not one who believes that the U.S. President tremendously influences the global economy. Let alone the U.S. economy. - As well it should be.  There seems to be few economists speaking in real terms of Washington politics when it comes to, say, a housing bubble. - In other words; in my opinion, neither Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, or George W. Shrub caused today’s unemployment.  These men did not cause the 08 recession.

Still broadly speaking, the U.S. President can set certain “policy” trends which does have effect, however, the U.S. President has little control of the always fluid global markets.  Markets which have little to do with republican/democratic infighting.

Domestically speaking; I believe the Congress spends U.S. tax dollars.  Therein lay the responsibility.  Washington gave us a deficit, allowed Fannie Mae its over-extensions, and failed miserably to investigate Bernie Madoff.

If one is against “Obamacare” or “Bush’s War” vote out those who support those issues.  Unlike most of the globe America is great that way.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 30, 2010 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

You know, Ardee, people had your attitude back in 1980 about Jimmy Carter.  So we got Ronald Reagan and we started down this cliff of insanity.  It leveled off a little with GHWB, but was still down hill.  With Bill Clinton we finally started going a little uphill, despite the battle from the GOP after 1994.  Then, in 1980, people as foolish as you believed there was no difference between Gore and Bush and you STILL pretend that’s true.

I can’t help that. I could quote statistics and legal decisions and you’d see none of it, as you do now.

You TRULY think Obama’s exactly the same as Bush.  I cannot believe you delude yourself so badly. Do you WANT America to take the final steps to becoming a Mussolini Italy or Franco Spain?

In one of Ayn Rand’s wisest moments, she said that those who think there’s no difference between a wage slave and a real slave will soon learn the difference when the whip hits their back.

Realize that Dick Cheney seriously proposed “postponing” the 2004 election.  That’s how close we came to REALLY having whips on our backs.

If I wasn’t an Agnostic I’d pray you wouldn’t have to learn the difference the hard way.  But since I am Agnostic, I must merely hope that.

But if the people YOU say are no different than Obama get in power, I don’t think you’ll have that Harley-Davidson too much longer—you’ll have sell it.  And I’ll have to sell my FJR, too.

I don’t know about YOU, but I’ve already taken a lot of big hits from Bush.  Yes, I lost my job under Obama, but that was in April of 2009, just after he came in. I didn’t work again until September It was caused by Bush’s policies.  And the slow ending of the bleeding also came under Obama, which is why I have been able to keep my new job.  It’s as simple as that.

Fundamental, and as alien to you as that new earth-like planet they just found.

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Ardee,

You still don’t get it.  Our “house” is on fire. You object to using polluted water to put it out, preferring to let the house burn down.  I prefer to put the fire out.

It’s as fundamental as that.

In the words of my grandchildren…OMG. What you call analogous to putting out a fire I call as it really is, continuing to feed the damn fire whether it is with GOP or Democratic fuel. Had the last two years of Bush-lite not shown you anything.

Which fire are you so concerned with quenching, ITW. The fire of stupid and endless war? The fire of allowing the financial community to steal our children’s future and get away scott free? The fire of an out of control insurance industry leaving millions of Americans without any health care but the emergency room? The raging conflagration of a guaranteed profit for the wealthiest and a guarantee of insolvency for the rest of us? The burning of our constitution in places like Abhu Ghraib and Guantanemo as well as a govt as obsessed with secrecy as was the previous one?

My goodness, sir, I wish I had your ability to ignore the obvious….Oh wait, no I don’t. The two years of an Obama Presidency and a Democratic Congress have given us nothing but more Bush. Your fire analogy is really, truly meaningless.

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By Maani, September 30, 2010 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

Rigor:

“The biggest lie being told about the tea party is
that they and the republicans are one in the same…”

Umm….really?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/g-o-p-embraces-its-insurgents/?pagemode=print

Peace.

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By thebeerdoctor, September 30, 2010 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

Matt Taibbi recently traveled to Kentucky to check out the so-called Tea Party movement, which he covers in Rolling Stone. As someone who does not live far from there, who in fact once lived there, Taibbi’s account is somewhat brutal, but quite accurate.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/210904

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By Tobysgirl, September 30, 2010 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

Race, abortion, and gay rights were not manufactured by the MSM but the Republican Party as divisive issues to use for their own advantage. Nixon began the clear alliance of the Republican Party with white racists in the 1960s, which I, for one, am grateful for because I would rather have Dixiecrats call themselves Republicans. The Coors family and others of that ilk formed a group to protect their greedy interests, and realized that social issues such as gay rights and abortion access were useful in deflecting Americans’ attention from actual economic issues such as the wealthy paying their fair share of taxes.

I understand commenters who swear they will never vote for a Democrat again, and commenters who liken the Democratic Party to polluted water (to put out a fire). May I suggest one examine each individual candidate when deciding whether or not to vote? I did not vote for Obama because I knew he would be exactly the president he is, but I will be voting for the Democratic candidate for governor of Maine and even probably voting for my Democratic congressman again, though I am not fond of him. The Democratic candidate may not be the best governor ever, but she would not be the total disaster the Republican candidate would be (he doesn’t even understand the different functions of state and federal government, and I doubt he understands how state government works). If you have no decent candidates running for state and federal office in your state, then it’s perfectly comprehensible that you choose not to vote.

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By SarcastiCanuck, September 30, 2010 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment
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Lies of the Tea Party…gimme a break…all the politicians are bullshitters regardless of party.They are also in the deep pockets of big business.The majority(not all)of North Americans spend more money than they earn,are consumer junkies,waste precious natural resources like they were unlimited,shoot each other at epidemic levels,eat until they become Goodyear blimps and consume narcotics and alchohol at record breaking levels.They also have given up on books,knowledge,frugality and self control.They espouse the alleged wisdom of media know it alls like Dr.Phil,Tyra,Rush,Beck and the rest of that idiotic populist t.v. cast instead of trusting the wise common sense bestowed upon them by thier fore fathers.No wonder society is spiraling downwards.We have become a civilisation mired in denial,delusion,greed,superficiality and stupidity.
  Then they look for scapegoats.Try looking in the mirror people…..I think if the Founding Fathers were alive today,they’d shoot themselves through the head.The marvelous creation of American Democracy,where the common man accepted the responsibilities of freedom as well as the benefits,has been bastardised to what we have today.A populace of confused whiners,not knowing who to blame…...Lindsay Lohan for president y’all…..

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By c.d.embrey, September 30, 2010 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment
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Why would it have been bad to let Wall St and AIG implode? Maybe we
would have re-regulated back to the safeguards we had in the pre
deregulation days, instead of the weak kneed POS reform that was
passed.

Billions saved from TARP could have gone into a real stimulus package.
One that would have put many Americans into WPA style projects
rebuilding our infrastructure. Instead of the money going to Wall St
bonuses, we could be building a coast to coast and border to border
high speed passenger and freight system. Trains built in the USA!

With Wall St and Big Pharma/Big Insurance totally discredited, single
payer would have easily passed.

Etc, etc ,etc!

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By JDmysticDJ, September 30, 2010 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

Hammond Eggs

Correction; you’re devoid both of wit, and logic.

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By JDmysticDJ, September 30, 2010 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

Hammond Eggs

“To vote for a Democrat is tantamount to having a pickpocket defecate on your head.”

You expose yourself as being just another crass cretin. You nihilistic, self destructive, suicidal morons seem to be totally devoid of logic, and only motivated by anger and hatred.

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By dcrimso, September 30, 2010 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

Greatest transfer of wealth in U.S. history, coupled with the greatest inequality of wealth in the modern world, equals America in the dumpster.  But you know what?  It gets worse.  This economic system is bankrupt, not only because everybody’s broke, but because it’s a fools errand.  Unlimited economic growth is impossible in a finite ecosystem.  Keep on denying our fundamental problem by watching morons like Beck, Limbaugh, and Armey.  They sure will give you a dollar, when you’re on the street.

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By G.Anderson, September 30, 2010 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

And yet health care reform was a give away to the plutocracy as was financial reform,
etc., etc., etc..  It was put place by, deals, and large amounts of money spent by the
health care companies lobbyists. To the tune of several hundred million dollars.
Unfortunately for the Dims the pubic was paying attention this time. So if all else fails
blame it on those nasty thieving Republicans.

Our government has a personality disorder. Government by blaming. Each one games
the other, yet in the blaming they prove that there is no difference.

No difference at all.

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By felicity, September 30, 2010 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

From their looks a lot of teabaggers seem to be of my
generation. Thirty-five some-odd years ago - I’m
guessing - this same bunch went ballistic when young
men started growing long hair and sporting beards.

However, other than screaming “Goddamn Hippies” out
their car windows whenever they saw a bearded long-
hair, they were relatively harmless - ugly but
harmless. And, like today’s teabaggers they didn’t
have a cause, a platform, a philosophy - they merely
had an intense hatred of ‘hippies.’

If I’m reading them right, teabaggers hate the
government, that amorphous body on which to blame all
the ills that beset us today.  (I have yet to hear
teabaggers scream “Goddamn Government” from their car
windows probably because you can’t see something
that’s amorphous.)

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By Hammond Eggs, September 30, 2010 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

I no longer give a damn what these Democrat shills, apologists and stooges say to get progressives to the polls for their corrupt, lying, thieving, murdering candidates.  I will never again vote for a Democrat. If you still believe in Obama, the Clintons, Rahm Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and their fellow Democrat marauders, there is nothing anyone can say that will dissuade you.  If you think the United States will go down the toilet at a slower rate and in a more “humane” style than it will under the Republicans, you are a fool. To vote for a Democrat is tantamount to having a pickpocket defecate on your head.

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By jim.w.w, September 30, 2010 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

ITW -

Strange, and perhaps scarily fitting, that all of the places you mentioned as Ayn Randian nightmares were all made that way by the interference and violence of our government and military.

It seems that we have the capacity to do this to anybody, including ourselves.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 30, 2010 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

“I say Yes, let the place burn to ground. “

Then you would have us live in an Ayn Rand nightmare, a society much like what is in Somalia, Afghanistan and Iraq.

You think “The People” (whoever they are) will then rise and install a Communist government and all will live in peace?

Excuse me, but I’m not drinking that kool-aid.

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By Big B, September 30, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

ITW

You will find that many in the old dimmo base are more than willing to not only let it burn, but throw gas on it too.

Liberals stayed home in 1994 because of Clintons lean to right and abandonment of liberal core values. liberals did not come back in great numbers until 2008 (because the powers that be in the dimmos smoke filled room shoved the vanilla Gore and the limp-dick Kerry out there) Pres Barry and the now dimmo leadership have done it again. It only took them 18 months to once again alienate liberal voters and disenfranchise the youth vote. The dimmos have done everything possible to queer this election, and I fear they will reap what they have sown.

But that fact alone will make most main stream and conserva-dems happy, for once again they will be prostrate at the feet of the republicans. When whining and crying and capitulation are the best the liberals can hope for from this current crop of dimmos, I say Yes, let the place burn to ground.

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By jim.w.w, September 30, 2010 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man -

Forgive the misconstruance of what you said.

I too wonder about, exactly, how Republicans plan on doing what they “Pledge” to do. They had eight years under the previous Administration to do these things (and 12 years under Reagan and Bush Sr.) and they seem to have failed in every attempt to achieve these goals.

Over the last two years in particular I have seen little from them in terms of policy, or direction, except for the obvious role that they feel is theirs, to obstruct any and everything they can from happening.

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By cmarcusparr, September 30, 2010 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

From Huffington Post, an article by Robert Reich:

“…Boehner and his colleagues are now calling for: shrink government, cut the federal deficit, reduce the national debt, and balance the budget.

“And we all know what happened after 1929, at least until FDR reversed course. Boehner and other Republicans would even like to roll back the New Deal and get rid of Barack Obama’s smaller deal health-care law. The issue isn’t just economic. We’re back to tough love (e.g., hatred for the misfortunate and impoverished). The basic idea is to force people to live with the consequences of whatever happens to them. In the late 19th century it was called Social Darwinism (Herbert Spencer). Only the fittest should survive, and any effort to save the less fit will undermine the moral fiber of society.”

We’re witnessing the rise of American National-Socialism, fascism, Nazism, call it what you will. Plutocratic oligarchy is another name for it. If you don’t know what such a government looks like, take a look at Pakistan today. Pakistan and the United States are looking more alike every year. Problem is, the USA is moving in the direction of Pakistan instead of the other way around.

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By bonito, September 30, 2010 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

surfnow, If we are now in the most intense Class
struggle our nation has ever seen, then it has to be
the most one sided one in history. If 2% of the
population owns 90% of the wealth, guess whom is
going to win that one.  We need a third political
party that just might come to the aid of the Working
People and and maybe help keep the poor from
starvation. 

Our one party system has demonstrated just whom they
represent, and, if they ever get around to putting
the USA back to work, it will be at jobs slightly
better than minimum wage. Good jobs will be harder to
find than hens teeth.  If we are lucky we will be
paid about one third of what the citizens were
accustomed to receiving, and, if you do not like that
then get a job as a politician they will still be
well paid.

The republican branch of the conservative party is
bound and determined to cut Social Security,
Medicare, Health Care, and any other help that keeps
the Middle Class or poor from drowning in this
present Sea of financial Disaster.  The only right
you will still have is to work for the man, and also
to stand in line outside the gate waiting for someone
to drop dead, and if you are lucky just might (if you
play your cards right) take that person’s place, so
that you too can drop dead someday.

Anyone who claims to work for a living and still
votes for a Teabagger, Republican, or, a conservative  
Democrat, has only themselves to blame for whom they
put in office.  Instead vote for a independent, or
progressive, at least it would be something
different, and just might work.

The rich and greedy have never given up anything without a struggle, this time will be no different. Those that Bad-mouth Unions, should stop and think of how the middle class was formed initially, if you think that you are going to succeed in this society without them, Then you are living in a fools Paradise. Good luck with that.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 30, 2010 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

jim.w.w, - “Saying that they (republicans) will do something and offering no plan as to how to do it seems a lot like a ruse to gain support instead of coming out and saying what they precisely have in mind and how to achieve it.

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You’re absolutely correct!  Although you misconstrued what I wrote in regards to “that somehow 50% of Americans (poor I’m assuming) derive all, or most, of their income from government sources.”

1. I am not a republican.

2. I was not writing only on the subject of “the poor”.  I, like yourself, was writing in the broader sense of income taxes, budgeting, and entitlements.

3.  I was actually making much the same argument you have made. In light of realities, which I briefly highlighted, how do the republicans in Congress plan to both cut taxes and prune government?

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By jim.w.w, September 30, 2010 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

ITW -

Part of that problem is that we know, and so do they, exactly who set the house on fire in the first place…and they have been cutting fire hoses with the precision of an axe for sometime now.

The idea that we have to “go” with what you view as the lesser of two evils because the house is on fire does little to stop the house from burning…and probably even less to repair the house once the fire is extinguished.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 30, 2010 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

Big B:
The problem is we are IN that house you are willing to let burn down. It’s OUR house, not our neighbor’s house.

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By jim.w.w, September 30, 2010 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man makes the classic Republican scapegoating argument, and false one to boot, that somehow 50% of Americans (poor I’m assuming) derive all, or most, of their income from government sources.
Those who paid into Social Security for the last 50 years are getting THEIR money back out of the system - not the governments.

As to what percentage of Americans pay no taxes - might you clarify what percentage of those making over $250,000 are paying no taxes, and derive much of their income from government subsidies on their business activities?

You’ll notice that in the government budgets that the majority of spending does not go to social assistance programs. Much of it goes to subsidies to business, and sadly still, the kind of spending that results in $500 toilet seats for the military.

How do Republicans plan on cutting spending and the size of the government? They’ve had a long time to do this but have offered no plan outside of a new “Pledge” to do so (offered to the public in bullet points with no clear strategy to achieve their policies, nor actual mention of those policies they would require to do what they say they must).

Saying that they will do something and offering no plan as to how to do it seems a lot like a ruse to gain support instead of coming out and saying what they precisely have in mind and how to achieve it.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 30, 2010 at 6:09 am Link to this comment

Conason continues to make the monumental mistake many on the democratic side have been making for over a year and a half.  Denigrating the Tea protesters. - Roughly 62% of independents claim to identify with Tea protester’s issues.

Angering and shoring up your base is obviously common politics. But Independents decide elections, Joe.

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In my opinion both parties have dilemmas. The Democrats imagined that, after the 2008 hope-and-change victory, America was ready for neo-(new)-socialism or could be finessed into it by the singular charm of Barack Obama. That fantasy is over. Now, no Democrat wants to run on Obamacare, card-check, takeovers of private enterprise, higher taxes, cap-and-trade, amnesty, and higher deficits, which leaves a Democratic candidate with the choice of either claiming that he voted against much of the Obama agenda, or ignoring it and attacking his or her Republican opponent in largely personal terms.

On the Republican side, the GOP must prune government and lower taxes — but that means contending with the fact that almost 50 percent of Americans pay no income taxes, perhaps 25 percent derive all their income from government pensions, social security, or entitlements, and another 25 percent derive a large percentage of their income from government redistributive mechanisms of some sort.

I believe we are set up for a 2010 Democratic washout, and then a passive-aggressive Obama in 2011–12, daring Republicans to make the needed cuts and balance expenditures with revenue — reaping the benefits of financial sobriety and restored business confidence while damning “them” who took away our safety nets. Should be interesting.

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By jim.w.w, September 30, 2010 at 6:06 am Link to this comment

What troubles me most about the Tea Party is not their philosophy (or running of clearly crank candidates) but the fact that they don’t have the guts to run as their own party, but instead feel that they must piggy back on the Republicans and their party apparatus.
If they were really so different than the Republicans then why do they run candidates as Republicans?

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By Big B, September 30, 2010 at 6:01 am Link to this comment

ITW

Sometimes you just have to let the house burn to the ground, for it is then much easier to build a new one.

I refuse to help put the fire out, saving the home for now, only to hand the door key back the same incompetant assholes that set the blaze in the first place.

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By surfnow, September 30, 2010 at 5:28 am Link to this comment

Rigor and others:  Stop harping on racism. Race,like abortion and gay marriage are the big go-to non-issues manufactured by the Korporate MSM to deflect the only real issue-  and that is we are in the midst of the most intense class struggle ever waged in this nation’s history.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 30, 2010 at 4:42 am Link to this comment

Ardee,

You still don’t get it.  Our “house” is on fire. You object to using polluted water to put it out, preferring to let the house burn down.  I prefer to put the fire out.

It’s as fundamental as that.

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By Rigor, September 30, 2010 at 4:41 am Link to this comment

The biggest lie being told about the tea party is
that they and the republicans are one in the same -
the second is the (designed) perception that they
are racist white folks.
Fools, like this Joe Conason, spew this divisive
diatribe for the glory of the almighty dollar, as
racism sells, and sells big. Had his article been
about the truths of the tea party nobody would pay a
wooden nickle for it - no drama.
As for “knowing the essential facts” about auto
bailouts and TARP, I know all I need to know; if you
run your business into the ground because your
greedy you go out of business, plain and simple -
it’s happening across the country right now /
UNLESS, OF COURSE, YOUR A BIG-TIME POLITICAL DONOR!
TRUTH= The tea party movement doesn’t give one
rats-ass about your political party affiliations -
only your integrity.
TRUTH= Some rep. (and dem.) politicians, as well as
others, are trying to save their integrity with the
citizenry by aligning themselves with the tea party,
but liars & cheats don’t hide in the shadows easily
when the light of truth hits them.
TRUTH= Anyone who refers to the tea party as
“teabaggers” is a bigot, but the “good” kind, as
they only hate white people, (and yes, whites hate
other whites for being white - just watch the rants
against me pile up here).

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By ardee, September 30, 2010 at 3:49 am Link to this comment

I am heartened by this post from ITW, one actually taking his party to task. That he couldn’t resist noting that the lesser of two evils is preferable I still see a ray of hope that he is emerging from the dense jungle of partisan blindness and inching however slowly into the sunshine of truth.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 30, 2010 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

But, Joe…it doesn’t matter as long as the Democrats continue their off-key tin-horn message.  You should SEE some of the crap I get from Bob Menendez, one of my two senators.  He’ll make every lame excuse for why they didn’t get in Re-Thug faces, and then BRAG about crappy legislation they did get through.

The GOP didn’t dilute the Health Insurance bill—Menendez’s fellow Dim senators did—and Menendez and the other leaders of the Dim majority LET THEM!  The Re-thugs don’t do that—did you see what Boehner and Blunt did to Barton? They made it PUBLIC they’d take his committee seats away if he didn’t back down!.

From the moment Reid and Pelosi took over the majorities in January of 2007 they have been decidely ineffective.  When the GOP had the slimmest of majorities in both houses, they STILL got their agenda done!

Republicans may be worse, much, MUCH worse than Democrats (and they are) but they GOT THINGS DONE!  The Dims have NO answer to the charge of being INEFFECTIVE!

For crying out loud, they didn’t even SUGGEST repealing the unConstitutional and un-American “Patriot Act”!

So by being radically stupid and as “forward thinking” as the French in building the Maginot Line, WWI-style defenses in 1938, (Hitler simply went around it), the Dims have given a HUGE opening to the Re-thugs and the Tea-baggers, neither of whom have a record of ANYTHING but disastrous policies!

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By basho, September 30, 2010 at 2:45 am Link to this comment

“...the disaffection and demoralization of Democrats have created a dangerous political vacuum that is being filled with misleading data, urban legends and outright lies.”

in other words, many of the sheeple have chosen to follow other “misleading data, urban legends and outright lies.”

“...about the economic program that probably saved the country from a second Great Depression.”

bad assumption, one of many.

“...warning that our freedom was endangered, and that the nation might soon perish under burgeoning inflation and draconian regulation.”

you might want to spend some time exploring the implications of this statement rather than just parroting it.

“The government had restricted their usual obscene bonuses”

this is a joke, right?

“Nonpartisan experts both within and outside government have said for months that TARP not only saved the country from untold economic disaster, but that its repayments and warrants will end up as highly profitable investments.”

wow, nonpartisan experts. lol

the article is a great example of mainstream pulp fiction.

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By RayLan, September 30, 2010 at 2:39 am Link to this comment

In principle, I don’t have a problem with the Keynesian solution of the TARP, just it’s execution. The Wall Street recepients should have been more accountable - They were just handed a welfare check - no questions asked. I don’t buy that they just gobbled up their free feast because there was no demand - they gave their CEO’s huge bonuses and raises - they enjoyed record profits - there was no need to entice demand - they were already stuffed with it by the US government.

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By Lafayette, September 29, 2010 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment

A JUST SOCIETY

The nascent protests that came to be known as the tea party began as angry populist rants against the Troubled Asset Recovery Program (TARP), that notorious “bailout” of drowning banks and insurance companies, and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, better known as the “stimulus program.”

Tea Partiers can rant till the cows come home, but the Keynesian Stimulus Package (of government credits/spending) were fundamental towards arresting the slide along the slippery-slope to hell that these brainless nerds refuse to acknowledge was almost dead-certain to happen had the Feds done nothing. (See the extent of that considerable effort detailed here.)

In fact, most economists (whenever they do agree) think we may need even more than the paltry $50/$60B in the works.

But Tea Partiers are stuck in a Time Warp, where everything would be better if the government only let markets alone in a Darwinian manner that assures survival of the fittest. Meaning, most assuredly, themselves ...

For crass selfishness, one can always count on the Tea Party - a bunch of mindless replicants oblivious to any sense of moral value or communal social ethic (aka a Just Society).

For them, the world is all about Me, me, me ... and the rest of you are just roadkill on the Highway of Life.

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