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Posted on Oct 13, 2011
AP / Mike Carlson

Republican presidential candidates former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, left, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry gesture during a Republican debate in Tampa, Fla.

By Robert Scheer

If a Republican were president, there would be millions of properly coiffed middle-class Democrats and independents at those Occupy Wall Street marches, and no questions asked as to what they really want. With 25 million Americans unable to find full-time work, 50 million whose homeownership dream has turned into the nightmare of foreclosure, and an all-time high of 46.2 million, including 22 percent of our children, living in poverty, the call to throw the bums out would be compelling.

But the protest signs in a nation headed by a Republican, though surely gussied up a bit with ad agency savvy, would be the same as they are now: Stop catering to the top 1 percent who get ever wealthier and focus on helping the 99 percent who are hurting. To accomplish that, we need a moratorium on bank-ordered evictions, along with a government-funded program to aid the underemployed that is as robust as the trillions spent to save the Wall Street swindlers who caused all of this trouble.

Instead we are left with a Democratic president who soothes our rage with promises of decent-paying jobs that in actuality are being vigorously exported from our shores by the president’s top corporate backers. That absurdity was marked by Barack Obama’s choice of Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of General Electric—a company that has shifted to foreign countries two-thirds of its workforce and 82 percent of its profits—to head the president’s job creation council. 

Obama has failed not because he is a progressive in the mold of Franklin Delano Roosevelt but because he is not. He has blindly followed the lead of George W. Bush in bankrupting the nation by throwing money at Wall Street while continuing to fund wildly expensive and unneeded wars. 

Meanwhile, the Republicans divert public attention from their culpability in destroying a sound federal financial regulatory system and gifting Wall Street crooks with a platinum get-out-of-jail-free card. To listen to the GOP presidential candidates, the banking meltdown was caused by everyone except the bankers.

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The next time you meet up with Republican apologists, ask them if they ever heard of Phil Gramm, whose name is on the legislation that offered a blanket exemption from government regulation for the bank-concocted “securitization” of home mortgages into the collateralized debt obligations and credit default swaps that are at the heart of the world’s economic crisis. And if you meet ex-Sen. Gramm himself, ask him if he still thinks we are “a nation of whiners” for thinking there is a crisis, as he asserted when he was heading the John McCain presidential campaign.

OK, it would be worse if McCain had won and Gramm were his treasury secretary instead of being a super-compensated exec of the Swiss-based bank UBS, which American taxpayers bailed out. And, yes, the fact that Gramm is a supporter of his former student Rick Perry for the GOP presidential nomination is a reminder of just how dangerous the Republican alternatives are. But there is also some value in the clarity afforded by having visible villains occupying the White House.

Let me confess that I gagged on those words as soon as they were written. Clarity is not power, and the prospect of a Republican presidential victory by, say, Mitt Romney is just too unnerving. Romney’s economic program is Orwellian in form and substance: The candidate has asserted that our economy is in trouble because “President Obama has vastly expanded the regulatory reach of government.” Hogwash. It is because he hasn’t. 

Romney’s proposed foreign policy is even more irresponsibly wrong. He has revived the discredited Pax Americana rhetoric of the neoconservatives that got us into the Iraq War and returned military spending to highs reached during the Cold War. That obsession with U.S. military dominance was laid out in his speech in South Carolina last week in which he said he would increase the size of the military by 100,000 members. Romney later thundered to cadets at The Citadel: “This century must be an American century. America leads the free world and the free world leads the entire world. God did not create this country to be a nation of followers.”

Leaving aside assertions regarding God’s intentions, it is disturbing that the much discredited platform of the Project for a New American Century, which helped bankrupt this country, will once again become U.S. policy if the Republicans gain control of the White House.

No doubt many reasonable Americans will view Obama as the lesser evil come election time, and for some that will prove convincing. But I take the dreary choices to be one akin to a form of slow torture. Better to support the Occupy Wall Street protests as an inspiring alternative.

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By drbhelthi, October 17, 2011 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

Who´s worse the author or some of these comments.  Joe

After reading the article again, re-reading certain parts, I find the
article to be accurately descriptive with reasonable insight.  I view
the following sentence, as written, to be erroneous:  “The candidate
has asserted that our economy is in trouble because “President Obama
has vastly expanded the regulatory reach of government.” Hogwash. It
is because he hasn’t.”  Extending the Patriot Act, with several
special clauses, does not seem to have been a Republican party
action.  Nor, the Obama secret committee that decides which Americans
are “homeland terrorists” and are to be extra-judicially murdered. 

I disagree with Mr. Sheer´s next-to-last sentence-paragraph. The
occupant of the POTUS slot is alleged to be a Democrat, and needed no
assistance from the Republican party to double the US debt. 
Reversing himself on his pre-election promises, does not seem to have
been a Republican decision either. 

I do not intend my comments to be supportive of Perry of Texas.  Time
will reveal if Perry´s watch over the Texas prison death-row, were as
sordid as that of George Bush (Jr.). Nor do I think we would suffer
significant differences in mistreatment whether Democrat or
Republican, when we carefully review the performance of the Obama
entourage.  Bernanke, or his double, would still pimp for the owners
of the Federal Reserve, the rotten kernal of chaff at the core of the
U.S.A.

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By joe, October 16, 2011 at 11:29 pm Link to this comment
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Who’s worse the author or some of these comments.

Do go on guys.

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By Peter Knopfler, October 16, 2011 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

HERB CAIN SLAVE IN UNIFORM THE NAVY; THEN CORPORATE
SLAVE TO COCA COLA & GOD FATHER PIZZA POISON THE KIDS
WITH CRAP: HE DID SO GOOD THAT FEDERAL RESERVE PRIVATE
COMPANY HIRED HERB THE CORPORATE SLAVE KOCH BROTHERS
SLAVE! NOW IN THE WHITE HOUSE MORE OF THE SAME
CORPORATE PUPPET EXCEPT ALL ON THE MILITARY SIDE NOT
LIKE OBAMA NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE BUT KILLING AT A
DISTANCE DRONE MASTER KILLER WITH PEACE PRIZE, HERB WHO
DOESN`T SMOKE HERBS; OR DOES HE? WE DO NOT KNOW HIM
WASTE OF EVERYONE`S TIME INCLUDING HIS OWN CHECK
MEDICAL RECORD COULD BE A BLACK LEMON!

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By Peter Knopfler, October 16, 2011 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

I READ THE BOOK OF MORMON, HAVE YOU?? MY COPY HERE;
JESUS WALKING WITH THE MAYANS YES THE RABBI ON THE
CROSS HERE WITH ME IN CANCUN: JOHN SMITH THE FOUNDER
IDENTITY PROBLEM:WHAT JOHNNY COME LATELY CRAP!
I SPENT 20 YEARS in HAWAII yes HAWN MORMONS WHO LOVE
TO SING BUT THAT`S ALL! ASK ABOUT THEIR MORMON
HISTORY THEY JUST DO NOT KNOW:
BUT WHERE ARE MY BLACK OR ORIENTAL MORMONS WHERE !
NONE !
SEPARATE CHURCH FROM STATE, SPINOZA, not a new idea,
do not be a MUSLIM, separate church from STATE vote
DOCTOR RON PAUL A DECENT MAN not a Church Mouse
stealing your Cheese!

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By Anarcissie, October 16, 2011 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

Oceanna—Just make sure the editors don’t change you into a gigantic insect while you’re asleep.

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By Oceanna, October 16, 2011 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

This is really getting Kafkaesque!  I wrote a comment on the viability of third
parties at this juncture.  It wasn’t posted.  I openly complained of it with a
subsequent post.  I found the original comment returned last night.  This AM it’s
been removed.  Whatever the reasons and Kafka aside, it amounts to censorship.

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By ardee, October 16, 2011 at 5:23 am Link to this comment

Not One More!, October 15 at 6:22 pm

Kudos for your support of third party politics. I do believe that voting Green has more substance than you give credit, but a good beginning nevertheless.

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By Gabriel, October 15, 2011 at 8:46 pm Link to this comment

re: radson

Let’s just say, when you work your way up the food chain for decades and get to the top, and then find out you’ve been had, it’s hard to get out. It’s like the Mafia but actually a Super Mafia on steroids. Then when you drop out they don’t like it much and send every cockroach to find you and bother you. And then the only safety you have is info on them.
note: i’m sure they’ll be pissed at emphasis on cockroach wink
The real ruling class, which works in the shadows and high secrecy, have no qualms about killing someone or even Billions. If they need to use full global nuclear warfare to keep control they can and will use it.

Politics is just another psy-op to them, and of coarse to hide the truth and/or manipulate it for their benefit.

The real truth is evidence, and that’s why they have mentally programmed amateurs like ones in this thread who try to discredit anyone who shows documented evidence. Little do they know they’ve been setup and same tools used against them.

Anonymous found this out when demonstrating against Scientology.
It’s no accident that former: cia, fbi, nsa, ex-spooks and many others helped Anonymous. More than 75% to 90% of the industrial military complex is pissed at it’s own leaders, and they are ready to shoot all of leaders dead if they get out of line. But as long as even one is left he/she can still push the button. This is why the fight switched to corporations, banks and secret deals. Now they work hand in hand, along with many other entities to do many more deceptions and false flag operations.

But the most detrimental thing is when disclosure project found documents of off-world deals with some very nasty entities who consider using humanity as fertilizer and food. Only one of many entities out there. That’s why this Lawful Revolution is a 3 part plan.

Facebook and rest of social media sites are a log of all humans in case the oligarchs try to make ‘em disappear. All pics and video of your loved ones and friends are as well, guard them well and share them with your trusted friends. It is a record to hold the murderers and oppressors responsible.

There is help ... but humanity must ask for it as a whole. This involves peace, truth, abiding by original Law, educating one self about everything and especially what those secret societies don’t want you to know. Those records hold ALL the knowledge needed to depose the ruling class, and return Earth to a peaceful prosperous place.

This is only the first step of many to get Sovereigns into Universal Community.

Now watch the programmed shills attack this and try to bury it. wink

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By Not One More!, October 15, 2011 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment

A reason to vote third party

By voting third party, green party, Nader or who ever, it means that you are not giving your consent to the corporate candidates.

It may not change anything, but it is the only way the current political system could possibly change.

If enough people realize that they don’t have to give their consent to the status quo, it might actually empower them to take more steps and regain their power that they voluntarily give up every time they vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

“I’d rather vote for what I want and not get it than vote for what I don’t want, and get it.” - Eugene Debs

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By SoTexGuy, October 15, 2011 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

For ITW.

In addition to your oft-repeated truism there’s also the ‘pearls before swine’ line.
That may apply to your and some few other comments. smile

Since I’m not taking sides (who would care anyway?) I’ll leave it to the various readers to scry which comments are the targets of my call for ‘fin’! .. in fact I enjoy most all of the regulars’ comments! And this thread is no exception.. I was just
seeing that the subject of this particular thread was fairly well lost.

Adios!

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By Inherit The Wind, October 15, 2011 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

PH, SoTexGuy:

My apologies to you. Why I’ve written what I’ve written should be self-explanatory, but I fully understand how this can still be offensive to others who simply want decent discourse.  Perhaps the saying about “he who argues with a fool…” applies to me.

ITW

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By radson, October 15, 2011 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

RE Gabriel

‘‘I mention nothing that’s not truth. For me to mention a substantial lie would mean automatic jail time or depending on severity even death. I’ve had lots of threats, real threats, over the years .. including being shot at, stabbed, arrested, tortured and more. So a few disrespectful users on TD don’t bother me much.

I’m on more than 200 forums with no problems. Actually Mod/s keep asking me to come back on many that I have neglected to visit. Many dwell into subjects much deeper than TD ever will or has the balls to’‘——————-

 

I just have some minor Questions to ask ,Why were you shot at ,stabbed and tortured ? Why would a lie amount to automatic Jail Time or Death ,Why would you claim that your knowledge would be so incriminating

or dangerous that it would threaten your life ,yet you brazenly claim so for all to read, wouldn’t that be risking your own skin .Perhaps you grew up in a very rough neighborhood and or worked for one of the more exciting branches of the Government and got fed up with the Modus Operandi. One last question how many NGO’s and their types are trying to infiltrate the OWS movement.

I support the movement but do believe that this will be a lengthy and trying ordeal

cheers

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By Gabriel, October 15, 2011 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

re: sotexguy

I agree with you ... and at which point does one shut down harassment from a user or users that try to continually stifle the truth and circumvent common courtesy of replying with evidence and proof?

If this was a court of Law they would be thrown out on their asses, laughed at or charged with contempt as they are “obligated” to stick to the subject and provide evidence and/or proof. Failure to do so means they loose, or worse ... end up in jail.
Next case. smile

BTW: this is not a pointless distraction, unless you consider the truth a “pointless distraction”.

In reality politics is the Ultimate in pointless distraction from the truth, as it hides the real deals made behind closed doors. Hence secrecy in government is Fraud.

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By PatrickHenry, October 15, 2011 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

SoTexGuy,

Same dialogue between the ‘progressive’ democrats, no wonder as a party they can’t get their shit together when it comes to opposing the republicans.

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By SoTexGuy, October 15, 2011 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

Question.. at what point does the repartee between commenting regulars become
not a contribution but instead a pointless distraction?
.
This thread is at or beyond that point. In my opinion.
.
Adios!

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By Gabriel, October 15, 2011 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

Thank you Inherit The Wind for bringing further attention to this article and keeping it on the top list of TD articles in as many days. Your strategy of attacking is working to better the readership in finding Tools and Remedies for this World Situation of corruption.

Occupy Wall St is not just about protests, demonstrations and demands it’s mainly about sharing information such as:
= how to payoff your extravagant school loans Lawfully
= Pay your bills with only your signature in blue ink
= discharge almost any debt
= becoming a Sovereign again and out of the clutches of Corporations and corrupt business
= regaining your Rights
= regaining Your Land that bankers stole and committed fraud upon
= having the means to take take any official and or corporation to court and win without paying exorbitant fees for lawyers and attorneys [including the president or prime minister if need be]
= about right to “open carry” firearms as is your right in the USA
= right to trap & shoot game for your and your family survival
= Right to clean water & clean fertile land & a good home as agreed in settler’s rights
= rejecting and not consenting to any so-called Laws that are unfair or detrimental to people and free individuals
and much more

See what has been found and extracted from bankers, Law and people’s experiences here: http://projectarise.com/debtelimprocesses.php

This is only the beginning of your & everyone’s learning process. It’s what has been forgotten by the masses since the great depression, after WW2 and other market crashes.

For further info you must study your Rights, read in between lines of Commerce Law, study treaties and agreements from Magna Carta on, use your critical thinking, form work-groups and see the following for what has already been found:
http://marcstevens.net/
http://www.lawfulrebellion.org/
http://www.youtube.com/user/Tactikalguy1#g/u
and related materials.

Don’t be discouraged by shills or ones who try to dummy down the info, especially the whole system that’s setup to steal everything you own and hold dear: Police/policy officers [not peace officers], courts, government officials & officers, prisons, IRS, Fed, child services, business, corporations and of coarse bankers.

Learn your History in actual documents and not the crap presented as politics here or anywhere. Talk is cheap, the only thing that matters is whether you agree to anything or not with your signature. By way of your mouth is only a verbal agreement and a trap they use against you.

The main thing that keeps you a slave is your Birth Certificate. This means you can learn to work within the system to gain your Rights and or sign yourself out and become Sovereign as Free Individuals on the Land.

The best words to come out of your mouth when an officer or official of any sort approaches you are: Peace be onto you good sir, I do not consent ...

Now go and learn why.
Enjoy

One more thing: Make sure you keep ALL officials to their Oath that they swore to uphold. Ask or demand for them to present it, repeat it and or produce it ... before ANY start of a conversation or interaction. If they are corrupt they will try anything and everything to circumvent your demand. Stick to your guns as most will give up trying to deceive you.

Now you have some of the best tools to defeat the New World Corporate Order.

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By Oceanna, October 15, 2011 at 8:48 am Link to this comment

Why is the H did my posting just disappear?  It’s ironic, especially in lieu of the
fighting on this thread.

I’m not bothering to post anything else.  This is the second time.  2 strikes were
enough.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 15, 2011 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

Hi Outraged!
You are wasting your time with an angry and irrational being, prone to threats and implied threats like

“If I wasn’t calm, and that’s a big IF, I’d be requesting records of offenders on TD with a Lawful Writ and calling them into court, for everyone to see. This is me being nice. If you would ever see me or meet me in a court room you would see War, literally a War of Words.”

If this isn’t an implied threat yet again (message: “you contradict me again I’ll sue your ass!”) I don’t know what is.  It is also an empty threat that couldn’t pass the straight-faced test in front of any judge, no matter what he boasts.

BTW, for the record, there is another poster who goes by the name “John Gabriel”.  His writing is calm and reasonable and of a totally different style than the poster who calls himself “Gabriel”.  I want it very clear and on the record that I have no issue with John Gabriel and have never had an issue with him, and realize that it is merely coincidental that he has a similar name to “Gabriel”.

ITW

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By Gabriel, October 15, 2011 at 2:50 am Link to this comment

re: Outraged

Now who’s trying to hijack the threat with silly questions that 5 yr old can refute with 1,000’s of videos and scientific evidence, which billions know as fact.
Your and some others’ attempt at switching the subject is an Epic Fail.

I put my evidence up at http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/if_a_republican_were_president_20111013/#431716

Just because you think it’s wrong or doesn’t fit your mentality or agenda it doesn’t mean it’s not true. As a matter of fact my evidence is totally true. It has passed the tests of Cops, Courts, Laws Contracts, Treaties and just out every test out there.

So try to refute it with evidence like any respectful being. Or is that too much for you?

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By Outraged, October 15, 2011 at 1:18 am Link to this comment

Re: ITW

It’s been a while, how you doing?  Even though we both
be “avatars”, I missed your voice.  It’s nice to “hear”
it…  (at least when we disagree, we both have a
point).  Soldier on.

btw, do you remember “cyrena”.... good times.

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By Outraged, October 15, 2011 at 12:51 am Link to this comment

Here’s the post I meant to make.  I mistakenly hit
“submit” prematurely when I meant to hit “preview”.

Re: Gabriel, October 14

Your comment to me:

The world doesn’t revolve around you .. that’s
just a fact.

The question in you’re last post: “Any questions?

Yeah, I have one.  Prove the world doesn’t revolve
around me, since as you claim it is a FACT. 
Apparently….according to you…..these things must
be proven…..So my question is, can YOU prove the
world doesn’t revolve around me?

You claim: “If someone is going to attack someone for their evidence they better have alternate or contradicting evidence or ask questions respectfully. This point I won’t budge on.”

I would like your “alternate or contradicting evidence” but also how you will attempt to PROVE a claim YOU made, not me…. and then likewise refute it.

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By Outraged, October 15, 2011 at 12:43 am Link to this comment

Re: Gabriel, October 14

Your comment to me:

The world doesn’t revolve around you .. that’s
just a fact.

The question in you’re last post: “Any questions?

Yeah, I have one.  Prove the world doesn’t revolve
around me, since as you claim it is a FACT. 
Apparently….according to you…..these things must
be proven…..So my question is, can YOU prove the
world doesn’t revolve around me?

You claim: <i>“If someone is going to attack someone
for their evidence they better have alternate or
contradicting evidence or ask questions respectfully.
This point I won’t budge on.”,/i>

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By John Smart, October 14, 2011 at 10:48 pm Link to this comment
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The trouble I have with essay’s like this is simple: Obama was an obvious fraud
from the get go. About 25 minutes on line and every fool who got on the
hologram’s band wagon would have known better. But they did not want to
know the truth. They wanted their little person of color bobble to play with.
Obama is a hack and a coward and has been his entire career.

There was a delusion among all those god awful Boomers that went loopy for
Barry. He was the return of Christ, and Bobby Kennedy, and Henry Wallace all in
one ‘articulate’ package. The rumors of Chicago hackery was just racist
bellowing.  Lefty Boomers screamed racist at anyone who questioned his
Lordship Obama. And threw in some random sexism with no second thoughts. 
The irony is of course that the ONLY thing most of these kool aid drinkers were
concerned with was his race. “We’ll show Daddy at last! We’ll elect a black
guy!!!”

The kids were moronic too. But the kids are always moronic. (see ron paul’s
gang of freaks and geeks)

Hearing boomer progressives wail about Obama now is a study in cognitive
dissonance and denial. You’re the bozos who created this golfing, Wall Street
monster we see before us now. Chris Hedges seems to have been the only one
who kept his wits and his soul. God Bless all those who walked away early. Who
knew better early. Who did even a few basic google searches about Obama’s
real record of scheming deceit. Who knew the name Alice Palmer.

WE WERE RIGHT. YOU WERE WRONG. That, my lefty boomer friend,  is what you
shall hear echoed in your circa 1968 lizard brains at every Whole Foods check
out counter, at every Brentwood cocktail party, on every lame NPR chat
show…forever.

As a general rule one should research candidates before going to their sing-a-
longs. Just saying. The left went merrily over the cliff for a 2 bit back bencher
who gave a few good, albeit dishonest in retrospect, speeches. But at least he
wasn’t white. We showed mom and dad!!

I voted Green in 2008 but I’ll happily vote for Romney next time if it means
progressives will be rid of Obama forever. He’s set back the Left 40 years. A
2nd term will set the Left back another 40.

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By Alan, October 14, 2011 at 10:11 pm Link to this comment
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I didn’t read this thing, Bobert.
I’m reacting to the headline.
What do you mean, “If a Republican were president?”
A Republican IS president!!!!!

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By Gabriel, October 14, 2011 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

re: radson

I’ve been calm all along, actually I’m getting a good laugh out of most comments made on TD. Where I rebuttal a little harshly is when someone crosses the line and calls other individuals names and defamatory statements, repeatedly forces false info onto the public and continually harasses.  If you read carefully I don’t start anything, but I do mention remedies, Laws and enjoy a good exchange.

If I wasn’t calm, and that’s a big IF, I’d be requesting records of offenders on TD with a Lawful Writ and calling them into court, for everyone to see.
This is me being nice. If you would ever see me or meet me in a court room you would see War, literally a War of Words.
I don’t force feed anyone. They have the option of skipping over my messages.

Two main things: if messengers are going to dis others, call them names, attack, threaten, manipulate or other shill games then they should expect the same.
If someone is going to attack someone for their evidence they better have alternate or contradicting evidence or ask questions respectfully. This point I won’t budge on.

Yes, this is about OWS. It’s also about doing it properly, Lawfully, respectfully and ethically. It’s about educating the public on truth and truth that’s been hidden or omitted, options that are not usually talked about, solutions, creating a new and better society.

I also comprehend those that are stuck in their ways will not change on a dime. This doesn’t mean they get off Scott free by dissing everything and everyone out of their field of vision. Ignorance is no excuse. Ignorance can actually get one thrown in jail, as is clearly evident at the demonstrations.

Banksters, Nations, America and most things on this Planet is my forte. I and many others I know have decades of insider info that I haven’t even begun to show here. Things that would blow most people’s minds, things that people have risked their lives acquiring, are doing hard time for, died for, are on assassination lists and would end up dead the same day if they divulge them.

I comprehend the state of this planet much more than I let on or have said up to this point. I see the full plan very clearly from all sides and am aware of the intricacies as well as the consequences. What I show here is only a tiny fraction of what people need to learn to get out of tyranny and slavery. Now if I’m going to be chastised for doing so then such is my fate.

I mention nothing that’s not truth. For me to mention a substantial lie would mean automatic jail time or depending on severity even death. I’ve had lots of threats, real threats, over the years .. including being shot at, stabbed, arrested, tortured and more. So a few disrespectful users on TD don’t bother me much.

I’m on more than 200 forums with no problems. Actually Mod/s keep asking me to come back on many that I have neglected to visit. Many dwell into subjects much deeper than TD ever will or has the balls to.

Bottom line: how you call into the mountains is the echo you will get back ... and then some.
Therefore it is the task of Moderator/s to quell the disrespectful and unethical on TD.

Any questions?

Thank you ... I will keep on messaging.
Enjoy

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By examinator, October 14, 2011 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

Where’s the problem?
migrate! 
I think pago pago is nice in Decembers

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By radson, October 14, 2011 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel: Calm down will you ,this exchange is no longer an exchange of opinions but more of a challenge to anyone that doesn’t agree with you .Do you actually think that all that you write will be accepted ,with no qualms quirks or queries.You do understand the inequities regarding the Banksters and the implications thereof ,and that I can dig .But to force feed readers and afterwards threaten them is rather premature .I was a fan of Indiana Jones at one time ,but at present the discussion is about OWS and its potential implications with regard to America and in a greater sense many other Nations .I encourage you to keep posting but ,please have a regard and respect towards the other Posters ,we all live on the same Planet as for as I’m aware of,and we won’t leave until we get our collective acts together.

cheers

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By Inherit The Wind, October 14, 2011 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel:

My purpose is clear: to convince the management to review your posts and decide if they are inappropriate and violate their AUP.

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By Gabriel, October 14, 2011 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

re: ITW

You want to challenge the Law then show Proof .. instead of calling individuals names and wishy washy comments.

Oh I forgot .. you can’t because there is no contrary proof, as you have clearly shown all over TD.

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By BR549, October 14, 2011 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment

Emile and D.R. Zing,
In 1988, I had voted for Papa-Bush, but felt something was very wrong. 1992 was Perot and I think I had voted for Lyndon LaRouche in 1996. from 1992 onward, I had broken ranks with my Republican family and decided to vote my conscience. In 2000, I voted for John Hagelin, a particle physicist and member of the Natural Law Party. I still contend that, had he been in office, all but a small handful of those meatheads in Congress would have ever understood what he was about. I mean, yoga and meditation in the classrooms? As our media is all to eager to manipulate its viewing audience, God forbid we might actually ever develop any conscious and free-thinking citizens in this country.

By all means, vote your conscience and NOT your wallet. We all know that the Capital Building and the White House need a good douche. This is your last chance.

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By skimohawk, October 14, 2011 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

how come there’s no option for “ignore user” on this site?

only difference I can think of between a Republican president and a Democrat president would be the Republican’s tie will be a redder shade of red.
(most of them seem to have more conservative haircuts, too… but that might just be my skewed perception. )

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By Tomas Agee, October 14, 2011 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment
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I’m going to do both, support Occupy Wall Street and vote for President Obama. They are not mutually exclusive.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 14, 2011 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

Enough already, Truthdig!  Anyone who dares challenge this crack-pot Gabriel with his bizarre conspiracy theories is threatened by him with lawsuits and other dire vague threats.

There’s no law against him having his nutty, eccentric POV.

But…..

How long are you going to let him attempt to intimidate people who challenge what he says?

Everyone, please click on “Report This” on his posts and, if you want, on mine, too so The Management reviews this!

Enough of this thread destroyer! Enough of this discussion destroyer!

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By Gabriel, October 14, 2011 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

re: EmileZ

I’m not a spokesperson. I’m a Sovereign on the Land, secondly a Historian.

re: Obviously not a spokesperson for the “sacred texts” as no texts are sacred and it is all baloney.
I guess in your books anyone who doesn’t fit your little twisted mindset, as you have previously and now stated, doesn’t matter.

Well I got news for you and it’s this simple: Show documented proof or you are a liar.

The jest of it is:
Keep in mind, your comments are right in front of everyone on net. This means anyone can arrest you and throw you in jail if you lie, and if they so wish due to lies or any other breach of Law. Last time I looked it’s called Fraud.

As I said on TD before: anytime you want to take this into court in front of a Jury of Peers then let’s get to it.

If you persist in lies it only makes you look more like a fool.

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By oddsox, October 14, 2011 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

If a Republican were President (or soon becomes President), the people would want JOBS.

No difference.

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By EmileZ, October 14, 2011 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

@ Gabriel….

El Bologna if you know what I mean.

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By EmileZ, October 14, 2011 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

@ Gabriel…

If you are not a spokesperson for the “shills” then who are you a spokesperson of???

Obviously not a spokesperson for the “sacred texts” as no texts are sacred and it is all baloney.

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By Gabriel, October 14, 2011 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

re: Outraged

Really? ... Well i guess a dictionary, English Dictionary, is wrong and so are Law Dictionaries. With all due respect, I think you should look it up and rest of words they use. Actually every single word they use in those documents in both kinds of dictionaries starting with the words in each Title.

The world doesn’t revolve around you .. that’s just a fact. They make those dictionaries specifically for people like you. And then you ignore them? Shame on you and anyone else who’s ignorant.

Your quotes stand True ONLY IF YOU ARE A Sovereign.

If you are registered in any way with the Fed you are a SLAVE to the “Corporation of United States of America”. USofA being a private company which has no power outside of confines of 10 sq miles of that thing called Washington DC.

As of 1913 if you are registered via a Birth Certificate you are a Slave to USofA, the Corporation. If you have signed any contracts with the USofA [driver’s license, green card, insurance, tax form, etc.] you are a slave in that particular way until such time as the contract runs out or you dissolve it.

Constitution is for Sovereigns and NOT for Slaves.

So I suggest you go back to school and watch the video or study the contracts and rights ascribed in them contracts from Magna Carta on, and/or all of them.
Now quit trying to spread bullshit on a Truthdig site and quit acting like a kid. We have enough shills on this site and don’t need any more.

Information is power, go learn, before it’s too late.

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By Anarcissie, October 14, 2011 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

It’s surprising that those who believe in party politics have been lying so low with respect to the Occupation.

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By felicity, October 14, 2011 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

A moratorium on bank-ordered evictions?  How about an
‘explanation’ of why only 4.3% of the $46 billion
allocated by TARP to aid homeowners refinance has
been used to date.

A Perry presidency?  the Drill-baby-drill guy
advocates drilling on federally owned land, anywhere
off-shore, and removing all drilling regulations now
in place.  Anyone who’s ever been to Houston, Texas
says that it is without a doubt the ugliest city in
the US.  Can we project into the future of a Perry
presidency that the US will become the ugliest
country on the planet?

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By drbhelthi, October 14, 2011 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

“And then, with a deft, subtle, yet distinct change in
position, they carry us around like a six pack of
beer.”  D.R.Zing

Disagree.
Twould be nice if “they” showed “us” so much deference.

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By D.R. Zing, October 14, 2011 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

EmileZ,

I tend to agree. The time is ripe for a third party,
particularly since President Obama and the Democrats
gives us the the thumbs and the yo-yo finger all at
the same time.

And then, with a deft, subtle, yet distinct change in
position, they carry us around like a six pack of
beer.

I’m feeling a little chaffed—and you? 

Third party here I come. 

Zing

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By EmileZ, October 14, 2011 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

I have continually wracked my brain as to why Justice Ginsburg didn’t retire while the Democrats had the executive, house, and senate. Is it only the Republicans who realize that the supreme court is political???

Are we screwed if we vote for corporatist (democrats) and screwed if we don’t???

Whatever you do, and whoever you ultimately decide to vote for, make sure you have done your best within or without the two-party system.

And if you choose to vote for a third party candidate, don’t apologize for it.

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By ardee, October 14, 2011 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

If a Republican were president, there would be millions of properly coiffed middle-class Democrats and independents at those Occupy Wall Street marches, and no questions asked as to what they really want.

Stuff and nonsense Mr.Scheer. These folks would stay home then as they do now. The real changes we need so desperately will come, as they have always come , from a small minority of active citizens while the vast majority remain aloof from the struggle. History plainly shows this to be true. About 45% of the electorate votes for the GOP regardless, and another 45% for the Democrats, equally regardless. Thus our elections are decided by a small minority of swing votes.

Aside to Billy Pilgrim:

Your argument , vote Democrat to “save our Supreme Court” rings hollow, at least to me. The leaning of the Court is a symptom of a real disease infecting our system of governance, again in my own opinion, and to continue to participate in the Duopoly charade can never cure that illness.

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By drbhelthi, October 14, 2011 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

“So, I’m wondering, why did you go to the trouble of replying just
to tell me that I’m plainly too thick to understand RP’s genius,- - ”  caxeymcg

You might be reading in too much - . I dont think you are too stupid to understand. Even the most intelligent have prejudices. I also disagree with the idea of Ron Pauls´s “genius.” 

From my experience, it is taxing to the fantasy of all intelligent persons to compare the content of the speeches of Ron Paul with the content of the speeches of George W. Bush (Junior), die to their vast differences.

I interpreted your summary comment to have been genuine.  Obviously, I was mistaken.

Anyway, I suspect that if Dr. Ron Paul were elected, he would never make it to the U.S. Presidency. The USArmy E-6 sharpshooter- coward types that murdered Dr. M. L. King, the John Hinkley Jr. types, and the in-ranks types that placed a 3-round burst into the forehead of Cpl. Pat Tillman, have been cultured by the CIA - and certain USArmy “officers” - like home gardeners poured Vigoro on tomato roots years ago.  CIA agent Chip Tatum withdrew from the CIA when he was tasked to assassinate a candidate for the US Presidency, by GHWBushSr.  Now that Obama´s secret committee decides which Americans are to be murdered without due process, such a U.S.Constitution-ally oriented candidate might be declared a homeland terrorist, and singled out for antijudicial death.

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By skimohawk, October 14, 2011 at 1:06 am Link to this comment

joe12345-
you’re right… Mister Ed is better than George the Dog… he’s always on a steady course!

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By Outraged, October 14, 2011 at 12:49 am Link to this comment

Gabriel, October 13

Your comment: “Democracy is the power of the many over everyone else. In most cases power of Democracy makes the wrong decisions as it doesn’t use smarts, or the best ideas. It’s a totalitarian system by force.

I disagree, democracy is NOT totalitarian, nor is it the power of the many over everyone else. Wikipedia describes it this way:

“Democracy is a form of government in which all
people have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Ideally, this includes equal (and more or less direct) participation in the proposal, development and passage of legislation into law. It can also encompass social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

AND as a constitutional democracy: “John Adams defined a republic as “a government of laws, and not of men.” Constitutional republics attempt to weaken the threat of majoritarianism and protect dissenting individuals and minority groups from the “tyranny of the majority” by placing checks on the power of the majority of the population. The power of the majority of the people is limited to electing representatives who legislate within the limits of an overarching constitutional law that a simple majority cannot modify.  No single individual is allowed to exercise executive, legislative and judicial powers. Instead, these powers are separated into distinct branches that serve as a check and balance on each other. In a constitutional republic, “no person or group [can] rise to absolute power.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic

Of course there’s more but this fits my definition
and I would think that of most people.  In our democracy, the bill of rights was specifically added to protect individual rights so that it would not be totalitarian or what I’m assuming you’re alluding to which would be kind of a “mob rule”.

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By joe12345, October 13, 2011 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment

Lets all vote for the talking horse Mr. ED. Shucks we won’t have to worry anymore about all the poop stinking the place up….

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By Gabriel, October 13, 2011 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment

re: Outraged

Thanks .. but you didn’t watch the video, did ya?

Why do you need to be governed by anyone? Watch it and see how illegitimate the government actually is, all governments.

Hence, Anyone who needs to be governed is still a “child”, a ward of the State.
Unless you have learned to be a Sovereign and are a Sovereign you are nothing but a child.

Democracy is the power of the many over everyone else. In most cases power of Democracy makes the wrong decisions as it doesn’t use smarts, or the best ideas. It’s a totalitarian system by force.

What “We the People” states is that you need to be a Sovereign in order to exercise your Freedom, Rights, Justice and pursuit of Happiness. This means you have the knowledge of the ages = Natural Universal and Individual Laws.

What Occupy [whatever] means is the Reclaiming of your Sovereign Rights by rejecting to be governed and getting back what Military based Government stole. This also means rejecting any and all political parties, societies, religions, or any other control systems. It is why it’s only Step 1 of a 3 step process.

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By Outraged, October 13, 2011 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

RE: Gabriel, October 13

Your comment: “Power starts from inside you, then maybe if you get it right you can help someone, your loved ones, your neighbors and community at large.”

Good point.  Additionally, in a democracy the power is in THE PEOPLE.  If that power is usurped it is up to us to regain it, NOT to shut down the government (btw, a position of the extreme right) but to retake control.

I think “the message” of the Occupy Wall Street
movement is this.  We are Americans

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By D.R. Zing, October 13, 2011 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

Damn! Mr. Scheer!  The first four hundred words of
this report are probably the best words you’ve
written in the last year or so. 

I agree with your assessment in the last half of the
report as well.  We’ve got reasonably dangerous
people representing progressives in the form of the
Obama economic team.  We’ve total whack jobs on the
right in every corner, except Ron Paul. 

Patrick Henry:

Can I tell you a little story? 

I have a friend who lacks a formal education because
he grew up impoverished in a small town and suffers
from severe dyslexia; however, he is extremely
intelligent and has a keen artistic eye.

One night at a party I downloaded a bunch of Dali
images on my Droid and showed them to my friend. 

He thumbed through a few dozen images, looked up,
said: “Goddamn! The rest of those fuckers should burn
their paints and try something else. This fucker here
did it all.” 

I felt a similar sentiment as I read your
reply to caseymcg:  I should just throw away my
keyboard and stick with photography, because you’ve
said it all.  And you say it quite well. 

Alas, Patrick Henry, I’m not a libertarian, but your
posts do remind me how much libertarians and
progressives have in common. 

And as Howard Zinn so eloquently reminded us in his
People’s History, we need to look for common ground,
not differences, if we are ever to create a system of
democracy that actually works for the people. 

Hats off, sir. Keep up the good work.

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By Outraged, October 13, 2011 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

Re: Mental Traveller, October 13

Excellent post. Very compelling.

Re: Billy Pilgrim: October 13

Your comment: ” He’s nothing more than a very sad, paranoid individual who has obviously had a difficult life. You are correct in being perplexed about the infatuation some on the alleged left have with Paul. He is honest, however, most of his policies are nothing but rehashed Ayn Rand gibberish. His form of libertarian government is insane.”

I agree.  Ron Paul is exactly that, the difference
between him and the other Republicans IMO is that he seriously BELIEVES in Ayn Rand whereas the rest
believe in socialism for the rich and free market
madness for everyone else.

Article quote: “the GOP presidential nomination is a reminder of just how dangerous the Republican
alternatives are. But there is also some value in the clarity afforded by having visible villains occupying the White House.

Let me confess that I gagged on those words as soon as they were written. Clarity is not power, and the prospect of a Republican presidential victory by, say, Mitt Romney is just too unnerving.”

Again, I agree.  When it comes right down to it, Mr Scheer is correct, “CLARITY IS NOT POWER”.  A good example of that is what I witnessed here in WI in 2010.  When the GOP went after Sen Feingold, one of the most striking aspects of their campaign ads was NOT “what a horrible Senator he was” but it was premised upon this mantra that “Washington needs new blood”, and that “Feingold represented the same old Washington politics”.  EVEN THOUGH Feingold was very popular in WI with liberal, independents and conservatives (that would be old school conservatives) many felt there was “something wrong in Washington” and that maybe it was time for a change instead of SERIOUSLY considering the consequences of NOT HAVING Feingold protecting the interests of not just WI but the country.  This “throw the bums out” ideology is simply a campaign marketing tool of the extreme right.  Unknowingly, many fell for it.

Additionally, the election of Gov. Scott Walker here was premised upon this same MISLEADING MANTRA.  I can’t tell you how many stories I’ve heard of those who voted for Walker and were shocked, yes SHOCKED to see his true agenda.  They have CLARITY now, but they DO NOT HAVE THE POWER, not yet anyway… the prospects look promising in regaining that but the damage Walker is inflicting in WI is real, and it’s BAD.

Do not be mislead, the “throw the bums out” mantra is a slick marketing campaign that the GOP has and continues to use.  Kind of like using your own words against you, playing on your emotions…etc.  And remember, be careful what you wish for…. it just might come true.

The “Occupy Wall Street” movement is inspiring.  I think it’s much more than that though….I think that what we are seeing, IS CLARITY.  “Mental Traveller” said it well, ” But the awakening sense that the powerful are disdainful of, or indifferent to, the needs of most Americans will be hard to suppress. While many in the nation and the world have long observed the emperor to be standing openly in the buff, the emperor may now be realizing it himself.”

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By Gabriel, October 13, 2011 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

From your comments, most of You are running around like chickens with your heads cut off. Complaining about this and that and about everyone else. You ever take a look at yourself and inside yourself?

UNGRIP yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tScuHwVtRcY

“From the creators of Esoteric Agenda (http://www.esotericagenda.net) and Kymatica (http://www.talismanicidols.org), UNGRIP penetrates the illusions and delusions of the legal system with direct relation to the psychology of humanity.
Inspired by the story of rob in the pagé family, as well as clips of Bruce Lipton, PHD and Ben: Stewart.”

Maybe, you’ll “wake the fuk up”.

Power starts from inside you, then maybe if you get it right you can help someone, your loved ones, your neighbors and community at large.

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By SteveL, October 13, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

Romney the Republicans best bet changes faster than a chameleon.  That’s part of
his problem with the goofy right in the primaries now.

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By David J. Cyr, October 13, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

If the corporate party didn’t conveniently provide them with big scary wolf Republican partners, the corporate party’s deeply depraved Democrats couldn’t shepherd together a large enough flock of sheeple to get elected.

http://www.chenangogreens.org

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By PatrickHenry, October 13, 2011 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

caseymcg,

Lets see, deviation from the Constitution is numerous and has snowballed since the industrial revolution…

The 17th Amendment was never ratified, it changed the voting of State Senators from state legislatures to state residents. Now the state senators are not beholding to the designed electorate, just flim flammed idiots who vote for them every 6 years and are beholding to no one, of course an 11th hour corporate media push usually puts the selectee over the top. 

Federal reserve act of 1913 which created the privately for profit fractional banking mess we all find ourselves in and is likely the root of evil in all things bad today.  Wholly unconstitutional and warned of by the founders.

Undeclared wars and police duties, the Constitution is clear about the use of force, letters or marque and who gets to declare it or not.  The U.S. has half assed every armed conflict since WWII.  When waging war upon another we have to be all in or stay at home.

Patriot Act and Patriot Act II… canned and rammed through post 9/11. These acts alone violate many amendments of the Bill of Rights.

Corporate personhood and public bailouts of privately held companies.  To big to fail? lets see what enterpises come out of the carnage and they always do.  These types of laws were drafted by corporate lobbyists and do nothing to serve the common good of the American citizen.

There are many other examples of the trampling of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, after all Bush thought they were just goddamn pices of paper and here we are.

All the other Republican candidates are status quo and Ron Paul is not.  The non reporting and lack of corporate election contributions should be proof enough of that.

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By Billy Pilgrim, October 13, 2011 at 6:24 pm Link to this comment

Elections do matter. Voting for the Dems is only
necessary to prevent the Republicans from appointing
any more Supreme Court Justices like Scalia, Thomas,
Roberts, Alito, Kennedy. The power the Founders
entrusted to the Chief Executive in appointing
Supreme Court Justices enables a President to cause
significant damage to the body politic long after
that President has left the scene both figuratively
and literally. So be a proud and defiant lefty in a
little over a year and stay home. Just don’t bitch
and moan about Romney when Justice Ginsburg dies or
retires and a subservient Senate ratifies another
right wing corporate whore to don the black robes and
administer “blind” and “impartial” justice.

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By adc14, October 13, 2011 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

Obama apologists always say his power was limited, he was obstructed by this one and that one (insert whatever: Republicans, Blue Dogs, antelopes), the bully pulpit doesn’t work, etc. My retort now is OK, given that he was unable to accomplish so little in spite of having large majorities in both the House and Senate, then it stands to reason it doesn’t matter who’s in the WH since the President has no power anyway. So, why do you care so much WHO gets in? They don’t seem to have a comeback for that one.

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By PhreedomPhan, October 13, 2011 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

If a Republican were president, nothing would change
significantly.  Both parties are owned and operated by
the same people.  I’ve been a ping-pong ball for 48
years.  That’s how long I’ve been voting.  It really
doesn’t matter what side of the net I vote on, left or
right, Rep or Dem, the result is the same. I’m going to
be whacked in the butt with a paddle.

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By Billy Pilgrim, October 13, 2011 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment

Casey: Don’t let the good dr. get to you. He’s
nothing more than a very sad, paranoid individual who
has obviously had a difficult life.
You are correct in being perplexed about the
infatuation some on the alleged left have with Paul.
He is honest, however, most of his policies are
nothing but rehashed Ayn Rand gibberish. His form of
libertarian government is insane. That being said, I
do agree with his foreign policy. Overall, Dr. Paul
is a well meaning but totally clueless politician.

I hope you are aware of The Patriot Act? Our civil
liberties have been seriously damaged since 9-11.
You are correct about campaign finance reform and the
public funding of all elections. Ron Paul would do
nothing to stop the lobbyists.

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By caseymcg, October 13, 2011 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

@PatrickHenry

You bring up just the kind of topic I’m interested in understanding more about.

“I want someone to restore the freedoms that have been upsurped and
trampled on by un-constitutional legislation passed in the last decade and roll
back the waste and abuse created implementing them.”

I don’t appreciate waste, abuse or the usurpation of rights granted by the
constitution.  In this context, to which freedoms and which legislation are you
referring? And then I guess, I’m also curious about waste and abuse that
resulted.  I suppose I could speculate, I have my own thoughts about abuses
and such, but more interested to know what you (and others) are identifying.

Thanks.

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By BR549, October 13, 2011 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

LT, October 13 at 1:37 pm
“You don’t vote for any of the Presidential candidates. Not a one they’re presenting.”

That would be great except that there aren’t enough people who have stepped out of the box yet, and they are all to willing to let those who don’t vote look like they couldn’t vote because they were either too apathetic or couldn’t tear themselves away from Dancing With the Stars. Meanwhile, the unconscious votomatons keep voting those bozos back in office.

Personally, I liked the idea of showing up to vote, standing in the booth and actually voting for no one. Imagine if 150,000,000 voters showed up and there were no votes cast for any of the Rs or Ds (or anyone for that matter). That would send a far different message than people just giving up and sitting on there fat ass at home, as too many people seem all to eager to do.

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By PatrickHenry, October 13, 2011 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

Let us remember that the executive branch is only one of 3 branches of government {not including a 4th estate that we know transends all the others….the media, lobbyists and special interest groups}.

Ron Paul has a consistant voting record where he cedes to the Constitution and Bill of Rights on most if not all legislature.  He is Dr. No, a witness to much of the un-constitutional crap being voted on by corporate proxies maskquerading as congressmen.

In my opinion Paul would serve as a counterweight to the out of control spending and special interest largesse offered by tax payer funded bailouts.  The congress would have to work in concert together to achieve passage of any legislation, it would have to be veto proof. 

I want someone to restore the freedoms that have been upsurped and trampled on by un-constitutional legislation passed in the last decade and roll back the waste and abuse created implementing them.

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By stevepesceca, October 13, 2011 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment
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Bob,

Okay, I love you again.  You tell the truth.  But why is it so difficult to just say that the Republicans are worse, but that doesn’t make the Democrats better.  Better is not an adjective that applies to either party right now.  They are worse and worst at best. 

Steve
OCCUPY LOS ANGELES!
Come out Saturday at 10AM to march with us downtown in solidarity.

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By BR549, October 13, 2011 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

prisnersdilema, October 13 at 9:37 am
“Yet at the same time a jobs bill is defeated… just one more betrayal by Congress, and Obama, who are paid liars for Wall Street.”

And in typical fashion, they all knowingly load any “meaningful” bill down with pork so that these suited sleasebags can then have the audacity to face their constituency and say that they couldn’t, in all good conscience, vote for a bill with so much pork. B.S. They’ve turned this circus into a tag team event so that pointing fingers at actual people becomes harder and harder, yet the whole ship is still
going down by the bow and no one is taking responsibility for being at the helm.

There’s never a guillotine around when you need one.

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By caseymcg, October 13, 2011 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

@drbhelthi

Hey! Many thanks for the gratuitous sneer to what was an honest question. 
Feels great.

So, I’m wondering, why did you go to the trouble of replying just to tell me that
I’m plainly too thick to understand RP’s genius, and that comparing his
speeches to those of Bush would be “tax” my imagination?  [Maybe you misread
my post.  I don’t give a f*ck what the title of Sheer’s article is, I was curious to
know why, as many have herein claimed prior to my posting, Ron Paul should
be our next president.

Its just a shame there are only a handful of Americans brave and smart enough
to vote for a man you wants to take us back to our country’s glory years, i.e.,
the 18th Century.

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By flaco, October 13, 2011 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment

No more vote for the lesser of 2 evils. Write in or maybe the communists will have a candidate. One of my cats will do too. And I`ll make sure to be at the polling station with my sign: “Your vote has already been sold”. Hopefully I will have a few more souls with me

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By firefly, October 13, 2011 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

Sometimes I wonder if Obama hasn’t been put in a trance
or some kind of hypnotic state by the super rich and
powerful 1%. It’s hard to believe that this is the same
guy who once was a community organizer. Or maybe it’s
his double and the real Obama is locked up in a dungeon
somewhere.

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By Alan MacDonald, October 13, 2011 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

A contest between a financial services whore who promises to spend ONE BILLION that they will give him on his election campaign, and between a religious nut and ex-private equity pirate, and professional ‘asset stripper’ who could spend ONE BILLION of his own looted money on his election.

And the question is, what?

Best luck and love to the Occupy movement,

Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine

Liberty & democracy
over
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By SoTexGuy, October 13, 2011 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

If anything, the last few years have demonstrated there is not a wide gap between current Republicans and Democrats..

What would it be like to have a Republican for our next president?

Pretty much exactly the same as now.. policy-wise.. If the last years of Obama are any indicator..

Obama and the Dems want my vote? Bring charges against a few hundred past and present administration, national security, congressional and finace figures..

Charges of treason.. domestic spying, false-war propaganda, disastrous monetary policy, failure to even audit the war budget, drone killings as assassinations, support of terrorism, arming the Mexican drug cartels,  failure to uphold international law in Yemen, Bahrain and beyond, unlawful regime change in Libya.. corruption in the domestic energy-pipeline industry.. Failure
to enforce the clean air and clean water acts.. MUCH MORE.

After bringing those charges to an open Grand Jury.. any still alive will have my vote. And that of very many Americans, I’ll wager.

Adios!

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By LT, October 13, 2011 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment
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You don’t vote for any of the Presidential candidates. Not a one they’re presenting.

Otherwise, you just kick the rotten can of corruption down the road to future generations you’re supposed to be “protecting”. You’re nothing more than a coward, trying to protect what little comfort you think have in the world right now.

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By LT, October 13, 2011 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment
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“Does anyone else get the impression that the Repub candidates were selected to make certain the oligarch’s pet got re-elected?”
FRTothus

And the Repubs have the same “problem” they had in the 2008.

Hind sight is 20/20.

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By lainnj, October 13, 2011 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

Sadly, I must agree with you—and you’ve said it well. It’s true: we have had so many of what would once have been considered far-right policies put in place since Obama came into office. At least with a Republican in there, there is criticism. With Obama, the corporatists are delighted and Democratic voters are asleep.

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By drbhelthi, October 13, 2011 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

“Perhaps I am misguided or not sufficiently clear on what an America governed by Ron Paul’s principles would look like.“ = caseymcg

Agreed, perhaps a combination of both.
However, the title of the article, “If a Republican Were President” is incredibly simplistic. The entire story is vastly broader.

If you haven´t discerned the view thus far, others bringing it to your attention would most likely be useless.

To clarify your viewpoint, for a start, you might tax your imagination, and compare the content of the speeches of Dr. Ron Paul with the speeches of Mr. George Bush Jr.

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By Sitizen, October 13, 2011 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment
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It’s true that the corporatist puppeteer has his fists jammed right up inside every POTUS, or any credible contender. For however long it lasts, OWS is trying to keep such perspectives in the public’s face. If it’s true that history doesn’t repeat, but does rhyme, we will see just how closely 2011 (or 2012) rhymes with 1968.

From my perspective, here in Canada, I just want to point out that even with the abomination of Citizens United flooding the political sphere with even more corporate bribery than before, rampant lobby-driven corruption,  and casino Capitalism, you still have at least some division of powers built into your
system.
Our parliamentary system gives almost absolute power to the ( aptly named) Prime Minister: total hire and fire over cabinet, PM-appointed Senate, PM selection of top posts without confirmation hearings, names the election date (with a majority), total power over the caucus- even has to agree to sign a candidates nomination papers. Pound for pound, a Canadian PM is Kim Jong-Ill compared to your President.

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By Jeff, October 13, 2011 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment
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I will say the one thing that makes Obama different from a Republican, and it is a major difference-in his selections to the Supreme Court. That can be the best (or most damaging) legacy a President has. So far, he’s done OK in that regard. Yea, in most other ways he is Republican lite.

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By caseymcg, October 13, 2011 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Ron Paul?

I am curious as to why he still seems to have such a strong cadre of supporters?
His brand of libertarianism seems, TO ME, too trusting of the free market, too
antagonistic and distrustful of any significant degree of federal authority, too
willing to accept preventable suffering of our fellow citizens all in the name of
promoting the greatest degree of “personal liberty,” and maintaining an
anachronistic and unworkable view of financial commerce.

Perhaps I am misguided or not sufficiently clear on what an America governed by
Ron Paul’s principles would look like.  Would appreciate knowing what the RP
supporters find particularly compelling (policy-wise), i.e., why you would support
him for president.

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By JohnSwims, October 13, 2011 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

This “read and comments” is one the best I’ve had on politics, past/present/future.  Yes, there’re a few crazies as always, but hope you can recognize their lies, unconsciousness or delusion.

This “read and comments” may cause you to question and change some of your beliefs but that’s what becoming conscious and finding truth are about.

Evidently, my initial take on Ron Paul being honest is bearing out.  Is he a sleeper that once voted in using the Republican Party as transport, would he show his true colors and bury, get rid of both the Republicans and Democrats, and represent the 99%‘ers?

Would appreciate your answers to these questions and your take on Ron Paul. 

thoughtfully yours,

John

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By Mental Traveller, October 13, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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One feels genuine sympathy for some among our current political class—those who sought office to uphold the rights and values of U.S. citizens only to discover, in the process of seeking their positions, that election and incumbency depend directly upon the economic whims of an aquisitive oligarchy. These decent elected officials must surely remember that the elite business class of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s time colluded in a plot to overthrow the elected president and establish a fascist regime resembling—by its own approving admission—The Third Reich of pre-war Germany. Any attempt to align themselves against the interests of economic power would surely result, these honorable politicians understand, in prompt removal from office. Such de facto limitations are simply realities one must accept when evaluating their fecklessness and resistance to reform. One is far more reluctant to accept, however, that while these decent public servants with genuine ideas and noble intentions still privately share the interests of common citizens, the exercise of power by a largely unelected wealthy class—who have contrived over several decades to subordinate political freedom to private money—has resulted in attracting charlatans and rogues to the halls of government. The Occupy Wall Street protestors are absolutely correct, in my opinion, to target the actual government of this country—that is, the economic power center which legislates, at its mere whim and pleasure, how the vast majority of everyday Americans must live. These occupiers rightly recognize that elected government’s role must be to free the people from the tyranny of a shadow nobility. They recall that the country was founded on economic revolution from the oppressive forces of British rule; and they also understand that credit card usury, crippling student debt, mortgage fraud, and a host of arbitrary bank fees are all forms of taxation without representation. Most importantly, these protesters seem to understand that a sufficiently popular and persistent protest may flush the rogues from the righteous among our political class, by stripping to the nerve those undertones of brutality and cruelty that have lurked for decades just beneath the surface of our national political conversations. This movement may come to nothing, as some have ventured to speculate. But the awakening sense that the powerful are disdainful of, or indifferent to, the needs of most Americans will be hard to suppress. While many in the nation and the world have long observed the emperor to be standing openly in the buff, the emperor may now be realizing it himself.

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By zonth_zonth, October 13, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

It is a good thing Obama is in White House now.  His hope and change turned into much of the same, so even the dullards can see the gridlocked chicken little politicians in their true form.

So true if the Rupublicans were in office, the democrates would be bowing down to their next leader in Liberty Park, and getting ready to storm the next election.  One can envision Obama standing on a box with the ‘human mic’ around him delegating to all of the new divisions and newly formed ‘caucuses’ placating each faction and promising new “individual” rights and liberties.

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By FRTothus, October 13, 2011 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Does anyone else get the impression that the Repub candidates were selected to make certain the oligarch’s pet got re-elected?

With a government that ridicules and targets its own people, lies to them on a regular basis, and funnels taxpayer cash upwards while exporting jobs overseas, are we not simply an elective dictatorship?

When asked what we had at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, Benjamin Franklin said, in response to “Well Doctor, what have we got, a Republic or a Monarchy?” Franklin replied “A Republic, if you can keep it”.

We have, it would appear, been unable to keep it.

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By Frederick Fuller, October 13, 2011 at 10:22 am Link to this comment
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Ron Paul? Great. Elect a doctor who would let a man die for choosing freedom.

The day after Inauguration,2013, nothing will have changed, even if Jesus Christ were elected. None of us know who runs this country and never will. We can throw out some colorful and entertaining opinions, but still no one knows, except former presidents who won’t talk because they’d rather live.

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By Wishingforsanity, October 13, 2011 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

In one day Obama showed his true political colors.  Sure, the Repubs are
obstructionists. Sure, needing an unconstitutional supermajority is well, unconstitutional.
But Obama is a “de-structionist.” He is playing the Wizard of Oz, pretending to want a
jobs bill while at the same time offering up job killing NAFTA deals.  Show me the stats
that free trade agreements create jobs. Ya can’t because they don’t. They kill jobs at
home while allowing cheap unregulated labor in other countries. Can you say,
“outsource?”

And in an even more heinous, coming down the pike, sure to be touted as another jobs
creator, is the planet killing XL Keystone Pipeline.  Something the Aristocrats in Wa.
Including Obama and Clinton are slathering over.  This dirty oil pipeline that will pollute
our planet in a “game over” scenario is and will be cheer led by almost all (Kucinich may
be the lone hold out) Reps and Dems.

It is another of Obama’s grand follies. Or one of his planned follies, I should say. “it will
create jobs.” LIE.  It will provide the US with much needed friendly oil. LIE. It poses no
real threat to the environment, says the EPA. LIE. 

In fact, that oil is already set to to mainly be shipped to China.  Why else would it be
going to an exporting coast? TransCanada could easily build refineries in Alberta where
the tar sands are. The jobs will be few and temporary and the heartland of America will
bear the brunt of spill after spill that WILL occur by sending heavy tar sands oil through
1700 miles of fragile ecosystems, farms, rivers and aquifers.  But nobody will ever admit
to having seen those disasters coming when they inevitably will.  So maybe when
Obama preaches this XL project as a jobs creator and the Reps. and Dems finally find
themselves cozily in an oil-filled bed together, what Obama really means by jobs are
those created by the need for trained disaster first responders. 

Here we are again America. Some may call elections a choice between the lesser of two
evils.  I cal them no choice at all, because the evils are all acting in concert together
while they pretend to disdain one another.

OccupyEverythingTogether.  It’s the only chance we have left.  Revolution.

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By caseymcg, October 13, 2011 at 10:16 am Link to this comment
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I agree with your sentiments about the current president’s corporatist
allegiance, a fact we as Americans will suffer through no matter who is
representing us given the corrupt and anti-democratic system of financing
federal elections which inevitably leads any viable candidate to prostrate
themselves before Wall Street and the rest of the oligarchs who fund
campaigns.

That said, the first sentence of this essay is fantasyland stuff.  Did we see
anything approaching such solidarity or mass activism by those comprising the
full left spectrum during the eight years of criminal, dead-end wars and
calamitous economic meltdown?

As things look to me, there is no hope for the middle class, the working poor or
any of the 99% under the present system.  Rather than hold out vague hope that
Americans will merely gain some renewed inspiration from the #OWS protests,
what I would love to see is Mr. Scheer and others like him driving an insistent
and sustained drumbeat, week in and week out, demanding an end to private
financing of federal campaigns. 

And, yes, there are countless organizations who have worked on this issue for
many years ready to step in and provide the intellectual and policy framework
to make such a change a realistic and possible goal, e.g., Public Citizen,
Common Cause, Brennan Center For Justice, Change Congress, Sunlight
Foundation, etc.

If there is to be any lasting legacy of the current uprising, I pray that it be the
end or at least substantial diminishment of the corrupting influence of money
in politics.  For myself, I am and will continue to do my part to affect such
change.

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By radson, October 13, 2011 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

M. Shaw :That is precisely what Mr. Scheer is saying.
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By Basoflakes, October 13, 2011 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

I think there is a very simple answer to get the economy back on track.  Start with reinstituting Glass-Steagall to regulate banks so they don’t have to be TARPed back into existence.  Second, require the banks to do what EESA/TARP told them to do: refinance 4 million(not the 800,000 that actually got refinanced) endangered home owners the right way, not the bank(ie, ARM)way.  Third, once people are in secured homes and can work, focus on the part of the jobs bill that guarentees jobs and don’t let up.

Ah, what’s the use.  Obama is not a progressive and he looks at life through Republican eyes.

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By MK Ultra, October 13, 2011 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

I certainly hope that the writer of this article doesn’t truly believe that the DINO in office is not a Republican.  I’d add “in heart and soul” but it’s clear that he’s got neither so will leave it that.

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By Eric Potholder, October 13, 2011 at 9:48 am Link to this comment
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Whadaya mean if a Republican were president?  We have a Republican president.  The best damn Republican that Democrats could ever put in office.  In fact, the best Republican since Reagan.  Or perhaps, he is Reagan reincarnated.

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By Michael Shaw, October 13, 2011 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

Sheer is correct when he mentions what I believe to be the main point of his article. Serve neither party candidate but instead get out on the street with OWS or one of its many thousands of offshoots. The OWS movement is not about serving any political party since any political party is Wall Street’s party. OWS is establishing its own party, the people party and it ought to be showing all of us that there is no power stronger than people power. Together we can control our own destinies. Voting for one of the two party’s is giving that control away.

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By Colleen Craig, October 13, 2011 at 9:45 am Link to this comment
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I’m writing in Caesar for President, from Rise of the Planet of the Apes. A creature who knows his mind, boldly confronts those who would destroy him, a leader, and one not given to unnecessary violence. O, take us to the promised land, Caesar. As for Obama, I despair. As for the Republican candidates, I can only shake my head in abject, ABJECT dismay, and think that Orwell himself could not have envisioned a more pathetic bunch. We are doomed.

And this from a formerly committed, passionate activist who campaigned tirelessly for Obama. I weep for my nineteen year old daughter, and her generation.

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By prisnersdilema, October 13, 2011 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

Today as further evidence that we still have a Republican in the White House, the Free trade bill with S. Korea, Columbia, and Panama passed. President Obama promised to sign it right away.

The bill will put an end to S. Carolina’s textile industry, by allowing a flood of cheap texiles into this country.

Exporting jobs overseas as job number one continues.

How will cheaper goods help Americans who are out of work…?

Yet at the same time a jobs bill is defeated… just one more betrayal by Congress, and Obama, who are paid liars for Wall Street.

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By redteddy, October 13, 2011 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

Obama is NOT an alternative for a Republican president.  In short it doesn’t matter
whether you have Obama or some other republican as president because you will
get more of the same from both parties.  I agree that Paul is probably the most
honest republican out there and I would rather see him as president than Obama. 
Obama is a disgrace, a sell-out and a liar who pandered to the hopes and dreams
of americans to get himself in office.

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By radson, October 13, 2011 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

C.Curtis.Dillon: Interesting post with much food for thought.I still recall the time ,at the beginning of Obama’s’ Presidency where apparently two ‘persons’ showed up uninvited ,yet had somehow eluded security to crash the party so to speak . Perhaps that was the first supple warning ?

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By Michael Shaw, October 13, 2011 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

I just can’t get over the people who actually believe the reason Obama became a shill is because he was threatened by assassination if he didn’t play ball with the big boys. I’ll admit certain members of our government are capable of anything, but money is the only real motivating factor. That and also stroking the enormous ego trip most big politicians are on. Presidents have people killed. So do senators and congressmen, either by warfare, drone attacks or by starving the already poor and starving. Also by not allowing access to health care if you are below a certain economic status. Status is of course the key word here. That is what is most important to them. Our own status is inconsequential.

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By BR549, October 13, 2011 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

C.Curtis.Dillon, October 13 at 9:02 am
“Presidents haven’t been much more than puppets for a long time.”

Exactly, .... and when they show up to the White House, I doubt that any one of them had been so stupid enough to not know what they were getting into. Marching orders? I wouldn’t suggest otherwise, but my point was that, knowing what was going on, they took the oath of office anyway and THAT is where they went wrong.

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By Anarcissie, October 13, 2011 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

Well!  There was lip service to OWS, but I can see the proggies are not mollified!  Yet!

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By bpawk, October 13, 2011 at 9:03 am Link to this comment

This writer is just a Democrat apologist! You had your chance with Ralph Nader as a potential third party - you should have seen many years ago that the Dems are just a slightly more liberal wing of the same party as the Republicans - now the only choice Americans have is to have one huge protest on a certain day in Washington centering on the White House and Congress. You need to organize millions on one day - that would make a huge difference to the movement as cops can’t arrest or abuse protesters as there will be an international press watching every move just to see how ‘free’ America really is. From you neighbour to the north.

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By C.Curtis.Dillon, October 13, 2011 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

As for what happens to a president when he enters office, I’m sure the first few weeks in the WH are filled with briefings, telling the new President exactly what is happening and just how he is expected to act. I can imagine a private briefing between the President and, say, the joint chiefs about defense policy. He goes off on some wide eyes happy talk only to be jerked back to earth when the chairman tells him, in no uncertain terms, that an arrangement can be made for him to have an accident and to, unfortunately, expire if he keeps up with this thread. I’m sure the President gets the idea, very quickly, that he has little real power and starts taking his marching orders from his aids and advisers. I’m sure he picked his economic team after receiving a visit from several ‘senior’ representatives of the business/finance community with a list of likely picks. These power hungry types don’t leave much to chance. They had everything planned out long before the votes were counted. That’s why Ron Paul won’t make any difference. After a few weeks in office, he’ll start toeing the line or find himself facing impeachment or worse. Presidents haven’t been much more than puppets for a long time.

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By BR549, October 13, 2011 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

Entropy2,
Well, said, but looking at it that way, which is most likely the most practical and realistically obtainable, that system, the same one that our Constitution was knowingly written to circumvent the evil that supposedly resides in man, looks at man as being an untrustworthy lot of heathens and leaves little room for looking in the complete opposite direction, where we consciously choose to to move forward as a civilization. I’m not THAT naive to suppose that the citizens of this country are all conscious enough to elect conscious leaders, not yet anyway; that’s why I store food and ammo, but that doesn’t mean I can’t see some lofty ideal on the
horizon.

You sad it perfectly, “For the first time in human history, we have the tools to connect with like-minded (and -hearted) individuals and to build an intentional and voluntary culture that does not depend on coercion and exploitation of the many by the few,” and with that I wholeheartedly agree. But if you and I can see that, as most of the readers here seem able to do, WTF is keeping Obama and his dysfunctional entourage and the Bush and Clinton families of degenerates from seeing that as well? All they see is the absolute that mankind has to offer and have managed to put themselves at the top of the heap ..... or so they think.

M. Scott Peck, described those “few” perfectly in his book, “The People of the Lie.”

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