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Posted on Mar 29, 2010
AP / Jae C. Hong

By Chris Hedges

The language of violence always presages violence. I watched it in war after war from Latin America to the Balkans. The impoverishment of a working class and the snuffing out of hope and opportunity always produce angry mobs ready to kill and be killed. A bankrupt, liberal elite, which proves ineffectual against the rich and the criminal, always gets swept aside, in times of economic collapse, before thugs and demagogues emerge to play to the passions of the crowd. I have seen this drama. I know each act. I know how it ends. I have heard it in other tongues in other lands. I recognize the same stock characters, the buffoons, charlatans and fools, the same confused crowds and the same impotent and despised liberal class that deserves the hatred it engenders.

“We are ruled not by two parties but one party,” Cynthia McKinney, who ran for president on the Green Party ticket, told me. “It is the party of money and war. Our country has been hijacked. And we have to take the country away from those who have hijacked it. The only question now is whose revolution gets funded.”

The Democrats and their liberal apologists are so oblivious to the profound personal and economic despair sweeping through this country that they think offering unemployed people the right to keep their unemployed children on their nonexistent health care policies is a step forward. They think that passing a jobs bill that will give tax credits to corporations is a rational response to an unemployment rate that is, in real terms, close to 20 percent. They think that making ordinary Americans, one in eight of whom depends on food stamps to eat, fork over trillions in taxpayer dollars to pay for the crimes of Wall Street and war is acceptable. They think that the refusal to save the estimated 2.4 million people who will be forced out of their homes by foreclosure this year is justified by the bloodless language of fiscal austerity. The message is clear. Laws do not apply to the power elite. Our government does not work. And the longer we stand by and do nothing, the longer we refuse to embrace and recognize the legitimate rage of the working class, the faster we will see our anemic democracy die. 

The unraveling of America mirrors the unraveling of Yugoslavia. The Balkan war was not caused by ancient ethnic hatreds. It was caused by the economic collapse of Yugoslavia. The petty criminals and goons who took power harnessed the anger and despair of the unemployed and the desperate. They singled out convenient scapegoats from ethnic Croats to Muslims to Albanians to Gypsies. They set in motion movements that unleashed a feeding frenzy leading to war and self-immolation. There is little difference between the ludicrous would-be poet Radovan Karadzic, who was a figure of ridicule in Sarajevo before the war, and the moronic Glenn Beck or Sarah Palin. There is little difference between the Oath Keepers and the Serbian militias. We can laugh at these people, but they are not the fools. We are.

The longer we appeal to the Democrats, who are servants of corporate interests, the more stupid and ineffectual we become. Sixty-one percent of Americans believe the country is in decline, according to a recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, and they are right. Only 25 percent of those polled said the government can be trusted to protect the interests of the American people. If we do not embrace this outrage and distrust as our own it will be expressed through a terrifying right-wing backlash.

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“It is time for us to stop talking about right and left,” McKinney told me. “The old political paradigm that serves the interests of the people who put us in this predicament will not be the paradigm that gets us out of this. I am a child of the South. Janet Napolitano tells me I need to be afraid of people who are labeled white supremacists but I was raised around white supremacists. I am not afraid of white supremacists. I am concerned about my own government. The Patriot Act did not come from the white supremacists, it came from the White House and Congress. Citizens United did not come from white supremacists, it came from the Supreme Court. Our problem is a problem of governance. I am willing to reach across traditional barriers that have been skillfully constructed by people who benefit from the way the system is organized.”

We are bound to a party that has betrayed every principle we claim to espouse, from universal health care to an end to our permanent war economy, to a demand for quality and affordable public education, to a concern for the jobs of the working class. And the hatred expressed within right-wing movements for the college-educated elite, who created or at least did nothing to halt the financial debacle, is not misplaced. Our educated elite, wallowing in self-righteousness, wasted its time in the boutique activism of political correctness as tens of millions of workers lost their jobs. The shouting of racist and bigoted words at black and gay members of Congress, the spitting on a black member of the House, the tossing of bricks through the windows of legislators’ offices, are part of the language of rebellion. It is as much a revolt against the educated elite as it is against the government. The blame lies with us. We created the monster.


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By drbhelthi, October 20, 2011 at 3:58 am Link to this comment

@ ofersince72
Comprehensive summary.
Who are the owners of the “Federal Reserve”?

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By steve, October 18, 2011 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment
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I have been subject to Gang Stalking, and they seems to know my location and hear my conversations. I believe is through phone, but is it possible when speaking at vicinity of any phone cell or landline the conversation could be picked up? In case of my phone I could take the battery out.

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By lefty avenger, October 14, 2010 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment
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Sounds like the tale of two cities.

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By ofersince72, August 29, 2010 at 3:18 am Link to this comment

Cris, why do you always beat around the bush?

Let me explain real short for you, Progressive Democrat.

“Yearning For Facism” ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Obama can’t stop social security reform, or really
can’t do much of anything else either.  Cris, we don’t
own this country anymore. The ones that hold our national
debt now own this country and dictate policy, which
the lawmakers and the president have to follow. Pretty
much like what the World Bank and the IMF did to all of
the Latin American countries, and all of the Central
African countries, and many Asian countries, get them all
in debt, then dictate policy. It really doesn’t matter
if Barrack Obama, or Sara Palin is president, or if we
have a Democrat or Republican Congress, it is going to be
the same.  This really amusing media game is all for show
and I really didn’t believe that I would have to explain
it to Cris Hedges, former New York Times Journalist.
  So keep pretending that Rachael and Keith, and Stewart
and Colbert are our friends, keep pretending that
General Electric and Viacom are nicer than Murdock and
keep pretending that the airwaves aren’t 100% controlled,
and keep pretending that all the non-issues of fear politics are real issues. Go ahead Cris. Keep pretending
that all of the Sunday morning political talk shows are
meaningful discussions if it makes you feel better.
Keep pretending that the Palin and tea baggers Glen Beck
show isn’t contrived by all the media whores and MSMs
if it makes you and your so called Progressive Democrat
followers be able to have condescending attitudes or the
haughtiness that some seem to have by holding on to this
stupid belief perpetuated by the media whores.
But the bottom line is Cris, none of this matters, we
don’t own this country anymore, that is why we can’t stop
the wars…..
It is not our military…..we just pay for it
It is not Congress’s military….they just appropiate $$$
It is not the president’s military…he just gets a title.
It belongs to the ones that are profiting from these
military adventures and military industrializations, and
they are also the ones that own a good portion of our
debt.  So we will have the 1984, perpetual war..didn’t
you get it???  So there is no YEARNING…cris.
Now, go read The Times, the WAPO , and watch all the
MSMs so you might be the most informed person in the world.  And don’t believe for a minute that they are
making non-issues, issues.
GOD BLESS AMERICA.
FROM THE RADICAL LEFTY LIVING IN THE “SHOW ME” STATE.

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By Steven, July 24, 2010 at 11:58 pm Link to this comment
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@99: Well, based on evidence I’ve seen I have to
disagree with you on 2 things:

1. Most the foaming far leftists, as well intentioned
as most of them may be, are unfortunately being used
as nutty pawns of a sort{or at least most of them
are}.

2. But as for the rabid far right? The elites don’t
hate them, no, in fact, they LOVE them. Why?

A. They make up the majority of the troublemaking
groups. Organizations like the ‘Aryan’ Nations, ‘The
Order’, ‘Christian’ ‘Identity’, ‘Phineas’ Priesthood,
NSWPP, even the old-as-the-f***ing-hills KKK and
Jewish Defense League, have ALL played a role in the
elitist network.

B. Has anybody ever noticed that the far right has
infiltrated certain sectors of our government? Not
just the police or National Guard. I’m talking about
a SERIOUS of compromisation here; it has even gone up
all the way to the level of the FBI, CIA, and even
our National Security Agency. I am NOT kidding,
folks, it is THAT bad.

C. I’m sure a lot of you folks have noticed the
destruction of many of our liberties in the past 10
years….........here’s a little tidbit: evidence has
come out that the 1968 gun control act intro’ed by
then Sen. Tom Dodd{D-CT}, may have been inspired by a
German law that had been approved…......in 1938.

D. And finally; they’ve even infiltrated the 9/11
Truth movement….........
People you should watch out for include:
Eric Hufschmid, Jimmy Walther, Chuck Baldwin, Mike
Delaney, and Texe Marrs, and many, many others.

That’s it for now, folks, but I hope I have brought
some additional insight into just how serious and
grave our problems really are.

Some websites that I’ve come across that appear to be
genuinely for the exposing of crimes in general are:

spitfirelist.com{Dave Emory’s website. Very good
information all-around for the most part, and you can
get a few free e-books, too! grin}
take-over-world.info{HUGE respository of stuff you
can download, and LOTS of good info about 9/11,
Israel/Palestine, fascism, etc.}
ifamericansknew.org{Definitely a good website if
you’d like to take an alternative look at the
Israel/Palestine conflict}
http://www.newsmakingnews.com/{Another great site}

And finally, maebrussell.com{This website is what got
me started learning the truth….......sadly, I had
spent the past 2 years believing all sorts of disinfo
and believe me, it isn’t fun to learn you were
screwed with. Mae Brussell was THE very first person
to have a truly alternative radio show….......about
25 years before Alex Jones, in fact! Simply, the
creme de la creme; the best of the best, in my humble
opinion}

Thanks for your time, everyone…..........and good
night. wink.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 2, 2010 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

1. Still no violence and almost no arrests attributed to the Tea Party protesters.

2. Last week, police had to clear Lafayette Park across the street from the White House because DADT protesters became so rowdy.

Obviously Hedges, Robinson and ITW have their collective heads up their ideologies.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 28, 2010 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

I’ve been warning for months that denigrating the Tea Party protesters is a monumental mistake.

In place of simply and respectfully listening to protesters most in the media and the democratic party have accused the protesters of being loons, racists, Nazi’s and dangerous.  Here’s the problem.  Many of these protesters are “independent voters”.  In other words; the people who actually decide elections!

Last week’s Pew Poll holds plenty of bad news for all in the congress. Congress’s favorability ratings stand at 25%, the lowest in the poll’s nearly three decade-long history. The Pew Poll also found that the more upset independents are about the current state of politics, the more likely they are to throw out the Democrats. The independents that are most upset favor Republicans 66% to 13%.

I will say it again.  Denigrating these protesters is a monumental mistake.  Listening would have been much simpler and less costly.

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By drbhelthi, April 26, 2010 at 12:35 am Link to this comment

Hear, Hear !!!
Nor will the election of a ½ Negroid person to the US presidency,
via world-wide sympathy for the abuse of the Negroid race by
English-German-Spanish-heritage, USA politicians, bring about the
needed change.

Nor will Genocide of Middle-East Moslems, via israeli-dictator and
CIA control of the US military and US politics accomplish the
desired goal.

Nor will the CIA manipulation of bankruptcy in Greece, with the
attempt to pull-in Germany and bankrupt the EURO also, accomplish
the desired change.

Nor will Mrs. Angela Merkels sucking-up to the Obama-CIA-agenda,
and speeding up the collapse of the EURO and the EU, accomplish
the desired goal.

The desired goal will be accomplished only via the practice of the
Christian belief, not the “fronting” of the belief while practicing
satanism.

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By Boyd, April 25, 2010 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

“For this revolution is not, in fact, concerned with
liberating us from our poverty and misery, but rather
from our wealth and our totally excessive prosperity.
It is not a liberation from what we lack, but from
our consumerism in which we are ultimately consuming
our very selves. It is not a liberation from our
state of oppression, but from the untransformed
praxis of our own wishes and desires. It is not a
liberation from our powerlessness, but from our own
form of predominance. It frees us, not from the state
of being dominated, but from that of dominating; not
from our suffering, but from our apathy; not from our
guilt, but from our innocence, or rather from that
delusion of innocence which the life of domination
has long since spread out in our souls.” - Johann
Baptist Metz, “Christians and Jews After Auschwitz”

The disease that Matt Taibbi diagnoses in “Will
Goldman Sachs Prove Greed is God?” is far deeper than
he imagines. It is a sickness in the social soul
which all of us share and which can only be healed
through the revolution which Metz envisions for us.
The “prosperity” which is the unquestioned goal of
virtually every conscious decision made is precisely
the sickness that is destroying us, beginning with
the corruption of reason into a pure instrument of
acquisition. Mother Earth cries out in compassion for
her lost children who are unable to understand the
sacrifices required for life to flourish. We have
turned ourselves into machines fueled by other men’s
greed and only by embracing poverty of spirit can we
be saved.

The word that best characterizes this revolution is
conversion, but not the purely privatized conversion
presented by Christianity Incorporated, that wholly
owned subsidiary of the transnational corporations. A
private conversion that has no social ramifications
is a pure fiction for those who inhabit an
inescapably political landscape of domination and
subjugation. Such is the delusion of innocence that
rots our souls with idealistic fetishes presented as
true salvation in the mega-churchs, those mega-malls
of spiritual consumerism. Jesus should once more to
overturn the stalls of these buyers and sellers of
spiritual fraud. The prayer that God will gladly hear
is the one that crucifies our false prosperity built
on the exploitation of those little ones whose deaths
we casually encompass for the sake of our SUVs.

This indeed is the conversion for which we long. This
conversion is like an electrical shock which reaches
deep down into the direction our lives are taking,
that “damages and disrupts our immediate self-
interest” (Metz). This is the revolutionary “bread of
life” for which we hope. We can embrace this
conversion only when we are able to break the chain
of immediate self-interest, the chain which Goldman
Sachs gleefully wraps around itself and the
government it pretends to obey. This sickness eats
into our reason to the point that Goldman Sachs
executives declare that, “The injunction of Jesus to
love others as ourselves is an endorsement of self-
interest.” - Matt Taibbi. This was said in
the context of defrauding an entire country of its
budget and plunging it into social chaos.

God calls to us to shed this false wealth that makes
us lackeys of financial domination, of that world of
“greed without limit” that is casting its shadow over
us and to which we must succumb if we cannot change
our hearts and the heart of our society.

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By ScottSchneider, April 23, 2010 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

After today’s enactment of Arizon’s Anti-Immigration Law, the wisdom of Chris’s warning is perhaps clearer:

http://scottschneider.dbetv.com/arizona-passes-anti-immigration-law-390

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By J. C. Sweet, April 13, 2010 at 8:25 am Link to this comment
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Mr. Hedges:
Let me paraphrase Benito Mussolini, leader of the first modern Fascist State: Fascism is, a corporate capitalist political economy supported by state militarism.  Sound Familiar?

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By Go Right Young Man, April 12, 2010 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

Another of the myriad of examples of violence
and/or intolerance so many are frightened of?

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“Gov. Bobby Jindal’s chief campaign fund-raiser
is recovering from injuries she suffered in a
Friday night altercation with a group of people
after a Republican fundraiser in the French
Quarter, the governor’s office said Monday.”

“Allee Bautsch suffered a broken leg and her
boyfriend suffered a concussion and a fractured
nose and jaw in the incident.”

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By Go Right Young Man, April 10, 2010 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

LOL…you have forgotten that I called BULL**** first.

Why is it that you keep insisting I MUST produce links to incidents I have described, yet you continue to offer no assistance in locating the incidents you have repeatedly described? 

I have repeatedly, written that I have failed to locate any evidence that Tea party protesters have used the terms “Nigger” and “fagot”.  You insist it happened but have been unable to produce, or even direct me toward, anything tangible.

Why continue to demand of me what you refuse to do yourself?  Just wondering.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 10, 2010 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

ITW, - “What strikes me as odd is you won’t post links”

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I’m sorry, however, you’ll have to do it yourself.  I’m done putting in the time others won’t take themselves.  No offense toward you personally. 

Query: John Kerry+bill Maher. 

You’ll find the “Bulls***” I’ve been writing about on the first results page of any search engine of your choosing.

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Post Script.  Your being unaware of a situation does not make it “Bulls***” smile  It only makes you unaware.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 10, 2010 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

What strikes me as odd is you won’t post links, and you’ll NEVER find the evidence you’re looking for on Fox’s web sites.

I’m STILL waiting to see the link proving John Kerry advocated killing a US President.  I call “Bulls***” and say “Prove it!”

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By Go Right Young Man, April 10, 2010 at 7:27 am Link to this comment

ITW,

More to the point of the Hedges article, and just for chuckles, try querying the following: Clinton+Fascism or Bush+Fascism or Carter+Fascism or Truman+fascism.

There is nothing new under the sun, my friend.  Only bias, short sighted, myopic journalism.

In light of what you find.  How is Chris Hedges’ or Eugene Robinson’s opinion pieces anything new?  How is today’s “Hate Speech”  deserving of being unequally or uniquely frightening or appalling?

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And I can find no verifiable evidence that today’s protesters have used the words Nigger or Fagot.  All I’ve located are numerous accounts of the same three (3) people making claims about a single incident after more than a year of protests.  Does this not strike you as somewhat odd?

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By Go Right Young Man, April 10, 2010 at 7:01 am Link to this comment

ITW, _ “I have not heard about an arrest for the threat against Cantor’. - ‘Nor have I heard about LEFTIST protesters burning Obama in effigy, nor about flag-burning since, oh, George Bush was President—the ELDER George Bush.”


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Any Search engine of your choosing.

Query: Threats against Cantor
Query: President Bush burned in effigy
Query: President Clinton burned in effigy
Query: John Kerry+bill Maher
Query: Gabriel Range: Death of a President
Query: Google Image: Bush+Nazi
Query: Kill Bush
Query: Hate Bush or Hate Clinton or Hate Reagan or Hate Carter.

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The most recent DNC talking point is the sudden danger of new right-wing violence, and the inflammatory push-back against health-care. I’m sorry, but all this concern is a day late and a dollar short. The subtext is really one of class — right-wing radio talk-show hosts, Glenn Beck idiots, and crass tea-party yokels are foaming at the mouth and dangerous to progressives. In contrast, write a book in which you muse about killing George Bush, and its Knopf imprint proves it is merely sophisticated literary speculation; do a docudrama about killing George Bush, and it will win a Toronto film prize for its artistic value rather than shock from the liberal community about over-the-top discourse.

Socialism and totalitarianism are tough charges from the hard right, but they seem to me about as (or as not) over-the-top as Al Gore screaming “digital brown-shirts” or John Glenn comparing the opposition to Nazis. When 3,000 were murdered in Manhattan, and Michael Moore suggested Bin Laden had wrongly targeted a blue state, I don’t think that repulsive remark prevented liberal politicians from attending his anti-Bush film premiere. Yes, let us have a tough debate over the role of government and the individual, but spare us the melodrama, the bottled piety, and the wounded-fawn hurt.

Like it or not, between 2001 and 2008, the “progressive” community redefined what is acceptable and not acceptable in political and public discourse about their elected officials. Slurs like “Nazi” and “fascist” and “I hate” were no longer the old street-theater derangement of the 1960s, but were elevated to high-society novels, films, political journalism, and vein-bulging outbursts of our elites. If one were to take the word “Bush” and replace it with “Obama” in the work of a Nicholson Baker, or director Gabriel Range, or Garrison Keillor or Jonathan Chait, or in the rhetoric of a Gore or Moore, we would be presently in a national crisis, witnessing summits on the epidemic of “hate speech.”

So here we are with the age-old problem that once one destroys decorum for the sake of short-term expediency, it is very hard to restore it in any credible fashion on grounds of principle when the proverbial shoe is on the other foot. A modest suggestion: If the liberal community wishes to be more credible in its concern about contemporary extremist anti-administration rhetoric, then they might try the following: “Please, let us avoid extremism and do not fall into the same trap as Baker, Chait, Keillor, Gore, Moore, or Range when they either expressed open hatred toward their president, or speculated about the assassination of their president, or compared their president to a fascist. We must disown such extremism, past and present.”

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By Inherit The Wind, April 9, 2010 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:

I’ve said it before: Violence against our elected officials is a CRIME and needs to be treated as such.  I have not heard about an arrest for the threat against Cantor.  I did hear about the bullet hole, but it was due to some a-hole randomly firing a gun into the air.

Nor have I heard about LEFTIST protesters burning Obama in effigy, nor about flag-burning since, oh, George Bush was President—the ELDER George Bush.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 9, 2010 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

ITW,

I know I said that you would get the last word, however, more information has come to light.

Apparently threats against congress has risen 40% of late.  Of course the -always liberal all the time- Washington Post neglected to quote the Sargent at Arms saying that these threats, while mainly concerning the new Health-Care legislation, appeared to be coming from both sides of the issue.

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CNN ran a segment last evening, with accompanying video, of protesters 300 Ft. from the White House the same day as Nancy Pelosi’s “Symbolic March” and the Tea Party protests.

This new video of protesters from the Left displayed a burning American flag, Obama being hung and burned in effigy, shouts of “Death to America” - “This is what should happen to the United States” - and “Anarchy Now”.

There is also the recent revelation that an individual has been arrested this week after threatening the life of Congressman Cantor.

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So I will write it again.  People such as Eugene Robinson and Chris Hedges are bigots who seem to believe that one can single out groups of people as being either Bad or Good, Smart or Stupid people.

And still nobody can deny the vitriolic hatred, name calling and ill will that is daily spread on almost every thread on TruthDig.

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No single group can be singled out for it’s Good and Bad behavior.  To think otherwise is, by definition, bigotry.  Plain and simple.

Post script:  If the Tea Party protesters had displayed the first Negro American President being hung and burned in effigy almost the entire media establishment, along with the Democratic Congress, would run with the story of the Evil, Racist, Right Wing Kooks outside the White House.  <—You know this to be correct, yes?

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By David Jeremiah, April 8, 2010 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment
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Thank You for your update. Herewith some refreshment on the same matter:Global Economics and You: America is Collapsing: http://bit.ly/aIsKuJ

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By Inherit The Wind, April 8, 2010 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:
(chuckle!)

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By Go Right Young Man, April 8, 2010 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

wink

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By Inherit The Wind, April 7, 2010 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

And you are the one still reading the myopic
rantings of the teenager in his parents
basement, Shingo…...LOL

You win!
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With THAT you made me laugh! Because you are right—why AM I still reading it?  And for that I thank you!

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By Go Right Young Man, April 7, 2010 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

I have to tell you.  You are, by far, the one
with the superior intellect.  You will,
unquestionably, take the word of three
Washington politicians about being called nasty
names.  You need no confirmation before
repeating their claims.  You simply know it is
as they say. I bow to your powers of divining
the truth.

And you are the one still reading the myopic
rantings of the teenager in his parents
basement, Shingo…...LOL

You win!

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By Go Right Young Man, April 7, 2010 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, April 7 at 10:30 pm

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Written by an individual with strong opinions
yet keeps coming up empty. LOL…..

Offer something.  Anything of substance.  Any
examples that can be verified by others of the
claims you have made. Otherwise you are wasting
both our time.

You get the last word.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 7, 2010 at 7:36 pm Link to this comment

DR. PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS IS QUITTING JOURNALISM BECAUSE THE FAKE-LEFTIST SITES COUNTERPUNCH, COMMONDREAMS, ALTERNET AND ANTIWAR WON’T ACCEPT HIS 9-11 INSIDE JOB ARTICLES (LEFT-GATEKEEPERS ARE FUNDED BY US GOVERNMENT)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSE9sssRRY&playnext_from=TL&videos=U7YBhDUbOds

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By Inherit The Wind, April 7, 2010 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

GRYM;
So…if YOU assert that the Earth is flat, you don’t have to prove it’s flat, but I have to prove it’s not flat?

OK. George W. Bush was the WORST President America EVER had, and Barack Obama is THE BEST President since Lincoln.  I stated it. It’s a fact. Now it’s up to YOU to disprove it.

The Great Pumpkin picks the perfect pumpkin patch, then emerges from it on Halloween to fly around the world giving candy to boys and girls.  It’s up to YOU to prove me wrong.

Imagine if that was how a court of Law worked.  You are accused of a crime.  Nobody has to prove you actually did it.  No evidence, no witnesses, just an assertion. It’s up to YOU to prove you didn’t do it.

That is the logical absurdity you have presented and continue to defend.

No wonder this nation went into the WORST economic decline since the Great Depression when your heroes were running things, with that kind of “logic”.

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By Redwein, April 7, 2010 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

Wanted to submit a question for tomorrow’s q&a but unable to access.  I just get a blank page with an oblong rectangle across the top.  What’s up?  Is the q&a closed already?

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By Go Right Young Man, April 7, 2010 at 4:23 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, April 7 at 5:45 pm

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It’s interesting that you say all that.  Because what you describe is you.  You offer nothing on this subject but your strong opinions.

I can find no evidence that what you and others are claiming is true. You yourself have been unable to offer tangible and verifiable examples that Tea Party protesters have conducted themselves as you and others claim. Dodging that fact repeatedly is, well, either disingenuous or, at the least, ambiguous.

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I will not do the 7 minutes of search it would take for you to see my claims first hand.  If you are that incurious then WHAT, pray tell, are you even writing about? 

My examples of horrendous behavior are tangible, verifiable, and easy to locate.  I cited very distinct examples. I am under no obligation to go out of my way for you.  I will simply write what I know to be factual.  As I always do.  I repeat.  I will not lift a finger to do the homework for you or anyone else.

I do not write or opine on what I cannot prove.  Do your own homework and know what I know.  failing that you are only opining and pretending to be shocked over protesters words and actions. 

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You too seem a smart individual.  But you are still not discussing these matters with honer, Sir. I can’t be any more frank than that.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 7, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:

You keep asserting the same things without facts, and then claiming they are facts….Sorry guy, but logic and debate don’t work that way.

You just seem totally incapable of understanding.  I don’t get it. You seem like an intelligent guy.

I don’t expect you to AGREE with me—I don’t care if you do or don’t.  I EXPECT you to be able to support your assertions and your conclusions based on those assertions.

If you can, I will be forced to re-evaluate my own positions—it’s happened.  If you cannot, your position is meaningless.

Consequently, your current position is meaningless.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 7, 2010 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

Sharon: Even though you are right, about the excess of debating over irrelevant gossips of both capitalist mafia-cartels (Democrats and Republicans), you said that you are tired of “isms”.  But i don’t understand why you reject the fact that countries are ruled by Political-Systems, and that governments in this world have indeed a political-philosophy and are not governed by pure passion and emotions.  That’s like baking a cake, you need a scientific recipe to bake it.  And in order to fix our reality we need a theory, a philosophy and a scientific-analysis and plan on how to fix it.  The USA has a capitalist-system, and this stage of capitalism is called “Monopoly-Capitalism”, or Neoliberalism, or Corporate-Capitalism.  It is a stage of capitalism where only the big businesses can make a lot of money, while small-businesses and the proletariat class (US workers) are beating the bullets economically.

For Monopoly-capitalism we need a plan, a medicine. And that medicine is not progressive-liberalism (Capitalism with a human face), that medicine is socialism.  Socialism (The Dictatorship of the proletariat) is the only solution for USA.

I am an absolute mechanicist, determinist marxist-leninist, and I believe 100% in the theory of Historical Inevitability of Socialism in the USA.  According to some Marxist-Scholars in America capitalism will collapse and will be replaced by socialism (The Dictatorship of the proletariat) around the year 2050.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 7, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

Hello all:

I just have a simple question for you about a real change in the USA.

How and when do you think that a Socialist Party can rise to government power in USA and change USA from capitalism to a socialist workers state.

Because to tell you the truth i am damn tired of capitalist-America, of Mcdonalds, Burger Kings, Wendies, and KFC all over the place, of big hulking smelly SUVs and big trucks spending gas like there is no tomorrow.

Of constant dollar devaluations (which lowers our personal liberty), of constant wars which also leads to poverty, unemployment and misery here at home, and of lack of personal-satisfaction and progress because who can progress and move foward in a capitalist american system where you have to be rich to join a College, and where every thing is so expensive and economically-banned and prohibited for the general american population.

Capitalist-America is literally a jail for the majority of US citizens, it is a death-penalty impossed by force on all americans, because in US elections we don’t have choices to choose between socialism, monarchy, fascism or capitalism.  The only real options in USA are 2 narco mafia capitalist cartels (Democrats or Republicans).

It is time to have a socialist system like Venezuela in the USA

Thanx

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By Go Right Young Man, April 7, 2010 at 7:35 am Link to this comment

ITW- “All you have are ASSERTIONS, not facts.”

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Call them what you will.  That Game interests
me none.  The fact is you have not been able to
disprove my “assertions”.  Nor have you been
willing to show evidence of your own.

You have a small few people (democrats you are empathetic toward) who have made “assertions”
and you claim those assertions are what they
claim.  No film.  No sound bites.  No witnesses
to speak of.  Not even with DOZENS of media and democratic aids filming Ms. Pelosi’s Symbolic March.

On the other hand every one of my “assertions” of hateful, violent or untoward behavior are tangible and provable for all to see.

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Nearly all of the so-called Left applauded when the previous president was unable to complete the time-honored walk to the capital on inauguration day 2001 due to items being thrown from a few in the crowd.  It was the first and only time in history the opposition displayed such hatred and violence.

Howard Dean supporters LOVED it when he openly spoke of his “hate” for Republicans.

Bill Maher did not chastise Sen. Kerry as going to far when the candidate for President suggested he could kill “One at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave” to make a point about war.

And nobody from the so-called Left, including yourself, has come close to suggesting that perhaps Nancy Pelosi’s “symbolic march” was probably not the best choice for her photo-op.  Unless, of course, vitriolic confrontation was the agenda of Speaker Pelosi.

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Your indignation regarding the actions or unkind words coming from opposition protesters rings hollow to even the most casual observer.

No one group has a monopoly on Good and Bad
behavior.  To think otherwise is, by its very
definition, Bigotry!

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By Inherit The Wind, April 6, 2010 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

What facts? All you have are ASSERTIONS, not facts.  It is not my job to prove your assertions are false—it is YOUR job to prove they are true, and then I may challenge that proof.

I cannot simply assert “The Earth is Flat” and then say “Prove me wrong!”  That is what you do and all you do.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 6, 2010 at 6:17 am Link to this comment

ITW,

“You are going to have to PROVE John Kerry ever
called for violence against the President.  I
call “bullshit” on that as well.”

**Sen. John Kerry on the Bill Maher program. 
Look it up!**

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“If you don’t know the difference between
calling someone “Nigger” versus calling someone
“Re-thug-lican” or “Democ-RAT” then you have
shown your moral bankruptcy once again.”

Complete nonsense. Bigotry is bigotry.  It
matters none if you personally agree with the
offended.

We are both entitled to our opinions, yes.  The fact is, however, you have presented no facts and have, so far, been unable to dispute even a single fact I have shared.

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You have repeatedly issued your opinions on the
Tea Party crowd calling your side of the isle
Niggers and/or Fags, HOWEVER, you have not
shared a single shred of evidence that these
things have taken place.

In the mean time I have presented unequivocal
examples of hate speech and violence from the
political left.

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The former head of the DNC openly tells people
that he “Hates Republicans”.

Hate speech IS, I Fact, what so many do when
they refer regularly to “Rethuglicans” and
“Repugs”. - In Lieu of Fagot or Nigger.

Inciting violence is Sen. John Kerry openly
talking of killing someone at 1600 Pennsylvania
Ave. in order to make a point about war. 

Hate speech and talk of violent harm to another
is seen on this Web site daily. - along with
the wish that Vice President Cheney shoot
himself in the face. 

Twisted, violent and unhinged behavior can be
seen in the first President-Elect in American
history unable to walk to the Capital on
Inauguration Day due to things being thrown at
him by political opponents. 

If you, ITW, or anyone can top these tangible
and proven examples of hatred and violence feel
free to jump right in.  Otherwise your simply opining.

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Your honer is as real as your perceptions of politics.  Having some understanding of this can change your entire life!

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By Inherit The Wind, April 6, 2010 at 5:20 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, April 5 at 6:07 pm #

ITW,

Hope against hope I was hoping for an honorable
dialog.  You resist it like an illness.

You gave no honest answer to even one of my questions.  You dodge and gyrate around the most basic and obvious “cause and effect” simply in order to lay down with the correct side of politics.  Simply put; you do not like the “other side”.  Reality be damned.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I evaded NOTHING. You didn’t get the answers you pre-programmed with your leading questions? Not MY problem!

You remind me of Folktruther, who would simply invent and post pure bullshit about me and pretend it was the truth, even though it had no connection with reality.

You are going to have to PROVE John Kerry ever called for violence against the President.  I call “bullshit” on that as well.

If you don’t know the difference between calling someone “Nigger” versus calling someone “Re-thug-lican” or “Democ-RAT” then you have shown your moral bankruptcy once again.

Do I have to spell it out?  Being Black or Gay is NOT a choice.  Being Republican or Democrat is a choice.  As a “Conservative” you should believe that we are responsible for our choices and as we reap the rewards, so should we suffer the penalties.

You are entitled to your own opinion.  But you are NOT entitled to your own facts.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 5, 2010 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

You have your belief system in which you opine on regularly.  I have the reality of living and breathing human beings to draw upon.  Let us compare realities.

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Hate speech is Howard Dean telling a group of people that he hates Republicans. We can all tangibly prove Gov. Dean “hates” a very large group of human beings.

Hate speech is what so many do when they refer
regularly to “Rethuglicans” and “Repugs”. - in lieu of fagot or Nigger. - Tangible and proven.

Inciting violence is Sen. John Kerry openly talking of killing someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in order to make a point about war.  A “liberal Senator” advocating death to a political opponent. Tangible. Proven. Unequivocal.

Hate speech and talk of violent harm to another is seen on this Web site daily. - along with the wish that Vice President Cheney shoot himself in the face.  Tangible. Unequivocal.

Twisted, violent and unhinged behavior can be seen in the first President-Elect in American history unable to walk to the Capital on Inauguration Day due to things being thrown at him by political opponents.  Tangible. Violent. Unhinged. Hate-filled. - Provable.

If anyone can top these tangible and proven examples of hatred and violence feel free to jump right in.

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True and raw hate speech is witnessed on this very Web site each and every day.  Not a soul alive can deny this is so.

There is no monopoly on Good and Bad behavior amongst groups of people.  This is tangible and unequivocally provable.

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By sharonsj, April 5, 2010 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment
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So after a respite I came back to read all the newer comments and what do I find?  A major argument over why Nancy Pelosi walked through a belligerent crowd.  Who the hell cares?  Maybe she did it to prove a point.  But it has nothing to do with solving the serious problems this country faces.

Then there are postings so long-winded and complex that just the attempt to translate them tires me out.  I don’t care about debates over which “ism” is correct.  I don’t subscribe to conspiracy theories.  I say the answer is quite simple: the country is for sale to the highest bidder.  And the power elites can get away with it because most human beings are downright ignorant.

Before the Tea Party even existed, I woke up one day and realized that I was completely enraged over a long list of terrible problems, from hacked voting machines to banking fraud.  The mainstream media hardly mentioned things that mattered, preferring to dwell on Michael Jackson or “American Idol.”  If you listened to pundits, the screamfests over abortion and gay marriage were much more important than the dismantling of our jobs.  Anti-war protests were hardly mentioned while Tea Party antics made headlines.

I don’t know whether to give up or start collecting bottles from the local bar to make Molotov cocktails.  I think this is the crossroads where many of us now stand.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 5, 2010 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

Hope against hope I was hoping for an honorable
dialog.  You resist it like an illness.

You gave no honest answer to even one of my questions.  You dodge and gyrate around the most basic and obvious “cause and effect” simply in order to lay down with the correct side of politics.  Simply put; you do not like the “other side”.  Reality be damned.

You have your belief system. I’ll take honer over politics. I’ll take on the real, every-day working and living human interaction over the television, newsprint and Internet. Unequivocal.

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Yelling Nigger and Fag in public is deplorable.  I will be the first to speak out, both in public and here, when I see it.  When you or anyone else holds some tangible evidence that the Tea Party crowds are prone to it, display it RIGHT HERE in this post for all to see.

Otherwise all you have is a small few on your side of politics making claims that never seem proven.

Good day.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 5, 2010 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

Thank you.

Go Right Young Man, April 5 at 8:18 am #

ITW,

Well then I must apologize.  I thought the
issues you had been commenting on, after my
having repeated the questions three times,
would suffice to make clear exactly what we
were discussing.

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The issue, as you very well understood, had
never been about Pelosi’s right to conduct a
“symbolic march” after a legislative victory.

The issue was why, after Ms. Pelosi had
previously said that she feared violence from
the Tea Party crowd, did she choose to march
her members directly through the violent
protesters?

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And I answered it: She’s a politician looking, like all of them, for press.  It’s still a semi-free country and she SHOULD be able to march.  See Dr. MLK and Mohandis K. Gandhi for further insight into the use of non-violence.

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I had also, three times and very directly,
asked if you held an opinion on, what you
believe, might have happened if Vice President
Cheney had marched Donald Rumsfeld and Paul
Wolfowits directly through the many crowds of
Anti-Bush/Cheney protesters?

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And I answered as well. You really must pay better attention.

They have the SAME right as Pelosi and I do not and never will defend the use of violence in that situation. 

I went on further to specify that calling names that reflect ones actions, like “Murderer!” or “Socialist”(as a nod to your side) is perfectly legitimate, but calling someone “Nigger!”, “Faggot!” or “Kraut!” is definitely NOT acceptable and DOES qualify as hate speech.  This is to help you differentiate between what is and is not acceptable—to draw the line, so to speak.

I FURTHER say that ANYONE advocating and inciting violence instead of lawful protest deserves the full weight of the law on their head.

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Let me know if these questions remain ambiguous to you.
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And I suggest if these answers are somehow still ambiguous to you, you’ll need to brush up on your rhetoric skills.

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By lyco, April 5, 2010 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

Unfortunately, Chris, you appeal to the same political establishment, within the framework of the same liberal solutions, that led to the crisis you depict: “If we do not immediately reincorporate the unemployed and the poor back into the economy, giving them jobs and relief from crippling debt, then the nascent racism and violence that are leaping up around the edges of American society will become a full-blown conflagration.” The Washington concensus has indeed shown its bankruptcy. We are at a crossroads, but the alternatives are not fascism and more of the same, but rather “fascism” and the emergence of a revolutionary leadership/movement of the grassroots that can pose a clear and realistic alternative to fascism. There are some promising starts, all issue-oriented as of now, directed against Obama’s neoliberal project.

On the other hand, I don’t believe a fascist movement is about to take power in the U.S., although a totalitarian, right wing government is in the offing… in fact, that rightward drift, presaged by Samuel Huntington’s call for an end to “excessive democratic expectations,” has been the tendency since the end of the postwar boom.

Unlike the European fascist movements, with their bonapartist leaders, which seized power to save a shaky ruling class, the ruling class in the U.S. is and has been firmly in control. In fact, they have rather skillfully played off the liberal left and fascist right, fanning the flames of fear of “big government” and “socialism,” on the one hand, and the end of bourgeois legality and the “welfare state [sic],” on the other. This distinction is important in one sense, and I think you miss this. In the absence of the kind of mass fascist movement that occurred in Germany, Spain or Italy, there is room for struggle at the base.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 5, 2010 at 6:31 am Link to this comment

As I have written in the past; it’s a foolish
and bigoted mistake to label the Tea Party
protesters as a fringe movement.  Huge mistake!

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April 5,

Tea Partiers Are Fairly Mainstream in Their
Demographics -Gallup/USA Today

43% of Tea Party protesters are self-proclaimed
Independents - The people who actually decide
national elections.

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I will write it again.  It’s a monumental
blunder, and also Highly Bigoted, to denigrate
the people who will decide the direction of the
nation in next election cycle.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 5, 2010 at 5:18 am Link to this comment

ITW,

Well then I must apologize.  I thought the
issues you had been commenting on, after my
having repeated the questions three times,
would suffice to make clear exactly what we
were discussing.

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The issue, as you very well understood, had
never been about Pelosi’s right to conduct a
“symbolic march” after a legislative victory.

The issue was why, after Ms. Pelosi had
previously said that she feared violence from
the Tea Party crowd, did she choose to march
her members directly through the violent
protesters?

I had also, three times and very directly,
asked if you held an opinion on, what you
believe, might have happened if Vice President
Cheney had marched Donald Rumsfeld and Paul
Wolfowits directly through the many crowds of
Anti-Bush/Cheney protesters?

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Let me know if these questions remain ambiguous to you.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 4, 2010 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment

USA IS NOT HEADING TO FASCISM !! USA IS FASCIST SINCE 1776.  USA WAS FOUNDED BY RACISTS AND FASCISTS !!

http://www.brianwillson.com/martin-luther-king-jr-assassinated-42-yrs-ago-apr-4-1968-601-pm-ct/

US ORIGINS In Genocide/Extermination:

But this policy of eliminating people, whether in the form of genocide of whole peoples, or of key individuals who possessed followers, when they are perceived in the way of White Man’s “progress” – prosperity for the few through expansion at any cost – has been the guiding cultural ethos of USAmerica since our origins.

Starting in 1600s:

The British arrived in Jamestown, VA in 1607. A policy of intentional extermination of the native population began almost immediately. “Hundreds of Indians were killed in skirmish after skirmish. Other hundreds were killed in successful plots of mass poisoning. They were hunted down by dogs, ‘blood-Hounds to draw after them, and Mastives to seize them.’ Their canoes and fishing weirs were smashed, their villages and agricultural fields burned to the ground. Indian peace offers were accepted by the English only until their prisoners were returned; then, having lulled the natives into false security, the colonists returned to the attack. It was the colonists’ expressed desire that the Indians be exterminated, rooted ‘out from being longer a people upon the face of the Earth.’ In a single raid the settlers destroyed corn sufficient to feed four thousand people for a year. Starvation and the massacre of non-combatants was becoming the preferred British approach to dealing with the natives.” [Stannard, D. E. (1992). “American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World.” NY: Oxford University Press, p. 106].

Long before Thomas Jefferson’s desire to “exterminate” the Indians,  and George Washington had said that Indians were “wolves and beasts” who deserved nothing from the whites but total ruin, the MASSACHUSETTS BAY COLONY in 1630 made it illegal to “shoot off a gun in any unnecessary occasion, or at any game EXCEPT an Indian or a wolf.” [Stannard, D. E. (1992). “American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World.” NY: Oxford University Press, pp. 240-41].

“Founding Fathers”

In 1812, Thomas Jefferson, now a senior sage out of office, concluded that White Americans were “obliged” to drive the “backward” Indians” with the beasts of the forests into the Stony Mountains”; in 1813 Jefferson stated that the American government had no other choice before it than “to pursue [the Indians] to extermination, or drive them to new seats beyond our reach.” In other words, the Native Americans are to be given the choice “to be extirpated from the earth” or to remove themselves out of the White Americans way. Thus, to the majority of White Americans the choice for Indians was one of expulsion or extermination.  [Stannard, D. E. (1992). “American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World.” NY: Oxford University Press, p. 120].

Scalping Bounties

Extermination was officially promoted by a “scalp bounty” on dead Indians. “Indeed, in many areas it [Indian-killing] became an outright business.”

Thomas Jefferson, writing to his Secretary of War in 1807, instructed that any native resistance to U.S. expansion into their territories should be overcome militarily, with the object that the Indians be “exterminated, or driven beyond the Mississippi.” This was sound policy, he claimed, because “in war, they [Indians] will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them.” [Churchill, W. (1997). “A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas, 1492 to the Present.” San Francisco: City Light Books, pp. 150, 181-182].

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 4, 2010 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

TOWARD A SOVIET USA. THE AMERICAN SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT

http://www.marxists.org/archive/foster/1932/toward/06.htm#asg


WHEN the American working class actively enters the revolutionary path of abolishing capitalism it will orientate upon the building of Soviets, not upon the adaptation of the existing capitalist government. Capitalist governments have nothing in common with proletarian governments. They are especially constructed throughout to maintain the rulership of the bourgeoisie. In the revolutionary struggle they are smashed and Soviet governments established, built according to the requirements of the toiling masses.

The building of Soviets is begun not after the revolution but before. When the eventual revolutionary crisis becomes acute the workers begin the establishment of Soviets. The Soviets are not only the foundation of the future Workers’ State, but also the main instruments to mobilize the masses for revolutionary struggle. The decisions of the Soviets are enforced by the armed Red Guard of the workers and peasants and by the direct seizure of the industry through factory committees. A revolutionary American working class will follow this general course, which is the way of proletarian revolution.

The American Soviet government will be organized along the broad lines of the Russian Soviets. Local Soviets, the base of the whole Soviet State, will be established in all cities, towns and villages. Local Soviets combine in themselves the legislative, executive and judicial functions. Representation, based on occupation instead of residence and property, comes directly from the shops, mines, farms, schools, workers’ organizations, army, navy, etc. The principle of recall of representatives applies throughout. Citizenship is restricted to those who do useful work, capitalists, landlords, clericals and other non-producers being disfranchised.

The local Soviets will be combined by direct representation into county, state, and national Soviets. The national Soviet government, with its capital in Chicago or some other great industrial center, will consist of a Soviet Congress, made up of local delegates and meeting annually, or as often as need be, to work out the general policies of the government. Between its meetings the government will be carried on by a broad Central Executive Committee, meeting every few months. This C.E.C. will elect a small Presidium and a Council of Commissars, made up of the heads of the various government departments, who will carry on the day-to-day work.

The American Soviet government will join with the other Soviet governments in a world Soviet Union. There will also be, very probably, some form of continental union. The American revolution will doubtless carry with it all those countries of the three Americas that have not previously accomplished the revolution.

The Soviet court system will be simple, speedy and direct. The judges, chosen by the corresponding Soviets, will be responsible to them. The Supreme Court, instead of being dictatorial and virtually legislative, as in the United States, will be purely juridical and entirely under the control of the C.E.C. The civil and criminal codes will be simplified, the aim being to proceed directly and quickly to a correct decision. In the acute stages of the revolutionary struggle special courts to fight the counter-revolution will probably be necessary. The pest of lawyers will be abolished. The courts will be class-courts, definitely warring against the class enemies of the toilers. They will make no hypocrisy like capitalist courts, which, while pretending to deal out equal justice to all classes, in reality are instruments of the capitalist State for the repression and exploitation of the toiling masses.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, April 4, 2010 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

ACCORDING TO THE SOCIALIST-PHILOSOPHER IMMANUEL WALLERSTEIN, IF THE WORLD DOESN’T BECOME SOCIALIST, WE MIGHT SEE A MAD MAX FEUDALISM SCENARIO LIKE MEL GIBSON’S MAD MAX MOVIE !!

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090323/wallerstein

I have not studied Wallerstein, so I’m curious about his “socialism or barbarism” view, what does he mean by a worse system?

I understand worst-case scenarios, like an inter-imperialist war going nuclear or biological leading to a kind of ‘Mad Max’ feudalism, but worst-cases are rare and not much to base your theory on. In the last 100 years we’ve seen some major crises and world wars that lead to new rounds of accumulation. How are things significantly different today?

As I see it, there are two new factors in play here: resource and environmental exhaustion, which can only be overcome by large-scale planning, and the widespread IT infrastructure, which makes possible economic planning beyond the dreams of the 1930s. Both of those tend toward socialist solutions.

I don’t really understand how a large-scale break down of accumulation leads to something which is exploitative and hierarchical and not capitalist and not socialist, unless he’s talking about the “Mad Max” scenario. Even that would seem to lead back to capitalism.

Wallerstein is not saying that socialism is inevitable which was the position of mechanical marxist predictions in the past about the demise of capitalism. The Second and Third International prophecies about the end of capitalism tied together the thesis of the “inevitable end of capitalism” with the thesis of the “inevitable emergence of socialism.”

The latter was deterministically thought as a result of the former. In Wallerstein we have the thesis of the “inevitable end of capitalism” without the “inevitable emergence of socialism.”

As a matter of fact, Wallerstein is very insistent on the problem that the new historical system that emerge might be worst than capitalism and that all will depend on our agency and political struggles in the next decades. The thesis of the inevitable end of capitalism as a historical system that have lasted 500 years, is very well argued by Wallerstein not in THE NATION essay but in his books

Immanuel Wallerstein sees capitalism like other historical systems in the past: they rise and demise, they have a beginning and they have an end. The Roman Empire was a particular form of world-system that Wallerstein calls World-Empire and that lasted one-thousand years.

The Modern World-System is a particular form of world-system that he calls a capitalist world-economy and that so far have lasted more than 500 years. He explains in detail how historical systems end out of its own systemic contradictions.


In his recent books, Wallerstein has analyzed at length in what consist the contradictions that are going to lead to the end the present capitalist world-system (read his work to find out more about his analysis because it is impossible to summarize here).

However, there are important epistemological issues involved here. Wallerstein’s perspective represents a revolution in the social sciences because of his challenges to the analytical TIME/SPACE unit that informs most of social scientists today.

If you think about capitalism as many traditional social scientists, that is, from a nation-state unit of analysis, the argument Wallerstein is making does not make any sense. But if you take the global system, or as he says, the world-system as the unit of analysis with its large scale and long-term structures, then his argument is very coherent and easier to understand.

One of the points made by Avakian in his so-called new synthesis is about internationalism. He claims that the international system is decisive over the national context. Well, I find dishonest that Avakian does not acknowledge here the contribution and influence of Wallerstein on this point.


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By Inherit The Wind, April 4, 2010 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

Try, just this once, and with honer, try
answering my direct questions.  Breaking with
TruthDig tradition, a tradition you yourself
heavily engage in, and have a true conversation
with someone whom who you do not agree with.

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Now you are being totally sophist and flatly dishonest. I asked you TELL ME what YOU think the issue is, and you respond with an attack on honor for the umpteenth time.

I asked you a totally honest question: What is the topic I’m avoiding.  And…you AVOIDED answering it, repeatedly! Why is that? (rhetorical question—I know you won’t answer meaningfully).

If you cannot answer a simple question like that, where I was not even asking what your position is, just what you think the topic is, then NOBODY here is going to see you as engaging in legitimate debate.

The only dishonest and dishonorable one is you, GRYM.

And I’ve wasted enough time on this with you.

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By John Hutchinson, April 4, 2010 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Mr. Hedges:

You state…

“The Balkan war was not caused by ancient ethnic hatreds. It was caused by the economic collapse of Yugoslavia.”

This argument is akin to saying that WW1 was not caused by the petty nationalisms, the imperial competition, breakdown of the balance in the balance of power arrangements, even ennui among other things.  But rather to say it was caused by the
assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

By some chance, I was connected to Croats in the mid-70s who demonstrated these odd and inexplicable animousities.  They spoke of street fights in the streets of Toronto.  One spoke of how towns were such that walking from block to block and one experienced a different dialect. 

I cannot speak of all the causes of the Balkan Wars as I have not looked at in depth.  However, it is Yankee cultural blinders that always takes the pretexts of economic dissolution as underlying causes for events.  I do sense that Tito could only keep the country together by strong-arm and draconian autocracy.  And with the dissolution of the Soviet threat, that which kept the various groups in alliance against a common Soviet adversary, was no longer in play.  Furthermore, when many families have had grandmas and grandpas killed by their adversaries in times past (i.e. WW2, WW1, Balkan Wars prior to WW1 etc), don’t be surprised if the latent motives for honour revenge come hurdling out the moment the screws are loosened.

Finally, there is something to be said for the argument that the more statist a country is, the more prone toward civil war.  If a large part of the scope of human endeavour is in the control of the state, the greater the importance of controlling the Commanding Heights.  Men, with any spirit in them, cannot abide living by an inordinate number of external rules that have no internal resonance within themselves. 

This I find is the problem with your writing.  You are really good at the insight of reportage but are questionable as to depth of analysis.  Furthermore, your ideological convictions have analytical blinders.

Yes, the lower classes have been receiving the shaft.  But they are not particularly a noble lot neither, but have degraded in parallel manner as all other segments of society. 

When I was 17, I was irked by the relative truth and morality ethos that was being put upon us by leftist teachers in the public school.  It was consciously apparent that if such be true, then the purpose and value of knowledge is futile; learning is futile; truth and good is that which turns one’s crank or gets mankind through the dark night of existence.  I am sure that others did sense, even semi-
consciously,  this intellectual and psychological logic of philosophical skepicism.  If knowledge is pointless, is it any wonder that there is no seriousness left?

Your understanding of the Christian Right is out to lunch.  From the moment Puritans touched these shores, there was always Dominionists; in far greater numbers than now.  And most Protestants by the early 18th Century had rejected that political model.  But I suspect that most people are taught that serious US history didn’t begin until the Revolutionary War.

Dominionism is a concern.  It is the reverse and reaction of the fear of persecution and oppression that gave rise to the Christian Right in the late 70s in the first place.  It can easily be theologically destroyed, especially by showing the inconsistency with Scriptures and the internal logical absurdities in a kindly but scathingly humourous manner.

It is more likely that this big bogeyman that you portray is going to implode out of the theological and moral rot that lies within and lose moral authority like the Christian left, than become the handmaiden of tyranny.  If the latter scenario does happen, it is because the rot is complete.  We will experience something like the behavioural and ideological totalitarianism of the Late Roman Empire.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 4, 2010 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

ITW.

Once again you changed the subject.  As you well
know “name calling” is not my nature.

Try, just this once, and with honer, try
answering my direct questions.  Breaking with
TruthDig tradition, a tradition you yourself
heavily engage in, and have a true conversation
with someone whom who you do not agree with.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 4, 2010 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

You have a terrific knack for avoidance when
you find yourself on feeble ground.  In place
of addressing the issue straight on you
repeatedly change the subject.  That is no way
to display true passion for your stated
positions.

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And what IS the issue I’ve missed?  I’m not being deceptive: I thought you were attacking Pelosi for walking AS IS HER LEGAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT through a crowd of loud, yelling tea-baggers and therefore (it is your contention) that SHE instigated House members being called “Nigger!”, “Faggot!” and one being spat upon.

If I am incorrect, please explain just what you think the issue is that I’m supposed to be skirting.  Enlighten me, and save name-calling for when it’s earned, not simply when you cannot prove a point.  I get enough of that from Ardee and TD3.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 4, 2010 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

ITW, - “So, you think a politician should avoid
getting press?  Or should only DEMOCRATIC
politicians be held to the standard of avoiding
getting press?”

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As you well know I wrote nothing of the kind.

You have a terrific knack for avoidance when
you find yourself on feeble ground.  In place
of addressing the issue straight on you
repeatedly change the subject.  That is no way
to display true passion for your stated
positions.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 3, 2010 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

Now TDers should read the latest yearner for fascism: Omop.  I believe every TDr from GRYM to Shingo will condemn this neo-nazi’s stereotypical attacks on ALL Jews, not merely Zionists (which, as Calabashe points out, is a political view).

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By Inherit The Wind, April 3, 2010 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, April 1 at 7:52 am #

ITW, - “ITW, - “Uh, I dunno. Maybe because the Protesters were between and where she works, the Capitol?”

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I neglected to mention that Speaker Pelosi’s office (where she works and where House members normally caucus) is located in the Rayburn office building.  Not the Cannon office building, where she began her “Symbolic March”, which took her fear filled members Directly Through the protesting crowd.
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So, you think a politician should avoid getting press?  Or should only DEMOCRATIC politicians be held to the standard of avoiding getting press?

I know of only ONE politician who avoids getting press, and, unfortunately, he is MY congressman, a Republican, and he wouldn’t stand out in a crowd of two. He’s the most do-nothing congressman on the Hill and consistently ranked one of the least effective.  Without even discussing his politics, he just plain SUCKS at the job of representing our district, which, Dem or GOP, is what he is SUPPOSED to do!  The guy he replaced, also GOP was actually very effective and good for the district.  Unfortunately, he died of cancer, which forced him to withdraw from the 1994 race.  The nothing even has a name that goes back to the Revolution: Frelinghuysen, aka “Do Nothing Rodney”.

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By maninwarren, April 2, 2010 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

http://trueslant.com/stephenwebster/2010/03/30/tx-county-teaching-kids-government-is-out-to-harm-them-makes-parents-unsuitable/

I realize stuff like this is going on all over the US, but this is a powerful illustration of the police-state insanity taking hold in this country.

NOTE: I tried sending this via the “feedback” page on truthdig, but then got an email saying it couldn’t be delivered.  I hope Chris Hedges reads his comments.

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By Alan MacDonald, April 1, 2010 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment
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Jean, Hedges, Sheldon Wolin, and Andrew Bacevich are all prophets—- regarding the impact that the global corporate/financial.militarist Empire is having on our country and our world.

Best,
Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine

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By Jean, April 1, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges is a prophet…  I believe him.

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By Maxim, April 1, 2010 at 9:26 am Link to this comment
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Maxim
There is a kind of confusion when the author declares, referring to a certain Fritz Stern “a scholar on fascism” that “in Germany there was a yearning for fascism before fascism was invented”: a happy turn of phrase but but somewhat inaccurate. If only because of the confusion between “Fascism” and “National-Socialism” which have very different roots as well as doctrines. As regards Germany and in accordance with the real objective of the Versailles Treaty, the conditions were calculated to prevent a prompt German recovery: as this country had to pay some 132 bn of Deutsche Mark (Gold) which indemnity could only and possibly be fully extinguished in….1988 (in the meantime amended by the Dawes and Young plans then de facto cancelled).                            It should have been probably wiser to take into account (from France and England namely) that this situation should unavoidably condemn any democratic regime to economic and social stagnation keeping alive a spirit of resentment and revenge (the American Congress did not accept to ratify this treaty).                              But further on and in order to summarize intricate developments one should remember that there was in Germany and this, until 1932, harsh political but also physical continuous struggles between communists and left leaning socialists on the one hand, and “the right” on the other hand, the latter keeping in memory the hard revolutionary fighting in 1918 and 1919. Let us also remember the violence of the “Spartakists” in Berlin in 1918 (Karl Liebknecht, Rosa Luxemburg, Clara Zutkind and Karl Radek sent by Moscow ) as well as the bloody communist revolution in München with Kurt Eisner-Lewenstein (killed on 21st Febr 1919 by the young count Arco-Valley) immediately taken over by three Russian political commissioners, Levin, Lewiene and Axelrod.                              If” (the unmistakable “if”) the Reichswehr had not been dismembered and limited to a kind of passive border guard, under strict French supervision with direct consequences i.e.the Bolshevik attempts to take control of East Prussia but also the Poles, eager to use their freshly recovered but disparate army, there should not have been kind of “sponateneous” generation of German “irregular forces”: the Spartakist and Communist revolutions should have been almost impossible in a well-organized state but in 1920 the state was in a state of near collapse deprived of any real authority.This violent period left a residual influence on the German society generating the unavoidable re-action and it is only in 1933 after a decade of clashes between political factions but also the world crisis of 1929 with a stunning unemployment rise, that national-socialism could only get off the ground.
In his article, the author exposes the dangers of a latent “fascism” in the United States but in Western Europe where unemployment also reaches too a high level, it could possibly drift toward a left-leaning socialism while in the Unites States, the “working class” ( or what’s left of it) is more inclined to a kind of unbridled extreme-right . Especially as it is possible in most states to own weapons, contrary to Europe where it is strictly controlled if not forbidden.
There is also and right now, the poisonous example of Wall Street, with its “toxic assets”, subprimes framework, hazy hedge funds etc drawing the wrath of the “new poor people” .
In case of serious social trouble, the government should be obliged to call in the National Guard or event some Army Units with the ensuing dangers. Of course this is not an apology of any “ism” regime as the Wall Street wealthy people should anyway go through, unscathed: “unforeseen circumstances excepted ? “
Maxim

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By Go Right Young Man, April 1, 2010 at 4:52 am Link to this comment

ITW, - “ITW, - “Uh, I dunno. Maybe because the Protesters were between and where she works, the Capitol?”

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I neglected to mention that Speaker Pelosi’s office (where she works and where House members normally caucus) is located in the Rayburn office building.  Not the Cannon office building, where she began her “Symbolic March”, which took her fear filled members Directly Through the protesting crowd.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 1, 2010 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

ITW, - “Uh, I dunno. Maybe because the Protesters were between and where she works, the Capitol?”

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Yes. I’m sure you’re right.  Speaker Pelosi had No Choice but conduct her “symbolic march” directly through the protesting crowd when she did and where she did.

After she herself had helped to drum up fear of violence from the Tea Party crowd her CHOICE to march directly through the crowd was only a matter of “necessity”.  We can be sure Her Choice to conduct this “Symbolic March” was not intended to incite the crowd.  We can be sure Ms. Pelosi, who claimed to fear these people, was only doing what she thought was Right and Best for her members and the country.

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And after several dozen Tea Party protests all over the nation for many months, with nary a sign of racism, no signs of violence or destruction of property, on this single occasion we should simply trust that this SINGLE crowd of protesters started yelling racist remarks.

Interesting how none of these things were caught on film.  All the while democratic aids and several dozen from the media were there to document the ENTIRE symbolic march.  Interesting how not a single reporter witnessed these heinous acts themselves.  We should simply trust that this ONE CROWD acted in ways they never had before.  We should simply trust that they took place because a few democrats claim it did.

Interesting too is how the National Park Service stated that after last year’s Tea party protests, where tens of thousand of people congregated, they were amazed at how clean the grounds were after the protesters departed. - Usually the grounds are completely trashed after such gatherings.

It’s fascinating that these unruly, nasty, and violent “Tea Baggers” actually took the time to clean up after themselves.

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By bogi666, April 1, 2010 at 4:17 am Link to this comment
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Brain D., you’ve got it right Americans have been brainwashed into MINDLESSNESS, the inability to discern thought from facts. Laziness is the main reason and in the USA MINDLESSNESS it’s MINDLESSLESS to the 10th power because Americans take the thoughts of others as their own facts. Being a society conditioned into being NARCISSISTIC, CONSUMERIST, GLUTTONS with a philosophy of “I’m not responsible, god told me or Satan made me do it but I’m not responsibile”. This false doctrine is fostered by, especially the churches, business and government which give the “I’m not responsbile…...” legitimacy. The practice of this doctrine is readily observable by watching TV.

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By drbhelthi, April 1, 2010 at 2:28 am Link to this comment

The concept that “Democrats and Republicans are
driven by opposite forces” might be a bit more
explained.  Both are driven by the desire for power
and the desire to govern, or “rule.”  That they
allegedly had “opposite” political philosophies -
perhaps thirty years ago - is in my opinion still a
bit overstated. 

While the philosophical concept of “democracy”
differs from that of “socialism,” in actual practice
they still reflect the underlying desire of the
“leadership” of either to control, manipulate and
rule.  When we compare the CURRENT “democracy” of
the US NAZI/israeli-oligarchy with the “socialism”
practiced in the Republic of Germany - - ? 

The German leadership has not attacked any nation in
oil-theft activities, nor are they forcing socialism
on any nation, under the guise of “freeing the
populace from its abusive leadership.”  Nor does
swapping a masculine anus for a feminine vagina fit
my concept of “freeing woman-hood.”  Nature assigns
excrement to the anus, regardless of gender.  Nature
assigns child-bearing only to the female, with
motherly characteristics.

German involvement in NATO, perhaps also the UN,
tends to tarnish their otherwise clean world-stance. 
Here again, the NAZI/CIA/Israeli PR-subterfuge that
underlies “NATO” simply reflects power-grabbing,
power-maintaining with its associated, militaristic-
genocide-debauchery & assassination of specific
individuals.  Here again, the top socioeconomic level
of “elitists” always “have the floor.”

The genocide that has accompanied “U.S. Democracy”
since the NAZI take over, beginning 1945,
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm                                                 
joined by the Israeli tribe in the 1970s, reflects
neither the democratic nor the republican philosophy. 
It reflects, perhaps more, the history of the Israeli
tribe, which was continued by the dunce from Austria, and
which has not stopped..  The “effective PR” of the
NAZI system inflicted the German folk and the world
with the dunce´s “Mein Kampf.”  Of course, with
financial assistance of political and business
leaders of Europe and stooges in the USA. The family
Bush, for example.

This time, the same NAZI-type, “effective PR”, once
again enforced by the same top-level-elitists, has
over-run the naivete of American folk instead of
German folk.  Nor does this PR, with its elitist
ownership, reflect the desire of patriotic Americans! 
Nor patriotic Germans !  Nor the patriotic folk of any land !

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By BR549, March 31, 2010 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment
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Chris, you said it all with the statement, “Our problem is a problem of governance.” Crappy managers, like those sleezy ones we see in places like MacDonalds and WalMart, always seem to trash those beneath them to better themselves. They never do understand that management is in control and has only itself to blame when things go wrong. That’s when, with managers possessing personal
responsibility skills, they either change THEIR actions or they resign.

What’s missing in the present picture? Competence? Could it be that our politicians, too much like used car salesmen, are too consumed in their commission checks to ever consider whether their customers were getting what they signed up for?

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By Inherit The Wind, March 31, 2010 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, March 31 at 10:05 am #

ITW,

I’m sorry.  The below post should have read:

Why, do you believe, did Pelosi chose to walk her Members (with video cameras at the ready) directly through a crowd of upset protesters when she could have chosen to perform their symbolic march in dozens of other places
and at any other time?

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Uh, I dunno. Maybe because the Protesters were between and where she works, the Capitol?

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By elisalouisa, March 31, 2010 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

TAO Walker I cannot disagree with your post in any way. The nature of the beast is such that one must have a tough skin to be part of Truthdig. I am sure you have that TAO Walker however, you may wonder, as others have, if your efforts are being put to good use. Who can say? Remember, as gerard said, “You never know
where thoughts take root.”

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By L Murray, March 31, 2010 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment
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One wishes that one could “report this” if the post lacks logic, but sadly that won’t get it taken off. Please tell me the post from “Cheryl Merrill” was a joke…right? No one could actually be that confused about history and politics.

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By mic jor, March 31, 2010 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment
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Chris you have to avoid the brown acid it is a bummer.
You are much too young to be worrying about stuff like
this.  Go back on Olberman and look cute as a little
bug !

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 31, 2010 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

COMRADE CARL DIX FROM THE REVOLUTIONARY COMMUNIST MAOIST PARTY OF USA TALKING ABOUT THE USA POLICE HELL AND HOW EVIL THIS CAPITALIST SYSTEM IS IN USA, HOW PEOPLE ARE KILLED EVERY DAY BY FAT-COPS ON STEROIDS !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40dodNHMMko

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 31, 2010 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

ALEX JONES TALKS ABOUT THE LATEST FALSE-FLAGS OF RUSSIA WITH WEBSTER TARPLEY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjbYXlUBqoM


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By MikeNYC, March 31, 2010 at 11:15 am Link to this comment
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From the election of Ronald Reagan, the country slowly started it’s course toward Fascism.  By electing George Bush twice, it was clear that the country was emulating the beginnings of the German Reich.  Invasion of other countries on a false pretext, reminiscent of Poland in 1939.  Dictating who can and cannot marry, like the marriage laws prohibiting Aryans from marrying Jews.  Anything goes warfare including all types of torture, repeating the SS and German Military.  Little by little our liberties have disappeared without anyone noticing.  The current administration may attempt to stop it, but the fact remains that conservative America is determined to have a kind of controlled and manipulated society similar to the Third Reich.  They are selling it just as the NSDAP did in the 1930s, convincing people through propaganda and massive rallies (see the tea party rallies) that this is the salvation for America.  If people don’t wake up soon, we will soon enter the Germany of 1940.

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By sam, March 31, 2010 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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This article bothers me. The fall of America is not going to be caused by crazy poor and middle class Americans who are so angry they burn the country down. This is just a reaction to the real cause of our destruction: the centralized policies of the banking and corporate elite and their cronies, our politicians. All I can say is Ron Paul 2010. On second thought, Cynthia McKinney would be awesome as well. I had to laugh that Americans actually thought the empty rhetoric of “Hope and Change” would mean anything good for the average American. All that gibberish meant was that the elite bankers were hoping for more change in their pockets. And they got it.

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By LEROY FERGUSON, March 31, 2010 at 7:57 am Link to this comment
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Despite the fact that both parties are beholden to
corporations, they are driven by opposite principles.
History Prof. Dee Andrews of Cal. State U. explained
those driving forces well in a letter to the Mar. 29
issue of The New Yorker.

Democrats, he noted, believe in “civic intervention
otherwise called government regulation and
progressive taxation.” Republicans seem to believe
that fiscal policy should protect the acquisition of
wealth.

When I go to the polls, I vote on those Democratic
principles, which I hold dear - and just hope that
they will somehow prevail.

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By suds mcduff, March 31, 2010 at 7:51 am Link to this comment
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Goriight:
“One can wonder what might have happened if Dick Cheneyhad done the very same (riled the crowd for effect) inthe midst of an anti-Bush/Cheney protest.  Do you thinkCheney would have been spat upon and called names?

Would you also have an opinion on that?”

——Anti Bush protesters were commonly segregated to areas away from rallys and the media coverage….should the Dems do the same?

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By suds mcduff, March 31, 2010 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
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Re:GoRight
“Andrew Breitbart is UPPING THE STAKES: $100K to United Negro College Fund if Rep Lewis shows evidence of anyone yelling the N-Word at CBC at last weeks Capitol HCR protest.”

——And the spitting incident?

“I’m curious if anyone here holds an opinion as to what motivated Nancy Pelosi to lead House Members to “symbolically” march directly through the protesting crowd with congressional aids and the media filming?  Pelosi’s symbolic photo opportunity could have taken place anywhere at any other time of her choosing.  Why walk directly through the protests?”

——When do you think the protesters would have abandoned their places? Midnight, perhaps?
Perhaps they should be relegated to certain areas, as anti Bush protesters were?

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By One Little Victory, March 31, 2010 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

I usually find Hedges to be even too far off the deep end for me, and I am pretty far to the left. In this case, while I think he is over the top on the Democrats (as usual), he none the less raises some very good points.

I won;t highlight everything here (I put some musings down in my blog), but think he raises some very interesting questions on how we affect the change this nation so desperately needs.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 31, 2010 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

ITW,

I’m sorry.  The below post should have read:

Why, do you believe, did Pelosi chose to walk her Members (with video cameras at the ready) directly through a crowd of upset protesters when she could have chosen to perform their symbolic march in dozens of other places
and at any other time?

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By Marc Schlee, March 31, 2010 at 6:29 am Link to this comment
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Under representative democracy, the order authorizing your murder is never more than a signature away.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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By Go Right Young Man, March 31, 2010 at 4:43 am Link to this comment

ITW, - “Duh! She’s (Pelosi) a POLITICIAN! They LOVE
parades and she would have done it even if there
weren’t protesters.”

Why do you believe Pelosi chose to walk her Members directly through a crowd of protesters with video
cameras at the ready when she could have chosen to
perform their symbolic march in dozens of other places
and at any other time?

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By Alphysicist, March 31, 2010 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

Truedigger3,

  Yes I agree.  I used the term “liberal media” to designate a subset of the corporate media.  This includes, New York Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe, etc.  I am fully aware that Foxnews and so forth are another subset of the same corporate media.  I think their founders understood the (justifiable) anger certain groups of people feel against the “liberal media”, and capitalized on it, without actually creating anything which would compromise the status quo.  In the run-up to the Iraq war I was actually convinced that Foxnews and NYTimes are beating the same wardrums, the differences were only in the style in which the news were reported, which can be attributed to the different cultural habitats of the viewers/readers.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 31, 2010 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, March 31 at 7:00 am #

ITW,

It may be helpful to simply answer my original questions.

What do you think motivated Nancy Pelosi to lead House Members to “symbolically” march directly through the protesting crowd with congressional aids and the media filming the Entire Episode?
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Duh! She’s a POLITICIAN! They LOVE parades and she would have done it even if there weren’t protesters.

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Pelosi’s symbolic photo opportunity could have taken place anywhere at any other time of her choosing.  Why walk directly through the protests?
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Same answer.

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I would also add these questions.  What do you think would have happened if Dick Cheney had walked Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowits directly through the middle of an anti-Bush/Cheney march or protest?  Do you believe they would have been spat on and called hurtful names?
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“Hurtful” names? Like what can you call either Bush or Cheney that compare to “Nigger!” and “Faggot!”...“WASP!”??????? 
Don’t you understand? Attacking people for things they don’t choose like race and sexual orientation isn’t the same as attacking them for things they DO!

As for physical attacks: I cannot and will not defend UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES violence against our elected and appointed Government officials. Period. 

I have NO problem with protesters calling for Bush or Obama to impeached. Why should I? Impeachment is a LEGAL procedure.  I may object to it being used in a particular case (as I felt an impeachment of Bush would both fail and hurt the Democrats), but it is not only LEGAL but CONSTITUTIONAL and I do not question the right of citizens to call for it.

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I see nothing fascistic in asking questions.  I have a few more questions for you if you honorably try and tackle the first few.
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I never said there was. But your premises showed a fundamental disregard for the foundation of our freedom.

You use the word “Honor” to liberally and loosely for one who bends facts into pretzels.  Clean your own house first. You’ve attacked MY honor too many times for me to have any respect for you.  But ask rational question and I will respond to them in kind.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 31, 2010 at 4:00 am Link to this comment

ITW,

It may be helpful to simply answer my original questions.

What do you think motivated Nancy Pelosi to lead House Members to “symbolically” march directly through the protesting crowd with congressional aids and the media filming the Entire Episode? 

Pelosi’s symbolic photo opportunity could have taken place anywhere at any other time of her choosing.  Why walk directly through the protests?

I would also add these questions.  What do you think would have happened if Dick Cheney had walked Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowits directly through the middle of an anti-Bush/Cheney march or protest?  Do you believe they would have been spat on and called hurtful names?

I see nothing fascistic in asking questions.  I have a few more questions for you if you honorably try and tackle the first few.

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By truedigger3, March 31, 2010 at 3:50 am Link to this comment

Alphysist wrote:
“Of course the Sarah Palins and co. tap into the justified anger of these people.  What is particularly dangerous is that the liberal media does not discuss this in context.  They write tirades against the Sarah Palins, without ever analyzing the causes”
___________________________________________________

Alphysist,

What you are calling, the “liberal” media, doesn’t exist.
It is neither liberal nor independent. It is owned and controlled by the ruling corporate powers, and consequently it will never shed a true light on the REAL reasons for the anger of the disenfranshised and it will never explain what is REALLY going on.

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By drbhelthi, March 31, 2010 at 2:10 am Link to this comment

Congratulations to Go Right Young Man, for having won
the pseudonym of “GRYM” from the scape-goating, kill-
the-messenger-types.  They think their comments are
the only ones that have the right to be posted. 
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete
when everything the American public believes is
false.” —William Casey, CIA Director (from first
staff meeting, 1981) as recorded by the great
American investigator/historian, Mrs. Mae Brussell.

Their “kill the messenger” posture fits right in with
the direction of the NAZI CIA and the israeli false
zionists who tossed in with them between 1970-1980. 
These groups are being “mis-used” as stupid
puppetry, by the double-hand-full of elitists who
rule the world.  The plan of the “dozen” elitists is
well delineated by Lesley Williams.  The alleged “new
world order” will not remove the greed of humans, it
is merely a manifestation of the greed of the self-
appointed, superior “elite” group of humans. 

This group of “elitists” were born like the rest of
us, will die like the rest of us, whose spirits will
take none of their wealth with them, like the rest of
us.  Meanwhile, their excrement stinks, just like the
rest of us. 

Meanwhile, their plan with efforts stink. NOT like
the rest of us.

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, March 31, 2010 at 2:02 am Link to this comment

Don’t leave TAOwalker ... we need all the voices of sanity we can find in a world gone mad.

I know this post is a bit confusing ... I’m suffering from horrendous allergies and am doped up, so bear with me:

Fascism ... Communism ... Socialism ... Capitalism ... the “isms” fly fast and furious whenever times get tough.  I am often amused by the “stark” differences one sees between all these ideologies.  One can only stand in amazement at the professed underpinnings of these movements when compared to how they actually work.  And it is truly interesting that both Fascism and Communism used “socialism” as their foundation (National Socialism vs. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics).  For example, when one steps back and looks at WW 2, you don’t really see a titanic battle between Fascism and Communism/Capitalism ... you see a war between personalities.  Germany was about Hitler, not Fascism.  It was about absolute power in the hands of the few.  Fascism was only a propaganda term used to justify this power.  The same goes for Soviet Russia.  It was about Stalin and his absolute control of that union.  Both sides were very willing to sacrifice huge swaths of their populations in a effort to own more and more territory.  Hitler was a megalomaniac ... so was Stalin.  In the end, it was about power to the few ... the “isms’ had little to do with it.

I guess what I’m saying is we need to get beyond the “isms” and understand what is really going on.  Throughout history, those with power and money have worked to increase their wealth and power.  It is that simple.  In America today, the people have been stripped of their influence and wealth by those in power.  There is no profound movement afoot here ... it is just a battle for wealth and influence between those at the top and the rest of us.  Fighting over the “isms” is just another way we allow ourselves to be distracted from the real issue.  As is always the case, we allowed ourselves to be placated by an illusion of power and some affluence.  We dropped the ball people, got fat, stupid and lazy, and let the greedy “elites” confuse and diffuse our power! We need to fight the uphill but necessary battle and rectify this situation.  Once we do, the “ism” war will fade away.

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By Alphysicist, March 30, 2010 at 11:33 pm Link to this comment

I think America is not yearning for fascism, but rather, for a civil war.  At least the disenfranchised working class does.  Essentially in the last decades we saw the deterioration of the middle and working classes such that inspite of America being a “democracy”, just about everything happened without the consent or out of the control of these people.  As within the rules of the present system they have no way of taking their fate in their own hands, not to mention, any chance of curing their ills, the answer is, unfortunately, potential violence. 

Of course the Sarah Palins and co. tap into the justified anger of these people.  What is particularly dangerous is that the liberal media does not discuss this in context.  They write tirades against the Sarah Palins, without ever analyzing the causes.  This is also very dangerous.

A side remark: I think the ethnic component in the dismemberment of Yugoslavia was non-negligible.  Yugoslavia was patched together by the winning powers of WWI without any regard to the culture or history of Mitteleuropa, and it turned out to be disfunctional.  It had a relative success during the 60s and 70s, mainly because it was a “misfit” among the Communist Bloc, therefore it had a more than favourable nation status from the west, and because of a successful tourist industry.  Many Western companies invested there (Adidas, for example).  One might not have been able to see the ethnic differences under the internationalist veil of communism (the communist upper class did much to homoeneize the country, and to stress a “Yugoslav” ethnicity, instead of Serbian, Croatian, etc.), but under the surface it was there.  Moreover, Yugoslavia (or Tito’s partisans) never really came to terms with their own post WWII past, when Italians, Hungarians, and Germans were either exterminated or deported (Foibe, Backa massacres).  In some places this amounted to the destruction of much of the educated class.

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By 99, March 30, 2010 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment
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PLEASE!  Chris!  I think you are marvelous, but PLEASE, get OFF your high horse
and climb a tree or something, because if you cannot see how beyond the pale
NOT lucid it is to call people protesting fascists “Nazi Brown Shirts” all is lost.

THE PEOPLE IN POWER ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS, NOT FRIENDS TO ANY OF US,
RABID CONSERVATIVE OR FOAMING LEFTIST OR ANYONE IN BETWEEN.

Thank you.

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By Scott Schneider, March 30, 2010 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment
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Chris is correct to point out the dangers. Even Norman Mailer would probably agree since he used the word “pre-fascist” to describe the USA post 9/11. Mailer also warned that fascism may be a more natural state of human government than republicanism.

The only technical error Chris makes – common in the arrogance of the Anglo- American tradition – is to refer to America as a democracy. It was never one, and was never intended to be. Populism was generally feared by the framers, with the possible exception of Thomas Jefferson (if one excludes his temporary reversal with the infamous Alien and Sedition Acts).

Representative government, yes. Democratic republicanism, if you like. As Benjamin Franklin famously cautioned,  “A republic, if you can keep it”. Even that is difficult enough. But democracy?

That was tried once, over 2000 years ago, with mixed results. Ironically the nation that invented and practiced democracy is now the epicenter in a huge global battle for economic and political freedom. For more, see:

http://scottschneider.dbetv.com/greece-general-strikes-militant-resistance-76

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 30, 2010 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

WE HAVE TO BE LIKE THE REVOLUTIONARY-ANARCHIST DURRUTI.  USA NEEDS MANY DURRUTIS TO DEFFEND THE COUNTRY FROM THE BOURGEOISE-CAPITALISTS WHO HAVE STOLEN THE USA FOR THEMSELVES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaih7UNURfE

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By Cheryl Merrill, March 30, 2010 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment
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OMG, you’ve got it completely wrong! It’s reverse - the liberals are the fascists!  Hitler rose, not on the backs of conservatives, but on that of liberals (citing Liberal Fascism, Jonah Goldstein). 

As someone who used to be a liberal who believed as you guys do, you’ve been brainwashed!  You are compartmentalized not to see the entire picture. For instance, think about why our gov’t has allowed so many illegal third world impoverished immigrants into our country, while advocating 50 million abortions the past few decades?  There’s an entire nation of babies who were killed and replaced with poor third world immigrants.  Jobs were shipped overseas!  America no longer has any production capacity to maintain itself so it’s involved in unjustified wars to fund itself.

There’s a much larger picture operating here. The Rockfellers, Rothchilds and other similar banking families have a very huge plan for our world and they have been slowly bringing America down incrementally. 

The problem is the Federal Reserve are private banking families who print out money with no value backing it up.  They buy out our politicians with the printing press they own. They fund both sides of wars throughout history.  We don’t have a real country any longer. The politicians do whatever they want and keep up an illusion of a democracy.  The two parties are one.

Obama is a wall street shill and his real name is Barry Sartaro.  He hasn’t produced a birth certificate. He was born in Kenya.  Our country has been taken over by criminals who have serious evil plans for our country worse then Hitler ever did.  Far worse due to technology available to them.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 30, 2010 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, March 30 at 2:47 pm #

ardee,

So you’re saying Speaker Pelosi did willingly attempt to instigate a clash between her House Members and the protesters.  The Speaker of the House deliberately placed her members into an already peaked and protesting crowd in order to produce an even larger media event.  If that was her intentions it certainly worked.
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GRYM, do you even UNDERSTAND the fascism you are advocating?  Are you saying an American citizen, indeed, a group of American citizens should NOT walk peacefully down the street because they are “provoking” the assholes who will curse at them, call them “Nigger!” and “Faggot!” and even spit on them?  That those assholes should be allowed, even ENTITLED to own the streets?  Talk about enabling!

For once I agree with Ardee in his assessment of your position. (maybe not the name-calling—this time!)

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 30, 2010 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment

LISTEN TO THIS MP3 BY CINDY SHEEHAN AND TEMIR PORRAS VENEZUELA VICE-MINISTER OF FOREING RELATIONS

http://sheehan.streamguys.org/SoapboxInternet03282010.mp3

Temir Porras - March 28, 2010 (SOAPBOX #55) - Cindy welcomes Temir Porras, Venezuela’s Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs, in charge of the Middle East and Asia.  In today’s world, Venezuela and its popularly beloved President, Hugo Chavez, are tarred as a “communist dictatorship” because of robber-class fears that his good example could give others ideas, too.  (Where would the world be if we let people realize that Hugo Chavez is beloved precisely BECAUSE he takes good care of all his people - not just the wealthy and powerful few.)  The National Endowment for Democracy is a Washington D.C-based non-profit, funded by the U.S. national budget to subvert real democracy wherever it threatens to stay established.  In particular they spend millions of dollars of taxpayer money every year in Venezuela to delegitmatize and destabilize Chavez’s democratically elected government.  The U.S. media, showing all their characteristic perspicacity and integrity, faithfully all spout this same “party line” and forbid any alternative view.  But not Cindy.  Today, with this absolutely marvelous interview, she gives us all some deeper insight into the realities of life and viewpoint in Chavez’s “communist dictatorship” - while back at home in “the freest nation on earth” our President keeps us safe by killing us - if we’re suspects - and all without any namby-pamby trials.  This perspective is worthwhile plus, and usually unavailable to us.


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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 30, 2010 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

TO ALL: READ THIS LONG THESIS AND ARTICLE ABOUT WHO ARE ENEMIES ARE, AND WHO ARE OUR FRIENDS IN THIS WAR AGAINST CAPITALISM !! (READ THE ARTICLE, IT’S LONG BUT IT’S WORTH TAKING YOUR TIME TO READ IT)

Read this article or print it if you want and share it with your family and friends who are beating the bullets economically and are confused about the solution. read this long article, it’s about who our friends are and who are our real enemies in this world-crisis against the global-elites, New World Order or Imperialist capitalist rulers (However u wanna call it), it’s a real great weapon for our anti-global elites revolution

http://www.frso.org/about/5congress/class.htm... Ver más

Class in the U.S. and Our Strategy for Revolution

(The following document is a portion of the political program of Freedom Road Socialist Organization. It was adopted at our 5th Congress. Other parts of the program are still in the process of development.)

To change society and end oppression, we need a plan to get from where we are now to liberation - a strategy that will work. Any successful revolutionary strategy must address the fundamental issue of who are our friends and who are our enemies and explain how we will go about uniting all who can be united to end the existing order of things.

We live in an era where capitalism has reached its final stage: monopoly capitalism, also known as imperialism. Monopoly capitalism is a doomed system whose continued existence stands in the way of all social progress. Huge corporations and financial institutions are headed by a wealthy oligarchy that dominates the political and economic life of this country, blocking the path to prosperity for the vast majority. U.S. companies are closing down factories here and exporting capital around the globe, to the detriment of all but themselves.

Our ruling class (the big capitalists and their hangers-on) has built an empire that spans the earth. Like vampires, they stand at the apex of a parasitic system that makes its home on Wall Street and sucks the blood of the Main Streets in the cities of the U.S. and villages of the developing world. They live on the labor, land and natural resources of others. Neither distance nor decency is a barrier to their drive to achieve the highest possible rate of profit. The world has been divided up between the big capitalist powers, which will stop at nothing to expand their spheres of influence and control.

Within our borders the monopoly capitalists have accumulated untold wealth based on the exploitation of the multinational working class and the systematic discrimination and robbery that is visited upon the oppressed nationalities.

We need to turn things upside down. This means revolution, a radical break that advances the cause of the exploited, that employs, in the words of Malcolm X, any means necessary. Working and oppressed peoples need political power. This power is the means to reorganize society in our own interests and dictate our terms to all who stand in the way. The seizure of power by the working class and its allies is the beginning of a great change, a transformation that continues until the end of all classes and all oppression.


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By D.R. Zing, March 30, 2010 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

Bowie wrote this circa 1979. It always sounds a little bit like “fascists” to me. 

Fashion
David Bowie
Scary Monsters

There’s a brand new dance
But I don’t know it’s name
That people from bad homes
Do again and again
It’s big and it’s bland
Full tension and fear
They do it over there
But we don’t do it here

Fashion - Turn to the left
Fashion - Turn to the right
We are the goon squad
And we’re coming to town
Beep-beep - Beep-beep

Listen to me - Don’t listen to me
Talk to me - Don’t talk to me
Dance with me - Don’t dance with me
No - Beep-beep - Beep-beep

There’s a brand new talk
But it’s not very clear
That people from good homes
Are talking this year
It’s loud and it’s tasteless
I’ve not heard it before
Shout it while you’re dancing
On the -er dance floor

Fashion - Turn to the left
Fashion - Turn to the right
We are the goon squad
And we’re coming to town
Beep-beep - Beep-beep

Listen to me - Don’t listen to me
Talk to me - Don’t talk to me
Dance with me - Don’t dance with me
No - Beep-beep - Beep-beep

Oop bop - do do do do do do do do
Fa fa fa fa fashion

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 30, 2010 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

Capitalism in Crisis: 160 years after the Communist Manifesto

http://www.frso.org/about/statements/2008/capitalism-in-crisis.htm

By Freedom Road Socialist Organization

“Modern bourgeois society,” wrote Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in the Communist Manifesto, “with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells.”

Marx and Engels, the founders of the modern communist movement, wrote those prophetic words in 1848, on the eve a great wave of social revolution that changed the face of Europe. Today, 160 years later, we are witnessing the deepest crisis since the Great Depression in the 1930s. The words of the Manifesto ring out just as true as ever and the scientific principles of Marxism-Leninism are affirmed.

The basic contradiction of capitalism is between private, capitalist accumulation and the social character of production. Millions of people work under a complex division of labor in order to produce goods and services, while a tiny group makes enormous profits from it. This leads to periodic crisis of overproduction where unsold goods pile up while the capitalists slash production and lay off workers.

For the last 25 years the capitalists have tried to limit the scope of these crisis through expanding credit and financial speculation. But these efforts only led to the even greater crisis that we see today. We have witnessed gigantic banks collapse under the impact of the of the bursting credit bubble. This bubble has created the illusion of prosperity when the underlying reality has been deregulation, privatization, de-unionization and falling wages for the past 25 years. All the while, wealth has been concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. This new crisis is being compared to the Great Depression and it is global in scope.

We have witnessed an $850 billion dollar rip-off on the part of the ruling class to bail out some of these failing financial institutions. At the same time, working people are losing their homes, finding it necessary to look for additional work and finding it more and more difficult to pay for such everyday basics as food and fuel. This is what the Communist Manifesto means in saying that capitalism creates its own gravediggers. Tremendous effort on the part of oppressed nationality and working class people to fight back is becoming more and more necessary, as the rich threaten our jobs, our benefits and our social services. We must also fight against the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and guard against the possibility of new wars against Iran and Pakistan.

Basically, the main point of the Communist Manifesto is that society changes through class struggle. As Mao Zedong, the leader of the Chinese revolution, once said: “Everything reactionary is the same; if you don’t hit it, it won’t fall.” All progressive people must understand this. Capitalism, this rotten system of worldwide mass-robbery, will not collapse by itself. In the trade unions, in the oppressed nationality communities, in the anti-war and student movements, we must get more organized and prepare for more struggles.

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By gerard, March 30, 2010 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

Taowalker:  It saddens me a lot to read your prevous post above.  I hope you will reconsider and stay with me/us.  I recognize your feelings of frustration and a desire to quit trying, but ... if we drop (along with several other people who are trying to keep this site from dropping into the depths of negativism,) TD will sink under the black weight of negative diatribes.  Our vocabularies are different, yours and mine, but along with similar others, I think we are needed here.  Many times I despair—and then I am called back by a voice saying “You never know where thoughts take root.”
Please reconsider, and stay with me/us.

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By Samson, March 30, 2010 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

One sign of the hatred and propaganda is the quickness to attack anyone who dares to stray from the party line.

When I read a thread that tells me that both Chris Hedges and Cynthia McKinney are really right-wingers, I can only crack up laughing.

But this is the treatment given to anyone these days who doesn’t just chant a very shallow party line at all times.

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By freethot, March 30, 2010 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

I don’t see any hate from the Democratic side…it’s all Rightwing!

I always suspected Hedges of being a Rightie pretending to be a moderate…

  He’s been in opposition to Liberal thinkers in every debate I’ve ever seen him in….plus he seems incapable of smiling! 

  Expect him as a regular on Fox Newz any day now…he’s not a happy camper…....

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By TAO Walker, March 30, 2010 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment

This Old Savage isn’t “gloating,” as plainsman suggests, about the mostly self-inflicted suffering our tame Sisters and Brothers are in the throes-of these Days….even that of theamericanpeople, who’ve been mere tools in the efforts of the tormentors to “subdue the earth.”  It’s the plain facts of their condition, not any make-believe moral-ism, that prompt observations offered here.

The Tiyoshpaye Way has been described often on this site as the Lakotah word for the natural organic FORM of Humanity withion the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth.  That form (Call it in English:  Genuine Living Human Community.) is in-keeping with the effective fulfillment of our given organic FUNCTION as vital components in Her immune system.  There’s no “mystery” in any of it….just plain basic biology.

There isn’t really much more to say about The Tiyoshpaye Way, as such.  It once prevailed all over the World, and no one even had any words for it….or needed any.  It can’t be “built” or “instituted.”  It occurs naturally or not at all. 

The “bread-and-butter” of truthdig seems to be in catering to the appetites for fake fright and righteous indignation that titillate the still relatively comfortable peers of its publishers.  Happening on it one Day, this Old Indian had the impression of the focus being a sincere discussion of The Situation with a view to coming to some mutual understandings about its shape and content….which would then naturally suggest mutual responses with some potential for helping us all go on Living together, which has always been the basic agreement in our Council Circles.

Since then, however, it appears more-and-more to be just another gathering place for those much more interested in preserving their own comforts and CONveniences, on terms they like.  In-short, it is the haunt of those with axes-to-grind and positions to defend….not those truly interested in digging-into the truth unless it reinforces they’re cherished pre-CONceptions of what ‘truth’ is.

It looks like we’ve passed a kind of point-of-no-return (beyond which further offerings will be to no good purpose), anyhow.  With the High Ceremonial Season approaching here in Indian Country it is probably time to let what’s out there now do what it will to alert some to a Way through these latter-day difficulties….call them:  The Eye of The Needle.

See you all, sooner or later, on The Other Side.

HokaHey!

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By Samson, March 30, 2010 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

One would think that having watched the country go from Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama that by now people would start to figure out that nothing much really changes as the party in power switches back and forth from Democrat to Republican.

Yet, there is such an effort to make everyone afraid of there being another Republican president.

What might happen ... do you think a Republican might escalate the war in Afghanistan?  do you think a Republican president might give hundreds of billions of our public treasury to Wall Street?  do you think a Republican might refuse to prosecute the criminals on wall street who’s frauds crashed the economy?  do you think a Republican might push a health care bill that really just makes the corporations richer at the people’s expense?

If you pay close attention, the major policies haven’t changed since Reagan beat Carter in 1980.

Beware the politics of fear.  Both parties use this to try to con voters into voting them into power.  So the Republicans scream that Obama is a socialist and the Democrats scream that the Republicans are the next coming of Hitler.

But, the illusion is shattered when you realize that very little changes when one party defeats the other in an election.

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By Samson, March 30, 2010 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

There’s an old technique called ‘Divide and Conquer’. 

In America, there’s a corrupt group who has control of the government.  The political system is set to allow the government to be bought, and thus the government functions for the benefit of those with the money to buy it.

This of course generates opposition from the people who believe that this is a democracy and thus have the strange notion that the government should be responsive to the people.

Maybe once there was a left-right political spectrum, but these days its just the group in power versus all-comers.  But since people still believe the notion of a left-right political spectrum, some of the opposition views themselves as being on the left, and others in the opposition view themselves as being on the right.

Those in power of course try to make sure these two groups never hook up.  So, one sees a lot of effort trying to convince those on the right that the left opposition is a bunch of communists.  And one also sees a lot of effort on the left deriding the right opposition now as ‘tea-baggers’.

This has not only the benefit of keeping the opposition divided and thus more easily conquerable, but its also used to try to convince each side to accept the rule of the corrupt people in power due to the myth that the other opposition would be even worse.  So, the right are rallied to vote for the corrupt by the fear that the ‘communists’ will take charge, and the left are rallied to vote for the corrupt by the fear that the ‘tea-baggers’ will take charge.

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Last month, Obama came to Denver.  So I went out to protest.  The protest area was about equally divided with groups from the left and the right.

I made a deliberate effort to go over and talk with the ‘tea-baggers’.  Much of what they say is exactly what you can read from the leftist comments on a site like this.  I’d guess as much as 80%.

Now, I did find that in order to hold a civil conversation, I had to bite my tongue on a few things they said.  And, I’m pretty sure I saw some tongue biting going on over things I said at times also.

But, I’d encourage anyone to go do the same.  Go find what the ‘tea-baggers’ are up to in your area, then go talk with them.  If you take the time to talk to real people, instead of just reading the propaganda that’s churned out, you might be very surprised to find out that what they are upset about are pretty much the things that you are upset about. 

You won’t agree on everything.  But ask yourself this.  Is there enough there that you agree on that two groups could maybe work together to throw our current corrupt government out of power.

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One thing is clear.  Right now, neither the left opposition nor the right opposition has enough power to create the change they want on their own.  In fact, the corrupt group running our government is so powerful that it may not be enough to combine forces. 

But, surely the chances are better if we can find a way to work together?  And, you might ask yourself why does there seem to be such massive efforts to make sure that doesn’t happen.

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Re:By nemesis2010, March 30 at 2:50 pm #

This is an excellent post.

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