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Posted on Sep 6, 2011
AP / Pablo Martinez Monsivais

By Stanley Kutler

We fashionably compress our commemorations of 9/11 events into a neat triangle to include the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. But in accepting this, we terribly distort our history, for any link between 9/11, the present Afghanistan War and the Iraq War is patently false. To perpetuate the deceits of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney is only to delude ourselves. The attack on America did not legitimate the foreign policy debacles that have hobbled us for much of the past decade.

The American response in Afghanistan to the aerial assault of September 2001 was proper if limited to the overthrow of a regime that harbored the nation’s avowed enemies and designed to capture the perpetrators themselves. But the decade-long quagmire of the Afghanistan War (with more casualties to come and with further devastation to our economy) has little justification for the nation’s strategic or tactical needs. The original rationale for the war is long forgotten, yet it is now justified as part of a forever, ever-widening “War on Terror.”

Iraq is quite different. Bush, Cheney and their supporters (including the unlamented Tony Blair) labored mightily to link the Saddam Hussein regime and 9/11 in the face of overwhelming evidence demonstrating the antipathy and antagonism between Saddam and al-Qaida. The Bush administration also claimed that Iraq harbored weapons of mass destruction. Iraq had no such weapons; Iraq had neither the capability nor any plan to threaten the United States. U.N. inspections and the American post-invasion searches for WMDs proved fruitless and embarrassing, but apparently not to Bush and Cheney, both long beyond any sense of embarrassment.

Big lies nourish big beliefs. Do we remember the lie peddled by Bush and Cheney that Mohammed Atta, the alleged leader of the bombers, had met with Iraqi intelligence operatives in Prague? Widely read New York Times columnist William Safire, no doubt working with administration-provided “evidence,” repeatedly promoted the charge, giving it widespread currency. No matter that Vaclav Havel, the highly respected Czech president, proclaimed the allegation a pure fabrication, despite his support for the American invasion. Alas! Poor Havel simply did not realize that the lie was a valuable asset for his Washington friends (and the ultimate con man, Ahmed Chalabi), again anxious to provide further “proof” of Saddam as an imminent threat to American security. Yet Congress, most of the nation and the media organs believed and promoted such lies, only at the cost of truth and our historical integrity.

We invaded Iraq more than eight years ago. President Barack Obama announced we were leaving this year, but his secretary of defense, Leon Panetta, is pressing the Iraqi government for a decision as to whether it “wants” us to remain. Are we to believe that we simply will abandon bases costing billions of dollars to build?

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In Cheney’s recent memoir, and in subsequent public appearances, he maintains the validity of the allegations he passionately propagated for the Iraq invasion. Cheney has no regrets, and he insists that all his actions were appropriate. He has no misgivings for the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques,” Cheneyspeak for torture. He certainly knows how to promote a book, telling NBC “there are gonna be heads exploding all over Washington.” Cheney does not make promotional rounds; his journalistic interviewers come to him. But they only feebly challenge his version of events, challenges he contemptuously dismisses to reiterate his twisted, dishonest doings. Jamie Gangel played softball in a “Today” show “exclusive” interview, focusing on the state of Cheney’s health and playing pithy sound bites to discredit such former Cheney colleagues as Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice.

Our intrepid media once again succumb to force majeure. The public is left with only Cheney’s rationale, one that has endured as received wisdom for the Bush administration’s invasion of Iraq in 2003. Truth-speaking can take some time. Self- described “liberal hawk” Bill Keller, who went from being a New York Times op-ed columnist in favor of invasion to the paper’s executive editor shortly after American troops swept into Baghdad, has now conceded his complicity in enhancing the war. He conveniently lists some of his large cast of fellow enablers.

We are ruled by the pitfalls and illusions of a post-factual world. Facts are beside the point; we are left only with the “truth” of opinions.

Remembering the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan alongside 9/11, tacitly justifying those conflicts, perverts our history.


Stanley Kutler is the author of “The Wars of Watergate” and other writings.


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By factfinder, October 19, 2011 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

ardee: you will see no more of my posts addressed to you

factfinder: Promises. Promises. We have been down this road before.

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By ardee, October 19, 2011 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

factfinder, October 19 at 7:16 am

Like most tiny tots, even grown up ones, you are in need of a time out. Your posts are the depth of stupidity, which of course may be a product of your genes and not therefore your fault.

Why you think ignoring the numerous times I have denied your ridiculous assertions, despite the archived proof of such, you demonstrate an absolute refusal to post as an adult.

Go fornicate yourself you will see no more of my posts addressed to you, jackwagon, whichever guise you have abandoned to return in this disgusting form.

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By factfinder, October 19, 2011 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

ardee: Peruse my archived posts

factfinder: I do not wish to wade through the cesspool of your mind. Just answer the question yes or no.

ardee: long history of my being critical of the actions of the Israeli govt and the IDF.

factfinder: that does mean you are not a Zionist. Answer the question. You are hiding because you are embarrassed to be in league with Zionism’s terrorists.

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By ardee, October 19, 2011 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

Odd that one named factfinder seemingly cannot find his ass with both hands in a well lighted room, much less find actual fact.

My answer to your silly and repetitive question has been emphatically answered on several occasions. What you do is nothing more and certainly nothing less than emulate the typical middle school at recess conversations.

Peruse my archived posts, or rather get an actual adult to do it for you, and find a long history of my being critical of the actions of the Israeli govt and the IDF.

Oh, and you are the weakest link here. Are you possibly the return, under a pseudonym, of another such loser who once polluted these pages?

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By factfinder, October 18, 2011 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

ardee, yes or no. Or, are you ashamed to admit your disreputable choice?

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By ardee, October 18, 2011 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment

Poor Dr. Unhealthy just couldnt refrain from demonstrating his garbled garbage vision of his unique world view ( read utterly insane).

And his new butt boy thinks himself far more sophisticated than he really is, if Im boring rectum breath dont read my posts. My oh my did your parents fail you.

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By drbhelthi, October 18, 2011 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

factfinder,  whoever selected a Harley for R.D.`s avatar wanted to appeal to the macho-
type, aggressive-types such as are members of motorcycle gangs.  ardee´s more recent
mouth-pukes represent his core of values.  Intentionally evil and maladaptive, representing
the typical basic values of Zionist-types who suppress the citizenry of Israel - who have
essentially less freedom than in the U.S., in spite of the Patriot Act - and who are socially
gagged if and when they speak out against the policies of their Zionist dictators. 

As I wrote “ardee” last year, his use of a Harley as avatar is an insult to both Harley-
Davidson and the U.S.A.  His more recent use of ad homs reflects the genuine man, a
derelict dictator-type, who tries to suppress socially with his violent words, similarly to
Zionists who suppress the citizenry of Israel.  I wonder how many of the recent protesters in
Israel were thrown into prison, how many were beat to death, and how many “disappeared.”  Such accurate, revealing information would not receive CIA/MOSSAD-controlled media, news coverage, of course.

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By factfinder, October 18, 2011 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

yadda, yadda, yadda.

Ardee, you are becoming boringly repetitive as well as increasingly uninformative and illogical.

One wonders why you avoid a simple yes or no: Yes, you are war-mongering, soul-destroying, disingenuous Zionist or No, you are a sane member of world humanity who disavows invading the land of others to attain their assets.

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By ardee, October 18, 2011 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

factfinder, October 18 at 6:15 am

You are free to believe what you will, or disrupt as much as you can, little child that you so obviously are.

One might think that, as the archives are open to all, proof of my supposed Zionism would be readily available. But, of course, it is not fact that you care about, only a silly little fellow whose every post screams “look at me, look at me”.

Pathetic. really.

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By factfinder, October 18, 2011 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

I will take that as a “Yes” you are a Zionist.

That explains much about your twisted “logic”, your refusal to clearly express your positions, and your resorting to ad hominem fallacies when the emptiness and mean-spiritedness of your posts are pointed out.

FYI: Your use of ad homs is proof of your mean-spiritedness and negativity.

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By factfinder, October 18, 2011 at 5:22 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi, there are many Jews in Israel and, of course, elsewhere who do not agree with the Zionist invasion.

Calling someone an anti-Semite because they disagree with the Zionist abuses is nothing but a logical fallacy of ad hominem.

It always amuses me when Zionists refer to Arabs as anti-Semitic because Arabs are Semites according to the definition of Semite. Such an accusation of anti- Semitism clearly demonstrates the defectiveness and emptiness of the Zionist imagination.

Not content with their creeping invasion of Palestine, Zionists are also in the process of a creeping takeover or the English language, at least a redefinition of it, to accommodate their agenda.

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By ardee, October 18, 2011 at 5:14 am Link to this comment

I know that I stated I would make no further comment to the two imbecilic pedants I must add one single thought.

If the apparently rather inaptly named factfinder cannot deduce the facts of opinions regarding the state of Israel and its actions against the people of Palestine from my remarks so far then it seems obvious that he/she is an absolute waste of space.

I add, on reflection, that since I commented that the typical Dr. unhealthy post closely resembled a supermarket tabloid he has seemingly toned it down quite a bit….hmmm so it can be done.

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By drbhelthi, October 18, 2011 at 2:55 am Link to this comment

Factfinder, I saw on other threads that AIPAC shills have re-started their old scape-goating tactic.  Several have begun to use the label of anti-semitic on the protests in California and elsewhere.  When challenged, their tactic is to label the challenger as anti-semitic, etc.  From my viewpoint, two facts in this area bear consideration.  Hebrew scholars question the concept of “semites” in our current world, due to miscegenation.  Also, all major candidates for the 2008 POTUS election marched to the AIPAC headquarters in DC and begged support, which signifies the effect of the Israeli block on US elections.  Genuine practitioners of the Jewish belief are abused as sheeple by the Zionists as the current USGov. abuses Americans as sheeple.  I find that genuine practitioners of the Jewish faith very rarely engage in AIPAC shill activity.  While AIPAC shills gouge everwhere possible in an attempt to extend their self-imposed favoritism.

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By factfinder, October 17, 2011 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

ardee, once again you exhibit a foaming-at-the-mouth mentality. You are now fulminating against two people without presenting anything constructive (or even rational). 

If my “grow up” advice was too difficult for you, here’s another, more manageable bit of advice - seek professional psychiatric help. It might just be that with a Valium prescription, your rants might cease and you might come to resemble a rational being.

By the way, are you or are you not a Zionist? Do you support the Zionist creeping takeover of Palestinian lands at the expense of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian lives? Yes or No.

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By drbhelthi, October 17, 2011 at 6:29 am Link to this comment

“ardee, it is your silly comments and those of drbhelthi that are turning this
topic into nonsense.”  factfinder

Some good points, factfinder. 
I readily admit, it a waste of effort for me to repeatedly counter a shill.

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By ardee, October 17, 2011 at 5:59 am Link to this comment

Mind your own business. Self appointed monitors are sanctimonious little asses. You are free to skip the comments by the by.

My point , one you miss as you miss the need to shut the fork up about other folks , was that the unworthy “doctor” is TD’s version of the supermarket tabloid. He called me a “Zionist” and I insisted that he find any proof whatsoever of that statement.

You appear to be a rather self involved little egocentric rectum with your insistence upon telling others what they are, all the while proving only what you, yourself are.

Dont you have Middle School homework to attend to? I now leave the field to you as there are actually important things being discussed, apparently you cannot understand or participate in those.

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By factfinder, October 16, 2011 at 6:54 am Link to this comment

ardee, it is your silly comments and those of drbhelthi that are turning this topic into nonsense.

I know that you are in love with your ability to exercise your ego by but by now you should be attempting to exercise your thinking abilities and make comments on point instead presenting the schoolyard exhibition of 8-year olds shouting at each other that the two of you are engaging in now.

Again,to put it in words that you will understand - grow up!

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By ardee, October 16, 2011 at 5:28 am Link to this comment

factfinder, October 15 at 12:58 pm

Mind your own business. Self appointed monitors are sanctimonious little asses. You are free to skip the comments by the by.

drbhelthi, October 15 at 12:44 pm

Do you seriously believe that your refusal to back your claim of my supposed “Zionist leanings” goes unnoticed?

Put up or shut up. Oh please make it shut up!

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By factfinder, October 15, 2011 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment
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ardee and drbhelthi, do you two think that the two of you could play nicely together and post something substantial instead of the “did not-did too” routine you’ve got going here. It’s getting old fast.

In other words, grow up.

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By drbhelthi, October 15, 2011 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment

” - - include your listening to the chorus of voices in your head.” ardee

One might conclude that your repetitions reflect the chorus of voices in your
head.  Redundantly sophomoric, typical of a defensive, misguided shill.

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By ardee, October 15, 2011 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

drbhelthi, October 15 at 8:29 am

I understand the futility of continuing to converse with one so deranged but the point I rise to is your imbecilic tarring of me as a “Zionist”. I once again request some proof of this pronouncement, one that doesn’t include your listening to the chorus of voices in your head.

My record of posting here is an open book, so find one single statement of mine that corroborates your crap…...

I repeat:

But truth and reality have never meant very much to you, now have they? You live, sad to say, inside your own head and in a world of your own creation, one in which everything and everyone is an enemy or a plot.

How macabre your world view, how absurd your contributions here.

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By drbhelthi, October 15, 2011 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

How macabre your world view, how absurd your contributions here.  ardee

Neat description of your posts prior to two months ago.  Nice improvement over your ill-
mental health posts of prior to two months ago.  Now, only about 50% fall into this
category.

However, your ignorance of what continues to happen to the USA and the western world,
since just prior to the end of WWII, is pathetic.  Genuinely pathetic.  As are your
sophomoric comments about me.  Which comments reflect the diversity of a shill.

Perhaps you haven´t noticed the macabre status of the U.S.A. and the western world,
and the acceleration of destruction done by the Bush/Obama entourage - - .

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By ardee, October 15, 2011 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi, September 11 at 11:35 am

As I have stated before I rarely read one of your rants, believing them the equivalent of one of those absurd supermarket tabloids, and about as truthful.

The word “Harley” caught my eye and I read the sentence prior to understanding that it came from an unfortunate I believe to be either a great satirist who refuses the serious discussions we attempt herein or a very disturbed person in desperate need of a mental health professional.

If, as you state, I am a “Zionist” it should be rather easy to extract from my numerous efforts on this forum actual proof supporting your stupid declaration. But, of course, you cannot do so as I have never once evinced support for the policies and actions of Israel, in fact, the sane among us understand that I have been a vehement and constant critic of those actions and policies.

But truth and reality have never meant very much to you, now have they? You live, sad to say, inside your own head and in a world of your own creation, one in which everything and everyone is an enemy or a plot.

How macabre your world view, how absurd your contributions here.

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By STEPHEN HERSCHEL, September 27, 2011 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Sirs,I am very intrested in what you say but the Text comes to my computer as an almost unreadable mountain of sentances stacked upon each other with out spaceing.Is this somehing I can fix at my end doing something other than Magnifying the Letters?Has anyone else voiced this complaint?Thanks….Stephen

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By drbhelthi, September 11, 2011 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

“Rather than deal with the impossible to prove fabricated nonsense of
some folks I would stick with my opinions formed by hard facts, as best
as I can discern them.”  Inheret The Wind

The opinions you present indicate that your discernment needs a tune-up.
Thus far, your opinions reveal no hard facts, but only your opinions
that reinforce your previous opinions. All absent of verified facts.

That you identified yourself with “ardee” clarifies any questions that
may have existed about your common goal, shilling for your bosses, via
insulting verbiage, and distracting from factual information.

It is a shame that “ardee” misuses the picture of a Harley as avatar.
I have found no evidence that either Harley or Davidson were Zionists.

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By drbhelthi, September 11, 2011 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

One notices that the shills have increased the intensity of their kill-
the-messenger attacks. It began about the time that former general David
Patraeus began to give orders to his underlings in the CIA, prior to the
news of his formal appointment.  The shills are now easier to identify,
using name-calling to scape-goat bloggers of accurate and truthful info. 

General at the time, Petraeus was assigned to replace general McChristal
in the handling of the cover-up of the assassination of Corporal Pat
Tillman.  Tillman was murdered from close-up by a 3-round burst to the
forehead, a 3-inch pattern.  General Petraeus massaged the situation in
a manner that maintained the subversive goals of the USARMY, which were
handed down by the George Bush Junior administration. No doubt, some
respectable USARMY officers and NCOs still cry in their sleep at night
about it. In addition to Pat Tillman´s parents.

Using shill activity on Truthdig as a yardstick, it appears that Mr.
Petraeus will use the C.I.A. to massage truth and accuracy so that it
fulfills the goal revealed by the C.I.A. chief in 1981.  “We’ll know our
disinformation program is complete when everything the American public
elieves is false.”—William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff
meeting, 1981, recorded by the investigative journalist, Mrs. Mae
Brussell.)

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By MK Ultra, September 11, 2011 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

The US is in ME to say.  Till the Empire falls that is.  The US has never invaded a country with the intention of leaving.  Look at Japan, for example, almost a century later and they’re still in there, occupying under the guise of a “military base” the new politically-correct term of Colonialism and occupation.

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By factfinder, September 11, 2011 at 5:25 am Link to this comment

It is an annual surprise to me that Americans have not figured out that the so-called 9/11 incidents are only examples of the consequences of the war(s) that the U.S. has perpetrated on the world. It is unrealistic for the U.S. to kill, traumatize, dislocate, and otherwise interfere in the lives of millions of people around the world and not expect a reaction in kind, which is what the 9/11 incidents were.

When the U.S. population gets around to appreciating that the  9/11 incidents were consequences of their country’s meddling in the lives of others and that the traumas of 9/11 are only a tiny fraction of  the traumas suffered by many hundreds of thousands of victims of U.S. hubris and greed, then action might be taken to make their country a cooperative, peaceful, and interactive piece of the global mosaic.

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By drbhelthi, September 10, 2011 at 1:15 am Link to this comment

Interesting.
The “Bait and Switch” pattern has been historically used by dishonest politicians running for
political office.  An excellent example is the pre-election campaign of “H.B.Obama” vs his post election performance.

This pattern is now utilized by certain shills on Truthdig, as they attempt to churn out “fill in”
information for the numerous lacunae in the official 9-11 fabrication.  Impossible cell-phone calls from non-existent airplanes, violation of building codes in construction of the “twin towers,” rearranging the laws of physics to enable burning kerosene to melt 4-inch thick, cold-steel girders, the invisible Boeing 757 crashing nose-first into the ground at 500mph near Shanksville, Penn, AFTER it was blown to pieces by an F-16 at about 20,000 feet altitude.

Carefully omitted from the discussion is the three months´ free residency of the Israeli “student group” in the upper levels of the towers, prior to the demolition date.  The tons of materials that were delivered to them were not inspected by WTC security ?  Why not?

A major bait and switch was conducted by Israeli agents, under Ben-Gurion. The 24 megawatt nuclear reactor French officials sent to him in 1956 required AEC inspection upon being put into operation, about 1961.  In spite of concessions made by U.S.President John F. Kennedy to Ben-Gurion,  a bogus control center, complete with fake control panels and computer-lined gauges, was constructed one level above the real one at Dimona, removing the possibility that the true intention of Dimona would be discovered by inspectors.  No inspector spoke Hebrew, which overjoyed Ben-Gurion agents.  (The Secret History of the MOSSAD, pp 92-93.) Israeli Zionist bait-and-switch has enable them to consume the Western World.

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By phreedom, September 8, 2011 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Part 1

Thanks Stanley,

Though it was toss up, whether to comment on Noam
Chomsky’s assertion, “That Washington was bent on
fulfilling bin Laden’s fervent wishes…”, relative
to what is now well known to have been the
republican’s intentions to use 9/11 attacks to
launch a world wide political and economic plan that
would allow them to remain in power indefinitely,,,
In Noam Chomsky’s case, why can’t enlightenment,
unwavering sincerity and genuine concern for the
common person’s welfare be recalcitrant? Or on the
“reverse remembrances”, listed in Robert Scheer’s
piece,  relative to how the misrepresentation of the
9/11 attacks had demolished our culture and other
innocents,, “nations were invaded, trillions of
dollars were wasted, hundreds of thousands of
civilian and military lives were lost, torture became
acceptable and the public has come to tolerate a
daily governmental assault on privacy as normal”. Or
to comment on your piece Stanley, “We fashionably
compress our commemorations of 9/11 events into a
neat triangle to include the Afghanistan and Iraq
wars. But in accepting this, we terribly distort our
history, for any link between 9/11, the present
Afghanistan War and the Iraq War is patently false”..

I suppose I get frozen in the middle of the 3, on one
side Chomsky was able to come out of the gate with
the correct answer,, that the republicans and/or
right wing would use the 9/11 attacks as an
opportunity to implement, on a grand scale, their
designs for our culture and the world,,,, to bankrupt
generations of any conventional means of resistance
to a right wing republican, prolonged and
unchallenged reign.  On the other side, all the
journalistic effort, after the fact,  to constantly
remind us of the lies and distortions the republicans
have used to secure power, by manipulating politics
and economic policy. And yet on another side, the
description of the “simulacrum” by you Stanley,,, a
copy that does not represent the reality of the
original or the truth, and this copy is intentionally
distorted to make the viewer or understander believe
it is the original. Once action is taken in the name
of a “simulacrum”, and later entered into the
history books, it does not matter anymore that it was
just some made up reason/event, a copy that had no
original basis, because from there on out future
action will be considered in its’ name.

Rhuen Phreed, 231 Park Drive, Boston, Ma

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By phreedom, September 8, 2011 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

Part 2

I suppose what I am saying is, are we going to be
satisfied with the good, compelling and inescapable
reasons to have a revolution or are we going to be
satisfied with actually having one. I suppose Noam
Chomsky’s response to MR Fish, a while back,
“Covering conventions isn’t dissident journalism.
That’s playing a role in creating illusions about how
the political system functions”,, is expressing my
view that knowing how grotesque our leaders have
behaved to the detriment of their own society, and
humanity in general really does not seem to matter
anymore.  We went way past the Watergate threshold,
“that the truth will set us free, and put others in
prison, on the run or in the least ousted”. 

People, the republicans have bankrupted, by design,
all the conventional means to resist their madness,
and left the Democrats spineless.  But you know, from
what I have read, a revolution against this level of
societal repression, this depth of human deprivation,
this extreme absence of cultural cohesiveness, well, 
such a revolution to remedy these ills cannot be
enacted conventionally, since that would imply the
bad guys would see it coming, understand it, even
agree with it, because convention always speaks the
language of the oppressors. 

The republicans got us all, “playing a role in
creating illusions about how our society functions”,
At this level political and economic impropriety we
should all be dissidents,, not democrats, not
liberals, not progressives, those are the roles the
republicans are having us play.

So then, these days, what is appropriate to consider
is that, “The simulacrum is never what hides the
truth—it is the truth that hides the fact that
there is none. The simulacrum is true.”

Just because there is no objective reality, does not
mean we need to subjective ourselves to this grand
republican and/or right wing simulacrum, a reality
made up with false premises and lies. We have allowed
the simulacrum of a bankrupt, fearful and under siege
culture to become all too true.

Rhuen Phreed, 231 Park Drive, #40, Boston, Ma

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By blogdog, September 8, 2011 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

recommended lecture here:

From the Fifth Edition of 9/11 Synthetic Terror: The 46 Exercises and Drills of 9/11
stream from here - http://tarpley.net/

Webster G. Tarpley on Guns & Butter - download here -
http://tarpley.net/audio/getfile.php?f=20110907-WGT_on_GB.mp3

September 07, 2011

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By Gabriel, September 8, 2011 at 9:59 am Link to this comment

@ christian
There’s only one thing on this planet or anywhere that will do such a thing in same way as WTC towers ... professionally controlled demolitions by nefarious groups I mentioned. They are an integral part of this thing and can’t be left out, like it or not.
This is blatantly supported by all news and individuals at the time.

Story changed only after nefarious groups called news media to refute their reporting. Furthermore it includes certain sections of CIA, NSA, FBI, ATF, FEMA, Secret Service and rest of them.

If you watch and listen closely to news video you can see choppers go past WTC towers. As each passes a series of explosions can be seen and heard.

Next closest thing to that would be sound waves at particular frequencies. But they would have affected surrounding buildings in similar manner, it would take longer [to much longer] and with uneven and most likely unexpected results.

BTW: many military have spoken about planes not having anyone in them and being radio controlled for the job. This is confirmed as 16 of supposed 19 hijackers are still alive and well in their countries of origin, mainly Saudi Arabia.
They also speak of people that were supposedly on the planes which have been either eliminated or relocated under cloak of secrecy.

There was plenty of time to switch planes in mid air and force original planes to land without notice. Transponders going off and back on, or staying off confirms this as well.
BTW: all 6 transponders were found by FBI, 2 per plane.

Dust and fragments off pentagon personnel confirmed that no plane ever hit it. It was a US military cruise missile. Pentagon security video blatantly shows a US military carrier plane delivering such a cruise missile.

The whole thing was setup to keep the people in fear, at war and to steal their money and property. Another words give the powerful Elites much more power.

If Americans had the balls, as is their Right according to Declaration of Independence and Constitution, to stand up to their Ayn Rand type leadership and groups mentioned this would be front page news and many idiots from nefarious groups mentioned would be in jail for war crimes and Treason.

Fact: Now we know that most Americans are a bunch of dumbed down pussies that would rather play democrat and republican games, watch sports, listen to their leaders as if it’s all truth and sit on their couches instead of doing the right thing.
Rest of this world found this out right from time Kennedy and ML King got assassinated, Middle East wars started, Katrina happened, housing bubble, net-neutrality and many more. All this while 70 plus Million are homeless in USA as jobs went to China and Orient.
By time you wake up 90% of you will be homeless and 70% dieing of starvation.

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By Project Mayhem, September 8, 2011 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie,
You’re right, of course. Sometimes I can’t help myself, though. It’s fun vis-a-vis these goofy little theories to take the piss now and then.

ITW,
There you go asking inconvenient questions again. Why do you always have to ruin the fun? You might be onto something with those disruptor beams, though…

At any rate, the accumulated wisdom of the (non-schizophrenic) posters in this blog has been illuminating. It is sad to have witnessed the way in which a largely preventable national trauma has been exploited to facilitate illegal wars, torture, profiteering/greedmongering of all stripes, and the steady erosion of democracy here and abroad. Doubtless many a future historian will make a name for himself studying the significance of this event in relation to the accelerated decline (demise?) of the America.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 8, 2011 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

And the name of that mysterious cruiser was…?

What’s also amazing is that one of the most prominent Conservative commentators, Barbara Olson, died on the plane that didn’t exist and didn’t crash into the Pentagon.  She called her husband, Ted Olson, Bush’s Solicitor-General from that non-existent plane.

You know what? I’m not going any further with this. I find all these far-fetched theories of plots to be less believable than a Romulan or Klingon disruptor beam.

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By Anarcissie, September 8, 2011 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

It’s hopeless to argue with True Believers, whether they are 9/11 Truthers, Birthers, Creationists or Flat-Earth theorists, beyond giving them an account of the facts from time to time, along with the suggestion that they employ some critical thinking.  A few may come around but usually whatever the belief is is connected with deep emotional needs.  One of them, I think, is the need to believe in something, in the midst of the constant lying of the government, the media, and our other lords and masters.  There is not much argument can do to help.

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By Project Mayhem, September 8, 2011 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

ITW,

You’re forgetting, I think, to factor in the tell-all, post-deathbed confession of Josef Mengele’s aide-de-camp in which he reveals that the cruiser from which the Tomahawk launched was crewed entirely by Otto Skorzeny clones whose creation was authorized by George Scherff/GHW Bush during his years running the SS-dienst/CIA/Mossad entity. Your oversight in this regard is as disingenuous as it is appalling, Sir. When will you stop shilling for the Operation Paperclip overlords and become a disciple of the truth? For shame, ITW, for shame.

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ardee, September 7 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

Rather than deal with the impossible to prove fabricated nonsense of some folks I would stick with my opinions formed by hard facts, as best as I can discern them.

I believe that nineteen men hijacked three airliners and commited the subsequent acts we remember ( hardly celebrate) in a few days time. I believe that this was a crime, thus the pervue of law enforcement, both American and international.

I believe that , after 9/11, many nations, including some who are now our avowed enemies, expressed sympathy and solidarity. I recall a candlelight march in Tehran in fact, expressing sympathy. I further believe that George W. Bush and his psychopathic Vice President ( opinion) used that crime as an excuse to further their vision of a “unitary executive”, thus destroying the solidarity we could have built upon.

Since 9/11 the so-called War on Terror has been an excuse to profit enormously from the murders of three thousand souls. Our intelligence agencies have grown geometrically and I doubt that any of us is capable of understanding the extent to which this is true. The MIC has enjoyed enormous benefits from proselytizing endless war against bronze age peoples, most of whom are innocents.

I believe this so-called war has taken on a life of its own, and it will continue destroy and murder until an educated and dedicated public rises up and insists that it stop.
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While this poster and I personally detest each other ad nauseum so nobody thinks we’re pals (my disclaimer), I wholeheartedly and 100% support the ideas and analyses in this post, and in his later posts.

Compare this to the notion that a cadre of Us Navy officers and seamen will obey an order to fire a cruise missile while off the US coast, clearly aimed toward the interior of their nation, to a designated longitude and latitude that is BLATANTLY the capital region (77deg west, 39deg north), and, when taken down to seconds of arc (each second of arc is 101 feet) clearly the Pentagon, their very own HQ and central command center.  They would know that the command was both treason and mutiny.

I’ve never met or heard of any soldier, sailor or airman, or officer, who would obey such an order.  I find it difficult to believe that any has existed since the Civil War.

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By christian96, September 8, 2011 at 4:50 am Link to this comment

Gabriel—-Please explain in common everyday language
“What happened to the twin towers on 9/11?” You can
leave out your illusions about the illuminatti,
zionists, red, white, black races, etc.  What happened to the twin towers to make them crumble
to the ground?

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By Gabriel, September 8, 2011 at 4:05 am Link to this comment

@ ardee

ROFL ... “Thus the burning of a full tank of aviation fuel was scientifically capable of doing exactly what happened.”

You’re kidding right?

You own a bike, inside the cylinder, runs at 2,200 to 4,800 deg F, depending on compression ratio and gas type. This is much hotter than kerosene / jet fuel. By time it hits your exhaust pipe it cools to 900 to 1,600 deg F ... hot enough to melt “high grade steel” / your exhaust pipe. Yet it doesn’t and your exhaust pipe doesn’t bend to drag on ground.

Why? Because your exhaust pipe is in open air, silly.


Do a test:
- take 5 gallon pail of kerosene and put it through a blow torch to heat up 8” x 5 ft. I beam
- put the I beam in wise at one end [horizontally] to see if it droops during test
- heat it up to our heats content from 4 or more inches away
- even put a 100 lb weight on end
What you will find is it won’t droop at all.

The only way you’re going to bent it at all is if you use a cutting torch in access of 2,800 deg F and after multiple minutes from about 4 inches or less. Realize that “less” part.

Result: it is impossible for kerosene to melt steel of high grade as was used in WTC.

Your theory doesn’t answer why fires lasted for months after WTC towers came down. Why molten metal was seen and recorded by firefighters days after. Both are impossible under such kerosene fire conditions of a plane hitting WTC.

1. weight from dust and debris would snuff out any normal fire
2. with air getting into basement part after collapse any normal fire would burn out within a day
3. steel doesn’t keep melting after a short time.

And you call yourself a biker? HA!
If you go to any bike shop and try your drivel they will laugh you right out of there.

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By PatrickHenry, September 8, 2011 at 2:58 am Link to this comment

ardee,

Put up or shut up.

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By ardee, September 8, 2011 at 2:38 am Link to this comment

PatrickHenry, September 7 at 6:44 pm

What can one say to the monumental ignorance displayed by your response…

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By Gabriel, September 7, 2011 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

Thank You everyone, just goes to show who knows what they’re talking about and who doesn’t.
Thank you for the links as well, especially drbhelthi smile

9/11/2001 goes way beyond what is commonly known. As this event was planned months and actually years beforehand to achieve such a “Holly Wood” Magic presentation.

Besides well publicized connections to Bush family, Rumsfeld, Saudi families, Port Authority, Main Stream Media, US Military, Larry Silverstein and Fire department’s “pull it” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100 there are much more nefarious organizations whom had their hands in it.

Independent Investigators have found whole hierarchy of Industrial Military Complex and related corporations,
whole upper Masonic-Templar-Illuminati leadership,
whole Jewish Merchant Upper Class including the Israel lobby, Zionists and related organizations,
most upper leadership of compromised Evangelists, Jesuits, Christian and Roman Catholic organizations, Satanists & Luciferians,
were and still are at fault.

Their main centers are based in Washington DC, inner city of London England, Vatican, Forbidden City in China and Jerusalem Israel.
Nothing and I mean Absolutely NOTHING that large happens unless they say so.
They use blood sacrifice in their rituals as they have for 1,000’s of years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZiAV6fU2NM

9/11, wars, executions, assassinations, false imprisonment, starving people out, lies, hiding the truth, poisoning, etc. are all designed to strike fear in people to lower their level of mentality and [literally] vibration. Each one of us operates on a frequency of Earth. Life is not possible without it.

As this frequency increases “naturally” people become much smarter, more intuitive, see past our limited field of vision, become happier and much stronger. The elites can’t have that as they would totally loose power over the dumb and stupid people of Earth. This frequency of Earth, our Solar system and Galaxy has increased from 7.1 Hz to 13 Hz ... and is still rising.

It is said 4 types of races hold the key to all knowledge and truth, the 4 elements.
Black - caretakers of Water and all it’s wisdom
Yellow - caretakers of air and all it’s wisdom
Red [North & South Americans] - Earth and it’s stewardship and wisdom
White - caretakers of fire [the most dangerous in the wrong hands] as we can plainly see today with the advent of explosion type industry

When all of them come together as One they create the 5th element called Ether. At this time men and women and all life of Earth have the opportunity to become much more than ever imagined. This is why the White race is so scared of loosing power, and is creating every possible way to dumb down the population.

“Ether” is the main thing that connects us to our Universe and everything in it. In a manner of speaking, to The Creator, not the God/Lord spoken of in bible [the deceiver] ... whom is only one of many deceivers / fallen angels. You must read ALL the records from everywhere so you can see the full truth, do your own experiments to validate it and learn from it. Anything short of this and you’re dumb, a sheep for the slaughter.

History tells us Each one of us is a product of those fallen angels and to rise above it we must learn and accept the truth of original writings and knowledge. To learn more watch TRUE UNKNOWN HISTORY Series, it’s 52 parts that are well worth it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGxyZhcUqAg&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL6C6E2C44B77B0FD8

Enjoy smile

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By PatrickHenry, September 7, 2011 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

ardee,

I looked for the article which you mentioned long ago, it doesn’t exist.

As a mechanical contractor you learn that architectural features are not the same as structural ones or even mechanical or electrical ones.

All architectural firms I know of subcontract the structural, mechanical and electrical aspects of building to engineering firms qualified and licensed to do so.

Architectural Digest is also owned by Sam Newhouse, a zionist propagandist of the first order.

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By Anarcissie, September 7, 2011 at 6:41 pm Link to this comment

madisolation—People seem to like death and destruction.  I’ve made up various theories about it but they’re merely speculation.

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By ardee, September 7, 2011 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

expat, September 7 at 10:59

I edited your citing for an accurate rendition thereof…you are welcome.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities” —Voltaire

heavyrunner, September 7 at 6:50 am

A short few months after 9/11, and in response to the growing conspiracy theories and the poor physics being bandied about, the Architectural Digest, a rather highly respected journal of the craft, published an article detailing the flaws in the structure of those towers that led to the “pancaking effect” that brought them down.

The towers were actually in violation of NYC building codes but received an exemption because it was built on Port Authority land, true that. I ate several times at ‘Windows ..’ and remember clearly how that tower was constructed, for maximum openness and a very spacious feel. Thus the burning of a full tank of aviation fuel was scientifically capable of doing exactly what happened.

I hope that the Digest will reprint this informative explanation on this, the tenth anniversary of the event.

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By sophrosyne, September 7, 2011 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment
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Ever wonder why the USA doing what is not in their interest to do?  Look behind the power curtains and see the noxious linkage between israeli interests, big oil and the national security state.  Sad but we have lost control of our shadow government and voters are left with the illusion they still make a difference in DC.

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By christian96, September 7, 2011 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

We need a holiday commemorating all the women,
children, and old people killed in Iraq.  I haven’t
figured out a title for this holiday.  Perhaps,
“National Oil Money Day.”

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By Nick Campbell, September 7, 2011 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment
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I feel it necessary to indicate who modern terrorism was invented by. In WWII, attacking non military targets as well as indiscriminately attacking women and children, the U.S. NUKED Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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By Gary, September 7, 2011 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment
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THORNBURG REPORT


Does President Bush get a pass on his Cut & Run policy ?
Panel Report on 60 Minutes

2-2-1972-Subject:  Flight Qualifications specifically Bath & Bush .

5-4-1972 -Subject: Annual Flight Examination, order to take physical .

5-19-1972-Subject: Discussion with 1st Lt. Bush, phone call from Bush talked about his getting            
            his flight physical. 

8-1-1972-Subject: Bush suspension of flight status recommendation that we fill this
            critical billet with a more seasoned pilot from a list of qualified Vietnam pilots
        that have rotated .

  9-5-72-Subject: Suspension from flying status, retroactive to 8-1-72. Reason - failure to accomplish medical examination signed - Col.Bobby W. Hodges.

  9-29-72-Subject: Officer will comply with paragraph 2-10, AFM 35-13, authority: Para 2-29m,  AFM 35-13.

8-18-73-Subject: Memo; Retired Gen. Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges about Lt. Bush
  rating, Gen Staudt is pushing to sugar coat it..     

  1-6-73-Subject: Lt. Bush’s dental examination;  looks like Lt. Bush had time to take his dental examination but not time to take his flight physical!

Why no board of inquiry and no court martial???

Did Lt. Bush run the Texas National Guard ?????
 
On 9-28-04 On the O’Reilly program Bill ask Pres. Bush about his NG service and Pres. Bush said and I quote “ I did exactly what my commanders told me to do “

What about his physical ????

I have all of the exhibits from the Thornburg Report to substantiate the above and a copy of the tape of the O’Reilly program.

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By drbhelthi, September 7, 2011 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

Fanatical irrationality on the other hand can unmake us all.  Marion Griffith

Right.  Like yours.
But then, you are paid to shill out irrational propaganda.
However, the irrationality you repeat, represents only the shills that post on Truthdig, and a
few naive folk who are less-well informed. 

Many insiders and former insiders choose to strengthen truth and accuracy, and not the
propaganda of destructionists behind 9-11 and the fraudulent “war on terror”.  Inflicting
genocide on Muslim types who were hired by the GHWBushSr entourage in the 1970s to
behave as patsies, reflects the evil of Hitler-types. It does not reflect the good will of
Americans who helped stop Hitler-types in Europe in WWII. Double-crossed by his NAZI
compadres, the last body-guard of Adolf Hitler tells it all in a pre-death bed confession.
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

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By mrfreeze, September 7, 2011 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

I wrote this on the other story about 9/11 and I’ll stick by my words:

“Please forgive me for being so blunt, but since 9/11 I’ve lost a lot of loved-ones (e.g. my parents, my uncle, my cousin, my mother-in-law and a number of friends and acquaintances) and I’m tired of all the 9/11 stories.

My loved-ones deserve to be memorialized too, but apparently there was no “story” worth the Media’s time to cover their lives. I could say they were “heroes” (my father and Uncel were WWII Veterans, my cousin a Vietnam Veteran (etc.). Why is it so important for us to know about those killed in 9/11? What makes the Media think it makes 9/11 MORE important?

9/11 has become like XMAS to me: An over-sold, uber-annoyance that one simply can’t get away from in the U.S.. I’m surprised it hasn’t been turned into a national “holiday” so yet another cadre of profiteers can make billions of dollars selling trinkets to those who can’t move on.”

And I know a lot of you feel the same way about 9/11. Americans seem to be caught in a “paranoia” vortex around 9/11, a vortex created originally by the sociopaths in the Bush Administration and nurtured by the Media. 9/11 has sucked all the air out of our future because Americans can’t seem to get past it. How can they when they’re beat over the head 24/7 with all the “personal interest stories.”  As I mentioned above, I’ve had plenty of death and tragedy in my own life since 9/11 that, in my selfish little world, trumps any flag waving or apple-pie eating over 9/11….....

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By Textynn, September 7, 2011 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment
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The Bush Administration made themselves rich(er) on
these war.  It was business as usual when they
sought the election of the sociopathic simpleton
and cooked this war up….for profit and power. 
The kind of profit and power these people have
lived their whole lives going after.  It’s as
simple as that.  And if we don’t find a way to make
our elections airtight it will never end. 

Obama should be impeached for the con he did on
America.  It is all the same cabal with the Dems providing the cover and the fellatio. 

Not voting for any of these murdering sociopaths. 
Can’t wait to see what the Dems hired gun, Baucus,
is going to do to our beloved elders. Swine all.

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By christian96, September 7, 2011 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

Never underestimate the disceptions of our military/industrial complex and their puppets’
on Capitol Hill. I have personal connections
with friends in the mountains of West Virginia.
Ben Laden is living there and growing marijuana
on his farm.
Osama Bid Laden did not die.  He was drugged to make
it appear he was dead.  After he was dumped into the
ocean by the Navy he was picked up by the CIA and
brought to America.  He is currently living in the
mountains of West Virginia. He was given 666
American blonde virgins from California to take care of him.  Some of the blondes are males. Bin Laden
goes both ways.  He discovered it in American porn. He receives frequent visits from Obama.  Osama and
Obama read the Koran together and pray towards
Mecca, after they have smoked a couple of joints
together.  There is rumor among the mountain folk
that Obama and Osama have something personal going
on. Only in America!

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By Marian Griffith, September 7, 2011 at 11:55 am Link to this comment
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@heavyrunner
A plane impact, not even of a 747, could sufficiently damage a steel structure like the WTC to make it collapse. The steel columns of a sky scraper are designed to keep tens of thousands of tons (i.e. millions of kg) in the air not only against gravity but also against the wind pressure. Even a hundred tons of airplaine impacting at flight speed will do little more than make the whole structure sway a bit (and it is designed to sway more than a meter at the top for centuries if necessary).
Steel also is much more compact than aluminium. This means that the impact will leave the steel structure relatively unharmed but will shred the airplane wings and body. It certainly will rip the cladding and panelling off the columns, leaving them open to fire, but no way is it going to collapse the tower. Not to mention that should that even happen it would do so right away, not over an hour after the impact.

The second mistake you make is thinking that steel needs to -melt- before it collapses. I do not know if a -contained- kerosene fire can get hot enough for that, but the simple fact is that it does not need to. A simple uncontained wood fire is more than hot enough to cause steel structures to become malleable enough that they collapse under their own weight. Just look at after-fire pictures of ordinary warehouses. You will see a twisted mess of steel girders. Those fires are way cooler than a contained kerosene fire. In fact, steel structures like roofs have a critical temperature of around 700 degrees celsius (that is the temperature that the tensile strength of steel has lowered enough that it starts deforming under the load). This is foor girders and such. Columns like the WTC are under a heavier load and may reach their critical temperature a little earler (550 to 650 degrees celsius depending on the load they are bearing). These temperatures are well within range of an ordinary fire.

The speed and shredding of the airplane will have ensured that the kerosene was spread over the entire floor (several floors in fact) and the heat of the fire was affecting all columns more or less evenly.

Even the vertical collapse is nothing out of the ordinary. This summer a fire got out of control halfway up a dutch radio tower. It burned for a while and then the tower just fell down, pretty much exactly as the twin towers did. Google ‘hoogersmilde radio tower’ for a video if you don’t believe me. No kerosene, government conspiracy or a plane was involved in that. Just an accident, a little carelessness and an environment that was not particularly flammable (unlike the interior of an average office I might add).

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I have to say though, that reading this and other fora, I can understand why Cheney e.a. found it so easy to whip the country into a frenzy to march to the drums of war, and keep right marching.
There is far far too much willingness to believe in the irrational, and much less evidence of a capability of independent thought and ratio. The distrust and hatred for government that speaks from these conspiracy believes is far more frightening than all terrorist threats combined. Terrorism is like the child’s bogeyman and loses its power once you stop let the fear for it rule you. Fanatical irrationality on the other hand can unmake us all.

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By anaman51, September 7, 2011 at 11:42 am Link to this comment

Watching Bush sit there and lie through his teeth was more than I could take. He was a lying bag of shit on 9-11, and nothing has changed. To watch him try to equivocate his way out of responsibility for the resulting disastrous wars would be sickening, and I didn’t care to do that to myself. He is now the poster boy for lousy presidents, eclipsing even Herbert Hoover. He should be taken out behind the barn and whupped with a knotted plowline. I still don’t understand how he is avoiding criminal prosecution by a war crimes court.

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By expat, September 7, 2011 at 10:59 am Link to this comment
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“Those who can make you believe absurdities can and will make you commit atrocities” —Voltaire

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By tony_opmoc, September 7, 2011 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

People should not be blamed for believing the official US Government story of 9/11, because it is the heaviest and most overwhelming piece of propaganda ever perpetrated. It attacks deep within the most basic psychology of humanity with regards to trust, loyalty and Child / Parent relationships where we are all the Child and Authority / Government represents the Parent. Once that relationship is broken The Child has nothing left to cling to as the horror of Betrayal by The Parent is Revealed. I found this personally profoundly shocking, when I was 100% sure that the official story could not be true, because it contradicted the most fundamental laws of physics which I studied at University.

Most people will probably remain in denial, because the Truth is so horrific.

But anyone who thinks they can actually stomach the Truth, 10 years after the event should watch this.

“Architects & Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

Tony

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By Betrayed, September 7, 2011 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

For an excellent related video regarding The International 9/11 Toronto Hearings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1gJPpSu075s

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By Michael Cavlan RN, September 7, 2011 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

Just to add to the chorus.

I am a Nurse, specializing in Burn/Trauma Intensive Care. I treated some of the victims of the Pentagon attack, a week after the attacks.

On the 10th Anniversary I will be speaking at a rally at the Capitol Building in St Paul. Also speaking will be Jim Fetzer, Kevin Barrett and a local professor at St Thomas University.

My topic will be the attempts to suppress and silence those of us who have had the moral and political courage and integrity to ask the question. What really happened that day.

Who is Amy Goodman? I don’t know. Every time she comes on my local progressive radio or Link TV show, I turn her off.

As an aside, Minnesota US Senator Amy Klobuchar was live on MPR radio. Someone called in and asked her about Building Seven. It was heard clearly but Senator Klobuchar pretended to not hear the question, that the line was bad.

I will clarify for her about the question. I am running for US Senate in Minnesota.This shall be fun.

Oh and I BET that Amy Goodman will have Senator Klobuchar on her show at some point.

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By balkas, September 7, 2011 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

there is no proof that 9-11 had been aided/prepared by any
country; thus, a terrorist attack by any individual or collection
of individuals cannot constitute cause for war[inhere casus
belli].

the arbitrary ‘principle’ that a country can punish millions of
people of another country or countries [afpak/iraq/palestina]
on mere suspicion that such countries prepare and carry out
acts of terror against the west, leads to wholesale individuo-
govt terror all over the globe. 

it shld be noted that france, italy, u.k, russia, u.s have not
deemed assassinition of archduke ferdinand as a casus belli;
and rightfully so!!

and neither shld have austro-hungarian empire, turkey, and
germany.
what caused the axis powers to attack serbia was not the
sarajevo terror act itself, but the fact that serbia refused to
also allow AH agents to be in on the hunt for the suspected
organization of the terror; namely, the oldest [according to
some] terror org in europe, the BLACK HAND;  which serbia, it
appears, allowed to function completely or partially and not
only in serbia, but also in bosnia, kosovo, macedonia, and
croatia.

had the allies allowed a very simple act of allowing also AH
agents to be in on the hunt for suspected organizers of
sarajevo and other terror perped by black hand, ww1 wld have
been either prevented or the matter may have taken some
other course. more cld be said.tnx

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By grumpynyker, September 7, 2011 at 8:37 am Link to this comment
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I’m treating September 11th as the most successful false flag operation since the Reichstag fire.  The World Trade Center is a CRIME SCENE, JUST LIKE THE LORRAINE MOTEL,AUDOBON BALLROOM, AND DEALEY PLAZA.

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By thecrow, September 7, 2011 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

International Hearings on the Events of September 11, 2001

Ryerson University, Toronto, September 8 - 11

Is TruthDig serious about “truth”, justice and peace? Do its journalists have the stones to cover this? We shall see.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/testify/

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By GoyToy, September 7, 2011 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

On 9-11 we could mourn the Iraqis we killed, not one of whom did us any harm.

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By heavyrunner, September 7, 2011 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

I guess it is the product of generations of Americans who did not receive proper educations in science that the evidence that contradicts the official story could be available and seen on video hundreds of times without it dawning on people that something is wrong with what we were and are being told happened that day ten years ago.

Asymmetrical airplane impacts could not possibly cause symmetrical building collapses. Jet fuel burning in air can’t get hot enough to melt steel. These are immutable facts of physics. Apparently ignorance rules the minds of enough of the American people that they believe anything they are told.

Sad, because the American military has killed a lot of people after using the unexplained events of 9/11 to unleash a holocaust against Muslim people.

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By madisolation, September 7, 2011 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie—-Wow. What an excellent post:

“‘Never forget’ and you can go on killing people and sounding off for ten years.”

“I was there, I saw the attacks, I knew thousands of people were being killed, and I knew how the event would be used.  I wish I could forget.  But my regrets are nothing compared to the enjoyments and celebrations of my fellow citizens.”

Why is it in the human psyche that even now responds to unprincipled officials when they call for destruction and death? Why do they give their undying trust to elected people they don’t even know and who have proven how untrustworthy they really are?
I notice how little pushback there was when Obama started his Libyan War. It was illegal to go to war without consulting the people (Congress), and yet no is angry at Obama for going to war or at Congress for allowing Obama free reign to declare wars any time he wants. Now the precedent is set for future presidents, unless somehow we rid ourselves of immoral presidents and cowardly Congresses.
We live in dangerous times, because our leaders are dangerous.
And I understand how hard it must be to forget or accept and somehow go on when you witnessed it. I’ll bet you don’t want to hear corporate-paid politicians and corporate-paid “journalists” to give their grand and glorious justifications for the tragedy they used to their advantage and from which they have benefitted monetarily. I wish you peace.

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By Anarcissie, September 7, 2011 at 5:19 am Link to this comment

madisolation—The problem is, people evidently enjoy death and disaster as long as it doesn’t happen to them directly.  The site of the World Trade Center became a major tourist attraction within hours of the attacks, and has remained one ever since.  The celebration included not only tourists with gigantic cameras, but vendors selling hats, T shirts, photographs, plaques, and bumper stickers.  Preachers descended upon the scene to give everyone God’s opinion.  Artists ran up cheesy impressionistic paintings and sold them as fast as they could.  Scams abounded.  It was a circus.

Any disaster is also an occasion for flights of sentimentality, sententiousness and sanctimony—staples of public discourse in the U.S. and expected of all politicians, who are usually glad to supply it in full measure.

When the disaster is also an excuse for war, that is, killing people, the attraction is evidently irresistible.  ‘Never forget’ and you can go on killing people and sounding off for ten years.

I was there, I saw the attacks, I knew thousands of people were being killed, and I knew how the event would be used.  I wish I could forget.  But my regrets are nothing compared to the enjoyments and celebrations of my fellow citizens.

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By madisolation, September 7, 2011 at 4:55 am Link to this comment

I refuse to participate in the narcissistic pity party that comes around every September 11th. There is no reason to do so, unless you like being inundated with government war propaganda on an annual basis.
The truth is, no one grieves for ten years. If one is still grieving for the victims a decade later, one should get psychiatric help. Life is too short.
I will not be a part of the Bush/Cheney PNAC assault on the citizens of their own country. Of course, they were a part of the planned destruction. It was all just too damn convenient, especially when one considers the PNAC crazies had previously said they needed another “Pearl Harbor” to get the American people to support war. Especially when they’d set up the machinery to spy on us before 9/11. Especially considering they went into a well-rehearsed, good/evil propaganda mode immediately after the destruction. They weren’t smart enough to do that spontaneously. Especially considering they were warned over and over at the highest levels. Their response showed that plans were in place, and they immediately whipped up the population until they, in their fear, screamed for war. Even the date—9/11, a number than means “emergency”—was planned.
The sociopaths gained control and killed U.S. citizens for Empire and greed. I wouldn’t buy a used car from Cheney. Why would I accept that perpetrator’s version of what happened on 9/11? He should be on trial and answer some in-depth questions about the events surrounding that day.
9/11: shut off your t.v., go outside, and enjoy the day.

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By ardee, September 7, 2011 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

Rather than deal with the impossible to prove fabricated nonsense of some folks I would stick with my opinions formed by hard facts, as best as I can discern them.

I believe that nineteen men hijacked three airliners and commited the subsequent acts we remember ( hardly celebrate) in a few days time. I believe that this was a crime, thus the pervue of law enforcement, both American and international.

I believe that , after 9/11, many nations, including some who are now our avowed enemies, expressed sympathy and solidarity. I recall a candlelight march in Tehran in fact, expressing sympathy. I further believe that George W. Bush and his psychopathic Vice President ( opinion) used that crime as an excuse to further their vision of a “unitary executive”, thus destroying the solidarity we could have built upon.

Since 9/11 the so-called War on Terror has been an excuse to profit enormously from the murders of three thousand souls. Our intelligence agencies have grown geometrically and I doubt that any of us is capable of understanding the extent to which this is true. The MIC has enjoyed enormous benefits from proselytizing endless war against bronze age peoples, most of whom are innocents.

I believe this so-called war has taken on a life of its own, and it will continue destroy and murder until an educated and dedicated public rises up and insists that it stop.

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By drbhelthi, September 7, 2011 at 2:05 am Link to this comment

How very accurate !

The hole made in the pentagon by the Tomahawk-Cruise missile, fired from a
USNAVY vessel off the coast, is not very impressive.

Much more impressive is how the GHWBushSr entourage could create a crash
of an airliner into the pentagon, only in the minds of Americans.  An airliner
crash that failed to deposit the tons of aluminum and steel wreckage, blood
and guts and baggage of passengers on the pentagon and adjoining grounds.
A fire from exploded fuel, similar to that in the Twin Towers, would also have
occurred.      “Americans will believe anything we tell them - - . . .”

Continued by the carefully selected C.I.A. asset of British heritage, born in Kenya.
People of color were fooled in 2008. 
Not the people who knew the history.
The history since 2008 is available for all to review, if they can turn off their fantasy.

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