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Laying Bare the Myth of ‘The Left’

Posted on May 20, 2010

By David Sirota

I’m always amused by popular references to the allegedly all-powerful American “Left.” The term suggests that progressives today possess the same kind of robust, ideologically driven political apparatus as the Right—a machine putting principles before party affiliation.

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This notion is hilarious because it is so absurd.

Yes, there are certainly well-funded groups in Washington that call themselves “progressive,” that get media billing as “The Left,” and that purport to advocate liberal causes regardless of party. But unlike the Right’s network, which has sometimes ideologically opposed Republicans on court nominations and legislation, many “progressive” institutions are not principled at all—sadly, lots of them are just propagandists for Democrats, regardless of what Democrats do.

Everyone in professional “Left” politics knows this reality “deep down in places they don’t talk about at parties,” as Jack Nicholson might say—and they don’t discuss it for fear of both jeopardizing their employers’ nonprofit tax status and/or undermining their employers’ dishonest fundraising appeals to liberal donors’ ideals.

During the Bush years, this truth was easily obscured, as bashing the Republican president for trampling progressive initiatives was equivalent to aiding Democrats. But in the Obama era, “The Left’s” destructive, party-over-principles motivation has become impossible to hide, especially recently.


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Behold, for instance, major environmental groups’ attitude toward the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

We know that before the disaster, President Barack Obama recklessly pushed to expand offshore drilling. We also know that his Interior Department gave British Petroleum’s rig a “categorical exclusion” from environmental scrutiny and, according to The New York Times, “gave permission to BP and dozens of other oil companies to drill in the Gulf without first getting required [environmental] permits.” Worse, we know that after the spill, the same Interior Department kept issuing “categorical exclusions” for new gulf oil operations, and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar still refuses “to rule out continued use of categorical exclusions,” as The Denver Post reported (heckuva job, Kenny!).

Undoubtedly, had this been the behavior of a Republican administration, “The Left’s” big environmental organizations would be scheduling D.C. protests and calling for firings, if not criminal charges. Yet, somehow, there are no protests. Somehow, there have been almost no calls for the resignation of Salazar, who oversaw this disaster and who, before that, took $323,000 in campaign contributions from energy interests and backed more offshore drilling as a U.S. senator. Somehow, facing environmental apocalypse, there has been mostly silence from “The Left.”

That silence is similarly deafening when it comes to Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan.

We know Kagan was among the Clinton administration advisers urging the president to support a serious abortion restriction and to avoid reducing racist disparities in criminal sentencing. We know that as Harvard Law School dean, Kagan “hired 29 tenured or tenure-track faculty members [and] did not hire a single black, Latino, or American Indian—not one, not even a token,” reports Duke University’s Guy-Uriel Charles. And we know that in her solicitor general confirmation hearings, Kagan stated her radical belief that the government can hold terrorism suspects without trial.

Again, if this were a Republican nominee’s record, “The Left’s” pro-choice and civil rights groups would be frantically mounting opposition—or at least raising concerns. But this is a Democratic nominee, so they’ve fallen in line. Planned Parenthood celebrated Kagan’s “dedication,” the NAACP trumpeted her “commitment to diversity” and the liberal Alliance for Justice said it “applauds” her nomination.

Surveying the hypocrisy, CNN’s Roland Martin wrote that “The Left’s” organizations “need to decide what matters: their principles or their politics ... their convictions or chicken dinners in the White House.”

He’s too late: They’ve already made their decision, which is why—regrettably—a powerful Left does not exist in America.

David Sirota is the author of the best-selling books “Hostile Takeover” and “The Uprising.” He hosts the morning show on AM760 in Colorado and blogs at E-mail him at or follow him on Twitter @davidsirota.

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By MarthaA, May 25, 2010 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment

Socialized capitalism would be far better for the populace than privatized capitalism.  We would still have capitalism for an economy, but it would be socialized, as socialism in and of itself is not an economy, it only upholds an economy, as it has been doing since capitalism was invented, though denied profusely.  The following post gives one a clue that the populace would prefer socialized capitalism to privatized capitalism:

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By Xntrk, May 25, 2010 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

Ah Felicity, Diego Rivera may not have loved Trotsky, but his wife, Frida Kahlo apparently did. I believe her affair with Trotsky is what finally led to their [Frida & Diego] divorce. After years of preaching free love and seducing any passing fanny, her chutzpa was the straw…

Strange what constitutes ‘love’ isn’t it?

I admire all three of them - each a genius in his/her own right, and irreplaceable in the pantheon of Socialist and Feminist heroes. Trotsky is also well loved in Latin America, btw. Che Guevera was a believer in Trotsky’s belief in unending revolution - one reason Che fought in Africa and died in Bolivia.

Sachi, I live on the Big Island [Hilo side] and I’m not rich either.

As I understand the car deal, It involves both electric and hydrogen vehicles, but details are lacking. I read yesterday that the Dept of Tourism and New Business Development has not spent 80% of the federal dollars intended to jack-start the economy. They want to invest that money in alternative energy projects [Hawaii Herald Tribune, 5/24]. Sounds like a typical Hawaiian rip-off of public dollars to benefit the big money boys - The automobile deal smells worse all the time!

If you are a gambler, I’d give you odds that after an investment of millions of public dollars, the deal is declared both bankrupt and unworkable.

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By moonraven, May 25, 2010 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

Diego Rivera AND David Siqueiros—both of whom were kicked out of the Cummunist Party here in Mexico.

Siqueiros made his own attempt on Trotsky’s life.

None of those guys was especially lovable, but so what?

Trotsky was right about a lot of things.

Being right and 30 pesos will buy you a small capuccino at any Mexico City Starbucks.

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By felicity, May 25, 2010 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

moonraven - speaking of ‘crackpots,’ poor Trotsky wore the label (unjustified) most of his life.  A constant thorn in the side of the establishment of-the-day-in-whatever-country-he-was-inhabiting-at-the-time, at onandoff odds with Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, anarchists, Lenin…he may have not been hated but he certainly led the life of the persona non-grata. (Even Diego Rivera didn’t appreciate him.)

I personally think of him as a lonely voice in the wilderness calling for the workers of the world to unite - a call with which I heartily agree.

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By moonraven, May 25, 2010 at 10:06 am Link to this comment


How does a hired assassin bumping off Trotsky in Mexico City prove that he was “not loved”?

Do tell.

Another functinoally illiterate crackpot heard from here.

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By felicity, May 25, 2010 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

Except for occassional lapses into incoherence and the mutual hatred between Stalin and Trotsky, Eugenio Costa may be a reincarnation of the latter. (Not that I believe in reincarnation, but the resemblance is startling.)

If Trotsky was ever known for anything it was that he NEVER cut anyone any slack.  (And the manner of his assasination would confirm that he was not, to put it mildly, loved.)

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By race_to_the_bottom, May 24, 2010 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

By felicity, May 22 at 3:05 pm #
“Marx, Lenin, perhaps even Stalin said that the West/capitalism would eventually destroy itself.  I’m beginning to think they were prescient.”

Lenin’s contributions were that he recognized that the ascendancy of finance capital had ushered in the era of imperialism. In his work on the subject, he exhaustively documents the rise of finance capital. Stalin said, “Leninism is the Marxism in the era of Imperialism”.  Lot’s of people don’t like Stalin. Too bad. All you need to know is that without the Soviet Union, which Stalin led, fascism would have been victorious in Europe.

Lenin also developed the theory of the disciplined party. This was a recognition that there was a war (class war) and in wartime, a ruthlessly disciplined army is indispensable. It is not a matter of choice, he believed.

And it is a historical fact that parties of the Leninist type led the huge battles to organize unions in the 30’s and 40’s and to defeat fascism. It is a fact that liberals and loosely organized progressives have not been able to hold back the rightwing tide that has developed since the destruction of the Leninist parties.

We live in different times. I think its possible that a progressive party armed with a truly revolutionary left program, one which benefits the working class by addressing their immediate needs, is the only way to counter the teabaggers. A namby pamby warmed over liberal/progressive tinkering around the edges will not move people. I think it will be necessary to take program door to door like the Mormons and the Jehovah’s Witnesses do.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 24, 2010 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment


Tonight my guest is Paul Craig Roberts.

Paul has quite a history. He’s had careers in scholarship and academia (Stanford and Georgetown universities), public service, and journalism. He served in the Congressional Staff and as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury. He has been a columnist for The Washington Times, The Wall Street Journal, Business Week, the Scripp Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate “. It’s a pretty illustrious list of things that Paul has done over the years, and Paul has been a writer, a contributor for Op-Ed News for a couple of years, too. And he wrote a piece on March 24th entitled “Good-bye. Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It.”

At the end of the article he says, “As the pen is censored and its might extinguished, I am signing off.” Now “. welcome to the show, Paul!

Paul Craig Roberts:
Thank you, Rob.

Rob Kall:
That was a disappointing ending, considering that your voice is an important one, and yet the article clearly expresses your frustration. Do you want to talk a little bit about what went into that article?

Paul Craig Roberts:
Well, yes. Lots of things just sort of came together. One, I’m getting on in years and getting tired. Another is I just sort of came to the general conclusion that it was futile and I can go into that, in a bit - and also, I was repeating myself.

You know, for years I have been making the point that off-shoring destroys the United States’ economy and the career prospects for tens of millions of Americans, and the career prospects of future generations. And all the economic prospects of these tens of millions of Americans are ruined just in order to benefit a very tiny handful of super-rich people. I’ve made that point over and over, relating it to every kind of economic news report, and so on and so on, and yet it goes nowhere. And even sites that like my columns, like various libertarian sites (such as)


would refuse to even publish my economics columns, because they have this sort of crazy idea that off-shoring is “free trade,” and we’re benefiting.
And it was a form of mindlessness that just sort of, eventually, wore me out.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 24, 2010 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

John Elis: Thanks, my friend, i am dumb, not smart. Like Kurt Cobain’s song “I think I’m dumb, maybe i am just happy”. hahaha.  Well you are right about spreading knowledge.  The thing is that i think that most people in USA are too busy the whole day.  Most americans have 2 jobs (regular jobs and domestic chores) which only leaves them time to rest in the afternoons and at night.  And the only alternative TV station that people can watch is Link TV and Free Speech TV, and even those TV stations do not reach all americans. Only people who have direct TV and Dish Network TV services.

And then people in USA have the internet. According to statistics about internet use in USA. there are 280 million people with access to internet in America.  But i think that most people in the US still trust mainstream corporate TV news a lot more than internet news.  And that’s why americans still vote for traditional political parties


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By Eugenio Costa, May 24, 2010 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment

Hegel’s Dialectic has claimed more casualties among Marxists and Leninists than perhaps any other aspect of the analysis.

Untangling it is very simple but is lost upon any who do not know the ancient Greek philosophers closely.

Hegel’s dialectic is equivalent to what Aristotle saw as the logical analysis of physis—what changes.

As mathematical logic—in the world that comes after physis—it fails.

That means the dialectic is only half the story—preeminently useful historically but only part of the story.

When you get that you are home free.

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By Sachi Nifash, May 24, 2010 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

Oops. Xntrk,
Sorry, I thought it was for hydrogen/electric cars—are yu sure it’s just elect?  We’ll find out eventually. Which island you on? 

REDHORSE—I’ve been trying to figure out if TED is about Ted Turner?

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By Sachi Nifash, May 24, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

By Xntrk, May 23 at 9:59 pm #

Sachi… Yes, science accomplishes a great deal, but it leaves much hanging out in limbo. The electric car plant in Hawaii is a great example [I live here too, so my opinions and questions are as valid as anyone’s].

How does it make sense scientifically or environmentally to build an auto plant here? Every thing for the construction will have to be shipped in, and we are thousands of miles from anywhere, The shipping just to build the damn plant may well negate any energy savings from driving either electric of hydrogen cars.

I dunno—-I think in the long run it’s about shipping cars—we have a small population in Hawaii compared to the rest of the states.  Maybe that’s it?  Cars can be converted to hydrogen, maybe the focus is to eventually manufacture hydrogen generators? Gotta be something.  I heard 20% of industry in 3 states, Texas Louisiana and ? runs on hydrogen energy.  There’s hydrogen engines out there—I found a company that makes them.  Hydrogen can generate energy—
I was wondering why Hawaiian Electric didn’t invest
in solar here in Hawaii-and just put the things on rooftops…and ouila—six months later that’s exactly what they’re doing, slapping them on as many private and govt. large buildings as they can…and buying back electric, or whatev. 
I talked to the guy in charge of the hydro fleet at Hickham AFB about the Hydrogen Cars..he says another company in Honolulu is running public busses with hydro—they have some biz link with them, who knows, maybe the military is developing an ECO division.  I think it’s possible soon we won’t have to use gas anymore in Hawaii.  Wouldn’t that be novel??
PS I’m not a millionaire, far from it! I’m an artist—how I’ve earned my keep for 25 yrs.

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By moonraven, May 24, 2010 at 11:19 am Link to this comment


El Señor Presidente puts all the pus of politics in a nutshell.

I am surprised that Asturias even got the Nobel , given that he made so many enemies telling it like it is.

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By erthbot, May 24, 2010 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

Wow, I thought the Huffpo commenters were screwed up. I read page one, and I’ll be d@mned if I read page two. Good riddance.

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By moonraven, May 24, 2010 at 11:07 am Link to this comment


You ask someone with the handle of Moonraven not to be a shapeshifter??!!

Is that crazy, or is that crazy?

As for the border—my people come from what is now Quebec, and I live in Mexico, so we are talking about more than one border.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 24, 2010 at 9:13 am Link to this comment

But the real travesty was what they did to the White Rock Sprite:

The criminals were the same who bowdlerized Shakespeare, banned Rabelais, put “In God We Trust” on the currency, passed the comics code and film censorship, passed Prohibition, and also covered the aluminum nudes behind Ashcroft and helped Bush and the Neo-Cons ride full tilt into religious war.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 24, 2010 at 8:51 am Link to this comment

They also mutilated Betty Crocker.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 23, 2010 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment


Long before Thomas Jefferson’s desire to “exterminate” the Indians,  and George Washington had said that Indians were “wolves and beasts” who deserved nothing from the whites but total ruin, the MASSACHUSETTS BAY COLONY in 1630 made it illegal to “shoot off a gun in any unnecessary occasion, or at any game EXCEPT an Indian or a wolf.” [Stannard, D. E. (1992). “American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World.” NY: Oxford University Press, pp. 240-41].

“Founding Fathers”

In 1812, Thomas Jefferson, now a senior sage out of office, concluded that White Americans were “obliged” to drive the “backward” Indians” with the beasts of the forests into the Stony Mountains”; in 1813 Jefferson stated that the American government had no other choice before it than “to pursue [the Indians] to extermination, or drive them to new seats beyond our reach.” In other words, the Native Americans are to be given the choice “to be extirpated from the earth” or to remove themselves out of the White Americans way. Thus, to the majority of White Americans the choice for Indians was one of expulsion or extermination.  [Stannard, D. E. (1992). “American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World.” NY: Oxford University Press, p. 120].

Scalping Bounties

Extermination was officially promoted by a “scalp bounty” on dead Indians. “Indeed, in many areas it [Indian-killing] became an outright business.”

Thomas Jefferson, writing to his Secretary of War in 1807, instructed that any native resistance to U.S. expansion into their territories should be overcome militarily, with the object that the Indians be “exterminated, or driven beyond the Mississippi.” This was sound policy, he claimed, because “in war, they [Indians] will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them.” [Churchill, W. (1997). “A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present.” San Francisco: City Light Books, pp. 150, 181-182].

Washington’s Orders to Sullivan:

Continental Army Supreme General George Washington’s orders to General Sullivan in 1779 during the Revolutionary War made it clear he wanted the Iroquois threat completely eliminated:

Orders of George Washington to General John Sullivan, at Head-Quarters May 31, 1779:

“The Expedition you are appointed to command is to be directed against the hostile tribes of the Six Nations of Indians, with their associates and adherents. The immediate objects are the total destruction and devastation of their settlements, and the capture of as many prisoners of every age and sex as possible. It will be essential to ruin their crops now in the ground and prevent their planting more.

I would recommend, that some post in the center of the Indian Country, should be occupied with all expedition, with a sufficient quantity of provisions whence parties should be detached to lay waste all the settlements around, with instructions to do it in the most effectual manner, that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed.

But you will not by any means listen to any overture of peace before the total ruinment of their settlements is effected. Our future security will be in their inability to injure us and in the terror with which the severity of the chastisement they receive will inspire them.”

[Writings of George Washington. Washington, DC: Government Printing Office, XV, pp. 189-93; Drinnon, R. (1980). Facing West: The Metaphysics of Indian-Hating and Empire-Building. Minneapolis: Univ. of Minnesota Press, p. 331].

US Historical Operating Principles:

1. Total War, civilians and combatants alike considered legitimate targets

2. Preventing/Not Wanting Peace

3. Preventive and Pre-emptive War

4. Terror

5. Torture

6. Revenge

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By SteveL, May 23, 2010 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

By John Ellis, May 23 at 10:35 pm #
To:  Tennessee-Socialist

All elected governments end up with the 51% most ambitious and wealthy
enslaving the lower half of society.

Your solution?

As to the term “wealthy”, the deepest darkest secret in the U.S. is that most of the
wealth is obtained the good old-fashioned way and inherited.  So the use of
words ambitious and wealthy in the same sentence really does not make a lot of
sense.  My solution to the problem?  Tax all inheritance at a 50% rate.

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By ofersince72, May 23, 2010 at 8:06 pm Link to this comment

Hey TS thanks for theCarl Dix feed,

he makes a lot sense about most issues

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By ofersince72, May 23, 2010 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

I have given all that up but

Aunt Jemmima…

I wish they wouldn’t have changed her appearance,
She was always childhood favorite of mine.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 23, 2010 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

John Elis: Hi, what a cool program about a democratic socialist government in USA. I also believe that the USA needs a low-carbohydrate revolution. I know that americans are hard headed, closed-minded and very emotionally tied to their convictions. Many peopel in USA still believe that the right way to eat is high-carbohydrate and low-fat. But that is anti-scientific, and only leads to obesity, cancer and other problems.

So i believe that US health department needs a revolution with people like Dr. Mercola, Dr. Eades and a Dr. Atkins ideology of eating, a new pyramid of eating. And to ban and close all corporations like Duncan Hines, Aunt Jemmima Pancakes, Sara Lee, Pillsbury, Betty Crocker, which only lead to obesity, cancer and heart attacks.

In other words high-carbohydrate eating is Malthusian, it kills people.

USA needs a paradigm of 60% fats, 30% protein, and 10% carbohydrates in the diet


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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 23, 2010 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment


Go to these 2 links to download audio speeches by Bob Avakian the leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party and Dr. Michael Parenti digging out the ugly truths of the US Empire.  And also about the real truth of US founding Fathers, US History and US Imperialism and that in 1776 USA was founded by oligarchs and bankers as an oligarchic-empire and not as a beacon of liberty, freedom and social egalitarian democracy as people are taught in schools


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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 23, 2010 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment <—Go to this link to download speeches on MP3s by Dr. Michael Parenti about the real truth of US founding Fathers, US History and US Imperialism and that in 1776 USA was founded by oligarchs and bankers as an oligarchic-empire and not as a beacon of liberty, freedom and social egalitarian democracy as people are taught in schools


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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 23, 2010 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

Dear friends.  Here is a good link about articles about Diatelectical-Materialism, which is an important tool in order to change the world we live in.  There are also good articles on that site about workers-control and articles about Trotsky, Lenin and Socialism:


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By Xntrk, May 23, 2010 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

Sachi… Yes, science accomplishes a great deal, but it leaves much hanging out in limbo. The electric car plant in Hawaii is a great example [I live here too, so my opinions and questions are as valid as anyone’s].

How does it make sense scientifically or environmentally to build an auto plant here? Every thing for the construction will have to be shipped in, and we are thousands of miles from anywhere, The shipping just to build the damn plant may well negate any energy savings from driving either electric of hydrogen cars.

Then there is the difficulty of generating the energy for the cars. I don’t know what you pay per KWH, but here on the BI, it’s is out of sight expensive - more so than on Oahu. The power co. also gets to the charge the same rates for solar or wind generation as they do for the imported oil. Can you imagine at how little incentive there is to switch?

There is also the problem of alternative energy sources for the average worker - or unemployed, and about to be homeless, local. No one is helping the working class and the poor switch to affordable energy. If you are not some off-island MS Millionaire, this is the most expensive place in the country to live.

Another seldom discussed problem with energy efficient cars is that we are only hanging on to a technology that has already paved over Paradise, and has ruined more farmland then the overpopulation it encourages. The growing suburbs, with the ever increasing highways, and MacMansions are a bit much in a society that ought to be looking at dwindling resources and a finite land base and trying to salvage what they can for the future.

Yeah, Science, like Religion 500 years ago, has all the answers. So, why is that oil still spewing into the Gulf and destroying the eco-system of the Gulf Coast?

And, except for a few articles in the financial press, the news coverage [print, anyway] I guess there are more important things to talk about - like electric car plants in Hawaii, when there is a glut of auto-production plants rusting away in the Mid-West.

We talk about ‘left’ and ‘right’ etc. But, truth is, the almighty dollar is what people really care about - as long as they have some, and can get more, anyway!

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By MarthaA, May 23, 2010 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

The Left isn’t a myth, the Left is the populace, the 70% majority population.  There is a corporate Right-Wing in the Democratic Party, which should not be, as the Republican Party is all corporate Right-Wing.

The populace must do all possible to vote the corporate Conservative/Moderate Right-Wing out of the Democratic Party, so that there will be balance between liberals and corporate conservatives in Congress, so that laws will not continue to be made against the populace.

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By LJL, May 23, 2010 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

All the palaver about Communism, Capitalism, Socialism, Fascism (not to mention Nazism) has long passed its sell by date.  What remains are the enduring truths of getting and spending, earning and stealing money, power and self-esteem.  Fortunately, the 19th Century “isms” have all gone off, and, except for a bunch of old-fart-minded folk who haven’t contemplated a new idea in the last generation, all the “isms” are now a bit stinky.  Money and power still persist, but their organizing principles have radically changed.  The once bright barriers dividing the haves and the have-nots, the right and the left have blurred.  That is why, to radically astute ideologues, very few living individuals are sufficiently orthodox.  I hate to bring up a long dead icon of out of date ideological correctness to defend my thesis, but Karl Marx more than hinted at the waning and evolution of ideologies as the economic realities of people changes.  Ideologues shouldn’t, however, despair.  The same problems and inequalities and frustrations exist.  It is just that 19th Century dogmas are ridiculously inadequate for meeting 21st Century challenges presented by 21st Century people.

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By REDHORSE, May 23, 2010 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

O.K. SACHI N: I hear ya—too much monkey business and focus on the negative. Science is a good thing. I’m a huge TED.COM fan—it’s one of the most positive places I know. In the age of communication we don’t communicate very well. There are a lot of huge ego’s here. Don’t let it put you off.

    What you see here is what you get. It ain’t all bad. Discussion of the news article on the thread lasts about five or six posts and then God knows where it’s going. I like what you’re sayin’—just tell it like you see it—and keep comin’ back.

    Oh yeah—pardon me if I was ranting.

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By Sachi Nifash, May 23, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

Lots of slogans to think about.  Who was that paper hangin son of a bitch? yeah, Hitler. This has been fun—a barrel of monkeys.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

The Left needs some serious study, some serious work, some serious reading, some serious theory and practice, or you might as well be a Progressive Democrats.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

Capitalism is a world of money-crazed beasts.


(Use it whenever you wish, with or without credit, on any wall of your choosing. If you are going to sell T-shirts with the line one will sue you for a cut of any profits and donate them to the first Marxist-Leninist public university the US needs so badly)

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

Oh my oh my, a world of “sex-crazed beasts.”

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By Sachi Nifash, May 23, 2010 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Wow, you folks seem like you’re either drinkin too much coffee or hitting the crack pipe.  All stirred up!  Serious, there’s a place for science—if you don’t think so, why are yu here pluggin away at the terminal? Sci, specifically quantum brought us here to this place where we can “communicate”...I see a lot of name calling and can’t see any solutions…yet anyway. 

Everything isn’t shit. I live on a farm, I watch animals interact, there’s information to this place called earth—these creatures interact, they’re not as stupid as we look.  After 1/2 a billion years ya think they can’t talk?  Oh, well, we CAN’T TALK TO THEM—SO what does that make us?  Smarter?  I don’t think so.  If we landed on a planet we’d be alll over the lifeforms trying to talk to em…but not us. The smartest creatures on this earth are whales. They have a bigger frontal lobe than humans, but do we even make any kind of effort to communciate with those beasts?  If they were on Mars with water, we’d be all over it. 

I gotta say, listening to what’s going on here?  It’s straight up creepy and depressing.  Just same ole same old, gripe, bitch, namecalling, like living the past 10,000 years all over. And we have no f…ing excuse, we have THIS. First time ever—nice weather, and technology.  We CAN communicate—-but it seems, more like spider monkeys screeching the same shit over and over—Stress/adrenalin/frontal lobe damage/and don’t forget what the teeeeeeee veeeeeeeee says. Yeah that. Thank god I took the tree pruners to the god damn thing two years ago.

Aloha, it’s raining here in Hawaii—10,000 mangos are mucking up my yard.  Hey, might check out DR. Sam Parnia.  NDE’S.  He’s doing research on consciousness after physical life/death, if that means anything, I’m sure it doesn’t with so much tedious rumination. 

“Hey, that retard’s buttin in—some hippie dippie spiritual new ager, mo fo, ditty wad ditty, talkin LOVE and peace, and f—k her—solutions? What a joke!”. Yeah, I think about those things, high drama goes absolutely no where. We don’t get out of this alive, we got nothing to lose.

Hawaii’s getting hydrogen and electric vehicles this year from Japan.  They’re using us as test dummies, lab rats, with alternative energy—even Hickham AFB is driving around in hydrogen vehicles today, generated by solar. Sometimes you gotta pull your head outta the nether region and smell some cofffee, roses…somethin. We don’t know what the future offers.  Quantum says infinite parallel universes.
I go with that. Anything you can think of is happening is some time/space continueum.

Go ahead, can’t wait for the shit streaks to smear across the screen.

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By REDHORSE, May 23, 2010 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

Don’t be a shapeshifter MOONRAVEN. You know what you said. By the way, I have family on both sides of both borders. Some are a little darker and some a little lighter. That’s just skin tone. It has nothing to do with heart and soul. Perhaps the next time you’re in the lodge you might try praying for all your relations. We could all use it.

    This pony ride is way past race and political affiliation. I fear TENNSOCL’s Panarin reference may be too accurate. The “racecard” is used by haters and I’ve seen it hurt too many of my family members of all colors. Myself included.It’s the main wedge used to obfuscate dialogue that could produce unity.

      LEFT is a sneer on the lips of fascist thugs. LEFT calls out for social justice,a living wage, social welfare, access to health care, education, an honoring of life, liberty and a free pursuit of happiness. These are good things that money can provide. The problem is the shift in power that has allowed fascist to seize control of America.
The reality that allowed this is the moral profligacy of her people. I’m not sure how you fix that. I’m not sure I can fix myself.

      I believe the people are larger than any particular tyranny (and the thugs know it). The real drive and action for new vision in America is alive and well. Many of us are doing good things. We don’t hear about that. We hear about Sarah,Rand and Rush. It’s a riff. The thugs have killed the golden goose. They’re no longer (as they say) viable. They can only hurt you if you let them. For us, from this point on, it’s an inside job.

      I attended a lecture by Russel Means (AIM) a few years ago. He felt “natural rights” trump “human rights” as a concern. Can you get food, water and shelter independently of the Federal Gov.? Can you??

      It’s a new world. The shadow is deep but there’s light just ahead. Every soul in this universe has the right to begin again.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

A sadist in search of a coterie of masochists.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

Why does Gore Vidal’s Messiah suddenly come to mind?

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

Miguel Ángel Asturias, El Señor Presidente (l946)

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

El Senor Presidente Capuccino—has a ring, has a ring.

Great book by Asturias by the way—Orwell seems to have known it and borrowed liberally for “Big Borther”.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

Capuccino—that’s a good eye color wise.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

With pearl-handled single action .44’s, tooled high boots and chaps.

Perhaps skip the jeans so Progressive Democrats have smooch access front and rear.

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By moonraven, May 23, 2010 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment


When Product Obama was first being story-boarded for the candidacy I wrote on a number of internet sites that he was just capuccino out of the jar.

Folks really shit themselves telling me what a racist I was.

Seems that folks on these sites always cry racist when someone says an obvious truth that makes them feel a bit of cognitive dissoance rearing its rattlesnake head.

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By ofersince72, May 23, 2010 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

I still believe Obama would look sharp in a
ten gallon hat like Salazar’s.

If he would wear that on certain occassions it would
pick up a lot of votes for him.
Thats all it takes in America.

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By Sachi Nifash, May 23, 2010 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Oh, and to make my point—the Glen Beck’s and Sarah Palin’s of the world find their way up the stupidity ladder through use of the media, with some of the lamest mantra’s spoon fed to their ‘birds of a feather’, ‘peas in a pod’, holder’s of tea bags. 

Everybody with their hand out for MORE MORE MORE FOR ME!!  uses the media…celeb! Fame! Fortune! “Wow, am I something or what!?”  BTW, this is a water planet—it’s tiny, there’s only one home for us water-based carbon lifeforms. Maybe someone forgot to tell them, “Hey—it’s gonna end, for everything and everyone, and yes, also for you—yeah you, with the immortality complex—and when it does, you won’t know what hit ya, but you can rest assured—you ain’t takin none of that booty with ya”.  And if there is consciousness after physical death, I definitely DON’T wanna be you, dude.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

Many antiwar people worked for Obama.


Kucinich also threw his support to Obama, and most of his supporters were virulently antiwar.

To change that history is the worst of racist Obamaite special pleading.

Enjoy your coffee-colored Bush Lite.

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By moonraven, May 23, 2010 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment


I won’t even try to count the times I have been banned from CommonDreams.

There are no leftists REGULARLY posting there—as we are always banned as soon as we are identified.

The folks who regularly post there are all on the RIGHT—especially the Zionists, who DO get away with murder there—and a few crackpot NewAgers who are allowed to post because they gum up the works drumming up business for their spiritual snake oil.

CD is pretty much a pay to be impune site—if you give them a decent donation you can say whatever you want.

I also have a very strong suspicion that it is funded by one or more intelligence operations of the US government and Israel.

At any rate, it’s just a safety valve for the folks who really are not all that unhappy with the way things are in the US—a place to whine and bitch without spending any shoe leather.

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By moonraven, May 23, 2010 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

Hope and fear are both for suckers, tobysgirl.

I grew up on horseback, and glad you realize that you belong to the horse and not the reverse.

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By ofersince72, May 23, 2010 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

From what I have seen over on Common Dreams,

There are many more radical leftists then Obama progressives.
I was quite amazed at what they were allowed to get away

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By Tobysgirl, May 23, 2010 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie: “I am mystified by the peace-candidate business.”

I was for about 10 seconds then I realized all the antiwar people I knew had ZERO interest in actually knowing anything about Obama, even what was covered in mainstream media. Anyone who has been shocked (“Ooooh, I am SO shocked!”) by his decisions is a pure knucklehead, and I’m saddened to say that these are my friends.

moonraven, sorry about the gender mixup. As I wrote he, I thought to myself, hmmmm, nothing to indicate one way or the other. Toby is my enormous horse (1700 lbs) to whom I belong.

Yes, a favorite tactic of the human monster is to accuse the Other of whatever nastiness the monster is up to. And for whomever it was who said I should have hope, I will repeat: Neither hope nor fear alters the seasons.

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By moonraven, May 23, 2010 at 11:30 am Link to this comment


In case you have not noticed:  Folks in the US are defintely not interested in science.  They are committed to a mythical white supremacy that will save them from disaster.

Reminds me of when I was in 4th grade in a Catholic school and one of the girls said that when it came time for her to die she was just going to “jump off the world” and live forever.

Here in Mexico, science is being given the shaft along with humanities in all secondary and university programs:  students are expected to become techie drones or migrate to the US to clean toilets at Taco Bell.

Things are not much different in US “education”.

In my own case,I was one of those whiz kids that the US government expected to create better weapons and rockets in the post-Sputnik era.  Hence, I started university on a math and physics scholarship.

Then I read the transcripts of the Oppenheimer hearings and decided that I did not want to spend my life in Los Alamos Nationalk Lab designing better nuclear warheads.

The problem with science is the same as that of religion:  no matter what you say about it, it’s only based on faith.  (The scientific method is a complete crock as all it’s good for is to manipulate findings to fit a hypothesis.)

Both religion and science have been trafficked as the opiates of the people. 

Now, of course, the trend is just to go for the real opiates and forget the mumbo jumbo.

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By ofersince72, May 23, 2010 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

The “progressives” which claim to have left leanings
are a funny bunch.

The powers that be are already manipulating them into
their “lesser of evils” doctrine for the elections.
That is Rand Paul’s job, keeping the elections Centrist.

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By Sachi Nifash, May 23, 2010 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

Regardless of the politics of Obama,I was happy to hear him mention that experts in fields of science will be playing a bigger part in his decisions from now on.

We are a strange bunch, us humans. What is happening today has happened a million times over in our history—what’s changed are several things.  Weather. Weather wasn’t always so good.  America. People had a place to run to, freedom to follow their hearts, they separated church from state. Coffee. Now might sound silly…In the 1700’s everyone was ignorant and drunk, and water was filfthy. Then coffee was stolen from the turks, and in the mid-1700’s coffee houses sprang up—people met, talked, shared, used parts of their brains that were asleep, they began to invent. In Paris, hydrogen shot from cannons filled compressed pleasure balloons/1783. (300 years later, we can’t figure out hydrogen??  2Day the Space Station manages with hydrogen/oxygen whatever. 

Then America grew to a capitalist society.  They found oil, steel, rubber and the first car was powered with…hydrogen.  Imagine? Every household had to have hemp—it was a necessity for oil,rope, fabric, paper—The Dec. of Independence was written on hemp.

We gained power, multiplied, we were herded into fossil fuels. OUr plastics were made of cellulose, as was movie film. Anything that got in the way of the moguls was grabbed up and buried.  And monopolies began, millionaires were born…and inventors discoveries threatened the millionaires—were confiscated and buried. 

And we studied…the sciences became fragmented, specialists from different fields argued who was right and wrong, and rarely compared notes.

We have vast brain, medical, mind, biology, genetic science as well, and now know we humans are 98.5% genetically chimpanzee, and 1.5%—a mystery.  We know the big frontal lobe separates us from apes.  But what we don’t know is, how we got that massive front lobe and neocortex, like whales and dolphins. Dr. Bruce Lipton has discovered that a large hindbrain during fetal develop’mnt causes a less intelligent brawn/man, with a compromised immune system. (High adrenal/fight/flight response).  Those who are creative, empathetic, imaginative, artistic have bigger front lobes, higher I.Q’s. Hindbrain dominant’s display more anger, warmongering, indifference, hoarding, intimidation, and have conscience about exterminating, causing mass extinctions—if it takes away from their power/control/wealth. Sociopaths.

The words right, left, up, down, forward, back are just words…with which we have attached a myriad of images.  Language is bizarre-each word individuals’ use form different images—not one is alike. But somehow we collectively managed to agree, to some degree, thankfully for the brainwashing moguls, to become a society seduced and frightened into consuming and behaving via televised mass hypnosis. No secret.

I’ve heard the statement, “violence is the last resort of a limited mind”. We have more to worry about than petty territorial chimpanzee disputes. We have overpopulation, natural catastrophes, (that we are the cause of), and unknown natural future disasters, that can occur at any given moment.  We have possibilities of satellite destruction from a Solar Maximum in 2012, and is anyone talking about the stupidity of digital?? No hard copies,safety net, if this occured? No phones, shipping, communication, internet, business: No urging use of Ham radios, solar, compressed hydrogen for cooking,heating? Those w/gardens, power generators small farms are the only ones with a chance in hell of surviving a complete breakdown of society. 

We have technology and solutions for EVERY PROBLEM TODAY.  Education by intelligent, qualified, honest scientists will convince the masses of serious consequences, and a list of ‘musts’ from leaders with demands by gov. to manufact’rs for longevity, quality, and generic interchable plug ins, and parts might save us.  We gotta get honest

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By moonraven, May 23, 2010 at 10:48 am Link to this comment


I am used to it.  Since the mean little creeps who continue to promote genocide on Turtle Island have no FACTS to throw up, and God forbid any REPARATIONS to offer, the best they can come up with is to blame the victims of their crimes by calling THEM racists.

The back of my hand to all of them.

And this bird is female….

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By balkas, May 23, 2010 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

I’ll never lose hope! Our dear vladi mir [peace rules-stays] ilyich ulyanov [lenin]- a stupid mongolo-russian wld curse me.
I know, i know; dead know nothing, but who knows? spasibo, danke, grazie!

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By balkas, May 23, 2010 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

Tennessee, respectfully,
Not chomsky! He’s selfdeclared anarchist. He’s also against ROR; it being our second-dearest panhuman right makes him an asocialist and land robber.

He had deceived many until a point of time by simply not ever saying what he had been for.
Saying in perpetuum what one is against, does not elucidete or teach.

Hedges, and chomsky use this method of ‘teaching’ and the longer they ‘teach that way, the worse things get.

For an enlightenment [my own and people who understand what i mean] i use a three-step use of langauge. Yes, language!
Step one: cast the widest look possible; include all salient facts that pertain [natch, not in one book or even thousands of them,let alone one post]while keeping in mind what some educators call “non-elementalism”; i.e., that no event stands in isolation from any event nor the reality [god-nature; not peppered and/or salted.
Step two involves making conclusions. In step three one suggest what can be done.

That’s the sane manner of evaluating events.
Natch, no priest, pol, ‘educator’ or msm columnist wld ever use it.

They always reverse or mix it up; knowingly that way they cannot ever be proven wrong. They solely or mostly conclude first; often also tacitly; then throw in one or two, or several trifling facts and not in sane order and the prestidigitation is complete.

They do conclude or wish a lot because they know that right-wrong and true-false answers do not apply to conclusions or wishful thinking; thus, their use.

But let’s cheer up; knowing that of necessary [apodictic] truth, 99.99% of world pop wld not be fooled for ever.

This contradicts lincoln’s conclusion that one can fool some of the people all the time. This is a lingiustic trap; typicly a fascist sleight of hand. tnx

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By moonraven, May 23, 2010 at 10:20 am Link to this comment


Maybe you should be calling yourself whitehorse, instead?

Time will continue, yes, but fortunately our destructive species will be swept into the dustbin of history, so your comment about some of us getting lighter and some of getting darker is just sheer nonsense.

Your post shows nothing but a genocidal white boy looking for an excuse to call a Native American racist.

Whatever you are smoking, I don’t want any of it.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

Either that or a Neo-Con or Right Wing Israeli in “progressive” drag, in an attempt to get a Republican elected next presidential term.

Not that it matters much which.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

Ah, there we go an Obama Biden Corporate Fascist Imperialist Democrat.

Obama was “no peace candidate”, that is not the point.

It relevant to note, however,that he won his Sente seat partly on being vociferously against the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and also gave a time table for withdrawal of ALL American forces, which he has now in effect reneged upon.

A coffee-colored Corporatist Fascist Imperialist Democrat is a still a Corporatist Fascist Imperialist Democrat.

Jesse Jackson called it from the getgo.

Enjoy the collapse, mes enfants.

The best is yet to come.

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By Anarcissie, May 23, 2010 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

berniem, May 22 at 7:58 pm:
‘As a rather sane “lefty” I agree with Mr. Sirota’s conclusions but must add that he is critical of too little. In the blinking of an eye from inauguration day onward the POTUS was kidnapped and replaced, apparently, by an evil clone who has countervened all of candidate Obama’s pledges to his vast support group. What of the ending of the wars? ...’

Actually, Mr. O said well before the election that he planned to ramp up the wars in Afghanistan and Pakistan.  I am mystified by the peace-candidate business.  Well, they say people don’t read any more, and it is certainly clear that a lot of people didn’t bother to read Mr. O’s position papers.  I would say he had completely dumped the Left by May ‘08, actually.  He didn’t need them any more; but they needed him, I guess, emotionally speaking.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

The USSR was not “seventy years of terror”.

Only a complete ignoramus, soaked in Western anti-Communist jingo and propaganda, would make such a statement.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

Geithner and Summers were part of clique that,according to Gorbachev, ripped a cool USD trillion off the Russians.

Don’t need your book—have much more direct sources.

Go correct your own errors before handing out kindergarten reading lists.

There is a reason the Russian Federation is not now Capitalist, and does not wish to be, nor will go in that direction, but one is not going into it here.

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By Anarcissie, May 23, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Eugenio Costa, May 23 at 12:46 pm:

‘The Russian Federation is not Capitalist.’

Well, they tried.  If you haven’t read it before, try to get hold of “How Harvard Lost Russia” by David McClintick.  This article’s length (33 PDF pages) is somewhat at variance with your apparent preference for Twitter-mode, but you may enjoy it anyway.  It originally appeared in a magazine called Institutional Investor who will no longer give you a copy, but there’s one at at the moment.  It reads like a Russian novel—lots of characters in complicated relationships, including the Great Toad—but the main point is the pathetic desire of the Russians for capitalism and Uncle Sam’s representatives’ eagerness to give them the business, which they did, making a considerable impression.  As Mr. Zimmerman wrote, “I argued for salvation and they gave me a fatal dose.”

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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 23, 2010 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

By balkas, May 23 at 11:49 am #

You are so right !! And the problem is even much worse than you just said.  You know what i really about USA? The evil and abuse in America is not only found in the US government, but it is an instituionalized evil, greed and hatred in the whole american population.  In other words it is safe to admit that USA is composed of 300 millions George Bushes and Dick Cheneys.  Except for about 5% to 10% who are part of the alternative progressive movements, like Chris Hedges, Amy Goodman, Ray Mcgovern, Cindy Sheehan, Cynthia Mckiney, Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti and their fans and followers. (But those are only about 10%).  The other 90% who imitate and love the greedy and selfish fascist behaviour of Sara Palin, Obama, Hillary Clinton, and George Bush are the majority of americans.

So we have a country of Adolf Hitlers and fascists, where it is politically correct to be fascist and evil, and where it is not right to be nice and loving

So in a society which institutionalized nazism in most people, only a far-right wing Nazi dictatorship can rise to power and not a populist humanist leftist option.

So i dont really see much hope for USA.  I think that the predictions of the Russian Scientist Panarin is right, the USA wont see a leftist option, but it will fall into barbarism and fascism and eventually desintegrate into 3 to 4 different countries


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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

It gets a little boring have to deal with thoroughly,  historically illiterate Americans on such sites.

All with their little emotionally certain American ideologies and opinions.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

Without Stalin Russia would not exist.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

The Russian Federation is not Capitalist.

It is not Communist either.

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By Virginia777, May 23, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist: I don’t like to hear of anyone being banned, can’t stand this censorship of the left. If you want to see censorship in action, visit, they practice shadow-banning, the least ethical form of censorship. You can see the comments you write, no one else can. You can go on commenting for months, thinking your comments are posting!

They can shadow-ban a single comment, also practice moderated commenting - for liberals that is. Every right-winger and troll is encouraged and supported by Topix. The CEO openly has proclaimed “the money is in the muck”.

I was shadow-banned twice from Topix, came back with new usernames, the first time took me two weeks to catch, only caught it by luck. I am now on a mission to expose that company.

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By Anarcissie, May 23, 2010 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

Eugenio Costa, May 23 at 12:06 pm:

‘The Bolsheviks accomplished an enormous amount. ...’

Yes, after 70 years of war and terror they managed to bring capitalism to Russia.  One has to wonder, though, if a more direct route might not have been possible.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 23, 2010 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

The Bolsheviks accomplished an enormous amount.

Moreover, they were constantly under attach from the outside, including an attack by the British and Americans during World War I, then the Germans in World War II, then the Cold War (which the US began).

For all that under Khrushchev the USSR had one of the highest growth rates in the world.

Not only that Khrushchev won the “Cold War” with Sputnik and managed to fight Kennedy to a draw in the second stage.

Why did the USSR fall then?

Many reasons but if you need to abstract to just two:(1) Brezhnev; (2) Afghanistan (also Brezhnev’s doing).

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By balkas, May 23, 2010 at 7:49 am Link to this comment

This is what i see: US is neither and exception nor a novelty. Thus, if one wants to study US behavior, one ought to study behavior of all empires.
We’d then note that all were expanding; with societal structure, broadly speaking,consisting of serfs and clerico-nobility class.

None stopped expanding because they wanted to stop expanding; all were stopped in their tracks by another wld-be empire or by ‘better’ armed people.

And all maintained-strenghtened iniquitous structure of society as well.
Study sumer, which was stopped by akkad; the latter’s expansion stopped by assyria.

Babylon’s, persian, ottoman, russian, chinese, roman expansions were also stopped by force-change.
American expansion also can be checked only by warfare-circumstances.

I do not think one is gonna find one congress p., judge, msm collumnist, actor, ‘educator’, priest in US who stands even a mm to the left of franco or mussolini.
In fact, majority of them are s’mwhere right of mussolini and some smack in the middle of hitler, himmler, goehring!

So, what is happening to american underclass had been happening to underclasses just ab everywhere and for at least 7k yrs.

China appears to be building an antipodal structure of society. If it finishes the labor succcessfully, it cld herald the deathknell for US expansion and its iniquitously-structured society.

The root cause of all ills that have befallen us being division of people into ‘better’ and ‘worse’ or serfs-servants and masters! 

In any case, the Left in US probably consists of 0001%of pop. Of which a number are tad left of marcos, suharto.

So pairing americans off into Left and Right appears a bit comical; at least to me.
I have been posting on Dissident Voice but have not been kicked out yet even tho my idols are bolsheviks such as brezhnev, lenin, khrushchev.

However, with asocialists joining communist parties in e. europe; many of which were closet fascist such as yeltsin, betrayed the true socialism builders in SU, hungary, yugoslavia, poland, and elsewhere.

However, another factor may have helped or been even main factor in destroying socialism building in much fascist e. european countries: inability of SU to emplace N. missiles around US borders.

Anyhow, gorbachev did throw in the towel because of daily threat of anihilation by fascism.

That bolsheviks were true builders of a more equitous society, US severe demonization [while self being even greater evil]of bolsheviks proves that they were true socialists who may have never capitulated to asocialists.
I know i wld not, no matter what! tnx

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Tennessee Socialist, the Zionist zealots monitor the internet and eliminate those whom don’t tow the Zionist propaganda line. Jason Ditz here on Antiwar denies comments from being posted. The Zionist censorship is easy they just identify the sites and then use key words from commentors and censor them.

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By Not One More!, May 23, 2010 at 12:40 am Link to this comment

re: By JDmysticDJ, May 23 at 1:21 am - [he writes] Odd! The left is busily engaged in destroying the left. It’s true that a legitimate left is a very small minority in our government, but there is a difference between left and right in our government.

The difference is whether you want to be held 6 inches under water until you drown or 12 inches. I prefer neither, I am not going to have someone else frame the question so that we have to accept one over the other. Some people want to convince you that there is a difference but why don’t you ask the drowned person.

Am I going to support a mass killer because he only murdered 10 people as opposed to the other mass murderer who murdered 20? I support neither.

The failure of single payer health care to even be discussed shows how we still fail to fight for ‘us.’ As long as I get mine, why the hell should I worry about my neighbor. Missing from the dialog is the ‘all or none’ position that is necessary to raise all the boats, and not just the yachts. 

The democrats are not supporting a rising tide, they are creating a tidal wave that will wash away people and everything else in its way.

The right like Obama and Hillary, which masquerades itself as the center (or when convenient- left), is only going to carry out policy that doesn’t interfere with corporate interests. And Obama, no matter how much nicer and better speaking than Bush, is still going to put the knife in your back when push comes to shove and the corporate interests are threatened.

Bush is a war criminal, Obama is a war criminal.

The ‘left’ isn’t being destroyed by the left, it is being destroyed by those who falsely claim to be the left.

Hell, even Kucinich, time after time, puts Democratic party interests ahead of his publicly stated principles. If that is what he does to get reelected, he certainly doesn’t deserve the mantle of a progressive.

The real solution is not found in the democratic party.

“I’d rather vote for what I want and not get it than vote for what I don’t want, and get it.”  -  Eugene Debs

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By Eugenio Costa, May 22, 2010 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

“Conscience controlled by conviction”, hahaha.

That’s a sign (semeion) of a real crypto-Calivinist control freak speaking.

The meaningless emblems just keep flying thick and fast.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 22, 2010 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment

Voting is strictly tactical.

Don’t get involved with your vote.

Votes are counters in a game.

The electoral system is part of the problem.

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By Eugenio Costa, May 22, 2010 at 11:11 pm Link to this comment

Most “Progressive” Democrats, and “Progressive” are strictly Democrat Party-liners nowadays.

This is true also of most local and national organizations with the word “Progressive” in their name.

There may be one or two exceptions.

Just as Free Republic coopted most “Conservatives” into the Neo-Con program, so does “Common Dreams” coopt anti-war, anti-Capitalist anti-Imperialist Leftists into the Corporatist Fascist Imperialist agenda of the Democrat Party.

In fact, the US does have a large non-Democrat Left but it remains scattered and uncoordinated, partly due to the Republicans, partly to the Democrats.

This is changing under the radar.

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By JDmysticDJ, May 22, 2010 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

Odd! The left is busily engaged in destroying the left. It’s true that a legitimate left is a very small minority in our government, but there is a difference between left and right in our government. True the differences are blurred, and the majorities of democrats are left on some issues and to the right on others, and some democrats are centrist on some issues and to the right on others. Put Obama anywhere you like on the spectrum, but he’s not Gingrich, Boehner, McConnell, Cantor or any of the other stupid and mean spirited ideologues that inhabit the right side of the isle. This should be obvious to any astute observer of our political system, but most here want to ignore reality, because reality contradicts their dialectic.

Obama is a condescending elitist, a politician surrounded by politicians, an American exceptionalist, a corporatist who sees Capitalism as a necessary part of our American experience, a believer in U.S. militarism as a force for good, and a clown who makes jokes about drone attacks. I personally don’t have any respect for him, and I fear the results of his policies, and abhor his militarism, but the right is more to be feared and abhorred. 

It is what it is, if the left ignores political realities and becomes overwhelmed with defeatism; it will be a surrender to the right. If you think things are bad now, wait until the far right regains power.

Clearly, the left is currently unwilling to do the hard work and take the necessary risks to save our country, and defeat empirialist policies.

“If one was uncontrollably sliding down a slope towards the edge of a catechism, one would be well served to seek traction that would slow, stop, or reverse that uncontrolled slide.  Most would find such a predicament to be an evil, with greater and lesser outcomes.”

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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 22, 2010 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Not One More:  i have been banned from: (A zionist site) and other progressive news websites where i was banned just for exercising freedom of ideas and speech. What the hell is happening with the internet.

And i think you are right. I think that there is a lot of censorship in the so called alternative sites. And i heard that many of the alternative progressive sites are not alternatives anymore but they respond to the traditional political parties of this country or to corporate interests.  Like The Huffington Post, which has been shifting to the right-wing lately.  There are very few authentic news sites. One of the very few who is not biased is by Michael Rivero and

And i think you are right. I think that there is a lot of censorship in the so called alternative sites. And i heard that many of the alternative progressive sites are not alternatives anymore but they respond to the traditional political parties of this country or to corporate interests.  Like The Huffington Post, which has been shifting to the right-wing lately.  There are very few authentic news sites. One of the very few who is not biased is by Michael Rivero

I think that many websites out there are part of the left gatekeeper phenomenon, either they work for Democrat Party, or for some other corporate interests, which makes them not authentic progressive leftists.



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By Not One More!, May 22, 2010 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

Hey Tennessee Socialist - I was banned from commondreams. It seems to be a regular thing with them, and who are they banning? People from the left.

Google commondreams and censorship for other people’s comments on the subject. I recognized some of them as being opposed to the democratic party leadership and supporting third parties. Just like with moveon, commondreams seems to be more a mouthpiece for the democratic party leadership than supporting truly progressive ideals in a timely manner (when it could have made a difference).

I’m not sure why I got banned (and not just comment deleted), the only ‘radical’ thing I said was vote for Nader, demand single payer health care (and not the public option) and that the democratic party is trying to feed us the same sh*t sandwich as the republicans, and I ain’t gonna eat it no matter how nice they dress it up. I haven’t gone back since.

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Given that the direction of change is ever backward, not forward, and that from the get-go the system’s been rigged against us,

and Given that either we rise up en masse and change the world or it could be one of us whose child or grandchild will end up having to answer the call, “Will the last one out please turn off the lights…

Rise up how?

At the right moment, of course…

Based on?

Vision + Plan + Spirit = Change

The Vision?

  Peace on earth and goodwill to all living beings

The Plan?

  To be developed as the uprising unfolds, with
  each and every partipant having a say

and the Spirit?

  The all for one and one for all in pursuit of
  a better world, with today’s widespread anti-
  establishmentarianism as the initital expres-
  sion of said spirit.

but is this the moment?

It’s not as if we can pick & choose, what with perpetual war + global warming = doomsday, and with time running out.

Now or never?


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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 22, 2010 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

The real problem of this world is concentration of money in a few, not really racism. Well racism is part of that same oligarchic world we have, but the real real problem in USA and many other countries is the concentration of luxury lifestyles in a few and a life of misery and pain in the many


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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 22, 2010 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment


Go to this link to download speeches on MP3s by Dr. Michael Parenti about the real truth of US founding Fathers, US History and US Imperialism and that in 1776 USA was founded by oligarchs and bankers as an oligarchic-empire and not as a beacon of liberty, freedom and social egalitarian democracy as people are taught in schools


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By Not One More!, May 22, 2010 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

“Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right.”—Martin Luther King, Jr.

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By Virginia777, May 22, 2010 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

Tesla: “What is it going to take to get “the give Obama a
chance” groupies to get it through their heads that he
like Roosevelt are puppets of the corporatists.”

“He is not even a liberal let alone socialist. Give it a
break people.”

I can see you are a David Sirota fan, yes, he enjoys Obama-bashing also, and uses the term “Obamabots” on his FB blog. Censors comments there also, comments he doesn’t happen to agree with or questions he does not want to answer.

Give me a break!! your destructive couch-potato mud-slinging, is just that. Your pal Newt would be very pleased with you.

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By dihey, May 22, 2010 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

Social revolutions were often ignited by an upper class which felt that it was forcefully shunted away from the power of governance. Example: the French Revolution was not started by the so-called “third class” but by a nobility tired of being regaled by the French kings.
What does this have to do with our nation? Simple: the US upper class has bought, hence controls our governance. It has not the slightest incentive to begin a rebellion/revolution which would only kill its golden calf.
A rebellion of the middle and lower classes against this could perhaps begin with a no-vote. I mean: do not vote en masse, by the hundreds of millions, in November of 2010 and November of 2012. Let the powerful elect Congress which they control anyway.

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By Not One More!, May 22, 2010 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

If you were a real ‘lefty’ you wouldn’t have even voted for Obama in the first place.

You already understand that voting for the lessor of two evils still gives you evil which would be unacceptable if we were really a fair and compassionate society.

That when you vote for a candidate who is ‘viable’,  it isn’t a sign of political savvy, but rather an indication that you either don’t have the principles that you publicly espouse, or that you are too ignorant of the harm your vote is causing.

The democrats didn’t support single payer health care; didn’t oppose the corporate ripoff that was called the bailout; didn’t end the war and the war machine or close Guantanamo; and are basically agents of the corporate elite that act as a pressure valve to siphon off votes from candidates who might really make a difference.

The corporate elite win with either a democrat or republican, at the expense of the people

Why do you think that some democrats are so vehement in their hatred of Ralph Nader, or any other third party candidate (and I don’t include the Tea Party and their hate filled agenda as being a viable alternative). 

I’m ‘left’ not just because I oppose what mainstream politics is doing, but because it is also where I believe the answer lies to the social, economic, and environmental issues facing us.

Three quick ways to make things better:

> Make government transparent (no more secret meetings, full public disclosure of campaign financing)

> Get rid of political appointees (the head of every government department, ie Department of Defense, Commerce, State, etc is a political appointee with no allegiance to the agency they are the head of, just the job offers that will follow their short tenure).

> Prioritize government’s first responsibility to protecting basic human rights for all (that is hard to define but it should include education, housing, health care, clean air and water, safe food and water supply, etc)

Of course the reality is that government doesn’t do anything that the corporate elite doesn’t want it to do; and our politicians and media do a great car salesman job of selling us the idea that the people’s best interest lie in the corporate elite’s ability to make obscene profit. Let me sell you a bridge.

Don’t believe the hype.


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By berniem, May 22, 2010 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

As a rather sane “lefty” I agree with Mr. Sirota’s conclusions but must add that he is critical of too little. In the blinking of an eye from inauguration day onward the POTUS was kidnapped and replaced, apparently, by an evil clone who has countervened all of candidate Obama’s pledges to his vast support group. What of the ending of the wars? Closing Gitmo? Bringing Bush,et al to justice? Domestic spying? Rendition and “black” sites? Continuation of contracts with Blackwater, Haliburton, KBR, etc.? True universal health care? Real Wall St. reform? The list of the unfulfilled is extensive. The reactionaries remain in power as evidenced by the continued existence of the DOMA and DADT! Don’t expect the Tweedle Dum face of our Janus-headed one party system to dump Obama in ‘12 for a true Progressive. No, I’m afraid our choices will be Obama from l….r… vs a total whacko absolutist ideologue from THE RIGHT who’ll con people into believing that an extremist, far-left, secular socialist, Marxist, Nazi, Bolshevik, (pick one), pro-terrorist, UNAMERICAN, foreign born, closet Muslim bent on destroying “OUR WAY OF LIFE” menace currently despoils the WHITE house and must be defeated AT ALL COSTS! Hell, Newt’s already on the case! Can the rest of the Jim Crow family be far behind? Face it; empires don’t improve. They continue in their delusions until their oblivion is met!

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By SoTexGuy, May 22, 2010 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

I have not been shy of criticizing some of this author’s work.. so I won’t neglect to congratulate him on this one..

Inspired, concise, real.


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By LJL, May 22, 2010 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

The one big problem with Sirota’s analysis is that the American Left, as a committed, coherent political movement is a myth.  America as a whole in comparison to most European societies is a solidly center-right to absolutely right leaning society.  Its political leanings are the product of America’s origins as an invasive European colonial movement which fought its way across the continent.  Of course, there are some Americans who lean away from the majority political consensus, but they are neither many nor powerful.  For the most part the American Left is reasonable, pragmatic and not monolithic, that is why, in Sirota’s view, it puts politics above principle.  The reason is that the American left rightly fears the vicious vortex of the majority consensus which is always pulling the country towards the merciless right.  Their justifiable fear that by weakening Obama and the Democrats they will not herald the victory of progressive principles but with their friendly fire they will only usher in a resurgence of full-bore right wing domination.  I lived through eight years of George Bush, and now I read what sort of education right wing Texans are preparing for our children, I hear Rand Paul talk about his idea of racial justice and I see what the Arizona police state has in mind for us.  Sirota probably doesn’t remember the Bush years, and he certainly hasn’t read about what the GOP has in line for us . . . perhaps Sirota can’t tell the difference between that and what Obama is doing.  But if that is the case, I say then that I can’t tell the difference between Sirota and a brain dead sociopath.

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By Tobysgirl, May 22, 2010 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

I’m getting a little tired of hearing people who speak the truth called racists. Racism still = prejudice + POWER.

If you doubt that genocide was the intent of the European marauders, you need to read a little history. They sailed to Eden, many even calling it Eden, and they set out to destroy it. And, no to you simplistic thinkers, I’m not trying to say what we know as the Americas were perfect. Certainly the civilizations that existed here were dealers of death and destruction just like their counterparts around the globe. I suggest a glance at Sorensen’s work regarding pre-conquest cultures to get a glimpse of how humans evolved to live.

I just keep asking myself what world other people live in. White Christian males are terribly oppressed according to some, and when moonraven states the obvious, he’s a racist.

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By REDHORSE, May 22, 2010 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

Xntrx: Thanks for the reality check!! The real reason for the snivel and whine instead of action is, the snivelers know, even a peacefull attempt at change in America will be met by vicious political murder. Everyone talks around it but it’s the chilling core of our inaction. I mean, how can one not know, that sites like this are monitored, and files created.


    MOONRAVEN: As time continues,some of us are gonna get a little lighter and some of us are gonna get a little darker. Get the mote out of your own ethno/historical eye and spare me your covert racism.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, May 22, 2010 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

Ron Paul tells the truth about US history. He says US Founders were libertarians.  And thats why i say that we cannot love the US founding fathers, the US constitution and the US Revolution of 1776, because the US founders were libertarians, and liberatianism is oligarchic-fascist capitalism where few get rich and majority gets poor.


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By Eugenio Costa, May 22, 2010 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

NEVER mention Glenn Beck except in the following form:

“Right Wing Mormon Radio Terrorist Glenn Beck.”

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Glenn Beck has been working hard to claim the mantle of Martin Luther King for conservatives like himself. He’s even planning a big Tea Party event for the anniversary of King’s march on Washington “I Have a Dream” speech. (Wait, let me guess: Glenn Beck, too, has a dream. Yegh.)

Thursday on his Fox News show, he tried to deny that progressives had any right to the mantle of civil rights:

Beck: Who were the Civil Rights marchers? They were people with a profound belief in God. They were trying to set things right. They weren’t crying for social justice! They were crying out for equal justice!

Well, actually, Glenn ...

“Social justice” was a common rallying cry for the Civil Rights movement. Indeed, your newly adopted hero, Martin Luther King, gave a famous speech in Michigan titled “Social Justice and the Emerging New Age”, on December 18, 1963, at the Herman W. Read Fieldhouse at Western Michigan University.

I think with all of these challenges being met and with all of the work, and determination going on, we will be able to go this additional distance and achieve the ideal, the goal of the new age, the age of social justice.

The speech may best be remembered for its stirring conclusion:

In spite of the difficulties of this hour, I am convinced that we have the resources to make the American Dream a reality. I am convinced of this because I believe Carlyle is right. “No lie can live forever.” I am convinced of this because I believe William Cullen Bryant is right. “Truth pressed to earth will rise again.” I am convinced of this because I think James Russell Lowell is right. “Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne; Yet that scaffold sways the future, And behind the dim unknown, Standeth God within the shadow, Keeping watch above His own.” Somehow with this faith, we will be able to adjourn the councils of despair and bring new life into the dark chambers of pessimism. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation to a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. This will be a great day. This will be the day when all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, “Free at last! Free at last! Thank God, Almighty, we are free at last!”

Of course, this all kinda raises the point we’ve made previously with Beck: If progressives really are a cancer destroying America, what about the cause of civil rights they championed?

It’s a joke and an outrage that Beck is trying to claim MLK’s mantle for conservatives—the people who were MLK’s lifelong enemy. I hope folks in the civil rights community start making a stink about this nonsense.


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By felicity, May 22, 2010 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

Marx, Lenin, perhaps even Stalin said that the West/capitalism would eventually destroy itself.  I’m beginning to think they were prescient.

And as long as we continue to expend all our energy on fault-finding, discrediting, name-calling, accusetory rhetoric, our implosion will make the prediction of the Leninists right on.

(Strangely enough, the recent ‘history revamp’ in Texas along with the already in place Right’s need to control, supervise, determine how we choose to conduct our (private) lives, is leading us closer to the now defunct Soviet/Russian social/political system. Did Lenin foresee this?)

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By Lesley Palmer, May 22, 2010 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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The persecution of socialists and communists in this country is well-documented. 

America is not a “community”, it is a “marketplace” (this said by a Canadian is observing our disheartening universal healthcare coverage debate). Americans have raped and pillaged their way across the continent, and in the recent century, across the world. We are “astonished” that Muslims want to kill us. We are “mystified” that major banks and corporations do not have our best interests at heart. We are “amazed” that other countries and societies don’t want our version of “democracy”. We are clearly sinking and everyone is casting about trying to fix the blame on a variety of scapegoats. The cause of our decline is clear: we don’t care about others, we don’t care about our environment; all we care about is our individual “freedom” and money.

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By moonraven, May 22, 2010 at 9:12 am Link to this comment

Someone on this thread asked us “What are you going to do about it, besides preach to the choir?”.

I do not feel I am preaching to the choir here.  In fact, from the posts I have seen there are maybe two peole here who have the ability to contextualize what is happening in the US and on the planet.

Indigenous cultures and other species on this planet do not foul their own nests. 

Those who do so must go—simple as that.  You may be bigger and tougher, but the dinosaurs were bigger and tougher and did NOT fould their own nests—yet they still went.

In the US folks are still trying to put silk bandages over the supurative wound of genocide on which the rogue state was founded.  They foolishly think that by voting for one bully or scumbag instead of another one that the bandage will hold.

It won’t.  The pus stinks and soaks through the silk and everybody smells how rotten you are. 

And this ain’t Denmark, Horatio.

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By O.G., May 22, 2010 at 8:09 am Link to this comment
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Yes, there is no Left, but there is a way, a change- the-paradigm way, to rock the corpo Rightists, Randists, and Republotards, and that is by picking on their “darling pet”—Jesus—as well as by pointing out that capitalist personality is now a criminal personality. Nobody has done this better than Morgan Ibarra in his short novel, Scamming God. Check it out.

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