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John le Carré: Calling Out the Traitors

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Posted on Oct 12, 2010

By Amy Goodman

John le Carré, the former British spy turned spy novelist, has some grave words for Tony Blair. More than seven years after the invasion of Iraq, the former British prime minister, now out of office and touring the world pushing his political memoir, is encountering serious protests at his book signings.

“I can’t understand that Blair has an afterlife at all. It seems to me that any politician who takes his country to war under false pretenses has committed the ultimate sin,” he told me when I sat down with le Carré recently in London. “We’ve caused irreparable damage in the Middle East. I think we shall pay for it for a long time.”

We sat in a television studio across the River Thames overlooking two of his former places of employment: MI5, the domestic security service, and MI6, the secret intelligence service, which operates internationally (the equivalents of the U.S.‘s FBI and CIA). John le Carré is the pen name of David Cornwell, who was a spy from the late 1950s into the early 1960s. He began to write novels and had to assume a pen name due to his work as a spy. He was stationed in Germany when, in 1961, he saw the Berlin Wall go up, motivating him to write his third novel, “The Spy Who Came in From the Cold.”

The novel came out as another British spy novelist, Ian Fleming, was enjoying success with his series about the notorious fictional British spy James Bond. Unlike the flamboyant characters and endless action of the Bond books and films, the subjects of le Carre’s novels were bleak characters engaged in unsavory acts of deception and calculated violence. With the world focused on the Berlin Wall and the Cuban missile crisis, le Carre captured a global audience, depicting the raw reality of the spy on the front lines of the Cold War.

As the Cold War ended, le Carré continued his prolific writing, shifting focus, increasingly, to the inequities of globalization, unchecked multinational corporate power and the frequent confluence of corporate interests and the activities of national spy services.

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Perhaps best known among his later novels is “The Constant Gardener,” about a pharmaceutical company using unwitting people in Kenya for dangerous, sometimes fatal, tests of an experimental drug. He explained, “The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God.” Like many of his novels, “The Constant Gardener” was made into a popular feature film starring Ralph Fiennes and Rachel Weisz.

Le Carré has written often of Africa: “It’s where I have seen globalization at work on the ground. It’s a pretty ugly sight. It’s a boardroom fantasy. What it actually means is the exploitation of very cheap labor, very often the ecological disaster that comes with it, the creation of mega-cities, the depletion of agrarian cultures and tribal cultures.”

His latest book (his 22nd), just out this week, is called “Our Kind of Traitor.” It targets a fictional array of London bankers and their protectors in Parliament, who collude with Russian Mafiosi to prop up the collapsed world economy by laundering hundreds of billions of dollars in criminal profits.

Back in 2003, before the invasion of Iraq, le Carré marched against the war with, by many estimates, more than 1 million people: “We were all wedged together and looking into Downing Street, where the prime minister’s residency is ... a kind of feral roar of popular will rose. I tried to imagine what it must have been like for Blair sitting inside that building and hearing that sound. ... I think it will always be remembered of him that he took us to war on the strength of lies.”

He said he wouldn’t buy Blair’s book, but he does have some questions for him: “Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order ‘shock and awe’? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?”

Le Carré summed up what sees as a central problem for global powers, especially Britain and the U.S.: “Victims never forget, and the winners do. And they forget very quickly.” Because of that, John le Carré continues writing, into his 80th year, engaging people as he seeks what he calls “the big truth.”

Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column.

Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 800 stations in North America. She is the author of “Breaking the Sound Barrier,” recently released in paperback and now a New York Times best-seller.

© 2010 Amy Goodman

Distributed by King Features Syndicate


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By garth, October 18, 2010 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

JohnnyWelch, October 18 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

“So, let me see if i understand…  Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Blair, etc., etc. are not facing trial for war crime allegations because Obama doesn’t want to “waste” the political capital and bring even greater division to the country?  Meanwhile, our reputation in the world suffers and, worse yet, the hope for democracy and nations ruled by laws takes a back seat to the emerging powers?  So, then, who is responsible if our republic crumbles?”

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That’s the observation that rings true time and time again.

“..Obama doesn’t want to “waste” the political capital and bring even greater division to the country?”

That’s what they’ve used over and over again.

We’re not ready for universal, single payer.  It would cause too much disruption.  (It’s like being told that you are too young to stay up and watch late night tv .... by your younger brother who turns to be a stepson.

Closing Gitmo and trying the Gitmo prisoners in the US would cause too much disruption.  So let’s leave them there.  Forever.

Fighting for Elizabeth Warren as head of the Consumer Agency would be a long drawn out unnecssary battle.

Allowing the Islamites to build an Cultural Center a few blocks from where the WTC used to be would cause too much disruption and pain.  Fuck the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.

And the list goes on and on.


I know what he can do.  He can crack and smile and break into a merry jaunt as takes the podium.  He can give a wannabe-rousing campaign speech with a semi jive-talking accent.  He enlivens the parollees.

He shoud watch Michelle, his esposa, do a speech.  She’s engaging.  She grew up in the family of a Chicago Ward Boss.  She knows how to talk to get a point across.  Plus she’s as cold as a witch’s teat.  She used to turn way the emergency patients from the South Side of Chicago when she was administrator of the University of Chicago’s Medical Center.  Now that takes balls.  She’s got ‘em.  He ain’t.

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By JohnnyWelch, October 18, 2010 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

So, let me see if i understand…  Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Blair, etc., etc. are not facing trial for war crime allegations because Obama doesn’t want to “waste” the political capital and bring even greater division to the country?  Meanwhile, our reputation in the world suffers and, worse yet, the hope for democracy and nations ruled by laws takes a back seat to the emerging powers?  So, then, who is responsible if our republic crumbles?

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By kenergy599, October 17, 2010 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment
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Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Blair need to be in jail for war crimes and being accessories to the murder of 3000 people on 9/11/01

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By drbhelthi, October 16, 2010 at 6:58 am Link to this comment

“Why are we talking about Tony Blair as war
criminal, and not a peep about Bush?”
- - for a starter:
- Blair is not an offspring of an original, WWII NAZI Spy affiliated with “Operation Paper Clip,” & repetitions, 1945-1948. (see-  http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm)
- MI5 & MI6 spend more time doing spy work and less time than the CIA copying names from tombstones and WWII-hero dossiers, falsifying family histories of NAZIs, and fitting them into US history.
- MI5 & MI6 are concerned with “homeland
preservation” and less with turning the western
world plus the Mid-East into UK “homeland.”
- “Public media” in Europe are not as completely
owned and manipulated (currently) by NAZI-zionist-
types as are media in the USofA.
- Tony Blair´s sire made no agreement with La Hague to defer charges in the alleged “World Court,” for violations of international law, as Junior Bush´s sire is alleged to have made.

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By garth, October 14, 2010 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

I saw both parts of the interview, and I thank Amy Goodman, as well.

DemocracyNow! is the only program on tv that one can rely on.  All others are at best questionable.

I appreciated John LeCarre’s clarity.  Maybe it’s his British accent, maybe his skills at writing novels, what ever it is, I enjoyed listening to weave a line of logical, coherent thought throughout the interview.

One of the reasons, I feel, that Bush’s poodle, Blair and his book weren’t a big success is his Americanization of his speech.  He injected bits of British feigned humility with a few self deprecatory remarks, but otherwise his answers to the interviewer’s question sounded lie he’d been trained by an American PR person to sell the book in America, Ah! America.  I love America.

Plenty of money.  Plenty of dummies.  This is Heaven.  Look no further. 

Tony the Bone, Blair found out different.  It’s the underlying fraud the underlying lying, if you will, that tells the story in semi-conscious America.  If you lull populations into that level of consciousness, you have to know who or better what you are talking to.

Thanks again, Amy, and the other interviewer who was with you

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By TheDavidDaoud, October 14, 2010 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

Thank you Amy, always a dependable voice of sanity. Btw, I’m happy to see you looking so healthy lately.

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By gerard, October 13, 2010 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

Here’s to all people with intelligence and compassion who are willing to spend their lives trying to help others understand what is going on and what can be done about it.  That goes for both John LeCarre and Amy Goodman, and a host of others scattered throughout the world whom we never hear about.

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By kerryrose, October 13, 2010 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

hlouisnini,
‘but I have hopes that somewhere in this great country there is an emerging young leader who will do that in a serious, civil, productive way. ‘

How nice, how patient, how civilized, how accepting of atrocities.

Sorry, but the apathetic, ‘someday this country will do the right thing’ is the same attitude that perpetuates the accepted abuses in this country.  No sense of outrage, no desire to call our elected officials to task.

That, my friend, is why this country if GREAT ONLY IN YOUR OWN APATHETIC FANTASY.

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By kerryrose, October 13, 2010 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

I’m not sure why the same standard is not applied to George Bush?  Why are we talking about Tony Blair as war criminal, and not a peep about Bush?

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By M L Baker, October 13, 2010 at 11:10 am Link to this comment
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The only weapons of mass destructions found were our own. These men have been operating above the law for years developing policies based on lies and deceit. As members of the international corporations and motivated by greed and profit, they have no respect for human rights/life, social justice and rule of law. The American people withdrew their support for this government when the “truth” seeped through the propaganda machine (media).

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By G.Anderson, October 13, 2010 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

wonderful!

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By hlouisnini, October 13, 2010 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

I think I have read everything Le Carre has written.  I first became aware of him when a neighbor told me of “Tinker , Tailor” during a very tumultuous time in my life, and I immediately read it, and found a friend.  I now own both the PBS series and re-watch them periodically.  And I will eventually read his latest.

Now to John personally.  As a contemporary of you in age and time - in the south we have a saying - “Just keep on, keeping on.” - call ém out, we haven’t done that yet with Bush - but I have hopes that somewhere in this great country there is an emerging young leader who will do that in a serious, civil, productive way.  Remember the line that Ford used “We have emerged from our long national nightmare” -  That was child’s play compared to this one - I know I was there for both of them.

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By glider, October 13, 2010 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

The quote,

“Victims never forget, and the winners do. And they forget very quickly.” is worth this read alone. 

Thanks Amy!

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By tedmurphy41, October 13, 2010 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

If we are going to be able to look other Nations in the face, when we preach Law and Order to them extolling our peerless Judicial system, then the likes of Blair and Bush, along with their cohorts, should be behind bars awaiting trial, charged with causing the death and injury of innocent people by waging war on wholly unfounded pretexts, against specific resolutions set out by the UN.

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By Ouroborus, October 12, 2010 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

Superb interview, IMO. Here’s a link to the interview
with John le Carré;

http://tinyurl.com/35gczf4

Amy Goodman has no peers in U.S. news broadcasting.

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