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All eyes are on Iowa this week, as the hodgepodge field of Republican contenders gallivants across that farm state seeking a win, or at least “momentum,” in the campaign for the party’s presidential nomination. But behind the scenes, a battle is being waged by Republicans—not against each other, but against American voters. Across the country, state legislatures and governors are pushing laws that seek to restrict access to the voting booth, laws that will disproportionately harm people of color, low-income people, and young and elderly voters.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund have just released a comprehensive report on the crisis, “Defending Democracy: Confronting Modern Barriers to Voting Rights in America.” In it, they write: “The heart of the modern block the vote campaign is a wave of restrictive government-issued photo identification requirements. In a coordinated effort, legislators in thirty-four states introduced bills imposing such requirements. Many of these bills were modeled on legislation drafted by the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC)—a conservative advocacy group whose founder explained: ‘Our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.’”

It is interesting that the right wing, long an opponent of any type of national identification card, is very keen to impose photo-identification requirements at the state level. Why? Ben Jealous, president of the NAACP, calls the voter ID laws “a solution without a problem. ... It’s not going to make the vote more secure. What it is going to do is put the first financial barrier between people and their ballot box since we got rid of the poll tax.”

You don’t have to look far for people impacted by this new wave of voter-purging laws. Darwin Spinks, an 86-year-old World War II veteran from Murfreesboro, Tenn., went to the Department of Motor Vehicles to get a photo ID for voting purposes, since drivers over 60 there are issued driver’s licenses without photos. After waiting in two lines, he was told he had to pay $8. Requiring a voter to pay a fee to vote has been unconstitutional since the poll tax was outlawed in 1964. Over in Nashville, 93-year-old Thelma Mitchell had a state-issued ID—the one she used as a cleaner at the state Capitol building for more than 30 years. The ID had granted her access to the governor’s office for decades, but now, she was told, it wasn’t good enough to get her into the voting booth. She and her family are considering a lawsuit, an unfortunate turn of events for a woman who is older than the right of women to vote in this country.

It is not just the elderly being given the disenfranchisement runaround. The Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law points to “bills making voter registration drives extremely difficult and risky for volunteer groups, bills requiring voters to provide specific photo ID or citizenship documents ... bills cutting back on early and absentee voting, bills making it hard for students and active-duty members of the military to register to vote locally, and more.”

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U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder recently spoke on this alarming trend. He said: “Our efforts honor the generations of Americans who have taken extraordinary risks, and willingly confronted hatred, bias and ignorance—as well as billy clubs and fire hoses, bullets and bombs—to ensure that their children, and all American citizens, would have the chance to participate in the work of their government. The right to vote is not only the cornerstone of our system of government—it is the lifeblood of our democracy.”

Just this week, the Justice Department blocked South Carolina’s new law requiring voters to show photo IDs at the polls, saying data submitted by South Carolina showed that minority voters were about 20 percent more likely to lack acceptable photo ID required at polling places.

By some estimates, the overall population that may be disenfranchised by this wave of legislation is upward of 5 million voters, most of whom would be expected to vote with the Democratic Party. The efforts to quash voter participation are not genuine, grass-roots movements. Rather, they rely on funding from people like the Koch brothers, David and Charles. That is why thousands of people, led by the NAACP, marched on the New York headquarters of Koch Industries two weeks ago en route to a rally for voting rights at the United Nations. 

Despite the media attention showered on the Iowa caucuses, the real election outcomes in 2012 will likely hinge more on the contest between billionaire political funders like the Kochs and the thousands of people in the streets, demanding one person, one vote.


Denis Moynihan contributed research to this column.

Amy Goodman is the host of “Democracy Now!,” a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on more than 900 stations in North America. She is the author of “Breaking the Sound Barrier,” recently released in paperback and now a New York Times best-seller.

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By drbhelthi, January 9, 2012 at 2:33 am Link to this comment

@shenonymous
However, I must assign you credit for being one of the more clever spinners of
the Bush/Obama administration.  From your distractive avatar to your latest
redundant repetition, your cleverness is present. 

Whether you are a paid shill, or just another voluntary supporter linked to Israel,
with adequate insight so as to motivate you to hope to eventually escape the
Dachau-type-shower room.  I suggest you review the Mr. Fish cartoon, Boo Hoo,
to update your expectation to a more realistic version.

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By drbhelthi, January 9, 2012 at 1:37 am Link to this comment

“Showing no skill for discussion, you merely are a blogging thug using only
pleonastic invective splinters.”

Discussion?
Your incessant repetition of Goebbel-type invectives is accurately described by
your summary sentence.

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By Shenonymous, January 8, 2012 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

Once again into the breach, drbhelthi.  You make the common
unreflective error of mistaking parts for wholes and throwing all
kinds of opinionated garbage into a stew that pretends to be a
legitimate observation.  It is the kind of sloppy thinking that tries
to find 2 x 4s to build your own sleazy puffed up criticisms, but it
is all in vain.  Showing no skill for discussion, you merely are a
blogging thug using only pleonastic invective splinters.

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By drbhelthi, January 7, 2012 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

@shenonymous
“Since there might not be any better pimps than Obama, as naive as I yam, I will stay with the liberal since I yam a liberal.”

Your blogs have consistently supported Obama, which qualifies you as a supporter of destruction of the U.S.A., the evil USGOV administration, and the NAZI heritage from which it emerged.  The illegal torture to which Bradley Manning has been subjected reflects your support and your distractive blogs. Which blogs redundantly reflect the philosophy of Goebbels, “repeat it enough and the people will believe it.”  Supporting Obama classifies you as a supporter of the Bush entourage, which is classified as NAZI rather than liberal.

Fortunately, the book of the CIA whistle-blower, Ms. Susan Lindauer is now available.  “Extreme Prejudice” documents the illegal application of the Patriot Act against Ms. Lindauer, for having done her duty as a CIA operative and an American.  It also documents the fraudulent war on terror, the fraudulent official report on 9-11, the fraudulent attack on Irak and all other nations in the 3rd world, in which the CIA has instigated government overthrows. It also documents the lies against Gadhaffi that the USGOV instigated, and reveals the support to his overthrow that Israel provided.

What you “yam” is unrelated with the word, liberal.

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By terry p, January 4, 2012 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment
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Sometimes reading between the lines is where the truth is most obvious. If it looks like a skunk, smells like a skunk and it sprays that awful lasting stingky liquid on you—you have to conclude that it is a skunk.

The End.

See yawl in some other commentary

tp :?)

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By Shenonymous, January 4, 2012 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, drbhelthi, your conservatism is madly showing.  Since there
might not be any better pimps than Obama, as naive as I yam, I will
stay with the liberal since I yam a liberal.

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By drbhelthi, January 4, 2012 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

@shenonymous
“I do not believe a more seasoned politician could have withstood what he has.”

Quite obviously, you are not acquainted with either his preparation or his promise of payoff.  But then, why should you be?  Your job is to constantly jab at bloggers who are truthful about his malfeasance, to shovel hyperbole on the wonders of the democratic party and generally to support the party line of the current, Zionist-backed administration. 

It is simply wonderful to receive your recognition that it is my right to vote as I care to vote.  Without your recognition, I might vote the way I want to vote, anyway. 

You are mistaken in writing, ” You see, even if you vote third party, it will count for a Republican vote.”  Incredibly naive.  The programming of the voting machines by the GHWBushSr entourage has not been turned off.  Obama is their current pimp.  They will “elect” whomever the Zionist machine tells them to elect.  And with their “programmed” voting machines.  It was all explained by the Report of the Reese Committee, of the USCongress, 1954.

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By Shenonymous, January 4, 2012 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

Hello Synonymos/terry p – ”I probably read between the lines
too much.”
  I think that is a common affliction that doesn’t
bring much sound judgment or even a tincture of truth to public
discussion, but in fact only goes to puff up preconceived biases. 
Then people feed off of it since the rhetoric can be a seduction. 
As I said, a common ailment. 

I am not excusing Obama, nor defending his actions.  I’d feel a whole
lot better if he would explain his actions with respect to Wall Street.  I
am saying I believe he has been expedient with a Congress that was
stacked against him and who did not miss a breath in their attempt
to mutilate every action he attempted.  And that (in accordance with
your criticism of the SCOTUS’ decision of the Citizens United case) the
Tea Party/Conservative Republican effort has been to fulfill their primary
agenda to butcher Obama.  I resent that as I’ve already said.  I do not
believe a more seasoned politician could have withstood what he has.

I am swayed by Bernie Sanders and he might have better weathered
countervailing winds, and in spite of his socialism conservatives would
have gone even more freaky, he is a much older and very white man. 
Yes it has been promise after promise from Obama, but not everything
has been compromised.  Here again is a partial list of what he has done
so far:  http://3chicspolitico.com/president-obamas-accomplishments/ 
Besides, even though Sanders criticizes Obama, yet he supports him.

Karl Rove, we all know who he is don’t we, you know, who helped George
W Bush get elected, and whose Crossroad GPS plans raised $120 million
for Republican candidates.  Obama is going to need every dollar he can
get with the kind of negative ads that has been seen coming from
Republicans in their vicious inter-competition for their Party nomination. 
American politics has become a death dealing catfight.  And don’t forget
that along with the presidential race, every seat in the House, which the
Republicans regained in the November elections, will be up for grabs
again in 2012, as well as one-third of the seats in the Senate. This is
going to be the real battle, the one for Congress, especially for the
Senate. 

M’thinks you might be burdened with crucifixion fever, drbhelthi that is
fuzzying up your brain. 

Neither Synonymos nor myself have equated Obama with a savior, just
the opposite.  I have no gods, saviors, or deities.  Even though I’ve stated
I will vote for Obama again, that is the way of politics.  There will be only
one of two candidates who will win the Presidency in 2012.  For my
money it will not be a Republican.  Any third-party candidate will be once
again only a spoiler.  Obviously you will put your money and vote on the
Republican, it is your right to do so.  You see, even if you vote third
party, it will count for a Republican vote.

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By Foucauldian, January 4, 2012 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

Whatever the case, I have to agree that the poor
aren’t dumb.

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By drbhelthi, January 4, 2012 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

@shenonymous + synonymous

Your responses do not cover the information about “Barrack H. Obama” that is
available, and your references are superficial and distracting.  One must conclude
that your comparison of Obama with Christ reflects your mental entanglement with
the evil forces that placed him into candidacy for the US presidency.  The former
chief custodian of birth records in Hawaii stated that there was no record of birth
for a Barack Obama.  The horn-tooting support you provide for him gets your
message across, and reveals your ignorant and less than patriotic support for the
U.S. Constitution and the Republic for which it stands. 

The racial vote that put “Obama” into the POTUS slot is prepared to put him out of the slot.  Poor folk may be poor, but that does not mean they do not recognize a con-man who has duped them one time already.  They do not care to be duped an additional four by the same con-man.

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By Synonymos, January 4, 2012 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

Comment #12345 by terry p on 1/04 at 8:35 am

Shenonymous: answering > January 3 at 9:27 am

Good morningK :?)

The links were interestingK. But, I wasn’t thinking of ordinary campaign contributions which are still limited and regulated as they should be.  I was thinking of the Supreme court decision - Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, 558 U.S. 08-205 (2010) which basically gave a corporation (a person) permission (the so called first amendment right to this nonliving person) to put as much money as (it) can afford into its own style of promotion for the candidate of its choice.

As for as Obama issuing favors I don’t really know but circumstantial evidence reflects it in his entire cabinet which consists of former banksters and Wall-Street cheer leaders. I’m reading between the lines. I probably read between the lines too much. It seems to me that the performances of our POTUS of the past three years revealed strips not yet developed on the younger proverbial tiger of the past. From the beginning of Obama’s campaign to become POTUS to the beginning of the fourth year in office it has been promise after promise followed by compromise after compromise.

But, As Leefeller points out Obama is the only game left for us in town. And you said his next term can be the side of him we hoped for in the first. I hope yawl are right.

I never really thought of a stallion as having god like qualities. But, Obama has been promoted as the superior orator. I wasn’t implying anything other than he was your choice for President. I was, you know, being silly.

But, if only I could see the slightest evidence of resistance against the banksters instead of simple lip service I might hold my nose and bend a little toward towards GW Obama. But, I see no indication of that he will change. In fact I see more war on the horizon which is a tune played by the same profiteering tyrants that feed our politicians out of their profits made by war and through austerity measures in foreign countries. The price of oil has spiked since this little dance we’re having with Iran escalated a few days ago. It is a familiar scene. Some are predicting WW-III soon. I worry that it is not just fear mongering.


Leefeller: answering >January 3 at 9:38 am

You are right on the money. It seems to me that we can accomplish more by talking rather than insulting. I get a little mouthy at times and regret it later. I’m trying to learn too as you once said about yourself. I have some of the same instincts that you do.

Thanks for having the level head enough to say something about it.


drbhelthi: answer to January 3 at 10:25 am

And Hey man! To, change the subject in a related sort of way, I think you might find this very interestingK! >> http://deanhenderson.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/the-federal-reserve-cartel-part-i-the-eight-families/ <<—- there or 5 parts so it is a fairly long read. But, if you like history and the ultimate conspiracy check it out. I can’t really say I believe every word but I know about most of it. But hey!!! You won’t be able to resist the possibilities once you get started! tp :?]

And while your at it check out “The Web of Debt” by Ellen Brown which I believe has the solutions to our(the 99%ers) problems!

We have common ground!

tp”:?)

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By Shenonymous, January 3, 2012 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Why drbhelthi, your question is dippy.  Is there any reason in the
entire universe why an ordinary person would know anything about
the CIA or CIA operatives?  You must have meant it rhetorically.
Whatever.  You have not made any meaningful point.  I didn’t omit
anything on purpose.  I am not an Obama historian.  You asked for
information regarding Obama’s life from age 20 to his life in Chicago. 
You got fourteen sources of the abundance of what is available from
the ‘Net.  That is a good enough sampling.  If you need more, go for it,
there is enough to drown yourself in.  If you have specific information,
with verifiable references as well as its significance, please stop your
usual paltry gameplaying and just give it.  You’ve shown yourself to
have joined the ranks of the mentally afflicted birthers.  I expected
better of you.  Good grief, man…get a grip.

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By Leefeller, January 3, 2012 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

“What was “Obama´s” line of work the many years between his twentieth birthday and his showing up in Chicago, prior to running for the senate?  Also, where was his citizenship during this period of twenty or so years?”

I thought this same question was raised on someone named Christ? Not sure about the citizenship part!

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By drbhelthi, January 3, 2012 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

@shenonymous

Yes!  Very interesting listing. 
Even has the appearance of having been especially accumulated. 
Perhaps several articles were written especially for specific value.

You omitted one that relates with Obama.  http://wn.com/JOHN_AND_THE_CIA         
click on no. 3.
How many “citizens” knew of Mrs. Valerie Plame Wilson prior to the GHWBushSr entourage event that revealed her genuine employment?

Chip Tatum was not advertised as a CIA agent. http://www.whale.to/b/tatum.pdf
How many CIA operatives do you know who are advertised as CIA operatives?

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By Shenonymous, January 3, 2012 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment

Here are two more:

13. Janny Scott, (July 30, 2007). “Obama’s account of New York
often differs from what others say”. The New York Times: p. B1.
http://tinyurl.com/5be22v

14.  David Mendell,  (2007). Obama: From Promise to Power. New
York: Amistad/HarperCollins. ISBN 0-06-085820-6., pp. 55–62 and
pp. 62–63

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By Shenonymous, January 3, 2012 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment

I gave you this much, take your pick, drbhelthi, you do the research.

1.  Larry Gordon, (January 29, 2007). “Occidental recalls ‘Barry’
Obama”. Los Angeles Times: p. B1. http://tinyurl.com/4yko9b.
2. Maurice Possley, (March 30, 2007). “Activism blossomed in
college”. Chicago Tribune: p. 20. http://tinyurl.com/6agk4f
3.  Serge F. Kovaleski, (February 9, 2008). “Old friends say drugs
played bit part in Obama’s young life”. The New York Times: p. A1.
http://tinyurl.com/7p59z9f
4.  Larry Rohter, (April 10, 2008). “Obama says real-life experience
trumps rivals’ foreign policy credits”. The New York Times: p. A18.
http://tinyurl.com/3e62jk
5.  Adam Goldman and Robert Tanner, (Associated Press) (May 15,
2008). “Old friends recall Obama’s years in LA, NYC”. USAToday.com.
http://tinyurl.com/82xppcg.
6.  Scott Helman, (August 25, 2008). “Small college awakened future
senator to service”. The Boston Globe: p. 1A. http://tinyurl.com/6r4geb.
7.  Brooks Jackson, (June 5, 2009). “More ‘birther’ nonsense: Obama’s
1981 Pakistan trip”. FactCheck.org. http://tinyurl.com/7lfpcgo.
8.  David Remnick, (2010). The Bridge: The Life and Rise of Barack
Obama. New York: Alfred A. Knopf. pp. 98–112. ISBN 978-1-4000-
4360-6.
9.  Barack Obama (1995, 2004), Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race
and Inheritance. New York: Three Rivers Press. ISBN 1-4000-8277-3pp.
92–112.
10. Barack Obama, (1998). “Curriculum vitae”. The University of Chicago
Law School. Archived from the original on May 9, 2001.
http://tinyurl.com/7v9lfs9.
11. Shira Boss-Bicak, (January 2005). “Barack Obama ‘83”. Columbia
College Today. ISSN 0572-7820. http://tinyurl.com/yfa8uae.
12. Sasha Issenberg, (August 6, 2008). “Obama shows hints of his year in
global finance; Tied markets to social aid” (paid archive). The Boston
Globe: p. 1A. http://tinyurl.com/8ax6qrb

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By drbhelthi, January 3, 2012 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

@terry p
“But we do have an electoral college that can sneak in the deciding vote without the
popular approval.”

Agreed.
From my viewpoint, the only fix is to remove it.
The GHWBushSr entourage-rigged voting machine programming also has a fix.
Remove it. 
Which a few insiders have suggested for the GHWBushSr entourage. 
For many years.

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By drbhelthi, January 3, 2012 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

@shenonymous
“Will we be able to see into the truth of them…or not?”

Excellent question.  Calls for another question or two.

What was “Obama´s” line of work the many years between his twentieth birthday and his showing up in Chicago, prior to running for the senate?  Also, where was his citizenship during this period of twenty or so years?

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By Leefeller, January 3, 2012 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

terry p;

Respect must be mutual, from your post, I appreciate your comment and will attempt to keep it logged in me deluded mind!

My post was a bit of leefeller sarcasm, actually residual left overs from frustration on some other posts and news in general, we all seem to be swimming in crap hole right now! Well any of us who happen to feel part of the 99 percent and are aware of it!

Obama seems the only game in town, which is really sad, because the Democrats need a Ron Paul equal like Mike Gravel or Kucinich to make Obama more honest to some of the ideals of the left.  The way it seems to be going we will only be hearing Obama answering to the Republican delusions and Obama does not seem interested in arguing the finer points of hawkishness and war!

Unless something dramatic happens, Obama is my choice for now, the Democrats seem to be the only party with clout who seems to be more populous appreciative, especially at the state levels, just look at Wisconsin Democrats how they had to hide not to vote for a quorum? The Fed Democrats need to get a spine if at all possible, Obama is showing a bit of one his self!

In the end, the populous needs to scrutinize their Democrat candidates with a fine toothed lice comb!

We also need to get the money out,..... now that is deluded!

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By Shenonymous, January 3, 2012 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

Good Morning terry p/Synonymos – Hope springs eternal. 
Obama is not my stallion.  Stallions such as you suggest
do not exist.  Obama is just a man.  I think hero worship and
expectations assigned to them is the heart of the problem with
most who become disappointed in their heroes. It is the
expectation to perform superhuman acts put upon ordained
heroes, humans made into gods.  Obama is just a man like
you, who is compelled to work within a governmental structure,
Congress.  He is not a magician.  I have reflected a good bit on
our, we Americans’, political theater and I’m fairly certain many
have as well.  My disappointment does not come because Obama
was not a superhuman but because I did not understand his history
of wanting to have legislative unity.  It goes back to his days as a
community worker advocate.  Only reading the narrative of his
past career experiences can reveal more about this man than is
generally known and for sure not ever given by any of the news
media.  He is a very cautious politician, wanting to have a
consensus that would neutralize opposition, clearly noted by Peter
Slevin of the Washington Post’s article Feb. 9, 2007 when Obama
announced his candidacy for POTUS.  I will go with the idea that a
leopard does not change its spots and that Obama perennially
offered a hand across the aisle for the sake of perpetuity, lasting
legislation, but once, when safely out of the wolf infested woods,
his mettle asserts itself.  Many Democrat politicians in Congress let
him down, and that in itself needs analysis, for it is their failure to
support the legislation that has impeded what he has tried to do
for the American people.  Everything he has accomplished was hard
won, and is going unsung. 

As far as his campaign contributions sources, see Snopes
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp  especially
the last four paragraphs.  The moral is: Things are not always what
they seem. 

FactCheck attempted to paint Obama contributors with a certain
crude oil tainted brush, but the logic does not hold up.  Their
report at http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/obamas-oil-spill/ 
does not include individuals who were not employed by oil industry
companies, and they try to exonerate their implications by their
mitigating statement that they were not making any judgments
about Obama would be influenced by campaign contributions. 
Really lame.

Anyway, for 2012, Romney has had much greater success than
Obama with the Wall Street money power managers. The Center
for Responsive Politics (CRP) found that Romney has raised nearly
twice as much as the president from what it calls the FIRE sector –
finance, insurance and real estate.  While factual, it does not
exonerate Obama so we have to dig deeper to see why this is
the case.  And as the New York Times has noted, Goldman Sachs
employees gave Obama more than $1 million in the 2008
campaign, but the score so far this time is Romney $350,000,
Obama $45,000.  The term “employee,” however, does not say
too much.  As emploees they are among all Americans who are
employed and who have contributed to Obama.  Should they have
donated to someone else?  Before condemning Obama, I want to
know more, but knowing means verifiable evidence, not merely
unreferenced claims.  (CRP has not provided anything more than
some dollar amounts.) 

It promises to be a very interesting year.  I suspect some very
crazy things will happen.  Will we be able to see into the truth
of them…or not?

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By Synonymos, January 3, 2012 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

Comment #12345 by terry p on 1/03 at 6:22 am

Shenonymous:

I hope you are right that Obama will be a different Democrat than the puppet we’ve seen. Because I have no doubt that he will win. His running money, like a faucet that never goes dry, will come directly from Wall Street. He will owe his prize to them.

It seems that it don’t matter any more what your candidate has morphed into— about his past performances or who his owners are (like a stallion in the race upon whom you’ve placed your bet, dreams and hopes) as long as he comes in first.

I will wait and hope some new face will appear with a new set of dreams and hopes. I have hopes that the Democratic party will regain its respect.  I think it has lost it’s way and needs an example to follow. I think more parties are needed. One might light a path to a better future. I wish Ralph Nader was younger and had a bit more charisma or Dennis Kucinich’s spirit would somehow enter and inhabit Obama’s body and mind. Wishing just don’t help:?[

Until we win a better way I’ll try to find an Occupation to support. If only Obama had the power, maybe he would be the man. The answers, though, aren’t going to come from the polls. You’ve pointed out just how croocked they are and can be. The answer is confrontation in ever growing numbers. I’m not suggesting that we shouldn’t vote but don’t expect the winner to be there for you. We have to keep pushing in the streets no matter who wins.

Best of luck with your stallion!
tp:?)

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By Shenonymous, January 2, 2012 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

Your argument against Democrats, terry p, is like getting a Xmas
present that after you rip off the wrapping paper, you lift the lid of
the box just to see there isn’t anything in the box.  It is empty. 

It is now a famous Republican strategy to say there is no difference
between the Democrats and the Republicans.  But it is just another
one of their bare-faced lies (they are masters at lying, no doubt
about it).  They try to mitigate the potency of Democrats by saying
they are just like Republicans. That absurdity shows the clowns the
Republicans really are.  They cannot hide their atrocious programs
intended to decimate the American people and to frisk them of every
vestige of decency for which only a Democratic government could and
would protect them.  There are lots who will crawl around with such
escapees from the snake pit and if we can help it, I and millions with
me will not let that happen.

About Obama: He has teetered on the edge of being a responsive liberal,
which in any event is way far from over-the-edge any living Republican
would do and have done.  Their 2012 Platform of Destruction is what
they are about.  Their anti-democratic vision would destroy even further
what they have already done to education in America (Jacoby, Hofstatder,
Humes, Richard Wolin and Sheldon Wolin among others) that promises
insanely to wipe out the Department of Education.  They would destroy
the only legislation in 60 years that provides health care for millions of
Americans.  The American Care Act is not the reprobate Republicans who
kiss the asses of the medical industrial complex make it out to be. 
Miscreants like Huckabee whose lips on behalf of the pharmaceuticals
and medical equipment industry beat double time is just one of the
tacticals who repeats a dozen times a day against the ACA.  Can you
imagine how much money one ad costs?  Twelve times a day, seven days
a week, week in and week out.  The amount of money is astronomical
and you can be sure the medical industrial complex is paying for it.  The
Wall Street financiers are beginning to hear the footsteps of the Occupy
Movement with more and more money powerbrokers being indicted. 
And yes, I think Ellen Brown is elated every time that happens.

Obama gets a second chance.  I have come to believe that the first term
has been a descent into hell for a half-black half-white man who would
be and became President of the US.  The hell was devised by Republican
avarice and many hatreds of a democratic system that actually had the
nerve to elect a half non-white man who doubly transgressed as a liberal
half-non-white man.  I further believe that a different Obama will
emerge in a second term, the liberal Obama of his electrifying campaign. 
I am as disappointed as any Democrat in what Republicans have been
able to do under his three years as President.  But as a phenomenal first,
I’ve also come to believe that as a historical figure as the first “black”
President, he had to play the Republican game, for it was a Republican
Congress that relentlessly stymied his liberal programs.  He was cagey
enough to snooker them on occasions.  The Senate was too short of
Democrats to effectively make its slim majority have any power.  And
those Bluedog Democrats who are camouflaged Republicans pretending
to be Democrats kept the imbalance on the conservatives’ side.  It has
not been an easy fence to walk.  I will give him a second term that would
offset the Bush second term that should never have happened.

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Shenonymous:

I agree with everything point you’ve made about the underhanded Republicans. I’m on your side. I just don’t think Obama is.

I don’t believe I’ve given anything up by withholding my vote from an imposter. I will give it. But, before I make any decision I’d like to see what other rat like creatures emerge from the corporate wood works. 

I’m leaning towards Jill Stein in the Greens now but that will probably change.

I think more debate will rise this year out of the wall street occupations—Ellen Brown’s voice would be nice to hear in a debate. A challenge to the banksters, you see! I might write in her name. 

I [think] I’d vote for you. Oh yea:o)

tp:?)

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By terry p, January 2, 2012 at 9:16 am Link to this comment
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You talkin ta me man? I don’t see anybody else left in the room—you talkin ta me? << [my Bob Deniro impression].

I assure you I ain’t no stingkingK’ Rebublican! Socialist? Maybe. More at socialistic. Unlike GW Obama.

For the life of me I can’t figure out what I said that could have lead you to believe that I’m a republican????

I do respect your right to vote but not your vote if it’s for Obama. And I’m not suggesting you change that vote.

And, I respect you Leefeller and your ideals which I have identified with in the past!

tp:?)

PS: I could go on about my democratic convictions but, as you pointed out, we are way off subject.

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By Shenonymous, January 2, 2012 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

In the late 19th century, white elites created a new constitution
with provisions to deprive blacks and poor whites of voting rights
without violating the Fifteenth Amendment.  This was essentially
accomplished through provincial provisions related to making
voter registration more difficult, such as poll taxes and literacy
tests that affected African Americans and poor whites with as much
vehement prejudice and bigotry as white Americans ever had.  After
advancement of the new Constitution of 1895, voting was essentially
restricted to whites for more than 60 years.  The Civil Rights Movement
of the 60s interrupted this immoral travesty. 

The anti-democratic conservative Republicans of the 21st century
are once again attempting to exert the same disenfranchisement, a
neo-de facto subjugation on the order of the same effort the Nazis
did in Germany (thank you Godwin, the truth forces its way out). 
These hypocrites who abhor democracy ought to be disqualified from
participating in the electoral process. 

Those who are conscious and alert to such vile actions will vigorously
intervene and drop kick the heinous Republicans out of the ball park.

As I said, if for no other reason than to defeat the Republicans, I will vote
for Barack Obama.  Who you vote for, terry p, or if you want to give up
voting, is entirely your choice.

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By Leefeller, January 2, 2012 at 5:29 am Link to this comment

Who I vote for is none of your fucking business, if I want to vote for Obama I will! Which has absolutely nothing to do with this article, except the obvious denial of disenfranchisement choreographed by the Repulcians/Koch Red State voter suppression seems part of the Republican plan to support and though on their one term president Obama plan!

The argument we first heard around the Red States was “we must stop voter fraud”  which now has been changed to saying “we may not have voter fraud, but must work diligently to make sure voter fraud never has a chance to show its little fraudy face!”

Any ass hole who says the Democrats are part of the the voter suppressing agenda may take a glace at the Koch Red States and still make their same ass hole comment because they support voter superstition.

The Republican attack on Acorn was just the first little shot across the 99 percents bow, consummated by Red States like slime bag Wisconsin Walker, who blatantly and shamelessly prostitutes himself to the proclivities of the money bag Koch Brothers is just one more free bowling ball shoved up the collective asses of 99 percent!

By the way I never say tolls,.... except when I happen to find an ass hole who reeks with disagreement to my well instituted opinions permeated from my many years of copious self indulged wisdom! So you fricking trolls out there know who you are and take your Red State mental midget thinking with you!

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By Shenonymous, January 1 at 3:15 pm

“I will vote again for Barack Obama.”

You’ve got to be kidding. 

I personally would give up voting if he was the only choice representing the left of which I am a part. The Clinton’s were the closest to his caliber of right wing democrat which screams oxymoron. Compromise Compromise Compromise until there is nothing left for the left. What do you think they were holding out for in their negotiations?

You talk of republicans as though they are different than democrats. There is no middle ground any more. They’re the same ground—the Wall Street grounds. 

So, just vote for the same lies told by the same liar, you say - just to say you vote against the republicans? Can’t you see that we have been robbed of our country? It’s going to take more than voting now else we will never approach democracy again. There will only be a republic much like ancient Roam.


It seems to me that a politician should be accountable for his or her promises and especially for his criminal war behavior. What were they thinking? What are you thinking by giving him another chance? The way to punish a politician for his deceit is taking away your vote. He must not be rewarded.

tp:?]

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By Shenonymous, January 1, 2012 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

I am now sure, after reading these latest posts, and if for no other
reason than to tell the Republicans to go straight to hell and that
their plan from the day he was elected to make Obama a one-term
president is not going to succeed, that they cannot dictate who will
be my President, a man who was chosen by the ordinary people in
2008, I was among them, that I will vote again for Barack Obama.

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By Foucauldian, December 31 at 7:27 am

“Calling one another trolls is not going to solve
anything, gentlemen. “

Amen to that.

I guess we ran out the IMaximus Aurelius comments so we turned on each others—-

  drbhelthi—>  The history of republicans trying to steal our votes & voting rights goes back a lot further than the Bushit’s. They established the electoral college in the beginning with the approval of the democrats which is a way for them to win elections without the popular vote.

I also agree with you that POTUS, as you call GW Obama, is just the Bushit’s in living color. The entire corporate lot is related to the Rothschild family at least in their greed and history of underhanded tricks. Stealing elections is their business whether by propaganda or voting machine data mining not people without picture IDs. There is a big problem by professional criminals like the Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia corps but not with ordinary people trying to vote more than once. I also doubt there are mobs of aliens casing the polls to sneak votes in without their picture ID’s. But we do have an electoral college that can sneak in the deciding vote without the popular approval.

From the beginning our electoral college needed fixing. The National Popular Vote bill should be able to do just that.  It could reform the system so that the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC will become President.  Go Here for more info >> http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

AS for the idea of compromise, Lafayette: I don’t like it. I have a few average ideas about it. Why is compromise a job for Democrats only? I understand the idea of give and take. But Republicans are all take and no give. I don’t like the idea of compromising our ideals and values like Social Security, education, our constitutional privileges, healthcare, habeous corpus, our national reputation which is the same imperialistic thievery we won our independence from, public institutions - like once we had a national bank and now we don’t, the threat of our very existence by nuclear war,  global habitat through warming, etc… What’s the use of winning if we give everything back. It’s like we were taken for fools when we voted for all those lies.

Wall street Occupiers don’t listen to either Democrat or Republican at this stage of the game. I think something in favor of the people is going to manifest there when we progressives emerge. It is hard to imagine more right now. The movement is still strong and growing with dissatisfaction of the present system. Voting don’t seem to be in their plans. They know that voting isn’t going to change the thing that needs changing namely the Central Bank should be a national institution. Their way seems to be changing things better than voting for a fraud…

People should realize what they are instead of what they dream of being. Gold fever victims like alcoholics to booze will vote for republican pipe dreamers like they are kings. Gold fever is similar to to faithful Democrats who putting their candidate in office for the service of the GOP. I will always be one of the .99%ers no matter how much I accumulate. I have no delusions that I’m just one in several billion. But I will vote. It will likely be a write in, even if it ends up stolen by the repubs.

tp:?)
PS: read “The Web of Debt” By Ellen Brown and pass it on!!

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By Foucauldian, December 31, 2011 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

Thanks for responding.

Just to let you know, my post wasn’t meant as an
insult to either of you.

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By drbhelthi, December 31, 2011 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

@Foucauldian

If you read my blog carefully, you will find that I call no one a troll or any other similar name.  However, numerous bloggers have identified Lafayette as a troll, and worse. 
Perhaps you have overlooked their blogs.

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Calling one another trolls is not going to solve
anything, gentlemen.

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By Lafayette, December 31, 2011 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

DRB: Neither of which explains the practice of the current demo element of the US Congress, nor that of their official leader, Barack H. Obama. 

More nitwit bloggery from DRB.

Let us remember: Do not feed the trolls ...

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By drbhelthi, December 31, 2011 at 2:59 am Link to this comment

@ Lafayette                                                                        
“Most bloggers haven’t the foggiest notion of how important, in the present system of governance, it is to make compromises to get elected.”

More pomposity by Lafayette.  The opposite comes closer to being accurate.           
Most bloggers are aware of the compromises, and the very limited elbow-room at the top.  Neither of which explains the practice of the current demo element of the
USCongress, nor that of their official leader, Barack H. Obama. 

The situation is better explained by what we have experienced since GHWBushSr
secretively took over the C.I.A. in the 1950s, and the GHWBushSr entourage took over Texas, then the Republican party, then the congress.  Which NAZI dogma has been advanced since the current occupant, of the POTUS position, took office.  The
problem is much greater than a few democrats or republicans in congress, whose
lives and lives of their families have been threatened if they didn´t play “follow the
leader.” 

While the Obama-Clinton team preach democracy around the world, pleasing the
naïve among the 99%, they implement empire, in accordance with demands of the
1%.  The murderous “stage show” pulled off in Tucson in January, to disguise the
assassination of Judge John Roll, demonstrated what happens to “underlings” who
do not follow the NAZI script.  It also clearly demonstrates the disregard for human life of the CIA/FBI operatives who design and carry out such assassinations, murdering innocent children. 

In spite of Judge Roll´s having negated a basic element of the Brady Bill, the NAZI
entourage has used executive directive – and simply violating federal law – in the
attempt to disarm the US citizenry.  The illegal gun-running to Mexican drug moguls
sponsored by the Dept. of Justice, for example. 

I find it very saddening, that the FBI has become a tool of the C.I.A. Worse still, that
all are tools of the WWII NAZIs.
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8252175042329977626#

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By Lafayette, December 30, 2011 at 9:58 pm Link to this comment

GRIDLOCK

She: I believe Obama’s general intentions are liberal and antithetical to conservative Republicanism regardless of all the excessive compromises he has made.

Well put.

Most bloggers haven’t the foggiest notion of how important, in the present system of governance, it is to make compromises to get elected. First within one’s own political machine and then with the public at large.

When, and if, one makes it up to the top of the pile, the elbow-room left is not much, especially if an apathetic voter-turnout hands Congress over to the opposition, which has occurred in spades.

We’ve been building this nonsensical political machine brick-by-brick since WW2, when that pause should have given birth to a new political class - as it did in Europe, which was obliged to wipe the slate clean and start anew thus bringing Social Democracy.

But, no, we got into the Cold War with the Ruskies and thus any real change was postponed and then forgot.

And here we are in political no-man’s-land. With a PotUS who has every chance of losing the next election up against either of two Republican dorks who couldn’t find their way out of a wet paper-bag let alone the deep-doodoo Uncle Sam has got himself into.

MY POINT

We have a 20th-century political apparatus within a New Millennium context that is quite obviously not in our favor. Congressional Gridlock IS NOT THE WAY FORWARD out of the present miasma.

It is grossly callous to let this economy rot simply to obtain an electoral advantage bringing untold harm to the poorest of our nation. Whilst “the boys” indulge themselves in a pissing-contest down in LaLaLand on the Potomac.

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By Lafayette, December 30, 2011 at 9:37 pm Link to this comment

A LITMUS TEST

ALEC: a conservative advocacy group whose founder explained: ‘Our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.’”

It is nonetheless pleasing to see the Replicants admitting the obvious: That the persistent political apathy of American voters to turnout at the polls helps conservative candidates. Which is how the Koc Brothers won the midterms by funding T-Party (T for troglodyte) candidates.

See a comparative listing of voter turnout around the world here - be sure to scroll down to the bottom to see our score.

We are not yet the World Champions of democracy, are we? But bitching-in-a-blog, yes-siree! Right up there with the best!

Let’s get off our collective duffs and get out to vote. Preferably for progressive candidates. Which ones are those? Yep, difficult to find “em.

They are a strange political animal in America. Some hide in Congress, but like mushrooms, if they raise their heads too high, they get cut off (from campaign funding). Besides, most of the American public cannot distinguish them from your “one-size-fits-all Democrat”.

So, here’s my proposition for a Progressive Agenda to Reform America   that may serve as a litmus test for Progressive Candidates.

Reforming America is not going to happen neither over-night nor at the next elections in November.

MY POINT

We’ve taken decades to get into this Political Mess, so it will take at least a decade to get out. But only if we, the sheeple, start voting with a Progressive Purpose.

Repeating the “same old story” with this feckless political class just wont cut the mustard anymore. It’s the slippery-slope downwards to perdition.

POST SCRIPTUM

The right to vote is like an aptitude - use it or lose it ...

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By drbhelthi, December 30, 2011 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

@shenonymous
“- - democracy has been eroded by the anti-democratic impulses of the conservative
right-wing Republicans.”

What we have experienced since GHWBushSr secretively took over the C.I.A. in the
1950s, and the GHWBushSr entourage took over Texas, then the Republican party, is
much larger than “right-wing Republicans.”  As has been that which we have
experienced and observed since the current occupant of the POTUS position took
office.  The problem is much greater than a few democrats in congress, who could
not be bought-off, and whose lives and lives of their families have been threatened
if they didn´t play “follow the leader.”  Obviously, a few impromptu heart attacks, airplane crashes and a couple of “suicides” got the point across.  Reinforced by the assassination of Judge John Roll in Tucson in January, whose decision against the “Brady Bill” crossed GHWBushSr.  The event was a stage show to cover up the assassination of Judge Roll.  Sad, that the FBI has become a tool of the C.I.A.
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8252175042329977626#

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By Shenonymous

“Oh yeah.”
ditto
:?) tp

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By Shenonymous, December 29, 2011 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

I cannot answer nor excuse all of the executive actions of Obama,
nor the actions of all of the Democrats in Congress.  I do not
pretend to be privy to the rationale for some of Obama’s actions,
and only criticize him for things I do know about and do not like,
and I have both publicly on blogsites as well as writing to him
directly. Because I am a Democrat does not mean I cannot criticize
any politician, nor does it mean I will abandon the liberal values I
have because of individual politicians’ actions.  I believe Obama’s
general intentions are liberal and antithetical to conservative
Republicanism regardless of all the excessive compromises he has
made.  Not “all” Democrats are warthogs. But I’ve already conceded
that some Democrats, and those who have had the power to legislate,
have been derelict in living up to the liberal values of the Democratic
Party, Nebraska Nelson is only one, and we will have to work hard to
keep that seat from going to a conservative Republican.  They eventually
will be replaced by those who do.  Regardless of what others may think
of me, I consider myself a reflective liberal Democrat interested in the
health and welfare of the society in which I live.  Social liberals (modern
liberals) and progressives constitute roughly half of the Democratic voter
base.

”Perhaps you need to clue this group into their appropriate roles.”  I
agree and that is a large part of my project to defeat Republicans.  My
dialogue with the Democratic Party and other Democrats is exactly that. 
Also, ”it appears that the minds of millions of Americans are ?beginning
to wither.“
  Agreed as descriptive of right-wing conservative minds.

It might be true that strict laissez faire capitalism is destructive, but it
is pure self-delusional, in my opinion, to think some form of capitalism
is not going to be the basis of American economic system, or most of
the world for that matter.  There is simply too much investment in it
and there is no populist movement that will change it.  Socialized
capitalism might be a viable alternative.  Marxism is not and has not
had much of a successful history.  It has had plenty of chances.  Those
countries that have tried it have either failed or have mutated to include
more and more capitalistic features. There must be some attraction for
democratic government since democracy is what is being uncountably
died for in the many protests going on in the world, including the
Occupy Movements who see their democracy has been eroded by the
anti-democratic impulses of the conservative right-wing Republicans.

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By drbhelthi, December 29, 2011 at 12:16 pm Link to this comment

@shenonymous

“To say that the American Democratic Republic is dead is only dead in
withered minds.“

Perhaps.  When talking about the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands - - .  Although, it appears that the minds of millions of Americans are
beginning to wither.  However. 

Where were the minds of alleged democrats when NDAA2011 was being considered?  And, why was the dem. occupant of the POTUS slot reported to have said he might not sign it?  He requested senators to remove the phrase that protected Americans from illegal arrest and deportment to Guantanamo-type lock-ups for an indefinite period of time.  Where are the democrats that you so valiantly describe as benevolent defenders of the underdogs?

Perhaps you need to clue this group into their appropriate roles.

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By Foucauldian, December 29, 2011 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

An expose of the toxic combo involving capitalism and
liberal democracies.  As David Harvey hammers it in,
the problem is systemic.

http://tinyurl.com/5tow69r

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By Shenonymous, December 29, 2011 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

I can’t argue that Democrats are perfect.  They have political
warts and warthogs. Politics is a reactionary human activity and
too often people will act against the principles of what their party
stands for.  This goes for Republicans as well as Democrats.  Out
of ignorance ordinary people often will vote against their own best
interests. The basic principles of liberalism is what is the foundation
of the Democratic Party, and that means the promotion of fairness,
assistance to those who cannot assist themselves, protection
of those who cannot defend themselves, allowing a person to
experience all that they can that does not interfere with anyone
else’s welfare.

It is my view that the Republican Party is self-serving, anti-democratic
and anti-humanistic.  This Party is the uncontested model of political
lying and would stoop to anything to swipe the power of government
in order to further the benefit of the corporatocrats and wealthy.  If that
is your persuasion, it is your choice.  It is my intention to defeat every
Republican in every election possible. 

To say that the American Democratic Republic is dead is only dead in
withered minds. 

The current Supreme Court run by Roberts is headed in the direction
of the “Lochner era,” named for the 1905 exemplary case which in
which the Supreme Court initiated an era of over 200 decisions bashing
worker rights and undermining economic fairness to benefit the already-
wealthy.  This laid the foundation for rampantly unchecked corporate
abuse.  Now corporations are considered as equivalent to people. “New
cases may have different doctrinal logic, and over the century the
economy has changed immensely, but the bottom lines are peculiarly
similar, which is to grant constitutional protection to unequal economic
power in the deceitfully appropriated name of personal liberty.”

Ihnen Gesundheit und Glück bis das Ende Ihres Lebens als Ausgleich
wünschen. balkas.  Schützen Sie Ihren Reichtum um jeden Preis.

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By balkas, December 29, 2011 at 8:44 am Link to this comment

if only Democrats and Republicans have a chance to get elected, i’d vote
for a Repub runner before any Democratic contender. repubs appear, to
me, more truthful than Dems. comments are closed to this comment.
i am not gonna allow any lip from the blogal warmers.
vote for lesser evil and dat covers all 4 bases!
cross my heart and on the bible! ich wuensche allen menschen
schwesterheit und bruederschaft! danke!

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By Foucauldian, December 29, 2011 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

Of course, Michael.  Both R & D form the same
establishment.  The rules of the game are the same,
and the game is for show, not for real.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, December 28, 2011 at 10:57 pm Link to this comment

I was an Official Observer in the 2004 Re-Count. I happen to know quite a bit about Voter Fraud, Stolen Elections and such. Hell, I even wrote a live report while I was in Ohio. Titled Stolen Elections- Lost Democracy. It can still be found.

So here we are. The Republicans stole elections,  deliberately disenfranchising blacks and poor people in Ohio (and elsewhere) They also used Diebold, ES&S and Triad voting machines to hijack elections electronically. In 2000 the Republicans stole the election by deliberately taking about 90,000 mainly blacks off the voter rolls in Florida. Both of these instances are very direct violations of the 1965 Voter Rights Act. Violations of the law.

The Democrats let them both times.

Now the Dems and Repubs are keeping people off of the ballot all over the country. It started in Pennsylvania where Dems illegally kept Ralph Nader off the ballot. They did it again in Ohio.

Now, the ability to even get on the ballot has been made almost illegal and impossible in California, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Georgiaand many other states.
Again, in direct violation of the HAVA laws. But the rule of law means nothing any more. This Democratic Republic is dead.

No one cares. So please carry on with your pretend opposition Dems and Repubs. Your corporate masters are happy. BUT- people are waking up to this.

There will be a reckoning.

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By Shenonymous, December 28, 2011 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

A site for casual reading about voter fraud:

http://mindprod.com/politics/election.html  I particularly like
this Canadian-who-watches-American-politics site as Roedy Green
seems to make sense and gives Democrat sins as well in election
mischief.  His observation on: Fraud Inequities
“The American election is designed to make fraud easy, especially in
absentee voting. Voters are sometimes, but not always, required to
show id. If you are a black voter, much more likely ID will be demanded.
If you are black, much more likely such ID will be declared invalid.
Absentee voters are not even required to provide the number on the
voter ID card if they plan to vote Republican or Democratic, because
those two parties are given the list of voter id numbers to apply to
absentee ballot requests that the parties print, mail out, and validate
before submitting them. In other words, those people voting Republican
or Democratic by absentee ballot need never show any id at all, ever!
They can vote as many times as they want without even the risk of
showing up at the polling place.

The IDs are issued by a single canvassing officer in each county,
without any uniform accounting scheme, or cross checking of
canvassing officer’s integrity. It is a simple matter to discover which
voter IDs belong to voters who rarely vote, and submit phony absentee
ballot requests for them, using the computer tapes provided to the
Republican and Democratic parties. It is like giving the mint’s printing
plates to the Republican and Democrat Parties and telling them “We
trust you not to use them to print any money”.

The solution is a proper voter id card, ideally a smart card with embedded
digitally signed photo of the voter. This makes it forge proof. You must always
use this card to get an absentee ballot or to vote, no exceptions. The voter id
card should contain a digital fingerprint so that you can ensure no duplicates
are issued. The fingerprint itself exists only in the card. When you apply for a
new card, that automatically invalidates any previous card you were issued.
The voter id card ensures you vote only once and in only one place.”

A few more sites:
http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/articles/20things.html
http://verifiedvotingfoundation.org/
http://www.votergate.tv/
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/943
http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/Unexplained_exit_poll_discrep_v001.pdf

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By Shenonymous, December 28, 2011 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

It is called reciprocity, Imax.  You know, the old goosie/gander
do-si-do.  What the Republicans do and have done to the American
people is superlatively more hateful and fear-mongering than I could
ever put forth, but I do try my best to show them for what they are. 
They have been and are deadly to the American people and need to
be defeated in every election possible.  By the way, didn’t you pull that
flimsy idea that 14% of self-proclaimed liberals who take the time to vote
on issues out of your gluteus maximus? 5 yups as usual.  It’s where you
get all of what you pretend is information.  My criticisms always give
resources to back them up.

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By IMax, December 28, 2011 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

kerryrose,

Do you have an opinion on this subject or are you taking this opportunity to vent?

I hope you take the time to vent at the polling place next time around. - Don’t forget your photo ID.

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By kerryrose, December 28, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

IMax

You’re a boring troll. Where did you come from?  Getting sick of reading your nonsense after every article lately.

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By gerard, December 28, 2011 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

“I agree voter fraud is a red herring.. but since it is an important issue to many Americans
why don’t the Dems get involved?”
  To the extent that they (or anyone else) expose the fact that “voter fraud is a red herring” the Dems ARE involved just by exposing the fraud.

  “It leaves them vulnerable to accusations of supporting dangerously loose voter standards.” But, but, but ... if they do not expose the fact that “voter fraud is a red herring,” they are supporting “voter fraud”, aren’t they???

  Hey, wait a minute!  Where wuz I?

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By mikeykeat, December 28, 2011 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment
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Amy, I watch and enjoy Democracy Now every single day.  I am a donator/supporter.  Your show has shown me the LIE of our present two party system.  Obama was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me.  I was so full of HOPE for CHANGE and voted for him.  But the lies continue.

Please know I am for paying my taxes when they go to JUST CAUSES…But the system is UPSIDE DOWN under MOST Democrats and Republicans alike.  I sponsor Orphans of Native American and South American origin with a small monthly contribution…..

I have switched my registered party to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries….I know this may sound like sacrilege as a Liberal; but it is no longer true from my viewpoint.

NO ONE scares the Rethug establishment like he does.  What good is an EPA that allows BP to only pay $4Billion out of the $20Billion they owe?  What good is a Department of Energy that spends most of its budget on Military Industrial Complex expenditures?  What good is an income tax that funds $2Billion per week on WAR?  Alan Grayson is my favorite politician..I wish he was our President..And he teamed up with Ron Paul on SO MANY fronts… 

And for those who call Ron Paul a “Racist” I say see this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej5_rZof7MA&feature=related

Obama is a lie…

Real democrats in Congress unveil his largest campaign contributor; namely Goldman Sachs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGczVEWKgl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY8kOmipKQY

My sincerest prayers, hopes and dreams wish you a Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous 2012 for you, your family (especially your brother!), your friends, and your Democracy Now Associates.

Please see this when you have time as to why I am SCARED to DEATH of a National ID card…

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

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By examinator, December 28, 2011 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

This photo id thingy is grade “A” genuine, active liquid rocking horse poo, Part of Dr Cockanbull’s Miracle Medical Cure Travelling Show!!  How hard do you think it would be to fake a photo id? Especially for those who really want to? Keep in mind good fake passports etc are available!
In truth voting checks are the same as locks….to keep the inept and honest people honest. A background in security design taught me that.
These ALEC originated bills are excluders (period). 
The supreme court should strike them down PDQ.
I think it’s time that the control of who votes how and counted for all jurisdictions should be centralised in an *independent* Body on a federal basis like it is in most of the democratic countries. I also believe its time voting became mandatory…Kennedy said ask not…..but what you can do for your country, surely voting is the least we can all do. Democracy worke on the principles of statistics…The bigger the sample the more accurate it it is in defining what the majority of the people want.
ALEC know this and want to exclude.
It is only through an active majority that politics of the parties will be forced to change.
Like businesses they’ll do the minimum and take the maximum they can get away with.

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By ChukLitl, December 28, 2011 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Since poll taxes are illegal, some form of free registered voter ID must be offered in order to make it legal to require ID.

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By Foucauldian, December 28, 2011 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

balkas, December 28 at 12:31 pm

Haven’t been following much the Anderson campaign,
balkas.  I think “the Justice Party” —I think
“the People’s Party” would have a nicer ring if if
were truly that.  That is if it could garner a
great following from the blacks, women, gay, all
our “invisibles.”  We need a party to represent the
people just like in Rome the tribunes of the people
represented the interests of the plebs.

In any case, it would be a good way to register a
show of general discontent, to serve as a platform
upon which to build.

Ron Paul, whatever his virtues or vices, doesn’t
stand a chance as long as he plays by the rules of
the conventional politics.  We must transcend the
existing political categories and offer something
new.  That would be a start.

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By IMax, December 28, 2011 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

SoTexGuy,

I agree with your entire post less one thing. We do know of thousands of instances of voter fraud across the country. The numbers we are aware of certainly appear negligible on the surface, however, voting requirement audits have been nearly nonexistent for decades (six years ago my voting precinct was changed. All the board required from me as proof of identification was a utility bill. I still could have been anyone).

The real issue, as you point out so well, is in how nearly all Americans agree that every ballot should be legally qualified with a Photo ID. Everything else, republican or democrat, is either political maneuvering or, not unlike many republican politicians, or hate and fear-mongers such as Shenonymous, use for other purposes.

I still find it appalling that only 14% of self-proclaimed liberals take the time to vote on issues that effect their own city, county and State. We don’t use the most powerful voice we have but Occupying a tent in a public space is regarded as meaningful. How embarrassing.

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By MeHere, December 28, 2011 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

The main issue is that it is archaic for a country that calls itself the “united states”
and claims to be a democracy to have individual states determine how voting
should be conducted. Shouldn’t we already have a national standard
as part of federal election laws?  Just one more aspect of the corruption
inherent in the election system.

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By balkas, December 28, 2011 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

foucauldian,
fill us in on rocky anderson, wld you, please? not, of course, about his faults or
virtues, but on solley what he and his justiceusa party stands for.

i heard him speak [or did i read it] of recent u.s wars as wars of aggression rather
than, say of iraq, vietnam, korean, afghan war.
i haven’t come across such usage of labels by any other politico in u.s.
how about ron paul? how does he label what to me, et al, are criminal ventures,
collective punishment of also utterly innocent people? tnx

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By SoTexGuy, December 28, 2011 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

Demonstrate you are who you say you are prior to voting? What an outrage! Or is it? You have to show a photo ID before getting your own bank account balance.. show ID and leave your thumbprint to cash your own paycheck in many cases.. Don’t want to demonstrate your right to vote? That really doesn’t seem too onerous a burden.

Voter fraud is largely an imaginary boogeyman used mostly by the Republicans, right! .. On the other hand there really is no cogent argument against insuring that only those qualified under our Constitution to vote are doing so.. Democrats sit by the sidelines and snipe at the (sometimes overboard) efforts of the Republicans to safeguard voting privileges.

What’s preventing the Democrats from participating in an effort to insure only people legally eligible to vote are doing so? I agree voter fraud is a red herring.. but since it is an important issue to many Americans why don’t the Dems get involved? It leaves them vulnerable to accusations of supporting dangerously loose voter standards.  Instead they spend their time decrying Republican
proposals.

Hmmm… are there really unqualified people voting? .. and do both parties agree that the Democrats are getting those votes?

It’s an interesting concept.

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By gerard, December 28, 2011 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Maybe we need a Human Society that requires a photo ID of people who demand photo IDs who…etc.?
  Better yet, adopt a pet peeve such as “We have too many colored people voting in this country!” and then simply stop going through the process of voting and just get Koch Bros. to flat-out choose who should be President and get rid of this democratic nonsense!
  Or how about this: Install some of those 25-cents- a-shot auto-photo booths in every voting place (secretly attached, of course, to Homeland Security surveillance equipment) and people could just step in there first, get mugged, and then proceed to pick up their ballots.. or not, as the case might be.  A buzzer would sound if they were not “legally qualified”—which could mean anything I want it to mean. That would cut down on the nuisance of counting so many millions of votes, and Diebold would just have to find another way to screw the Republic.

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By bpawk, December 28, 2011 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

Joyce Turner
You say: “My mother, age 89, will not be able to vote in TN because she has no photo ID.  To get one she needs to travel 25 miles and wait an average of 5 1/2 hours in line.  She must use a walker and can’t wait that long in line.  There is no alternate plan for those who can’t endure the process.”

I bet if she won the lottery but in order to claim the prize she had to show a photo ID to show citizenship as well as the ticket, she’d travel 500 miles and wait 10 hours in line, walker or not, so she could get the lottery money.

... where there’s a will there’s a way ....

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By IMax, December 28, 2011 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

Joyce Turner,

Your good Mother may vote absentee.

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By balkas, December 28, 2011 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

be it as it may regarding personal documentation in order to vote, voting, in one-party system of rule, appears
just about the least important structural member of such governance.

money or, rather, the [ab]use of it [pick one or both] appears to me by far more an important structural member of
said rule than voting.
but even schooling/education cld be deemed as by far more important structural member than voting.

most americans [and not only americans, sorry to note] do not realize [and they won’t be asked/begged/urged to
realize] how private ownership [of goods that shld belong to everyone], cia/fbi agents, city police/army echelons,
‘education’, w.h, congress, MSM, religions, finances, judiciary, hollywood, tv infantainment mesh together
smoothly just like the parts of a well functioning car.

if just cia [or for the car, say, a tire] malfunctions or does not perform as wanted or expected, the structure is
impaired to a great degree.
politicos, et al, i suggest, know this. it goes under the name of “cheques and balances”. and it always must and
the military might of the one percent [or 20%] ensure that everything balances out perfectly; of course, only for the
1 to 20% of americans.
thus, splitting this perfect balancing into a democratic one and the other into a republican one, appears as
deception. tnx

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By Shenonymous, December 28, 2011 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

Yes indeed, take the wind out of the Republican sails, and do get
a photo ID, then give them the middle finger!  Go Vote!  Oh yeah.

Where is the evidence that the Democratic Party is “colluding” to
make it impossible to get on the ballot if not connected to or
opposed to the one money party?  It is absurd., a prefabrication
blog shills of the Republican Party use to hustle other commenters
and intended to grind down your own thinking skills and assault
your ability to assess reality.  If anything it is the Democrats who
are using whatever muscle they can assemble to stop the aggression
on voters to disqualify them.  Oh yeah.

The gerrymandering is being attempted by the Republicans in every state
they possible can push that action and thank the Democratic US Attorney
General for scrutinizing and finding egregious attempts by Republicans
to restrict voting rights and victimize voters with a baseless claim of
voter fraud, and stopping them cold.  If any fraud takes place it is
Republicans fixing voting machines to throw out votes that don’t reflect
a vote for their preferred candidates.  Oh yeah.

With the age of the hacker upon us as evidenced by WIkileaks,
Anonymous, etc., there is no reason to not suspect the Republicans
would invest in voter tampering especially in view of their attempt to
shape the voter population in 38 states!  Also in August 2007, Wikipedia
Scanner found that edits via the company’s IP addresses occurred to
Diebold’s Wikipedia article, removing criticisms of the company’s
products, references to its CEO’s fund-raising for President Bush and
other negative criticism from the Wikipedia page about the company in
November 2005.  Source is: See Who’s Editing Wikipedia - Diebold, the
CIA, a Campaign
– Wired article by John Borland, Aug. 14, 2007.  The
ridiculous effort to convince the denizens of this website that Democrats
are involved in voter fraud is a laugh riot.  Tales told by idiots full of
sound and fury.  Oh yeah.

In 2004 more than 80% of the vote was counted by three private
corporations Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia. They refused to open their
software for inspection or to submit to audit procedures. Had they
wanted, they could have stolen the election and there would be no way to
check up on them. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two
companies: Diebold and ES&S.  Oh yeah.

Diebold is owned by a Christian Reconstructionist family who wants to
overthrow the US Constitution and replace it with a Christian theocracy. 
What a peculiar group to trust with the core process of democracy, one
dedicated to destroying it!  Republicans are anti-democratic and don’t
trust the democratic voting process. Oh yeah.

Chuck Hagel was chairman of the board of AIS, the owner of ES&S, the
voting machine that computerised Nebraska’s vote. Hagel was the first
Republican in 24 years to win a seat. He won all demographic groups
including blacks.  Oh yeah.

Republicans Tom Delay and Dennis Hastert (both skewered by other
scandals) successfully fought against auditing of voting machines. It is
bit peculiar to put a candidate in charge of counting the vote. He is about
the least impartial person you could find.  Oh yeah.

BTW:  Sequoia is partly owned by Saudi and Venezuelan investors. Saudi
Arabia is the country that provided the 9/11 hijackers. Venezuela
spawned Hugo Chavez, a major thorn in the American hide. Again, odd
people to entrust with picking your country’s next leaders.  Oh yeah.

Just never never never forget, The Republican Party is the Party Against
the People.

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By bpawk, December 28, 2011 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

Foucauldian,

You say:
“I’m an avid fan of Amy… I would be happier, if instead of this article, we were treated to her
expose on the corruption which permeates our entire
political system. A massive no-voting turnout might send a more powerful message. ..”

Truthdig, as I’m finding out as you get closer to the election, is more of a Democrat mouthpiece than a truth digger so of course corruption on both sides won’t be discussed. Other Western democracies require photo IDs to vote and there’s nothing discriminatory about that. If people don’t want to vote, you can’t make them.

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By Foucauldian, December 28, 2011 at 10:05 am Link to this comment

Blueokie, December 27 at 8:53 pm

I must reiterate the closing line of the comment:

“The easiest way to make a man a slave is to give
him a vote and tell him he’s free.” - Albert Camus

I’m an avid fan of Amy, no question about it, and I
commend her for airing out injustices whenever and
wherever they occur.  I would be happier, however,
if instead of this article, we were treated to her
expose on the corruption which permeates our entire
political system.

A massive no-voting turnout might send a more
powerful message.

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By radicalfemme, December 28, 2011 at 7:00 am Link to this comment
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I come from a day and age where poll taxes were used in the south to keep minorities from voting.  There are also a large amount of older American’s do not have any kind of an ID (I have a few relatives who don’t).  I can see requiring an ID if it’s going to be made simple where people are able to obtain one.  But, from what I have read from several different sources the new requirements in some states make it impossible for older American’s and college students both to obtain one.  They have made it to where a person literally has to jump through hoops in order to get one. This is deliberate as far as I can see to discourage a lot of people from voting. It’s designed to make sure one of the main political parties has an advantage.  By seriously handicapping the other one with this phony charge of voter fraud that they know doesn’t exist.

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By Joyce Turner, December 28, 2011 at 6:26 am Link to this comment
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My mother, age 89, will not be able to vote in TN because she has no photo ID.  To get one she needs to travel 25 miles and wait an average of 5 1/2 hours in line.  She must use a walker and can’t wait that long in line.  There is no alternate plan for those who can’t endure the process.

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By IMax, December 28, 2011 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

The Humane Society requires a photo ID in order to adopt a pet but, yet, many States make no such demand in order to vote.

In the United States the wealthy, the poor, black, white, Asian, Hispanic, North-South-East and West well over 90% of the electorate support having to display a photo ID in order to vote. This common sense issue enjoys overwhelming support across all political, economic and geographic lines.

Studies show us that among those who fail to apply for a photo ID only 4% actually go to the ballot on election day.

In light of these facts where, I wonder, is the discrimination’?

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It’s sad that less than 50% of Americans actually exercise their right to be heard. In off-year elections that number drops to roughly 20%. Among self-proclaimed liberals that number falls to roughly 14%.

- How said is it that only 14% of liberal minded Americans take the time to be heard in off-year, issues oriented, elections?

We need to get off our collective asses and Occupy the Congress. We need to exercise our voice in how American children are educated. We need to Occupy our local School Boards.

Put out that blunt, fold up your tent, take a bath, get a photo ID and GO VOTE!

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By bpawk, December 28, 2011 at 5:18 am Link to this comment

In Canada, in order to vote, it’s mandatory that you show a photo ID (whether health card or driver’s licence), your birth certifcate and a piece of ID showing your address in the district you’re voting in.  No one has ever complained as everyone feels that this ensures no one can vote twice or people who aren’t allowed to vote cannot vote.  Weeks before the election, canvassers go around to residences and make sure you are on the list (they also give you a card to bring with you to show election officials).  I don’t see anything wrong with any of this and I don’t see it as discriminatory in any way.

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By NSDuncan, December 28, 2011 at 2:59 am Link to this comment

In 1994 I participated as an international observer in the presidential elections in El Salvador.  Besides observing the election itself, in the days preceding the election the team I was part of interviewed members of the contending parties to determine the conditions in the country leading up to the election.  One of the things that came out of these interviews was that the procedures for registering new voters, particularly in the rural areas where support for the leftist opposition parties was stronger, was that the ruling party had made the procedures cumbersome, full of delays, time consuming, error prone, and as full of difficulties for campesinos living in out of the way areas to register as possible.  Control who can register and control the result. 

As I learn about these new voter ID laws springing up around the country I feel like I’m back in El Salvador in 1994 and as someone once said, “It’s deja vu all over again.”

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By CanDoJack, December 27, 2011 at 11:52 pm Link to this comment

I suspect an uncommon # of US citizens are visiting the
following link on you tube:
http://www.youtube.com/results?
search_query=frankie+laine+you+gave+me+a+mountain+&oq=fra
nkie+lane&aq=7s&aqi=g-
s10&aql;=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=694l4049l0l10698l12l12l0l0l0l0l46
7l2392l0.1.0.5.1l7l0
Frankie Lane singing “You Gave Me a Mountain.”
This time you gave me a mountain
A mountain that I may not climb
It isn’t a hill any longer
You gave me a mountain this time

Count those boulders, baby.
1. An uncommon # of Congress members increasingly
classify as 1 percenters, especially Democrats. Remember,
encumbents are allowed insider trading rights
2. Likewise 1 percenters in the Supreme Court
3. Likewise 1 percenters in news media and religious
circuses where snake oil salesmen pose oracles wearing
bandoliers of lies. Ask yourself what O’Reilly is really
doing with $40mn annually.
4. The probability that all the above on the take are
wishing they had octopus arms
5. The only place where the liddle class income is really
increasing is in the take home pay of the “lots of
overtime”, battle baton waving “protect and serve”
brutals
6. Voting districts look like shell games; gerrymandering
and jury rigging the order of the day
7. POTUS has signed without VETO law essentially saying
the military can arrest and imprison interminably anyone
they think is terroristic. ONCE THAT PRECEDENT IS THERE
THE WORD TERRORISTIC BECOMES A FILL IN THE BLANK. So,
like Singapore, drop a gum wrapper on the street and you
are disappeared if someone does not like you.
8. Something never mentioned is trickle down brutality.
If Obama can drone-icide a bunch of Afghan children he
can do the same for American children or club meetings or
Occupy clots or ...
9. Even if you CAN vote who is to say the Conservative
OSTENSIBLE fear can’t be activated and that by
themselves, to wit: voting fraud (a la Ohio et al 2004)

If the US citizens can overcome those Herculean boulders
and climb that mountain, delay your heaven bound thanks
until you have determined the reason for success is not
due to the millions of citizens striving to Occupy United
States of America.

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By James M. de Laurier, December 27, 2011 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment
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Amy Goodman,  12/27/2011
  This may provide an excellent opportunity for the
Democratic party to stand up for the five million
voters who might become disenfranchised.Should they
decide to stand down,rebuke them.
  Thanking you for this opportunity to comment -
  James M. de Laurier

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By Blueokie, December 27, 2011 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

Almost 75% of state and national districts in this country are gerrymandered, politicians picking voters.  90%, conservatively, of all races can be predicted by which candidate has more money.  The Duopoly has flooded the country with corporate controlled voting machines that practically arrive with tampering
instructions in the user manual.  Of course in a “Manufactured Democracy” the 1% would want to disenfranchise every possible dissenting voter, thus giving the predetermined outcome an even larger mandate from “legitimate voters”.  To add insult to injury, this is being done under the guise of solving a serious problem, voter fraud, that doesn’t exist.

Anecdotally, in my state a few years ago, Greens and Libertarians allied on a petition drive to open the process up to third parties.  When the required signatures were reached and presented, a third of them were summarily, and speciously, dismissed (something about they were collected on days the Earth revolved around the Sun).  As the appeal process was working toward their reinstatement the Duopoly came into session and changed the rules, making the exercise pointless while making it harder for third parties to get on the ballot.

“The easiest way to make a man a slave is to give him a vote and tell him he’s free.” - Albert Camus

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By Michael Cavlan RN, December 27, 2011 at 7:43 pm Link to this comment

Hey Amy

In California, Pennsylvania, Ohio and elsewhere the Democratic Party with assistance from Republicans are making it almost impossible to get on the ballot if you are not connected to, or even opposed to the one money party.

This is a horrifying assault on peoples right to run for office or indeed vote for those candidates.

Just thought you might like to know. There is little to no news about this on many progressives news sites.

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