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Kucinich on Obama’s Escalation: Great Speech, Bad Policy

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Posted on Dec 1, 2009
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Barack Obama and Dennis Kucinich at the Yearly Kos convention in 2007.

By Peter Z. Scheer

The other “peace candidate” in the 2008 Democratic primary isn’t thrilled with the president’s order to radically escalate the war in Afghanistan, no matter if there’s an exit strategy: “What are we going to learn in 18 months that we haven’t already learned in the last eight years?”

Also on the menu: Iraq, health care, unions and Kucinich says you can like Obama and challenge him at the same time.

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By drbhelthi, December 5, 2009 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

The current “US presidential administration” is
escalating the canon-fodder in Afghanistan simply
following orders of the string-pullers. The illuminati-
oil-empirists are demanding annihilation of the Afghani
locals, in order to acquire their oil and the desired
pipeline.  Similar to Honduras and the drugs.  Since
Mr. Hussein O. does not wish to depart his wife and
daughters, he complies.  After all, he agreed to this
strategy over five years ago.

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By garth, December 5, 2009 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

“BREATHES there the man with soul so dead, 
Who never to himself hath said, 
  ‘This is my own, my native land!”

Sir Walter Scott. 1771–1832

Barack “The Drone”, “Who’s Sane” Obama is going to war.  For a young man who was treated so special all of his life, and was never burdened with compassion for his fellow citizens, it must now seem relatively easy to follow orders.  But there might come a time, he’s still relatively young when Humanity will catch up to him.  For his sake as a human, I hope it comes before he gets to deep into the quicksand of militaristic swampy thinking.  With the shallowness of each succeeding speech, he demonstrates that he knows very little about what’s going on. 
He can shrink into a regimen of physical exercise like George W. did and only come out for a few orchestrated speeches and photo ops, or he can reach down inside, do some soul searching, and start to become a man unto himself.
It doesn’t matter what people thought he was going to do, or what they hoped he would do.  So far he’s following a script.
——————————————
The Salahi case was the second break in the Secret Service Security during the Obama campaign and now the Presidency.  The Secret Service is controlled by the Bush men of Yale and now of the shadow government.  If you question that, look up the Dog that Didn’t Bark.  On 9/11, the Secret Service did not rise to protect Bush immediately and whisk him away to a safer place.  Bush’s appearance in the school was well publicized and in a terrorist attack, the first thing the Secret Service would do is get the President out of there.  They did’t budge.  They let him finish reading. 
This last staged breech was done to send blast across the bow of the Bush men still in the Secret Service.  It’s message is that if keep up the bullshit, we’ll nail you to the wall.

Do you like your retirement benefits?

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By tahitifp, December 4, 2009 at 9:44 pm Link to this comment

Rachel has been answering the question about why Obama’s escalating.

Pakistan.  Scahill writes about it in The Nation.

And the oil/gas pipeline that was shelved may be in the works again, tho it’s a big mainstream media secret so far.

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By john crandell, December 4, 2009 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

Correction: Obama is the best Republican president the non-indentured class has had since the day Dwight Eisenhower left office.

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By Mo, December 4, 2009 at 6:25 pm Link to this comment
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Jay Leno said it. “Obama is the best Republican President we’ve had in thirty years.”

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By samosamo, December 4, 2009 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

By Jon, December 4 at 7:23 pm
“”“Obama is just a puppet, doing what he’s told to do by the same old men who
botched things in Vietnam, “”“
************************************************

That may now be the sons, who have learned so well how follow in their father’s
criminal footsteps these days, time to end the legacies of BULL SH*T.

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By Jon, December 4, 2009 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Scheer, Can you trace the history of Robert Gates, Holbrooke, and Brezenski, and others in the Obama war cabinet and in the DOD, who go back to Vietnam escalation, and the Carter administration support of the Afghanistan Mujahadeen six months before the Soviet invasion. We already know how Rumsfeld worked with Saddam during WH Bush’s presidency.  Maybe if more people saw how all these people are connected to past disasters, they can see more clearly where we are headed ‘this time’ in Afghanistan.  It’s like Robert Rubin, Larry Summers under Clinton supporting deregulation—-and then being appointed by Obama to fix the very problems their decisions caused.

We need a major clean out at CIA, DOD, Congress, Treasury and the Fed, and I must say regretfully, the White House in 2012.  Obama is just a puppet, doing what he’s told to do by the same old men who botched things in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and in Iraq—-empty old warheads—-and on the financial side, a similar collection of cronies.  They all need to be put out to pasture with a very tall fence around it.

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By talullah, December 4, 2009 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

It’s time for Kucinich to fight fire with fire.  You know: The way professionals get up ahead of a fire and sacrifice a little of their own ground in order to prevent the fire from taking all.

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By Inherit The Wind, December 4, 2009 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

Everyone here knows I’m no fan of DK, but in this he is right: we won’t learn or achieve anything in the next year and a half we haven’t learned since Dec 01.

War isn’t like a building that you can just abandon in the midst of construction for 7 years and then pick up again.

The opportunities were lost there years ago, and now the motivation for the first war in Afghanistan is gone.  So why ARE we escalating????

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By garth, December 4, 2009 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

If you want to hear another one of Obama’s great speeches tune in to C-SPAN to catch the “Jobs” speech in Schnecksville, PA.  It’s an apt name because he’s giving this nonsensical rouser to these people right in the “schneck.”

He said we could create about a million jobs by increasing our export by 5 per-cent.  Then he segued to the President of South Korea who told him that Korean’s are anxious to learn English.  Ah ha! Let’s export English.
He also said we’re keeping jobs home.  What he didn’t add was that no wants to go to a McDonald’s Drive-thru window and have to wait for the cheese and fries to come from India, or call in the cable guy and then wait for them to come from China.
It’s all half-completed thoughts, nonsensical bullshit.  It gives him the camera time onstage. 
I’d like to know what is going through the minds of the people standing behind him who are not applauding.

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By garth, December 4, 2009 at 7:32 am Link to this comment

Great program on DemocracyNow! today, Friday Dec. 4, 2009.
They interviewed Eliot Spitzer about the Wall Street economic rape of the nation and then interviewed Jeffrey Haas about his book on the assassination of Fred Hampton by the Chicago Police and the FBI.
Eliot Spitzer did touch on Obama’s War surge by comparing the 30 billion spent on it to the 4 billion for the upgrade of the nation’s schools and the 12 billion allocated to transporation.  The American theme song will be Duke Ellington’s, “Don’t Get Around Much Anymore.”

Fred Hampton was right.  We are being bamboozled, kept in the dark about what is really going on.  The same forces, the same cancer, that killed Fred Hamption have metasticized.

We need another Fred Hampton, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, etc.  But this time they should be cautious about whom they trust and never underestimate the power of the poison in the minds of these “megalomaniacal warmongers”  (Fred Hampton’s term.)

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By Trailing Begonia, December 3, 2009 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment

Saddly, it wasn’t even a great speech.  Whatever little excerpts of it I’ve heard, have turned my stomach.  Where was Joe Wilson when he delivered that speech?  Over and over again, I found myself screaming “Liar!”

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By Mary Ann McNeely, December 3, 2009 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment

All that remains to be learned now is how the Afghans inevitably throw us out of their country and how many die or are grievously wounded in the process. 

And shame on you, Rep. Kucinich, for calling it a great speech.  The speech was unadulterated, unmitigated SHIT!

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By Bobadi, December 3, 2009 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

I understand Dennis Kucinich’s attempt to destabilize the left against right polarity on the Afghanistan war, and the limited time he had to respond especially when Fox broadcast threw out that red herring at the beginning, but unless he addresses the right’s talking points, he will never win over any of their numbers to any great extent.

What can be used as a counterpoint to Rick Santorum’s 3 Conservative points not addressed by Kucinich in the above video?:

1. Military spending has severely decreased from cold war spending of 60% to today’s 12%.

2. Military spending supported by Conservatives and the right wing is nothing compared to the trillions of dollars the left wants to spend on health care, cap and trade, and economic stimulus.

3. Our military overkill must continue to be bolstered due to threats from China, Russia, as well as to suppress those who did 911 to us.

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By Bobadi, December 3, 2009 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

I predict that Obama will in the course of his administration, begin to uncontrollably chain smoke to such a point as to find the need to place a desk out in the White House breezeway, so to keep his children safe from one of his addictions.

Unless of course he cares the same for them as he does for ours.

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By glagadec, December 3, 2009 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

Isn’t it great that we have reached the zenith of civilization where a black man- with a white man’s money- can get away with murder- go O.J. And now, a black man- with access to the best ivy league, predominantly white man’s education- can ...get away with murder?? I voted for this guy. I am sick and when I look out at too large a percentage of college students more interested in their face book pages than in what could get them killed in the future…well, I wonder if Orwell was right when he made that comment about the future being a “boot crushing a human face”...More accurately, It will probably be a face with vacuous eyes staring at a screen while click-clacking a keyboard into the void. The only thing that gives me a modicum of hope are the majority of comments I read on this site. Right on, my brothers and sisters, right on!!!

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By thecrow, December 3, 2009 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

Study what happened to Kucinich during the 2008 campaign and you will understand the state of your “democracy”.

Rep. Kucinich—the only member of Congress with the stones to draft articles of impeachment against Bush/Cheney—was ignored and finally double-tapped on live TV by Establishment babyface “journalist” Tim Russert: “It it true you saw a UFO?”

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/10/31/kucinich-i-saw-a-ufo/

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/coke-or-pepsi/

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By Ouroborus, December 3, 2009 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi, December 3 at 7:20 am #

I find nothing laudable in the contrived speech of a
Mr. Hussein Obama to the captives at West Point.  On
the other hand, what more could be expected of a
puppet who was artificially placed into position by
the strongest machine in the western world.

And some folk think that this puppet is going to
right the world for all the folk who have been and
continue to be “wronged?”  Bring on the “golden
calves” for these folk to worship, in addition to
their worship of Oprah types.
=====================================
Yes, this harkens back to Chris Hedges observations
of the vacuousness of the American public. No blur in
your vision eh? Mine neither.  ;

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By glider, December 3, 2009 at 4:10 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi

Unfortunately, I think your assessment is absolutely right on.  Obama is only the latest corporate machine interface.  The only glimmer of hope is that somehow people will overcome the media takeover enough to become seventies level Peace Movement activists.  I doubt that will happen as the public is fractured and confused by obfuscation.

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By drbhelthi, December 3, 2009 at 3:20 am Link to this comment

Having been a soldier in the 101st many years ago, then after years of academic and experiential training, having experienced life vicariously through a few thousand “patients,” overall, having experienced life already for the average lifetime of a man, I would like to make a confession.  I find nothing laudable in the contrived speech of a Mr. Hussein Obama to the captives at West Point.  On the other hand, what more could be expected of a puppet who was artificially placed into position by the strongest machine in the western world. 

And some folk think that this puppet is going to right the world for all the folk who have been and continue to be “wronged?”  Bring on the “golden calves” for these folk to worship, in addition to their worship of Oprah types.

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By Ouroborus, December 3, 2009 at 2:25 am Link to this comment

Cathy, December 2 at 1:28 pm #

Arthur is a fine writer. I just found him via two
other blogs I frequent (more than here). And what a
find he is. Glad you enjoyed it.

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By tahitifp, December 2, 2009 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

He always sounded like a repug to me, with a RW leaning into Jesus. grin

All three sounded like warmongers.

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By ChaoticGood, December 2, 2009 at 6:43 pm Link to this comment

These comments I am reading are very strange.  Many of you seem to be upset that Obama is a centrist.  I never thought he was anything but that.  Did you?

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By jerry lagadec, December 2, 2009 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment
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As a veteran, I’ve heard Obama’s song before. I personally never felt threatened by the Vietcong here back home; there, you bet. Same tune in Afganistan. Meanwhile the whole country going to the wardogs, the Wall street dogs, the corporate hounds, etc. I’m beginning to think- Kucinich and others excepted- Bo Marley’s words: “Poli- people-tic- bloodsucking insect.It will be the same old melody:“We’re almost there…just a bit more and longer…and so on.” I’m disgusted..and I volunteered to serve in Vietnam, unlike these “chickenhawks” who have never soiled themselves because there are people out there trying to kill them , but like that proverbial “omelet”, it’s another story when you’re busting someone else’s eggs.

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By garth, December 2, 2009 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

I’ll say it.  He’s a no-good-bum-of-a-quadriennial President, a dyed-in-the wool white guy in mask with an Ivy league education. 
Enough of this equal opportunity bullshit.  Is this the best we can do?
Is Hillary, the Cheerleader, the best we can do for the female side of it.  Are we in that deep?
Is there no voice out there? Is there no flesh behind the scum that is portraying itself as the next entries to our history books.
Whatta fuckin Country!  And to think we want to spread this shit throughout the world.
In 2011, the smart guy with the permanent tan will say, “We’ve done freedom and our our security a good turn, let’s keep it up.  A few thousand white American bozos is a small price.

Besides, Zbig rubs my woolly head.  It makes me feel good.

Is racism too large a price to pay for a little peace and quiet?.  I had a Professor of Sociology who said that after the hangings in the South, there was “peace and quiet.”
Well, I am for the hangings and the quiet.

This godammed joke as gone on for far to too long.

Dig up Reagan and hang him, too.

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By scotttpot, December 2, 2009 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

After Ft.Hood and how the media was framing it as “a terrorist attack on Obama*s
watch” he can*t afford any other attacks on America . He is covering his ass, no
surprise.
Too bad so many millions of Americans have a cushy Mc Life courtesy of
American Empire .Polite people would rather not know their good life is possible
due to environmental destruction and war.
Props to the POTUS for leaving Medical Marijuana patients alone. Smoking marijuana and going to anti- war protests.
What year is this anyway?Deja-Vu all over again.

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By berniem, December 2, 2009 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

Who lifted the rock and let Santorum out? Oh, Yea, Fox “News”. Hey Rick, we have more private contractors in Afghanistan than troops. Surely, you can get REAL work there and further your personal struggle against “Islamofascism”. As a Pennsylvanian, I was shamed by your very presence in the public arena on allegedly my behalf! I find you to be an ignorant and parasitic shill for the greedy, self-interested minority of this nation that cares not a whit for this country or it’s citizen. You,sir, are a pig!

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By bozhidar balkas, vancouver, December 2, 2009 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment
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Giving reasons for US aggressions against afgh’n and iraq never end. Rationalizing US perceived need to attack the two evil empires will never go away because such rationalizatiing wld be recorded in US history.

And yet there is but one causative factor for all wars of aggression as well as all fires.
All wars of aggression are waged solely for land. To keep the land or portions of it an aggressor divides and puppetizes it.
And the ‘mission’ succeeds! So, expect that the modern feudal lords and warlords will not let go of the newly acquired properties for a long time.

Actually, one can expect that the US warlords wld wage at least 30-50 more wars. tnx

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By thebeerdoctor, December 2, 2009 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

Purple Girl’s recent postings reveal what depths an Obama supporter will go to justify the escalation of the current madness by the “hope you can believe in” wunderkind. Perhaps Purple Girl should examine the text of President Obama’s recent speech and see if there are not many striking similarities to foreign policy announcements of former President George W Bush. Amy Goodman brought this topic up on today’s Democracy Now!
As Professor Andrew Bacevich has pointed out, President Obama has assumed “the preferred narrative” of any U.S. president since Harry Truman. Perhaps Purple Girl in her democratic zeal has assumed the same thing?

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By democracyinnameonly, December 2, 2009 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment
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It’s clear now, there is no democracy in the United State.  The people don’t want war, don’t want their children to be terminated in illegal/useless wars, don’t want jobs to be outsourced overseas, don’t want the banksters to keep raping the economy, do want the public option health care, do want the looting and pillaging economy reformed. But, to quote the monster Cheney, SO [WHAT].

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By garth, December 2, 2009 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

Here we go again
Going to war all over again.
I just can’t but feeling warm inside.
The warmongers have won the day.


I love a parade.
Especially when it has to do with youth and married souls going to fight.

Adam, of Obama fame, is now introducing the 3rd Genesis.

Weeeeeee! Bring on the disaster!  Thrive! 

Look out your window.  Is there a bearded, swarthy out there.  Well, of course not.  And you can thank the President. 
He’s a fraud even if he is playing the first American President of a darker hue.
Let’s all go to war.

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By Purple Girl, December 2, 2009 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

Dennis I love ya.
Voted for you in the Primary, but damn glad you didn’t win.
I dont’ beleive in magic wands and have no interest in Fairy tales.Nor am I devoid of understanding Historical context.
I realized immediately W had screwed the Pooch by putting boots on the Ground in Afghanistan (Alex,English,Russia) - Duh!
But the shot his wad and we are left to clean up the mess, and I have no intention of trying to clean up the mess like they ‘did’ in the ‘80’s. Leaving the afghanis at the mercy of AQ and the taliban- heckova Job!
So a Re do on that is just as much a disasterous propostion as was going in to begin with. Two fuck Ups don’t make an Accomplishment. “Victory” is a term used for the small minded, not so many syllables or nuances.
Dennis you want to push a peaceful solution- then get your ass out and help round up more civilian enlistees. Go to the legion of Bleeding hearts in your circle and ask them to volunteer, enlist or donate. Begin tearing down the hate and fear rhetoric being used that is counterproductive in Civilian recruitment.

If you plan to just bitch, you , like Cheney, are not part of the Solution, but the damn problem.
The increase in troops levels is depressing, but it is not the only way to ‘win’ this. Infact it is clearly Not the way after 8 yrs.
but by making the region relatively safe,  enough of US underemployed bankrupted people might be more willing to serve. In the Civil corp.
Bitching Free, because it has no use or Value!

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By Kay Johnson, December 2, 2009 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

I just listened and watched Dennis Kucinich on Fox News. Thanks for the clip! I can hardly believe that—first, Rep. Kucinich was invited on the program, and then—second, he was able to speak out so clearly and forcefully against several of Obama’s decisions, from the escalation of the war in Afghanistan to the bank bailouts, etc. I applaud Dennis Kucinich. He’s like the energizer bunny, he just doesn’t quit! I admire his audacity and his strength.

As for the war in Afghanistan, and Obama’s escalation of the war—he’s living up to his campaign promise, which was, to escalate that war. His rhetoric about escalating that war was one of the main reasons, albeit not the only reason, that I did NOT vote for Obama, but instead, voted 3rd Party, for Ralph Nader. 

In 2004, I voted for Dennis Kucinich in the primary, and then, held my nose and voted for Kerry in the November 2004 election. Yes, I bought into the Nation argument—“Anybody But Bush!” However, I won’t make that mistake again! It’s past time to stop supporting many of the men and women who make up the Democratic Party, unless they are proven progressives. That is, if in fact you are a progressive. In New York state, Jonathan Tasini is running against Kirsten Gillibrand, who was appointed by Governor Paterson to replace Senator Clinton. I plan to vote for Jonathan Tasini in the primary. Gillibrand doesn’t have the power that Hillary Clinton did when Tasini ran against her in a previous election primary. Hillary locked him out of debates, and essentially ignored him and his campaign as if he and his campaign didn’t even exist. Still, as I recall, he received about 10% of the primary vote. Already, Amy Goodman has interviewed Tasini on Democracy Now!

All of us need to really examine our potential candidates before we pull the lever/touch the screen and vote. Whomever is voted into power in one state or district effects the lives of each and every citizen across this country.

This evening, I’m attending an anti-war rally in Times Square. I have no idea who is sponsoring the rally, but, to me, it doesn’t matter. Regardless, I will attend.

Thanks to truthdig, and Peter Sheer, for interviewing Dennis Kucinich!

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By einsteinstoe, December 2, 2009 at 9:43 am Link to this comment
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That was some good ol’fashioned Santorum SMACKDOWN!
Nice work Dennis.  Way to stay on point and keep him from painting you into that lame left right debate.

Kucinich and Feingold speak for me.

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By Cathy, December 2, 2009 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

Thank you, Ouroborus.  An excellent blog piece.  Imagine if that had been McCain up there making that speech last night?  Obama is far more dangerous than McCain and Bush.  And this quote from that blog piece illustrates the problem succinctly, IMHO.  I know it adds to my feeling of general hopelessness and frustration and depression.  There are no more illusions of opposition between the two parties: 

“In large part, the danger represented by Obama arises from the fact that Obama’s election gutted whatever effective opposition might have existed. To their eternal shame, the Democrats never opposed Bush in any way that mattered—but at least the possibility of opposition had not been obliterated entirely. In the near term and probably for longer, that possibility now appears to have been extinguished.”

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By RdV, December 2, 2009 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

Not only was it not a great speech, obviously Obama was most impressed with the sound of his own voice, but his audience seemed bored and unresponsive, busy chewing gum and secretly texting. Eyes glazed over.
  Little mannerism that used to bother me about Bush, now bother me about Obama—like the way his cheecks puff up with air when he speaks.

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By Frank, December 2, 2009 at 9:01 am Link to this comment
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We have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing this shame of a democracy to continue for as long as it has! Totally sickening! I’m afraid this will only encourage more people to drop out of the voting process and give more power to the ignorant masses and their corporate war profiteering masters! I can only hope this finally shakes those that believe in the Rep/Dem paradigm and demand a SECOND party that really supports the wishes of its citizens, but wait what’s on TV tonight? Nevermind!

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By garth, December 2, 2009 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

I’ll bet dollars to donuts that Obama spent the time from McChrystals speech till last night “dithering” on the wording of the speech.  (I use McCheney’s words for emphasis.)
The United States is beset with a soul sickness.  It was such a great speech that I didn’t even have to listen to it without knowing what he’d say and then know what the response would be.
I remember a speech given by a high tech executive to the company, in which he said, in effect, we are full of shit and we are going down the drain.  The managers all proclaimed, “Great speech.” 
And that is what we are up against.

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By Jim Yell, December 2, 2009 at 8:43 am Link to this comment
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I wanted Kucinich for President, but it was clear he was not going to get the backing of a major party for candidacy. So I did what I have done most of my life I tried to decide who would do the lest damage and so I voted for Obama and in some respects was glad to do so, but “the proof of the pudding is in the tasting” and I think we have had enough of the pudding to know it was made with spoilt milk.

From now on I am going to write in the candidate I think would be good for the country and no longer vote for the annointed candidates of the so called major parties. They will say anything to get elected and then turn and ignore eveyone but the corporations. It is time to dismantle the corporations and break up the monopolies that are destroying the country.

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By JohannG, December 2, 2009 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

Surprising, is it not, how President Obama and
President Bush sound exactly alike when it comes to
matters of foreign policy. Remember this when the next
election comes around! Vote!

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By Tom Degan, December 2, 2009 at 7:28 am Link to this comment
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What we have here is a classic case of American ethno-centricism. Afghanistan is not a nation that is likely to embrace an idea as historically foreign to them as democracy any time soon (And when I say “any time soon” I am speaking in terms of the next one-thousand years - give or take a few centuries). How can a country be expected to enter the twenty-first century when that same country has yet to experience all of the modern wonders of the nineteenth? This is a really bad idea.

“And it’s - ONE! TWO! THREE! - What are we fighting for?”

Country Joe and the Fish

Well, hey there! Come to think of it, that’s a damned good question when you get right down to it: Just what the heck are we fighting for? Let us examine the possibilities, shall we?

American interests? It can’t be that! Given the fact that Afghanistan’s only export seems to be opium, and taking into consideration our fabulously successful war on drugs….Nah! It couldn’t be that!

Freedom and democracy? Tee! Hee! Hee! I’m sorry, I was just kidding! The Afghan people are now living under the rule of a “leader” who is now in power because he stole the recent election. Hamid Karzai is many things - you’ll get no argument from me there! - Thomas Jefferson he ain’t. Trust me on that. Let this be etched in stone: Any country that views its women as inferior beings not worthy of basic human rights is a country not worth one drop of anyone’s blood. NEXT….

Aiding a developing nation? In order for a country to be classified “developing”, a bit of “development” should at least be moderately apparent. Afghanistan is stuck in the fifth century and seems intent on remaining there.

What are we fighting for?

Let me rephrase that: What are the children of the poor and working classes fighting for? Between you and me, I’ve only known one person in combat in the last seven years. I don’t know him anymore. He was killed when a roadside bomb was detonated in front of the vehicle in which he was a passenger. His name was Irving Medina. He was twenty-two.

What was Irving Medina fighting for?

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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By RdV, December 2, 2009 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

Why was it a “great speech” in any respect?
He was arrogantly shoveling shit, double-speaking, paying lip service and obviously enamoured with his own performance of simplistic soaring rhetoric.
  Heard one, heard them all.
The shine is quickly tarnishing on this new bright penny.

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By StormeeATL, December 2, 2009 at 6:17 am Link to this comment
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When are Americans going to come out angry against both parties? At least I see
some Democrats liberals who were angry over Bush’s war president ideals angry
over Obama for the same basic policies, which they are (many dejavu moments
last night) - thing is if Obama proves to be a bad president everyone will turn to
Republicans again. And remember, Republicans got us into the quagmires in Iraq
and Afghanistan, and share responsibilities for the current economic chaos -
neither party wants to ever admit mistakes on anything. Maybe it is time for some
true “rogues” (and no, that does not mean psycho Sarah by an means) to leave
their respective parties and form a third party that actually does the bidding of
the PEOPLE - not the big business, the lawyers, the special interest groups, etc. If
we keep electing nothing but Democrats and Republicans this country could end
up in a serious downward spiral real soon - barring a real enema with both
parties.

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By Doug Wilson, December 2, 2009 at 5:14 am Link to this comment
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Well said people….Like it when the “paying attention crowd” leaves comments. Makes me want to keep working. Got the Northwoods Doc’s on my blog now...Grab it and pass it around.

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By david dixit, December 2, 2009 at 4:53 am Link to this comment
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The congressman is a simpleton with his head in an uncomfortable place, and the ‘journalist’ is there with him. Unfortunately congressman Kucinich is a lonely intelligent voice.
America is not the leader of the free world and is in the economic toilet. Go home and get back to work on your own problems.

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By thebeerdoctor, December 2, 2009 at 3:52 am Link to this comment

I have to laugh when I read Michael Moore and others pleas of “oh no Barry, don’t do that!” and just what exactly did this former one time Senator propose? That all the deceitful lies that constitute the mythological American narrative are all true. The: “we got to take it to them there, before they bring it to us here” and the Muslim extremist boogie-man is coming to get you! For a man who is supposedly noted for his intelligence, President Obama often appears to be a naive simpleton, or worse, actually knows better, but simply chooses to follow this disastrous course because he wants to be a War President.
Watch out what you wish for, you just might, no correct that, YOU WILL get it.

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By Ouroborus, December 2, 2009 at 2:37 am Link to this comment

Dennis Kucinich is a democrat; he could be an alien
from the planet Zog for all I care; he is one of the
few (the very few) of any party, who says and does what
he says; unlike the jesters/liars we call our elected
representatives. He also, mostly, can speak for me and
many others unhappy with “O”. A man’s/person’s
integrity means something; and he’s one of the few I’d
let ride shotgun on my stagecoach.

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By Ouroborus, December 2, 2009 at 2:26 am Link to this comment

Forthwith I will offer my erudite and articulate
response to Obama’s speech;

Blah, blah, blah, blah, fuck all.

Now, for another POV far more intelligent than mine, I
offer;

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/

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By thebeerdoctor, December 2, 2009 at 2:06 am Link to this comment

Although I admire Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s principled stand on policy issues, but as member of the completely corrupt Democratic party, he is, as the late Hunter S. Thompson would say “as useless as tits on a boar hog”.
The other point for me was that President Obama announces his latest escalation of the human meat grinder at West Point. West Point? How much different is that than walking out on an aircraft carrier, wearing a jumpsuit?
Has anybody else had enough of all this deceitful, political stagecraft?

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By john crandell, December 2, 2009 at 2:05 am Link to this comment

How long will this idiot in the Oval Office keep playing his Glass Bead Game?

rstephan, responding on the TPM website has commented thus:

“I thought the speech was breathtaking for its superficial rationality and utter naivete. It was exactly the sort of speech a learned professor might give, if he didn’t know anything about the real world. A complete mishmash of compromise and cross purposes. The idea that he can shove over 100,000 troops into Afghanistan, with about an equal number of private contractors, quickly get the job done, and then quickly pull them back out again a few months later - is just so unbelievably dumb. And the idea that he has any sort of leverage to force Karzai to clean up his act - when he is all that we’ve got there and he knows it - is much worse than wishful thinking. Increasing America’s bombing of Pakistan will do more to destabilize the government there and help to recruit more Taliban than anything else we could do. Stating that the safety of the American people is at stake in Afghanistan is absurd and intellectually dishonest. Why is it that in all these months of deep consultation, nobody ever bothered to tell him the only two essential facts that he needed to know:

#1. Wars never go the way that you plan, which is exactly why it’s best to avoid them.
#2 Nobody has ever conquered or subdued Afghanistan for very long, which is why it’s best to get out as soon as you can.

All in all - not much of a speech, and I’m afraid, not much of a president either.”

BRAVO. Mister Chomsky, even, could not be as succinct, coherent and to the point.

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By Jon, December 2, 2009 at 1:14 am Link to this comment
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Why does President Obama continue to take the side of banks, corporate power and the military, and demonstrate total indifference to domestic issues, such as unemployment, foreclosures, medical costs, and personal bankruptcies?  He’s another W.  I’m done with the Democratic party.

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By john crandell, December 2, 2009 at 1:07 am Link to this comment

This is what we get, with an “intellectual” in the White House and ironic also - just as bad as that winter of 2003.

What do so-called leaders do when they’re “trapped”?
(Hint: they wiggle….)

May the ghosts of all of the impending faithfully departed troops (nabobs/naive & innocent victims alike) crawl across your skin forever, OBush.

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By samosamo, December 2, 2009 at 12:39 am Link to this comment

Just like people still think w and dick were elected in 2000 and 2004 and legally at
that, or that kucinich could have been the dems choice or that there will be
another and better choice, I direct you back to the 2008 election campaign and
ask how soon the msm had pared the contestants of both parties, and none from
a third party, to hillary and o and mccain and romney(?) and guilani as the official
choices in the debates and actually holding others out of debates or letting sort of
put their 2 cents in from another room or city or wherever thus creating the
overall consensus of who the only candidates were to be on the ticket and that
was official which obviates the msm power in ‘following instructions’ for setting
the field of candidates from hidden sources behind the curtains and this is why it
will necessary to hold a tighter scrutiny on the 2012 election, hell, even the 2010
election where we, the people, can object and demand no such shell game that
leaves the people with NO CHOICE and hold debates about the issues.

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By glider, December 2, 2009 at 12:13 am Link to this comment

It upsets me everytime I listen to Kucinich and then realize the American people are either too stupid or too brainwashed or both to elect this man President.

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By NZDoug, December 1, 2009 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

DICOTOMISED THINKING!
He said it, not me.
Look it up…..
” Militarism negates Democracy”
WTF?

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