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Posted on Aug 27, 2010

By Eugene Robinson

The majestic grounds of the Lincoln Memorial belong to all Americans—even to egomaniacal talk-show hosts who profit handsomely from stoking fear, resentment and anger. So let me state clearly that Glenn Beck has every right to hold his absurdly titled “Restoring Honor” rally on Saturday.

But the rest of us have every right to call the event what it is: an exercise in self-aggrandizement on a Napoleonic scale. I half expect Beck to appear before the crowd in a bicorn hat, with one hand tucked into the front of his jacket.

That Beck is staging his all-about-me event at the very spot where the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his immortal “I Have a Dream” speech—and on the 47th anniversary of that historic address—is obviously intended to be a provocation. There’s no need to feel provoked, however; the appropriate response is to ignore him. No puffed-up huckster could ever diminish the importance of the 1963 March on Washington or the impact of King’s unforgettable words. 

Lincoln and King will always have their places in American history. Beck’s 15 minutes of fame and influence are ticking by.

The most offensive thing about the rally is Beck’s in-your-face boast that the event will “reclaim the civil rights movement.” But this is just a bunch of nonsense—too incoherent to really offend. Beck makes the false assertion that the struggle for civil rights was about winning “equal justice,” not “social justice”—in other words, that there was no economic component to the movement. He claims that today’s liberals, through such initiatives as health care reform, are somehow “perverting” King’s dream.

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But Beck’s version of history is flat-out wrong. The full name of the event at which King spoke 47 years ago was the “March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.” Among its organizers was labor leader A. Philip Randolph, the founder of the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters and a vice president of the AFL-CIO, who gave a speech describing the injustice of “a society in which 6 million black and white people are unemployed and millions more live in poverty.”

Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., then an official of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, was the youngest speaker at the march. “We march today for jobs and freedom, but we have nothing to be proud of, for hundreds and thousands of our brothers are not here—for they have no money for their transportation, for they are receiving starvation wages,” he told the crowd. Referring to proposed civil rights legislation, Lewis said, “We need a bill that will provide for the homeless and starving people of this nation. We need a bill that will ensure the equality of a maid who earns five dollars a week in the home of a family whose total income is $100,000 a year.”

And from the beginning, King’s activism and leadership were aimed at securing not just equal justice but equal opportunity as well. When he was assassinated in 1968, King was in the midst of a Poor People’s Campaign aimed at bettering the economic condition of all underprivileged Americans, regardless of race.

But why am I wasting my breath? Glenn Beck isn’t interested in history, and he certainly isn’t interested in the truth. He just likes to set off little rhetorical firebombs that grab attention—and boost the ratings for his television and radio shows.

Since Beck has called President Obama a “racist” and accused him of having a “deep-seated hatred for white people,” it’s safe to assume that some people will attend Saturday’s rally because of a sense of racial grievance and an urge for some kind of payback. But many will attend for other reasons, and they’re the ones I feel sorry for. As the growth of the tea party movement clearly demonstrates, there are millions of Americans who feel alienated from their government, distressed about the economy and frightened of the future. Their concerns deserve to be heard. Instead, their anxieties are exploited by hucksters who see fear and anger as marketing tools.

Saturday night, when the event is done, the Lincoln Memorial will still be the place where King gave one of the most memorable speeches of the 20th century. People who came to the rally in search of answers will still be looking. And Glenn Beck will still be a legend in his own mind.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
© 2010, Washington Post Writers Group


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By ardee, September 9, 2010 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, September 4 at 4:49 pm

Another instance of agreement with your assessment…...and we do share an ability to hurl invective as welllllllllll.

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By Night-Gaunt, September 4, 2010 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

http://www.bushtruthcommission.com to activate it if you would take a little more time with it.

Wow eggs and shoes, oh that is definitely equivalent to invading and destroying a country under false pretenses and in fact performing the ultimate in war crimes, see Germany & Japan from the last World War for references. Such a mass murder is getting off easy. You seem to be fixating on the least important things GoRightYounMan.

“The end of brainless military bullying is nearly over.”

Famous last words, Garth. You haven’t seen the scientific mass slaughter yet as the new century will bring a new meaning to it that will make the bloody slaughter of the last century will be considered less so. I do not want this but I see it coming is the trajectory of this country, Israel and others aren’t changed away from use of lethal force as a diplomatic tool.

Inherit The Wind you are being disingenuous in your attack on Garth. For one thing I doubt if his house is on a place where a reservation is set. Also most of that land was taken centuries ago instead over the past 62 years going all the way up to this year. Where was he wrong in his analysis? seems to me he was hating no one, just pointing out what the monomanical Zionists move to take land from others then claim it as Israel into perpetuity by any means. Something you didn’t like so you drew the over used anti-Jew stance card because you have nothing else. Not all Jews want this or agree with it but the ones running the Israeli gov’t since its founding have & whose final goal is to get whatever size Israel they think they are mandated by JHVH to have. Do you see anything factually wrong with that statement?

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By Inherit The Wind, September 4, 2010 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

Garth, you little Jew-hating hypocrite.  Why don’t you donate YOUR home to the local Indian reservation.  After all, the land YOU live on was clearly stolen from them.

But that’s OK, right?  You are no different than a phony preacher telling people that having sex without marriage is a sin while he’s boffing a parishioner’s wife.

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By ofersince72, September 4, 2010 at 7:01 am Link to this comment

All the younguns think us ole folk

  B A B Y….B O O M E R S

have lost our one last marble with this

Democrats vs Beck/Palin Show.


they evern know better.

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By ofersince72, September 4, 2010 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

Hey Conservatives and Liberals,

We could really cause a problem with this.

The Patrick Leahy website bushtruthcommission.com,

The govt, the Dem Party, and Patrick Leahy really don’t
want anyone to sign this petition.  They told very few
about this petition and didn’t advertise it. It is the
very last thing our govt. wants right now is signitures
on this petition.
You see, it was put up right after Obama came to office
to make it appear as if the Democrats were going to
bring crimes to justice.  Leahy, as chairman of the
Senate Judicial Committee could have done this without
a petition.
  They hope this petition just sits. And now, the
Democrats are just as guilty as the Bush Administration
ever was, (they really always were).
So if we could advertise this petition, lets say in the
WAPO and Times and Journal,  get about five million
signatures , which shouldn’t be hard to do,  they would
almost have to open up a hearing…
Any takers????????????????????????????????????????????????

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By Go Right Young Man, September 4, 2010 at 5:52 am Link to this comment

Damn those violent and abusive Tea Party members posing as peace-loving, kind, compassionate and tolerant, intellectual, liberals.

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Tony Blair pelted with eggs and shoes at book signing

Former prime minister attacked by anti-war protesters in Dublin as he promotes memoirs

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By garth, September 1, 2010 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

The problem, as I see it, with the American Jews and Israel, is Fear.

They were put in an untenable situation with the help of Great Britain and the United States.

Stop and think about it for just a second. The Palestinians had been living there for millenia.  Now a group of terrorist attack the colonialist, Britain, and all of a sudden it’s “This land, This land, This I call my own.”


So what do the Israelis do?  They start importing German, Russian and European Jews to lay claim to the land and resources that they never dreamed of controlling.

Now, with the help of mainly the US they cornered themselves into a position of screaming attack, existentiallism, all the while screaming anti-semitism.

All these advertisements you see in the media about how the Ayrabs, Muslims, and especially the Iranians are anti-woman are coming from Jewish front groups.

Oh, yeah, I’ve heard and read all the atrocities.  How, the Saudis beheaded a woman for sneezing in public or the Iranians stoned a lesbian, but how do the Israelies treat the Palestinians?  Compare and contrast.  Truth or Non-truth (For that check out GRYM) 

If the Israeli Jews regarded the Palestinian Arabs in a more brutish way than the American Whites regarded their African-American Slaves or the Native Americans, how can fear of reprisal not enter into their thinking?

The Israelis are Fear-bound.

Maybe, through little fault of their own.  It’s just of Jewish families escaping a ghetto in Kiev.

Like, Ed the Ukranian, who was diverted from Israel to the the US in Austria. 

He was glad to be headed for the US.  He had a wife and a son.  He didn’t want to live his life in self- serving shit hole like Israel.  He just came from Russia.  Pogroms, ghettoes.

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By garth, September 1, 2010 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

I am really waiting for Obama to appoint someone other than Elizabeth Warren to the new position as the consumer advocate in the newly empowered FED,

That’s when I’ll know for certain that is all over.

American Banking Capitalism cannot work.  It’s mathematically impossible.

They are prolonging the inevitable.  And you and I are going to feel the big pinch.

Selah, whatever that means.

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By garth, September 1, 2010 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

After the Israeli incursion into Lebanon in 2006 and its disasterous effects of 50 IDF killed in about a week, don’t plunk your hard-earned cash on the Israelis just yet.  The Israelis honor their dead moreso than we do. Israel withdrew.

Hezbollah’s military thinkers have been dealing with with the options:  How to improve on the anti-tank weapons and how will they counter a future Israeli Air Force attack on their thriving, Democratically-base Capitalist system?  Hezbollah are futurist. They think about what’s coming.  And they are brutal.

To Israel it’s of little concern what the rest of world thinks.  They’ve shown that disregard over again.
Kaplan on Zakaria’s show ‘GPS’ and Andrew Bacevich on DemocracyNow made it clear.  It’s plain and simple. 

The end of brainless military bullying is nearly over. 

China was once thought of as a sleeping giant.  I heard one knowledgeable observer say that China would rule the world, but they do not show such a nature.

Good-bye Israel as the ‘Thumb in everyone’s eye’, and hello to to the ‘inscrutable’ Chinese.

The minute Israeli touches the button for an attack, watch what happens.

You are giving too much importance to a bunch of freeloaders.

When the end comes I know, they’ll say Israel was just a gigolo, and with Paul Wolfowitz sticking a cucumber up his ass while combing his hair with a comb just taken out of his mouth, the picute will be complete.

I guess for now, though, it’s what you prefer to believe. 

Selah

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By Night-Gaunt, September 1, 2010 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

The Israelis will be the ones handing out the destructing. They are not naked, they are nuclear armed.

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By garth, September 1, 2010 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

Getting back to subject of the blog at hand, “Beck’s 15 Minutes of Fame,” 

Beck has become Governor Beck, the overlord of the amorphous crowd of the emotionally weak, the ones who fall for teary-eyed expressions on camera, especially on camera, what amounts to second-hand tea baggism.  Use your tea bags more than twice.  Conserve!  Don’t be liberal.  It’s bad for business, so they say.

Oh, what a ‘feeling’ nation we’ve become.

In the second tier, Generals Palin and Bachmann have pulled their weight, No?  They remain true to their causes—themselves.

By the way, Beck and Bachmann are Germanic names.  What kind of name is Palin?  Is that her birth name?


I remember Bill Gates’s father choking up in an interview a few years ago, I think it was 60 Minutes.  Apparently, he was pissing and moaning because his son screwed everyone and gained $100 Billion dollars.  He did take advantage of the concrete thinking of the previous wave of High Tech entrepreneurs, An Wang, Ken Olsen among others.

Who’da thunk it.

For this, Tom Brokaw of NBC News at the commencement exercises at the University of Washington in 1998 labeled Gates a ‘Genius’.

God bless us and save us.

God bless Israel in its latest misadventure.  How can one say I am sorry for stealing your homes and your land and for continuing to do the same? 

Do you blame the English under Winston, or do say Harry S.  Truman hand a hand in its creation.  By the way, I heard the S in Harry S. does not stand for anything.

I hope the Israelis are given a vote on Destruction or No Destruction.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 1, 2010 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

garth,

The truth is you’ve been caught lying in your posts.  How about simply not doing it again? 

It’s not that difficult to keep it honest.  You can still make your ideological points.

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By garth, September 1, 2010 at 7:24 am Link to this comment

Brother Grym,

Your one-note message, for me to stop it, reminds me of Krushchev’s speech at the UN where he banged his shoe on the podium.  No one remembers what he said.  They highlight the thumps of the shoe.  Nice ploy.

Someone should create an handle for counter-point message to yours, call it Go Fuck Yourself.

I shall no longer pay attention to your screeds, your non-answers, especially in light of your avoidance to take Arraya on the factual level, and drone.

I really don’t care if you stop it or not.  I can see you’ve got…......nothing.

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By garth, September 1, 2010 at 6:51 am Link to this comment

Again, GRYM, you need to listen and deal with the facts as they stand.

How about your not lying anymore and trying to obstruct the facts?

Now, stop it!
Just go sit in the corner.

Kapaln stressed the new foreign policy initiatives of the US will be of a non-military confrontation manner, perhaps, a strengthening of Air and Naval bases in Oceania.  Ostensibly so the US military will be at the ready.  Now, who in his right mind would call a bull into a china shop to help settle a price dispute?

China with ports in Bangladesh will control the North and South China seas to protect its shipping lanes.

But this does not bode well for Israel nor does it send a poistive signal to China.

Israel is the odd man out, like musical chairs when the music stops.  Israel knows, however, and plays it par excellence that as long as the music is playing everyone’s a winner.  The US can manufacture war materiel and Israel can sell it and keep the good ‘stuff’ for themselves.

The US foreign policy now is to envelop China with ships carrying Aegis missiles, by sea, and military bases in the surrounding ‘stans to the West.

‘It don’t take a Proctologist to see what the US is up to.’

Too bad Israel!  Do you think Israel will be pushed into the sea along with their nuclear missiles ‘Made in Dimona’?

That’s why we felt so trigger-happy invading Iraq. We knew Hussein had no nuclear weapons.

We bombed them in 1992 and 1998.  Superimposed ‘No Fly Zones’ and set sanctions that killed 500,000 Iraqi chilren and decimated any plans for internal development.

Why do you think, Iran does not want to follow that path?

So stop it, right now.  Don’t stand in the way of facts.  Don’t object to the truth.  It does your side very little good in the end.

Now, again, stop!

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

garth,

The truth is nothing was said by anyone which came close to what you had implied.

How about simply not doing it again?

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By PatrickHenry, August 31, 2010 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

Iran has its ayatollas, mullahs and other clerics have an inordinate amount of control over the laws and policy making of the government of that nation.

America has the Christian coalition, AIPAC, Jinsa and a host of banking concerns have a inordinate amount of influence over our foreign policy and its newly created Homeland Security apparatus.

It sucks everywhere.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 31, 2010 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

The only problem is that Iran’s “nuclear ambitions” closed in 2003, the Supreme Iyatolla said it goes against the Koran. But that won’t save them unless they actually have nuclear weapons for that will be the only thing that will save them from an Israeli sneak attack. I suspect that the Israeli generals et al have decided that if they are going to hit Iran they will need to plaster it till over 50% of the people are dead and 90% of the country is in ruins or the assaults will not end in retaliations directly or indirectly. Iran has no nuclear weapons and there is no evidence they are making any. [Remember Iraq and how certain the USA was when there was no proof and the IAEA report said so before the attack on Iraq?]

I haven’t heard Beck say anything on this matter, he is too close in promoting an immanent attack internally by Progessives to crash the economy. Too bad it is the ultra rich oligarchs who are angling to do that.

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By Arraya, August 31, 2010 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

Listen to them.  Forget about what you think and listen to what others think. 
What is Qatar officially and unofficially saying about Iran?  What is the UAE saying
about Iran’s nuclear ambitions?  What does Turkey think in regards to Iranian
cooperation with the IAEA?  How about Poland?

Do you even know what they are saying?

Because they all publicly support Iran’s right to peaceful nuclear technology.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

Arraya,- “you wanna start reigning down hellfire on some more muslims to make us safe.  lol unbelievable”

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Yes.  Unbelievable.  We agree on something.

I sincerely wish you all the luck imaginable.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

Arraya, - “Still all you can point to is minor concern in the last IAEA report concerning Iran
not responding fast enough regarding a redesign as proof of imminent doom.”

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Imminent doom?  I am writing about proof of Imminent doom?  How is it possible that you arrived at that from anything I have written?

I did not make an issue of anything in a single IAEA report.  You did….LOL I merely responded.  I can’t imagine basing any foreign policy on a single IAEA report.  In fact I have been arguing the exact opposite.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, - “Go Right Young Man the whole point of nuclear weapons is to not use them, to deter. So when we chop our numbers, they will too because this is very expensive and dangerous to manufacture and maintain such devices. We are all threatened by them and they should be ended.’

‘Have you wondered why that Iran who signed the Non Proliferation Treaty gets all this pressure and threats without owning any nuclear weapons while such criminal countries who haven’t like India, Pakistan and Israel benefit and are protected by the USA from sanctions or any interference from the UN?”

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I agree with every word in your first paragraph.

I have often thought about why Iran receives such world attention on this and several other regional and global issues.  It seems the global consensus comes down to the nature of the Iranian government itself.

This is not meant for you personally.

We all need to listen globally.  We need to listen to Iran’s near and far regional neighbors.  There are reasons why no Arab nation supports Iran’s nuclear ambitions.  Not even as a foil to Israel.  Why is that even possible?

Listen to them.  Forget about what you think and listen to what others think.  What is Qatar officially and unofficially saying about Iran?  What is the UAE saying about Iran’s nuclear ambitions?  What does Turkey think in regards to Iranian cooperation with the IAEA?  How about Poland?

These various cultures and governments have their own things going on.  Their own national security needs and markets to trade in.  The WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND the United States! 

It’s embarrassing when I travel.  That the American public seems to listen so poorly to others.  All I can reply with is a lame, but honest, condemnation of the Western media.

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Post script: I lived in Iran for nearly 8 years in the late 80s early 1990’s.  The most hospitable culture I have ever encountered.  Iranians LOVE Americans and LOVE the United States!!  Almost every liberal or progressive Iranian I know today wonders when.  When will the United States finally end the current government of Iran? - Not that many Americans would know these things.  They would if they simply listened to other real human beings.

I am against using the military inside Iran.  But I will always speak up for Iranian liberals with the goal of an separation of Iranian government from the religious hierarchy.  It has proven to be dangerous to her people and her near and far neighbors.

If that is what some would call a “new”-conservative, so be it.

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By Arraya, August 31, 2010 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

This conversation, as it were, is at its end.  It’s not possible to have an
substantive conversation about Iran with every focus on the actions of Israel
and the United States.

Are you serious.  I’d say Israel’s and the US’s motivations and actions are quite
relevant in this discussion.  As well as their past assessments of threats

Still all you can point to is minor concern in the last IAEA report concerning Iran
not responding fast enough regarding a redesign as proof of imminent doom. 

It doesn’t matter that all US intelligence agencies say the are not pursuing
weapons.  you wanna start reigning down hellfire on some more muslims to
make us safe.  lol unbelievable

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By garth, August 31, 2010 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

GRYM, Let me correct myself.  Instead of sounding like a young man, GRYM sounds like a composite.  An assignment given to a group of Jewish intellectuals by something AEI, AIPA or some such cover.

Your voice lacks integrity and lack of depth. You go right to name-calling.

Apparently your handlers at AIPAV, AEI or whichever it is, don’t have the gumption to sit on the fat arses and let their views be known.

It’s like the scene inDr. Zhivago where an old dilapidated military man leads young teen agers into battle against seasoned cavalry.

You are one of their God’s little lambs.

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By garth, August 31, 2010 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

Since I feel like I am talking to a young man, and you feel as though your Big Brother, the US military has left you to fend for yourself, I’d like to relate a story

You probably won’t understand it, but the lesson is clear.

I learned how to swim when an older neihgbor took me to the Boys’ Club pool.

He said jump in off the diving board and I’ll be there below waiting for you.  Nothe to worry about.

I moved towards the end of the board constantly looking down to maek sure he was there.

I jumped and an when I surfaced, no friend!  I apanicked but self ppreservation over came my fear and my anger I clawed my to edge of the pool.

He stood above at the edge and laughed.  He said he could have babied me. But he wanted me to learn how to swim, not to depend on someone else.

I know you have a sour outlook on anything that runs counter to your fantasies, but stop lying, face the facts, and start swimming.

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By garth, August 31, 2010 at 12:45 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

I feel like I’m talking one of the Brothers Grimm, or some acronym of theirs.

I was going to re-direct your comments to Arraya.  Links to facts.  Stated facts.

Instead of the brouhaha of who’s a liar, why don’t you simply respond to the information in the links arraya provided.

There’s plenty of bullshit to go around.  Why don’t you calm down and confront your real issue: The US is leaving you and the Israelites in the lurch.

Good luck, say they.

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By garth, August 31, 2010 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

How about facing facts.  You and your ilk are being left by the wayside,  I bet you don’t know what Kaplan said.

You lie.  If you don’t understand the situation, that’s one thing.  If you make up what you’ve heard to please an idea, that’s another.

The problem is the the Right-wing’s ideas heave been tried.  George W. gave you plenty of leeway.

Richard M. Nixon threatened to take a shsapr turn to the right in the early 70s.  The Right-wing backed down.  They knew it wa too early. 

The Government agenicies and bureacracy hadn’t yet been taken over by the likes of you.

The problem is that the Right-Wing’s ideas work in the media and they work in the real world until they don’t. 

That’s when truthtellers and workers have to come in clear up the mess.

You, Sir, are the liar.  Now stop it!

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

Arraya, - “Bullshit.  you keep on repeating the global nature of the problem.  Like that
means something.”

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This conversation, as it were, is at its end.  It’s not possible to have an substantive conversation about Iran with every focus on the actions of Israel and the United States. 

Good luck to you.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 31, 2010 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man the whole point of nuclear weapons is to not use them, to deter. So when we chop our numbers, they will too because this is very expensive and dangerous to manufacture and maintain such devices. We are all threatened by them and they should be ended.

Have you wondered why that Iran who signed the Non Proliferation Treaty gets all this pressure and threats without owning any nuclear weapons while such criminal countries who haven’t like India, Pakistan and Israel benefit and are protected by the USA from sanctions or any interference from the UN?

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

garth, - “Zakaria’s guest was a man named Kaplan.  And you’re right he didn’t specify countries by name, but your list of War supporters partially fills the bill.”

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The truth is nothing was said by anyone which came close to what you had implied.

There is no wiggle room.  There is no “saving-face”.  Simply put; you lied.  How about simply not doing it again?

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By garth, August 31, 2010 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

I have an ergonomic answer to watching the MSM news.

And this sets well with Truthdig’s, “Heavy Drinkers Live Longer than Non-drinkers” blog.

1.  Move your chair, preferably an easy chair, at least ten feet from the TV.

2.  Smoke a joint or two.

3.  Start in on the beer or the the heavy stuff.

4.  Watch the show in silence, but listen.  Maybe even, take notes.

5.  Sit back and let it digest.  Think about the man behind the camera.  What went into this production?
Does it jibe with common sense?  Remember facts that have been revealed before.  Important items might have been hidden.

6.  Think of the pols you’ve known.  Does the story appeal to your baser senses i.e, Patriotism, Fear, Hatred?

7.  Look out your window and see who you see.  You won’t see any of these people, and of that I am sure.  They live a cloistered life. They are the Prelate of Liarhood.

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Like African American slaves, we can develop a sub-culture that confounds them.  Just as they have confounded us and our youth. 

Passive-aggessivity is denounced by social psychologists but that’s because it’s harder to take names and kick-ass.  In the long run, however, it works, and it will work with these semi-techno-literate know-it-alls.

Por ejemplo,

With police monitoring the GPS systems that they have attached to cars, we can lead them on wild goose chases until it becomes like a Chinese fire drill. 

Then we can just sit back in our easy chairs, take a slug of whatever is our preference and smirk, inside.  You’ve outsmarted the best and the brightest.

Life as they are at a wont for knowing, goes on.

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By garth, August 31, 2010 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

Khoumeni’s acolytes have issued a Fatwa against some American born Islamic cleric living in Yemen.

Wait!  Correction.  The CIA has issued that Fatwa. 

(I didn’t know Leon Panetta could issue a Fatwa.)

You’d think he’d use more blunt terms like ‘Kill or Capture.’)

No hypocrisy here.  We are predominantly White, at least, for a while.  They are swarthy and bearded.  remember the 60s when the US ent war gainst the younger generation for growing long hair. 

We are caught up in a life and death struggle.  They are going to let the disadvantaged American youth and the half-crrazed Israelis fight it.

As far as the Israelis go, they brought it on themselves.  For Americans, I have a little more sympathy. 

The young look at it as a numbers game whether they know it or not.  O in the immediacy: Job or No Job. That sort of logic appeals to the Internet savvy generation. 

Most will probability come out of it alive.  But the drum beat of crazy patriotism has to intensify to keep those returning from war from realizing that they were fools and they’ve been had.

And the biggest insult is that it was partially the Israeli influence and their ability to influence our Government. 


I am suspicious of the Israeli network in this country using Government information to watch over us.

Infiltrate.  That’s what they seem to do well, especially here in the US.

But with the American mind wrapped up with issues like the Mosque in the high-rise bosque and Paris Hilton: Drug User or No?, it’s like taking candy from a baby.

So, not much of a feat after all.

US and Israel are a match made in Heaven.  The US has…..no balls.  Israel is all balls.

Both are sadly deficient in brains.

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By Arraya, August 31, 2010 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

This issue is not all about the U.S. and Iran.  There are over 160 nations on
the globe.

Bullshit.  you keep on repeating the global nature of the problem.  Like that
means something.

First off, personally I am against nuclear power in general.

Second, Iran has signed the NNPT and has the right to pursue nuclear energy. 
That is not in dispute.  Of course pursuing alternative energy would make sense
for Iran, because their oil peaked 30 years ago and it is also their biggest
export.  They are accutely aware of the energy crisis we are entering and
making logical steps to maximize their revenue.  Unlike the US which is trying
to dominate the oil region instead investing in a new energy infrastructure.  Or
like china making long term peaceful agreements with oil producers

It is mostly an issue with ISRAEL and DC warmongers and iran. And Israel and
their DC gang are trying to make it a global issue.  By scaring everybody with
falsehoods. 

Personally, I think that anybody that talks to a magical and genocidal invisible
skywizard is certifiable.  Which includes the Mullahs and that iron-age, penis-
mutilation cult in Israel.  But that is neither here nor there.

Still, Iran has not attacked anybody in 300 years it certainly hasn’t nuked
anybody, like somebody else we know, and is not constantly threatening it’s
neighbors and is not in constant violation of UN resolutions like somebody else

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Zakaria’s guest was a man named Kaplan.  And you’re right he didn’t specify countries by name, but your list of War supporters partially fills the bill.

You should learn to listen and listen to learn before anyone sets you down in front of tv News show again.

Imagine, a Right-Wing person like yourself calling someone a liar.  A pot calling the kettle black?

I think what bugs you is that the focus of War first has to change.  That’s basically what Kaplan was talking about.

Retired Army Col. Bacevich of BU said about the same thing on DemocracyNow! last week.  Only two countries remain warlike with a pre-emptive stance, the US and Israel.

Check your facts and check your lies.

To give the benefit of doubt, I don’t think Right-Wing people can tell the difference.  That’s why they fall for the Mosque in New York, Obama’s a Muslim, bomb Iran before they bomb us schtick.

It is serious business.  You should show some balance of mind and sanity.  Tell Israel to tell the truth. 

I’ll be damned if I’d support any kind of war now.  The US is the major arms dealer in the world and Israel is just an outlet store. 

Ask Netanyahu if he’ll do away with the nuclear site at Dimona?  Or if he’ll even admit it’s there.

Tell the US media to report the whole story, accurately. 

I think I know what’s bugging you, though.  The US foreign policy is now under the control of Rockefeller’s Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) instead of the Neo-Conservative, and CFR has items higher on their agenda than letting Israel fuck-up the Middle East any more than it already is.

Your buddy, David Brooks is saying, Look! Nation building works!

Gadzooks!  It’s Bush and Mission Accomplished all over again.

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Zakaria’s guest was a man named Kaplan.  And you’re right he didn’t specify countries by name, but your list of War supporters partially fills the bill.

You should learn to listen and listen to learn before anyone sets you down in front of tv News show again.

Imagine, a Right-Wing person like yourself calling someone a liar.  A pot calling the kettle black?

I think what bugs you is that the focus of War first has to change.  That’s basically what Kaplan was talking about.

Retired Army Col. Bacevich of BU said about the same thing on DemocracyNow! last week.  Only two countries remain warlike with a pre-emptive stance, the US and Israel.

Check your facts and check your lies.

To give the benefit of doubt, I don’t think Right-Wing people can tell the difference.  That’s why they fall for the Mosque in New York, Obama’s a Muslim, bomb Iran before they bomb us schtick.

It is serious business.  You should show some balance of mind and sanity.  Tell Israel to tell the truth. 

I’ll be damned if I’d support any kind of war now.  The US is the major arms dealer in the world and Israel is just an outlet store. 

Ask Netanyahu if he’ll do away with the nuclear site at Dimona?  Or if he’ll even admit it’s there.

Tell the US media to report the whole story, accurately. 

I think I know what’s bugging you, though.  The US foreign policy is now under the control of Rockefeller’s Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) instead of the Neo-Conservative, and CFR has items higher on their agenda than letting Israel fuck-up the Middle East any more than it already is.

Your buddy, David Brooks is saying, Look! Nation building works!

Gadzooks!  It’s Bush and Mission Accomplished all over again.

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By Arraya, August 31, 2010 at 7:56 am Link to this comment

IAEA reports from decades ago are irrelevant.  The latest report is all that
matters.  The last round Iran agreed to a new set of parameters which expanded
compliance that no other country that signed the NNPT has to go through.  In
essence, they moved the goal posts on them because of consistent pressure
from a certain gang that likes to make war on false premises.  In this new
round, with supplementary conditions the IAEA made a statement about not
getting redesigns fast enough.  This wording, set the current round off
sanctions, which the people that are pushing for war did not wait for a
response and will not listen to a response.  Because the bottom line is some
people DO NOT CARE.  Of course, because of the constant irrational behavior of
this certain group of people, Iran throws up it’s hands and figures it does not
matter what they do and rightly says “well fuck off, your going to accuse me
anyway”

During this time, after the monumental realization that they did not respond
fast enough on a supplementary agreement, this certain group of people goes
around telling everybody Iran is going to start dropping nukes on everybody. 
Keep in mind, they say that about everybody and have been consistently wrong
after the fact.

So here we are now, with the same propaganda scare tactics, the same media
outlets repeating misinterpretations of facts and outright distortions and the
same war drums coming from this same group of people that reside in Tel Aviv
and DC.

See Israel is suffering a major Identity crisis with their the “old testament gives
us the right to claim land, ethnically cleanse and displace the indiginous
peoples”.  Manly Jewish groups are finally speaking out against their crimes
against humanity and constant war making with their cohorts in the military-
security-oil complex in the US that is making billions off the “war against
terror”

The gig is up.  People are waking up to the fact that their behavior is
reprehensible , untenable and not compatible with a 21st century world of
international law.

Conversely,  the constant harassment of Iran over the past 50 years which was
started by them NATIONALIZING their oil and ends up with them SURROUNDED
and being threatened constantly probably is enough to make them want to seek
nuclear weapons for a deterrent.  But the “they are going to get them because
of our threat to their national sovereignty” does not play to well on the news. 
So we stick with “they are on a suicide mission to destroy Israel”.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 7:03 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, - “Oh,  are you going to try to tell me you and the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT have concerns for others?”

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Yes.  How many examples would you like to see?

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

ofersince72,

Is it possible to hold a conversation on global matters without all the focus being on the United States?

One of the most common complaints around the globe is in regards to how Americans can’t seem to concern themselves with the issues, complaints, fears, and living situations of others outside U.S. borders.

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This issue is not all about the U.S. and Iran.  There are over 160 nations on the globe.

Can you direct us toward a single Arab nation which supports the notion of an Iran with military nuclear capabilities?  Could you, if pressed, direct us toward a single European nation which is not concerned about Iran’s pursuit of nuclear technologies?

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 6:51 am Link to this comment

So, as it turns out, the hundreds of thousands of people who attended the event this past weekend in Washington D.C. saw zero arrests, zero incidents of destruction, and zero acts of violence.  All very typical of the people who have been attending such events over the past 18 months.

I can almost see Mr. Robinson’s disappointment.

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By ofersince72, August 31, 2010 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

Oh,  are you going to try to tell me you and the

UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT have concerns for others????

Sorry Go_______Wright______Young_______Man

I wasn’t born yesterday and just wake up politically
during the BushII administration.

Yes,  I have children, nieces, nephews, friends, friends
children,  that I do give a damn about, so turning the
destructive direction is important to me.  Yes, we
are a facist nation now indebted to the International
Investors that own us and our government and keep our
media throwing shit like this out to keep the public’s
attention away from home.
  And those same Arab nations have more concerns about
Israel that Iran…
Keep Googleing and reading The Journal and you will
continue to be a dumb fuck.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, - “And I really don’t care about the czar, king of Egypt wants either. - But I know what I want for MY country.  And that is to throw off the facist chains that we have allowed to shackle us…”

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If you revisit what I wrote you’ll see that I included all Arab nations and their respective concerns about Iran.  I used Saudi Arabia and Egypt as examples only.

So as not to put words in your mouth let me see if I understand: You don’t care to listen to the concerns of others.  You have your own concerns which are more important?  Concerns which fall more to domestic (fascist chains) issues?

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 6:29 am Link to this comment

Arraya, - “So let me get this straight.  you support military action and quite possibly starting WWIII and collapsing the fragile world economy because of this evidence from the same people that lead us into wars that turned out were not necessary.  Is that correct?”

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Where in the world did you get all that?  I wrote nothing of the kind.  Nothing even remotely close to any of the latest subjects you raise.  I thought the current issue you raised was in regards to Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency.

I wrote nothing of military action, WWIII or the fragile world economy.

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Perhaps we should start over?

You raised one small point in regards to IAEA reports spanning the past four decades.  I responded on that one small point. 

As it turns out the IAEA holds a different opinion from your own. - According the single report you cite, the IAEA believes Iran is obligated to give them information which you believe to be “voluntary”.

Is this not correct?

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Go_______Wright________Young________Man___________

It is not I , that is missing the point,  or how YOU

personally feel about the United States.  I personally

love my country,  I love many countries.  So , we are

taking this back to the C O L D…W A R…are GRYM?

And I really don’t give a crap what HIS HOLINESS of
the Saudi Arabian country wants…It is a backwards
country…where woman are treated like third class citizens.  And I really don’t care about the czar, king
of Egypt wants either.
But I know what I want for MY country.  And that is to
throw off the facist chains that we have allowed to
shackle us….......by the International Investors that
own our debt and dictate policy to our president and
congress.  And control our airwaves and media to keep us
talking about every issue that really is of no concern
to riting this ship that is no longer just listing, it
is sinking fast…..$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And if Israel needs our constant protection, or 300
nuclear weapons to garantee their safety because they are
encircled by people that don’t want them their,  they need
to pack up and leave, they are nothing but damn trouble
makers anyway.
Send them all to Joe Liebermans State,  they would fit
right in there,  any state that would elect him as ugly
and stupid as he sounds talking deserves them.

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By Arraya, August 31, 2010 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

From the Jeff Goldberg article the Atlantic“An Israeli attack on the Iranian nuclear
installations would have dangerous consequences, but is still necessary to prevent
a new Holocaust.”

So the idea is to kill lots of people in order to prevent a new Holocaust?

This same school of reasoning is apparently behind other Israeli policies – e.g.,
“Continued Israeli seizure of land, destruction of homes and expansion of
settlements would have dangerous consequences, but it is still necessary to
prevent Palestinian violence against Israel.”

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By Arraya, August 31, 2010 at 5:36 am Link to this comment

Both in the case of the Darkhovin facility11 and FFEP, Iran did not notify
the Agency in a timely manner of the decision to construct or to authorize
construction of the facilities, as required in the modified Code 3.1, and has
provided only limited design information. Iran’s actions in this regard are
inconsistent with its obligation under the Subsidiary Arrangements to its
Safeguards Agreement, and raise concerns about the completeness of its
declarations.

you’re kidding me, right? 

Because Iran did not get back to them FAST ENOUGH about a redesign equates
to Iran is going to nuke Israel.  you are aware Iran lets inspectors in as well. 
Also, Iran is in process of complying to this. 

So let me get this straight.  you support military action and quite possibly
starting WWIII and collapsing the fragile world economy because of this
evidence from the same people that lead us into wars that turned out were not
necessary.  Is that correct

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/09/15/intelligence-agencies-say-no-new-
nukes-in-iran.html
Intelligence Agencies Say No New Nukes in Iran

The big question is why do you believe the same bullshit over and over again
from the same people that are wrong every time.  It’s the same propaganda
from the same people that notoriously lie.  Over and over and over and over.  And
for this you are calling for a fresh round of baby killing?

Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington’s
chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-
Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.

The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear
Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.

The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to
submit to inspections. Israel refused.

The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in
agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.

In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs
showing Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at
Dimona.

Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran,
leading up to Israel’s bombing of the power station at Osirik. International
experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no
evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.

When Israel was building it’s facilities it told the world it was for peaceful
purposes.  It’s like they are projecting their own inadequacies.

More recently, in September 2007, Israel attacked a military installation in
Syria. Later, the Israelis (and their supporters like the US neocon gang), started
claiming that it was a nuclear reactor. The Israeli story fell apart upon some
digging. For the real story, see the article on Counterpunch,
“Syrian Nukes: the Phantom Menace”, available online at
http://www.counterpunch.org/farley04252008.html
The author draws heavily on earlier work by journalist Laura Rozen and
Libertarian blogger and antiwar activist Justin Raimundo. In fact, the Syrian
military installation at Dair Al Zor that Israel attacked was a military depot, not
a nuclear reactor.
Syria does have a tiny research reactor that produces isotopes for medical
research. Syria has received technical training help in the reactor from a
number of countries, including the US (!!)

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, - “So what if they don’t,  Many don’t want to see the U.S.  with one either”

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I think you’re missing the point.

This is not all about how you personally feel about the United States.  Let’s not dismiss every concern or intention of every Arab Nation in regards to Iran because the U.S., Russia, China, India, Pakistan, N. Korea and Israel possess nuclear weapons.  There is a separation of issues and concerns.  We need to truly and respectfully listen to those concerns regardless of our own views of Iran, or for that matter, the United States.

On a separate but ancillary note.  Do you honestly believe Egypt and Saudi Arabia, for example, wish the U.S. disarmed while leaving Russia and China fully armed with nuclear weapons?  Every indication is that they would not wish that to become a reality.

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So what if they don’t,  Many don’t want to see the

U.S.  with one either

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What do care if Iran builds a nuclear bomb

  Go_______Wright________Young________Man ? ? ? ?

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By Go Right Young Man, August 31, 2010 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, - “Don’t you believe that a nation in the Middle East should have a nuclear deterrent against U.S. and Israel aggression?

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I do not agree with the premise of your question. 

If are respectful, and simply listen to others, we see that there is not a single Middle Eastern nation which desires to see an Iran with military nuclear capabilities.

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Ladies and Gentlemen, step right up to todays

side show, sponsered by the International Investors.

Today, we are taking a break from mosquedebating and

going back to the sixty year war.  Tomorrow, we will

be back to the Glen Beck side show.

RICH BOSS still smarter than you….....
At least he gives us good side shows to entertain ourselves with$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Arraya, - “the Iranians haven’t responded quickly enough to demands for things that the IAEA does not have juridiction over (e.g., heavy water) but which form part of Iran’s SUPPLEMENTARY (and voluntary) Safeguard Agreement.”

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You write that Iran is not responding to IAEA requests concerning “things” that the agency “does not have jurisdiction over”.

It seems clear that you have not read this report you cite. 

30. In accordance with Article 39 of Iran’s Safeguards Agreement,10 agreed Subsidiary Arrangements cannot be changed unilaterally; nor is there a mechanism in the Safeguards Agreement for the suspension of a provision agreed to in Subsidiary Arrangements. Therefore, the modified Code 3.1, as agreed to by Iran in 2003, remains in force for Iran.

31. Both in the case of the Darkhovin facility11 and FFEP, Iran did not notify the Agency in a timely manner of the decision to construct or to authorize construction of the facilities, as required in the modified Code 3.1, and has provided only limited design information. Iran’s actions in this regard are inconsistent with its obligation under the Subsidiary Arrangements to its Safeguards Agreement, and raise concerns about the completeness of its declarations.

Iran has not yet resumed implementation of the modified Code 3.1. It remains the only State with significant nuclear activities which has a comprehensive safeguards agreement in force but is not implementing the provisions of the modified Code 3.1. It is important to note that the absence of such early information reduces the time available for the Agency to plan the necessary safeguards arrangements, especially for new facilities, and reduces the level of confidence in the absence of other
nuclear facilities.

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Arraya,

I have studied every IAEA report concerning Iran since the early 1960’s.  I’m sorry, however, pretending you have, and pretending you understand these reports, is not going to work in a discussion between the two of us.

If you study International Atomic Energy Agency reports since (at least) 1998 to date we will have much to discuss.  You have to actually read the documents, however.  Not simply claim to have studied them.

Good luck to you.

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By ofersince72, August 30, 2010 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment

I just faxed this to the Pentagon

Funny thing,  I was told that the operations officer
That was on board the USS MANITOWOC at the time of
My original injustice passed away in 2004.

Come to find out he was still alive in 2006, bet he is
Still alive today.

Doesn’t matter,  the USN isn’t going to rite this Gross
Injustice anyhow.  However,  I damn well deserved
The Honorable Discharge that I originally received,
and always have been at least as fit as
Anyone of you!!!!  Later, 28B, ME…...
To bad you have a job that you can’t be truthful about!

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By ofersince72, August 30, 2010 at 9:59 pm Link to this comment

That was just a little tongue in cheek of my own,

but I did have a point.  I am really for a complete

demiliterization of the Middle East, and believe the

U.S. ought to pass a law not to sell and more arms.

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By Arraya, August 30, 2010 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/u-a-e-denies-backing-use-
of-force-against-iran-1.300591
A senior UAE official says his country rejects the use of force against Iran over its
nuclear program, despite reports that a top diplomat suggested a military strike is
an option if sanctions fail.

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By Arraya, August 30, 2010 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment

Don’t you believe that a nation in the Middle East

That is another discussion all together.  The point is there is NO evidence accoring
to our own experts.  And we played this game before with the same neocon-Israeli
echo-chamber saying the same thing.  Before Saddam was the “new hitler” and we
did not want “the evidence to be a mushroom cloud”.

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By Arraya, August 30, 2010 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

I believe you have yet to study for yourself the last four IAEA reports on
Iran.

It’s quite obvious, you have not.  I posted the link below - go take a look.

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By ofersince72, August 30, 2010 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

Go___Wright___Young___Man

Don’t you believe that a nation in the Middle East

should have a nuclear deterrent against U.S. and

Israel aggression?????????????????????????????$$$$$$$$$$$

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By Arraya, August 30, 2010 at 9:08 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man - your argument is nonsensical.  your coalition of the
willing does not want to attack Iran.  We all know who wants Iran
attacked(which also plays into 10 millions of rapture freaks fantasies here in
the US).  your conflating what their stance is on Iran having nuclear weapons,
and, yes they do not want them to have weapons.  So Kudos to you for pointing
it out.  THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE OF IRAN TRING TO OBTAIN NUCLEAR
WEAPONS.  In fact, The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are
unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear
weapons. 


[http://www.physics.harvard.edu/~wilson/
In 1978 Richard Wilson was worried about a possible “Islamic Bomb” as a
counter to the Israeli posession of nuclear weapons.  But in 1981 he discovered
that the activities at the time (including the OSIRAK reactor) were peaceful, and
could be monitored.  He constantly reminds people that the Iraqi nuclear
program before 1981 was peaceful, and the OSIRAK reactor was not only
unsuited to making bombs but was under intensive international safeguards. 
The 1981 bombing of this reactor did not delay Iraq’s nuclear bomb program. 
On the contrary it started it..

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Blaa,  Blaa,  Blaa…..................................

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By Go Right Young Man, August 30, 2010 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

Apparently President Obama’s top education official urged government employees to attend the rally that Rev. Al Sharpton organized to counter a larger independent and conservative event on the Mall.

ED staff are invited to join Secretary Arne Duncan, the Reverend Al Sharpton, and other leaders on Saturday, Aug. 28, for the ‘Reclaim the Dream’ rally and march,” began an internal e-mail sent to more than 4,000 employees of the Department of Education on Wednesday.

I’m curious as to whether or not Mr. Robinson will write about this or will he ignore it. I’ll wager a steak dinner he ignores that which he would normally protest with passion and vigor.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 30, 2010 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

garth, - “One of guests on Fareed Zakaris’s show on CNN last Sunday admitted that the US’s military power still holds sway over: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Britain, Germany, Poland, Sudan, Australia, Austria, France, and Denmark etc.”

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Why write a falsity which can so easily be checked by others?  That makes no sense.  To anyone.

I saw Zakaris’s program myself.  Nothing of that kind was said by any of his guests.  If it had been said, which it had not, it would be an opinion.  Not an “admittance” of fact.

Please don’t do this again.  This is not a game.  There is no room for such dishonest intentions.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 30, 2010 at 5:45 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

- I believe you have yet to study for yourself the last four IAEA reports on Iran.

- If you believe over 90 world governments are colluding against Iran at the behest of the evil United States I can only say that we see the world differently.

- You imply China and Russia hold the more prudent view of Iran while Germany, France, Britain, along with most every other representative country on the planet hold the incorrect view of the situation.  On that we will never agree.

- You further imply that every Arab nation, including Syria, cower in fear of the U.S. which implies all are disingenuous in regards to their decade-long overt fear of a nuclear Iran.

- I believe you give the U.S. too much credit and give far too little respect to all others.

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By Arraya, August 30, 2010 at 2:10 pm Link to this comment

If anybody has read the IAEA document (either the Feb 18th one or the May

10th one) you would know that the ISrael has - YET AGAIN - embellished the
IAEA’s statements. It’s like Richelieu, but with a lack of finesse that
means it only works on retarded folk or those who have no mind of their own.

For those who are interested - the actual cite (the source document
rather than some Pravda style agitprop ‘interpretation’) can be found
in Section E “Possible Military Dimensions” of
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2010/gov2010-10.pdf -
which makes abundantly clear that the reason these folks want to bomb
Isfahan and Natanz is because the Iranians haven’t responded quickly
enough to demands for things that the IAEA does not have juridiction
over (e.g., heavy water) but which form part of Iran’s SUPPLEMENTARY
(and voluntary) Safeguard Agreement.

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By garth, August 30, 2010 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,
One of guests on Fareed Zakaris’s show on CNN last Sunday admitted that the US’s military power still holds sway over:

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Britain, Germany, Poland, Sudan, Australia, Austria, France, and Denmark etc.
But the times they are a’changin.

Our foreign policy of Military Might Makes Right along with Israel’s belligerence makes no sense in the 21st century.

If we follow GRYM’s idea, we’ll be trapped. 

Creating a mess here at home from the ground up and expanding it to a war in the Mid-East with Iran will benefit whom?

The end of neo-colonialism is over.  Business has taken charge.  If you don’t get it, there are still uncharted places in the Northwest where you can hunt with your musket.  Alone.

The days of War are winding down.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 30, 2010 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

The last time the IAEA evaluated Iran’s capability in 2006, they had nothing and it stopped Israel from attacking. Pres. Bush apologized but even he couldn’t attack with that sitting on the table. I don’t know about all those other countries and NATO have to do with it. They operate through the USA at its call. What conspiracy do you mean? If they use our data they will be fooled and defend and aid the USA for their own reasons including this. They certainly did it for the first and second attacks on Iraq which were both based of bogus propaganda. You do know that don’t you? The same here. The USA is the 10 billion ton nuclear monster in the room and most either cower or eagerly grab the tail to follow the beast where ever it wants to go. Fear can do that. The facts I stated aren’t changed by your list. So what is your point?

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By Go Right Young Man, August 30, 2010 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, - “Part of this propaganda war to start a shooting war with Iran is the trumped up, baseless story of an Iranian atom bomb.”

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What are you saying? 

Are you saying that Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Britain, Germany, Poland, Sudan, Australia, Austria, the United States, France, Denmark etc., also the the majority of NATO and IAEA members are all conspiring against Iran?  To what end or purpose do you envision for this conspiracy?

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By garth, August 30, 2010 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

Hooray, Night-Gaunt,

“Part of this propaganda war to start a shooting war with Iran is the trumped up, baseless story of an “Iranian atom bomb.”  Much like how it was done in the prelude to attack Iraq. Only Iran is much larger and starting one would plunge the world into a huge crushing depression far larger than we have right now. But lies go a long way when they are repeated so often by the mindless. The “ground zero mosque” is as real as Iran having a chance to build any type of nuclear weapon. Both are false. “

If public opinion stills means anything, an attack on Iran and an escalation of the War in Afghanistan will be averted.

Stop the War.  Begin the Peace.  Use your heads for more than a hat rack.

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By garth, August 30, 2010 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

Rico,

I hope this is good-bye.  But the Saudi’s have been drilling for water since the English first set foot on their sands.  They have always been drilling for water.  A Saudi admitted that years ago. 

The tried de-salinization.  De-salinization plants cost more than $50 billion a whack. 

And the Saudis haven’t had an oil strike in more than 14 years. 

Now, what’s coming up in their oil wells is water.  Water is used to force the oil to the top.  When water starts coming out, you’ve reached the end of the well.  And I repeat.  It’s been 14 years since the Saudis have struck oil.  And they have just about run out of influence, I guess.

Now, the saudis aren’t stupid.  The royal family needs water.  With the population booming from 25 million to about 40 million i the ear future and political unrest mounting, what do you suppose the Royals saw as their solution.

Hussein, to the East, photographically bathed in pools of clear water and stuck it the faces of those Sultans of Sand to the West. 

On a personal note: what’s important to you, joe, might just be as important, if not more, to those in Saudi Arabia.

Don’t forget the bin Laden family were big investors in George Bush’s half-assed attempt to be an oil tycoon.

But all this is neither here nor there. 

They’ve got you by the balls or you are a ‘nester’, a bird who sits on the lines and watches the to and fro of blog talk.

Either way the point of ofersince72 bears repeating:  Don’t watch MSM.  It’ll rot your mind.

The real ones to look out for now are the ones wielding power.  The gang of investors and social planners behind Obama.

Do you have an estate set up in Dubai?  Or are you a poor Jew?

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By Night-Gaunt, August 30, 2010 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

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“Except that Christian theocracies got over stoning and killing non-believers about three hundred years ago.”

If you read their literature you will find that stoning and other means of punishment would be used in their Christian Theocracy. Including mutilations and the liberal use of the Death Penalty. Read the likes of R.J.Rushdoony to educate yourself on what they want. Dominionism or Christian Reconstructionism are two of the monikers that identify them even if they refuse to use it themselves.

Beck’s conspiracy ideas paint him as a possible martyr for the “cause” by the evil Progressives he says is arrayed to take over. That is why.

Part of this propaganda war to start a shooting war with Iran is the trumped up, baseless story of an “Iranian atom bomb.”  Much like how it was done in the prelude to attack Iraq. Only Iran is much larger and starting one would plunge the world into a huge crushing depression far larger than we have right now. But lies go a long way when they are repeated so often by the mindless. The “ground zero mosque” is as real as Iran having a chance to build any type of nuclear weapon. Both are false.

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By garth, August 30, 2010 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

Rico,

I hope this is good-bye.  But the Saudi’s have been drilling for water since the English first set foot on their sands.  They have always been drilling for water.  A Saudi admitted that years ago. 

The tried de-salinization.  De-salinization plants cost more than $50 billion a whack. 

And the Saudis haven’t had an oil strike in more than 14 years. 

Now, what’s coming up in their oil wells is water.  Water is used to force the oil to the top.  When water starts coming out, you’ve reached the end of the well.  And I repeat.  It’s been 14 years since the Saudis have struck oil.  And they have just about run out of influence, I guess.

Now, the saudis aren’t stupid.  The royal family needs water.  With the population booming from 25 million to about 40 million i the ear future and political unrest mounting, what do you suppose the Royals saw as their solution.

Hussein, to the East, photographically bathed in pools of clear water and stuck it the faces of those Sultans of Sand to the West. 

On a personal note: what’s important to you, joe, might just be as important, if not more, to those in Saudi Arabia.

Don’t forget the bin Laden family were big investors in George Bush’s half-assed attempt to be an oil tycoon.

But all this is neither here nor there. 

They’ve got you by the balls or you are a ‘nester’, a bird who sits on the lines and watches the to and fro of blog talk.

Either way the point of ofersince72 bears repeating:  Don’t watch MSM.  It’ll rot your mind.

The real ones to look out for now are the ones wielding power.  The gang of investors and social planners behind Obama.

Do you have an estate set up in Dubai?

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By rico, suave, August 30, 2010 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

garth:

Your post has nothing to with Beck. Nevertheless-

“...any “reputable” alternative news sources…” That’s an oxymoron, or they wouldn’t be alternative, they’d be MSM.

You’e damn right the Saudis are afraid of an Iranian bomb! The Saudis are Arab Sunnis, the Iranians are non-Arab Shiites ruled by apocalyptic fanatics. Israel is not part of that equation.

And you need a geography lesson. The Tigris and Euphrates down to the estuary are completely within Iraqi territory. “A conscious obeserver might inguire, “Why are they doing that?”” A less conspiracy-minded student of the area might respond, “To make the rivers deep enough for commercial barge traffic.” Why must there be a dark ulterior motive? And how does dredging it benefit the Saudis, who, by the way, have plenty of water in their own aquifers? (And what does the sexual preference of the head of the ACE have to do with anything?)

I think we’ve run out off steam on this thread. See you later.

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By gerard, August 30, 2010 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

We’ve been through this right wing clamor under McCarthyism, with people like Koch, the Birchers and Legionnaires behind them, and either we overcame them or they died out.  Like most of history, it is not entirely clear just what happened. 
  While they were ascendant a lot of innocent people suffered unnecessarily because a lot of ignorant people were misled by fear and propaganda.  Same old same old.
  The fundamentals of democracy are pretty strong, though often intertangled and murky (like how much freedom of whom is too much, and if so, what to do, etc.)
  Looking back, I personally didn’t do much except speak out publicly, and help those who suffered when possible. I am sure that lack of education (and the economic instability that so often goes with it)  is at the base of the hysteria, and a belief in the use of force feeds into the possibility of violence. Unfortunately, at present we have the same instability and the belief in force to cope with—a volatile situation and a time not to light matches.

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By garth, August 30, 2010 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

If you stop and think about it.  All this so-called news has a familiar ring to it.  If you listen to, read, or watch any reputable alternative news sources, one begins to ‘connect the dots’, to use a tired cliche.

Take for example, Yochi Dreazen of the National Journal, on C-SPAN today.  He cited an article written by Jeffrey Goldberg that said the Saudis are so afraid of Iran that they going to let the Israeli Air Force fly over its air space.

A day earlier on the same C-SPAN program, the head of the Army Corps of Engineers, a transexual by the way, aquiesced to a caller who said that the Army Corps of Engineers is currently dredging the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers in Iraq.  A conscious obeserver might inguire, “Why are they doing that?”

It is to guarantee the supply water to the Saudi Royalty and to help them stay in power, and to supply water to Israelis and help them in their expansion in the Middle East.  They alrady gained control of most of the Palastinian aquifers.

To put it bluntly, the US told the Saudi King:  No fly over; no water!

Israeli targets, however, are not just the West Bank and Gaza.  The plan eventually includes Lebanon, Syria, Iran. (And Hosni Mubarak’s son might do well to gather his rose buds while he may.) Those who bend to kiss-ass might find a surprise when they try to raise their heads.

So, the US gains control of the Mid East water. 

(On a re-run of PBS’s “Need to Know”, I saw a Wyoming rancher who said, after his water was despoiled by Natural Gas ‘Fracking’, “You wait and see, water will become more expensive than gasoline.”

Ask the Bolivians about that.

The point is: it doesn’t matter who kills whom at this point.  It’s all bullshit, and you don’t know how to tell the horse from the horse feathers.

That’s the point Ofersince72 makes and the one I reiterate.

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By rico, suave, August 30, 2010 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

garth:

I’m not the one who brought up asassination. I only wondered what “loner lurking in the shadows of a larger organization” you thought Beck was worried enough about to wear a vest.

And your Brockton story: Wasn’t it the Government who fucked up? You twist it like it was an evil corporate monster conducting business as usual. And what does that have to do with the Beck thread anyway?

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By firefly, August 30, 2010 at 8:21 am Link to this comment

I completely agree with you ER.

It is revolting that whilst Glenn Beck pretends to
identify with those that are struggling under current
economic problems, he’s actually profiting (earning
millions) by stirring up irrational hatred and anger
against the very people that are trying to clean up
the mess that was created by THEIR political party –
something that will take a long time. He is tapping
into the ignorance, bigotry and fear of the mob and
twisting it to his advantage.

He has rewritten the history of America and much of
Europe as well. He acts as though he and his
supporters are the only ones entitled to claim
America as theirs, in their image (which must make
Native Americans laugh), and forgets that America
grew rich and powerful on the backs of slavery.

His understanding of socialism and the fundamental
causes that led to communism in Europe and Asia is
laughable.  For example, I doubt that he knows that
poor starving people had to sell their children in
China and Russia just to buy a loaf of bread, whilst
the rich lived in obscene opulence – a bit like Glenn
Beck does today.

It is positively repugnant that he should compare
Obama with Hitler. His Islamophobic propaganda makes
him the one that is most like Hitler (during an
economic depression after WW1, Hitler turned ordinary
Germans, against Jews). The very fact that he is
allowed to continue with this dangerous game,
demonstrates that Obama is NOT who Beck claims he is.
And finally, to try to claim that Beck is doing
anything worthwhile or helping anyone in the way that
MLK did, is a shocking lie.

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By ofersince72, August 29 at 11:54 pm Link to this comment

The best solution,

Everyone turn their god damn televisions off and quit
reading mainstream newspapers.

Then no one would realize we really don’t like each other.
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I, for one, think ofersince72 is absolutely right. No, Absofuckinlutely right. 

The object of MSM has become manufacturing news not reporting on it.

Case in point:

The Bachmanns and the Becks and the moist and luke warm tea bags will multiply the number of people at the rally.  That’s to be expected. 

But the NBC and CBS news accounts varying so wildly tells me someone is trying to push this rally so that it gathers speed and size at the expense of honest news reporting. 

The government officials who usually make such evaluations have stepped out of the argument.  Why?

I saw an overhead photo, finally.  And it looked like most of the area was taken up by the reflecting pool itself.  The thin crowd in the fringes said it all.

It was like the file footage of Dan Quayle walking to a rally in 1992.  He said, “Look, the crowd is rushing toward me (as he moved his hands and arms in a gesture to show the movement of the crowd). 

Point in fact, there was no crowd.  A few picnickers were standing around a grill at the top of a knoll.

The remaining point about this fiasco is:  How can the MSM keep the pot boiling?  Like the Mosque brouhaha and all the rest of the stories.  It’s mainly to foment unrest—the one item that the Rabid Right decries about the idea of a vibrant middle class in a strong Democracy.

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On a local note:

About 8000 or 9000 residents of the working class town of Brockton, MA got their water bills the other day.  Most of the bills were in the tens of thousands of dollars.  (I do not shit you.)

One bill was $100,000.  Others included amounts of $10,000 and $17,000.

The water department said it was no mistake, that they had been reading faulty water meters for years, and this was simply a bill correction.

Of course, the ones who received the bills are protesting, but this represents the same idea.  It’s an old management technique.  Stir the pot!  Make impossible demands and watch the little piss ants squirm and cry.  It provides a feeling of power to the powerful, and as an experiment, it gives them feedback.

It’s sort of like a Montesori School.  They can do whatever they want, while we pick up the tab.

Talk about a ‘nanny state.’  We are in a reverse nanny state.  Those childish gluttons do whatever they want to get their way and the worker is left with the bill.

To Rico,

You are still spellbound by the MSM and the faux news and faux history that we’ve been subjected to.

It’s never the one who people like you think it is who do the assassinatin’.  Look how little we actually know about Oswald, Ruby, Sirhan, Bremer, and the one who tried to knock off Reagan, the son of a family friend of George H.W. Bush. 

And all the rest.

Assassins are usually, hapless loners who get caught up in some crazy scheme.  Schemes that have been developed by the likes of Senator John Kerry’s staff or some other cabal that passes for Republican or Democrat.

Robert Fisk said it after the assassination of Fariq Hariri in Lebanon. “These (assassins) are people who lurk in the shadows, and they do their work at the behest of some larger organization.”

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By rico, suave, August 30, 2010 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

GRYM:

Progressives will excuse violence against the Tea Party using the following syllogism:

Tea Partyers act non-violent.
Non-violent behavior indicates suppressed violent tendencies.
Therefore, their non-violent behavior proves that Tea Partiers are innately violent. QED

Now that it has been established that the Tea Party is rabidly violent, it’s ok to fight back if necessary.

Who could argue with that logic?

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By Go Right Young Man, August 30, 2010 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

Maani, - “Indeed, my strongest feeling toward them is pity, for being so misled by the demogogues and corporatists who are leading them.”

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I guess I’m unclear how the large financial contributions toward the Tea Party protests are different from the contributions of Bush era protests from such “corporatists” as Edward Gresser, Alfred B. Engelberg, Alan R. Batkin, Jeffery Zuckerman and Michael Moore.

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It’s worth repeating that zero violence has been seen from the “Tea Party” while over a dozen documented cases of violence against protesters are almost completely ignored on this and other Web spaces.

The hatred toward today’s protesters, very often in violent terms, is on display all across TruthDig, literally, on a daily basis (refer to this very thread).  Where are the calls of peace and inclusion from this “left” leaning Web space?

- SEIU members viciously beat a black vendor with a baseball bat at a Tea Party event, while repeatedly calling the man a Nigger, however, all we ever see on this Web space are complaints and references to mean words and spitting from the Tea Party crowd.  Almost never a condemnation of, or calls of racism toward, SEIU.  Do you find that interesting as well?

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By rico, suave, August 30, 2010 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

garth:

“Also, with all the talk about non-violence, I noticed Glenn Beck wore a bullet-proof vest.  Is he fearful?”

May be. But do you really think he’s afraid a Tea Partyer will shoot him?

Is it hypocritical to talk about non-violence and wear protection at the same time?

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By rico, suave, August 30, 2010 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

poonckie:

“I know it sounds like Iran, Saudi, and all of the other Muslim countries around the world but, a christian theocracy is no different.”

Except that Christian theocracies got over stoning and killing non-believers about three hundred years ago.

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By ofersince72, August 29, 2010 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

The best solution,

Everyone turn their god damn televisions off and quit
reading mainstream newspapers.

Then no one would realize we really don’t like each other.

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By ofersince72, August 29, 2010 at 7:46 pm Link to this comment

Well it seems that both sides of this debate
believe their are some short comings in our governance.
The poster that said we all need to turn our fingers
around I believe has a good idea.

  I don’t believe I am the only one that believes this
whole media theater with Beck and the Tea Baggers vs
loyal Democrat supporters is just that, a contrived stage
game.  Neither the conservatives or the progressives,
with the likes that they have voted into office needs
to patting themselves on the back and pointing a finger
at the other.  From Boehner and Mitchell, to Pelosi and
Reid,  the electorate has no one to blame but themselves.
Personally, I believe Beck is a creep and he gives me the
willys, however , I don’t see FOX anymore guilty than
the rest of the MSMs in distorting issues and constantly
keeping non-issues the subject of public debate.
  And screw Rachael Maddow too.  If she were sincere,
she and MSNBC would ignore FOX News, and report news,
which none of the MSMs do.

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By poonckie, August 29, 2010 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

It’s become a sad day in this country when the likes of Beck, palin, bachman and the rest of the fearmongering racist pieces of feces become national spokes puppets for Saudis and megalomaniacs like the Kochs. The people rallying and screaming for them are the dupes of the century. And as far a having a crowd cheer be the proof of legitimacy, well, Jim Jones had crowds, Karesh had crowds even serial killers have die-hard fans.
The thing that disturbs me is the way ALL of the MSM take their talking points from the same trough and spew them verbatim to the American public.

Rachael Maddow seems to be the only journalist left who actually fact checks her stories and present information relevant to us.

Beck and palin are airhead media constructs on the payroll of the very people they are paid to rail against, mainly the Muslim Saudis who, by the way, get richer when wars are fought. The Bin Laden family is the largest construction firm in the middle east, the King and his family rake in billions spent on oil.

We’ve seen this act before with the Moral Majority attempting to force their religious views into our political process. There are those who would love a theocracy where their beliefs are the only ones allowed. I know it sounds like Iran, Saudi, and all of the other Muslim countries around the world but, a christian theocracy is no different.

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By rico, suave, August 29, 2010 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

DaveZx3:

“I think I should be permitted to call for a return to honesty and truthfulness without being labeled a nazi.  A call for restoring honor is certainly no less valid.”

How quaint, Dave! Modern Progressives, you see, have moved way beyond such bourgeoise sentimentalities. As Spooky43 notes, these are merely code words for “kill, kill, kill all non-Mormon talkshow hosts”. And the non-violent behavior of the rally-goers only proves beyond a doubt how violent they really are deep down inside. The logic is irrefutable.

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By DaveZx3, August 29, 2010 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

In addition to Honor, Hitler spoke of:

“There is a road to freedom. Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor, Honesty, Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and love of the Fatherland.”

Based on the perverted logic of some posters, we should refrain from speaking of all these things, lest we be accused of being nazis.

I think I should be permitted to call for a return to honesty and truthfulness without being labeled a nazi.  A call for restoring honor is certainly no less valid. 

Get a grip on all your nazi paranoia.

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By Maani, August 29, 2010 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Felicity:

Re your first post (the Tablets), ROFLMAO!  Re your second post (Hitler and “honor”), brava.  A truly perceptive thought.  It falls right in with another odd piece of (scary) trivia.  Do you know what Hitler’s very first piece of legislation was when he became Chancellor?  The creation of (and this is an exact translation from the German) a “Department of Homeland Security.”

Peace.

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By Spooky-43, August 29, 2010 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

rico, suave, August 29 at 5:32 pm

Whenever Beck tears up, it means “lock and load”.

That is the only code I could break so far, but I’m working on it.

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By call me roy, August 29, 2010 at 1:46 pm Link to this comment

Eugene, you sound a little resentful? Is there something wrong? Maybe you’re a little upset about Beck’s crowd being 10, 20, 30 times larger than
Rev. Al’s? Could it be because many Americans (of all races) realize that the NAACP now is not the NAACP of years ago. After all Eugene, any organization that gives Van Jones (a communust) an Image Award, has got major problems?
If anyone still thought the lame-stream media were objective, this article should clear up that particular misconception. In addition to the various slanted/wrong reportage mentioned above, I would like to point out that (taxpayer supported) NPR’s morning coverage of the about-to-unfold event was remarkable in its sneering tone. An example: MSN’s homepage does not even have the event listed on the first page. Gee, Newsvine and MSNBC are really Pravda America aren’t they?
I like this example:
A comment from Pat C who was at the event. Wasn’t Maritn Luther King all about “character rather than color of skin”? So why does Al Sharpton think he has claim to “everything Martin Luther” simply by the color of his (Sharpton’s)skin? Don’t you think Martin Luther would be happy to see a celebration of his life by a gathering of people of all skin colors? MLK is a piece of American History. I am American. So why can’t I embrace him too? Al Sharpton’s existence and notoriety is dependent on the continuation of racism, so he has a stake in making sure that racism continues to exist, or at least portraying it as such. This does not mean that racism does not exist, but rather we have moved beyond this in the general scheme of things. Sharpton misrepresents the extent of racism and also, racism works both ways. BTW, I am blonde and I have experienced stereotyping because of my hair color. Does this happen often? No. Do I use this as an excuse when things don’t go my way? No. I don’t want to trivialize race issues, but we need to move past this.
Many of the Guest Speakers in the Restoring Honor Rally were of different races. Two of the Speakers in the rally who actually got the most applause were black and hispanic. So why did multiple news media only talk about Glen Beck and Sarah Palin? Could it be that this whole rally was not consistent with their “liberal paradigm” and their reporting simply had to make it fit their agenda? I think the answer is obvious. I am sick of the mainstream media trying to make and twist news. Maybe that’s why Fox News has a much larger audience than all of the other networks combined. When will the mainstream news outlets wake up and start doing their job the way they are supposed to?
Pat C hit the nail on the head, huh?
By the way Eugene, I have heard rumors that MSNBC’s Morning Joe is going to have guests start wearing Mao hats and Che Guevara t-shirts? Any truth to this?

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By Spooky-43, August 29, 2010 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

By Night-Gaunt, August 29 at 4:09 pm

“Remember the IQ tests came out of the same minds that gave us eugenics as a way to live. We are still saddled with it and its cousin the Standardized Test which despite its tremendous limitations and its detrimental affect on education it is still given inordinate importance in our society by these same “conservatives.” They are conservative when it comes to our freedoms verses theirs.”

Totally ignorant response, pardon my French.  Why do you think the electorate gave the house, senate and executive over to the democrats.  So something could get f’ing done. 

It is time to quit blaming everything on everybody else.  If the left put as much energy into getting some reasonable policies in effect as they do in trembling over Beck and Palin, maybe things could change.  And tell the Worm that blaming George Bush for everything is getting a little old also.

Give me one good reason why meaningful change cannot be implemented regarding standardized testing, or anything else for that matter. 

And if you say that because Glenn Beck lies, and the teabaggers are stupid and believe his lies, and as a result congress has its hands tied because they cannot generate any popular support, then you are as ignorant as you accuse others of being.

Because if you can’t generate popular support, then, 1. your policies suck, or 2. the masses are too ignorant to see the wisdom in your policies, or 3. the masses are intelligent but deceived.

I think it is mostly number 2, because intelligent people can only be fooled for a very short time, eventually they figure stuff our. 

No it is that the masses are ignorant.  That is why democracy is a delusion in 2010.  The people have been dumbed down to where politics is just another reality tv show.  But an ignorant vote counts the same as an intelligent vote.

The only answer for today is the same answer as it has always been.  You have to educate society to a very high level for a democratic process, including a constitutional republic, to work.  So why isn’t this happening?  Why are there kids graduating from high school who cannot read or write?  Who benefits from all this ignorance?

Since it is obvious that ignorance is its own state of slavery, I ask again sincerely, why is the ignorant state of the population ignored? 

Or maybe a few better questions are, what are the obvious consequences of millions of totally ignorant votes, and who should take the blame for that?

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By rico, suave, August 29, 2010 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

Spooky:

VERY SORRY man. I only read the first two graphs and missed the fun.

Great post.

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By rico, suave, August 29, 2010 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

Spooky:

“Glenn Beck inciting old American people to kill all the non-whatevers.  You probably didn’t hear it, because he uses code words, secret signals to give the commands to his minions.”

You have a clearance. I know you do if you flew Spooky. So what are the code words and secret signals?

Pathetic.

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By rico, suave, August 29, 2010 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

garth:

Stop it. You’re flailing and embarassing yourself.

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By felicity, August 29, 2010 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Throughout the later ‘30’s Hitler spoke to the German
people about ‘restoring’ the honor of the German
people. (They really took it in the neck following
WWI - not only had they lost the war, they had been
shamed into believing that they were inferior
(remember the “master race” that Hitler preached.)

What was the title of Beck’s ‘event’ - to “restore
honor to the American people.”  The Germans fell for
Hitler’s rhetoric.  Will the Americans fall for the
likes of a Beck?  If not Obama, who else will be able
to stop this movement in its tracks before it becomes
unstoppable.

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By the worm, August 29, 2010 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

For Beck, God is Money; TV Personalities are National Leaders; and his
broadcast is High Tech Ventriloquism and he a Human Dummy.

Question: Who are the Edgar Bergens to these Charlie McCarthys?
Answer: Billionaires and the financial industry.

Remember GW Bush and the other Republicans passed “the Bailout”, effectively
moving $ 3,400,000,000,000 (that’s $3.4 Trillion) to the financial industry and
away from the middle class, beggaring the vast majority of voters and leaving
the middle class without purchasing power - oh, by the way, the banks are
more profitable than they have been in years, and the depression deepens.

Now, that the wealthy have been bailed out, it’s time sell the notion that only
the individual can ‘help him or her self’—“Psst, Just make sure we’ve bailed out
the wealthy with middle class money, before we start ‘selling’ that boot straps
and moral hazard stuff.”

And the wealthy just keep stealing from us.

Thanks to Glenn Beck & his ilk, it’s all done very effectively with God, TV and
teleprompters.

The American middle class has become so deluded, they have become simply
the willing audience, sometime participants, in a cynical vaudeville show.

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By felicity, August 29, 2010 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment

It was when the disembodied voice of Beck came down
from on-high speaking to the great unwashed,
beleaguered multitudes below, that I lost it.
Eventually regaining my composure, I waited with
bated breath for the Golden Tablets to descend to the
podium below coming to rest at the feet of The-Holy-
Sarah-Mother-of-God, but alas no Tablets.

Needless to say the least the Fox Network could have
done was give us a decent infomercial - for only
$19.95 I could buy a gadget that sliced, diced,
minced and cooked something edible? No Golden
Tablets, no magic gadget, no nothing.

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By Night-Gaunt, August 29, 2010 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

By garth, August 29 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment

Also, with all the talk about non-violence, I noticed Glenn Beck wore a bullet-proof vest.  Is he fearful?

He constantly portrays himself as a martyr to be.

By Spooky-43, August 29 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

Democracy will have to be canceled indefinitely until the masses gain enough intelligence to vote. I mean really, shouldn’t there be an IQ test before someone is allowed to register to vote in this country, or even to gather in such large numbers.

Remember the IQ tests came out of the same minds that gave us eugenics as a way to live. We are still saddled with it and its cousin the Standardized Test which despite its tremendous limitations and its detrimental affect on education it is still given inordinate importance in our society by these same “conservatives.” They are conservative when it comes to our freedoms verses theirs.

To Garth & Spooky-43, both your points are valid in that those in opposition, not just the visible Tea Baggers, but the big money and powerful bankrolling this has that agenda of putting us, & the Tea Baggers in our place as they see it. As lobe and labor slaves to live a life that is brutish and short while they will live very long lives with the latest in medical technology at their beck and call.

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By garth, August 29, 2010 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

Also, with all the talk about non-violence, I noticed Glenn Beck wore a bullet-proof vest.  Is he fearful?

He claims a couple of hundred thousand at the rally.  One of his heroes or heroines, Michelle Bachmann, said that there were more than a million at the rally.  NBC News puts the number at 200 to 250 thousand.  CBS says about 87,000. 

I’d go with CBS’s estimate.

With money from the Koch brothers behind the rally, I’ll bet that maybe a quarter of the number of ralliers were private security forces.

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By Spooky-43, August 29, 2010 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

Democracy will have to be cancelled indefinitely until the masses gain enough intelligence to vote. I mean really, shouldn’t there be an IQ test before someone is allowed to register to vote in this country, or even to gather in such large numbers. 

It’s dejajew all over again, except this time it is not Hitler inciting the Germans to go to kill all the non-aryans, but Glenn Beck inciting old American people to kill all the non-whatevers.  You probably didn’t hear it, because he uses code words, secret signals to give the commands to his minions.

See what happens when you let ignorant people have jobs and money, or social security?  They spend it on something stupid, like this.  It looked like most of those people were on social security to me.  Cut their payments off, immediately. 

No one with a lower IQ, except those selected by the high-intelligent elite, should be allowed to have more than a very basic, existence-level wage to insure they have no money to carry on like this, ever again.  They should institute a maximum wage.  And social security payments should be severely reduced or eliminated for all old people over 65, because they have no clue what to spend money on, obviously.

It was sickening watching all those hundreds of thousands of ignorant right-wing fruitcakes honoring God, honoring Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, honoring the founders of their country, and honoring wounded military members.  It is desecration of the Lincoln memorial.  Lincoln is still rolling over in his grave. 

And they all just stood around clapping and singing patriotic and religious songs. Doesn’t that break some kind of law?  You know, singing “Amazing Grace” on public property, or the “Star Spangled Banner”.  Don’t those songs mention the “G” word.  Where is separation of church and state when you really need it? 

And what is with this Faith, Hope and Charity???  Is that a good enough reason to gather in Washington DC and sing stupid songs?  Not only no, but HELL NO!!!!  Another stupid Beck invention that no one believes in.  He’s been spouting that stuff for months, as if what?  I thought Obama was the “hope” guy.  Beck steals everyone’s ideas. 

I heard that no one was signing up to go to this book-selling event, so Beck had to pay everyone to attend.  I heard that he paid them each $18.  And still no one would come, so he had to shell out for bermuda shorts and knee high white socks also.  Good thing for Beck only half a million people showed up, otherwise he might have had to borrow from his 401K. Rich bastard.  I hope he can sleep at night with the guilt of earning almost as much as Tiger Woods. 

It is no wonder this country is going down the tubes.  And that traitor, Alveda King.  What does she know about MLK and his “I Have A Dream” speech?

I taped the whole thing, and I am going through the video to clip out all the violence and all the hate signs, and all the bigoted racial speeches, and all the anti-Obama stuff these hate-mongerererers were spewing.  (how many “ers” are in hate-mongererers, anyway?) 

And Palin!!  Where does she get the money to buy her way into all of these high-visibility events.  Surely they must charge her a bundle for the right to speak for more than 30 seconds with that annoying voice of hers.  Politicians who do not have nice sounding voices should be denied freedom of speech.  You could tell the attendees were getting irritated by her speech.

And politicians with an IQ of less than 75 are an embarrassment to the country.  There should be IQ tests for running for public office also.  And politicians should have to denounce religion, to ensure separation of church and state.  If Beck does run for office, will he be allowed to continue to be a Mormon, and talk about God? 

And one final thing.  I counted the actual attendance head by head on my TV.  There was only 759 people there.  They just put up multiple shots of the same people to make it look like more.

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By garth, August 29, 2010 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

The drum beat for the end of Social Security is getting louder and more persistent.

Every time I watch a tv talk show lately there’s someone like the already-taken-care-of-Government-hanger-on, Richard Haase, now of the Council of Foreign Relations, or a trust-fund-baby-posing-as-a political-pundit like Evan Thomas of Newsweek who is asserting that we have to make drastic changes to Social Security.  They hint towards privatization, raising the elegibility age, cutting benefits, means-test or just plain making it a poverty program.

That’s certainly part of Beck’s thrust.  That along with cutting taxes and ensuring that the military remains untouchable by ‘honoring’ the war dead.  Note that the major supporters of Beck at the rally were Air Force.  They are like a Christian Militia that seems to have broken away from control by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Secretary of Defense and even the President, his own self.

It’s like a Chinese Finger puzzle, they bring up the fallen soldiers and what can anyone say, politically?
‘Stop the War’ doesn’t translate.

When Beck talks to those used up Tea Bags, someone should pipe up and ask Beck, “If given a choice should we emphasize ‘Cutting Taxes, or should we be for ‘Fucking Ourselves?”

Answer me that, Oh! Beck, Guru from God.

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By gerard, August 29, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

I wonder:  if Beck actually did us all a favor—perhaps without meaning to do so, but nevertheless ...

The “non-political” rally may have served to let off some steam that was accumulating.  If that was the case, we all got lucky.  Time will tell, as it always does.

PS:  Note for Homeland Security:  The absence or inobtrusiveness of police helped.

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By Maani, August 29, 2010 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

GRYM:

Although I realize you were not singling me out (or necessarily even including me), I deplore violence in any form against any person for any reason.  My issues with the TP are strictly political, philosophical and religious, but without rancor.  Indeed, my strongest feeling toward them is pity, for being so misled by the demogogues and corporatists who are leading them.

In that regard, this may interest you (and others):

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print

Peace.

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