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Leaks Suggest Iran Is Now Winning in the Middle East

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Posted on Dec 7, 2010
AP / Vahid Salemi

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad waves to the media in October as he leaves an event in Tehran at which he awarded Iran’s highest national medal to his Syrian counterpart, Bashar al-Assad.

By Juan Cole

Iran is winning and Israel is losing. That is the startling conclusion we reach if we consider how things have changed in the Middle East in the two years since most of the WikiLeaks State Department cables about Iran’s regional difficulties were written. Lebanon’s Sunni prime minister, once a virulent critic, quietly made his pilgrimage to the Iranian capital last week. Israeli hopes of separating Syria from Iran have been dashed. Turkey, once a strong ally of Israel, is now seeking better relations with Iran and with Lebanon’s Shiites.

Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri’s visit to Iran was in part an attempt to reach out to a major foreign patron of his country’s Shiite Hezbollah Party. Hariri’s father, Rafiq, was mysteriously blown to kingdom come in 2005, and a United Nations tribunal is now rumored to be leaning toward implicating Hezbollah. Many Lebanese are terrified that the tribunal’s findings might set Kalashnikovs clattering again in Beirut, given that the Hariris are Sunni Muslims linked to Saudi Arabia, and their followers could attack Lebanese Shiites in reprisal. Lebanon, a small country of 4 million, is more than a third Shiite, but Christians and Sunni Muslims have formed the political elite for two centuries.

Hariri’s consultations with the ayatollahs in Tehran were an attempt to seek Iranian help in keeping Hezbollah militiamen in check (many Lebanese Shiites look to Iran as their external patron, just as many Sunnis look to Saudi Arabia and Christians to France and the U.S.). The talks also aimed at reconfirming Iranian pledges of economic aid to Beirut. In return, according to one anonymous Iranian source who spoke to Agence France-Presse, Hariri would throw his support behind Iran’s “development of nuclear capabilities for civilian and peaceful purposes.”

If true, it is a 180 degree turn. According to The New York Times, an August 2006 cable reports that Saad Hariri had said that “Iraq was unnecessary” but “Iran is necessary,” and that the U.S. “must be willing to go all the way if need be” to halt Iran’s nuclear enrichment program, should negotiations prove fruitless. As late as March 2008, according to another leaked cable published on the Al-Akhbar newspaper website, Lebanon’s Minister of Defense Elias Murr, a Christian, passed along advice on how the Israelis could effectively fight Hezbollah without alienating the Christian Lebanese, as Tel Aviv had with its bombing of the Christian north in 2006. (Murr now disputes the account in the cable.)

Not only has Hariri radically altered his discourse about Iran, but he has made an even more incredible turnaround regarding Iran’s best friend, Syria. In the past two years, President Michel Sleiman and Hariri have energetically sought a rapprochement with Syria, one of Hezbollah’s patrons. They sought to repair ties with Damascus that had been badly damaged by Beirut’s accusations that Syria backed the assassination of Rafiq Hariri, which had led to massive anti-Syrian demonstrations and the withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon. Hariri now says he was wrong to accuse Damascus. The growing influence in Lebanon of Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad has alarmed the Obama administration.

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Likewise, during the past two years, Turkey has increasingly offered Lebanon its coat strings as a rising Middle Eastern regional power. Ankara and Beirut have concluded a treaty creating a free trade zone between the two countries, which Turkey hopes to expand to Syria and Jordan. In sharp contrast to the ambivalence of Lebanon’s own Sunnis and Christians, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan came to Beirut on Nov. 23 and warned Israel, “If you invade Lebanon and Gaza using the most modern tanks and you destroy schools and hospitals, don’t expect us to be silent about it. We will not be silent, but will support what is right.” Erdogan also defended Hezbollah from rumors that it had itself been implicated in the elder Hariri’s assassination, saying that “no one could imagine” that the organization, which called itself Lebanon’s “spirit of resistance,” had been involved in the killing. 

Turkey’s defense of Hezbollah tracked with Ankara’s improved relations with Iran itself. Turkey attempted to run interference at the United Nations Security Council for Iran’s nuclear enrichment program. When the council voted to ratchet up economic sanctions on Iran on June 9, Turkey and Brazil voted against the measure, while Lebanon abstained. 

From 2005 through 2006, Iran appeared to be on the retreat in the eastern Mediterranean. Pro-Western Sunnis and Christians took over in Beirut. Syria was expelled from Lebanon and there was talk of detaching it from Iran. The powerful generals of Turkey, a NATO member and ally of Israel, were reliably anti-Iranian. Now, Hariri is a supplicant in Tehran, Syria is again influential in Beirut, and a Turkey newly comfortable with Islam has emerged as a regional power and a force for economic and diplomatic integration of Iran and Syria into the Middle East. Iran’s political breakthroughs in the region have dealt a perhaps irreparable blow to the hopes of the United States and Israel for a new anti-Iranian axis in the region that would align Iran’s Arab and other neighbors with Tel Aviv.

Juan Cole, the Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of History at the University of Michigan, maintains the blog Informed Comment. His most recent book, just out in paperback, is “Engaging the Muslim World.” 


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By ardee, December 16, 2010 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

bigjersey, December 10 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment
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Everyone on this board is sick of Israel and the Jews…

What is really funny is that you haven’t a shred of a clue how absolutely abysmally ignorant this comment of yours happens to be.

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By PatrickHenry, December 15, 2010 at 7:04 am Link to this comment

bigjersey,

Many folks who happen to be Jewish have assimilated into the cultures and countries they now inhabit, they suffer the same as many minorities. 

With regards to Israel, it would help if it became a more truely democratic government instead of an exclusive ‘club’. 

Being Jewish to reside in Israel is no longer enough.

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By BR549, December 14, 2010 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

bigjersey, December 10 at 5:01 pm

Oh, I get it; cruise the internet, leave a few scattered turds of half truth on a site, just to stir things up, and then split. I think you might want to check into King Hussein’s attempt to unify the tribes of the region and his correspondence with Henry McMahon in 1915, the Sykes-Picot Agreement, the Hussein-Weizmann agreement, the Balfour Agreement, etc., and Churchill’s White Paper on the issue.

When you get off your ass and actually do some reading on the issue, you might find that the British were just busy doing what they do best; lying and taking no responsibility. When one promise interfered with another, they just ignored the problem they had created. Ultimately, it was the Palestinians who got screwed because the Brits had no integrity and instead chose to keep that chummy corporate relationship with Chaim Weizmann.

This doesn’t mean that all Brits are at fault, only that their politicians and the crown, like our own politicians that were modeled after them, couldn’t be trusted to operate a lemonade stand without screwing something up.

Next time you feel inclined to dive into a topic you know nothing about ...... resist that urge.

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By Anarcissie, December 14, 2010 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

bigjersey, December 10 at 5:01 pm:

Everyone on this board is sick of Israel and the Jews…

Not me.

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By bigjersey, December 10, 2010 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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Everyone on this board is sick of Israel and the Jews… Surprising.  I guess this is
why they need to keep on developing their own country and IGNORE YOU. This
way the 8 million remaining Jews scattered around the world can join the 7
million Jews in Israel if the world’s paranoid message board haters ever gain
control decide to scapegoat the Jews once again.  Jews don’t “play nice” after all. 
What!?!  Being sick and tired of Israel and the Jews is the result of a psychotic
delusion and not the result of any conduct on the part of Israel or the Jews. This
is why, after all, Jews and others decided in 1948 that a Jewish homeland was a
necessity. The idea is that it’s hard to blame Jews for the world’s problems
when most of most of them are minding their own business in their own
country.  Now at least they cannot to being victimized by the whims of a
tyrannical uneducated majority living in their midst - except of course on
Internet message boards.  And if some nutcase wants another Jewish genocide
- well at least now with the Israeli Army and Mossad - that misconduct will
have some consequences.  Israel may not save the Jews from paranoid
delusions, but it certainly makes them less threatening.

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By BR549, December 10, 2010 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

Re:  HOMAYOUN EFTEKHARI, December 10 at 1:01 am

I agree with you 100% and no matter how this Wikileaks proves Assange’s motives to be, I felt Iran came out the clear winner here, as right it should have. Iran had the misfortune of being yet one more in a line of hegemonic targets slated for dismantling by the US and global domination gang.

As John Perkins’ book, “Confesssions of an Economic Hitman”, suggested, the process of erosion against a smaller country’s fiscal viability can only be met with harsh internal crackdowns to squash the externally staged demonstrations and outside news sources twisting a country’s self preservation into human rights abuses. If we’d kept our paws out of there in the first place, a more natural evolution of the region might have taken place.

I make no commentary for or against Ahmadinejad because unless the US had kept its ugly mitts out of that pie, it had no standing from which to comment let alone act against the political reactions it then helped to create in Iran. Not everyone here in the US sees Iran as a threat, despite the best efforts of the globalists to tear down any last semblance of cultural preservation there. Cultural identity = a reason for foreign countries to resist ...... and both Bushes, the Clinton, and Obama administrations have been hard at work feeding that raging gorilla, Israel, to shred any countries’ errant ideas that they have any rights to their sovereign soils.

Over the centuries, populations have been conquered and have moved forward. Not so, Israel.  Israel remains determined to carry on its grudge against Nebuchadnezzar II. Notwithstanding that the stubborn merchants and wealthy refused to abide by Nebuchadnezzar II’s then new economic edicts, or that resistant NON-Jews were expelled as well, this group of interlopers has used its 2700 year grudge to continually foster its delusion of religious persecution, drowning itself in self-pity. A word to Israel: people haven’t despised Jews because they practiced Judaism; they’ve despised Jews over the centuries because too many of them fail to blend and become a part of the community. The majority of them, not all of them, mind you, just don’t “play well”, and here we are in 2010 and what has changed? Israel has no more right to the land it claims than any of the other ethnic factions that had co-inhabited the area along with it. The problem with Israel is that, quite frankly, it doesn’t know how to share, and with an attitude like that, it’s no wonder that it lives in a prison of world opinion of its own making.

So, it is with the best wishes that I hope Iran is able to retain its own cultural diversity and independence. I would hope, also, that Ahmadinejad is able to recognize and respect when his people seek someone else at the helm, unlike the democratic facade that is taking place here in the US. If Joe Liebermann had his way, I wouldn’t be able to convey this. The truth hurts most those who are the furthest from it.

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By HOMAYOUN EFTEKHARI, December 9, 2010 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment
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The notion that Wikileaks cables are damaging to Iran
is an unrealistically false spin fabricated by the
Zionist-influenced mainstream media in the US and
West.

It is a make-me-feel good fantasy, created out of
insecurity and fear in face of what these documents
really show: The power and the kinetics of Iran’s
progressive foreign policy initiatives are on a
steady rise among the people of the region
(particularly the Arab Street) and beyond while the
influence of the United States and its reactionary
allies and puppets, headed by the Zionist apartheid
entity is in retreat and steadily shrinking.

An in depth review and analysis of the released
cables (less than 1% of more than the 251,000
documents Wikileaks has reportedly obtained) portrays
an image of a strong Iran with immense influence and
popularity in the Middle East region and beyond.  On
the opposite side of this evolving strength and
influence, it is difficult not to sense the fear and
insecurity enimating from the reactionary forces
which oppose (i.e., fear) Iran and its policies. 

The released material contains numerous references to
the increasing fear and sense of insecurity evident
in the discussions between the leaders of the
apartheid Zionist outpost of the US Military-
Industrial Complex in the Occupied Palestine and US
diplomats. 

In these cables, there are multiple pointed and
straightforward references to “2006 defeat of Israel
by Hezzbolla.”  Furthermore, there are multiple
references to rise of Iran’s power in the “Arab
Street,” “Iraq,” “Afghanistan,” “Pakistan,” “Turkey,”
“Lebanon”, and “Egypt.”

The cables contain as-a-matter-of-fact type of
analyses which show that a nuclear Iran would not be
a threat to the United States but that a nuclear Iran
would cause the Zionist Regime to lose its nuclear
superiority in the Middle East. The author then
points out (correctly) that with no nuclear
superiority and in light of the “Israel’s defeat from
Hizzbollah in 2006,” then the other “regimes” in the
region may begin to doubt that Israel is a “permanent
fixation” in the Middle East.

An in-depth review and analysis of the contents of
these cables are in fact quite beneficial to Iran -
and very damaging to the US and the Zionist entity.
As one example, during the Iranian presidential
elections in 2009, the US was crying out, in public, 
“election fraud” when President Ahmadinejad won the
election. However, in secret cables, US officials
were admitting that, “most [Rural Iranian voters]
probably voted for Ahmadinejad, as a result of
gratitude for improved health,? education, and
infrastructure services . . .” SEE paragraph 7 in:
09/18/2009 cable from Baku. Cable Viewer.
213.251.145.96.

It must also be pointed out that in face of Iran’s
steady rise in its influence and power in the Middle
East region and beyond, it is only natural that the
US and its allies in the region (reactionary and
dictatorial regimes) and the apartheid Zionist
entity, out of frustration, fear and insecurity would
engage in self-soothing fantasy and Alice-In-
Wonderland-type spin concerning these documents.

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By Robert, December 9, 2010 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

Obama To Netanyahu - “You win”

By Alan Hart

08 December, 2010


“Those of us who are associated with the truth of
history as it relates to the making and sustaining of
the conflict in and over Palestine that became
Israel, and who call for justice for the
Palestinians, now have reason to say “Thank you”
to President Obama.
With his decision to
abandon efforts to persuade Israel to renew a freeze
on illegal settlement building on the occupied West
Bank, he has proved that the makers of American
policy for resolving the conflict are Israel’s
leaders and their lobby in the U.S. (including its
many stooges in Congress and the mainstream media),
not the man who occupies the Oval Office in the White
House.

Of course I know this has always been the case
(actually since the departure from the Oval Office of
General Eisenhower who was the first and the last
American President to oblige Israel to act in
accordance with international law), but for a sitting
president to provide by default the absolute proof is
quite something.

The implications are truly terrifying, obviously for
the occupied and oppressed Palestinians but also for
Americans; and why is not difficult to explain.
As all seriously well informed people know (sadly the
very few, not the very many), unconditional American
support for the criminal state of Israel is not in
America’s own interests. It is the best recruiting
sergeant for violent Arab and other Muslim extremism
and the prime cause of the gathering, global storm of
anti-Americanism at street if not yet government
level.
The first responsibility of any American president is
to protect the security of his own people. With
his latest surrender to Netanyahu and the Zionist
lobby, Obama is effectively saying to his fellow
Americans, “I’m sorry, I’m not allowed to do that.”

~~~~~~~~~~

Click on link for the rest:

http://www.countercurrents.org/hart081210.htm

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By PatrickHenry, December 9, 2010 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

Sounds like more Booga Booga, Al Qaeda under your bed crap to me.

Whats next, Iranians in our streets?

Does portraying the Iranians as winners somehow make the U.S. a bunch of losers?  I think elements within our government and outside our country (Israel) hope this is message which sticks however wrong it is.

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By jimch, December 9, 2010 at 2:15 am Link to this comment

Opinions and a**holes are entitlements belonging to everyone, but it is generally folly to predict or forecast future conditions, even though it stirs up discussions.

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By lastdaywatchers, December 8, 2010 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

This has been what the May 15th Prophecy have
proclaimed with 100% accuracy, you see how
truthful it has guided you as oppose to the lie of the
false prophets?

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By prosefights, December 8, 2010 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

Sounds like liberal arts BS.

Fact appears to have emerged [we read it on Inetert, then traced data to source]that the US imports 93% of the uranium it consumes!

‘According to the Times, China’s “civilian nuclear power industry” (and rest assured there’s a Chinese military nuclear power industry as well) has 11 operating reactors, with as many as 10 new reactors per year planned for the next 15 years. That’s 150 new reactors just in China.

So where will the world nuclear industry obtain the uranium fuel for all these new reactors? That’s a darn good question. Just in the US, annual uranium use for the nuclear power industry is about 55 million pounds. The US produces less than 4 million pounds of this fuel - about 7% - and imports the rest.

and

Uranium supply shortage is real, and “Peak Uranium” is harder to deny than “Peak Oil”.This year’s world uranium mine output could or might attain 55000 tons, but demand will be about 68000 tons. It is difficult to imagine what would happen to world oil, coal or gas prices if their world supply was 20% lower than their world demand.’

according to Byron King and Andrew McKillop.

Here is link to data source.

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf23.html

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By daryoush, December 8, 2010 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Juan

I think you have missed the point in this article.

It is not that Iran is winning.  It is that US is losing.  There is a big difference,
probably Timbuktu is also winning in middle east.

US is losing because of its hypocrocy is becoming even more obvious than the
Bush era.  Under President Obama not only wars are going but we also have
audacity of a government going after Wikileak while at the same time lecturing
China on press freedom or the State Department announcing:

The United States is pleased to announce that it will host UNESCO’s World
Press Freedom Day event in 2011, from May 1 - May 3 in Washington, D.C.
UNESCO is the only UN agency with the mandate to promote freedom of
expression and its corollary, freedom of the press

And it not just this.  President Obama is losing because of his hypocracy in
domestic US politics.  There are commissions after commissions talking about
budget deficit.  President Obama decideds to promote the tax cuts for
millioners. 

Can you say Iran is winning in US domestic policy?  It is not so, US is losing to
US.  No one is winning here, except the rich, military industrial complex and
big corporation, again!

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By firefly, December 8, 2010 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

BR549, you make a fantastic point. I also agree
completely with markulyseas.

If the US actually practiced what it preaches to
everyone else, it would have a better moral standing
today. This whole ‘American Exceptionalism’, whereby
the US government has somehow marketed the idea that it
has a divine right over all other nations, has totally
backfired!

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By Flummox, December 8, 2010 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

I think you are wrong gerard, I think he is saying exactly what the headline states. Essentially, if we consider what wikileaks has published (the cables from the last two years) then the conclusion that Iran is winning over Israel can be reached. His sentences might be a little squirrely (he’s an expert on the Middle East, not English), but it’s best not to make them into spaghetti.

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By reynolds, December 8, 2010 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment

right on, markulyseas. rumsfeld dismissed the afghan
people as provincial, mercurial, simple minded for
considering their enemy’s enemy as friend. u.s. policy
takes just that tack, a virginia reel of enmity and/or
alliance, witness the photo of rumsfeld shaking saddam
hussein’s hand just a few years ago. 
before washington’s advice was thucydides “history of
the peloponnesian war”, both neglected, alas, in favor
of “my pet goat”.

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By BR549, December 8, 2010 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

So, might this mean, had Hariri been better informed about who had or had not bombed his father, that relations in the Middle East would have taken a far different and more natural course?

Then there is Huxley’s quote, “Those who crusade not for God in themselves, but against the devil in others, never succeed in making the world better, but leave it either as it was, or sometimes even perceptibly worse than it was, before the crusade began. By thinking primarily of evil we tend, however excellent our intentions, to create occasions for evil to manifest itself.” Therein, I suggest, lies the problem with U.S. foreign policy. The fact that we have Hillary heading that downward spiral now should be of no surprise.

Perhaps if the U.S. had instead insisted of itself to achieve a true moral high ground and had legitimately helped other countries to resolve their differences instead of intimidating and coercing them to enter agreements they would otherwise find foul, this world would be a different place today and not resemble that corrupt cesspool we have linking Washington, London, Israel and the Vatican. Thomas Jefferson had it right all along.

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By rm, December 8, 2010 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
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Juan Cole is right on the mark. Israel and the US have pushed their aggression too far and the world is turning against them. Most people in the world know that the US and Israel are the great terrorist states and they are not stupid enough to blame the victims.

But this is also a dangerous moment. The leaders of US/Israel are not rational. They are psychopaths. The now have their backs to the wall. They have threatened a war against Iran so often that they may have to do it just to maintain their delusional view of the world and themselves. The idea that Iran is winning is, to them, the real nuclear threat. The Pentagon and also the civilian planners in US/Israeli think tanks are blood thirsty savages. All they care about is murder and destruction. These are very dangerous people. The world needs to be very careful around them.

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By markulyseas, December 8, 2010 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

Frankly I am sick of hearing about how Israel is surrounded by enemies and the dangers of a proactive Iran. These two countries are equally responsible for peace/hostilities in the region. Just because the USA perceives Iran as an enemy that doesn’t mean the rest of the world has to follow.Maybe it is good that Iran is “winning” - whatever this means, which means NOTHING. Hyperbole and delusions appear to be the order of the day. The leaks which disclose US diplomats assessment are merely assessments NOT Gods Own Truth. We must stop talking about us and them. We must engage, negotiate. Threats of hell and damnation won’t work, it will only increase animosity.

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By D.R. Zing, December 8, 2010 at 2:04 am Link to this comment

There’s a book about Iran, written by an obscure one-legged Eskimo and former Tibetan monk from Costa Rica named Robert Baer, called The Devil We Know: Dealing with the New Iranian Superpower.

It’s a good book. Baer’s narrative voice always reminds me of George Clooney.

http://www.amazon.com/Devil-We-Know-Dealing-Superpower/dp/0307408647

“Ask now what you’re country can do for you, but how you can get the hell out of it.” 

—D.R. Zing

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By flickervertigo, December 8, 2010 at 12:44 am Link to this comment

you got to wonder if the neocons, supposed zionists, will cut israel loose.

neocon/predator logic would run like this:

israel’s behavior is damaging jewishness… and jewishness and the holocaust give jews an exemption from criticism, and this exemption can be exploited to make jews, especially predatory neocons and moneymen, powerful.

but it’s becoming difficult to have sympathy for the israelis, whose agenda is so obviously based in racial supremacism, whose only moral precept is “might makes right”...

...jews who’d just as soon hang onto the best of the jewish tradition are not buying the israeli act… and neither are the predators who exploit jewishness to achieve positions of power, because israel is damaging jewishness, and destroying jewish exemption from criticism, which is exploited to achieve power.

israel was apparently a bad idea from the beginning, unless you believe that “might makes right” will finally and forever triumph some day… but, because of peak oil, time is running out…

the israel problem must be solved in a way that doesnt damage jewishness before israel’s american protector runs out of oil.

so what to do?

will the neocons and money guys who have no particular attachment to israel cook up some happening that eliminates israel and rejuvenates the fraying holocaust persecution myth?

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By GoyToy, December 7, 2010 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

I go one better—I don’t bother to read J. Cole…but do like to read the comments his ruminations elicit.

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By Lou, December 7, 2010 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment
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Anarcissie said:

“I thought it was well understood that the invasion of Iraq was a major imperial blunder (to say nothing of it being a war crime according to the charter of the Nuremberg Trials—but who cares about that?)”

Only a few enlightened individuals (including Prof. Cole, “The Iraq War is Over and the Winner is Iran) knew that it was a major imperial blunder.

Ironically, none other than the acclaimed Israeli military historian, Martin van Crevald, mentioned the dimensions of the blunder years ago.  Here’s what he said about the Iraq invasion:

“For misleading the American people, and launching the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 B.C sent his legions into Germany and lost them, Bush deserves to be impeached and, once he has been removed from office, put on trial along with the rest of the president’s men. If convicted, they’ll have plenty of time to mull over their sins.”

Read more: http://www.forward.com/articles/2314/#ixzz17T8UHZ9L


http://www.forward.com/articles/2314/

Unfortunately, your point about “who cares,” is also true.  While the US runs around whitewashing it’s crimes in Iraq and trying to neutralize Iran, or scrambling to save what little face it has there, there has not been any discussion of the utter folly of the invasion itself.  This is akin to Obama’s nonsense of “not looking backwards,” if the US were to “look backwards” then per van Crevald Bush WOULD be impeached.

For the record, I’m quite content with Iran’s ascendancy and US descending, only if the US imperialists are stymied is there a small chance for some semblance of world peace.

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By ardee, December 7, 2010 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

gerard, December 7 at 9:09 pm

(Correct me if I’m wrong.)

I do not believe you to be wrong, not at all. I also do not believe much of what Juan Cole posits either.

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By cynholt, December 7, 2010 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment
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This news coming out of WikiLeaks, including the news that Wikileaks is making plans to go after the Goldmans of the World (see link below), pretty much shoots down the theory held by some antiwar activists that Julian Assange is a Mossad agent, who has sold out to the Zionist Power Structure. I might believe this theory if he were to move into a multimillion dollar mansion in the Hamptons and spend his weekends playing golf with Lloyd Blankfein and other sleazy vampire squids. But until this happens, I’ll continue to believe that Julian Assange is more of a foe than a friend to the Zionist state of Israel!

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/11/29/...

And I have no doubt that Julian Assange knows that he’d be a dead man by now if he were to tread too heavily on Israel. Self preservation, in my view, is what’s keep him from exposing too much bloody dirt on Israel.

Not to sound like I’m hell-bent on revenge, but any man who enjoys crushing bastards, as Julian Assange says he does, is a man after my own heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxmUrtw53nE

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By gerard, December 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

Headline for this article conflicts radically with what the first paragraph says, and is misleading (unless I am dead wrong). Headline reads:

“Leaks Suggest Iran Is Now Winning in the MiddleEast”

Understand what this says:  That WikiLeaks suggests something.  That something is that Iran is now “winnng in the Middle East.”  Right?

Now look at the first paragraph: “Iran is winning and Israel is losing. That is the startling conclusion we reach if we consider how things have changed in the Middle East in the two years since most of the WikiLeaks State Department cables about Iran’s regional difficulties were written.”

Note the qualification:  “... IF we consider how things have changed in the Middle East in the two years since most of the WikiLeaks State Department cables ... were written.”

In other words, it isn’t WikiLeaks that “suggests Iran is now winning ...”.  It’s the fact that “things have changed in the Middle East in the two years since WikiLeaks State Department cables were (written?) No.  were transmitted. 

Watch what you read.Words can be garbled by the best of us. But in serious cases it is important to be extra-careful what you say.

(Correct me if I’m wrong.)

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By gerard, December 7, 2010 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

Thanks to WeAreWideAwake for George Washington’s forgotten advice:

“Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all…and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave…a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils.”

That, plus remembering the proven fact that democracy cannot survive without freedom of the press, ought to pull us through.

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By sophrosyne, December 7, 2010 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
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It is in America’s interest to allow the Mid East to work out their own problems and to stay out of things.  Israeli interests have captured and paid off Congress so we will not be able to to do what is in our interest.  Don’t doubt for a moment Israel’s tie to our disasterous war in iraq and Afghanistan.

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By gerard, December 7, 2010 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

If one thing has become apparent in many different ways recently, it is that no country, no people, no human entity will ever accept domination for one moment longer than a knife is at their throat, literally.  And even then ...

The point is so evident at so many levels—personal, local, national, international—that those persons who try to rule over others, appear stunningly stupid not to recognize it.

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By mrfreeze, December 7, 2010 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

I have a lot of friends from Iran. Many have always said that Iran has always enjoyed great respect from the rest of the Muslim world due in large part to its “fuck-you” position on the U.S.. I think most Americans don’t realize that there’s a big world out there that simply doesn’t care about our interests and will continue to do what they think is right. The fact that we have injected our BS into so many other countries over the years is coming back to haunt us and, like Great Britain, we will someday know how utterly useless it is to build empires.

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By Anarcissie, December 7, 2010 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

I thought it was well understood that the invasion of Iraq was a major imperial blunder (to say nothing of it being a war crime according to the charter of the Nuremberg Trials—but who cares about that?)  It is hard to figure out what the ruling class thought they were doing.

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By WeAreWideAwake/eileenfleming, December 7, 2010 at 10:14 am Link to this comment
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RE: “the evil brought to the area by Israel and the US”

US and Israeli Nuclear Deceptions @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bslmk5jipGA

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By Arabian Sinbad, December 7, 2010 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

It’s not so much about Iran’s winning now in the Middle East, but rather about the US and Israel being increasingly exposed and mistrusted for the evil and danger they represent to the area and to the whole world peace.

There are of course the misguided and corrupted regimes in Egypt and Saudi Arabia that continue to be under the yoke of the political-military American umbrella, but sooner or later, as America further sinks in its economic decline and is further exposed as the evil crumbling empire that it is, people in the region will have better chance to topple their corrupted oligarchies and embark upon a reform and revival path to undo the evil brought to the area by Israel and the US.

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By Steven, December 7, 2010 at 9:59 am Link to this comment
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It was only a matter of time before Iran gained the upper hand in the Middle
East.  The US helped immensely by taking out it’s largest enemy, Iraq.  The
Persians are very intelligent people, they are nothing like the spoiled rich kids
of the oil Gulf States.  Education flows freely in Iran, they don’t all major in
Theology.  Israel had many chances to make peace with their neighbors by
creating a viable Palestinian state.  The Zionists greed will be their downfall, as
it has always been.  They have chosen to ignore the realities around them, a
more unified Shiite world (Iraqi Shiites now in the mix), declining US influence
in the region, and the ineffectiveness of the Zionist propaganda machine (the
world no longer sees them as victims but as they truly are, blood thirsty
aggressors with no care little for human life).

Iran has been a thorn in our side since ‘79 and we have handled them very
poorly ever since.  They will have nuclear capability whether we like it or not. 
We may have missed our opportunity, we were always going to pay a dear price
for blindly supporting Israel and Saudi Arabia.  We thought 9/11 was bad, more
to come I’m afraid.

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By WAreWideAwake/eileenfleming, December 7, 2010 at 9:12 am Link to this comment
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Regarding WikiLeaks, Turkey’s Interior Minister Besir Atalay said, “It seems to us that the country which is not mentioned much, especially in the Middle East, or which this development seems to favor is Israel. This is how we see it in a way when we look in the context of who is benefitting and who is being harmed.”

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stated the US administration “released” the material intentionally.

In reply to a Press TV correspondent President Ahmadinejad said, “The material was not leaked, but rather released in an organized way. The countries in the region are like friends and brothers, and these malicious acts will not affect their relations.”

“All governments are run by liars and nothing they say should be believed” -Izzy Stone

WikiLeak’s has so far exposed that this Administration is no different than previous who talked about the equality of all people but in practice failed at what George Washington warned US in his Farewell Address:


“Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all…and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave…a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils.”

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