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Jobs: Go Big or Go HomePosted on Aug 29, 2011
President Obama’s promised jobs plan needs to be unrealistic and unreasonable, at the very least. If he can crank it all the way up to unimaginable, that would be even better. This is a moment for the president to suppress his reflex for pre-emptive compromise. The unemployment crisis is so deep and self-perpetuating that only a big, surprising, over-the-top jobs initiative could have real impact. Boldness will serve the nation well—and, coincidentally, boost Obama’s re-election prospects. The political calculus is pretty simple. If voters base their decision on the state of the economy on Election Day, Obama is in trouble. Even the most optimistic scenarios predict that unemployment will still be above 8 percent next fall. These rosy projections envision month after month of painfully slow growth, the kind that is barely discernible. Pessimists see another dip into recession. Note that I said this would mean Obama is in trouble, not that he’s toast. Pay no attention to the sage analysts who furrow their brows and note that no president since World War II has been re-elected with unemployment above 7.2 percent. This figure is arbitrary and meaningless. Before Ronald Reagan won his second term in 1984, those same analysts would have sniffed that no post-war president had been re-elected with the unemployment rate above 6 percent. Reagan won 49 states. And why does the furrowed-brow crowd insist on limiting the sample to presidents of the post-World War II era? Perhaps because Franklin Delano Roosevelt totally messes up the story line. FDR was re-elected in 1936 when unemployment was roughly 17 percent. Voters understood they were living through a global economic crisis that wouldn’t be solved overnight. Advertisement Obama can quite likely win by convincing voters that even if they’re unhappy with his economic policies, the nation is better off sticking with him—because any of the Republican candidates is likely to make things much worse. This line of argument has the benefit of being true. Does Mitt Romney have anything to offer except the warmed-over policies of tax cuts and deregulation that landed us in this mess? How will Rick Perry explain his view that Social Security is an unconstitutional Ponzi scheme? Can Ron Paul persuade Americans to carry satchels of gold dust to the mall? Does Michele Bachmann have an economic program at all? Obama can probably win this way, but he wouldn’t enter his second term with much of a mandate. That’s why the FDR example is relevant: Roosevelt won re-election in the midst of the Great Depression not by convincing voters that his opponents would make the economic situation worse but by demonstrating his utter determination to return the nation to prosperity, no matter what obstacles he had to overcome. Obama and his advisers know very well that this is the wrong time to cut government spending. They know that using federal money to seed big new initiatives—to upgrade the nation’s crumbling infrastructure, jump-start the “clean energy” industry, retrain the unemployed so they can compete in tomorrow’s job market—would give the economy a much-needed boost. They know, too, that federal action to buoy the housing market would help revive consumer spending, thus giving corporations a reason to invest the estimated $1 trillion they’re sitting on. Such ambitious proposals would demonstrate that the president is willing to think big—that he is not willing to accept the Republican narrative of massive retrenchment and, by implication, inevitable decline. So Obama should go big, not small, with his jobs plan. It is hard to overstate how apprehensive most Americans are about the future. Boldness from the president may or may not get the nation’s mojo working again. Timidity surely won’t. Republican leaders in the House of Representatives would immediately declare any such ambitious program dead on arrival. The president should welcome their opposition—and campaign vigorously against it. He can offer voters a choice between a pinched, miserly vision of the country’s prospects on the one hand and an optimistic, expansive view on the other. He needs to demand what’s right, not what the other side is willing to give. We know Obama can be rational, realistic and eminently reasonable. Right now, he needs to be anything but. In a recent column, I incorrectly attributed a study on economic mobility to the Pew Research Center. It was done by the Pew Charitable Trusts.
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By ardee, September 5, 2011 at 5:55 am Link to this comment
..and I stand by my words there, regardless of how many times they are repeated.
Entropy acted childish and almost hurt himself avoiding the libertarian label. When I made the mildest of suggestions that he was being labeled such by his own words, he flew off the handle.
The Ill Wind is fast and firmly gaining the reputation as a childish little fool, sans the intellect to debate properly. Posting my responses to rudeness is just stupid, as is this poster. Need I search the forum for the endless insults this jackwagon has hurled at so many over the last two years plus I have been here?
My very first effort here was to ask this fart in a windstorm why he was being so rude. Keep casting stones moron, I am confident that the adults here understand both your uselessness and irrelevance.
Report thisBy Gorgeous, September 4, 2011 at 11:53 pm Link to this comment
If they know this is a bad time to cut spending and all the other stuff the article mentioned why the Hell did Obama caved in to the Republicans during the debt crisis - please don’t say he was being the adult in the room - he has yet to do anything without caving - and in the debt debacle there were such good other options? I simply can no longer believe that Obama is willing to do what needs to be done to win. Which, considering the Republican candidates is terrifying.
Report thisBy entropy2, August 31, 2011 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment
@Inherit The Wind—Thanks! It’s so hard not to keep responding to this asshat, especially when he baldface lies! I come here to discuss and debate, not always convincing someone, but hopefully giving and taking. I don’t mind reasoned disagreements, but brainless attacks, lies and rhetorical BS—:P
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, August 31, 2011 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment
Yet again the Resident Dickhead shows that he heaps abuse of the most feculant sort on anyone who dares question his “wisdom” gained in the services of “St. Ralph”
ardee, August 31 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment
Lafayette, August 31 at 8:26 am
You do take loyalty to its most extreme level. I bet you and OM have a lot in common. How many detainees have been tried, or even had charges leveled against them. Perhaps the greatest miscarriage of justice and you make light of it because your blind loyalty to all things democrat. You really believe a prisoners country of origin is proof of anything but the worms in your head?
entropy2, August 31 at 5:32 am
No indeed, I directly addressed your point, but apparently mistook you for someone willing to debate. Go and commit an anatomically impossible task upon yourself for all I care.
He lies about addressing a point, expecting you to confuse his insults, obfuscations and opinions for facts.
He’s also attacked Shenonymous and Leefeller this way as well as his little vendetta against yours truly.
I am continually amazed and saddened at the ability of otherwise moderately intelligent people like the R.D. to fool themselves so badly that they inevitably lash out savagely at anyone who challenges their bizarre fantasies.
Report thisBy eblack, August 31, 2011 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment
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I could care less what Obama has to say. There is only one thing that will help our economy and that is for us to all buy American made products, period. Everything you buy should be made here - all of it, every bit. We don’t have any jobs because we don’t make anything! I walked around the city today and street after street I saw empty buildings that used to be factories. Do you really think you are helping this country when you shop at Walmart? You aren’t, you’re helping China. I have nothing against the Chinese people but we are in trouble, here, now. It is time to circle that wagons and get on our feet again. Shop at farmers markets, go to etsy and buy something that someone made HERE. Buy a car that was made in this country, plates, sheets, dishes that are made HERE. Trust me, there is someone in this country right now making whatever it is you need to buy and the only way we are going to get out of this mess is if we support them.
One of that main reasons that we’re in this mess is because we stopped making things and then started borrowing money to buy the things that other counties made. I mean really, just how daft are we? If you stop buying from companies that have their factories overseas, they will bring their factories back here. It’s really very simple. The people in this country are the only ones that can save it.
Report thisBy D.R. Zing, August 31, 2011 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment
Yeah, ardee, I must admit that I too paused on this
line:
“The recent dip in Obama’s approval ratings appears
to reflect dissatisfaction with his handling of the
economy—and points to a potential vulnerability that
his Republican opponent will seek to exploit.”
Robinson’s lawyerly use of the term “recent” is like a hangnail with a backrub.
President Obama has been annoyingly predictable with
foreign and economic policy.
He can’t spend money at home because it’s wrapped up
in the wars.
He can’t stop the wars because too much of the
economy is wrapped up in the war.
He can’t stop the wars because he hasn’t been able to
substantively change our energy policy, which depends
on the oil for juice and the wars for protection.
He can’t stop the wars because if he did and we got
hit by a major terrorist attack shortly thereafter
his political balls would be dangling
from that big fence around The White House—and the
Democrats would be banished from the place for a few
decades. Never mind the incompetence of George W.
Bush and what happened during the first nine months
of his White House vacation.
Like I’ve said or implied in a lot of posts, if a third party
candidate runs with a plank in his or her platform of breaking
up the network television news corporations—
that candidate will get my vote.
No progressive candidate will ever be effective
until we break the war propaganda machine
the distraction machine
the disinformation machine
the Repub-li-crat point-of-view machine
the public pillory machine
known as network television news.
It’s a diabolical beast.
Report thisBy MD, August 31, 2011 at 11:21 am Link to this comment
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If he is going big on jobs and they are needed infrastructure and greening of
Report thisexisting infrastructure (which will save us money in long run), then good! BUT HE
NEEDS TO LAY OUT HOW WE PAY FOR IT. I am accused of being a lib/progressive
and I can’t stomach more deficit spending. SO he needs to make clear that a 3-5%
tax raise on millionaires and up will pay for it. AND it would be nice to cut into
defense spending, or shift some of that. BUT HOW WE PAY FOR IT NEEDS TO BE
CLEAR. And then I support it. But not just deficit “voodoo” economics, “supply-
side” crap. TAXES on the wealthy. Sorry for yelling in my post.
By Izquierdista1, August 31, 2011 at 9:46 am Link to this comment
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I believe Mr. Robinson should be more specific as to the kind of jobs he wants to see out of president Obama.
Report thisIt is said that Obama will be offering some rather vague and ineffective proposals. If this is true he will once again show his inability to lead and address the vital needs of this nation’s people!
Obama should read up on the New Deal. President Franklin Roosevelt was pressured by the Left including labor to create the Works Project Administration (WPA) along with other public works programs that saved the nation’s unemployed. This was also the time that Social Security, public housing and unemployment benefits came to be.
The “private sector” has had it’s chance. While the corporations are raking in record profits, they do not appear to be interested in putting American workers back on the job!
The unemployed took over Tea Bagger Congressman Paul Ryan’s office in Wisconsin. This and similar actions should be occurring across the nation!
By Project Mayhem, August 31, 2011 at 9:20 am Link to this comment
And just to be clear on something…
Lafayette: “And it’s me who is shilling for the Replicants?”
No, it’s you who’s shilling for Democrats who are actually Replicants. See, that’s how Replicants work, Laffy, they look like something they really aren’t. Maybe someday you’ll get a handle on all that, but I won’t hold my breath.
Report thisBy Project Mayhem, August 31, 2011 at 9:04 am Link to this comment
Lafayette,
Your “riposte” is laughable, and, of course, exactly what was expected. Moreover, I did vote at the midterm and will continue to vote, as I’ve already stated in previous post. I see you can’t be bothered to read what it is people actually write before you cobble together some feeble excuse for an insult.
“Betrayal of what?” If you’re asking this question in all sincerity then it is you, not me, who is woefully ignorant. But I know you’re not being sincere, Lafayette. You’re just intellectually dishonest and morally stunted, like your beloved Fop-in-Chief.
Report thisBy Lafayette, August 31, 2011 at 8:26 am Link to this comment
Right, they were in Afghanistan with flowers in their hair to attend a Peace Day gathering put on by Paul McCartney.
Look at the Detainees List of Prisoners and where they came from.
“Old feuds”, me arse.
Report thisBy Lafayette, August 31, 2011 at 8:11 am Link to this comment
IN DENIAL
Betrayal of what? I never saw Obama’s T-shirt that said, “And I walk on water too!” Did you?
You are ignorant ... of the fact that he was handed the worst recession in 80 years - and, of course, you expected Abracadabra Economic Policy to pull us out of the Deep Doodoo.
You are also in denial, like so many others who victimize themselves. Looking for a scapegoat, are you? Peek into the mirror.
A minority of the American voters (48%, to be exact) voted the Crazies into power because people like YOU decided to stay away. So, the American People got what they deserved.
MY POINT
And with your nattering negativism, you are aiding and abetting the Republican candidate for the Oval Office.
And it’s me who is shilling for the Replicants?
POST SCRIPTUM
Mimicry is the sincerest form of flattery. Thank you.
Report thisBy poodfreemon, August 31, 2011 at 8:07 am Link to this comment
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It is obvious that half the American population was not ready for a half black president.
As nations go, we do indeed have our right foot firmly planted in immature adolescence and primal survival emotions.
I am glad that Obama’s blackness brought the white racists out of hiding. For three years the white racists have been stumbling over each other to invent ways of saying nigger in public without actually using the word. Limbaugh was fond of calling Obama “Barack the Magic Negro.” Glenn Beck tried unsuccessfully to label Obama the racist, after which his TV show lost all its sponsors. Then there was the idiot white woman at a McCain rally who called Obama “an Arab.” And the vapid right-wing cry, “I want my country back!” I didn’t know, pre-Obama, how deeply racial insecurity and sexual insecurity befoul the right-wing mind.
In oppressive Belarus, the youth movement is resisting the government by using “weaponized irony.” At demonstrations, when the police arrive, the demonstrators sincerely applaud the police. This phenomenon so disconcerted the oppressors that they have outlawed applauding the police.
Mr. Freeze has called for ideas that will create demand and thus engender significant job creation. I suggest self-employment. I am calling for more humor like that of Jon Stewart, Colbert, Bill Maher and Lewis Black. I truly believe that Michele “Squeaky Fromm” Bachmann and Rick “Foghorn Leghorn” Perry can be laughed off the main stage.
Report thisBy entropy2, August 31, 2011 at 5:32 am Link to this comment
@ardee—again, you fail to directly address the ideas I mentioned, choosing, instead, to play identity games. What, exactly, about the specific ideas I advanced do you disagree with?
I mentioned Mondragon Corporation as a model for a possible route to more social and economic justice. It is the 7th largest company in Spain…my positions are anything but “unique” to me.
In any case, you appear to be a simple-minded attack troll with nothing original to say. Like many others on this board, I guess I’ll just ignore you. You and Laffy can enjoy your own circle jerks. Last response to you…seeya.
Report thisBy ardee, August 31, 2011 at 5:04 am Link to this comment
Dear entropy,
less sighing more thoughtfulness.
I referred to libertarians because your own political statements are so very close to their own, obvious that. Allow me to repost the final sentence of my response to you:
The problem with your position, in my opinion, is that it is unique to you and, I fear, puts you in league with forces that take it much further than you appear to desire.
Report thisBy Project Mayhem, August 31, 2011 at 4:39 am Link to this comment
BLATHERING BUFFOON OF BLOVIATION
“Get used to it - given the nutters polluting the blogosphere with their nonsense, we are likely to remain in it for some time to come.”
Agreed. Blindly loyal idiots who apparently lack critical discernment of any sort—on the Right and the Left—are what got us here. You’re as guilty of this as the Tea Partiers you often whinge about. And your solution: Keep voting for more of the same.
INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY IN ACTION
“No wonder the Tea Party elected its Crazies into the HofR with this sort of bathos occurring in the political debate. We shot Obama in the foot at the midterms and now we blame him for the present political atrophy in LaLaLand on the Potomac?”
Wrong, as usual. The Democrats have no one to blame but themselves for the Midterms. The wages of failure AND of a perception of betrayal. Of course, dingbats like you will continue to deny the obvious, “blaming the victim” so to speak. But that’s what shills always do, isn’t it?
“Useless rhetoric to cloud the real debate of what needs to be done to get our country back on track.”
Your sad little list is Exhibit A. Misdirection and spin packaged as “progress”.
WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN?
“If this is all we can accomplish for political exchange at a crucial point in history, then we deserve the Deep Doodoo in which we find ourselves presently.”
You’re right again. If all we can do is continue to cling to corporate mediocrities, projecting upon them some un-reality that they are actually working on our behalf, then we are lost. You fail, as usual, to respond to any of the legitimate issues raised by posters like Ardee and myself, instead flying off on another of your fancies of misdirection. And I’ve already addressed the reason I continue to vote, despite the betrayals and hopelessness of true reform. But don’t worry about addressing any real issues, Lafayette, I know you can’t.
Eagerly awaiting your next round of delusional shilling and bleating bloviation-in-a-blog. We, the sheeple, indeed.
Report thisBy entropy2, August 31, 2011 at 3:59 am Link to this comment
@ardee
*sigh*—I thought we were talking about possible solutions for problems that our society faces. Instead of addressing several ideas that I offered, you fixate on the label “libertarian” (which I actually do not apply to myself). It’s exactly this myopic “us vs. them” attitude that poisons the problem solving process.
Report thisBy ardee, August 31, 2011 at 2:56 am Link to this comment
entropy2, August 30 at 6:19 pm
Fight? What fight? I am asking only for a clarification of your position. I do know that Libertarian politics does not support any entitlements for our citizens,none at all. It certainly frees corporations to commit all the selfish, destructive and greedy acts they wish.
The problem with your position, in my opinion, is that it is unique to you and, I fear, puts you in league with forces that take it much further than you appear to desire.
Report thisBy ardee, August 31, 2011 at 2:51 am Link to this comment
Oh dear Lafayette you have exposed far, far too much:
So what? Since when your precious concern for justice done to people who were combatants?
Lie, blatant lie. The great majority of those detained were not captured on battlefields but were turned in for monetary gain, to settle old feuds or other spurious reasoning. This is about as right wing an argument as one might find from a supposed democrat. This also strengthens my position that voting for and with democrats is counter productive.
Let’s fix the immoral injustice of Income Inequality in America before we go ballistic over Gitmo. Most of them have never been so well fed in all their pathetic lives.
What a stupid comment, what else can be said? All injustice is of equal importance, Gitmo is a violation of human rights and worthy of the attention of all people with an actual conscience. I guess you were absent when those were handed out.
Would you like to have one as neighbor? We can’t even give them away, nobody wants them.
Politeness keeps me from telling you exactly what I think of this crap you spew…..oops.
Report thisBy Awi, August 31, 2011 at 2:45 am Link to this comment
Only in Washington is the subject of job’s about reelection; everywhere else, it’s about survival. People are important, not the electability of a president. No amount of propaganda from the chattering class will change that. I’m growing weary of reading the same thing over and over from the same tired retreads. Find some new voices who are in touch with the people.
Report thisBy Lafayette, August 30, 2011 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment
THE LOTUS EATERS
Ah ha, finally! Someone with a sense of candor ... instead of the usual Tired Pathos evoked here.
The traffic pile-up is generational, I suspect. We have bred a Lotus Eater Generation that is accustomed to an Easy-Come Lifestyle. They are consequently numbed and lost in the reality of a pernicious recession that should not have been.
I suspect, furthermore, that most of America is unaware of the fundamental Economic Paradigm Shift that has occurred, that is, from the Industrial to the Information Age during a period of extensive economic globalization. Which is somewhat akin to the disappearance of the Roman Empire that brought about a disruption in political circumstances in Europe. (It also provoked the debut of the Dark Ages in the 5th century.)
Which is shameful. As a nation, given our educational achievement, we should know better.
POST SCRIPTUM
George Santayana:
Report thisBy Lafayette, August 30, 2011 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment
RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION
So what? Since when your precious concern for justice done to people who were combatants?
Let’s fix the immoral injustice of Income Inequality in America before we go ballistic over Gitmo. Most of them have never been so well fed in all their pathetic lives.
Would you like to have one as neighbor? We can’t even give them away, nobody wants them.
Right, bet. Because that is about all you can do with baseless suppositions.
You’re just one of the Angry Mass who set their hopes too high in a country ridden with nostalgia for the “good ole days” but with a political naiveness that is unreal.
Americans were so indifferent to midterm elections that they could stay away in droves ... but, Wow!, here they are now all over the blogs with righteous indignation. Explain that mysterious metamorphosis, please.
MY POINT
That is NOT how a democracy works. In fact, it’s a prime example of democratic dysfunction.
Report thisBy Lafayette, August 30, 2011 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment
NATTERING NABOBS OF NEGATIVISM
Blah, blah, blah, blah. Is this all you have in your quiver?
Useless rhetoric to cloud the real debate of what needs to be done to get our country back on track.
I’ve pitched suggestions numerous times and all I get in return is the same tedious rhetoric. Obama this an Obama that. Obama should have done this and Obama should have done that.
No wonder the Tea Party elected its Crazies into the HofR with this sort of bathos occurring in the political debate. We shot Obama in the foot at the midterms and now we blame him for the present political atrophy in LaLaLand on the Potomac?
What planet do you live on?
If this is all we can accomplish for political exchange at a crucial point in history, then we deserve the Deep Doodoo in which we find ourselves presently.
Get used to it - given the nutters polluting the blogosphere with their nonsense, we are likely to remain in it for some time to come.
Report thisBy entropy2, August 30, 2011 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment
@ardee—well…by ending corporate welfare, more resources would be available to help those truly in need. By deregulating micro-business, there would be fewer needy that would require assistance AND stronger communities that would trade their unhealthy dependence on corporate daddy and government mommy for local interdependence. If workers had the choice of working for themselves (or forming co-ops, associations, etc.), wages would naturally go up even for those who chose to work for others.
Seriously…I don’t want to fight and I don’t claim to have every answer. I just think that we need to look beyond a centralized, “one size fits all” approach to every issue. (And, personally, I think it would be loads of fun to shove the term “free market” squarely up the a** of the plutocracy.)
btw—this isn’t “pie in the sky” utopianism. Google “Mondragon Corporation.”
Report thisBy ardee, August 30, 2011 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment
entropy2, August 30 at 4:34 pm
..and your thoughts on welfare for the poor, free school lunches for the hungry kids, health care for those without?
Lafayette
I admit that I couldn’t get through that list. As I read I remembered all those lawyers attempting to gain access to Guantanamo detainees and were absolutely shocked that the Obama Justice Dept echoed that of Bushs’. Then I recalled all the comments that noted that the Obama administration is actually MORE secretive that was the Bush reign.
If I had the stomach for it I would bet that research would disclose the emptiness of most of the items therein. But all I need to do is read the headlines ( actually I listen to NPR for my news, with some Pacifica radio thrown in for spice).
If even a small number of those utopian and sketchy “accomplishments” were actually a reality we would not be in the descending spiral towards third world status we now find ourselves.
Report thisBy entropy2, August 30, 2011 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment
@mrfreeze—thank you
I just think that there are a lot of skills, resources, creativity and energy (the last, albeit, perhaps borne of desperation) out here among the working class. We don’t need redistribution of wealth...we need redistribution of power and opportunity.
That takes trusting us proles…something the liberal establishment has a hard time doing.
Report thisBy Project Mayhem, August 30, 2011 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment
Freeze,
The ideas are there. Have been for ages. Folks like Stiglitz and Krugman and Reich have been talking about them for ages. Hell, if we lived in a democracy you might even get a chance to see them put into practice.
Report thisBy mrfreeze, August 30, 2011 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment
entropy2 - Thanks for your comment. Interesting ideas. I’m sick and tired of hearing everyone complain. I’d like to hear more ideas on how to solve our problems.
Report thisBy entropy2, August 30, 2011 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment
@mrfreeze
“What ideas do you all have to create the demand that will ignite significant job creation?”
End welfare and deregulate business.
Hold the brickbats and stay with me for a minute.
End welfare FROM THE TOP DOWN.—- No more giveaways to big business. Subsidies, taxes, free (taxpayer-funded) infrastructure, artificial monopolies…everything needs to be laid out on the table.
Deregulate business FROM THE BOTTOM UP.—- Ease up on zoning, code and licensing for micro-businesses. Many government regulations were *intended* (I’m being charitable) ostensibly to protect consumers from big business. Instead, they have been hijacked by big business to cartelize industry and commerce into the hands of the few.
The result would be that big business would have to compete BOTH for customers AND for workers.
Report thisBy Baxter W., August 30, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment
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Eugene, I like you as an individual, but you are giving the President advice he should have gotten and followed on his first day in office. There is absolutely no reason to believe he is going to go through a total personality change now, and go “Big” all of a sudden. He campaigned “Big” in 2008, but has consistently governed “small”. That is the reason for the “Big Disillusionment” in his presidency.
Report thisBy Robespierre115, August 30, 2011 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment
Eugene’s just a corporate clown who writes what he gets paid to write and blab on MSNBC. Obama in his book made it clear he’s a Friedman disciple, he’s not going to be FDR because FDR is too radical for him. He’s praised Reagan more than FDR. Just go collect your check and keep writing your b.s. Eugene, I honestly don’t know who reads it and takes it to heart.
Report thisBy mrfreeze, August 30, 2011 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment
1 observation and 1 sincere question:
Observation: Job creation has been presented as something that happens when “job creators” (what a bullshit, worthelss term) feel “confident” about the marketplace and they hire new people…I’ve heard some of the brigher folk out there point out that job creation is a result of “demand” and that, simply put, our economic system has come to the end of it’s ability to create demand. The other sad fact is that Americans are discovering that their personal credit card limit has been reached and their wealth has dwindled…..this doesn’t help demand.
So now for the question:
What ideas do you all have to create the demand that will ignite significant job creation? I’m sincerely interested in hearing what some of you have to say.
Report thisBy Big B, August 30, 2011 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment
Methinks I smell more tax holiday’s and de-regulation coming down the pike. Wow, never get tired of those ideas.
Barry’s re-election strategy seems to be “vote for me, I am the most reasonable conservative candidate (that isn’t a mormon)”
Where are we going, and why am I in this handbag?
Report thisBy joell, August 30, 2011 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment
More political masturbation from Eugene Robinson.
Eugene, you’re one of the “Trolls” Chris Hedges was referring to in his article.
Report thisBy Project Mayhem, August 30, 2011 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment
However unfortunate it might seem to some, it should come as no surprise that the US is in decline. It seems the fate of all empires to overextend themselves militarily, bloat themselves with bureaucracy and corruption, and be subverted from within and without by emergent foreign powers. The historical precedent is fairly obvious, and “end of history” narratives only obfuscate this essential truth. What problematizes the decline of the imperial United States is the amount of economic and environmental damage it might do on its way out. Will the decline of this empire be catatrosphic, in the fashion of Rome, or will it manage a more quiet and orderly reinvention of itself on a smaller scale, like England in the last century? It seems to me that this might be the most important reason to continue to participate in the charade of “democracy”. Obama, corruption aside, may at least possess the intellect and good sense to steer the country away from pyrrhic self-immolation, instead bleeding the empire out slowly over time. Perhaps if the country is fortunate enough to have several “steward” type corporatist presidents in the White House it might eventually be reduced enough in power to be safely controlled/handled by more rational world players. It’s a small hope, but possibly better than the specter of yet more “blood & treasure” adventurism in a doomed effort to claw back to the top of the pile.
Report thisBy Marian Griffith, August 30, 2011 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment
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@Lafayette
—-Next time, perhaps we’ll think twice before being overcome by a fit of pique and staying away from midterm polling booths? Nahhhhhhh ...—-
That would indeed be exceedingly optimistic. Especially considering that 90pct of the respondents here seem to feel it is a good idea to not vote at all, or vote republican, to teach Obama a lesson. (and that the voters have worked hard the past several decades to ensure that no president has a majority in house and senate for long, if at all)
It is interesting to see the country slowly self-immolate. In a traffic pile-up kind of way.
Report thisBy prisnersdilema, August 30, 2011 at 11:03 am Link to this comment
Oh come on now Laffy… your saying that President Obama shouldn’t have to do his job because it’s just too hard….
Boo hoo, Boo Hoo…
Isn’t that what he promised, to come up with real solutions? Isn’t it..
and you want bloggers to come up with his answers for him…
quite frankly I don’t think that’s the issue..
Maybe if OJama hadn’t been so busy, hiring the corporate elite to fill his adminstation, he wouldn’t have a problem coming up with some answers….
Report thisBy Project Mayhem, August 30, 2011 at 10:37 am Link to this comment
Lafayette,
Returning to form, eh? Your list of “accomplishments” is dull and misleading and is more than offset by the failures and betrayals of the Obama admin, beginning certainly with the appointment of financial sector toadies Geithner and Summers. Listing as an accomplishment the “reform” of the financial sector is a hollow joke when you know full well that absolutely nothing on Wall Street has changed. Follow on the heels of this the miserly joke that was the stimulus package and the escalation of adventurism in Afghanistan and elsewhere, and we begin to see a true image of the man at the reigns. This is not to mention the reauthorization (with a few new teeth added) of the Patriot Act, the teeth-gnashing rage over Wikileak’s disclosure of criminal action by the military (transparency, indeed), and the further devolution of democratic education under the auspices of Race to the Top “reforms”. Accomplishments? Laughable. Then there are the Obama sellouts of single payer and the Employee Free Choice Act. I’d suggest that you’re the one doing the navel gazing, Layfayette. That or you’re just intellectually dishonest—a quality that would certainly put you in the company of the PotUS.
Report thisBy John Sullivan, August 30, 2011 at 10:21 am Link to this comment
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Let’s see: should I vote for the Green Party candidate, or cross my fingers and hope the president magically transforms into a legitimate progressive?
Report thisBy Lafayette, August 30, 2011 at 9:25 am Link to this comment
FONT OF WISDOM
OK, Font of Wisdom, what would you have done if the you were gifted by the preceding administration the worst recession in 80 years and we, the sheeple, had elected the Tea Party Crazies in the HofR last year and stonewalled all propositions for renewal?
What would you do today, in Obama’s shoes, in the present circumstance knowing you’re up for reelection next year?
C’mon, let’s see what you’ve got for arrows in your quiver.
MY POINT
It’s easy to bitch-in-a-blog. Which is why everybody’s doing it. But when it comes to making concrete proposals - ooppps!, no hands up to make a proposition.
POST SCRIPTUM
Btw, here is what he actually accomplished whilst blowhards were absorbed with navel gazing.
Report thisBy AlexNYC, August 30, 2011 at 8:48 am Link to this comment
Mr Robinson you have much more faith in the ability or willingness of Obama to make a 180 degree turn so far into his presidency. After almost 3 years of being just another corporatist president, Obama is simply shifting to his campaign-mode persona by claiming that his main priority is job creation. At least with George W Bush you knew what he stood for, with Obama there is nothing genuine about him. And should he happen to get re-elected, he’ll go right back to furthering the agenda for the richest 1%. PProgressives voted Obama because we believed, or wanted to believe, his hope and change rhetoric. Empty campaign promises are nothing new, but Obama’s sting hard because after years 8 years Bush, the nation needed a change desperately. Sadly we got more of the same instead.
Report thisBy AlexNYC, August 30, 2011 at 8:48 am Link to this comment
Mr Robinson you have much more faith in the ability or willingness of Obama to make a 180 degree turn so far into his presidency. After almost 3 years of being just another corporatist president, Obama is simply shifting to his campaign-mode persona by claiming that his main priority is job creation. At least with George W Bush you knew what he stood for, with Obama there is nothing genuine about him. And should he happen to get re-elected, he’ll go right back to furthering the agenda for the richest 1%. PProgressives voted Obama because we believed, or wanted to believe, his hope and change rhetoric. Empty campaign promises are nothing new, but Obama’s sting hard because after years 8 years Bush, the nation needed a change desperately. Sandly we got more of the same instead.
Report thisBy Lafayette, August 30, 2011 at 8:28 am Link to this comment
REPUBLICAN AXIOM
ER is going to see that wish-come-true.
Given that there will be NO TAX INCREASES, unless the Crazies leave the HofR in droves, there will be no money for a Jobs Plan2. (We’ve already had JP1).
We’ll be lucky if we can get to keep the present level of spending, never mind any new money for Stimulus Spending.
Let’s remember the now famous Republican Axiom: A Minor Recession is when you are out of job, and a Major Recession is when I am out of a job. The Replicants in Congress all have jobs, so they think this is just a passing economic down-turn.
The Crazies will stonewall the SuperCommittee, just as they stonewalled Obama before the agreement was negotiated to set it up.
So, anyone who thinks a meaningful Jobs Plan is in the making is smoking pot.
The gridlock in LaLaLand on the Potomac; which we, the sheeple, brought about at the midterms will last until we, the sheeple, also put an end to it in November of 2012.
Next time, perhaps we’ll think twice before being overcome by a fit of pique and staying away from midterm polling booths? Nahhhhhhh ...
Report thisBy A Bird in the Hand, August 30, 2011 at 7:05 am Link to this comment
The US economy now resides offshore..And why in the world would anyone want to re elect this FOOL?!
Scroll down and read the excellent post by ‘madisolation’..
Report thisBy who'syourdebs, August 30, 2011 at 6:54 am Link to this comment
Ah, Eugene, you’re dreaming again. Face it—an FDR he ain’t, and will never be. He won’t even tout his own achievements, such as they are. His fellow Democrats seldom take his back on any issue, on top of being almost totally disfunctional on the national level. Stand up for something for god’s sake! The Republicans do, even if it’s reactionary, nonsensical, and probably evil. Obama might go through the motions, but in the end he’ll fold on jobs, rather than calling out the GOP as the neo-slaveholders they aspire to be. If I were he, I’d rail about the corrupt party that is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the ruling class till the cows come home. The media would start slavering over the fight and print every word. All the time we wasted believing him—it’s just sad. What we really need is an army of the unemployed down at the White House, next to the Tar Sands protesters.
Report thisBy madisolation, August 30, 2011 at 4:58 am Link to this comment
Obama’s going to go big, all right—for the corporations. His idea of a “jobs plan” is signing trade deals that offshore jobs. He simply doesn’t care about U.S. workers, and if people think four more years of this country-destroying, short-term-thinking, greedy oaf are going to be better than the last four years, they’re either delusional or as rich as Eugene Robinson.
Report thisHow does it feel, Eugene, to be a stenographer shilling for a corporate-friendly president, all the knowing that black unemployment is at 17.5% and 41% for black teen-agers? You two are nothing but a couple of jokes, both to the people of the country and to the wealthy. Lloyd Blankfein’s calling, Eugene: he wants you to kiss Obama’s ass, and he wants Obama to kiss his.
By Project Mayhem, August 30, 2011 at 4:50 am Link to this comment
Bollocks, Eugene. An extension of the payroll tax break seasoned with the usual metaphorical canard about cars in ditches is about the best we can expect from the Fop-in-Chief. And you know it. After all, America is doing just swell in the only sector that matters.
Report thisBy ardee, August 30, 2011 at 4:39 am Link to this comment
Oh Eugene, hanging your hat on yet another promise from the king of unfulfilled promises. Will you never learn? Does the simple fact that Obama has surrounded himself with those whose roots are firmly imbedded in the very business philosophy and venality that has led us to an outsourced industry ( yes it began under Reagan but Obama must share the blame now), a crashing jobs forecast and about one and one half million foreclosures with another million or so impending and in the pipeline not register at all with you?
Do you honestly believe that the dissatisfaction with Obama is confined to economics? Granted, that is a large part of what concerns working and middle class families, but the issues of perpetual war, the allowance of criminality towards those who contribute a large enough campaign check, the constant and wretched capitulation to precisely those who work diligently for his failure and his refusal to honor his endless and endlessly forgotten promises certainly remain in the minds of many voters.
Even his staunchest supporters in ‘08 are disappearing, the youth and the African American community, who , according to reports on NPR, are very unhappy with his seeming refusal to help them at all.
Will he be re-elected? Probably, considering both the advantage an incumbent retains and the lack of quality ( perhaps even sanity) among those who are battling to oppose him in the coming election. Will his re-election bring any more hope to progressives? I doubt it very much.
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