I am patiently waiting for Janet Napoletano to do her job now. zzonerr

There might possibly be a difference between what you perceive her job
to be, and what she perceives her “role” to be in her appointment.  She
has steadily performed what she perceives to be her role in the current,
fraudulent administration.  Her performance will alter in your desired
direction, perhaps, only if she undergoes a stroke and gets a glimpse of
the other side, or has a very enlightening, “spiritual” experience.
Neither of which is predictable.  In your stance of extended patience,
it is not wise to hold your breath.

tihsstaezevahc

Yes well…

I can tell you with total certitude that the dailykos poster is NOT a Poly PsyOp domain expert.  He is marvelously intuitive but clearly not trained or experienced.

The innocence within the American polity of Poly PsyOp technology is ONE of the reasons that I am briefly posting on Truthdig.  The DailyKos, even with its sharpness, is amateurish against the big leauge where deep PsyOp experts practice.

The murder of the baby at Safeway is very close to my heart, and I have had enough.

However do not think for a moment that the Corporate Monolith that is tightening its grip on America has a primary interest in PARTY PsyOps. No.  Corporate Robots act for their Oligarchical stealth owners at a level immediately above internecine American PsyOps.

Peter Knopfler

I feel your anguish here.  I really do. Yet I have to tell you that the world does not work the way that you are thinking. 

The reality of Political Psychological Operations is much more invidious than you think.  The weapons of Poly PsyOps were developed during the cold war, and were long-ago turned on the American people by the most sophisticated PsyOp professionals in the world. (British experts first developed rudimentary PsyOps in dividing and manipulating demographically differentiated populations during the development of their Empire, and they perfected basic techniques during WWII while training Americans)

Do a search on Frank Luntz’s company theworddoctors.com to get a quick look at the profile of a moderately TOP LEVEL player in this field.  Luntz is useful to Right Wing PsyOps users because his personality is videogenic.  Yet he IS NOT a fully top of the line supplier. Such consultants run in stealth mode but are not impossible to locate.  Luntz gives the FACE of American PsyOps a friendly veneer… it is ACCEPTABLE.

Note: The American Right Wing includes substantial numbers of PsyOp professionals because of its deep bond with the US military and Intelligence communities. Very substantial sums are spent training and experiencing PsyOp experts inside the DIA and CIA. These two agencies are the primary breeding ground for Domain Experts who operate a level or two above Luntz.  The American Left is far behind.

The REALITY is that these latest murders in Tuscon are simple blow back from PsyOps run by the American Right targeting Conservative Populists.  The destabilized murderer is as much a victim as are the corpses that he left behind.

Corporate Power is not particularly interested in the details of Right Wing PsyOps, as LONG AS THEY DO NOT INTERFERE WITH ITS PROFIT HARVEST IN THE UNITED STATES.

See typical DOD PsyOp (non-stealth) here:

http://www.usacapoc.army.mil/facts-psyop.html

SuperMike1661

Sleeper cells? Machurian implants in our general populace just waiting for a signal? Triggering the shooter? I’m with you there. Given the unstable mental sickness in our society isn’t the answer obvious?

Did Bill O’Reilly trigger the Dr. Tiller shooter?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/01/bill-oreilly-crusaded-aga_n_209665.html

Is Frances Fox Piven on Glenn Beck’s hit list?

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/1/14/why_is_glenn_beck_obsessively_targeting

The evidence speaks for itself.

There is a post on Daily Kos which addresses this in very clear language. Check it out.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1/10/934890/-Stochastic-Terrorism:-Triggering-the-shooters.

By zzonerr, January 17 at 6:24 pm

“After the Gonzalez murders . . . ” should read “After the Flores murders . . .”

The crazed lone gunman meme is merely a device to keep the whole story from the public. The MSM is paid a lot of $$$ by their corporate masters to keep their mouths shut.

In Arizona we remember the 9 yr old Latina girl & her father who were killed two years ago by self-professed white supremacists who broke into their house. (The girl’s mother survived.) 

Shawna Forde & 2 others were charged. It was learned that Forde had been allowed to hide out on Glenn Spencer’s ranch after the murders.  Spencer is a high profile border vigillante with ties to the tea party.  He held a SB1070 rally on his ranch attended by JD Hayworth who challenged McCain in the Republican primary and Sheriff Joe Arpaio whose jurisdiction is in Maricopa county (Phoenix) and is being investigated by the Feds for other reasons.

Now, anyone who denies the connection between the tea party, the Republicans, and the white supremacists in southern AZ is either willfully blind or affiliated with them as well.  There aren’t too many degrees of separation here to hide the connections. 

For example, Giffords opponent, Jessy Kelly, was the tea party candidate and he received an endorsement from ALIPAC.  ALIPAC’s president, William Gheen, is a man who actually spoke out in defense of Shawna Forde. Shawna Forde is the heinous leader of the group who entered the Gonzalez family house on May 30, 2009, dressed as law officers, and attempted to kill the entire family. 

Dupnik knows a lot and the rightists are telling him to shut up. Many others will simply be afraid to talk because what we’re dealing with is no different than any other violent gang.
 
After the Gonzalez murders, the MSM whitewashed everything by saying Shawna Forde was a deranged lunatic.  And quite possibly so.  But that sure isn’t anything near the whole story. 

Forensic experts know how gangs operate. They need $$$.  They engage in criminal activity, often drug-related, as growers, distributors, and market makers.  Their tentacles spread into the general population.  Remember, these are real evil, some might say ‘satanical,’ people in the neo-nazi movement.  What could they do with a confused loner, a desperate penniless loser with no job prospects, or a meth smoker who hasn’t slept for days? If the answer doesn’t make you weep, you know you need help. 

Tucson is a lovely multi-cultural town. It has an artsy warehouse district.  It also has U of A, reknowned for studying “the sky” and other scientific research.  There’s an ample amount of the alt-ish, outdoorsy crowd you see in places like Boulder or Portland.  Mt. Lemon and Sabino Canyon, nearby, offer all kinds of fresh air activities. Temperatures around 76 or 77 today and tomorrow.

I am so thrilled to say that the good people of Districts 7 & 8, ground zero in the immigration debate, rejected an attempt by right wing extremists to infiltrate the meanstream of American politics, at the ballot box.  Don’t believe the hype that Arizona is a bad place, with bad people, or otherwise weird.  the white supremacists on the border are not from around here.  The neo-nazis are not indigenous as evidenced by criminal records in other states.  They were invited by the Minuteman group and they stayed.

I am patiently waiting for Janet Napoletano to do her job now. She was the (Democratic) governor when the neo-nazis started coming in and problems started being noticed.  There is no way that she could be unaware of the same kind of information as local law authorities. And now ironically enough she’s the Homeland Security Sec. Please do your job, Janet.  You have a lot of power and the people of Arizona need help.  We’re not sure it’s completely safe here anymore.

Wrong, Peter Knopfler.  Jared Lee was never in the military, he was
unacceptable.  Also, don’t pretend that the US is the only state that
trains a military to kill people.  If as you say killing people is the
American collective consciousness, are you an American or merely
someone on the outside looking in?  That is a sweeping indictment
of all Americans and therefore a fallacy.  That is the problem of
seeing only in polarities. 

I agree that the fantasy of reactive compassion that takes the place
of reason is the bane of humanity.  The bombast by the emotionally
political reactive is just as lethal as Jared Loughner’s. 

“If some people by virtue of mental incompetence can’t responsibly
exercise their rights, (e.g., Loughner, who abused his right to own a
gun) they should be institutionalized.”  Institutionalizing such
persons takes a whole lot of money.  What bureau do you propose it
come from?

“And I’m pretty sure Obama will select a judge more liberal than the
Bush appointee who was murdered.” That would not be a bad thing!

tihsstaezevahc

OK on your post.

Now ask yourself this: 

Are we too believe that Right Wing Propagandists ARE NOT aware of the large numbers of Destabilized Personalities walking around in America ... ready to be ACTIVATED?

Does decent political discourse take into account ITS unintended targets; so that politics can be done while murders remain undone?

Finally, is it reckless of the American Right (Republican Party) to continue the same Lines of Narrative (CIA Speak) when they KNOW that more murders are in the offing?

I watched 60 Minutes last night and they interviewed 2 friends of the AZ killer. It seems that his favorite movie was a “Waking Life.”

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7583894250854515095

It’s a really eerie movie. Animated dream like. According to his friends this was the killer’s favorite movie. I just watched it, it’s really scary that this guy wholeheartedly subscribed to the concepts outlined in the dialogue. If you decide to watch it you begin to understand the spin into delusion of the mind of this guy. 

I’m sure the FBI is going to be watching this movie over and over to get an understanding what this guy’s mind set was, what made him tick.

Some of the images are almost like an LSD trip; the moving of the ground and the buildings. I heard that the killer had experimented with drugs “and if” LSD (its made a comeback in recent years) was one of them I can definitely understand a reality altering psychosis from a bad trip and how this movie could have fit into it and reinforced the killers paranoia.

I remember what happened to my friends Dave and Eddie during my teenage years circa Woodstock. They both had bad trips. Eddy became really weird and he detached completely for about 2 years and he wouldn’t come out of his mother’s house. Dave started having delusions and his self-prescribed cure was heroin which eventually finished him. My ex has a brother who has been diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic and spent 10 years in a mental institution. He takes medicine to control it and has been categorized as disabled. I remember him being rebellious but normal until he had a bad LSD trip at about 17 years old and then he just spiraled out of control; he hears voices, sees people that aren’t there and talks shit like a crazy person. He lives with his mother and has been like that for over 30 years. 

I think the killer “may have” taken a lot of the philosophical concepts in the movie to heart which an LSD induced delusional psychosis would have helped him reaffirm and internalized. Add a propensity for a mental illness such as schizophrenia and you have a person who just needs a spark or two to light his fuse to set him off into a completely delusional surrealism. This movie could have been one of the ingredients that lit the fuse, or at the very least reinforced that a surrealistic delusional mindset, which set him off.

“Waking Life” probably made a very strong impression on the killer reinforcing his already nihilistic views; it did impress me because I visited that world in my teens with the mind altering drug when I experimented with LSD and others 40 years ago. There are 3 clips in the movie that were particularly disturbing; the first one starts at 18 minutes which addresses one’s insignificance and the need to be noticed by being self-destructive but probably a narcissistic opinion kept him from harming himself; another clip is at 25 minutes which addresses hate and vengeance and doing harm to others; the third clip is at 30 min 40 seconds which is an anti-government rant along the lines of the anti-government tea baggers and hyper-libertarians. Anyway it was worthwhile watching the whole movie.

QUOTE (of an “active citizen progressive” fascist enabler):

“Tucson is a basis for a Progressive platform and bills in house and senate to provide for Universal Mental Health Care.  A compromise would be to expand Obamacare to provide special help and resources for treating the aggressive mentally ill where the state provides a structure under law for involuntary treatment and monitoring.”
____________

To be fully effective, in its intent to impose “involuntary treatment and monitoring” on the “aggressive mentally ill” that liberal “compromise” legislation should ensure that every liberal thinking that votes actually against war are “wasted votes” gets that treatment.

Oh, What about Last Year’s 9 Year-old murdered by Right Wing discontent in Arizona

Christina Taylor Green was not the first 9 year-old recently murdered in Arizona.  The fact the you do not know this points directly to ongoing and sophisticated censorship by American Corporate Media.  The Managers of Corporate Media feel that they must “protect” the stability of the American polity; so they have erected their own Great Wall of China around your mind.

On 30 May 2009, Brisenia Flores, 9, and her father Raul, 29, of Arivaca, Arizona, were murdered by a Right Wing hit team of the splinter group, Minutemen American Defense.  Jury selection begins this week in the capital murder trial of the Minutemen, including a national director of the group.  Nine year old Brisenia, pleaded for her life, but was shot to death anyway.  Brisenia’s mother was able to fend off her attackers. 

The SuperMike1661 Right Wing Murder List is about to be re-posted.  Version 1.2 will contain this profoundly disturbing hit.

Send your candidates for the murder list to .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

The Progressive response to the Tucson atrocity is
not defined by truthdig or by the tired politics of Amy
Goodman but by us the active citizen progressives.

Tucson is a basis for a Progressive platform and
bills in house and senate to provide for Universal
Mental Health Care.  A compromise would be to expand
Obamacare to provide special help and resources for
treating the aggressive mentally ill where the state
provides a structure under law for involuntary
treatment and monitoring.  Such monitoring must meet
judicial standards of care, review and appeal.

This is the progressive response whether Goodman or
Conason like it or not. Why?  It is a rational
response that might have saved lives in Tucson a week
ago and can save lives in the future.  Equally the
solution can reclaim lives of the mentally ill who
have as much right to meaningful life without pain as
any other American citizen.  None of the 1955
rhetoric and ignorant babble from Amy about guns and
ammo has any chance of doing the same or passing a
congress and supreme court now convinced of the 2nd
amendment’s individual rights.

David J. Cyr
Though your criticism may correctly be extended throughout the Democratic party at this time, it was not always the case. I don’t believe Dr. King was deceptive. It’s the fact that by now Democrats only pretend to embrace a liberal ideology that makes them treacherous. The Reps are more honest about what they believe, but I reject their ideology.

QUOTE (RayLan):

“I’m really tired of Obama’s flip flopping and waffling being called compromise and ‘getting things done’. He is an inexcusable fraud.”
____________

Obama’s just doing what Democrats do.

For Obama to be flip-flopping he’d have to oppose war and become an advocate for healthcare (something and ObamaCare isn’t about).

It was mania afflicted old liberals and young people promptly responding to corporate media mind manipulation too eagerly and earnestly squealing so loud that they couldn’t hear what Obama actually did promise, and what he refused to even consider worth considering that provided their great false hope.

Some modest hope can be properly placed in the few who will now (likely too late) never support any corporate party candidate ever again… whether they be from the honest (R), or the dishonest (D) faction of the corporate party.

However, liberal habit favors the millions of old unrepentant enablers, like Michael Moore, who, after mightily corporate obediently helping deliver Obama an “historic” popular mandate, then immediately said, “I’m hoping he [Obama] breaks his campaign promises.”

Democrats exist to deceive.

David J. Cyr,
I agree that nominal ‘liberals’ in the Democrat party are more disengenuous than Reps who formally claim their hawkish agenda, whereas the Dems who are supposed to be doves and up in arms over the wars, have representatives (Obama) that not only do nothing to pull out, but escalate them.
I’m really tired of Obama’s flip flopping and waffling being called compromise and ‘getting things done’. He is an inexcusable fraud. When it comes to the all-important military policies, Obama has shown himself to be no different than Bush.

QUOTE (RayLan):

“Amnesia is hardly a tool. Reps were just innocent bystanders of the war program? Bush was just a pawn of the Dems? Please your partisan bias is painting you into a ridculous idsological corner - that the Right is not hawkish—LOL”
____________

Perhaps you responded before reading what I wrote, quote:

“Republicans get the votes of people who honestly think war is the answer.

Democrats persuade near everyone else to vote for war to be the only answer.”

Conservatives and liberals vote together for war.

The difference is that conservatives vote for what they say they are for, while liberals vote for what they say they oppose.

Amnesia is a condition cultivated by liberals who use it to misrepresent their positions.

Liberals reliably corporate party vote together with conservatives for war, and then they conveniently forget that.

Liberals idolize their sainted JFK, who established the School of the Americas that still exports the repression, torture and terror that that fashionable fascist Kennedy did… and the nice civil-tongued Obama won’t be closing that.

Liberals hate conservatives because Republicans don’t have the style sense to make fascism look as glamorous as Democrats do.

Rico
“You posted the JFK quote yourself”
Yes and you accused him with the hyperbole of ‘opening the looney bins.’ I added sanity to this sweeping inaccuracy. What followed was not an outpuring of homesslness, but the beginning of human rights movement for the mentally ill.  Another example of how your posts down follow logically, The rise in mentally ill homeless occured in the Reagan era. Deal with it.

Ray:

You posted the JFK quote yourself. His sentiment was followed up by action: Many institutionalized people were allowed to leave mental hospitals and rejoin society. Many of those people were incapable of making their way independently in society. To me the fact that JFK and Reagan(“we”), put (ok, “threw” is too strong) these people on the street was, in many cases “inhumane”, despite our best intentions. That’s all I’m saying.

What is the difference between a JFK-created schizophrenic street person and a Reagan-created schizophrenic street person?

You’ll have a hard time convincing me that the “social services” necessary to help these people are less abundant and available (we’ll leave “effective” for another day) today than they were fifty years ago.

Dr b:

Being loony doesn’t mean being unable to see the future and plan for it. Stalkers are just that, stalkers, which requires a continuity of thought.

And I’m pretty sure that, if Giffords resigns, it will be the good citizens of Arizona 8th district who will find her replacement, not Obama. And I’m pretty sure Obama will select a judge more liberal than the Bush appointee who was murdered.

Rico
“we inhumanely threw “
Who is “we” white man? You don’t have to explaian the situation to me. I’ve worked in the mental health field in California. The Reps in their usual callous monetary selfishness cut services. You tried to impute a Reganite action to JFK. That was not the period when the mentally ill homeless proliferated. It was a lot easier for the mentally ill to get treatment (however inadequate) at that time than now.
You are skewing the facts by critical ommissions. Also, you are dodging logic. Your statements don’t add up logically from one post to the next.

The cold-blooded murder event in Tucson is much more
than one looney who bought a Glock and shot up a
crowd of people. The extended clip required
experience and planning, the scheduled event required
planning, the timing within the event required
precision, and the accuracy of hits was not a
“terrible accident” as stated by comrade Pelosi, in
her continuing drivel.  Somewhat dissimilar to the
spontaneous murder of the harmless vagrant in Seattle
last month, by a deranged, Seattle policeman.

Two important politicians, who would not stoop to
“administration politics” were “removed.”  Openings
for administration pimps who take orders from the
marvelous orator, who does not practice what he
preaches, were created.  And will be filled by
administration pimps. Probably - ?

RayLan:

And while we humanely recognized their rights, we inhumanely threw them out on the streets, where in many cases, they were mentally unequipped and unprepared to enjoy those rights responsibly. If some people by virue of mental incompetence can’t responsibly exercise their rights, (e.g., Loughner, who abused his right to own a gun) they should be institutionalized. Sure progressives, with their preference for letting expert bureaucrats control our lives rather than allowing us to control our own lives, would favor institutionalizing such people.

Finally, and of deep concern, I believe that the abandonment of the mentally ill and the mentally retarded to the grim mercy of custodial institutions too often inflicts on them and on their families a needless cruelty which this Nation should not endure. The incidence of mental retardation in this country is three times as high as that of Sweden, for example—and that figure can and must be reduced.

Third, we need to strengthen our Nation by protecting the basic rights of its citizens:

John F Kennedy’s third State of the Union Address

Opening the looney bins was not a matter of closing the looney bins like Reagan did simply to cut social programs, but to acknowledge the human rights of those diagnosed as mentally ill .

ITW:

It was JFK. Look it up. The effects you mention are the consequence.

When the society is insane, it enables crimes of insanity.

The crazier its leaders bcome, the more insane the crimes become.

Here in Mexico with cynical, insane, thieving leaders, the increase in decapitations is geometrical.

Symbolically and literally, folks have lost their heads.

Actually, I don’t remember JFK unlocking the “loony bins”.

But I do remember Ronald Reagan cutting funding for mental health patients and placing them “back in society”.  What that meant was that the homeless on the streets of Washington, DC increased precipitously. I was working there…I saw them.  Every hot air vent around the mall would have a tent over it so the homeless people could stay warm in 20 degree nights.

But it was “ugly” so rather than find them shelter, they were forced to take their tents, their means of survival, down.

I remember this because I saw it, every day.  It was terrible.

“Chomskyite world of meaningless meaning”
Rico at his mindless best. I wish we were in a Chomskyite world.

Dr b:

“The words “sick” and “paranoia” have different meanings for different people.” In today’s Chomskyite world of meaningless meaning, you’re right and that, IMHO is the problem. As long as we are prevented from presuming to agree on what the “meaning of ‘is’ is” the sick and paranoid will only be identified after the fact of some sick or paranoid malefaction.

David Cyr
“Amnesia is the tool liberals use”
What a bizarre statement - Amnesia is hardly a tool.
Reps were just innocent bystanders of the war program? Bush was just a pawn of the Dems? Please your partisan bias is painting you into a ridculous idsological corner - that the Right is not hawkish—LOL

The words “sick” and “paranoia” have different meanings for different people.  Which is worse, the 1st degree murder of the homeless, indigenous, 50-yr-old man in Seattle, by a mentally-deranged Seattle Police Officer, or a planned assassination of two key figures by an alleged “wacko” ?  A policeman, who is provoked by a homeless-type, perhaps because of his substandard appearance, who only crossed the street, and was doing nothing offensive, is a constant, enduring danger to all who do not appear standard or normal or average.  While a hit man, such as the assassin in Tucson, alleged wacko, cannot be predicted.  Only the planners of such an event know when it will happen.

“But if there is little hope of restraint and civility, then perhaps we ought to reconsider how to prevent sick people from obtaining the means to act on their violent impulses. We easily identify individuals such as Loughner as insane, but how sane are the rest of us if we continue to enable their crimes?”

How to prevent…? Keep them out of society. In one of the first manifestations of the new enlightenment, JFK unlocked the doors to all the loony bins, in the name of “compassion.” We see how that’s been working out for us every time we bump into a street mumbler curled up on a heating grate or tucked into a city street doorway, soaked in his own piss.

And indeed, how sane are we if in the name of compassion, we continue to let these “harmless” people wander our streets aimlessly, honing their paranoias and conjuring up ways to make the voices stop?

I know, I know. Isolating someone for what they “might” do is tacky, and requires a fair degree of judgementalism, which is sooo reactionary and pre-modern. My guess is we’ll continue with the insanity and just hunker down til the next wackjob makes his move.

QUOTE (RayLan):

“Do you have eight year amnesia?”
____________

No. Amnesia is the tool liberals use.

I remember those 8 years well. I remember how, just like they’ve done before, the liberals turned massive antiwar demonstrations into GOTV drives for the corporate war party’s Democrats.

During those 8 years, the collaboration of the Republican and Democrat factions of the corporate party provided a synchronized relentless drum beat in support of war. While the conservatives drummed on, “Terrorists, Terrorists, Terrorists…” the liberals beat was, “Don’t waste your vote, Don’t waste your vote, Don’t waste your vote… voting against war.”

Republicans get the votes of people who honestly think war is the answer.

Democrats persuade near everyone else to vote for war to be the only answer.

Amy Goodman and you Joe both have the same tired view of the world which
was truly Progressive in 1955 but fails to meet the challenge today.  Old, tired
and weak solutions to real issues.

Now hear Progressive Solutions reflecting the fact that today short of an
Amendment to the Constitution firearms will be with us.  Short of truly
thorough Mental and Physical Universal Health Care mentally ill people will
proliferate.

Progressive Solutions are in these cases, solutions that use the latest science
and technology to provide viable functional and politically effective results.

Firearms are now easily coupled to fingerprint readers locking the function of
the arm to the qualified buyer.  Requiring new or retrofit handguns and
selected other arms deemed “assault” insures that a level of reliability in the
functional owner can be established by local law to provide as much reliability
in the users as we now have in police and service members.

Mental state and dysfunction in conjunction with overt behavior can now be
combined with brain probes using magnetic, electrical and thermal imaging to
literally see the problems.  Effective treatment can then in most cases restore
the person to society.

The events in Tuscon should drive these new solutions along with the pressure
Progressives can apply. Old tired rhetoric will not only turn this generation of
voters off, it will alienate them from the Progressive movement.

The loss of this generation would be terrible loss for the Boomers are sure to
turn more conservative as they age and outlive their parents. 

The Daily Show generation may be our only hope.

Rhetorical question: Why does the left immediately condemn the political right for
violence committed by mental defectives?  If Loughner had been Muslim, would
the liberal rhetoric have centered around the need for Muslims to control their
own?  Or does the left, as Whoopi Goldberg so aptly demonstrated, find it easy to
separate Islam from extremists, yet unwilling to separate Conservatives from the
same.

And why now?  I have no idea what the current state of political rhetoric has to do
with Loughner; an apolitical registered Independent who didn’t even vote.  The
entire issue of inflaming rhetoric raised by the left plays very much to the
stereotype of a left that trumpets the sanctity of the first amendment right to free
speech, except when it deems that speech inappropriate or not agreeable.  This is
a hypocritical left that has lost its integrity.

Newspeech 2nd Amendment—An unregulated unhinged minority,being
necessary to the insecurity of a free State, the right of the unhinged people to
keep and bear arms , shall not be infringed .

Every 22 year old soldier we send over seas looks
just like Jared lee, jar head. Next time your kid
goes on tour in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq,
you got 500,000 Jared Lees, in the military.
Take a good look at Jared Lee because your military
boys look just like that over seas. The Man in the
mirror, that crazy look is on every kids face that
goes in the military and kills. Murder is far from
normal, your kids are Jared Lee! And when they come
home they will kill again that is all they know, mind
control. I am suspicious, He was well known by
authorities, He disappeared for 2 weeks, says sorry
father, 2 weeks is enough to train a crazy to kill.
Gov´ts do it all the time, old Soviet trick mind
control maybe Jared is a Plan to take America´s gun
rights, take your guns away, remember the White House
motto, never let a disaster go to waste, look at
Haiti, now look at that dead nine year old, lots of
those in Haiti dead nine year olds, America is
violence, starting with the American Indian
reservations, are now Fema Camps, Nazi police is
homeland security rape or radiate at airports, all is
violence enhanced pat downs, squeeze rub tug and
press your private parts, that too is violence, body
scanners known to encourage cancer that too is
violence.Its in the Air, Its On THE AIR, everyone
breaths the same breath of violence, goes around
comes around.Take a Good look at Jared Lee He is
American

gerard, you always write with sense and decency. But I will tell you how I feel about my country:

I never wanted a country like the one I live in. I never wanted endless wars to profit the oligarchy, and I never thought soldiers were heroes. I never wanted an economic system that exploits and oppresses people. I never wanted an end to the Fairness Doctrine.

I wanted a country that wasn’t drunk with its own power. I wanted a country in which citizens informed themselves about everything from consumer issues to international tensions. I wanted a country with health care, education, and housing available for everyone. I wanted a country that saw heroes as people willing to be imprisoned for, to even die for, human and environmental rights.

Ha ha ha on me. We’ve got the country the whiners wanted—the lovers of segregation, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, deregulation, and seeing students murdered on tv—and now they don’t like it.

So you, America, created this 22 year old Human
garbage and then you cry when you have to take the
garbage out. Collective conscious says When you
asking in Public by public personalities, Pete King
Huckbee Oreilly etc Screaming for the Murder of
Julian Assange, you, America, also 22 year olds
killing in 4 different countries, now Drones have
kill babies,93 children, 86 women hundred,and not
just One.Americas entertainment is Violent Movies,
recently Machete, screaming murder 5 May Arizona,
Play Stations, MTV, and regular TV, even your
cartoons are violent, SEX AND VIOLENCE All American.
So your military trains thousands of 22 year olds,
send over seas to kill they all look like Jared Lee,
killing people, therefore the collective
consciousness meets with America´s Karma and dead
babies, nine years old girls pay for your sins. Or
like child soldiers that Obama supports in Africa,
start at nine years old by 14 killed six people and
Obama sends aid after He said He would not. America
who really are YOU, the Killers over seas or the
Killers at Home, I say they are all one and the same!

“...we might do better to analyze our own craziness.”
Joe, you are so right! 

What’s stopping us?
1. It’s hard to admit that your country is more than a little crazy, so you ignore and hide the evidence.
2. It’s hard to admit that you have any personal responsibility in the craziness, so you tend to blame
it of other people—foreign, domestic, rich, poor, men, women, history, geography—anything but the truth.
3. People naturally look for some easy solution (gun control,thought control, speech control) pretending that guns, thoughts and free speech are the villains, even though deep down we know better.
4. We don’t work very hard on developing personal consciences, and as to a “national conscience”—it hasn’t even been discovered yet.  But could a nation develop a conscience? Could a people get togetether (with all the modern abilities to communicate) and try to develop a national conscience?  If so, what would it be like? How would we decide?  Who would decide and who would be shut out, and how would we solve that problem?  And what good might it do?  Can we know till we try?  How many people have empathy enough for other people to make generous rules and jurisdiction, to free us from fears, to help us believe in ourselves and others? 
  Huge questions—and not one of them is unimportant.  Further, there are many more.  But ultimately, I don’t see how a nation or a people can survive without some mutually agreed upon group conscience that is even-handed and open to revision if needed. 
  If we had set up some consciously agreed-upon “national conscience” would it have made any difference up to now?  The Constitution is a kind of beginning, but why, then, do we allow it to be undermined by secrecy, fear and war?  Maybe because it’s in some vital way “out of date” and needs to be brought up to the present, hashed over, agreed upon and respected. Maybe we ought to start thinking about a worldwide conscience?  “Oh, please, Loueeze!\
Are you nutz?”
  Atomic bombs, weapons of mass destruction, and the tremendous possibilities of the Internet and modern scientific investigations make such a huge idea both evident and possible. John Lennon was right, though he probably didn’t realize it entirely.  “Imagine!”

He wants “revolution” and a Socialist Utopia (which, of course, translates as “nowhere”).  Like ChavezistKing, he’s the Left’s equivalent to the Tea Party.

Worth ignoring.

The first paragraph of this article takes the vastly overbaked cake, from my viewpoint.  If the details to this assassination spree become increasingly fewer and weaker, until they disappear within one month, we will know “who” sponsored the event.

Pharma companies produce the artificial, poisonous drugs and the poisonous alleged “vaccinations.”  Alleged “physicians” write the prescriptions. 

What with the illnesses and disabilities engendered by the poisonous drug preparations and increasingly forced poisons in “vaccinations,” what percentage of Americans will remain til 2012?

“It’s the mass insanity of (D) voting liberals that enables America’s war crimes. “
Do you have eight year amnesia?

We also enable it by allowing the pharmaceutical companies to medicate 25% of our
children with medications that produce the very symptoms they are supposed to treat.
That cause permanent brain damage. Then we allow those same companies to settle
out of court with the families of the victims. To hush up their crimes, so that the
pharmaceutical companies can keep, hundred of billions of dollars in profit.

Those black box warnings, in addition to indicating increased suicidal thinking, should
also include increased risk of homicidal thoughts and armed psychotic rampages,
mayhem, with high loss of life. 

But our government and the FDA has a revolving door policy that gives former FDA
employees cushy jobs, in the corporations they were once supposed to regulate.

Sacrificing our children and our safety to the profit of big pharmacy is just one of the
many prices we pay to a government that is owned by the corporations. That’s what a
plutocracy is all about, not contacting the dots.

Create peace. Love peace. Support peace. Teach peace. Believe in peace.  Cherish peace.

QUOTE (of confused columnist Joe Conason):

“The first sign of national mental health would be for Congress to enact Rep. Carolyn McCarthy’s bill to outlaw high-capacity ammunition clips.”
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There won’t be any sign of “national mental health” in America until the nice polite people stop viciously voting for resource wars to be waged upon poor people having the misfortunate to live over rich resources.

Liberals are all shook up over this incident of miniature madness — just because it happened in their backyard — but they are already preparing to perpetrate their massive maniac madness again in 2012.

Onward the liberals are marching… to vote for bombing Iran.

It’s the mass insanity of (D) voting liberals that enables America’s war crimes.

When have what can only be called acts of domestic terrorism been perpetrated by the left? The current right wing ideology exptessed by the ballistic rhetoric of vigilantism against the government and individuals serving social causes can only spawn violence here and abroad.

“a debate that swiftly and predictably devolved into a self-pity party for Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and all of their imitators.”

One thing I remember from my youth about conservatives, the real ones that don’t exist any more, was that they valued self reliance. I’m talking about Harry Truman (ok, he was a Democrat, but he was a conservative), Everett Dirkson, Barry Goldwater, these guys didn’t have a lot of patience with self-pity. The victim card was not part of their arsenal.
But victimhood seems to have become an integral part of the makeup of modern “Conservatives”. From the Christian Right, to the Tea Party, to the Republican Party, one thing they have in common is a persecution complex. This is how they justify the violence of their rhetoric, and the extremity of their positions. “We want our country back!”, etc. Their attacks are forceful, often violent, and constant. But when confronted, they cry foul, like “See how the evil liberals take advantage of a national tragedy for political gain by blaming us, US, for the dastardly attack of that liberal wacko shooter.”

A young person who can’t think straight is able to murder innocent people.
A young person who seemingly thinks straight wears a uniform and murders innocent people.
A holder of a peace prize who gives the orders to murder innocent people sets the example of what we value most:
the power to murder innocent people at will.
What kind of asylum am I living in?

RE:
“madmen with a desire to kill face no obstacle in obtaining automatic weapons”

Joe:
It should have said “semi-automatic”.
It’s okay- you’re a reporter, and we don’t expect you to be a firearms expert.

It’s okay, we clearly understood exactly what you meant. No confusion on this reader’s part.

Just thought I’d toss that out there before the Holy Church of the Second Ammendment jumps all over you for a simple error that effects in no way the legitimacy of your argument.