Maani, December 20 at 6:20 pm,

The problem here is, they say, “no left, no right”, but follow the right and play like there isn’t any left, which is 90% of the population and 70% of that majority population receive no representation politically whatsoever.

Only if one is a fool will one play like there isn’t any left while 70% the left continues to be left out of the economy that is and has been totally circumvented and squandered by the right’s conservatives that have infiltrated the left in their DLC division to conquer the left. 

A non-contentious revolution with a political agenda for representation of the 70% majority common population by the left is the only way to bring attention to the lack of representation of the 70% Majority Common Population before they become the huddled masses.  Of course stopping the wars will be an utmost part of the political agenda of the 70% majority common population’s political representation agenda as the far left majority demands a political party(s) for their representation in all legislated law and order in the United States.

There is no negotiation except from a position of power and the Left’s position of power is with the 70% Majority Common Population demanding political representation as a class and culture.

Frank Rich has something to say about this, too (and well worth reading):

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/opinion/19rich.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

Peace.

The Steve R post clearly illustrates what is wrong
with this country. He stated the fatuous cliche of
“the extremes of both the liberals and conservatives
hate it, so it must be good” with the conviction of a
martyr.

Fact is Keith Olbermann is not the Yin to Rush
Limbaugh’s Yang. Keith is a solid left of center
moderate not socialist or anarchist. Limbaugh however
has faded to be supplanted by the truly scary
fascist, totalitarian, theocratic rantings of Glenn
Beck.

Besides, we are well past the point where
moderates/centrists have the ability (and by their
very nature the will) to right the wrongs in our
society.

The kleptocratic right controls all five branches of
government now (legislative, executive, judicial,
media and Wall Street) so short of overthrowing the
government in D.C., there is nothing that can be
accomplished from within this rigged system.

Play their game and you will (already have) lose.

QUOTE (Steve R):

“If I can help promote more reasonable, bi-partisan centrist thinking that avoids the chaos we’ve seen in Congress of late - I’m all for it!”
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That would have the same result that cyclically getting either more Democrats or more Republicans elected has… continued deception and continued disaster.

It is that “bi-partisan (sic) centrist thinking” that has very purposefully and successfully ignored necessities, and created the chaos planned to provide preposterous profits pocketed for a few, with everything and everyone else considered exploitable to exhaustion, and then expendable.

Centrism is the means by which the corporate state manages to get the least good allowed, while getting the most evil done. There is no real divisiveness (over **WHAT** to do) within the corporate (R) & (D) party. The cultural arguments between liberals and conservatives are just theater of distraction.

Republicans and Democrats are already working very successfully together, and accomplishing their goals quite well… in hidden harmonious solidarity. Merely taking their labels off won’t provide any better future.

The survival of the human species is dependent upon the conservatives and liberals all departing together ASAP, without replacements.

The only reason members of the populace of the United States would not want to claim the Liberal label is because they do not know their class and culture. 

The 70% Majority Common Population should proudly claim the Liberal label and a Political Agenda agitating for legislation for a New Political Party or Multiple Political Parties for representation of the 70% Majority Common Population as a Class and Culture in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order, so that the majority population,  as a majority population, would have a legal political leg to stand on when confronting the other political parties, instead of whining incessantly like children as subjects of the aristocracy of both the Middle Class and the Elite Capitalist Class, because they are not represented in legislated law and order, as if whining will get them represented, it will not, only a Political Agenda for representation through a Political Movement will get the Majority Common Population represented politically in government and the movement recognized by foreign nations as a real Political Agenda, since the 70% Majority Common Population is really and truly not represented by any political party in the United States.

A group is known by the company it keeps.  My understanding is that a prominent member of the No Labels movement is Mark McKinnon, who is a GWB apologist.  I almost fainted when he went on MSNBC recently to tout Bush’s “autobiography,” the biggest hoax foisted on the literary world since the fake biography of Howard Hughes.  Andrea Mitchell let him get away with it, too, which says very little for her.  He did not challenge Bush’s Iraq fiasco, his use of torture, or any of the other concatenation of horrors we endured for eight years.  I would avoid the No Labels bunch like the plague.  I don’t mind labels. I am a knee-jerk liberal progressive socialist.

“No Labels” is an admirable, if lost, cause. Certain notions which are anathema to the traditional liberal or progressive conscience have taken hold of the American imagination and won over enough people so that our political parties have been able to be co-opted by a corporatocracy.

To my mind, we need to step outside the traditional party affiliations and, yes, begin the very difficult job of building a party which will answer the needs of the day and of our and our children’s future. In doing so, we must take into account the beliefs and even the prejudices of so many Americans who will have to be brought into our sphere if we are to succeed. Those Americans are angry, they feel betrayed and abandoned by their government (which they have been), and they take their mindset from the politics of hatred spewed by all those corporate minions of the airwaves.

But they have a point. They have a point about self-reliance and about the proper role of government in the lives of a free people.

I have posited a new American vision at http://alltogethernow.org/showitem.php?currid=421 which I invite people to read. Something of this nature—a dialog about possibilities and a new way—must replace the rancor, the name calling, and the stagnation that characterizes our political structure today.

We have to move on and beyond the current state of the nation and national discourse or we will soon be bankrupt, morally bereft, and ultimately marginalized in the new world order.

Conservative has become the Party of loss. Victimhood
has become the talking-point of the right-wing (Beck,
Palin, even the mentally-challenged O’Donnell types.) 
People who feel they have lost something, are about
to lose something are quick to endorse anyone who
agrees with them. 

Needless to say, their numbers will only grow in
today’s climate.  (Curiously, they hate those they
see as responsible for their ‘losses’ but invariably
they love the system that made it all possible -
which pretty much guarantees the entrenchment of the
system.)

The “ill” is forced dependence on a rigged system. An economy, home, job, savings and community allow pursuit of “life, liberty and happiness”. These things represent a kind of emotional/spiritual wealth and provide space and meaning. All these are under direct attack by an avaricious maufactured gunpoint reality built on disinformation and fear. More and more Americans live their lives on the brink of destruction in a constant state of financial anxiety. It’s intentional. This is a consequence of the real evil. The willingness of our elected representatives to write into law and enforce criminal statutes which allow thug cartels to prey on and enrich themselves at the expense of American lives. This is true across the board. From Environmental Policy and Credit Card interest to a Minimum Wage that forces dependence on a system meant to hold a citizen in perpetual debt, its rigged.

      I’m for any group attempting open factual dialogue about the political/social issues destroying the fabic of American life. Any discussion that would remove “red meat” “kneejerk” is a step up. Still, the question is and has been for decades: What action will be necessary to install honest political representation in Washington and who will be willing to take the action?

      Washington is no longer viable. The stakes are too great and the corruption too deep. Revolving door corporate control allows this evil. Major Campaign Finance Reform and a re-committment to direct local community action can open the path to a new America. It is time to remove the influence of corporate vampire politicians and the criminals they represent through a change in choice, lifestyle and conscious political action. One day and one life at a time.

QUOTE (of the corporate media lackey, E. J. Dionne, Jr.):

“This great American middle felt cheated by our politics for most of the last 30 years,” I argued. “In liberalism it saw a creed that demeaned its values; in conservatism it saw a doctrine that shortchanged its interests.”
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That’s because liberals have no values, and conservatives can’t see the price to be paid tomorrow for their values today.

The only thing “great” about middle Americans is their expanding middles… and bottoms.

To be a person worthy of a good label requires never supporting any Republican or Democrat… ever.

I was invited to an early meeting of the No Labels
campaign. I was really excited about a non-partisan
movement to restore constructive communication to
politics. Read about how I was sorely disappointed on
my blog:

http://jerm6.blogspot.com/2010/10/new-err-no-labels.html

There’s two sides. If you want to accomplish anything meaningful you have to
decide what side you’re on and fight for it.

@ dusty old bones: If you think this country - or, more accurately, this world - has taken a turn to the right, then perhaps you should buckle up cuz you ain’t seen nothin yet.

“It’s evolution baby.  Do the evolution.” - Ludwig von Mises

“Who can disagree with a call to put aside “petty partisanship” and embrace “practical solutions”?”

well, pretty much everybody that has an interest in maintaining the status quo…

...especially when the only logical thing to do is prolong business as usual to prolong your opportunities to loot the dying israeli american empire.

if you’re gonna decide on a “practical solution”, you first gotta decide what the problems are… but nobody can acknowledge the most immediate and biggest problem, peak oil, because peak oil was the motive for the AEI/PNAC/9-11 operation.

israel must be secured from global warming and sea level rise (by completing the ethnic cleansing in high ground of the west bank) before its american protection runs out of gas.

and that’s why bibi thought 9/11 was such a good deal, that’s why PNAC said they needed a new pearl harbor just before they were installed into positions powerful enough to make their new pearl habor happen.

all this is very simple to understand, and that’s why you guys have to waste so much ink trying to obscure the problem.