naah—nobody still thought that Bust did a great job by the fall of 2008.

the repubs could have run Jesus and Lincoln and still lost cause everyone was so
sick of how the previous eight years had gone

‘Meanwhile, in downtown Toadsuck Arkansas, people are still believing that Bldg#7 fell because of airplane debris and that Bush did a great job.”

I can assure you, BR549, that the good folk of Toadsuck are not so ignorant by chance. They are kept that way by the mainstream media and lack of education. The CIA and the corporatocracy learned long ago that if you just keep telling the lie on TV and in the papers and over the radio it will become the official version of events. Of course polls seem to indicate that a sizable portion of the American population knows that the whole 9/11 story stinks, because their noses tell them so. You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. Not that the elites will ever stop trying.

I think it was Helms, head of the CIA, who calmed the troops by telling them that all those books written on the Kennedy assassination didn’t matter: ‘No one reads in America’ he said. ‘Just some academics and some historians will ever read those books’. How right he was.

Cliff—-please do share the response if they send you one. thx

By heterochromatic, December 15 at 9:51 pm

“Cliff the link to the comment was on WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2011, “Iran Suspends Contract of China’s Oil and Gas Giant CNPCI from a site that I read daily and I posted a comment to the story on Oct 12,  2011….. most definitely not 2009…........”

Thanks heterochromatic, this dating allowed me to find the Link.  And on reading what was there, I do find that my earlier comment of ,  ” Seems this link doesn’t quite agree with what you state about your link” that I had posted becomes even more of a puzzle.  Below is the link I posted earlier, which was written after the article you provided in the link:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-23/iran-china-trade-climbed-34-in-first-10-months-donya-reports.html

The Link is a Bloomberg Article authored by Ladane Nassari on November 23, 2011 out of Bloomberg in Bahrain.

In fact it is in such disagreement (by not referencing the article you linked that was published October 12, 2011) that I have now sent the Editor an E-Mail asking for a clarification of the disparity of the Bloomberg article, published Article five weeks after the supposed cancellation mentioned in your article.

I.e. ,  why did the Bloomberg Article not mention the cancellation of the CNPCI Contract since it would be so pertinent to the gist of the Bloomberg article?  I will share the response on this thread if I get one.

I searched around for more information and noticed that in another article the cancellation was referred to as temporary, but I also found an article where the Iranian Oil Ministry stated that the CNCPI partner in the PARS field work , CNOOC, another leading Chinese Firm, was notified to assume the lead role in the PARS work.  This could be a reason it was not mentioned by Bloomberg, still I think it was information the reader deserves.

As to the Iran Nuclear Program questions, did the Time line I provided, inform you as to the cause of the delays, etc.?

What I do know is that power corrupts and that absolute power corrupts absolutely and greed is insatiable.

heterochromatic, you may be right.

The explosions at Iranian nuke, missile and steel plants could be from an Iranian resistance.
Or from Israel and/or US saboteurs with a little inside help.

No way to know for sure from what little info we can scratch up.

With Iranian leadership publicly denying the explosions, the Chinese and Russians can take them at their word and opt out—publicly at least.

By ignoring the story, our mainstream media falls in line. 

Thus, Iran’s nuclear program is stalled, it’s leadership remains in place, tensions ease for the time being.

Anyone have a different take?

Cliff the link was

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 12, 2011

Iran Suspends Contract of China’s Oil and Gas Giant CNPCI

from a site that I read daily and I posted a comment to the story on Oct 12,
2011…..

most definitely not 2009…........

The story that “Trade was running smoothly” was actually an announcement, if
you read it carefully, that the trade was n’t really smooth and that China would no
longer be sending euros, which China switched to from dollars to avoid trouble
with the US, to Iran (due to the sanctions) and that Iran would be getting yuan or
a line of credit in Chian, payable in Chinese goods—-or maybe Chinese services
in Iran.

The real story of the story, Cliff, is that Iran is sending oil….and NOT getting hard
currency.

Chuna is backing away from Iran because Iran isn’t really a main trading partner
for China…..the guys who print dollars, yen and euros are the impotrant ones

By heterochromatic, December 15 at 9:01 pm

“I’ve been following this stuff for 3 or 4 years, and I got to insist that you can’t take Iranian announcements of major long-term deals at face
value…...there’s a strong record of things simply not materializing to match the announcements.”

heterochromatic

Have you really been following this for years?  Before you read the link I am offering you, try to remember who designed the original Nuclear Program, who started the building of reactors - twenty to be built- and why that program was terminated.  You might also remember that a Despot had been put on the Throne in Tehran by the United States and Britian.  During the SHAH’s stay there he was prolific in giving Iran’s jewels (Resources) to the Western Allies - while telling his people - “Let them eat cake”. - or something like that while murdering them wholesale.  You sure do need to read some history.

Finally I think the Link you gave me ( you gave the date as October ) I believe was written in 2009.

The link I am sending you is a Wikipedia Time line of Iran’s Nuclear Program.  It wasn’t written by Iranians. And by the way the Links I gave you were written by Chinese.  I thought that you would have noticed that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_nuclear_program_of_Iran

Cliff, I appreciate the link from July, but if you look at the one that I posted
(from October) you’ll note that the Iranians are saying that China is NOT living
up to Iranian expectations in South Pars…..

again, I’ve been following this stuff for 3 or 4 years, and I got to insist that you
can’t take Iranian announcements of major long-term deals at face
value…...there’s a strong record of things simply not materializing to match the
announcements.

That big deal that iran announced in 1992 with Russia that was supposed to
have the Bushehr dual nuclear power plant facility up and the first plant
operating by 2001….........

Second one never got built at all and the first one was a decade late.

and still….in August of this year(!) iran announced that Russia was going to
build more reactors in iran!!!!!

~~~~“We will negotiate until we reach concrete results,” said Firudin Abbasi
Dayani, the Head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran. “All future projects
will be implemented taking into account the interests of both countries.They
have put forward some proposals and the exchange of ideas and proposals will
continue until a clear result is reached.”~~~~~

http://www.constructiondigital.com/under_construction/iran-and-russia-to-
build-more-nuclear-plants

Bushehr-! was still not online when that announcement was made.

By BR549, December 15 at 8:17 pm

“Meanwhile, in downtown Toadsuck Arkansas, people are still believing that Bldg#7 fell because of airplane debris and that Bush did a great job.”

“May the Toad be with You”

BR549, if you are an Arkie you know what a Toadsuck is.  And you might have even attended one of those annual “Toadsuck Days” Festivals.  Toad races and such plus the ability to witness the “Worlds Shortest Parade” comes to mind.

I attended ASTC ( Now UCA)there in Conway, Arkansas back in my youth.

You might also know that during the Southern “Trail of Tears” portion of the forceful removal of the Cherokee from Carolina to Oklahoma John Ross who was later to found the “Indian School” in Oklahoma lost his wife to a fever (an Indian Squaw, I forget her name) and she was buried outside Conway.  Sadly the grave is lost since efforts to find it have been futile.

On down the trail at Dardanelle is where the Treaty of the Two Oaks was signed.

Finally in relation to this history of the Trail of
Tears, these forceful re-settlements to Oklahoma was brought about by the U S Government reneging on a Treaty that was signed by our Government giving the Cherokee an autonomous Nation within the US.  But when some greedy business Corporations desired the Carolina land belonging to the Cherokee, they were doomed.

Standwaite and John Ross did not have to suffer the trail of tears because of their governing positions representing the Cherokee Nation in Washington DC.  But they chose to walk the trail with their brethren as a protest to the immoral group that betrayed the entire Cherokee Nation.

Reading about this is really interesting history.  I would recommend the University of Oklahoma for any reference material concerning just another example of our Government selling out to business interests even when people would be harmed.

Repeat after me:  A Corporation is not a person!  It is like the Terminator - no feelings, no morals, no ethics, nothing but inanimate unconsciousness - beast that must be fed in large amounts of profit.

agreed - perhaps the greatest mystery (or not) of the modern epoch - how the
Anglo-American citizenry so thoroughly believe that their leaders never start
wars, only finish them - perhaps ‘not’ a mystery when one begins to fully fathom
the power of dreams and depth of duping achievable through modern media

diamond, December 15 at 1:12 pm
Diamond, I’m not sure what the exact average was, but I ran these numbers a few years back and it was about one engagement every two years at one level, and two engagements per year on a lesser level. Whatever the real numbers were, it goes without saying that all we are doing is acting out the expansionist frustrations of that large philosophically emasculated island north of France.

Just as with Japan stripping the Korean peninsula of resources during the 1930s, GB couldn’t manage its own population unless it was parasitizing those third world and native populations that hadn’t yet figured out how much the white man was capable of lying and stealing; and the US has been playing right into their hands through corruption of our legislature.

Meanwhile, in downtown Toadsuck Arkansas, people are still believing that Bldg#7 fell because of airplane debris and that Bush did a great job.

heterocromatic, here is another site that discusses the renovation of the Iranian Oil System by Sinopec a Chinese Company.  This is to answer the statement you made below about China pulling back etc.

By Cliff Carson, December 15 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, December 15 at 6:31

“Cliff, look again. China has been pulling back from Iran and the last two years have seen them refusing to do any more investing in developing new oil/gas projects..”

This is an excerpt from the Link I have provided below concerning how the Oil trade with China is going.  The problem with Iran’s exports is the sanctions placed on countries that trade with Iran in dollars.

If you go read the link you will find that China is going to remedy that by starting to trade with Iran in Yuan.

“Sinopec has also been involved in upgrading Iranian refineries, deals that also may help to increase crude supplies, the official said, without giving details citing a Sinopec official, has reported in January that Sinopec won a tender to upgrade Iran’s Arak and Shazand refinery with a total cost of 2.168 billion euro.”

http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/25/idINIndia-58440720110725

text of the link:::::::::

Iran Suspends Contract of China’s Oil and Gas Giant CNPCI
Action Comes after Suspension of Russia’s Energy Giant Gazprom

Iran said it had suspended a contract with Chinese National Petroleum
Corporation International (CNPCI) for development of its North Pars gas field.

“We will decide on the continuation of CNPCI activities in the North Pars gas
field when they fulfill their commitments in Iran’s South Pars gas field, which is
Iran’s first priority,” said Mousa Souri, the managing director of Pars Oil and Gas
Company [Mehr News Agency, 11 October].

On Tuesday, Iran also formally suspended Russia’s Gazprom from developing
its Azar oil field.

Western companies have already pulled out from Iran’s energy sector due to the
fear of sanctions. But the non-performance of CNPCI, the oil and gas giant
owned by the Chinese government, and Gazprom, the Russian oil and gas giant,
will have a chilling effect on the future of foreign investment in Iran’s oil and
gas sector.

Iran’s Oil Minister Rostam Qasemi said after the suspensions that the Islamic
Republic had no need for foreign investment in energy sector. Although there
are serious doubts about the credibility of Qasemi’s statement. If Iran did not
need such investments, they would not have awarded these huge contracts to
the Russians and the Chinese in the first place, only to suspend them later.
—————

as for the “increase” in trade, CC, it’s not much of note. Iran is sending oil to
China and Iran is getting back low-end consumer goods…...
(check the increase in the posted prices for oil and you’ll find that a fair potion
of the increased trade is just higher-prices for oil rather than extra volume).

By heterochromatic, December 15 at 6:31

“Cliff, look again. China has been pulling back from Iran and the last two years have seen them refusing to do any more investing in developing new oil/gas projects..”

Interesting heterchromatic.  I tried your link, I got “Page Not found”

But I did copy you a link from three weeks ago:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-23/iran-china-trade-climbed-34-in-first-10-months-donya-reports.html

Seems this link doesn’t quite agree with what you state about your link I couldn’t open.

The Bloomberg article I posted reports a 34% increase in trade over last year and a projection to more than double the amount of trade next year about 80% Gas and Oil.

Since there is such a disparity in our different findings possibly we need to investigate further.

Cliff, look again. China has been pulling back from Iran and the last two years
have seen them refusing to do any more investing in developing new oil/gas
projects..

From a couple of months ago….....

http://www.uskowioniran.com/2011/10/iran-suspends-contract-of-chinas-
oil.html

China is diversifying it’s sourcing and reducing dependence on Iranian oil, (it
gets oil from Venezuela on FAR more generous terms), and Iran is absurdly far
from state-of-the-art.

Hell they can’t refine their own oil worth a damn. they’ve been importing
gasoline and the stuff they do refine themselves is third-rate.

Oh, and check again and you’ll note that the pipeline projects that Iran
announces…...get “delayed”, not built.

I am inclined to agree as to the treaty or pact issue and even the Chinese Telecast (the interpretation was presented in text)I had to take as printed since I can’t understand Chinese.  I do have some Chinese relatives and possibly if I sent the You-Tube to them they might be able to give a viable interpretation.

However, I would ask you to do some more research about why China would draw the line in the sand.

First and foremost they have a great dependence on the Iranian Oil and Gas. If their economy keeps growing at its present rate, in probably 5-10 years they would be purchasing ALL of the Iranian Oil and Gas produced in excess of Iran’s domestic consumption.

China is helping Iran in bringing the oil industry to a state of the art reality and they are building the modern “Silk Road” a highway going thru India, Pakistan,Iran,Afghanistan by the Caspian and on to Europe. They are getting antsy about the circle of US Hegemony drawing around their future trade routes.

This is what I mean by the “Line in the Sand”.

They will tolerate annoyances but only to a point.

China is on course to supplant the US as the World Leader in the not too distant future.  This fact raises friction and it is not always the cool heads that prevail.

Something Evil this way comes.  We don’t know from where or who. 

We must be on guard.

Cliff, I most certainly did look for such treaty
before questioning you.

No disrespect meant other than to say that I think
you’re mistaken.

I many times seen assertions that China will fight to
protect Iran and think that the claim is bogus.

China MIGHT arm Iran or supply it with stuff to ward
off attack in certain situations, but anyone thinking
that the US would go to war against Iran without
considering the Chinese and Russians is, and this is
ONLY my opinion, wrong.

Equally wrong is that either the Russians or Chinese
bear any affinity for the Iranian theocracy.

Russia plain doesn’t like them, and China does no
more than find them useful.

Neither would go to war with the United States merely
to defend Iran….

Perhaps you’ll recall that the UN SC sanctions
against Iran are watered down by Russia/China
...never vetoed.

There simply isn’t any real confluence of interest
with Iran and the great powers.

By heterochromatic, December 15 at 11:55 am

“Cliff Carson~~~~“I do believe that China and Iran signed a mutual defense Pact a
few years ago.”~~~

I think not. If you have a link to any such treaty, please enlighten me by posting it.”

heterochromatic, I was writing that from memory.  So I went and searched for such a link, I did not find one that I would consider creditable that states and dates any such Pact although I did run across several that said there was one, just didn’t say when, what, etc.  These reports also included Russia in the conversation.  I am sure you can do your own searching.

What I did find chilling was a You-Tube report gleaned from a Chinese Telecast in late November this year, stating that a General Zhou ( something like that) the Defense Minister, I believe, stated that China would defend Iran if there was an attack on Iran.  I can look it up again, but so can you if you are interested.

I believe that this is the same General that I saw on TV a few years ago stating that “Instead of “If” the question should be “when” will a war against the U S break out”.

The context of that TV appearance also concerned US threats against Iran.

Whatever the actual words said, the secret treaties, the spin and lies, including the BS, I do believe that the Chinese Official was drawing a line in the sand that they will not allow American expansionism to cross.

I do not believe that to be an idle threat.

fly, I quoted the sentence of yours that I deride as simplistic….review it,
please…..maybe I won’t appear as arrogant…. and maybe you’ll rephrase it
somewhat .

oddsox~~~~~ a campaign against the iranian regime’s program carried out by
iranian citizens at odds with the repressive theocratic regime is far different than is
an aerial bombardment campaign carried out by foreign warplanes.

For the latter , the Russians and Chinese are going to have to be involved in a public
way, this stuff needn’t publicly involve them at all.

Different level….and as the Iranian regime ramps up security….different result.

heterochromatic

What an obnoxious, arrogant, stuck-up person you are.
How would you know what is simplistic or not? As
‘Diamond’ has shown, America has always, from it’s
early genocide of Native Americans to the modern day,
had violent and grandiose ideas of changing the world
(whether requested or not). Why should anyone trust
your opinion on anything?

...and on and on it goes…

US Troops Begin Operations on the Jordan-Syria Border
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29960.htm
By Sibel Edmonds

December 12, 2011——According to first-hand accounts and reports
provided to Boiling Frogs Post by several sources in Jordan, during the last few
hours foreign military groups, estimated at hundreds of individuals, began to
spread near the villages of the north-Jordan city of “Al-Mafraq”, which is
adjacent to the Jordanian and Syrian border.

According to one Jordanian military officer who asked to remain anonymous,
hundreds of soldiers who speak languages ?other than Arabic were seen during
the past two days in those areas moving back and forth in military vehicles
between the King Hussein Air Base of al-Mafraq (10 km from the Syrian
border), and the vicinity of Jordanian villages adjacent to the Syrian border,
such as village Albaej (5 km from the border), the area around the dam of
Sarhan, the villages of Zubaydiah and al-Nahdah adjacent to the Syrian border.

[...]

Heterochromatic & Azzer:
“the Russians and Chinese will have to be willing to allow the destruction of the Iranian nuclear weapons program by military means for it to happen.”
—Hetero’

It may be happening already.
Covertly, with minimum MSM coverage, of course.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/world/article/explosion_at_iranian_steel_mill_remains_unexplained_20111213/

Amen, firefly. You couldn’t be more correct. America is an empire and acts like an empire and any of the little people who get in the way will be crushed - as they have been all over the world since 1890.

US Military Interventions Since 1890

SOUTH DAKOTA 1890 (-?) Troops- 300 Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee.

ARGENTINA 1890 Troops- Buenos Aires interests protected.

CHILE 1891 Troops- Marines clash with nationalist rebels.

HAITI 1891 Troops -Black revolt on Navassa defeated.

HAWAII 1893 (-?) Naval, troops - Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed. CHICAGO 1894 Troops- Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed.

PHILIPPINES 1898-1910 (-?) Naval, troops- Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos

CUBA 1898-1902 (-?) Naval, troops- Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.

PUERTO RICO 1898 (-?) Naval, troops- Seized from Spain, occupation continues.

GUAM 1898 (-?) Naval, troops- Seized from Spain, still use as base.

MINNESOTA 1898 (-?) Troops- Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.

PANAMA 1901-14 Naval, troops Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914.

HONDURAS 1903 Troops Marines intervene in revolution.

CUBA 1906-09 Troops Marines land in democratic election.

PANAMA 1908 Troops Marines intervene in election contest.

CHINA 1911-41 Naval, troops Continuous occupation with flare-ups.

PANAMA 1912 Troops Marines land during heated election.

NICARAGUA 1912-33 Troops, bombing 10-year occupation, fought guerillas

HAITI 1914-34 Troops, bombing, 19-year occupation after revolts.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1916-24 Troops 8-year Marine occupation.

CUBA 1917-33 Troops Military occupation, economic protectorate.

HONDURAS 1919 Troops Marines land during election campaign.

GUATEMALA 1920 Troops 2-week intervention against unionists.

WEST VIRGINIA 1920-21 Troops, bombing, Army intervenes against mineworkers.

PANAMA 1925 Troops Marines suppress general strike.

WASHINGTON DC 1932 Troops Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.

WORLD WAR II 1941-45 first nuclear war.
GREECE 1947-49 Command operation U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.

KOREA 1951-53 (-?) Troops, naval, bombing , nuclear threats U.S./So. Korea fights China/No. Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, and against China in 1953. Still have bases.

IRAN 1953 Command Operation CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.

VIETNAM l960-75 Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; one million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969.

CUBA l962 Nuclear threat, naval Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with Soviet Union.

IRAQ 1963 Command operation CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba’ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.

PANAMA l964 Troops, Panamanians shot for urging canal’s return.

INDONESIA l965 Command operation Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC 1965-66 Troops, bombing Marines land during election campaign.

CAMBODIA l969-75 Bombing, troops, naval Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.

LAOS l971-73 Command operation, bombing U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; “carpet-bombs” countryside.

CHILE 1973 Command operation CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.

LIBYA l986 Bombing, naval Air strikes to topple nationalist gov’t.

BOLIVIA 1986 Troops Army assists raids on cocaine region.

IRAN l987-88 Naval, bombing US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.

LIBYA 1989 Naval jets Two Libyan jets shot down…

and on and on it goes and the arms corporations love it and laugh all the way to the bank.

“sophomoric” ~~~~~it’s in the dictionary.

things are not as you so simplistically describe them

heterochromatic…...........

“thank you for the view from sophomore year”

what is that supposed to mean? That sophomores are
intelligent and well-informed?

Cliff Carson~~~~“I do believe that China and Iran signed a mutual defense Pact a
few years ago.”~~~

I think not. If you have a link to any such treaty, please enlighten me by posting it.

firefly~~~~Right across Africa, South
America, Asia and the Middle East, America has waged
a non-democratic, hypocritical war against people who
wish for nothing more than the right to self-
determination.~~~~

thank you for the view from sophomore year.

There is hardly a country in the world that hasn’t
had US intervention. Right across Africa, South
America, Asia and the Middle East, America has waged
a non-democratic, hypocritical war against people who
wish for nothing more than the right to self-
determination. America’s foreign policy is to force
ALL nations across the globe to live by an American
ideology and any that dare to stand up and say, no
thank you, we would rather have our own system, our
own culture and our own government is likely to be
vilified and attacked. All the more so, if they have
resources (oil and minerals) that America wants.

Azzer~~~~The war with Iran will not happen without the
involvement of Russia and China.~~~~

yes, you’re right. the Russians and Chinese will have to be willing to allow the
destruction of the Iranian nuclear weapons program by military means for it to
happen.

neither one is yet conceding the necessity of military force, but both have publicly
urged Iran to back away from continuing along the present path.

Jameela, December 14 at 11:46 am
Yo, Jameela. Lighten up, dude. All that stuff about Satan and the Jews and Satan and Christ is only as valid as anyone who has a “choice” refuses to see their own particular shade of light and instead heads underground to sell flashlights to the rest of the “unenlightened”. what about Satan and Allah. I didn’t see you bring up that aspect, the one where politically oriented ardent followers of Islam justify killing anyone.

Religion is not necessarily a BAD thing; that is until the followers, no matter what their denomination may be, lose sight of the path and start seeing enemies within their own family of man. The true test of Ishmael/Isaac, whether there is any truth to it or whether it is merely loric, was whether mankind had matured enough to recognize his own brother. Apparently we haven’t matured enough.

There is no sin in being Jewish unless that Jew considers Judaism to be above all else; likewise for Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. These are ALL paths to the almighty and we would do best to learn to appreciate that these poor slobs are at least feeling connected to something, so long as they don’t use that as a basis to justify lopping someone’s head off in their name of their God, Allah, or
whatever.

Iran is the good guy here, although that moron at the helm over there has the same moral character as this overstuffed shoe-shine boy parading himself around a being presidential material over here. Iranians are great people; it’s too bad our government is so quick to force WWIII on the planet.

Imagine what the world would look like today if we closed the Pentagon and spent a mere 10% of that budget on education and humanitarian endeavors around the world. The enemy is not the US or Iran; the enemy is avarice and those leaders, who force their sickness upon the rest of us, suffer from a near total lack of spiritual connectedness. To see things otherwise would be to
constantly see those in the Middle East as brothers and be able to respect our differences as members with a larger family.

a poster, deb is dead,  from moon of alabama
coined the perfect acronym for the evil twins
fukus
looks like he even anticipated the inclusion of france

trisha~~~~ the war in Libya was a war of choice….and oil prices spiked but briefly.

If there’s a war with Iran, the Saudis will be pleased to increase their oil exports by
2million barrels/day (as they did earlier this year)  which will offset 3/4 of iran’s
exports.

$12/gal gas ain’t on the agenda.

perhaps the only thing that saved Manifest Destiny from being the world’s all-time
worst genocide was disease - so many Indians died of disease there was no need
to kill them - but in some cases…

the accusation has been leveled that the US Gov. was perhaps the first to sink to
biological warfare - giving smallpox infected blankets to Indians

who’s scum?

About the threat of an Iranian Nuke.. that’s been a favorite boogey-man of our government since 1979!

US Senator Alan Cranston.. “Iran is seven years away from making a weapon”. Their program “is entering its final stages.” 1984.

That’s not to say Iran does not want the bomb.. as I commented earlier, they would be remiss to not seek nuclear weapons or some other way to positively safeguard their country and sovereignty against American Imperialism..

Adios!

~~~~~You do realize that the governments of the most
powerful countries are owned and ran by complete narcissistic
sociopaths,particularly here in the west.~~~~~~

the ones here have a hell of a long way to go to get to the psychotic depths of
those of the Iranian theocracy.

THOSE mofos are sub-scum.

the gringos just cant help it…
after all, what else can they do except bombing n bullshitting ?
http://tinyurl.com/5cj9tq

the globalists are intent on failing all states that resist their hegemonic agenda: IMF/World
Bank debt service for all and forever - any state strong enough to defend its citizens from the
juggernaut of global finance oligarchy is eventually targeted for failure

the destabilization is done by flooding the media with agitprop - demonizing the regime -
heavily supporting and encouraging all opposition groups - ginning up a cause for
intervention - building up an insurgency - creating enough chaos to foment a civil war, i.e. a
proxy invasion to ultimately fail the state

from the Magreb to the Punjab, the Balkans to the Sahel, the formula is repeated again and
again - eventually ubiquitous DU poisoning will depopulate the entire region - it is now
being posited that (in the course of enriching the MIC) that is the ultimate goal

we know what this is: genocide, nothing less than naked genocide - ridding the
landscape of troublesome natives, standing in the way of imperial expansion

Robespierre115, December 13 said

“The capital of Israel is TEL AVIV”.

Gingrich said on Sunday morning TV that if Elected, he will see that the Capitol of Israel is Jerusalem.

He also said those people in the occupied territories need to get off Israel’s land.

And Gingrich was backed up by American Christian Radio.

“Thou Shalt not Steal”

” Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house”

Pay attention Gingrich - would be Christians, and especially those to whom the Law was given thru the tablets brought down by Moses.

“The downing of a sophisticated U.S. RQ-170 Sentinel drone over Iran is the latest ratcheting of tension among Washington, Tehran and Jerusalem.”

The capital of Israel is TEL AVIV.

Iranin RQ-170
“No one returns the symbol of aggression to the party that sought secret and vital intelligence related to the national security of a country,” Not bad rhetoric. Better than most of Bush’s.

I’m no international expert, much the obverse, but it is interesting to see this piece of American taxpayer folly fall into the hands of Iran. It must make many people wince. As well as hopefully reconsider their use. Thank reason Obama did not send in the fleet to try to recover it, maybe we have learned some things about diplomacy and economics, not to mention escalating an already tense situation.

If Iran executes CIA agents it’s unlikely that Iran will return the drone anytime soon. After all, we now execute American citizens at the presidents request without due process. It’s a tough argument to make that they “should"morally or ethically return it, given that it was in their air space.

We rarely consider situations from both sides, how would america react if Iran flew drones over Washington D.C. ?  If we downed it would we return it?

But this is a serious loss to America and the idea it was likely hacked and landed whole says allot for Iran.
If it was not landed intentionally by some bored underpaid kid in Langley. . .Heaven forbid !
If.the Iranians are wise, after reverse engineering the drone, it will be returned with a few pieces missing.
Did Russia ever return the spy plane it shot down during the cold war? Or the U.S. all we have stolen?
It’s time for all countries to stop using these weapons, and taxpayers to demand less funding for them.

Hopefully this will be a unique opportunity to rethink their use and abuse in all air spaces, here and abroad.
As well as the many consequences of their use. It’s sad that such innovation is used for aggression rather than redistributing wealth or dealing with health care or ending war. We can do so much better.And owe it to the future and our children to start doing so, there is no time to waste.

I agree.. war with Iran is a real possibility, made more-so by the coming primary and election cycle..

About Iran and nuclear weapons.. if they are not already building a bomb or ten then they soon will be after all this saber rattling by the USA.. It’s common sense, it’s demonstrated on the world stage that you can do most anything if you have the bomb and you’ll be coddled and even aided, despite the popular
rhetoric that may condemn you..  Iran’s leaders would be incompetent to not know the only thing that can save their sovereignty is to have a thermonuclear device atop a ready missile that can reach Israel or the US fleet. The position of
the US on the issue of Iran having nuclear technology is self-perpetuating.. the more we threaten, the more likely it is Iran will seek the nukes and so-on.

This need not be so, there are encouraging signs. Right now I watched Amy Goodman introduce and interview the Justice Party candidate for President.. he speaks well and is plainly speaking from the heart.. Goodman.. one of the very best news personalities we have.. nonetheless could not refrain from insisting this new hope do the checklist of media issues and engage in trashing the other candidates..

The grand circus that is America.

Adios!

The Criminals who own our government have decided that there will be an American
Empire, with tyranny justified at home by terror, and colonization of the rest of the World
by naked aggression.

Their greed, is never fulfilled. And it’s focused on the rest of the world, now that it has
taken everything Americans own. It will soon be spending the lives of American children,
soley to increase it’s world dominance.

It’s rule in Ameika is based on fear and disinformation.

The war is coming to distract the disgruntled masses.

glider (how appropriate!), you write:

“I have not seen much info in the MSM regarding the “downed” drone.”

Yes, and even less on the recent explosions at Iranian power plants, missile sites and now steel mills.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/seven-killed-in-explosion-at-iranian-steel-mill-linked-with-nuclear-program-1.401080

are we seeing a “ghost” war?

What was the Drone doing in Iranian space?

What would happen if Iranian Drones were discovered over America.

Iran’s sin is that they have too much Oil and Gas.  The USA wants it.

Should Iran give us their Oil and Gas?

I have not seen much info in the MSM regarding the “downed” drone.  Aljazeera’s reporting is much more interesting, and indicates that Iran recovered this drone in perfect condition.  There was no crash as the word “downed” is meant to suggest.  It appears as if either the Iranians cyber intercepted the drone or its American pilots landed it on Iranian soil.  Of course that little story is not something the governments media would care to report.  We don’t get news, we get propaganda.

This article does highlight the dangerous war-mongering, terrorist and militaristic history of official USA in the Middle East. If we add to this the evil alliance between terrorist Zionist Israel and the evil American political-military-industrial complex, then you can bet that the Middle East will never experience any significant period of peace.

That’s why what America needs is a new generation of sensible and sober leaders, who at this stage are very rare breed to the point of being counted on the fingers of one’s hand. Among those one can count Dennis Kucinich, a sober man of great commonsense.

Click on the link below to hear Dennis Kucinich give the American military-industrial complex a piece of his sober mind, precisely on the issue of the dangerous game with Iran!

http://youtu.be/iIvdeuGItoY

The U S has been after Iran since the Iranian people overthrew the U S Puppet Dictator the SHAH in 1979.  The U S and Britain had overthrown the Iranian Government in 1953 and placed the
SHAH on the throne at that time.  We were good friends with Iranian Government after that until the SHAH, who would make Saddam look like an angel, had killed between 500,000 and one million Iranian citizens.  He was the most brutal dictator ever in the Middle East.  But that was OK with the U S.  He was our guy. 

He was our friend because we could help ourselves to the Iranian Oil and Gas and our Military could sell him all kinds of armaments for many billions of dollars.

Lord did the Iranian people suffer under the US/SHAH arrangement.  The U S wants that Oil and Gas back.  It is that simple.

I do believe that China and Iran signed a mutual defense Pact a few years ago.

Whether China would honor that pact or not is unknown, but the reality is that China would emerge from a war with the United States as the new Superpower.

We need to carefully select our leaders for the next several generations, that is if you don’t want to suffer through a long and losing war.

i have expected that u.s wld first try to
destabilize iran to a certain degree before
attacking it.
but iran is no iraq. iraq’s three main peoples
were much divided; rendering iraq quite
dysfunctional and defenseless.
iran, most likely cld not be defeated as quickly
[if ever] as iraq had been.

attacking iran openly wld certainly cause fear in
russia and china.
and it cld lead to a nuclear war eventually. so,
just causing iranians lots of trouble and hoping
to draw them into a war wld have to do. tnx