SuperMike1661, January 18 at 5:20 am,

SuperMike1661 said:  “...these techniques, used on the average citizen, are statistically effective.  Citizens simply do not have the training to deconstruct what is happening to them, and there is zero probability that such training will be available in the near future.” —SuperMike1661, January 18 at 5:20 am, Truthdig Forum ‘How Violent Talk Blocks Sane Gun Laws’

ThomasG’s Answer:  Your claim that the average citizen is too ignorant and stupid to analyze information for content and use defined by three words:  BINARY — EMOTIONAL— and RHETORIC, is ludicrous.

The following link is to a educational website inspired by The Institute for Propaganda Analysis:

http://www.propagandacritic.com/articles/intro.ipa.html

I can understand why a propagandist would want to hide understanding of propaganda analysis behind complexity, and that is a self serving choice made by propagandists.

However, propaganda analysis based upon three words, binary— emotional— and rhetoric is simple and easy enough that propaganda analysis can be done effectively by all citizens, whether they are above or below average citizens, or just average citizens. 

Why is it that you are trying to frame propaganda analysis as being beyond the ability of average citizens ?  This sounds like you have an interest in maintaining the effectiveness of propaganda, rather than the understanding of propaganda.

numbnuts, Your statement that, “The violence you mention against progressives is not perpetrated by honest or sane people” is true more or less. 

In Tuscon, and across the nation however, we seem to be witnessing a growing number of gun plays emanating from Right Wing extremists who are also unstable.  They are most-likely responding to militant dog whistles sounded by the Tea Party. The Tea Party is thus throwing meat at already starving dogs… and the violence should have been predicted by them.

Finally we see the Tea Party in a tight spot.  It used its exciting lingo to stoke a huge set of victories last November, but now the lingo is exploding in its hands.  Thus do the populist Republicans walk a thin line between excitement to murder and much lessor performance in 2012.

An interesting but dangerous situation.

ThomasG’s Answer:  If you want to deweaponize Psy-Ops, etc. etc.

Ok. The only problem with your analysis is that these techniques, used on the average citizen, are statistically effective. Citizens simply do not have the training to deconstruct what is happening to them, and there is zero probability that such training will be available in the near future.

Your responses are essentially theoretical… interesting but unrelated to operations on the ground.

Good luck.

SuperMike1661, January 17 at 10:22 pm,

SuperMike1661 said:  “You need to aggressively deconstruct the communication operations that are being run against American Conservative Populists within the Republican Party.”—SuperMike1661, January 17 at 10:22 pm, Truthdig ‘How Violent Talk Blocks Sane Gun Laws’

ThomasG’s Answer:  If you want to deweaponize Psy-Ops, it can be done by the targeted populations of Psy-Ops employing Propaganda Analysis, and Propaganda Analysis consists of three basic tenets, binary choice—emotional choice— and rhetoric, language used to lead others to a conclusion to accept one of the two choices and reject the remaining choice.

“The Institute For Propaganda Analysis” was originated for this purpose and “The Institute For Propaganda Analysis” developed seven different forms of propaganda as follows:

1.  Name Calling,

7.  Band Wagon

The common thread in all of these differing forms of propaganda is that they all involve binary choice, emotional choice, and use language that lead others to a conclusion to accept one of the two choices and reject the remaining choice.

The solution to Psy-Ops is the same as it was in the World War II Era, PROPAGANDA ANALYSIS.

What you have said may indeed represent what is happening on the Left, but it is disconnected from the surge of Right Wing murders.  Allow me to explicitly state what is causing these murders.  I have very little time here.

You need to aggressively deconstruct the communication operations that are being run against American Conservative Populists within the Republican Party.

The primary tool that is used by extremely capable Propagandists on the Right is Political Psychological Operations.  Poly PsyOps was developed during the cold war, and it was long-ago turned on the American people by the most sophisticated PsyOp professionals in the world. (British experts first developed rudimentary PsyOps in dividing and manipulating demographically differentiated populations during the development of their Empire, and they perfected basic techniques during WWII while training Americans)

Do a search on Frank Luntz’s company theworddoctors.com to get a quick look at the profile of a moderately TOP LEVEL player in this field.  Luntz is useful to Right Wing PsyOps users because his personality is videogenic.  Yet he IS NOT a fully top of the line supplier. Fully elite consultants run in stealth mode but are not impossible to locate.  Luntz gives the FACE of American PsyOps a friendly veneer… it is ACCEPTABLE.

Note: The American Right Wing includes substantial numbers of PsyOp professionals because of its deep bond with the US military and Intelligence communities. Very substantial sums are spent training and experiencing PsyOp experts inside the DIA and CIA. These two agencies are the primary breeding ground for Domain Experts who operate a level or two above Luntz.  The American Left is far behind.

The REALITY is that these latest murders in Tuscon are simple blow BLOW BACK from PsyOps run by the American Right targeting Conservative Populists.  The destabilized murderer is as much a victim as are the corpses that he left behind.

Most useful to a full understanding of the Operational Map is that Corporate Power is not particularly interested in the details of Right Wing PsyOps, as LONG AS THEY DO NOT INTERFERE WITH ITS PROFIT HARVEST IN THE UNITED STATES.  Presently Corporate Media is busy tamping down the fires, lest they unleash a Black Swan event. Such an event would be extended GUN PLAY among competing political factions… something that could damage Bottom Line processes.

See typical DOD PsyOp (non-stealth) here:

http://www.usacapoc.army.mil/facts-psyop.html

If my statement here is unclear… CHALLENGE ME.

SuperMike1661, January 17 at 10:55 am,

And, because the Democratic Party has chosen to only represent the academic population’s NEW CLASS of the upper most academic crust of the common population, led by the DLC currently chaired by Former Democratic Party Congressman Harold Ford, Jr. from Tennessee, in cooperation with the Republican Party as a political duopoly that only represents the academics, the elites and big corporations, which are 30% of the entire population, it is insignificant to leadership of this political party duopoly what happens to members of the 70% majority common population, the American Populace, and there are 216 Million of us who need to understand this, withdraw and represent the best interest of the 70% Majority American Common Populace, who haven’t been the Middle Class for years, just do not want to accept it and represent their own class and culture, but it must be done if the majority population of the United States is ever to have political representation.

And now the OTHER 9 Year-old murdered by Right Wing discontent in Arizona

Christina Taylor Green was not the first 9 year-old recently murdered in Arizona.  The fact the you do not know this points directly to ongoing and sophisticated censorship by American Corporate Media.  The Managers of Corporate Media feel that they must “protect” the stability of the American polity; so they have erected their own Great Wall of China around your mind.

On 30 May 2009, Brisenia Flores, 9, and her father Raul, 29, of Arivaca, Arizona, were murdered by a Right Wing hit team of the splinter group, Minutemen American Defense.  Jury selection begins this week in the capital murder trial of the Minutemen, including a national director of the group.  Nine year old Brisenia, pleaded for her life, but was shot to death anyway.  Brisenia’s mother was able to fend off her attackers. 

The SuperMike1661 Right Wing Murder List is about to be re-posted.  Version 1.2 will contain this profoundly disturbing hit.

Ron Paul’s quotation in the middle of this story is quite accurate. The Second Amendment was primarily enacted as a way of guaranteeing that citizens would be able to resist tyranny on the part of their own government. Secondarily, they would also be part of the citizen militia that could be called upon to help resist foreign invasion.

Tyrants are quite fond of gun control. Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and Castro all enacted strict gun-control laws. According to Founder Richard Henry Lee, the citizenry itself should comprise an armed force superior to any standing army the central government might field.

“Sane gun laws.”
A neat fantasy concept.

Sane gun laws do not work for those who disagree,
whether U.S.President, Senate Speaker, US Atty
General, experienced criminals, armed robbers, mafia
assassins, CIA assassins, police persons, etc, etc.

A Federal Circuit Judge adjudicated one clause
of the Brady Law to be unconstitutional
and nullified it. 
He was recently assassinated in Tucson, Arizona.

I wonder if his assassination were related
with his having renderd an adjudication
in a Federal Circuit Court
that worked against the intent
of “the U.S. administration” ?

Marshall
“I believe he cited four different countries.”
He cited Mexico to make the case. The other references were pretty superficial and cursory.

In any case that’s not how you make statistical generalizations. There are a number states, and countries with tight gun laws and low gun-related crimes.

Switzerland makes no such case.

Spiegel Online reports that 66% of the Swiss want a ban on guns being stored at home (due to the militia connection), and 76% felt there was no need for these guns or accompanying ammunition at home to defend the country. Considering an active army roster of only 134,886, the Swiss apparently still feel that their government will sufficiently come to their aid. And there are many Americans who feel that same security with their local police force, making an arsenal in the home, or the carrying of a concealed weapon, unnecessary to many.

I’m Canadian and the per capita gun-related deaths is no where near that of the US and their gun laws are much tougher, being a socialist country.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1335070/

Once again we update the list of ongoing Right Wing murders.  Post this list far and wide.  Corporation Media does not want you to know.

This latest list contains the murders of February 2010: A software engineer furious with the Internal Revenue Service launched a suicide attack on the agency by crashing his small plane into an office building containing nearly 200 IRS employees, setting off a raging fire, killing two. The suicide note stated, “Violence is not only the answer, it is the only answer…”
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THE RIGHT WING MURDER CAMPAIGN… WILL IT NEVER END?
supermike1661 Version 1.1 updated on 1/15/2011

Post this list far and wide.  Corporation Media does not want you to know.

—July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

—October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

—December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals—the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure”—threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.

—December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

—January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

—February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

—April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself.
Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.
—April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

—May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

—June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

—February 2010: A software engineer furious with the Internal Revenue Service launched a suicide attack on the agency by crashing his small plane into an office building containing nearly 200 IRS employees, setting off a raging fire, killing two.  The suicide note stated, “Violence is not only the answer, it is the only answer…”

By RayLan, January 15 at 9:13 am Link to this comment

“Using a single country to make the general case is simplistic…”

I believe he cited four different countries.

Also - Canada has quite high gun ownership rate but low gun homicide.  In the
US, most gun violence is gang/drug related (sorta like mexico).  This becomes
more a cultural problem than a gun problem.  And limiting clip size?  A joke. 
We’d do better to try and encourage responsibility and better family/education
values in inner-city communities where gangs thrive.

Occasional wack-jobs get all the press, but we’ve become numb to the real
problem which goes on every day in our cities.

Peter Knopfler,
“Proof is in the taste, Mexico strictest gun laws No
GUNS WHAT SO EVER: Record says Mexico highest murder
rate in the world, “
Nice Try.
Using a single country to make the general case is simplistic and in this case invalid. Mexico is different from the US in at least one important feature - the government is weak and corrupted. The drug dealing violence is unparelleled. They are almost in an anarchic state. The guns are smuggled from where? Arizona with the lax gun laws.

SuperMike1661, January 15 at 4:52 am,

You have Rupert Murdoch and Roger Aisles pegged.

HOW TO DO MURDER FROM AFAR… ACCIDENTALLY

Let us assume that there really ARE such things as highly sophisticated PR campaigns that go awry on occasion.  How do they start, and how do they end?

Such campaigns ALWAYS BEGIN with an analysis of the undefined FORCES IN THE MIND of the target population.  Via highly controlled focus group analyses, the Undefined becomes Defined.

A sophisticated PR operation, FOX NEWS CHANNEL is one, has a complete analysis of these Forces. It MIGHT be a controlled distribution, 542 page, spiral bound notebook AND NEVER A COMPUTER FILE!

Once the natural Forces in the Target’s mind are defined, for example, “my culture is being polluted by immigrants”, then a Narrative can be applied to that Pollution Force that operationalizes it… makes it USEFUL for POLITICAL OPERATIONS. 

A Narrative line might be, “immigrants are destroying the Concept of Christmas”.

As I drive this Narrative over the years, I condition the anger that is ALREADY in the Target’s mind. I CONDITION it so that this anger can be CONNECTED to OTHER Forces that ARE NOT in the Target’s mind… “Obama” for instance.

Obama is an Immigrant… ergo, Obama is “destroying” Christmas.

In this way I take natural, free floating anger, and shape and direct it. If this were a real story, it now has a fatal flaw… at least it would be fatal to anyone but a real PR professional… like say Mr. Roger Ailes.

^^^^^^The little flaw in this technique is that occasionally a disturbed gunman who is ultra-sensitive WILL BE DRIVEN OVER THE TOP TO MURDER. This is understood and accepted by the PR professional… these are “acceptable losses” to him.^^^^^^

A complete analysis of the Anger Forces for the United States Right Wing will cost a few hundred thousand dollars, and needs to be updated Quarterly via subscription. A top-of-the-line expert on the American middle class, Frank Luntz for example, will charge a Million.

If such campaigns really existed they would be very valuable to people who needed to MOBILIZE already angry Americans.  Such campaigns would be the pride and joy of great media owners. These campaigns might be the real POWER that such owners manifest….. no chaos, no chance, just STATISTICALLY ANALYZED FOCUS GROUPS WITH plus or minus 5 percent accuracy.

keep on blogging… your grandchild will be asking you what you DID for her when she was in grade school…. before they made her carry her permanent GPS smart-phone for HER counter-terrorism safety.

Peter Knopfler, January 15 at 3:35 am,

I agree with you, the American Populace must not give up their guns.

Proof is in the taste, Mexico strictest gun laws No
GUNS WHAT SO EVER: Record says Mexico highest murder
rate in the world, Analysis, those who have no gun
live at the mercy who have a gun!  Switzerland every
home has a gun, family shooting centers, supervised
gun safety, Finland Norway similar. Imagine across
along the border 50,000 dead in 4 years, same
saturday in Tucson Mexico 51 dead 15 heads cut off,
give up your guns Mexico your future, TV shows
violence games, movies music sex and violence airport
enhanced pat down squeeze rub a tug on your private
parts violence is ON AIR and in the air in all public
places police state side effects, never let a
disaster go to waste, hide your guns.

It is TRUE THAT THERE IS NO CORPORATE CONSPIRACY.

The truth of CORPORATE power is less obvious.

Like the Laws of Physics that bind an Electron to the Nucleus, the Corporation was OPENLY designed to ACT openly for its secret FUNDERS… who control it. Thus we see the true FUNDER-face of Goldman-GE and its Saudi Princeling Partners.

It IS the FUNDERS WHO CONSPIRE COVERTLY while their CORPORATE robots OPENLY manipulate political systems and entire populations… for the continuous enhancement of the FUNDER’S bottom-line. 

More instructive is how outdated philosophies bind Corporate supporters TO the Robots.  The foolishly dependent Western Middle Classes are presently sentencing their children to centuries of servitude in competition with the Slaves of China. The corporate FUNDERS will grow evermore wealthy, as the Children of Western Middle Classes are so enslaved in competition with the FUNDER’S Chinese Corporate Robots. Thus do the Paid Supporters of Corporate Power sentence their progeny to dark centuries of servitude as foretold by George Orwell.

So we are witnessing the greatest Class-subversion in world history as the Western Middle Class subverts itself. 

How many of you are selling your children’s future so that your Robot Employer can reimburse you at the end of the month?

If six people—including a child, a federal judge, several senior citizens and a Congessional aide—can be killed during an attack on a member of Congress, who was shot in the head, and THE ONLY MEMBER OF THE HOUSE who attempts to take serious action is a woman whose loved ones were gunned down in a similar attack, something is wrong.

It would be great to comment on the comments. That way we can exchange our differences of opinions.

A small number of you have matured politically to a full AntiCorp position; so you will know that what we are seeing now is a simple pause in the ever-accelerating process of power consolidation by the Funders of Corporatist force in the West. 

But for those with domain knowledge about PR processes, we can ask what is the present situation on the ground?

The Positional Propaganda Game has stabilized.  Glenn, Sarah and Rush are now pushed back on their heels, and they will temporarily moderate.

HOWEVER, The Right and its FUNDERS, from Saudi Princes to Goldman-GE, are now ADDICTED to the political gains that they made in the last cycle by Incitement to Murder.  Because The Right’s FUNDERS are experiencing an ever-shrinking Base (white people mostly), they MUST continue to aggressively incite those shrinking forces. THIS MEANS MORE MURDERS… A CONTINUATION OF THE SLAUGHTER THAT BEGAN VIA THEIR INCITEMENT IN 2008.  (Someone please post the Murder List.)

For the long run, the next 5 years, Progressive Elements in the West will have to tolerate these Wet Operations until we can reorganize our forces and push Corporatist Power into the political gutter.  This will be a race to the finish: Can they enslave us, re 1984, before we contain their enormous power to subjugate and murder?

If THEY WIN we can look forward to Centuries of dark repression re George Orwell… maybe Millennia.

We need to

1. URGENTLY restructure our ideology, including a bond with the AntiCorp forces of the Right.

2. Aggressively compensate for the Corporate Media’s expected FAILER-TO-REPORT the ongoing slaughter of Progressive People.  Keep publishing and building the Murder List.

“Our “Republic” was built on the premise that all government are “evil.””

False.
The US Constition is primarirly a document that defines the structure and function of limited government - it is neither a libertarian nor a anarchic manifesto.

This country is at a milestone of dysfunction. Chris Hedges (who is strangely silent since the Tuscon event), has continually claimed the electoral process to be impotent. The corporatocracy has disenfranchised the middle class and lower. It is a kind of capitalist elite monarchy telling the masses to eat cake. Historically the event that signaled the beginning of Western democracy was the French Revolution. It was a violent essentially left-wing revolution - a toppling of the elite centers of power to place them in hands of the people - particularly the working class - the proletariat. It understood ‘Liberté, égalité, fraternité,’ to drive what we have written into our constitution as the essentials of democracy.
Norhing about that humanistic revolution determined that democracy should be associated with an economic system like capitalism. Ir reads like any socialist manifesto and it isn’t surprising that Europe has evolved into a political system that is far to the left of the US.

Let me start by saying I am a bit of a minority in that I am a democrat that supports gun right’s…including concealed carry, though I do not currently have a permit.  I have heard people criticize Arizona’s concealed carry law in a few discussions surrounding last weekends events.  To my knowledge, Jarad did not have a concealed carry permit, so I am not sure why that is even being mentioned.  My question is what ‘reasonable’ gun law revision(s) would have prevented this tragedy?  Should we require psychological tests now before one can purchase a firearm?  If so, who would/should pay for that?  Should gun sellers be required to perform YouTube and Facebook searches before selling a gun to see if, like Jarad, they’ve posted any unusual postings?  As Jon Stewart pointed out, Peter King’s 1,000 feet restriction proposal is laughable.  How would people know when a politician is within 1,000 feet of them?  Since it is fairly well known that killing someone is already a crime, the most obvious problem with any proposed gun law is this:  SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO KILL YOU, DOES NOT CARE ABOUT VIOLATING A GUN LAW!  Which brings me back to concealed carry.  As a former police officer in a state that allows concealed carry, I had no problem with the law.  A person who was going to take the time to fill out the required paperwork, pass the background check, and take the 40 hour safety class, was not the person I typically needed to worry about.  They are almost always law abiding citizens, and law abiding citizens don’t usually kill people since…well…it’s against the law.  It was the person who was willing to carry the gun WITHOUT the permit that I was most concerned with.

Our “Republic” was built on the premise that all government are “evil.” Do I really have to give any examples.  (“Nazis” Called Social “Democratic” Party)(Russia (People’s Communist Party) (China that was a good one they only murdered a 100 million or so)
I don’t know if anybody heard about the 15 people who were murdered south the the border.  They were decapitated. Oh yeah this mourning in South Florida a Motorcycle traveling at 100mph slammed into the back of a car and murdered two people that was a non-sequitur.
The point here as the (Supremees) Black Robe Dudes in Washington said in 1865, the Second does not give you the right to bear arms, the citizens had that before the constitution was written, the amendment prevents the government from infringing on that right.  See: US v. Cruikshank (1865)

Our “Republic” was built on the premise that all governments are “evil.” Do I really have to give any examples?  (“Nazis” Called Social “Democratic” Party)(Russia (People’s Communist Party) (China that was a good one they only murdered a 100 million or so)
I don’t know if anybody heard about the 15 people who were murdered south the border.  They were decapitated. Oh yeah this morning in South Florida a Motorcycle traveling at 100mph slammed into the back of a car and murdered two people that was a non-sequitur.
The point here as the (Supremees) Black Robe Dudes in Washington said in 1865, the Second does not give you the right to bear arms, the citizens had that before the constitution was written, the amendment prevents the government from infringing on that right.  See: US v. Cruikshank (1865)
The recent killings in Arizona have become a great chance for Obama to campaign.  Did you see the t-shirts they gave away? 
In conclusion people are murdered and killed all the time even unjustly by the cops.  The right to self-defense is paramount to my right to survive.  No one should have any say so in my right to defend myself and my family.  If you choose not to arm yourself from the criminal element then that is at your own peril.  Wait until the Food Wars start. In 2075 or sooner?

The peoples right to keep and bear arms certainly should not be given up because of conservative political infighting, as the fight is between two factions of the Right, conservatives cannibalizing conservatives, which gives liberals a rest from Right-Wing cannibalizing.  When Right-Wing cannibal factions are fighting, liberals need to withdraw and pray for the Lord’s will to be done.  Peace.

The farmers with muskets of the founders’ day, fighting for freedom from tyranny, are a far cry from the whacked out right-wingers with assault rifles, of today, in part motivated by the fact of a black man in the White House. The founders had no way of anticipating that. Nor the sad fact of mentally deranged people who, released by Saint Ronald of Hollywood from the bondage of government sponsored treatment, roam the streets, some dreaming dreams of carnage.
The founders thought they were creating a healthy country.
But the country we have inherited is not a healthy country.
Unlimited access to weaponry is suicide in a country in which many of its citizens have lost their way, and in which some of the leaders see gain in cranking them up and pointing them at their adversaries.

ChavezistaKing is no different than Sarah Palin or Sharon Angle.  His irresponsible calls for “revolution” are no different than their “2nd Amendment situations”.

And that enemy is the 5% oligarchic ruling class, The Israeli Zionist Lobby, The Military Industrial Complex, and Wall Street Bankers.
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Translation: Jews, the MIC, and more Jews (“Wall Street Bankers” is the new code word for Jews, even though most of them aren’t) 

This poster is YET another neo-Nazi, posting the destruction of Jews as the answer to everything.  Interestingly, one of his two heroes, Castro, never went that way.  But his other hero, Chavez, has gone from defending Jews in Venezuela to using them as a political pawn to fire up supporters.

Dear friends, i read something about cinema therapy, and the psychological, motivational effect of movies on people.  And here is a very inspirational, motivational speech from the movie Independence Day with Will Smith and Bill Pullman.  Very relevant for a divided USA, that needs to fight a common enemy. And that enemy is the 5% oligarchic ruling class, The Israeli Zionist Lobby, The Military Industrial Complex, and Wall Street Bankers. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUdB8gCMcXI

It is time for all americans to put away their petty differences and to unite into a United Patriotic Front and to fight politically or even in a revolution against our common enemy which is the ruling capitalist elite, that are destroying us, and a threat to the world, with their imperialist dangerous wars.  To declare our independence from the capitalist tyranny elites

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BLAMING THE TEA PARTY, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ANTI-SCIENTIFIC, BECAUSE MOST AMERICANS ARE BECOMING ANTI-SOCIALS, UNFRIENDLY AND HEARTLESS JUST LIKE JARED LOUGHNER.

THE LACK OF SOCIAL SKILLS, THE LACK OF HUMAN TOUCH AND HUMAN CONTACT, LACK OF LOVE AND LACK OF HUGS AMONG PEOPLE, AND AMONG NEIGHBORS AND COMMUNITIES

Bad news for social people, for people who are into arts, humanities, liberal arts and who need human communication for their personal activities, for literature writters, for book writters and for progressive socialists, individualism, social-phobia, and unfriendly, lack of social skills behaviour is on the rise in America and USA will probably turn into a fascist society.  According to sociologist Pepe Escobar, the hatred in the US society will continue in his latest article here: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MA13Ak03.html

I really don’t understand why there is so much unfriendly and lack of communication in America. Even christmas were real depressive and sad around where i live.  And there is a trend

Well people in America won’t hate you if you give them money, people in America are becoming real soul-less, real greedy, and relationships are based on gifts, if you dont give people some money, if you don’t tip people they won’t even smile at you, what an evil satanic society.

And even the conspiracy theorist, sociologist, psychologist Henry Makow in his site http://www.henrymakow.com wrote an article about the lack of love between couples, the destruction of families, the hatred of children against their parents, parents against their children, hatred between family members. And how many american women are becoming real evil and resentful against male, with the fascist-feminist movement, a war to destroy american males.

It is real sad how the USA is becoming, a society divided into clans, tribes and groups, each group hating each other, instead of the whole country united together

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ChaviztaKing, January 14 at 6:46 am,

The solution is Socialized Capitalism.

ChaviztaKing, January 14 at 6:39 am,

Praise the Lord.  I think the Lord is preserving Gabriel Gifford and she will be renewed.  Mrs. Gifford-Kelly is Jewish, whether or not she is Christian I haven’t heard, but I am Christian; I enjoyed the praise of the Lord Jesus and do pray for her to get well, even though I do not agree with her politically Conservative Blue Dog politics which isn’t fiscal at all, as politics is leadership of constituents in their best interest and non-constituents against their best interest.

The only solution for USA is a Christian Socialist Party in the US government with the economic system of nationalization of all giant corporations under workers’ ownership, and the real christian-socialist teachings of Jesus Christ in the leaders of the Christian Socialist Government leaders of loving all humans, staying away from corruption, sexual immoralities, pleasures, greed, selfishness, idolatry of money and material wealth and sin, and the same time a Marxist world view in which the wealth of the country would belong to workers and all people, who are the real owners of the USA, and even a christian humanist world view of using the great spare wealth of USA and the economic and technological power of USA to share wealth produced in USA to hungry nations, spreading wealth, food, technology, love and support to those hungry nations in pain like Haiti, Ethiopia, Palestine and much part of Africa.

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Dear brothers and sisters in Christ and in socialism: Watch this video and pray so that the Lord God will get Gabrielle Gifford back to health again, and back to work in the US congress

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COQ6cni_TG8&feature=related

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babycatajesus, January 14 at 5:24 am,

babycatajesus said:   “those fuckers on Wall Street and the other psychopathic parasites that infest the hallowed corridors of your now corporatised government.
It is these vile creatures that profit from the chaos and the insanity that seems to be engulfing your country like an ever building tsunami.
They profit no matter which way the penny drops. These are your real enemies!” —babycatajesus, January 14 at 5:24 am Truthdig ‘How Violent Talk Blocks Sane Gun Laws’

MarthaA’s Answer:  Those that you have mentioned along with Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News Network’s paid media propagandists and sophists [Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly and many others; the Koch Brothers, David & Charles, Newt Gingrich, Richard Shelby and others in Congress ARE Conservative Republican Right-Wing EXTREMISTS deliberately blocking and causing chaos to incite hate, confusion and impasse, while President Obama tries to make peace, like Neville Chamberlain.  These Conservative Republican Right-Wing EXTREMISTS don’t want peace, but I do not think President Obama will ever understand, because he keeps cooperating with them to his and the country’s demise.

Sadly, it would seem that America is descending into ever rapid decay, even collapse!
Your people are tearing one another apart, even many of those commenting on the articles in TruthDig in response to the recent slaughter in Tucson.
Many of you are ignoring the real perpetrators of your malaise – those fuckers on Wall Street and the other psychopathic parasites that infest the hallowed corridors of your now corporatised government.
It is these vile creatures that profit from the chaos and the insanity that seems to be engulfing your country like an ever building tsunami.
They profit no matter which way the penny drops. These are your real enemies!

The peoples right to keep and bear arms should not be given up because of this political killing that was agitated by Conservative Republican Right Wing EXTREMIST hate rhetoric against liberals.

“This means that Right Wing gains in this most recent
election would have been less.  But do gun owners
value the political gains of Corporatists OVER their
right to bear?”

In right wing movements where the conservatives
eventually take total control of the country and
plunge it into totalitarian corporatism such as Nazi
Germany the people always end up surrendering their
weapons. For example, the SA, the zealous, populist,
militia enforcers of the proto Nazi party, gave up
their weapons and disbanded when the Gestapo and SS
became the enforcers.  Non rural common citizens all
ended up surrendering their weapons soon after.  This
is because most right wing non rural gun owners
possess arms because they fear crime or the left.  If
the corporate government suppressed all who opposed
the corporatist agenda most conservatives would
slowly lose the desire for weapons and would be open
to propaganda encouraging them to eventually disarm
themselves.

hello again. SuperMike 1661, you rant alike a self
serving maniac, which is OK, but deciphering your
stance requires too much background information for
my invaluable time. try to write in a less convoluted
style of making your point, and perhaps i can better
understand your position. depreciating my opinion,
whilst you are unfamiliar with my beliefs, caused me
to try, myself- to return to complete more thorough
explanations. you are a fool to fear a corporatist.
they will not be in your kitchen robbing you, during
the coming food shortage (not supposed to happen in
wealthy countries alike ours), and the only catalyst
keeping you from a good job is yourself. legitimate
authoritative power is the only proven method of
political sciences in the history of mankind. if you
have a Utopian society based upon good will towards
fellow humans, with complete compliance and zero
harm- i am interested. until then i will nonviolently
oppose corporate entities through boycotts, and fight
to end the capitalist political machinations which
have no place in a democracy: without needing to kill
anybody. if you come into my house armed, and shoot
at me, i have a right to shoot back. be prepared, all
good patriots defend the Constitution. stop being
scared and feeling unsafe about those hired or
elected to protect you. work with them and be a
solution, and understand that your immediate
neighborhood includes 300 million people, and more
than 299 million get along just fine.

To Manny:

“- It was Obama-loving Amy Bishop who took a gun to
work and murdered co-
workers.”

Time to look past conservative and liberal labels,
capitalist ploys to divide the workers.  Obama is a
member of the ruling class and anyone who supports
his government now that it has shown his true colors
is just as “conservative” as any republican. 

“- Joseph Stack flew his plane into the IRS building
after writing an anti-
conservative manifesto.”

Justifiable class warfare.  The IRS exists only to
steal money from the working class.  Any taxes other
than progressive taxes and tariffs are unethical
thefts.

“- It was liberals who destroyed AM radio towers
outside of Seattle.”

AM radio towers are built to dispense corporate
propaganda. Justifiable class warfare.

“- It’s liberals who burn down Hummer dealerships.”

Those weren’t “liberals” they were people fed up with
the establishment’s only option for disobedience:
“nonviolent protest” which really means inaction.
Hummers are built by corporate wage-slavers for the
Middle Class that insures their existence against the
oppressed.  They encourage over consumption and ruin
the environment.  Justifiable class warfare.
“- It was progressive SEIU union thugs who beat a
black conservative man who
spoke his mind.”

Any “conservative” that speaks his “mind” is brain
washed by the establishment to speak out against his
own interests.  They accomplish this through fear,
making people believe that they are in danger of
having their jobs shipped out when unions demand fair
pay and reasonable conditions.  Without force Unions
and the entire Progressive movement would never have
been born and the establishment would be much closer
to outright imperialistic capitalist oligarchy.

“- It was a liberal who was sentenced to two years
for bringing bombs and riot
shields to the Republican National Convention in
2008.”

The government is the one who upped the ante.  If it
hadn’t crushed the passive protest movement
(inevitable in hindsight) then few would be tempted
to violently overthrow the evil ruling class, they’d
pursue the peaceful option as long as it’s
realistically possible.

“- It was a liberal who threatened to kill a
government informant who infiltrated
her Austin-based group that planned to bomb the RNC.”

Informants are establishment supporters and thus part
of the wage slave system.  As the resistance has no
jails only force can be used against traitors. 

“- It was liberals who assaulted police in Berkeley.”

Police are establishment enforcers and part of the
wage slave system.  They assault regular people every
day with their prisons and laws designed to maintain
the supremacy of the capitalist establishment. 
Anybody who advocates revolutionary change has no
choice but to regard the modern Gestapo as the enemy.

American Socialist

Great Post. 

Given the structure of the Constitution, I do not think that any conceivable Supreme Court will be banning guns in the next 20 years… at least.

However, gun owners will take an IMAGE hit EVERY TIME that Propagandists excite unstable gun owners… and unfortunately there may be many thousands of these.  Gun owners need to strike out hard at any Propagandist who uses wild rhetoric to achieve political ends that can not be otherwise achieved.

This means that Right Wing gains in this most recent election would have been less.  But do gun owners value the political gains of Corporatists OVER their right to bear?

For anyone who wants to ban weapons: it’s easy to
find anything the establishment “bans.” 
The government knows they can’t make anything
disappear with prohibition, a “ban” is more like
adding an extra secret tax while simultaneously
forcing people to become outlaws and thus eventually
slaves by forcing them to use underground methods to
get what they want.  This almost always leads to the
“criminal” being registered into the convict slave
class through arrest. The government spends more and
makes more in any prohibition, thus increasing its
power. It also leads to fuller prisons and thus
higher corporate profits for the prison related
industries. Millions of people who would otherwise
have full rights are becoming permanent members of
this underclass where the government has more power
to control your life.

Consider the war on drugs, the government not only
profits off seizures and black market deals with 3rd
world countries (iran-contra affair anyone?) but puts
itself in a position where it can define millions as
“felons” simply for drug use and restrict their
access to weapons, voting, and foreign travel. In a
way, the government does the same thing with weapons. 
It restricts the people’s access to weapons, defining
anybody who seeks competitive, modern weapons for
self or community defense or insurance against
tyranny as a criminal and thus placing them in the
convict slave class.  Simultaneously, the government
oppresses and profits with these same weapons! The
last weapons we have access to are simple rifles and
shotguns, even pistols are partially prohibited to
adults as you have to be 21 to legally purchase one.

This issue in some ways resembles the economic
situation.  The wider the gulf between the haves and
have-nots with money, the bolder the establishment
becomes in its thievery, justifying “bail outs” for
the upper classes while the poor have less than ever. 
It can accomplish this only through fear, the people
are so afraid that the system they have become
dependent on is dying that they willingly give up
their own money to the government gangsters. 
Similarly the government, with its widening,
unmatched superiority in deadly weapons is now
becoming so bold it is attempting to justify stealing
or regulating the arms of common men for our security
against uncommon criminals.  This has nothing to do
with crime, but everything to do with power.  The
government wants the last of our real power destroyed
so it can pave the way for pure imperialistic
oligarchy. The wider the gulf between the “haves” and
“have-nots” with weapons, the less freedoms the
common man will be able to preserve.  The government
can only accomplish this prohibition, like any other,
through fear, in this case of crime.  Well I say to
you, crime is not to be feared if your community
knows how to defend itself.  I fear a government
monopoly on weapons, which can only lead to tyranny
and persecution.

SuperMike1661: I am willing to die to secure the
people’s access to any and all forms of power that is
currently used by the ruling classes to oppress us. 
In the hands of the people this power could be used
to forge a great society of equals, not a tyranny
based on greed.

The Tuscon Murders are Only the latest Wet Operation of Right Wing Gun Slingers. (or… wake up barbieque)

—July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

—October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

—December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals—the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure”—threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.

—December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

—January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

—February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

—April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

—April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.
—May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

—June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

BarbieQue

You are a Leftist without the courage to point a clear finger at the real cause of these Murders. Do you enjoy the long trail of Murders blazed by Right Wing Wet Teams in the United States? I suppose that you do not. Wake up and see who is murdering your compatriots now!

You need to think very carefully about what you are saying here.  Do you accuse me of planning to do what the entire gun-owning sector of the Right
Wing has already done? Will you find it odd if the Left arms itself in the same way that most of the RIGHT IS ALREADY ARMED?

YOU are a Leftist who so afraid of the Wet Teams that you worry that I suggest that Armed Leftest might actually come to be in the future? This is your concern?

When they come to gun you down, will you use a chair to defend yourself as they did at Safeway, or will you actually save your own life.

Speak up now.

I posted Gabrielle Giffords position on Gun Control and this is what I get back?

By SuperMike1661, January 13 at 10:06 am

“...If you refuse to acknowledge that Right Wing Gunman are murdering us at an ever increasing rate, then finally we of the Left will arm ourselves. We will come for you as you continue to come for us.  So you have a choice NOW…”

Holy Smokes. Might be time for a checkup, Mikie. I’m about as “rightwing” as Reverend Wright, who IMO probably told more truth during campaign season 2008 than everyone except Ron Paul.

Betcha can’t begin to decipher that, which is a common problem with the brainwashed Stockholm syndrome sufferers.

Did you think “Left Wing Gunmen” were coming for you when Gerald Ford or Ronnie Raygun was shot?

it ends thusly:
“...We on the left do not have these massive storehouses of guns… yet.  We on the Left do NOT have the inclination to USE guns as political tools…YET.”

You’re a fool to post stuff like that. IP #s can bring an SUV to your doorstep in an hour. Please continue, as I’m genuinely worried that you are a potential terrorist threat right about now.

*****

Tropicgirl:

Your January 13 at 5:21 pm post nailed it like a carpenter. Bravo.

American Socialist

I will die for your right to bear arms.

Will you die for my right to a decent job?

If you will do this, we can join together and work against the rapidly consolidating wealth of the Few.

The Few, not all Americans, now invest in Slave Economies to put slave workers in competition with your children at 22 cents per hour.

The few are angling around to limit your internet access.

The Few constantly agitate the unstable gun owners, of which there are thousands, to the detriment of the huge non-murderous group of gun owners. 

Can we work together?

The Establishment has pounced on this disaster to
shove anti gun propaganda back to the fore front of
the corporate media.  The day we lose our second
amendment rights will be followed by the day we lose
our first amendment rights.  Us leftists are supposed
to want POWER for the people.  Well my friends, power
is arms and force is ultimately violence, whether
deadly or not.  Without deadly force, the ultimate
power, in the hands of the people the establishment
would slowly be able to take the away all the other
forms of power (assembly, speech, etc.) from the
masses. If the government steals our arms we are left
powerless and dictatorship is sure to follow. 
Honestly, do you people live more in fear from random
criminals or the establishment, the ultimate
criminal?  This is the way they want you to think;
that you depend upon them for protection and control.
Not me, I own guns because I’m a man, I have rights
and a responsibility to defend myself and my family. 
How could I claim being anti-establishment and pro-
revolutionary change if I utterly depend on the
current government for the all-important right of
security?  How can we expect to effect any real
change without weapons?  Every revolution, even
bloodless ones, ultimately depended on an armed
group’s support or action.

rollzone

The Corporatists have taken your job away, and they plan to put your child in competition with 21st Century slaves from Western China at 22 cents per hour. Did your gun protect you?

Corporatists took YOU down for a neat 2 Trillion USD circa 2008. Did your gun protect you?

Corporate lackys constantly aggitate for you and your fellow gun owners to seek gun remendies, but does this do anything for your country?

Keep your gun, but wake up to who is trying to manipulate you.

hello. how many gun laws does it take? a culture of
violence will utilize whatever means are available to
commit debauchery and slaughter. if ‘thou shalt not
kill’ has no legitimacy, no laws will prevail. tyranny
by oppressors never defeat the masses, but our right to
lethal force in self defense works as a deterrent, even
if only to enable the will to overcome tyrants. take
away the guns when there is a better way to defend
oneself, or there is no longer a need.

numbnuts

Nice post. But does it mean that your fellow gun owners ARE NOT killing my fellow Lefties by the arm full since the financial crisis of 2008?

Keep your eye on the ball. Somebody is inciting destabilized gunmen to murder for some reason.

skimohawk

Yea, it’s cool to be distant and disparaging.

Now, if you are an American, you can still help your country by asking basic questions: example: Which part of the political spectrum owns the huge majority of guns? Which political propagandists incite destabilized gun OWNERS to USE guns on other Americans?

Keep it simple at first, and you will find that Maddow is wrong.  There is an underlying use and manipulation of gun owners… a manipulation that very few of them are aware of.

Suggestion: Ask yourself why the Right is so busy Murdering the Left ever since the financial crises of 2008?

There is a reason that Rachel Maddow was hired by the largest manufacturing company in the world to hawk left wing views.  Ask yourself what that reason might be.

Rachel Maddow was right the other night: it is not possible to have any sort of rational discussion regarding “gun control” in this country.
As evidence of this being true, may I submit the previous several comments from other readers- none of which are either rational or logical.

Small wonder that “gun nut” has become part of the American lexicon.

Keep peddling! You’re getting better and better at going in circles!

tropicgirl

Based on my recent visit to the County Fairgrounds monthly Gun Sell, the overwhelmingly huge hoard of guns are in the hands of Right Wing zealots.  So these are YOUR PEOPLE. Not only are they YOUR people, they are being teased into a frenzy by YOUR Propagandists.

What I see is that all of your “Citizen” Posturing is simply a cover story to shield the ongoing slaughter of my fellow Left Wingers… who by in large do not own vast armories… as YOUR people do.

As a result of the Tuscon Slaughter, I am preparing for the fist time now to buy a weapon for personal protection. The blood bath that you pray for is probably on its way.  When some Right Wing pol is shot down by some armed and dangerous Lefty… do not be surprised.  You are actually begging for it.

NO! Better you should restrain YOUR people BEFORE the blood bath begins.

Peter King is just the kind of moron that is dangerous, to himself and others, by being so incredibly stupid and shortsighted.

Let me give you two reasons why we really need people to have the right to bear arms. Its very simple:

1. As they prove time and time again, the government is NOWHERE when it comes to protecting people. That situation is getting worse with many police stating publicly, as policy, that they will no longer respond to calls to homes. YOU may not care about your own safety, but if you have a family you must ask yourself what you would do.

Security measures that grab people’s genitals, do NOTHING to make people safer. That was recently proven by an airline pilot, acting on his own, to inform people. No containers are searched and the border is not secure.

That also means if someone, god forbid, came after Mr. Peter King, and the government was not there to protect him, like they often are not, but I expect it depends upon who you are, there would be no law-abiding, armed citizen that could save him. He would be a sitting duck.

2. The second reason its important, is that, with a citizenry that is unarmed, the rogue elements of governments, up and down the spectrum, are at liberty to act without any restraint. If 911 proved anything its that people will bring down a terrorist with their bare hands if they can, and they would do much better armed. But if that terrorist is a rogue actor, sent from within, for whatever reason, and this is part of history now in many cases already declassified, then those interests would certainly want to support unreasonable disarming of the American people.

The way it is. I wish everyone was non-violent, but disarming the sane and honest is not the way to go.

BarbieQue your gun is your own affair.  However the proven INCLINATION that Right Wingers have to USE their guns on my political compatriots has now crossed the line. 

If you refuse to acknowledge that Right Wing Gunman are murdering us at an ever increasing rate, then finally we of the Left will arm ourselves. We will come for you as you continue to come for us.  So you have a choice NOW.

We on the left do not have these massive storehouses of guns… yet.  We on the Left do NOT have the inclination to USE guns as political tools…YET.

Decide.

Marshall makes the extremely egregious error of focusing on Rhetoric…NO!

The issue here is MURDERS.  Marshall’s people have the GUNS and the INCLINATION to use them.  Marshall’s people are easily ACTIVATED by Rush and Sarah and Glenn.

Our people on the Left (presently) do NOT have the guns… nor do they have the inclinaion to use such weapons.

Keep it up Marshall. By ignoring the ongoing MURDERS of your ilk, you are pushing the Left to Arm.  Then we will see how you like a REAL blood BATH as apposed to your current blood LETTING.

The partisans attempting to score gun control points via the tragedy on Saturday maybe should read Gabrielle Giffords position on Gun Rights:

“...Giffords supports gun rights.[60] She opposed the Washington D.C. gun ban, signing an Amicus curiae brief with the U.S. Supreme Court to support its overturn.[60][61]...”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabrielle_Giffords

But lately, facts don’t seem to matter much

Did it ever occur to that loudmouth sheriff (who apparently decides which laws to enforce by himself) to provide security at a public gathering for a Congressperson?

And why is that?

“Is it any wonder that the gun lobby argues that restricting high-capacity
magazines is just one step down the road to dictatorship?”

Screw dictatorship.  Restricting high-capacity magazines is just plain an
ineffective waste of time and money.  It’s easily defeated and there’s no more
evidence it would reduce casualties than there is that it wouldn’t increase them
(two guns instead of one).

I don’t think it’s being totally honest to single out right wing-nuts over left
wing-nuts, who’s violent rhetoric as often strays out of bounds as I recall it
often did during Bush’s tenancy.  The right is blamed for maps with cross-hairs
despite the existence of predecessors on the left.  But I also fail to see why it’s
all of a sudden time to single out the right because of the actions of an
apolitical psychopath whose intended victim happened to be a member of the
left (and a relatively conservative one at that)?  I agree that rhetoric can cross
lines of acceptability. The right happens to own the gun issue thus making it an
easy… dare I say “target”... for those who want to paint the conservative cause
as being violent at the core (and by inference, a placid and peaceful left), but it’s
not true.

Overtly violent rhetoric should be condemned wherever it appears.

It doesn’t matter what kind of conversation takes place among the public regarding “gun control”.
As long as the gun lobby owns as much of Congress as it does, we will retain the status quo.

THE BUILDING WAVE OF RIGHT WING MURDER

This from poster JEP from another site:

•  July 2008: A gunman named Jim David Adkisson, agitated at how “liberals” are “destroying America,” walks into a Unitarian Church and opens fire, killing two churchgoers and wounding four others.

—October 2008: Two neo-Nazis are arrested in Tennessee in a plot to murder dozens of African-Americans, culminating in the assassination of President Obama.

—December 2008: A pair of “Patriot” movement radicals—the father-son team of Bruce and Joshua Turnidge, who wanted “to attack the political infrastructure”—threaten a bank in Woodburn, Oregon, with a bomb in the hopes of extorting money that would end their financial difficulties, for which they blamed the government. Instead, the bomb goes off and kills two police officers. The men eventually are convicted and sentenced to death for the crime.

—December 2008: In Belfast, Maine, police discover the makings of a nuclear “dirty bomb” in the basement of a white supremacist shot dead by his wife. The man, who was independently wealthy, reportedly was agitated about the election of President Obama and was crafting a plan to set off the bomb.

—January 2009: A white supremacist named Keith Luke embarks on a killing rampage in Brockton, Mass., raping and wounding a black woman and killing her sister, then killing a homeless man before being captured by police as he is en route to a Jewish community center.

—February 2009: A Marine named Kody Brittingham is arrested and charged with plotting to assassinate President Obama. Brittingham also collected white-supremacist material.

—April 2009: A white supremacist named Richard Poplawski opens fire on three Pittsburgh police officers who come to his house on a domestic-violence call and kills all three, because he believed President Obama intended to take away the guns of white citizens like himself. Poplawski is currently awaiting trial.

—April 2009: Another gunman in Okaloosa County, Florida, similarly fearful of Obama’s purported gun-grabbing plans, kills two deputies when they come to arrest him in a domestic-violence matter, then is killed himself in a shootout with police.

—May 2009: A “sovereign citizen” named Scott Roeder walks into a church in Wichita, Kansas, and assassinates abortion provider Dr. George Tiller.

—June 2009: A Holocaust denier and right-wing tax protester named James Von Brunn opens fire at the Holocaust Museum, killing a security guard.

Dionne makes the mistake that so many other Left-leaning thinkers make: That Militaristic Right Wing Propaganda is a key issue. NO. Right Wing Murders are the key issue.

I will post here in a few minutes the most up to date list that we have of the huge wave of Right Wing Murders currently building in the United States.  YOU should copy and paste it so that it goes VIRAL.

In democracy, extremism in defense of anything doesn’t work.  Democracy is built around, and depends upon, the idea that for every problem there are reasonable and equitable solutions that can be arrived at through honest sharing of different opinions and reasoned argument.

One big problem is that our culture is not democratic; furthermore, at present it actively discourages democracy.  So democracy has become not much more than a sanctimonious pretense from a wrongly hallowed past.  What’s democratic about 90% of the wealth and power being owned by 2 or so % of the population?  What’s democratic about thousands of sick people not getting proper medical care?  About teachers being maligned and schools crumbling in inner cities?  What’s democratic about banks taking homes from children whose fathers can’t find jobs?If the power structure refuses to serve the people, the country disintegration.
  If the media refuse to serve the people by helping them understand their situatioin, and to get their grievances aired and discussed, if the media and the police treat complaints as disloyalty, what are people to do but get angry? 
  These are key issues—and there are others—which beg for honest discussioin and open ways to foster freedom of information and clarity about ways to redress grievances so that wrongs do not fester. 
  Our problems are fully solvable without guns and violence, and the media and the government itself (including law enforcement) have very necessary roles in helping to forward the discussion and dissention necessary to bringing solutions about. They, too, need to be called to account.
  It seems to me that the people are doing just about as well as they can under the circumstances.  They need their government and private agencies to step up to the plate and help them out by making access free and open and by cooperating for the common good of our children.