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Posted on Aug 27, 2010

By Eugene Robinson

The majestic grounds of the Lincoln Memorial belong to all Americans—even to egomaniacal talk-show hosts who profit handsomely from stoking fear, resentment and anger. So let me state clearly that Glenn Beck has every right to hold his absurdly titled “Restoring Honor” rally on Saturday.

But the rest of us have every right to call the event what it is: an exercise in self-aggrandizement on a Napoleonic scale. I half expect Beck to appear before the crowd in a bicorn hat, with one hand tucked into the front of his jacket.

That Beck is staging his all-about-me event at the very spot where the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his immortal “I Have a Dream” speech—and on the 47th anniversary of that historic address—is obviously intended to be a provocation. There’s no need to feel provoked, however; the appropriate response is to ignore him. No puffed-up huckster could ever diminish the importance of the 1963 March on Washington or the impact of King’s unforgettable words. 

Lincoln and King will always have their places in American history. Beck’s 15 minutes of fame and influence are ticking by.

The most offensive thing about the rally is Beck’s in-your-face boast that the event will “reclaim the civil rights movement.” But this is just a bunch of nonsense—too incoherent to really offend. Beck makes the false assertion that the struggle for civil rights was about winning “equal justice,” not “social justice”—in other words, that there was no economic component to the movement. He claims that today’s liberals, through such initiatives as health care reform, are somehow “perverting” King’s dream.

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But Beck’s version of history is flat-out wrong. The full name of the event at which King spoke 47 years ago was the “March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.” Among its organizers was labor leader A. Philip Randolph, the founder of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters and a vice president of the AFL-CIO, who gave a speech describing the injustice of “a society in which 6 million black and white people are unemployed and millions more live in poverty.”

Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., then an official of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, was the youngest speaker at the march. “We march today for jobs and freedom, but we have nothing to be proud of, for hundreds and thousands of our brothers are not here—for they have no money for their transportation, for they are receiving starvation wages,” he told the crowd. Referring to proposed civil rights legislation, Lewis said, “We need a bill that will provide for the homeless and starving people of this nation. We need a bill that will ensure the equality of a maid who earns five dollars a week in the home of a family whose total income is $100,000 a year.”

And from the beginning, King’s activism and leadership were aimed at securing not just equal justice but equal opportunity as well. When he was assassinated in 1968, King was in the midst of a Poor People’s Campaign aimed at bettering the economic condition of all underprivileged Americans, regardless of race.

But why am I wasting my breath? Glenn Beck isn’t interested in history, and he certainly isn’t interested in the truth. He just likes to set off little rhetorical firebombs that grab attention—and boost the ratings for his television and radio shows.

Since Beck has called President Obama a “racist” and accused him of having a “deep-seated hatred for white people,” it’s safe to assume that some people will attend Saturday’s rally because of a sense of racial grievance and an urge for some kind of payback. But many will attend for other reasons, and they’re the ones I feel sorry for. As the growth of the tea party movement clearly demonstrates, there are millions of Americans who feel alienated from their government, distressed about the economy and frightened of the future. Their concerns deserve to be heard. Instead, their anxieties are exploited by hucksters who see fear and anger as marketing tools.

Saturday night, when the event is done, the Lincoln Memorial will still be the place where King gave one of the most memorable speeches of the 20th century. People who came to the rally in search of answers will still be looking. And Glenn Beck will still be a legend in his own mind.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
© 2010, Washington Post Writers Group


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By Maani, August 29, 2010 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Me: “...not a political rally, but rather a religious one.  Thus, the attendees were certainly going to be on their best Sunday-go-to-meeting behavior.”

Rico: “That must have been very disappointing for you.”

Only in as much as it showed the level of hypocrisy that some of these people engage in.  To claim a mantle of Christianity and then not act in a Christ-like manner at other times is, shall we say, just a tad hypocritical, no?

Peace.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 29, 2010 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

There has not been a single incident of violence from the Tea Party protesters for over 18 months.  As far as I can see there have only been eight (8) arrests of disruptive individuals who claim to identify with the protesters. - Eight out of several hundred thousand individuals spanning the past eighteen (18) months.

Contrast that against Kenneth Gladney being severely beaten with a baseball bat and called a Nigger by SEIU members.  Or the Tea Party protester who had the end of his finger bitten off by another anti-Tea Party protester.  Or the young couple leaving a GOP fundraiser in New Orleans who were viciously attacked by a group of individuals.  The woman had her skull fractured.  The man his legs broken.

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Hatred toward Tea Party protesters is spewed on this Web space, literally, daily.  Where are the voices condemning such open and unabashed hatred and violence?  It seems such behavior is accepted, even encouraged, as long as it’s directed toward those “other people”.

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By rico, suave, August 29, 2010 at 5:04 am Link to this comment

Maani:

“But we have all seen how these very same people.. spew all sorts of invective at everyone from the president to Muslims to the jobless to name-your-“other.”

I didn’t have to go far for this from MrFreeze: “..Beck as the a-historic, facts-don’t-matter idiot that he truly is. To give
him any recognition as anything but a cheap, classless liar is a waste of time…”

I see. That’s much better.

You’re right also that the rally proved nothing about the Tea Party. That is, it confirmed none of your preconceptions of the Tea Party.

“...not a political rally, but rather a religious one.  Thus, the attendees were certainly going to be on their best Sunday-go-to-meeting behavior.”

That must have been very disappointing for you.

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By mrfreeze, August 28, 2010 at 11:03 pm Link to this comment

You have all missed the obvious:

Beck is a Mormon. Anyone who knows anything about that (manufactured) bunch of
baloney can see Beck as the a-historic, facts-don’t-matter idiot that he truly is. To give
him any recognition as anything but a cheap, classless liar is a waste of time…...

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By Maani, August 28, 2010 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment

Rico:

“My POINT is that most progressives think the Tea Party is a bunch of gun toting toothless yahoos out to beat up on blacks and Muslims and otherwise terrorize anybody who doesn’t belong to the First Baptist Church. And I’m guessing they were salivating over the possibility that their prejudices would be vindicated. Too bad they weren’t.”

Au contraire.  Keep in mind that this was not a political rally, but rather a religious one.  Thus, the attendees were certainly going to be on their best Sunday-go-to-meeting behavior.  But we have all seen how these very same people - who claim a mantle of Christianity - make racist remarks, spit on historic figures from the civil rights era, and spew all sorts of invective at everyone from the president to Muslims to the jobless to name-your-“other.”

This rally proved nothing about the Tea Party set.  All it did was give them a chance to SEEM like nice, regular people.  However, their words and actions when they are not being overtly pious belie their self-righteous piety.

Peace.

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By rico, suave, August 28, 2010 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

Maani:

My POINT is that most progressives think the Tea Party is a bunch of gun toting toothless yahoos out to beat up on blacks and Muslims and otherwise terrorize anybody who doesn’t belong to the First Baptist Church. And I’m guessing they were salivating over the possibility that their prejudices would be vindicated. Too bad they weren’t.

And you’re right. They were just like the crowd that gathered peacefully 47 years ago in the same place: People who could relate to MLK’s vision of America- just like Glenn Beck said.

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By ofersince72, August 28, 2010 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment

And the Democrat pied pipers will do the same with

their sheeple.

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By gerard, August 28, 2010 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

In the 50s, a guy named David Reisman wrote a remarkably perceptive book called “The Lonely Crowd.”
This type of common personality evident in Western culture he called “other-directed”—one who has learned to follow others, to model him/herself on popuar types.  They are prone to follow leadership rather than initiate or assume responsibility.
  Since the book was written we have had constant media promotion of this “cult of personality”—men, women and children made famous, often by chance.  It is easy to replace our own individuality with theirs, so much more beautiful, talented, successful etc. that we can bask in their limelight without doing more than touching a button.
  It strikes me that the Glenn Beck rally was a gathering of a very Lonely Crowd. They are fed up with the much-praised “rugged individualism” that has ended by making them jobless, homeless and leaderless.  They have a need to find someone whose success indicates value and whose guidance they think they can trust.
  Raised on the “cult of a personality” they see on TV every day telling them what they should do,buy, eat, believe,  they welcome his direction, especially since he casts an aura of charisma and invokes the leadership of the Almight God.  How can they lose by following him and giving him their loyalty.  He is a personality!
  It is a simple. spontaneous outpouring of automatic response, urging them toward what they want to believe—an esteemed white brother just a little bit older than they—but not too much, a little bit ahead of them—but not too much—and they are off to the political races come 2012 and 2014.
  He will tell them what to do to “take their country back.”  Pied Pipers are perennial.

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By ofersince72, August 28, 2010 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

Egomot….

  Even though I don’t see the public service that
Beck is performing , I bet you are right about the
sifters and scotch

but included at the table
Beck, Obama, Maddow, O’Rielly, and Olberman

laughing their ass off at the sheeple.

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By Al Dorman, August 28, 2010 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Robinson, thank you for this excellent article and for mentioning A. Philip Randolph, the real hero of the Civil Rights movement, and someone who is tragically unknown, and no taught about.  I see you all the time on TV, could you please put in a plug for A. Philip Randolph’s legacy?  It would be nice to hear a more balanced view of Civil Rights than just preachers.

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By Egomet Bonmot, August 28, 2010 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

Yes let’s.  Sit down, my child…

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By jkehoe, August 28, 2010 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

Egomet Bonmot,

Your are delusional. Lets deal with current real world facts.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 28, 2010 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

gerard, August 28 at 8:12 pm

Why does everything in your last post strike me as an inward rationalization attempting to explain why you are often in the minority?

Point by point you appear to be explaining how and why most people are blind and stupid while you have the correct view of the world.  A superior intellect.

Just a thought.

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I think Mr. Robinson allows his passionate bias and unapologetic political bigotry to get the best of him.  He dismisses the obvious for the fantastic.  Tea Party protesters desire the same things he does.  They simply disagree on how to achieve them. 

Robinson labeling that disagreement racism is needless fear-mongering in and of itself.  It’s small minded and dangerous.

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By DoubleTroubleRD, August 28, 2010 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment
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@Maani

Haven’t you just described what both parties have done to this nation in the last 40 or 50 years?

Beck is a distraction, partly because the democrats have little to sell. And I’m as liberal as they get.

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By garth, August 28, 2010 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

It looks to me after reading the comments here that we might be entering a new phase.

They have secured most of the money (Corporations are now sitting on an estimated $3 Trillion dollars.) One pundit on C-SPAN said the other day that since fiscal policy has failed, they will have to switch to monetary policy, and the Fed has already taken on new powers. 

The new phase will be to increase their power, or stranglehold, over most of the population.  For example, the local police can now walk up to your car, parked in your driveway and attach a GPS monitoring system, legally.

When a writer for Times magazine, Michael Duffy, asked Dana Priest about the people’s reaction to the Government nosing into their private business, Priest conceded that the Government probably knows everything already.

One point came out of the rally that I think is shamefully true.  There are few heroes on the horizon.  No one is willing, or dares, to step up to the plate and take the lead against a corporate, or fascists, takeover.  Part of the problem is that the right-wing has watered down those terms so that it sounds like just a lot of empty hysterical complaints. 

Alan Simpson of the President’s Commission on Government spending which is focusing on Social Security and Medicare, said recently that those programs are like a ‘cow with 310 tits.  Write home when you find work.’
Ralph Reed repeated the lie on C-SPAN that Social Security is going to be $50 Trillion in the red.  Some bozo from the Washingtion Examiner said on the McLaughlin show that ‘Social Security won’t be around for him.’

No one does a Jimmy Durante style, ‘Stop the music!’

No one says that’s not true.  Why are you saying it?  Where are you getting your information?

Now’s the time for George Will’s warning to be heeded, “You should be afraid.  Very afraid.”

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By Egomet Bonmot, August 28, 2010 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment

I thank God for Glenn Beck every day.  He’s a lightning rod who serves to safely dissipate the racism that seethes through half this country.  Consider what a real bigot like, say, a Father Coughlin could do to capitalize on all that good ol’ American race hatred.

Beck performs a genuine public service, no joke, and I think he & Obama probably share a laugh about it over snifters of scotch.

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By gerard, August 28, 2010 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Robinson:  Please consider this:  You say: “People who came to the rally in search of answers ...”
  I wish this were true, but I feel it is not so. These people already have their answers.  If they were truly searching, the insistent, harassing repetition of cliches like “take our country back” would not be prevalent. 
  These people are as sure they have answers as I am sure that I and my liberal friends do not have answers.  We have questions—deep, persistent, difficult questions, the answers for which are not at all evident to any of us. 
  That is both our strength—and, sad to say, our weakness.  Weakness because the current hysterical, frightened mood that media and war have created is not conducive to reasoning together, to questioning ourselves as a nation, to admitting our errors and righting the wrongs we have caused.
  The historically pandered-to mood of America in general is epitomized in the yell:  USA!USA!USA!
It is epitomized in the deeply rooted
“exceptionalism” that many—probably most—Americans still believe as Gospel (unless they have had a liberal education and/or spent time abroad).
  I wish I could agree with you, but I can’t.  I think we must come to a political consensus that is far more realistic than that evidenced by the right wing and most of the Republican agenda.
  So far, I don’t see the way ahead, because the Left itself does not have the courage of its own convictions.  Sadly, Obama has done little or nothing to portray the courage needed, and the Party is floundering as a result. The previous election was a great show of democratic success.  The present disarray and danger is a circus of political confusion.
  Can you help us find what we have lost before it is too late to rally the American Dream?

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By Maani, August 28, 2010 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

Rico:

And that says exactly…what?  Did you know there was no violence at the original march 47 years ago?  Or during 90% of rallies and protests?

What exactly is your point?

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By rico, suave, August 28, 2010 at 4:07 pm Link to this comment

Did you hear about all the violence at the rally today?


Neither did I.

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By PatrickHenry, August 28, 2010 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

Nice outline Maani and so true.

I hope Beck is in town next week and has the misfortune to jaywalk while I’m on the roads there.

I’ve caused more than one lobbyist and congressman to piss their pants with the mighty Ford.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 28, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

Yes ever since the oligarchs failed in 1934, without punishment, they regrouped and started in a more stealth way since 1980. Thirty years later we see their poisonous fruits everywhere and they aren’t done yet. Not till they get their goal will they rest. Then on to the rest of the world.

We are on the precipice. It won’t be long till they get their final catalyst to finish their job. As Machiavelli said you must remove one organization in order to replace it with another. That is their plan. It is ready to go all it needs is something traumatic to happen to affect our rickety economy. Like an attack on Iran or a presidential assassination or both at once! A dangerous time for us.

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By Maani, August 28, 2010 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

A not-so-gentle reminder: 14 Steps to Fascism.  Beck is using at least #s 1, 3, 7 and 8.  I have added bracketed comments (“true” means it is already happening):

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.  [True]

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - People are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. [True: Muslims?]

4. Supremacy of the Military - Military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.  [True]

5. Rampant Sexism - Traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common. [True]

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. [True]

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions. [Partially true]

9. Corporate Power is Protected - Industrial and business aristocracy are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.  [True]

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. [True]

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism.  [True]

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Government by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.  [True]

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.  [True: 2000, 2004]

Getting the picture?

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By ejreed, August 28, 2010 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

anyone count the number of times he evoked the word “God” or “lord”?  a penny for each utterance and I could afford Health Insurance for a month or so.

For more on the Rally and background on the Philosopher Babboon try this video

DC Tea Party Rally Sparks Racial Controversy
The D.C. ‘Restoring Honor’ rally held today by Fox News pundit Glenn Beck has stirred up controversy with its timing. The biggest cause of contention: holding it at the Lincoln Memorial on the Anniversary of Martin Luther King’s ‘I Have a Dream’ speech. http://www.newslook.com/videos/245499-dc-tea-party-rally-sparks-racial-controversy?autoplay=true

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By jkehoe, August 28, 2010 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

“You have the same steel spine and the moral courage of Washington and Lincoln and Martin Luther King,” Mrs Palin said. “It is in you. It will sustain you as it sustained them.”

Palin on Beck @ the conservative rally in DC.

Even with these ignoramuses there is no other country I’d want as a neighbour…except maybe Sweden, for obvious reasons.

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By gerard, August 28, 2010 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

The best of America is represented in its goals, not in its behavior, historical and present.  I profoundly hope we do not lose those goals in the present madness.  We went through similar down periods in the past, which means we may be able to survive this one—but not without conscious effort.

Beck represents the dark side of the human spirit—rigid, pompous, self-satisfied, with a huge superiority complex and a sick determination to promote “my way or the highway” policies of injustice and cruelty—a sickly deceit of “patriotic” violence and an unwillingness to consider various points of view—all lathered over with a simple-minded insistence upon a fanciful interpretation of Christian orthodoxy the exact opposite of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. (Whew!  Did I miss anything? I know words can’t do it, but I keep trying because I don’t know what else to do.  How DO you change idiocy into wisdom?  We had better be finding some clues pretty soon.)

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By REDHORSE, August 28, 2010 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

This is the best Robinson piece I’ve seen here.

    That Beck isn’t being laughed off the air, is a direct lesson, in how out of touch Americans are, with the reality of their own heritage, and how far, our diminished and demented intellect has fallen.

    Beck and the greedy thugs he shills for have turned American ideals of freedom and human progress into a sideshow. Goddamn him!

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By garth, August 28, 2010 at 8:16 am Link to this comment

Just before C-SPAN started its coverage of the Beck rally, the Washingtom Journal had on Ralph Reed, the Director of the Faith and Freedom something or other.

Now Ralph nearly went to jail along Jack Abramoff for his involvement in the scam that screwed the Native American Tribe in Florida out of their money from their casinos. What a guy!

Ralph is a speaker at the Beck rally.  On the Washington Journal he was conflating Social Security and Medicare with the purposes rally.  I’ve been watching the rally for about an hour, I think I’ve had enough, and I don’t know what the purposes of the rally are.  I have to assume it’s to put an end to Social Security and Medicare.

A rough estimate tells me 99% of the attendees are white.  A lot are older ladies and gentlemen.  It lends credence to the real interpretation of Beck’s group SOWF.  It really stands for Suck Off the White Folks. 

Apparently, only white people are so studid as to fall for this charade.  It amazes me how these people give up their brains at the door but will not give up their guns.

A minister and a rabbi on the stage but no Imam.  I can foresee how this lame-brained effort to distestablish the religion of Islam will backfire and weaken both the Jewish and the Christian religions and strengthen Islam.

I’s the nature of Religion to overcome persecution.  Beck’s guests, the rabbi and the minister seem to be siding with the persecutors.

And the little uniformed lad leading the Pledge of Allegiance looked a throw back to the brown shirts of the Third Reich. 

It’s the not-so subtle hints that provide the addenda to their agenda.

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By Mike789, August 28, 2010 at 3:59 am Link to this comment

Citing Ofersince72 [”... it is non-stop, like
this man deserves the publicity or credence being given
to him.
I say none….....Ask yourself, why ae WE , always hearing
his name, when none of us tune into him??”]

It speaks to the inclination to create a bogeyman. We see it all the time these days.

What is really convoluted is that the more energy spent in disspelling such a [spirit], the more that is cathexed and hence the more powerful the bogeyman becomes.

With Beck it has gone over the cliff. There is no return for the pundits and their declarations. A self-sustaining (complicity), self-consuming (Our only hope is that it burns itself out) and “continuing ineptitude” (Howard Cosell) pervades MSM news coverage. LOL

Where’s the popcorn?

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By miller, August 28, 2010 at 1:56 am Link to this comment

I often wonder if we don’t actually empower the clowns and charlatans and criminals of this world by writing and reading pieces such as Eugene Robinson’s.

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By Ralph Kramden, August 27, 2010 at 10:52 pm Link to this comment
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Glen Beck has got it right: MLK has to be sanitized, just as Jesus’s radical message was. Social Justice was the centerpiece of Christian thought e.g. :It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. then there is Acts 2:44-45: “...and distribution was made unto man according as he had need.” MLK was ALL about social Justice so this modern day Calvinist,Beck, has to invent the “chosen few” whereas god’s graces are evidenced by wealth in our lifetime. And I’m sooo stupid as to believe this horse manure. Beck has got it right, as a tool of the ruling class he must neutralize the radical aspect of Martin Luther K. and turn him into a Mr. Rogers. If they did it to Jesus why not King? Next they’ll turn Che Guevara into a royalist fighting for the Bourbons, the Montbattens (or are they Windsors now?), the Romanoffs and the Palins.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 27, 2010 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

I find it fascinating that Beck is trying to get the Civil Rights Movement “back” when he wasn’t even BORN when King gave that speech in August of 1963 and was still shitting in his diapers when the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts were passed.  Same for his sweetheart Sarah Palin who was born the day after Beck in 1964.

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By ofersince72, August 27, 2010 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

I guess sooner or later everyone is going to question,

why is Glen Beck getting so much attention and publicity

from the “progessive” (that means Democrat) media?

Maybe and occasional lampooing, but it is non-stop, like
this man deserves the publicity or credence being given
to him.
I say none….....Ask yourself, why ae WE , always hearing
his name, when none of us tune into him??

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By Night-Gaunt, August 27, 2010 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment

I meant “early on.”

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By Night-Gaunt, August 27, 2010 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

The answer to all four questions is a single word “no” because they are protected. But if the group is perceived as a Liberal et al, they would find a way to attack and threaten them. A phenomenon I noticed early one. Not intimidation at all. Which I found suspicious because the Liberals et al are also peaceful, and without guns! But the police would find provocation some way to arrest and teargas and imprison. I will try to see how Beck‘s crowd will be handled.

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By Jimnp72, August 27, 2010 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

I dispute ER’s last sentence “and Glenn Beck will stil be a legend in his own mind.”
as GB shows every day that he doesnt have one

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By ardee, August 27, 2010 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

By rico, suave, August 27 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

As a matter of fact—Gene—Beck is trying to get King’s spirit BACK.

Utterly and unbelievably flabbergasting. You got some balls to post this garbage.

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By gerard, August 27, 2010 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

I wonder:
1. If Glenn’s crowd will be fenced in and kept two or three miles away from reporters?
2. If anybody will end up being tasered, or mowed down by a sound machine, or chased by dogs?
3. If any provacateurs will be mixed in the crowd for the purpose of creating a disturbance.
4. If photographers will only take pictures of the nuttiest of the demonstrators and see that they appear on prime time.
  You get the idea.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 27, 2010 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

My point was that when it came down to it the extremists took over from the moderates and we saw that the new Tsars were no better than the old ones. They looked different, changed the names but the essentials of any Police State were there, built upon the previous structures. From their secret police to their prison and death camps to their taking over of other countries to make them satellites. If they had stayed with Krensky Russia would have been a much better place for the Russians and the world. The Bolsheviks, Mensheviks and others all over threw the royalty. But the Bolsheviks over threw a democracy in the making and killed off any opposition to them. Krensky was allowed to live in exile.

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By balkas, August 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,
I do not recall what kerenski’s govt did. So, you may be right that it was the govt, led by kerenski, who abrogated tsarism.

But i do think that what preceded kerenski govt was even more important in abolishing tsarist rule. Without bolshevik and labor uprising oct 18 ‘17, kerenski would have never become a president.

As for russians czars, from godunov to ivan grozny, peter the idiot, an various nikolaii, they were land robbers and owners of people.
So, let’s not regret bolshevik-labor-red army kiling these bastards.

Strange, but i had not been much interested in russian history. I have nor read even one book about it.

However, i would have done exactly what red army [or whoever] had done: killed every last one of these murderers; not because of hatred towards them, but because they would have always posed a danger to russian people.

If they would have recanted and sought forgiveness from russian people and absconded, i would let them live! tnx

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By izquierdqa, August 27, 2010 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

A huckster he is Eugene. A self admitted clown that openly stated that anyone that believes a thing that he says is an idiot. Quite the disclaimer & not something that his minions care to acknowledge.

“Taking back our idiocy” should be the title of this episode.

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By ofersince72, August 27, 2010 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

Rico,  I like the way you can spur debate

Harry Belafonte was a close friend of Kings and I
believe he was present at the
“I Have A Dream Speech”

There is a great version on youtube of belefonte
cucurucucupaloma

However it comes from a Soviet Bloc country
and it is called Kou Kou Pou Kou Kou…
it still has belafonte’s voice,,but
has a Russian politician’s head on a table mouthing it
out, and in the backgroung…some disturbing scenes.
Watch it, it is funny and disturbing at the same time.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 27, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

By balkas, August 27 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

“Yes, people had dreams and not just MLK. Some, like Lenin, used power to get rid of the oppressive tsarist rule. MLK saw no need to even form a black political party.”

Your history is off, the Bolsheviks didn’t over throw the Czar, it was a Democratic-Socialist provisional gov’t under Krensky. They just rounded up the helpless formally royal family and summarily murdered them in their own inimitable humane way as “Lenin” dictated. [The idea of a revolution without firing squads was scandalous to him. What a caring humanitarian he was.]

Dr. King didn’t want us to continue to keep separating into smaller and smaller groups. We can’t be united if we are so divided. Beck made no mention, that I heard, of extending a hand to the old guard of Civil Rights because that isn’t his deal. It is to take it over and remake it.

The major disagreement that I have with Mr. Robinson’s article is that I think Beck has deeper motives than simple publicity and that he is hardly alone in what is going on. Who is behind the scenes?

The only reason why Dr. King isn’t on the same chopping block that all the others who fight and fought for social justice is he (a version of him) is needed as a wedge and a pivot to turn the path away from social justice into a perverted line he and his compatriots want us to be sent to. It isn’t just show boating.

True only some of the Tea Party are KKK sympathizers. Not all, but they should be tossed out to have their own separate rally. They won’t do it. I wish they would. Byt then statistically they are an even more distilled version of the now extremest Republican party. Remember too that the “Tea Party” was first started by Ron Paul who now would be dis-invited to any of their functions. Interesting isn’t it Ricosuave?

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By The Donkey Edge, August 27, 2010 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

Beck’s “restoring honor” is going to be akin to how he has been “restoring learning” at Beck “U”. Basically, reinventing history.

We went to Beck “U” so you didn’t have to. Every. Single. Class. Here’s the latest from the campus crazy:

http://thedonkeyedge.com/2010/08/20/beck-u-6-an-7-double-creature-feature/

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By FiftyGigs, August 27, 2010 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

“As a matter of fact—Gene—Beck is trying to get King’s spirit BACK.”

Yeah, and he has an incredibly clever plan. First step? Tell everybody to quit their church of “social justice”.

“Run, and don’t listen to anyone who is telling you differently.”—GB

“I think with all of these challenges being met and with all of the work, and determination going on, we will be able to go this additional distance and achieve the ideal, the goal of the new age, the age of social justice.”—Martin Luther King, Jr.

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By Queenie, August 27, 2010 at 10:55 am Link to this comment

I’m surprised Beck didn’t show up wearing a codpiece to cover the fact that he has nothing - upstairs or down.

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By Mark, August 27, 2010 at 10:41 am Link to this comment
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Rico Sauve and Glenn Beck are right!

Moreover, I fully expect Beck to quote MLK at length during his address.

Perhaps Glenn ought to open with:

“A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand, we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life’s roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life’s highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.”

Then he could end with:

“A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, “This way of settling differences is not just.” This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation’s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.”

I CAN’T WAIT!!!!!

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By gerard, August 27, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

Let me see, now…. What are we doing here so far—defending Beck or offending Robinson?  Or both?
Or what?

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By rico, suave, August 27, 2010 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

As a matter of fact—Gene—Beck is trying to get King’s spirit BACK. YOU and people like you have been diminishing King for years with your endless playing of the race card. You don’t own Martin Luther King. We all do.

By the way, who was that black race healer who was recently quoted as saying “Tea Party” and “KKK” were interchangeable terms?

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By balkas, August 27, 2010 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

Yes, people had dreams and not just MLK. Some, like lenin, used power to get rid of the oppressive tsarist rule.
MLK saw no need to even form a black political party.

And i spite of what he said, it seems no black leader, MSM collumnist, or politician gives a hoot about his dream! tnx

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By Cynthia, August 27, 2010 at 4:57 am Link to this comment
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Thank you for articulating what I feel in my heart and mind.  You’re a good man Eugene Robinson.  Enjoy seeing your commentary on MSNBC.

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By ofersince72, August 27, 2010 at 3:53 am Link to this comment

The whole color ....is boring….WHITE….

it’s not even a color.! ! ! !  It’s gotta be boring.
poor Europeans, I guess we did get gipped.
We don’t even have a MARTIN LUTHER KING…........

we have a DICK CHENEY…...WOW…......European descent.

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By ofersince72, August 27, 2010 at 3:41 am Link to this comment

It isn’t real surprising that a black was the first
to sell a million record albums…
  Blacks are pretty much #1 in all entertainment….
Sports, music, dance, comedy,  most all.

  Europeans and us of European decent are just a bunch
of real boring people , with just a few exceptions.

  That is why Europeans and those of European decent
always have been such war mongers and barbarians. They
are boring people with little imagination,  they have
to import all their culture and then they bastardize it
to where has no resemblence to culture at all.
They were always jealous, especially of the negro.
Same with Latins,  they can dance , have rthyem, more
good jazz,  better food and are just a colorful culture,
like the blacks.  (and better at baseball too)
B O R I N G   B U L L I E S…....E U R O P E A N S
except for the gypsies, they are jealous of them too.

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By ofersince72, August 27, 2010 at 3:09 am Link to this comment

Dribble, Bibble, Spibble Eugene. Yeah ...WOW
impressive again..$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


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By ibh, August 27, 2010 at 2:11 am Link to this comment
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Arrogant, disgusting dinosaurs - take our country back, from whom.
Relax wait till the new census figures come out - I guess you already know the answer.

Behold the new and improved face of the Mormon delusion.  With luck something will strike him dead

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