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Posted on Mar 15, 2010
AP / Muhammed Muheisen

Israeli soldiers take position next to the highly controversial security barrier, which has been used, critics say, to seize Palestinian land and manipulate the population.

By Chris Hedges

The Israeli government, its brutal war crimes in Gaza exposed in detail in the U.N. report by Justice Richard Goldstone, has implemented a series of draconian measures to silence and discredit dissidents, leading intellectuals and human rights organizations inside and outside Israel that are accused—often falsely—of assisting Goldstone’s U.N. investigators. The government of Benjamin Netanyahu is attempting to shut down Israel’s premier human rights organizations, including B’Tselem, the New Israel Fund (NIF) and the Association for Civil Rights in Israel. It is busy expelling or excluding peace activists and foreign nationals from the Palestinian territories. The campaign, if left unchecked, will be as catastrophic for Palestinians as it will be for Israel.

The Goldstone report, which is over 500 pages, investigated Israel’s 22-day air and ground assault on Gaza that took place from Dec. 27, 2008, to Jan. 18, 2009. The United Nations and the European Parliament have endorsed the report. The report found that Israel used disproportionate military force against Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip while failing to take adequate precautions to protect the civilian population against the military assault. The Israeli attack killed 1,434 people, including 960 civilians, according to the Palestinian Center for Human Rights. More than 6,000 homes were destroyed or damaged, leaving behind some $3 billion in destruction in one of the poorest areas on Earth. No Israelis were killed by Hamas rockets fired into Israel during the assault. The report did not limit itself to the 22-day attack; rather, it went on to indict the occupation itself. It examines the beginning of the occupation and condemns Israel for the border closures, the blockade and for the wall or security barrier in the West Bank. It has two references to the right of return, investigates Israeli torture and criticizes the willful destruction of the Palestinian economy.


“The impact of the Goldstone report is tremendous,” the Middle East scholar Norman Finkelstein said when I reached him in New York. “It marks and catalyzes the breakup of the Diaspora Jewish support for Israel because Goldstone is the classical Diaspora Jew. He is a lawyer and upholder of human rights and a liberal. He has distinguished himself in the field of law and he is also a lover of Zion. He calls himself a Zionist. His mother was an activist in the Zionist movement. His daughter did aliyah. He sits on the board of governors of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. He has an honorary degree from the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. He has said over and over again that he is a Zionist. He believes Jews have a right to a state in Palestine. His is a mostly emblematic profile of the classically liberal Jew.”

Liberal has a distinct connotation,” Finkelstein went on. “It means to believe in the rule of law. It means to believe in international institutions. It means to believe in human rights. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are liberal organizations. What the Goldstone phenomenon registers and catalyzes is the fact that it is impossible to reconcile liberal convictions with Israel’s conduct; too much is now known about the history of the conflict and the human rights record and the so-called peace process. It is impossible to be both liberal and defend Israeli policy. That was the conflict that confronted Goldstone. I very much doubt he wanted to condemn Israel.”

“Israeli liberalism always had a function in Israeli society,” said Finkelstein, whose new book, “This Time We Went Too Far,” examines the Israeli attack a year ago on Gaza. “When I talk about liberals I mean people like A.B. Yehoshua, David Grossman and Amos Oz. Their function was to issue these anguished criticisms of Israel which not only extenuated Israeli crimes but exalted Israeli crimes. ‘Isn’t it beautiful, the Israeli soul, how it is anguished over what it has done.’ It is the classic case of having your cake and eating it. Not only were any crimes being committed extenuated, but they were beautiful. And now something strange happened. Along comes a Jewish liberal and he says, ‘Spare me your tears. I am only interested in the law.’ ”

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“Goldstone did not perform the role of the Jewish liberal,” Finkelstein said, “which is to be anguished, but no consequences. And all of a sudden Israeli liberal Jews are discovering, hey, there are consequences for committing war crimes. You don’t just get to walk into the sunset and look beautiful. They can’t believe it. They are genuinely shocked. ‘Aren’t our tears consequences enough?’ Aren’t our long eyes and broken hearts consequences enough?’ ‘No,” he said, ‘you have to go to the criminal court.’ ”

The campaign against Israeli dissidents has taken the form of venomous denunciations of activists and jurists, including Justice Goldstone. It includes a bill before the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, which will make it possible to imprison the leaders of Israeli human rights groups if they fail to comply with crippling new registration conditions. Human rights activists from outside Israel who work in the Palestinian territories are being rounded up and deported. The government is refusing to issue work visas to employees of 150 NGOs operating in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, including Oxfam, Save the Children and Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders). The new tourist visas effectively bar these employees from Palestinian territory under Israeli occupation. Professor Naomi Chazan, the Israeli head of the NIF, which has donors in the United States, is being publicly vilified by ultranationalist groups such as Im Tirzu.  Foreign donors to the NIF, as well as other human rights groups, are being pressured by Israeli officials to halt contributions. Billboards have sprouted up around Tel Aviv and Jerusalem with a grotesque caricature of Chazan, who has been branded by groups such as Im Tirzu as an agent for Hamas and Iran, with a horn growing from her forehead. “Naomi-Goldstone-Chazan” the caption on the billboard reads. Im Tirzu, the front organization behind many of the attacks, includes among its financial backers the John Hagee Ministries and the New York Central Fund, which also support extremist settler organizations.


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By Shenonymous, April 20, 2010 at 12:47 am Link to this comment

“ole” hypocrite!  omop, what is an ole hypocrite?  I admit to being
a hypocrite, I try to be the best hypocrite there is!  But an ole
hypocrite? You’ve got me mixed up with someone else. Uh, make that
about 5’7.  I tower over Leefeller’s admitted 3 ft. and I’m a twig
compared to his also admitted 300 lbs.  Just to give you some
reference point.  I don’t really know him but if we ever walked together
it would be like seeing a ball and a stick!  I’d be the one with the
flaming red hair and stiletto heels.  Olé! 

Plain anti-Semites will do, omop.  Keep it simple stupid.  You cannot
think for a nanosecond that I care what you or bosom buddy Robert
think in your septic minds about moi. 

Do try to get your hands on the journal “Signs,” volume 3, No. 2, Winter
1977, pages 389-394, “The Female Monster in Augustan Satire” by
Susan Gubar.  You do read don’t you?

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By omop, April 19, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

30 million babies vaccinated with a pig virus”

  Is not pig forbidden to the chosen few?

  And are not all those who make vaccines from the “chosen few”?

  And are not all vaccines creators winners of Nobel Prizes”

  That 30 million does not include the one million babirs born in the USA.

  Could all this be propaganda by {yech] Muslims or Nazis, or just plain anti=semites?

  http://www.nafwa.org/general-nutrition-topics/85-alternate-
nutrition/8891-the-fda-shuts-down-common-infant-vaccine-after-
startling-discovery.html

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By omop, April 19, 2010 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

Shenonymouse proclaimed.

  “And to omop, here’s my venerable middle finger.”

    By stretching your middle finger up She..That will make you what 5’ 2” or
    5’ 2.5”?

    Agree with Robert.  You are an ole hypocrite

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By Robert, April 18, 2010 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

By Shenonymous, April 18 at 11:30 pm #

Why Robert you have once again descended into the dark decompositions
of your rotted brain.  Too bad.  You revealed you are incapable of being
challenged and have slithered into the badmouthed degenerate once
again.  You had some resemblance to a human there for a while.  Fooled
us didn’t you?!  My horse is 10 feet tall.  It is very high I assure you.  I’ve
left horseshit all over the place on TD it is true, but only in the deserved
presence of sordid folks like yourself.  hahahaha

=========

Just look at who is talking about a “badmouthed”!

You are such a damn ole hypocrite & a “phony conscience” fool. Your 3 foot high pony is deep in 10 foot high horseshit.

You are not fooling anyone here…I can assure you that. You have NO conscience, if you had any, you would be a better person.

So enough with your stench!

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By Shenonymous, April 18, 2010 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

Why Robert you have once again descended into the dark decompositions
of your rotted brain.  Too bad.  You revealed you are incapable of being
challenged and have slithered into the badmouthed degenerate once
again.  You had some resemblance to a human there for a while.  Fooled
us didn’t you?!  My horse is 10 feet tall.  It is very high I assure you.  I’ve
left horseshit all over the place on TD it is true, but only in the deserved
presence of sordid folks like yourself.  hahahaha

And to omop, here’s my venerable middle finger.  Get a grip.

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By Robert, April 18, 2010 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

By Shenonymous, April 18 at 8:17 pm #

Again Robert, what would I do without you?  You’ve made yourself my
conscious conscience!

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That ole shenon has a conscience…Hmmm? Its time to get off that “phony conscience” 3 foot high pony! Your deceptions & lies are scattered on many of TD’s threads…enough with your crap.


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By Leefeller, April 18 at 8:23 pm #

“This must be the most exciting discovery Robert has had in a long time, since he discovered his navel!”

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That semi-redneck, weefeller, wipes his navel when he gets done with the “little boys bathroom”. He can’t seem to tell the difference between his ass**** from his navel. LOL!

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By omop, April 18, 2010 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

Walking orders of LSl,GRYM, Shenonnnn, and all around sympathicos to
vaccine makers as well as naturelllemnt non -peesers.

http://www.aipac.org/Publications/AIPACAnalysesMemos/AIPAC_Memo_-
_Crippling_Sanctions_Needed_to_Prevent_Nuclear_Iran.pdf.

Just do eet.

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By Leefeller, April 18, 2010 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

This must be the most exciting discovery Robert has had in a long time, since he discovered his navel!

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By Shenonymous, April 18, 2010 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

Again Robert, what would I do without you?  You’ve made yourself my
conscious conscience!  I’m glad someone is doing it or I could run
amuk.  LOL   You make scrappy note of a couple of others who
mentions the vaccines that Jews notably invent.  The net widens.  If you
read my post at 5:51pm today, April 18, you would have seen that you
were absolved of being first on the 15th!  But if you need it said again,

Hark, everyone, it was not Robert!  He was not first, he only added
ancillary comments.  He is here absolved!

I don’t mind the quibbling, it is sort of fun, like what competitive
siblings do.  I’m a spoiled only child but I have experience with a lot of
cousins who go to the wall over the smallest things.  Looks like LSL
was first at 5:12pm to mention the Jews’ talent at vaccine creation and
goes over the edge in his defensive ugly remarks to omop, then Shingo
brings up the ringworm incident at 5:47pm to slash and denigrate the
enormous good Israel science has produced.  Just as an aside…Can
you tell me what country in the Arab world contributes to the good of
the world that way?
 

Then at 6:58pm omop returns attack with some obnoxious comment
about Jews and their vaccines as well as his sleazy tabloid report of sex
with children business (which had been brought up much earlier by
PatarickHennerie).

I mean, pissing contest?  Well yeah.  I just put a caption on it.  It is
Israel’s contribution to the world of health that I briefly made note of at
7:05pm, just to set the balance having had acknowledged their
involvement with the ringworm incident which had been vetted pretty
good.  Seems to me the topic of vaccines which has sunk into pathetic
trivial pettiness ought to be let go, maybe you can convince omop?? 
He seems to be constipated with it and marriage to 3-year old Jewish
girls.  Good grief.  Do we have to pull all the scuzzie stuff out of the
pig swamp?  It could get really stinky messy.  But then, maybe there
are those who like stinky messy?

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By Robert, April 18, 2010 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

Shenon…what about these with your post at 7:05 PM below included? These were way before my 7:53 PM post! Hmmm…who brought the topic(s) up? I was one of the last ones and certainly NOT the first.

Another one of those moments…for your status!

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By Liquor Store Larry, April 15 at 5:12 pm #

“People like you should be denied the vaccines that Jews invent so that when illegal aliens bring diseases back into the country that were all but eradicated and are not responsive to anti biotics you shrivel up and croak. Wait a minute, you already shriveled up, all you have to do is croak!”

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By omop, April 15 at 6:58 pm #


“Following some reearch found that your people, and I say ”
your” since you obiously are not a Mexican but align yourself with the Jews that invented vaccines.”

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By Shenonymous, April 15 at 7:05 pm #


“Israel has a record of providing vaccines for devastating diseases of
humans as well as for carp.  So humans and fish get to live that
otherwise would not.”

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By Shenonymous, April 18, 2010 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

My gushing apologies, Robert, it was the ggrrrrreaatttt Shiiinnnnngo
who first mentioned it April 15, 5:47pm.  Yeah, an Alzheimer moment,
you are right.  Have to have my blueberry juice to remember to go back
far enough for the trooth. 

But you and elisalouisa echoed it. Do you remember that?
 
Robert April 15, 10:47 pm - providing the youtube videos 1 of 5 to the
movie, do you remember?

Robert April 15, 7:53pm and how about this one where you advertised
that it can be purchased, do you remember this one? hahahaha

elisalouisa April 15 7:28pm a 2-parter maybe a published review?  I
don’t know but it was sort of comprehensive. 

Shingo April 5:47 pm - “Yeah sure, like that brilliant experiment on the
ringworm children, LSL?”

Maybe you could let omopsie know?  I’d appreciate it.

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By Robert, April 18, 2010 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

By Shenonymous, April 18 at 2:25 pm #

“You must be reminded omopsie that the topic of vaccines and
ringworm was brought up by your bosom brethren, Robert, in case you
have another Alzheimer’s moment, at April 15, 10:47 pm.”

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You are wrong Shenon. I was NOT the one who brought the ringworm/vaccines topic up.

Check it out for yourself…it must be one of your “Alzeimeir’s moments” ... Again!

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By omop, April 18, 2010 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

This might interest anybody even bombastic Shrn.

  http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-17009-Freethought-
Examiner~y2010m4d13-Source-of-Bible-Covenant-with-God-discovered

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By Shenonymous, April 18, 2010 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

It is quite curious how schizoid omop shows himself to be.  One minute
he is decidedly defending Israel the next he is denigrating it.  Hmmm
one of those I-love-myself-I-hate-myself Jews?  Maybe.  Does it seem
like I’m worried at your pissing yourself omop.  Hell no, it is a hoot to
watch you consistently slip around on the forum floor.  If you are
involved in a pissing contest it is you pissing against yourself.  Whoa…. 
And why is it you keep trying to moon everyone.  Well, Leefeller and
myself that is f’sure.  Pull your pants up, please.  You are obscene. 
Your buns are as fat as your head, or visa versa, it is hard to tell which. 
You must be reminded omopsie that the topic of vaccines and
ringworm was brought up by your bosom brethren, Robert, in case you
have another Alzheimer’s moment, at April 15, 10:47 pm. 

Yup, them crazy Jews that keep seeing the sun come up in the East,
they did think they were chosen by God.  God?  Now which God is
God?  Theirs or, or, or,... whose?  If it is only their God, then does it
matter?  My god it is sooo confusing and omop’s adventure at writing
something cogent is a failure as well.

My flock?  How perfectly charming.  I never realized, but then of
course, it must have been from my thorough deification that has taken
place on this forum.  Please learn how to bow and curtsy and practice
frequently to obtain the proper attitude, I will be holding court soon.  I
will send out invitations. 
 
It now looks like omop who is experiencing a dearth of anything
important to talk about is wanting a food fight between holy books. 
How funny.  Well there are a number of us who knows the Bible and
the Qu’ran.  And if you are looking for racist remarks, mannnnn you
could turn this entire forum into a bloodbath. 

Here is a joke for you to get things started: 
“Moishe, have you lost your mind? Why are you reading an Arab
newspaper?” Moishe replied, “I used to read the Jewish newspaper, but
what did I find? Jews being persecuted, Israel being attacked, Jews
disappearing through assimilation and intermarriage, Jews living in
poverty. So I switched to the Arab newspaper. Now what do I find? Jews
own all the banks, Jews control the media, Jews are all rich and
powerful, Jews rule the world. The news is so much better!”

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By Leefeller, April 16, 2010 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

Well Omop I stand corrected, you aren’t that funny, you would drag Larry down on stage.

Maybe if Omop learned how to articulate better?  Omop writing with an accent is amusing for a time, but has extensive use, been known to cause animosity, believe it has something to do with communication skills and all that.

It is obviously my fault, because I am deaf in one ear and cannot hear out of the other.

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By omop, April 16, 2010 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

Poor Lil Feller.

Uunable to choose between one or two hump camels.
And gal Sat. Shenonymouse worried about all the pissing and moaning while
watching Little Lee drink hisself into a stupor before doing his bit on TD,

My neighbor’s two dummies, remember them Lee, Beeg Boid and Jim the
Moron, want your email . Think your routine will work in Branson City. They’re
still splitting a gut 6 ours after reading your omop/larry or larry/omop routine

You guys are hysterical. So is this old video i got laying around. Unable to show
you the video but here’s the audio part

” Lesley Stahl interviewing Ms.Allbright on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: “We have
heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than
died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?”

Madeleine Albright’s reply: ” I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–WE
think the price is worth it.” CBS –60 Minutes (5/12/96).

Isn’t that answer a hoot something along the lines of

    “The difference between a Jewish soul and the souls of non-Jews—
all of them in all different levels—is greater and deeper than the difference
between a human soul and the souls of cattle.”

Get this Madeleine was quoted in an interviews as claiming that she did not
realise she was jewish until at the age of 16 she saw her dad sans underwear.
Is that a coincidence or is that only experience felt by “special people”.

Did not the press recently refer to a school distirct banning a book by another
16 year called Anne xxxxx. for mentioning apéndices humanos?

As a Tequila bon vivant undecided on whther you’d rest easy on one or two
humps translating the last two words in the above sentence should come easy
to you.

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By Leefeller, April 16, 2010 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

Yeah!

Larry and Omop, can I be yose guys agent, have been looking into acquiring a real camel (one hump or two?) already have a stuffed one and have access to a warehouse full of empty Tequila bottles. (been waiting for the price to go up) 

How does Saturday Night Live sound?

Omop and Larry?  No,.... Larry and Omop?.... Well for now a stage name does not matter,... itel….. come to me after a few more Tequilas.

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By Robert, April 16, 2010 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

“So what now is left of the point?  That one time in Israel’s history a
hundred thousand were radiated when the technology was poor at best.
There is no way to assess the motivations from events as far back as
1951.”

There is a sharp division between Ashkenazic Jews and Sephardic Jews. Most Ashkenazic Jews, in Israel, look down upon Sephardic Jews and treat them as second-class citizens. In Israel, it is frowned upon for an Ashkenazic Jew to marry a Sephardic Jew.

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“The majority of the victims were Moroccan because they were the most numerous of the Sephardi immigrants. The generation that was poisoned became the country’s perpetual poor and criminal class. It didn’t make sense. The Moroccans who fled to France became prosperous and highly educated. The common explanation was that France got the rich, thus smart ones. The real explanation is that every French Moroccan child didn’t have his brain cells fried with gamma rays.

The film made it perfectly plain that this operation was no accident. The dangers of x-rays had been known for over forty years. We read the official guidelines for x-ray treatment in 1952. The maximum dose to be given a child in Israel was .5 rad. There was no mistake made. The children were deliberately poisoned.”


“David Deri makes the point that only Sephardi children received the x-rays: “I was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They asked our names. The Ashkenazi children were told to return to their seats. The dark children were put on the bus.”

“The film presents a historian who first gives a potted history of the eugenics movement. In a later sound bite, he declares that the ringworm operation was a eugenics program aimed at weeding out the perceived weak strains of society. The Moroccan lady is back on the screen. “It was a Holocaust, a Sephardi Holocaust. And what I want to know is why no one stood up to stop it.”

http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm

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By omop, April 16, 2010 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

To recapitulate as per Sheno and her flock.

  Chris Hedges commentary in TD on Israel Crackdown…..has turned into studies on vaccines, Nobel prize winners and all around saints, Ringworm children…..quotes from the Quran,.....Chronicles of Z….out of
context…..repetitious repeating…...

  Time to get back to substance:

  Explanations from Rabbi Menachen Schneerson, the “Lubovitcher Rebbe” who
headed the Chabad orthodox Jewish movement, and wielded great influence in
Israel as well as in the US,

          “The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems
from the common expression, `Let us differentiate.’

          Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a
person is merely on a superior level. Rather we have a case of `let us
differentiate’ between totally different species.

          This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish
person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations
of the world …

          A non-Jew’s entire reality is only vanity. It is written, `And the
strangers shall guard and feed your flocks’ (Isaiah 61:5).

          The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews
…”. Rabbi Kook the Elder, another influential and much revered Jewish leader,
expressed a similar view:

          “The difference between a Jewish soul and the souls of non-Jews—
all of them in all different levels—is greater and deeper than the difference
between a human soul and the souls of cattle.”

  The Quran and the Chronicles of Z were double chcked to ascertain whether
they agreed with such “racist” views.

  Will keep you all posted.

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By Shenonymous, April 15, 2010 at 10:38 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, the pissing contest continues.  Chamish wrote a review
August 19, 2004 (part of it seen in elisalouisa’s post) and featured in
Israelinsider, a daily newsmagazine, April 16, 2010, of the documentary
The Ringworm Children. The Chamish article in its entirety: 
http://web.israelinsider.com/Views/3998.htm.

NOTE:  Again, some of the url addresses have to be copy/pasted into
your browser to access because of TD’s limited line length.

Hardly hidden this business has had more attention than is being
implied and reported.

For an abstract of an academic paper on the treatment, which was more
than an experiment, see the reference found in the Wikipedia article on
the Ringworm Affair
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/1/7/
2/0/p117204_index.html
Injurious Medicine, Injurious Remedy: Public Health, Law, and Ringworm
Mass Irradiation in Israel

The Wikipedia article is an unruffled report of the entire matter. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringworm_affair

While the documentary is not offered free of charge any longer, several
youtube videos can be seen at
http://video.google.com/videosearch?
hl=en&q=The+Ringworm+Children:&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#
also 103 results at that sight for the subject.

So what now is left of the point?  That one time in Israel’s history a
hundred thousand were radiated when the technology was poor at best. 
There is no way to assess the motivations from events as far back as
1951.  There is no such thing as offsetting a medical travesty by other
beneficial medical advances.  But the fact remains that Israeli medical
research has produced more than much, a great deal of good in the
way of helping millions of humans against disease.  What kind of scale
is being suggested here by the combatants on this forum?  It is a
ridiculous argument at best.

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By omop, April 15, 2010 at 10:24 pm Link to this comment

LSL.

Exhibits the stereotypical reaction of all zionist jews. A selective amnesia by a
people who ceaselessly proclaim their “innocence” of any provocative acts.

Their ceasessly repetition of statements such as the following, “To kill a Jew or a
child makes God cry, for we are exterminating [in the Jew] the bearer of
universal ethics and innocence.”

Meaning everyone who is not a Jew is unethical and guilty. No Less.

With this mindset of absolute innocence Jews cannot conceive bearing any
responsibility for their atrocities. Jews are only victims, only “scapegoats” in an
evil and hostile world.

In other words the whole world is scapegoating those poor, innocent, victims.

Every non Jew is basically an sob. Hysterical is the word.

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By Shingo, April 15, 2010 at 8:03 pm Link to this comment

“Links? I got your links right here!

http://www.Shingo&OmapAreNazis;.Com”

A perfect example of the atrophying of Israel’s education system.

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By Liquor Store Larry, April 15, 2010 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

Links? I got your links right here!

http://www.Shingo&OmapAreNazis;.Com

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By Shingo, April 15, 2010 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

Looks like education is heading over a cliff in Israel.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1130099.html

“Only 44.4 percent of 17-year-olds in Israel were eligible for a matriculation certificate in 2008, according to statistics released by the Adva Center on Sunday.

Moreover, only 38.5 percent of those eligible passed the matriculation at a level that meets university-entrance requirements. The most troubling figure, however, was the 20 percent of students in 2008 who did not attend twelfth grade at all.”

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By Shingo, April 15, 2010 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment

“OMOP CAN COMPARE THIS to his Protocols of Zion:”

Stop lying Larry - or at least give it your best shot.

Omop challenged you to prove “If any of these statements are in the Protocols of Zion or noted in the Sanhedrin Talmud proof is required….links, links, links.”

So where tare those links LSL?

“In a world in which Jews number just 1/4 of 1% percent of the population Jews constitute almost one-fifth of all Nobel laureates.”

Awesome achievement, but irrelevant to Israel.  Most of those laureates refused to live in Israel.  The most famous of them, Albert Einstein, who opposed the idea of a Jewish State and refused to become Israel’s first President.

“It is ironic that this international recognition has rewarded Jewish accomplishment in the same century that witnessed pogroms, the Holocaust, and wars that killed millions for no other reason than that they were Jewish.

It’s both ironic and horribly tragic.

“Certainly the Nobel Prize was not awarded to Jews because they were entitled to it, were smarter or better educated than everyone else, or because they were typically over-represented in the six fields honored by the award.”

They were awarded to individuals who happened to be Jews. Of course, the sad reality is that Israel’s education standards are falling like a stone.  Not only are Israel’s students producing embarrassingly poor grades, but Israel is suffering a major brain drain as it’s skilled workers are leaving to work overseas, with little chance of them returning.

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By Liquor Store Larry, April 15, 2010 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

OMOP CAN COMPARE THIS to his Protocols of Zion:

In a world in which Jews number just 1/4 of 1% percent of the population Jews constitute almost one-fifth of all Nobel laureates.

It is ironic that this international recognition has rewarded Jewish accomplishment in the same century that witnessed pogroms, the Holocaust, and wars that killed millions for no other reason than that they were Jewish. Certainly the Nobel Prize was not awarded to Jews because they were entitled to it, were smarter or better educated than everyone else, or because they were typically over-represented in the six fields honored by the award.

AND THIS OF COURSE, IS WHAT REALLY MAKES PIP-SQUEEKS LIKE OMOP AND OTHER LOWER CREATURES OF HIS ILK FEEL SO SMALL AND INSIGNIFICANT. IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE!

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Taking things out of context seems business as usual here in hate land. Though I like Link TV, I would ask and use caution on who is doing the article and why?

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Hey weefeller…The Link TV program was NOT an “article”; it was a documentary film.

Here is the Link TV documentary for all to view. Videos 1 of 5:

The Ringworm Children 1 of 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nsOpLcSDFo&feature=related

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By Leefeller, April 15, 2010 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

As for the X ray machines, my doctor at the time died from using the damn things, this was during the early 1950’s. It would be interesting to see how many people working around the damn things had died or had problems?

Taking things out of context seems business as usual here in hate land. Though I like Link TV, I would ask and use caution on who is doing the article and why?

She is correct, in the 1950’s X ray machines were almost prevalent like computers are today, used with no knowledge of the potential hazards. Of course I am saying that because I like Israel.

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You really don’t need Sigmund Sheno. Its all over. Even the Rabbi’s admit it. Noy just I.

The Jewish sense of alienation from, and abiding distrust of, non-Jews is also
manifest in a remarkable essay published in 2002 in the Forward, the
prominent Jewish community weekly.

Entitled “We’re Right, the Whole World’s Wrong,” it is written by Rabbi Dov
Fischer, an attorney and a member of the Jewish Community Relations
Committee of the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles. / 19 Rabbi Fischer is also
national vice president of the Zionist Organization of America.

So this essay was not written by an obscure or semi-literate scribbler, like moi or you Sheno.but
rather by a prominent Jewish community figure. And it did not appear in some
marginal periodical, but rather in what is perhaps the most literate and
thoughtful Jewish weekly in America, and certainly one of the most influential.

In his essay, Rabbi Fischer tells readers: “If we Jews are anything, we are a
people of history … Our history provides the strength to know that we can be
right and the whole world wrong.”

“We were (and are) right, and the whole world is wrong”.


  BUT….... IT STILL COST THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER $ 3.4 TRILLION DOLLARS TO FINANCE
ISRAEL’S WARS AND EXISTANCE AND HAVE THOUSANDS OF NON DUAL CITIZEN
AMERICAN YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN DIE OR BECOME CRIPPLED FOR LIFE.

THATS $3.4 TRILLION DOLLARS AND STILL COSTING THE PEOPLE IN MY HOME
STATE OF

Texas
Military Aid to Israel, Total FY2009-2018: $2,578,333,893.32


This money could have been spent instead to:
Provide 31,307 households per year w/affordable housing grants OR
Provide 42,800 job seekers per year w/green jobs training OR
Provide 76,235 children per year w/early reading education OR
Provide 2,088,058 people per year w/primary health care.

Tell your Members of Congress to spend your tax dollars wisely

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By Shenonymous, April 15, 2010 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

As you slink off to Meyhico, omopsie, maybe you could source your
information on Herr Freud.  Every once in a while symptoms of your
emotional psychosis slips out.

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By Shingo, April 15, 2010 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

Yes, I do laugh when I hear the pro Israeli contingent that everything Israel does it out of the goodness of their hearts and motivated by a desire to benefit their fellow man, as thought to suggest profit and self interest play no part in it.

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LSL must have had an unusual childhood. Still he seems to have Sheno’s
sympathy in regards the inventors of vaccines and all around do gooders.

LSL’s latest outbursts of PUTZ and Schmuck are indicative of a Hurensohn and
as such is a victim of Jewish mother’s duty to love their sons, as is well known.

But outright incest which seems to be what LSL suffers from and which is at
the origin of a well-known mental illness – one that especially afflicts Jews –
called “hysteria.”

Incest incidentally attracted the attentions of a famous German Jew named
Freud while he was developing his theories. The parallels between Judaism and
hysterical pathology are quite natural.

After much research Frued concluded that Jews are well-known for these
syndromes: Hysteria, depression, introspection, amnesia, manipulation,
pathological lying, ambivalent identity, prophetic deception, sexual ambiguity,
and so on.

If any of these statements are in the Protocols of Zion or noted in the
Sanhedrin Talmud proof is required….links, links, links.

VIVA MEXICO.

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By Shenonymous, April 15, 2010 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

omop, do we have to do it a third time and reprint for the third time the
similar text out of the Qu’ran?  This line of attack is really stupid. 
Those old Talmud verses have been completely discredited.  Please find
something new to bellyache about.  The following website is easily
found with a googl search for
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/three.html

I already read the alleged ringworm experiment report online.  Odd that
there has not been any bonafide academic study on this problem.  I will
research it further in that direction.  Ringworm is not really a worm but
is a fungus and one of my cousins in the 50s, here in America, had
ringworm, so I know a little bit about the near hysteria that happened
here.  One of the commenters to the article by Barry Chamish at
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/08/295000.shtml
was also aghast (as am I) and did research on her/his own.  Dated
August 19 2004:  “So me and a friend spent the afternoon doing
research on this topic. The author of the article is a widely known
conspiracy theorist whose work, while interesting, is not always
grounded in reality. And searching for information on many of the
details which he described proved fruitless….nonetheless, there is
ample documentation of the fact that Israel did indeed administer large
doses of radiation to brown children during the fifties. At the time,
there was massive hysteria around the issue of ringworm, and radiation
was the popular method for dealing with it. In fact, 10,000 kids in New
York recieved the same treatment. It seems that the government was
really worked up at the thought of an epidemic and they responded
with insane treatments. Remember that this was the fifties and that in
America people with queer tendancies were having their brians fried
with electroshock therapy and all kinds of crazy medical stuff was going
on. They did not understand they implications of these treatments, they
thought they were dealing with ringworm and administering the most
effective treatment. However, the results have been dramatic and
horrible, many people have suffered tremendously. And the Israeli
government has been dealing with this issue for over a decade by
compensating victims of these treatments. While the compensation has
been far from enough, it is happening and there is no evidence that
Israel is trying to cover up what happened. There have been Knesset
hearing and much public debate on this issue. “
 

It seems before those in the year 2010 fly off the handle that much
more research needs to be done.  As I said I will pursue the academic
archives in many university archives as I do have professional access.  It
might take a day or two since I work and will have to squeeze my life
into my life to do this. 

The adolescent near knuckle boxing arguing that is going on, again,
really ought to stop.  It furthers nothing.  LSL if you have any real data
it would be most appreciated.

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By Liquor Store Larry, April 15 at 7:33 pm #

Yea yea, and “they bake their pastries with the blood of Arab babies” who they “intentionally gave aids to” . ROTFLMAO - you people are so stupid you should be mercy killed for your own good!

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Hey Liquor Larry…Have you served in that Israeli army/IDF?

How many Palestinian/Arab children, grandmothers, women…etc…did you “mercy kill” ?

You are a zionist-nazi ... your skull is saturated with racism. Just wondering where the infection started in NY or Apartheid Israel!

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“Yea yea, and “they bake their pastries with the blood of Arab babies” who they
“intentionally gave aids to” . ROTFLMAO - you people are so stupid you should be
mercy killed for your own good!”

He quote the crackpot wasn’t he? If he’d been Jewish, he’d be right at home in
Hebron.

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By Robert, April 15, 2010 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

LINKTV

Spotlight: The Ringworm Children

Airdates: No airdates currently scheduled.

Category: Documentaries


“In the early 1950s, approximately 100,000 immigrant children, primarily from North Africa, received X-ray radiation treatment for ringworm upon their arrival in Israel. At the time, the medical establishment thought ringworm a grave danger to public health. It was later discovered that these treatments caused high rates of infertility, cancer and death. This tragic affair was hidden from the public eye for decades… until now. Through exhaustive research and testimonies of survivors, this emotional documentary illustrates how stereotyping immigrants can have horrific consequences.

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This documentary was aired on LinkTV. One could purchase a DVD of the this film or wait til its aired again:

http://www.linktv.org/programs/ringworm

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By Shingo, April 15, 2010 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

Shen,

Many of those vaccines were developed by Israelis working for US pharmaceuical companies who had set up offices in Israel.

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Part 2
The film made it perfectly plain that this operation was no accident. The
dangers of x-rays had been known for over forty years. We read the official
guidelines for x-ray treatment in 1952. The maximum dose to be given a child
in Israel was .5 rad. There was no mistake made. The children were deliberately
poisoned.
David Deri makes the point that only Sephardi children received the x-rays: “I
was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They asked our names.
The Ashkenazi children were told to return to their seats. The dark children
were put on the bus.”
The film presents a historian who first gives a potted history of the eugenics
movement. In a later sound bite, he declares that the ringworm operation was a
eugenics program aimed at weeding out the perceived weak strains of society.
The Moroccan lady is back on the screen. “It was a Holocaust, a Sephardi
Holocaust. And what I want to know is why no one stood up to stop it.”
David Deri, on film and then as a panel member, relates the frustration he
encountered when trying to find his childhood medical records. “All I wanted to
know was what they did to me. I wanted to know who authorized it. I wanted to
trace the chain of command. But the Health Ministry told me my records were
missing.” Boaz Lev, the Health Ministry’s spokesman chimes in: “Almost all the
records were burned in a fire.”
We are told that a US law in the late ‘40s put a stop to the human radiation
experiments conducted on prisoners, the mentally feeble and the like. The
American atomic program needed a new source of human lab rats and the
Israeli government supplied it. Here was the government cabinet at the time of
the ringworm atrocities:
Prime Minister - David Ben Gurion; Finance Minister - Eliezer Kaplan;
Settlement Minister - Levi Eshkol; Foreign Minister - Moshe Sharrett; Health
Minister - Yosef Burg; ?Labor Minister - Golda Meir; Police Minister - Amos Ben
Gurion.
The highest ranking non-cabinet post belonged to the Director General of the
Defence Ministry, Shimon Peres.
That a program involving the equivalent of billions of dollars of American
government funds should be unknown to the Prime Minister of cash-strapped
Israel is ridiculous. Ben Gurion had to have been in on the horrors and
undoubtedly chose his son to be Police Minister in case anyone interfered with
them.
Finance Minister Eliezer Kaplan was rewarded for eternity with a hospital
named after him near Rehovot. But he’s not alone in this honor. Chaim Sheba,
who ran Ringworm Incorporated, had a whole medical complex named after
him. Needless to say, if there is an ounce of decency in the local medical
profession, those hospital names will have to change.
After the film ended, there was a panel discussion which included a Moroccan
singer, David Edri, head of the Compensation Committee for Ringworm X-Ray
Victims, and Boaz Lev, a spokesman for the Ministry Of Health.
TV host Dan Margalit tried to put a better face on what he’d witnessed. He
explained meekly that “the state was poor. It was a matter of day to day
survival.” Then he stopped. He knew there was no excusing the atrocities which
the Sephardi children endured.
But it was the Moroccan singer who summed up the experience best. “It’s
going to hurt, but the truth has to be told. If not, the wounds will never heal.”
There is one person alive who knows the truth: Shimon Peres. The only way to
get to the truth and start the healing is to investigate him for his role in the
mass poisoning of over 100,000 Sephardi children and youth.
But here is why that won’t happen. The film was aired at the same time as the
highest-rated TV show of the year, the finale of Israel’s talent-hunt show: “A
Star Is Born.” The next day, the newly-born star’s photo took up half the front
pages. There was not a word about “The Ringworm Children” in any paper, nor
on the Internet. Until now.

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By Shingo, April 15, 2010 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

“I think you have the Talmud confused with the Protocols of Zion!”

You being a scholar of the first, and a partitioner of the latter.

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By elisalouisa, April 15, 2010 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

Israel Insider/Barry Chamish | October 28 2005 Part 1
On August 14, at 9 PM, Israel’s Channel Ten television screened a documentary
film which exposes the ugliest secret of Israel’s Labor party founders: the
deliberate mass radiation poisoning of nearly all Sephardi youths of a
generation.
“The Ringworm Children” (translated in Hebrew as “100,000 Rays”), directed by
David Belhassen and Asher Hemias, recently won the prize for “best
documentary” at the Haifa International film festival, and in the past year has
made the rounds of Jewish and Israeli film festivals around the world. But it had
yet to come to Israeli television screens. The subject is the mass irradiation of
hundreds of thousands of young Israeli immigrants from Middle Eastern
countries—Sephardim, as they are called today. The story goes like this:
In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr. Chaim Sheba,
flew to America and returned with seven x-ray machines, supplied to him by
the American army.
They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire generation of
Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every Sephardi child was to be
given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing
so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300 million Israeli
liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60 million liras. The money paid by
the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today.
To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on “school
trips” and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for the
scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their
doses were given, while many of the rest developed cancers that killed
thousands over time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims
suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer’s disease,
chronic headaches and psychosis.
That is the subject of the documentary in cold terms. It is another matter to see
the victims on the screen.
To watch the Moroccan lady describe what getting 35,000 times the dose of
allowable x-rays in her head feels like. “I screamed make the headache go
away. Make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. But it never
went away.”
To watch the bearded man walk hunched down the street. “I’m in my fifties and
everyone thinks I’m in my seventies. I have to stoop when I walk so I won’t fall
over. They took my youth away with those x-rays.”
To watch the old lady who administered the doses to thousands of children:
“They brought them in lines. First their heads were shaved and smeared in
burning gel. Then a ball was put between their legs and the children were
ordered not to drop it, so they wouldn’t move. The children weren’t protected
over the rest of their bodies. There were no lead vests for them. I was told I
was doing good by helping to remove ringworm. If I knew what dangers the
children were facing, I would never have cooperated. Never!”
Because the whole body was exposed to the rays, the genetic makeup of the
children was often altered, affecting the next generation. We watch the woman
with the distorted face explain, “All three of my children have the same cancers
my family suffered. Are you going to tell me that’s a coincidence?”
The majority of the victims were Moroccan because they were the most
numerous of the Sephardi immigrants. The generation that was poisoned
became the country’s perpetual poor and criminal class. It didn’t make sense.
The Moroccans who fled to France became prosperous and highly educated.
The common explanation was that France got the rich, thus smart ones. The
real explanation is that every French Moroccan child didn’t have his brain cells
fried with gamma rays.

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By Liquor Store Larry, April 15, 2010 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

OMOP - as a Talmudic scholar, there are two words you should be familiar with that describe YOU perfectly:

One is PUTZ and the other is SCHMUCK!

I think you have the Talmud confused with the Protocols of Zion!

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By Shenonymous, April 15, 2010 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

Israel has a record of providing vaccines for devastating diseases of
humans as well as for carp.  So humans and fish get to live that
otherwise would not. 

NOTE:  All cited website addresses that are too long for TD’s limited
line length need to be copy/pasted into your browser to be linked.

http://www.hpm.org/de/Surveys/Brookdale_Institute_-
__Israel/14/Development_and_implementation_of_vaccine_policy.html;js
essionid=72559DDCFE81E03B63E288481F10E369
About the vaccine program in Israel, 2009

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biotech/thirteen.html
Pharmaceuticals and Vaccines by Israeli Scientists

A reprint in Haaretz:  25/09/2009 - A world first: Vaccine helps
prevent the AIDS virus From The Associated Press
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1116886.html

I looked all over the Internet for a verification of ringworm experiments
on children by Israel and was unable to find one.  Please provide back
up for this accusation.  I am interested.

However, I am not ever interested in blog provided information unless
sources are provided. The following site is both a news journal as well
as a blog. Looking only at the news report, (I am not familiar with
allegedly unbiased internet news organization, News Blaze), this story
was printed July 9, 2009.  Palestinian Authority Libel:  where the PA
supposedly reported false stories about Israel conducting Nazi-like
medical experiments on Palestinian prisoners. 
http://newsblaze.com/story/20080709191855tsop.nb/topstory.html

The arguments being waged now on the forum ought to be able to be
checked out.

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By Liquor Store Larry, April 15 at 5:12 pm #
OMOP - you are a genius.

” I’ll bet you think illegal aliens from Mexico have truly enhanced the place huh?
Must be one of those Mexican think tanks.”

People like you should be denied the vaccines that Jews invent….. and are not
responsive to anti biotics you shrivel up and croak. Wait a minute, you already
shriveled up, all you have to do is croak!”.

      Following some reearch found that your people, and I say ”
      your” since you obiously are not a Mexican but align your
      self with the Jews that invented vaccines.

      Guess what I also discovered Larry. Your Talmud states
      under:-

      Sanhedrin 55b. “A Jew may marry a three year old girl
      (specifically, three years “and a day” old)”

      and that under:-

      Sanhedrin 54b. “A Jew may have sex with a child as long
      as the child is less than nine years old”.

      Given the allowances provided by your religion along with
      possibly the differences in ages of a mother and father the
      Liquor Store Larry moniker fits well.

      Still you really should consider some form of rehab.

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By Shingo, April 15, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

“A Washington think tank has estimated that Israel and its conflicts have cost the
American taxpayer over # $3.4 TRILLION Dollars” but I’ll bet you think illegal aliens
from Mexico have truly enhanced the place huh? Must be one of those Mexican think
tanks.”

Seeing as no one who knows anything about America knows it’s no secret that the US
economy relies heavily on cheap labor from Mexicans, the answer would be yes. Not a
fact that would occur to a racist biggot.

“People like you should be denied the vaccines that Jews invent”

Yeah sure, like that brilliant experiment on the ringworm children, LSL?

“so that when illegal aliens bring diseases back into the country that were all but
eradicated and are not responsive to anti biotics you shrivel up and croak.”

Most diseases are brought in by visitors, but don ‘t let that get in the way of your racist
tirade.

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By Liquor Store Larry, April 15 at 5:12 pm #
OMOP - you are a genius…..

LSL. And you are still in a drunken stupor.

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By Liquor Store Larry, April 15, 2010 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

OMOP - you are a genius.

“A Washington think tank has estimated that Israel and its conflicts have cost the American taxpayer over # $3.4 TRILLION Dollars” but I’ll bet you think illegal aliens from Mexico have truly enhanced the place huh? Must be one of those Mexican think tanks.

People like you should be denied the vaccines that Jews invent so that when illegal aliens bring diseases back into the country that were all but eradicated and are not responsive to anti biotics you shrivel up and croak. Wait a minute, you already shriveled up, all you have to do is croak!

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By Leefeller, April 15 at 11:47 am #

Robert,

Now that I finally read something you posted, it is clear to me why,..... I prefer not to.

Biased beyond credibility, one could cut and paste an opposing article just as incredible, seemingly a nice bit of biased propaganda?

The thing is Robert, your last pasty post, seems a bit more pasty and insults my limited intelligence and forces feeds common sense with my sometimes working brain!

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weefeller...Well heck, I think that you are making “some” progress man!

Don’t be hard on yourself…that last response that I posted regarding “your questions only” to Calabash must have stung pretty badly…It looks like you attempted a question on this thread and shingo responded! Can you find/locate where Hezbollah are…without having to google?

feller…I hate to put it you this way, but you are full of hogwash and that is about all you got!

Stick to hog farming, maybe just maybe, things will make sense to your “sometimes working brain”.

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By Leefeller, April 15, 2010 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

Robert,

Now that I finally read something you posted, it is clear to me why,..... I prefer not to.

Biased beyond credibility, one could cut and paste an opposing article just as incredible, seemingly a nice bit of biased propaganda?

The thing is Robert, your last pasty post, seems a bit more pasty and insults my limited intelligence and forces feeds common sense with my sometimes working brain!

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By omop, April 15, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

Is this like the scorpion riding aturtle? Or in some Jewish tradition the wife has
to get her husbands permission ro get a divorce.

If America is ruined some of us know who the culprit is..

    A washington think tank has estimared that Israel and its conflicts have
cost the
    American taxpayer over # $3.4 TRILLION DOLLARA .

    And the taxpayers are still paying. See below for examples of just two
states,


California
Military Aid to Israel, Total FY2009-2018: $3,479,880,300.94
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This money could have been spent instead to:
Provide 42,254 households per year w/affordable housing grants OR
Provide 57,766 job seekers per year w/green jobs training OR
Provide 102,892 children per year w/early reading education OR
Provide 2,818,173 people per year w/primary health care.

Tell your Members of Congress to spend your tax dollars wisely


Louisiana
Military Aid to Israel, Total FY2009-2018: $385,472,799.42
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This money could have been spent instead to:
Provide 4,681 households per year w/affordable housing grants OR
Provide 6,399 job seekers per year w/green jobs training OR
Provide 11,398 children per year w/early reading education OR
Provide 312,174 people per year w/primary health care.

Tell your Members of Congress to spend your tax dollars wisely.

A recent VeteransToday.com makes a good case for A SCHISM DEVELOPING
between US/Israel. (‘The Special Relationship is Dead,’ March 16, 2010).
The problem is that the US is so thoroughly DOUBLE-CROSSED
by its ALLY/partner in every sphere that any attempt to remove the PARASITE’S
TENTACLES IS a bi problem.

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By Robert, April 15, 2010 at 5:42 am Link to this comment

How AIPAC takes over (in its own words)

“On April 4th we posted a report on our news site about how the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) targets student leaders from around the country, bringing over 1,000 students to its annual national convention in Washington D.C.

In a chilling JTA video from this convention, longtime AIPAC operative Jonathon Kessler is seen describing the Israel lobby’s’ plan to take over the University of California Berkeley student government, which had passed by 16-4 a resolution detested by the pro-Israel lobby.

In front of a cheering throng, Kessler announced:

  We’re going to make certain that pro-Israel students take over the student government and reverse the vote. That is how AIPAC operates in our nation’s capitol. This is how AIPAC must operate on our nation’s campuses.

Yes, that is exactly what the Israel lobby has often succeeded in doing in Congress and throughout the United States. It has taken over numerous campus organizations, university departments, and even churches. (See my recent article giving some of the specifics of this decades-long campaign).

Please view the following video and send it to others. It is time for all of us – of all religions, races, ethnicities and political backgrounds – to oppose this fanatic, destructive, manipulative, and massively powerful special interest pressure group.”

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Click on link to watch video and see Jonathan Kessler, Dershowitz & others…put the move on college and high school student government attendees from 360 college campuses:

http://alisonweir.org/

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By PatrickHenry, April 15, 2010 at 3:29 am Link to this comment

A short movie presenting the Palestinian grevience as portrayed by some of those liberal Jewish humanitarians.

http://www.blip.tv/file/3467330

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By Shingo, April 14, 2010 at 11:39 pm Link to this comment

“Rumblings of Israel attacking Lebanon again, anyone have comments?”

Yes.  Israel always telegraph their intentions to attack.  A year before the Gaza attack, they threatened a Shoah on Gaza.

As is always the case, Israel will try and incite Hezbollah to take the bait, and keep upping the ante until Hezbollah have no choice but to respond. 

As we saw with Gaza 2008 and Lebanon 2006, when war breaks out, Israel will be insisting that Hezbollah started it and that Israel had no choice but to defend itself.

This time of course, Israel will go crazy and probably flatten all of Beirut.

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By Leefeller, April 14, 2010 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

Rumblings of Israel attacking Lebanon again, anyone have comments?

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By Shingo, April 14, 2010 at 8:54 pm Link to this comment

Some corrections to GRYM’s false assertions,

a)  Putin’s missile deal with Iran dates back to the Bush era. Ahmadinejad is doing what he was doing during Bush’s term.  The Chinese attitude to the US has nothing to do with this administration, but their concerns about the value of security of America’s debt.
b) Netanyahu is the head of a criminal, ethnocentric apartheid state.  As international polls suggest, Israel is no more a beacon that Iran. 
c)Israel has the 4th most powerful military in the world and over 200 nuclear warheads. There’s nothing heroic about stealing land, carrying out 60 years of ethnic cleansing and picking fights with rag tag militias using your state of the art weapons of war.
d) Nenetyahu humiliated Washington,  and Washington responded with great restrain. As Israeli supported Tom Friedman suggested, we should stop writing the welfare cheques for Israel until they play ball.
e) No American leader has ever stood up to powerful regional dictatorships since WWII. Israel is not now nor has Israel ever been a US ally. No alliance treaty exists between Israel & the US.

Not a fact that AIPAC broadcasts, neither the MSM ... but in ‘67, after the 6 Day War & the Israeli seizure of Palestinian lands, LBJ offered Israel an alliance treaty. Israel refused, because all alliance treaties have, inter al, 2 requirements: that all signatory nations state clearly & precisely where their national borders lay; and that any signatory initiating military actions against a non-signatory must inform in advance all the other signatories to the alliance treaty.

Israel has always refused to accept these 2 standard requirements of any alliance.

The United States took on the special defense of Israel because Israel proved it could be a useful tool for American Empire.  There was no principled consideration, just a self serving and pragmatic one.  It certainty had nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

Americas de facto vetos of UN Resolutions against Israel have made Israel drunk with power and hubris, to the point where Israel holds the Washington in contempt. Aerial Sharon boasted about how Israel controlled the White House and Congress, and Israel began to believe their own press.  During the 2006 Lebanon war, Israeli ambassador to the UN, Dan Gillerman, boasted about Israel having 2 representatives at the UN, referring to the US ambassador at the time, maniac John Bolton.

Funny how Israel attracts the support of such crazies.
During the Gaza war, Olmert boasted about interrupting Bush mid-way through a speech and demanding that he order Condi Rice to abstain from voting for a ceasefire resolution that the US has helped to draft.  Obvously, Olmert got his way.
After Obama’s Cairo Speech, one member of the Knesset demanded that Israel boycott American weapons, and spend the money that Israel received from the US on weapons from other states.  Could any state be more delusional?

It’s about time the US spanked Israel for being the belligerent addicted, drug addicted, and out of control teenager that it has become.  Israel has become so accustomed to getting away with murder while demanding not only bigger pay cheques, but greater support for it’s stupidity from the international community, that it has lost all sense of reality. Obviously, so has GRYM, if he ever had it at all.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 14, 2010 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

Roger Cohen wrote in the New York Times of Obama’s putdown of Netanyahu: “The former Soviet leader [Khrushchev] thought he could browbeat Kennedy only to discover, in Vienna, that the Kennedy charm was not unalloyed to steel (‘It will be a long, cold winter’). Netanyahu was the first foreign leader to think he could steamroll Obama. He earned a frosty comeuppance.”

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The paean (Websters Dict-2) goes on to praise the new steely Obama who used Netanyahu, like Kennedy did Khrushchev, to establish his fides.

But this is absolutely lunatic for at least five reasons:

a) “Netanyahu was the first foreign leader to think he could steamroll Obama.” Hardly. Right out of the blocks Putin did it with his phony missiles-for-Iran deal. Under “reset” diplomacy, Ahmadinejad for a year now has been pressing ahead as never before. The Chinese certainly assume that they can “steamroll” this administration, as we saw from the last meeting there.

b) Khrushchev was our enemy trying to destroy freedom from Asia to Eastern Europe; Netanyahu is the head of an allied democracy, one that is a beacon of constitutionalism in a sea of autocracy.

c) The Soviet Union was a massive superpower with thousands of nuclear bombs and missiles and an entire bloc of communist client states; Israel is a tiny country of 7 million and mostly alone; how heroic is it to bully an allied small democracy versus a huge communist dictatorship?

d) Kennedy said later of that summit in Vienna that Khrushchev “beat the hell out of me” — an accurate assessment, since Khrushchev came away determined to press his luck during the Cuban Missile Crisis to come. So we don’t know the reaction of the Israelis or Palestinians to all this — only that anytime the U.S. gratuitously seeks to humiliate Israel, we can expect its enemies to see a green light and escalate, whether on the ground in the Middle East, at Arab Summits, or in the U.N.

e) A shaky American leader usually seeks to stand up to powerful regional dictatorships rather than pick on friends — that is, if the point is that the United States is still there for its allies and a formidable foe to its enemies. But apparently that was not the intent at all with Israel.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 14, 2010 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

Clearly there are people who are clueless about why, for a half-century at least, both Republican and Democratic presidents have forged a special relationship one with Israel. There certainly were not always strategic advantages in doing so, given the Arab world’s vast petroleum reserves, its huge size and population in comparison to tiny Israel, and the global fear, first, of rampant Soviet-inspired Palestinian terrorism, and, subsequently, its radical Islamic epigone.

Instead, the United States — keen to both history and values — took on the special defense of the Jewish state for a variety of principled considerations that went well beyond the concerns of Jewish Americans. We understood the long history of anti-Semitism and how, when freely expressed and practiced without objection, it devolves into pogroms and its ultimate nightmare in the Holocaust. Americans acknowledged the role of Judaism in the foundation of the Western Judaeo-Christian religious experience. And the American public was impressed that a tiny country without natural resources was able not only to survive in a sea of hostility, but to do so under the aegis of consensual government and an open society.

Last, such special consideration for Israel was predicated on some ugly realities. Most of the autocratic world, and some of the contemporary West, simply mask personal prejudice and realpolitik with a postmodern veneer of fashionable multicultural sympathy for the “other” — despite the illiberal and often fascistic tendencies of both radical Islam and Arab dictatorship that so galvanize most of Israel’s Middle Eastern enemies. But when the U.S stood by Israel, there was a sort of equilibrium established.

The United Nations knew that nearly half of its resolutions aimed at Israel would come under fire from the United States. We would bite back in New York at the fiery speeches of an extremist like Arafat or Qaddafi. The Arab summits accepted that yet another pan-Arabic resolution damning the Jewish state would go nowhere in convincing the West to drop its alliance. And European triangulators accepted that their flagrant dislike of Israel would always encounter American resistance.

The net result was that Israel’s front-line enemies, whether terrorists or state autocracies, accepted that it was futile to try to destroy Israel, and difficult to galvanize world opinion to turn it into a global pariah.

Now, however, the Obama administration — through its symbolic snubs and choice of personnel, and through real policies concerning Jerusalem — has sent a message to Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iran, the United Nations, and the European Left that America is no longer particularly interested in playing its traditional role in defending Israel either intellectually or politically — and thus perhaps soon not through military assistance either. That will only encourage new adventurism, as a mostly opportunistic world rushes to pile on, at first rhetorically, but soon through material action and global indifference to Israel’s fate.

The origins of President Obama’s apparent distaste for Israel have been explored, but why the party of Truman and JFK abetted his transformation of American foreign policy is a more complex, but equally disheartening, matter.

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By Shenonymous, April 14, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

Who are we waiting for?  Certainly not Godot?  Blood has been shed by
uncountable millions on all sides of war.  Who is right?  Who is wrong? 
From either side it is always the Other who is wrong?  When will all
humans who are born have the real moment to live out their appointed
time as they have the potential to live.  Or is their appointment for a
cause?  Only for a cause?  Yes, the path is really past Godot and is only in
one direction. There is no going back.  But the path is bifurcated toward
many points and it depends on from where one starts as to which
unidirectional road one follows.  Which Godot are we trying to impress as
there are many?  Would a Godot be the same Godot for all, if there was
indeed a Godot?

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By Leefeller, April 14, 2010 at 8:44 am Link to this comment

Omop,

One direction is, after all, a direction opposed to waiting for Godot. 

Assuming is not safe, for then one becomes obsessed in ones own truth! Thinking for others is much like assuming.

Omop! Who is We?

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By omop, April 14, 2010 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

Robert.

A sampling that gladdens the likes of Leefeller, ITW, Larry the lush,and the guy
that’s only able to move in one direction only.

        Today, once again, WE alone are right and the whole world is wrong.

        The Arabs, the Russians, the Africans, the Vatican proffer their
aggregated insights into and accumulated knowledge of the ethics of massacre.
 
        And the Europeans. Although WE appreciate the half-century of West
European democracy more than WE appreciated the prior millennia of European
brutality, WE recognize who they are, what they have done—and what’s what.
...

        WE remember that the food they [Europeans] eat is grown from soil
fertilized by 2,000 years of Jewish blood they have sprinkled onto it.

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By Robert, April 14, 2010 at 7:24 am Link to this comment

By Leefeller, April 13 at 12:19 pm #

Oh my gosh, I feel frenzied, excited, jubilated and intoxicated!

Letting Robert go, why not!

I can already vision Roberts long hair fluttering in madness, just like Mozart hunching over the piano (keyboard)  composing a new masterpiece, in Roberts case it probably even includes a mouse!

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Weefeller…You surprised me! Lets see here…from being a toilet repair man, a hog farmer, & now classical music/Mozart…interesting indeed! BTW, I do like classical music!

weefeller…I saw where you were posting “asking questions only” on another thread with Calabashe, a TD poster. Calabashe posted a link of Palestine’s 1937 map and you were asking where the West Bank/Israeli settlements were located.

I’ll give credit leefeller…one has to start somewhere!

Have a great day & I’m glad to see that you are feeling better…feller!

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By Leefeller, April 14, 2010 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

If peace is not possible what is the alternative? What seems to be happening in the Israel/Palestine delima, reminds me very much what is going on here in the good old USA? Grid lock!

Most people (my opinion) want to live their lives in peace, but fanatics running the show seem, for the most part disenfranchised from the people they would see them suffer for a cause.

In the USA we see the GOP, who would sell their soul to the devil for a buck and the Democrats who would do it for a buck and change!

I said it before, the people seem to mostly suffer from the fanaticism of blind causes, by the alleged people who would say they are representing them.

Pick a cause, any cause, political, religious, or economic it always seems the same, the people usually get the short end of the stick.  In this sense the people of Israel and Palestine are no different then the people of the USA.

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By Robert, April 14, 2010 at 6:46 am Link to this comment

Mossad Operation Threatened Against Reporter

Whistleblowing Israeli journalist treated as ‘fugitive felon’


By Jonathan Cook


“April 13, 2010 ” Information Clearing House”—An Israeli journalist who went into hiding after writing a series of reports showing lawbreaking approved by Israeli army commanders faces a lengthy jail term for espionage if caught, as Israeli security services warned at the weekend they would “remove the gloves” to track him down.

The Shin Bet, Israel’s secret police, said it was treating Uri Blau, a reporter with the liberal Haaretz daily newspaper who has gone underground in London, as a “fugitive felon” and that a warrant for his arrest had been issued.

Options being considered are an extradition request to the British authorities or, if that fails, a secret operation by Mossad, Israel’s spy agency, to smuggle him back, according to Maariv, a right-wing newspaper.

It was revealed yesterday that Mr. Blau’s informant, Anat Kamm, 23, a former conscript soldier who copied hundreds of classified documents during her military service, had confessed shortly after her arrest in December to doing so to expose “war crimes”.

The Shin Bet claims that Mr. Blau is holding hundreds of classified documents, including some reported to relate to Operation Cast Lead, Israel’s attack on Gaza in winter 2008 in which the army is widely believed to have violated the rules of war.

Other documents, the basis of a Haaretz investigation published in 2008, concern a meeting between the head of the army, Gabi Ashkenazi, and the Shin Bet in which it was agreed to ignore a court ruling and continue carrying out executions of Palestinian leaders in the occupied territories.

Yuval Diskin, head of the Shin Bet, who has said his organisation was previously “too sensitive with the investigation”, is now demanding that Mr. Blau reveal his entire document archive and take a lie-detector test on his return to identify his sources, according to Haaretz. The newspaper and its lawyers have recommended that he remain in hiding to protect his informants.

Haaretz has also revealed that, in a highly unusual move shortly before Israel’s attack on Gaza, it agreed to pull a printed edition after the army demanded at the last minute that one of Mr. Blau’s stories not be published. His report had already passed the military censor, which checks that articles do not endanger national security.

Lawyers and human rights groups fear that the army and Shin Bet are trying to silence investigative journalists and send a warning to other correspondents not to follow in Mr. Blau’s path.

“We have a dangerous precedent here, whereby the handing over of material to an Israeli newspaper … is seen by the prosecutor’s office as equivalent to contact with a foreign agent,” said Eitan Lehman, Ms. Kamm’s lawyer. “The very notion of presenting information to the Israeli public alone is taken as an intention to hurt national security.”

The Shin Bet’s determination to arrest Mr. Blau was revealed after a blanket gag order was lifted late last week on Ms. Kamm’s case. She has been under house arrest since December. She has admitted copying hundreds of classified documents while serving in the office of Brig Gen Yair Naveh, in charge of operations in the West Bank, between 2005 and 2007.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25207.htm

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By Shingo, April 13, 2010 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

“Respectable personalities”? “PLO”? –  that is an oxymoron!”

Yes, nothing like those wonderful Israeli personalities Avigor Lieberman,  Manchem Behin, Yitak Sahmir and LSL’s biggest hero, Bibi “9/11 was very good” Netenyahu.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 13, 2010 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

Page 4!
I hereby flush this thread from my active group!

See ya in the funny pages!

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By Leefeller, April 13, 2010 at 8:19 am Link to this comment

Oh my gosh, I feel frenzied, excited, jubilated and intoxicated!

Letting Robert go, why not!

I can already vision Roberts long hair fluttering in madness, just like Mozart hunching over the piano (keyboard)  composing a new masterpiece, in Roberts case it probably even includes a mouse!

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By Shenonymous, April 13, 2010 at 4:24 am Link to this comment

More later, got to go, but I see 10 pages (that is very curious, and i’d sure
like to know what others are seeing) and we are very close to 1000
comments!  I say let’s go for it.  I mean Robert has hit a new stride and
I’m even reading his new stuff.  I bet others are too.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 13, 2010 at 4:03 am Link to this comment

This thread is finally about to go to Page 4, being at the bottom of Page 3…which means Robert will now “boldly go where no one has gone before”...into the pages of obscurity to post wildly without challenge.

It’s a silly job, but somebody’s gotta do it.  This has been a rare Page 3 thread I’ve followed.  Page 4? That’s The Void!

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By Liquor Store Larry, April 12, 2010 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

“Respectable personalities”? “PLO”? –  that is an oxymoron!

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By Robert, April 12, 2010 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

April 12, 2010


Declaring a Palestinian State

The Big Gamble

By URI AVNERY


“I MET Salam Fayyad, the Palestinian Prime Minister, two weeks ago, and was again impressed by the calm and modesty he radiates.

Generally, I meet him at demonstrations, such as those at the Bil’in fence. This time, too, there was no opportunity for more than a perfunctory handshake and a few polite words.

We appeared together at the Land Day event in a small village near Qalqilyah, whose name is known only to a few: Izbat al-Tabib. The village was established in 1920, and the occupation authorities do not recognize its existence. They want to demolish it and transfer its extensive lands to the nearby Alfei Menashe settlement.

We were surrounded by a large group of respectable personalities – the heads of neighboring villages and officials of the parties that belong to the PLO – as well as the inhabitants of the village. I could speak to him only from the rostrum. I entreated him to strengthen the cooperation between the Palestinian leadership and the Israeli peace camp, a cooperation that has weakened since the assassinations of Yasser Arafat and Faisal Husseini.

* * *

IT IS impossible not to like Fayyad. He radiates decency, seriousness and a sense of responsibility. He invites trust. None of the filth of corruption has stuck to him. He is no party functionary. Only after much hesitation did he join a small party (“the Third Way”). In the confrontation between Fatah and Hamas, he does not belong to either of the two rival blocs. He looks like a bank manager – and that is what he indeed was: a senior official of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

The 58-year old Fayyad is the very opposite of Yasser Arafat, who first appointed him as Finance Minister. The Ra’is radiated authority, the Prime Minister radiates diffidence. Arafat was an extrovert, Fayyad is an introvert. Arafat was a man of dramatic gestures, Fayyad does not know what a gesture is.

But the biggest difference between the two lies in their methods. Arafat did not put all his eggs into one basket, he used many baskets. He was ready to use – simultaneously or alternatively - diplomacy and the armed struggle, popular action and secret channels, moderate and radical groups. He believed that the Palestinian people were much too weak to dispense with any instrument.

Fayyad, on the other hand, puts all his – and the Palestinians’ - eggs in one basket. He chose a single strategy and sticks to it. That is a personal and national gamble – and bold and dangerous indeed.

* * *

FAYYAD BELIEVES, so it seems, that the Palestinians’ only chance to achieve their national goals is by non-violent means, in close cooperation with the US.

His plan is to build the Palestinian national institutions and create a robust economic base, and, by the end of 2011, to declare the State of Palestine.

This is reminiscent of the classic Zionist strategy under David Ben-Gurion. In Zionist parlance, this was called “creating facts on the ground”.”

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By Robert, April 12, 2010 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment

What to do! Those whimpering Israel staunch supporters are just not pleased at all!

Their attempts at heckling and sidetracking are just a way of life for them. One can hear their faint howling from way…far away!

No problem…can’t please everybody!

Just change the channel…or just don’t read it all!

LOL!

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By omop, April 12, 2010 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

Who gives a merde what those Palestenians say or do.

This is the guy that counts.

 
Netanyahu Adviser Ya’alon: ‘I Do Not Accept’ Any Withdrawal From Settlements

An interview published in the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot, Moshe
Ya’alon — Israel’s Vice Prime Minister, Minister of Strategic Affairs, and a close
adviser of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu — reveals that the lame efforts
to resume the negotiations with the Palestinians are just “maneuvers” by the
Netanyahu administration.

Ya’alon’s comments explain that the gestures made by Netanyahu — from the
qualified endorsement of the two-state solution to the decision to partially and
temporarily freeze construction in the settlements — are all strategically
intended to allow for greater settlement expansion in the future.

“And I say so out of knowledge,” Ya’alon told Yediot. “Nobody in the forum of
seven [senior cabinet ministers] thinks that we can reach an agreement with the
Palestinians.” Yediot Ahronot reports (print version, translated from Hebrew):

  Q: So why all these games of make-believe negotiations? It’s possible to
announce that we will not reach an agreement, and that is all.

  YA’ALON: Because in the political establishment there are pressures. Peace
Now from within and other elements from without. So you have to maneuver.
But what I’m saying now has to be given over to the Americans, and I hope that
they will understand.

  Some of what we have to do is maneuver with the American administration
and the European establishment, which are also nourished by Israeli elements,
which create the illusion that an agreement can be reached.

Ya’alon disclosed that Netanyahu has made clear that he intends to increase
settlement activity as soon as the freeze expires. “The prime minister reiterates
all the time,” Ya’alon said, “and also brought a decision to the security cabinet
that says clearly, that immediately after the freeze, we will continue to build in
Judea and Samaria as we did before.”

  Q: Will we evacuate settlements in the end?

  YA’ALON: I do not accept that. What has happened to us in recent years
obligates us to stop with everything connected to withdrawal.

The Netanyahu administration’s refusal to offer any compromise on settlement
expansion in Jerusalem so angered President Obama that the president “walked
out of his meeting” with the Prime Minister.  More maneuvers by Bibi, Avigdor
[Joe lieberman’s namesake] on how to respond to Obama’s ended up with Bibi
being told to stay away from DC or ordered to stay away by YA’ALON.

  YA"ALON who for some unknown reason has been tagged with the moniker
“CHEMICAL YA” is repreenting Bibi Nethanyahu at the nuclear summit in DC
with Obama and other world leaders.

In other relevant news the Russians have started shipping Sam missiles to Iran.

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By Shenonymous, April 11, 2010 at 11:36 pm Link to this comment

Ooops, I didn’t give the page for the poll!  Yikes!
http://www.jmcc.org/documentsandmaps.aspx?id=718
See the W in the middle of the page, click on that if anyone is interested
in what the Palestinians say.  There is an analysis of what the background
of the people, their occupations which I think is a good idea for any poll. 
I think the US ought to take a clue.

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By Shenonymous, April 11, 2010 at 11:30 pm Link to this comment

Robert must be encouraged, ITW.  I was knocked off my computer seat
(exaggeration) at his last post. It was soooo different from the usual
litany.  Yes, the Netanyahu decline was all over the news, and I did
watch it a few times on different news shows, but at least Robert
provided something in print that can be mulled over on one’s own
instead of just getting the always odious news analyses from the news
dunderheads.  Have we turned a corner here?  The Republicans are
making their usual crapchatter about it, but it is to be expected from
those with deforming mental deficiencies.

I suspect Netanyahu avoids the meeting on nuclear power in the Middle
East because he might have to admit to what power Israel really has. 
Up to now it is on the speculation page.  I don’t think his missing that
meeting has much to do with the US pressure to stop building in
Jerusalem. 

Here is something that can be chewed on, from October 2009:  Click
on the little W icon about in the middle of the page.  It is a “Poll No. 69
Part 1, October 2009 - Palestinian’s opinion towards the Goldstone
report and the up-coming elections” The public opinion of Hamas is I
think thought-provoking.  It is not as one-sided as one might think.

Actually that website, JMCC, is a very interesting site.  It is a view from
the Palestinian side.  http://www.jmcc.org/categories.aspx?id=4

Might as well give an Israeli one also:
http://www.israelinewsnow.com/
They do polls too.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 11, 2010 at 8:30 pm Link to this comment

Now that this post is deep in back pages Robert can “boldly” post on it.

He finally actually posted a valid article, which, like all, he copied from somewhere else. Still, it’s valid, which, for him is nothing short of miraculous.

Unfortunately, this particular article has been all over the place—I guess Robert was just the last to know.

Oops.

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By Robert, April 11, 2010 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

Why Netanyahu Canceled His DC Visit, and Why the GOP Is Applauding

By Daniel Levy

April 11, 2010 “Huffington Post” - - “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced that he would not, after all, be attending next week’s Nuclear Security Summit to be hosted by President Obama in Washington, DC.

Speaking to Republican party loyalists at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans, Liz Cheney in a manner that was not only very predictable but also as one imagines Netanyahu would have scripted her—attacked the president of her own country for what she called his “shabby” and “disgraceful” treatment of Israel. The party faithful applauded.

The reasons cited by Israeli officials for their PM’s Washington no-show were last-minute concerns that Israel’s own nuclear program—or in official lingua franca, non-NPT signatory status—would be raised by certain summit attendees—notably, Egypt and Turkey. It is an explanation that fails to meet even the lowest bar of plausibility—unless Benjamin Netanyahu has been moonlighting as Sleeping Beauty for the last decade or more. It is a very long-standing tradition that at every possible international forum Egypt raises its concerns at Israel’s nuclear program and non-NPT status, and it did so along with other Arab states and in Israel’s presence when multilateral Arms Control and Regional Security talks took place throughout the 90’s after the Madrid Conference.

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25184.htm

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By omop, April 11, 2010 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller.

Its unbelievable. Your retelling the joke about the ventriloquist and the laughing dummy must be the
result of divine providence. Or maybe its really Haitian Voodoo.

You’ll really appreciate the providential impact of your posting after you read
what happened.

After reading your joke I relayed it to our neighbor who does vetriloquism acts
for children birthdays and such. He works with 2 dummies that he created in
his workshop one of which he made to look like Beeg Boid and the other was
the spitting image of Larry David. One he named Jim the Moron and the other he
called Larry.

Well get this.  I retold him your joke word for word while he was puttering around his two
dummies and this is the proviential part. He didn’t crack a smile but the two
dummes were rolling in the aisle as the saying goes. His wife had to call 911
to get the medics to come and quiten down those two..

Gracias Leefeller for sharing that joke and making a couple of dummies split a
gut. Thats got to be divine providence at work for sure. The neighbor and his
wife invited us over for a barbeque. Halleluyah.

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By Leefeller, April 11, 2010 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

Omop

Don’t know if Larry will make it, but I will tell a Joke! Since I have been called a Zionist I am allowed to do this without being called bigoted even though I am!

A Ventriloquist was on the stage doing a series of Zionists stupid jokes wich were really, really quite funny!

After awhile a Zionist stands up from the back of the audience and yells out, “I am a Zionist and have been listening to these stupid Zionist jokes for twenty minutes now… and I am getting sick and tired of them… and…. find them very insulting to Zionsts everywhere!”

The Ventriloquist feels bad about all this, so he stands up and says, ...“I am sorry”.

The Zionist in the back of the room yells back;... “not you!..... The other guy”!

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By omop, April 11, 2010 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, April 11 at 5:32 pm #

Leefeller, April 11 at 5:35 pm #

Looks like either ITW beat Leefeller out of the shower by 3 minutes.OR

Leefeller took a longer time rinsing.

In either case if one is to become a well rounded bigot the best teachers to
learn from are folks that have a long repute in teaching Bigotry 24/7/365 like for
example Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak HaCohen Kook or that gguy from Lithuania.

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By Leefeller, April 11, 2010 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

El Dante, when my Tequila is not to warm!

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By Leefeller, April 11, 2010 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

Sorry omop flatter is most flattering!

I assumed omop was a bigot on unsound grounds, because he has on more than one occasion from what I perceived sounded quite like one,... well… written like one anyway, well at least omop did not say Hoffer was a Zionist Twit!

Possibly omop could saddle up with Larry and learn how to tell racest jokes which make sense and be quite humorous at the same time, even though bigoted.  Omop the Rabbi guy was not funny and certainly those last two attempts at humor really stunk. 

Larry can you show omop how it is done with class and expertise, omop is in dire need of tutoring, if omop ever gets up to speed, I see potential for a great stand up routine.  Boy, I can see the stage setting already, a liquor store and a camel!

Omop is bigotry a full time job?

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By Inherit The Wind, April 11, 2010 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

Omop:
The only two letters that apply to you are H/H.

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By Shenonymous, April 11, 2010 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

Seems like time, that old beezlebub, radson, has eclipsed any reduction
in the use of money to assuage the imbalance of poor to rich. And it is
the only way these days to promise a cleaner preserved planet.  It
simply takes money to change the instability. The Skinnerian
conditioning is simply too embedded in the human psyche.  For all its
faults, the USA is still the country of choice for immigrants.  Justice is a
different issue but needs to be brought in for consideration.  We can’t
go backwards, for if we do, other repercussions would follow.  Like all
progress in medicine, number of educated (though not nearly enough
proportionally to the total population of the world, like 6.8 billion) but
nevertheless more than at any time in history.  Learning is infectious
and the more that learn the more that learn.  If Marx is not a good
application of socialism, and I agree that it has not proven propitious
for a large highly and mixed populated country, then one needs to be
offered as modifications of marx is all we ever get.  Yes the
intermingling of capitalism and socialism is what we have here in the
USA.  And while the Chicago Boys find it unpalatable, the extreme
socialists find it equally unpalatable.  The multiplicity of economic and
political views in the USA is too entrenched to promise a Weimar
Republic or a Soviet style Union.  The elites can be minimized by laws
and enforcement of “redistribution of the wealth” from the socialist
influence that can show the benefits the lesser wealthy endowed can
have in order to have a decent life that allows the promise of being
human, individually as well as socially.  I was amused at the reference
to Dante, that showed your literary culture.  I am always impressed
when that shows up on this usually lackluster website.  Leefeller’s
comments are about the only break in the tedium and most don’t get
his somewhat radioactive humor. As if they will get humorific radiation
poisoning. hahaha

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By omop, April 11, 2010 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Time , for the ethical, moral and lovers of all people regardless of color,
creed, etc,. to pick which one is “racist” and which one is bigoted.

  Cousin ianheard and pals favorite remark that cracks up the guys at the diner referebces an old Lithuanian peasant proverb which goes something like
this:- The jew screams in pain as he is slapping your face.

  While his cousin Mussa crcacks up the same crowd with his:-
  show me any dog   who does not bark in Arabic.


  Special invite to ITW and Leefeller the only two commentors who have used
the word “shower” in complementing my comments. Now thats a special kind of bonding between thosr 2 that the least said about the better. Since it could be M/F; or F/F; or M/M or any combination of other letters in the alphabet.

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By radson, April 11, 2010 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment

Shen

The use of the word ‘predictable’ was not used to imply contempt ,it was more to suggest a ‘prompt’ on your part that would be forthcoming.Fort Knox and the stash of Gold within its vaults ,may be impressive in
itself ,yet it’s questionable whether there is enough of the metal to balance the US debt to the creditors .The point that I am encouraging with regards to the yellow metal ,that has been a part of Ancient Civilizations
and still so dominate in this day and age is perhaps best described in an abstract parable .Take for instance two countries and both are not amiable towards each other ;one country is endowed with a substantial amount of Gold ,yet possesses a negligible amount of base metals ,while with the other its the opposite ,which of the two will be able to industrialize more readily.Yes I am cognizant to your possible argument ,with
the possibility to include a Third Party to balance the short comings of the Country with an abundance of Gold ,but leave that aside for the moment and think of the practicality of the resources them self. Lenin’s
warped application of Marxism further modified by Dugasvelli is not a good example of Socialism and its eloquently summed up by Robert Conquest at the end of his book as a Mafia style criminal State.The
intermingling of both the Capitalist and Socialist systems has been progressing for many decades now and is not a novelty ,although the Chicago Boys still find it unpalatable.The idea of printing excess money
leads to inflation as you well know and I not going to imply that America is heading for a Weimer Republic type of conclusion with all of the political uncertainties that encompass such uncertainty ,but somehow
the Elites are skeptical towards sharing the fortunes that are entitled to something called a Nation . Dante was used as a reason for the impossibility of the Quest to state in 25 words ,hence my reference to a
world renown Poet ,where if any could condense the topic it would take someone of his brilliance.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 11, 2010 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

omop, April 11 at 12:20 pm #

Hysterical ITW’s remarks.

    ;Aw….Poor wittle Omop"88”.....Can’t even stereotype and hate Jews
      without being tagged as what he is…a racist.

Are reminiscent of Rabbi Hacohen Kook’s take on us gentiles.

’    “The difference between the Jewish soul ... and the soul of all the
      Gentiles ...    is greater and deeper than the difference between the
      soul of a man and the soul of an animal. —

      Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak HaCohen Kook.( before 1948 )
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Omop"88” finds ONE racist Jew and therefore figgers he’s free to stereotype ALL Jews as bigots who hate Christians.  Hey, Brown-shirter, I never claimed there weren’t Jewish bigots. I’m glad you find this funny.

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By omop, April 11, 2010 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

Leefeller.


I did actually look for some one that resembled you and your admirers on this
tread as well as contribute to your happiness. By the way does the Rabbi’s
remarks make you homesick too.    ?? ????

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By Leefeller, April 11, 2010 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Damn, I was looking forward to the 25 words or less She assignment!

China in its own alleged country has moved a few people in the name of posterity. From what I understand the people being moved did not much like the idea, what does that mean?

It seems to me moving people or making them move is not quite the same as rounding them up to go and take a shower? Maybe the people being asked to move should be over joyed?

Omop found a Jewish bigot which he can relate to. I am so happy for him or her, (often I do not know genders of posters), these days one seldom sees such touching bonding of like minds?

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By Shenonymous, April 11, 2010 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

As if being predictable is bad at all?  It is a comfy thing to be.  And
others have something to count on.  Akin to loyalty, constancy,
honorable, righteous.  So I was ‘rather predictable’?  How is that,
radson?  There was the sound of derision in your comment. 

You see L’feller, the one that sets up the game does not play the game
but judges how well the game is played.

Printing presses indeed!  Why before this financial crunch I never knew
the guvamint could print money anytime it needed it!  Seems like
counterfeit to me.  I thought there had to be some precious metal in
Fort Knox to back up all the paper.  Am I wrong?  Guess so.  Guess it
isn’t counterfiet since it is the guvamint that is doinnit.  Sheesh.  Now I
have a question for the socialists.  If the guvamint was socialist and it
ran out of money to operate (even socialists take from the till and
makes sure cousin Illych got the job of police chief) and ‘cause it still
would have to operate, administrators would need to be paid, no?  Even
if they worked for nothing (oh yeah), the utility bills would need paid,
well maybe not?  Whatever, but if it ran out of money, would it print
new money too?

The capitalist economic system is based on competition that is not
always bad, but we have seen the worst it can get in our history.  Before
our time the 1929 depression was proportionately worse comparatively
speaking.  There are reasonable arguments for both capitalism and
socialism, and just as many arguments against.  Shall we just toss a
coin or write a 25-word or less essay on which is best for humans to
be published on the Huffington Post?  The gold standard which is just a
euphemism for wealth, seems to be the most efficient way to do
commerce.  Trading on a large scale must have common denominators
with which to transact.

Of course religions that share fables was not the point, radson.  As a
matter of fact those particular genesic fables are derivative of even
more ancient ones from other cultures, Greek, Hindus and Babylonian. 
The Vedas have several of the classic biblical tales and that is the
oldest religion there is.  Joseph Campbell’s Hero of a Thousand Faces
claimed that all hero myths are shadows of the same underlying
scheme. Campbell had his detractors, Brendan Gill, who I think was
merely speculating.  He did no particular research into Campbell’s
personal philosophy, who said more romantically than rationally, “we
still need myths [in modern times] that will identify the individual not
with his local group but with the planet.”  Since all our fables are a
thing of the mind, with no physical evidence to give any rational basis,
seems Campbell’s theories are as valid as anyone else’s.

You are right, repopulation of humans on the planet is certainly not
limited to religious belief.  Fecundity is what drives reproduction.  But
also it drives imagination.  That is how ideologies originate.  Myths,
fables, legends, etc., are what guide primitive institutions.  The
question was, and here I will correct our dear brethren Leefeller, “how
the world could be made better without gold ingots or bags of gold,
while at the same time avoid any harm to the planet and to humanity
itself?”  I don’t mind being restated just so the content remains
equivalent.

I see, all said and done, none are able to rise to the challenge:  One
thinks I think he is Dante (very funny), another declines by yelping
about being in grammar school again, and yet another shrinks through
the ruse of diversion chiding someone who drinks tequila. LOL All very
familiar with students who pretend to know but only always talk a big
game.  It was all in fun, no need to stress. Life is always full of
surprises.

My 25-word contribution:  Impossible without $ resources to adjust
economic gap.  Nations must fulfill pledge of 0.7%+ gross income for
poor countries.  Depleting planet resources prohibited by law.

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By omop, April 11, 2010 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

Hysterical ITW’s remarks.

      ;Aw….Poor wittle Omop"88”.....Can’t even stereotype and hate Jews
        without being tagged as what he is…a racist.

Are reminiscent of Rabbi Hacohen Kook’s take on us gentiles.

’      “The difference between the Jewish soul ... and the soul of all the
        Gentiles ...      is greater and deeper than the difference between the
        soul of a man and the soul of an animal. —

        Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak HaCohen Kook.( before 1948 )

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By Robert, April 11, 2010 at 5:46 am Link to this comment

Book about Palestinian girl causing controversy in Canadian schools

04.07.2010 | Montreal Gazette

OTTAWA — “A children’s novel about a Palestinian girl set against the conflict in the Middle East has sparked outrage in Canada’s Jewish community — with some school trustees demanding the book be removed from reading lists and libraries.

B’nai Brith Canada has publicly denounced the novel, saying it “demonizes” Israelis and portrays Palestinians as innocent.”

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B’nai Brith, ADL, AIPAC, Zionism, AIPAC controlled news media ...want the world to know that Jews are the only “eternal victims” in the world…No Palestinians/Lebanese/Arabs/Europeans…etc…should be considered as victims:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/book-burners

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By Shingo, April 11, 2010 at 5:37 am Link to this comment

“I guess this must [be] the start of Europe’s final solution for the Jews.”

Funny, I didn’t see any mention of deportation, much less any mentiobn fo any government policy that condoned anti Semitism.

Did I miss something Mr apartheid loving Zionist?

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By omop, April 11, 2010 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

By Shingo, April 11 at 4:01 am #
Here’s a pretty disturbing development in Israel

IDF order will enable mass deportation from West Bank
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1162075.html

I guess this must the start of Israel’s final solution for the Arabs.


  THIS SOLUTION SHINGO BEGAN when the Israeli FREEDOM FIGHTER

  ARIEL SHARON ORDERED THE IDF AND THE IMMIGRANT SETTLERS
  FROM MOLDAVIA and other exotic countries to HEY:-

    ” EVERYBOBODY move, run, GRAB as many hilltops so WE can enlarge OUR
      settlements because EVERYTHING WE take now will be OURS and what we
      dont GRAB will go to them”.

  Wikipedia has a long file on Ariel.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 11, 2010 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

Here’s a pretty disturbing development in Europe.

Study: Anti-Semitism in Europe hit new high in 2009

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1162191.html

I guess this must [be] the start of Europe’s final solution for the Jews.

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By Shingo, April 11, 2010 at 1:01 am Link to this comment

Here’s a pretty disturbing development in Israel

IDF order will enable mass deportation from West Bank
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1162075.html

I guess this must the start of Israel’s final solution for the Arabs.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 10, 2010 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment

How touching! Robert is pretending to be concerned for Leefeller!

That’s because Robert had not the least idea what LeeFeller is talking about!

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By Robert, April 10, 2010 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

By Leefeller, April 10 at 6:09 pm #

An interesting quest in 25 words or less, ... no less.

Not sure it can be done, but for thread respect of the post-ers with the most-ers, I would suggest SHinges and She start, (Just to see if they can write something in 25 words or less?) Then Robert to see if he could write something at all comprehensive, and while this project is happening,  I will take care of some important business, contemplating which one of my 40 cats has been drinking my Tequila!

Is this going to be like when I was in school as a little kid, a sort of show and tell?

Reflections on human Nature?

Human nature seems to have many handicaps and one which came to my attention recently, is the bullying nature in some humans.  There is an auricle on TD about the teenager girl who commuted suicide allegedly caused from constant bullying by fellow students. Then recently I heard of bullying in the work places by co workers and supervisors. This is simplistic but maybe countries like the USA are just plan old Bullies?

Is it possible or probable people who bully become leaders of countries and enjoy bullying others for their, pleasure, entertainment or amusement?  Of course there is the power thing and for some a necessary feeling of control and superiority by attempting to make others feel inferior. Bigotry has it’s kind of bullies. Human nature seems to require this constant drama of cause and effect?

Just some more opinion on this cold dank rainy Saturday.

~~~~~~~~~~

Hey weefeller...what ever you do, don’t take it out on the cats and please make sure that you don’t hurt yourself. You need to stay off that damn Tequila wagon…from the way you sound, that wagon is headed towards a steep cliff.

What to do weefeller…human nature…human nature…hope that your weekend days get warmer. You need to get out if its possible…too much Tequila can Quil-ya feller!

Have a great weekend!

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By radson, April 10, 2010 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

Shen

That’s quite the response and rather predictable I may add, Hahaha .Just the thought of breaking loose -so to speak -can cause a certain degree of consternation .The gold standard disappeared during Pres. Nixon’s
term of office and now the International Community is operating on a Fiat based economy where the printing presses are kept busy indeed.The mercantile exchange between real goods is the only ‘Trade ’ that is actually Tangible and by the way makes the most sense overall .The Capitalist system is based on competition ,but oftentimes the quest for resources leads to a state of conflict ,now I am not dispelling the contributions towards the progression of Humankind ,due to the competitiveness which has occurred throughout history ,but more so on the argument -that is there no other way -to progress.The fact that many
different religious denominations share certain Fables ,is not the point ,you do realize that there exist many different cultures that share the same Planet ,yet don’t share the same ideologies.Shen the repopulation
of Humans on the Planet is not limited to religious beliefs ,its biologically driven and that would include all mammals of which humans are part of the genus .Now to answer your question in 25 words what ! do you take me for Dante,nevertheless I appreciate your feedback its a social privilege based on camaraderie.

cheers

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By Inherit The Wind, April 10, 2010 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, April 10 at 6:09 pm #

An interesting quest in 25 words or less, ... no less.

Not sure it can be done, but for thread respect of the post-ers with the most-ers, I would suggest SHinges and She start, (Just to see if they can write something in 25 words or less?) Then Robert to see if he could write something at all comprehensive, and while this project is happening,  I will take care of some important business, contemplating which one of my 40 cats has been drinking my Tequila!

Is this going to be like when I was in school as a little kid, a sort of show and tell?

Reflections on human Nature?

Human nature seems to have many handicaps and one which came to my attention recently, is the bullying nature in some humans.  There is an auricle on TD about the teenager girl who commuted suicide allegedly caused from constant bullying by fellow students. Then recently I heard of bullying in the work places by co workers and supervisors. This is simplistic but maybe countries like the USA are just plan old Bullies?

Is it possible or probable people who bully become leaders of countries and enjoy bullying others for their, pleasure, entertainment or amusement?  Of course there is the power thing and for some a necessary feeling of control and superiority by attempting to make others feel inferior. Bigotry has it’s kind of bullies. Human nature seems to require this constant drama of cause and effect?

Just some more opinion on this cold dank rainy Saturday.
*************************************************

Hey! You’re getting serious, thoughtful and philosophical!  Naturally you are making excellent sense, too.

SO KNOCK IT OFF, LF!

(rational logic not allowed here. TM)

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