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How Little We Know About the Origins of 9/11

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Posted on Sep 8, 2011
AP / Brennan Linsley

An unidentified detainee peers out from his cell inside the Camp Delta detention facility at Guantanamo Bay in 2006.

By Robert Scheer

For a decade, the main questions about 9/11 have gone unanswered while the alleged perpetrators who survived the attacks have never been publicly cross-examined as to their methods and motives. It is not conspiratorial but rather obviously plausible to suggest that they have been kept out of sight because legal due process, constitutionally guaranteed to even the most heinous of criminals, might provide information that our government would find embarrassing.

We remain in ignorance as to what drove religious zealots formerly allied with the United States to turn against us, and what was the role of our ally, Saudi Arabia, the country of origin for most of the hijackers and their financing. Why in the aftermath of the attack did the United States embrace Pakistan, which was one of only three governments (Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were the others) to diplomatically recognize the Taliban and which turned out to be harboring the fugitive Osama bin Laden? And why did we instead invade Iraq, a nation known to be engaged in a deadly war with bin Laden and his al-Qaida?

How little we know about the origins of the Sept. 11 attacks is laid out in the disclaimer on Page 146 of the official 9/11 presidential commission report. A box on that page states clearly that the conventional narrative of how those portentous events unfolded is based largely on the interrogation under torture of key witnesses who have never been permitted a single moment in a publicly observed court of law. 

As the bipartisan commissioners ruefully conceded, their examination of the motives, financing and actions of the alleged 9/11 perpetrators had to “rely heavily on information from captured al Qaeda members” that the commissioners, despite having been granted the highest security clearance, were never allowed to seriously vet:

“We submitted questions for use in the interrogations but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting. We were told that our requests might disrupt the sensitive interrogation process.”

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That sensitive interrogation process included the waterboarding of the key witnesses, led by alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was scheduled to go on public, civilian trial in Manhattan last spring, until the Obama administration caved in to hysterical Republican-led pressure and called off the trial. 

The fear of a public trial is apparently that it will be an occasion to humanize the presumed perpetrators of barbaric acts, but by that standard no alleged murderer should ever be tried in civilian court. The counterargument is that we as a society have, from the drafting of our Constitution, been committed to due process of law. But an even more compelling objection to the present secrecy flows not from the inalienable rights of the accused to justice but rather from the need to fully inform the public as to the dangers faced by our society.

Major policy developments, including two undeclared wars, were conducted in the name of defeating the perpetrators of 9/11 without the public being made aware of the relevant facts. Surely a public trial would have revealed, to the deep embarrassment of the Bush administration, that there was no connection between the 9/11 hijackers and the government of Iraq that the United States overthrew.

At the very least, such testimony would have shed light on the cozy relationship between the U.S. government and the key leaders of al-Qaida, particularly the American-educated Mohammed, recruited by the CIA to join the fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan. It certainly could also have proved embarrassing to former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who, during the Bush administration, opposed public trials and managed last March to get President Barack Obama to reverse his pledge of civilian trials. Gates boasted in his 1996 memoir of his long history of working with Islamic fundamentalists in Afghanistan, dating to his days in the Carter administration. As his book publisher bragged at the time, Gates exposed “Carter’s never-before revealed covert support to Afghan mujahedeen—six months before the Soviets invaded.”

Of course 9/11 changed everything; nations were invaded, trillions of dollars were wasted, hundreds of thousands of civilian and military lives were lost, torture became acceptable and the public has come to tolerate a daily governmental assault on privacy as normal. But for all of the high drama and cost of the U.S. response, when it comes to understanding the forces behind the attack, we still do not know what we are talking about.

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By Clash, September 10, 2011 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

Well as not to offend, it might be possible to speculate an alternate close to Osama’s supposed state sanctioned,extra legal assignation, as adequate proof of his death is not readily available. It would be just as easy to believe he died of liver failure and was transported to his family in Arabia, or just kick’n back
at the place in Crawford, sippin cocktails with his friends.

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By blogdog, September 10, 2011 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

RE: Pilgrim’s “...conspiracy everywhere…paranoid neurosis…”

using this sort of language in a political polemic is cruel - if your intent is to
discredit the positions of those with whom you disagree, then make your case -
blanket, gratuitous, ad hominems of this sort show extraordinary insensitivity to
those who genuinely suffer from debilitating mental illness

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By D.R. Zing, September 10, 2011 at 8:16 am Link to this comment

now see
I’m reminded
of the great
Nicolas Cage
masterpiece
Con Air

during which
a jetliner
landed in the middle of the church parking lot
otherwise known as
the Las Vegas strip

now see
as any engineer knows
jet plane wings are made of the heaviest steel
and
to boot
iron rods run through their center
which were put there
by God
to confuse mankind as to how such a fossil
could fly

this being the case
the Con Air plane
sliced through downtown Las Vegas
whacking facades off buildings
knocking down power lines and telephone polls

now see
everyone knows this is true
and enjoyed it immensely
as indeed we all realized the talent and discretion
of Mr. Cage much eclipses his talentless
and impudent
Uncle Coppola

now of course
being what they are
morose Debbie Downers
a few engineers, scientists and general
jerks
who can read

put forth the absurd proposition
that jet planes
are really
just
aluminum cans
—glorified beer cans if you will—
filled with compressed air
and saturated with
gelatinous kerosene
  —or something like it—

and
if you smash them into downtown Las Vegas
holy as it is
with all its gaping bilateral holiness
and lovely prehensile tails
the will of God simply will not withstand
  —or perhaps it will
    if you believe in Einstein’s God—

at any rate
these jerks
these downers
these intellectual a-holes
said
no
a plane crashing into downtown
would quickly disintegrate into a million pieces
while bursting
into a molten fireball
at the same time

God how I hate them!

of course they’re wrong
Nicolas Cage
towering intellectual that he is
the man who has never seen a bad script
(as long as it’s attached to a good pay check)
got it right

planes are made of heavy steel and iron
their gasoline burns at the temperature of a match

it is a conspiracy, the result of A Confederacy of Dunces, that Con Air
is not heralded
as the greatest movie of all time
the greatest work of art of all time

and anyone who doesn’t believe me
well
you’re all nincompoops

may you burn in hell doing 69
(or is it 96?)
with Francis Ford Coppola

so there! 

I’m the smartest tranny to ever whiz in a sink! 

nah-nah-nah-nah-nah!

9-10-2011. D.R. Zing, Contemplating the Gene Pool

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By Billy Pilgrim, September 10, 2011 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

The contempt that I feel for the obviously insane
drbcrazy and bdh is mitigated by my feelings of pity
for these deluded souls who see conspiracy everywhere
and use their sense of intellectual superiority as a
wall to hide their paranoid neurosis. My profane rant
was in reaction to the childish displays of faux
scientific expertise by said individuals who spend
their pitiful lives glued to their laptops like a
childish adolescent waiting to download the next
installment of Jersey Shore. The anti-semitic rants
are the cherry topping their specious arguments. You
give our military and intelligence communities way
too much credit for competence than be reasonably
justified by the evidence.

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By blogdog, September 10, 2011 at 8:02 am Link to this comment

“...The total takeover of Congress and the MSM by the Military-Industrial-Security
Complex, and the dismantling of any lasting vestiges of the American Republic
and Constitution.”

true, but what American’s have suffered from 9/11 is virtually nothing compared
to the seemingly endless suffering of millions across the Middle East, as the
Global War OF Terror rolls on

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By surfnow, September 10, 2011 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

Forget who was behind the single event of 9-11, all that anyone needs to know about is the result: The total takeover of Congress and the MSM by the Military-Industrial-Security Complex, and the dismantling of any lasting vestiges of the American Republic and Constitution.  For anyone to believe that this could have been perpetrated w/o having been intended by the ruling class through years of planning is absurdity.Don’t muddy the waters with idiotic theories from physics professors about the dynamics of airplanes crashing into buildings. All that does is bolster the Right’s insistence that all who question are conspiracy kooks.

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By Gabriel, September 10, 2011 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

@EmileZ

“You can take that Masonic & outright Satanic message packed video and shove it. Go watch Zeitgeist if you don’t get it.” by 7 yr old girl.

I say: go to http://www.hollywoodinsiders.net and learn before you get yourself into trouble for promoting Satanism to kids.
BTW: that’s an automatic 10 yrs in jail.

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By christian96, September 10, 2011 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

It isn’t the British we have to drive into the sea.
It’s Satan we have to cast back into the bottomless
pit.
Iran wouldn’t have to worry about being bombed if
they would keep their big mouth shut.  Their short
guy President likes to try to act tough.  We have
to be concerned about “short” guys. They are loaded
with inferiority complexes and spend their lives
trying to “act” tough to compensate for those
inferiority complexes.

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By EmileZ, September 10, 2011 at 5:28 am Link to this comment

@ Gabriel

I am not altogether certain how I should respond so I am posting this link to a cool video instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5K_w9Tbhoc

“The Mollusk” by Ween

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By Gabriel, September 10, 2011 at 3:28 am Link to this comment

@EmileZ

I’ll let the kids answer:
“You teach them, show them, help them, same as any good community would. Society is judged by how well it takes care of their poor and destitute. You show them love and compassion or they go to the other side.”

My say:
America was built on take take take and give nothing back, and that’s why it’s become the military capitol of Earth bent on destruction of anything it touches.

It tried to become Just by Deceleration of Independence and “We the People”, but as usual the greedy British took over by covet means and it’s been destructive and outright evil since.

Only solution is to send the British and their fiat/fraud/Usury system back into the sea, where they came from.

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By drbhelthi, September 10, 2011 at 2:41 am Link to this comment

Carefully omitted from the discussion is the three months´ free
residency of the Israeli “student group” in the upper levels of the towers, prior to the demolition date.  The tons of materials that were delivered to them were not inspected by WTC security ? 
Why not?

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By prosefights, September 9, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

Trouble ahead if Iran’s nuclear facilites are bombed?

Here is some history.

http://www.prosefights.org/thecanadian/speccoll.htm

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By prosefights, September 9, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

Trouble ahead if Iran’s nuclear facilites are bombed?

Here is some history.

http://www.prosefights.org/thecanadian/speccoll.htm

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By prosefights, September 9, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

Trouble ahead if Iran’s nuclear facilites are bombed?

Here is some history.

http://www.prosefights.org/thecanadian/speccoll.htm

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By CanDoJack, September 9, 2011 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

As we get closer to determining who will be the GOP
candidate we may see that even what is known about the
9-11 involvement will disappear even what cult the
primary suspect would belong to.

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By EmileZ, September 9, 2011 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

@Gabriel

How do think those initiated into the ways of KISS should deal with all the others who have their heads up their asses and are wasting space on the planet???

Does the order of KISS have any strategy for dealing with this subhuman scum???

A final solution if you will.

C’mon, admit it!!!

You’re a genius!!!

It is nothing to be ashamed of.

I hope I’m not complicating things.

I wouldn’t wan’t to be one of THOSE people.

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By Jon Carlson, September 9, 2011 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment
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The Nazis in the White House Story: Part 28
The FBI Almost Stopped 9/11
http://www.hoaxofthecentury.com/FBIAlmostStopped9111.htm

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By Gabriel, September 9, 2011 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

@EmileZ

FYI, I’m not some genius who’s spent their whole life probing into every facet of the universe. What I have learned is from experience over decades of hard work, gleaned from those who know and can actually prove it, by using simple precess of investigation as any detective would and putting the pieces together.
My grand kids are much smarter and correct me often. At least I’m willing to listen and learn ... not like some closed minded dummies on here.
It amounts to common sense and doing some basic research.
I assure you anyone can do it as soon as they get their heads out of their ass. smile

As the saying goes: use the KISS rule ... keep it simple stupid.
Look at each step and use basic tools you were given, mainly your brain, and what you see and experience around you. Then put it all together.

If you can’t do that simple process then you’re wasting space on this planet. raspberry

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By christian96, September 9, 2011 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

The Bible says the borrower is slave to the lender.
Credit card companies have a lot of slaves.  America
is slave to China.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 9, 2011 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

EmileZ:
Thanks for trying. I’m sure those items can be easily added to the scenario.

Remember: I’m trying to hypothesize just how this conspiracy worked and how they PLANNED the pieces together, or rather how they MUST have if the conspiracy folks are correct. I’m trying to recreate their planning.

Nobody’s commenting much on the scenario of how this planning actually happened,and I think the reason why is obvious.

But maybe not.

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By tolstoy, September 9, 2011 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

Conspiracy is tricky—we don’t want to be too simplistic, driven on by loathing for Bush, Cheney, et al.

This wiki site is highly worthwhile to examine the conspiracy theories in this thread. It’s calm, rational, and looks at the evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

Here’s a key fact not needing more investigation—certain people knew about the attacks ahead of time and manipulated stock values. Bin Laden? He was smart enough, but the problem with that is it’s not clear he was the mastermind vs. being an admirer of what happened. The Israeli theory won’t hold up, according to the above analysis.

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By Bill Jones, September 9, 2011 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment
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The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this…Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah…Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes…And hangover or not, they manage to give the world’s most sophisticated air defense system the slip…Unphased by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely…Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two… and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically – through their own mass – at free-fall speed, for the first time in history. Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground… only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI Meanwhile down in Washington…Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing…Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little…Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world’s most heavily defended building……all without a single shot being fired…. or ruining the nicely mowed lawn… and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video……Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania…So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later…And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants… except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana……Further south in Florida…President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class full of primary school children… shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger…In New York…Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously…While back in Washington, **** Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the ‘New Pearl Harbor’ catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination…And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in lamestream media reports and if you don’t believe this, you are a conspiracy theorist.

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By tolstoy, September 9, 2011 at 7:25 pm Link to this comment
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For a clear look at the conspiracy theories, many mentioned here in these responses—try:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

The wiki does a good job with its analysis. We ought to strive for facts. That somebody knew about the attacks ahead of time and took advantage via stock manipulations with the airlines involved is a case in point on what is not clear. This action could point to Bin Laden as the manipulator, and it does seem he was bright enough. But it’s also not clear that Bin Laden WAS the mastermind of the attacks, versus merely an admirer of what happened. As to Israel behind it, the above site examines this idea and indicates the evidence is not convincing.

Wishful thinking, anger, and revenge also factor heavily into conspiracy theorizing. We would really love to believe Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney et al were behind it because they are loathed as right wing autocractic fascist types, but we also need to be cautious with over-simplifications.

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By EmileZ, September 9, 2011 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

@ Gabriel

Sounds a bit dogmatic to me, but then again I am just a mere human and not an enlightened superman.

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By Gabriel, September 9, 2011 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

There are 1,000’s of websites that paint a much bigger and sinister picture of the deception that goes on, and has been going on for 10’s of 1,000’s of years. Here are but a few:
http://rabbithole2.com/presentation/research.htm
http://tragedyandhope.com
http://www.sacred-texts.com

The deceiver’s main tool is the “pyramid scheme” with the added feature of compartmentalization. This is the way monarchy, religion, governments, business, corporations, military and rest of secretive societies are run.

Those that are at the bottom are the suckers, the sheep, the slaves, the dummies, the tools ... for they can not comprehend something they can not see. They may hear bits and pieces through a locked door but can’t figure out the whole.

Those who are smarter and inquisitive take these bits and pieces and share them to get a bigger story. Smarter ones yet, go outside to the office trash and get more pieces or infiltrate and spread the news. Eventually coming up with most of the story.

Once the lower level finds out they been had, conned and abused they spread it among themselves and prepare to take down the whole pyramid scheme. That’s when we find out who’s who, as we did here. The higher-ups start to get scared and spread misinformation ... also getting those that are still dumb to do their work for them.

Eventually this pyramid system falls apart and starts feeding on it’s self, as it always does when the elites scramble to hide from the educated masses. We are at such a time now. The European empire is crumpling and those who run it are scared, very scared.

When the population figures out Monarchy and ALL elites are actually their servants and not their masters there can only be one outcome. The elites are found out, their amassed things redistributed and elites are disposed of. This is the one main Golden rule history teaches us.

Results:
- never let someone govern over you unless they are your servant by choice ... as all service based industries are, including government and business.

- never let them hide anything from you or anyone .. their whole lives and everything must be an open book for everyone.

- never let them gain power over you or anyone .. learn and retain your Universal and Natural Rights

- make sure they stay as servants for as long as they serve

- never ever let money take over your life

- if you didn’t sign up for a Law [sign a contract] then it doesn’t apply to you

- you are not bound by your parents signing you up for a birth certificate bond since YOU didn’t sign it ... it’s the biggest fraud the elites like to slap you with

The following goes especially to those deniers on TD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JENWiSr3GkA

If you are going to grow up then start by looking in your own skeleton closet, dealing with your garbage and then and only then come back to converse with everyone who has already learned.

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By EmileZ, September 9, 2011 at 4:18 pm Link to this comment

@ Inherit The Wind

I can’t build a complete scenario, but between 6 and 7 you forgot….

a)We invaded Afghanistan for no good reason.

b) There were goofy Anthrax letters mailed to government officials and news anchors. The source of the Anthrax was later traced to a U.S. lab and the incident was forgotten shortly after.

c) Certain CIA analysts came up with a aluminum tube/meeting in Europe theory that Saddam was developing nuclear weapons.

d) Colin Powell made a bogus speech at the U.N.

e) We put together a coalition of the willing.

A whole lot of people seem to be willing to accept points B through E as a farce. There is also Cheney’s secret energy commision meeting and such.

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By blogdog, September 9, 2011 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...items that are claimed by the conspiracy side such as:

the ‘official’ conspiracy side, that is

1) It was an attack by Al Qaeda.
2) The planes blew up the WTC.
3) A plane struck the Pentagon.

keep it simple - just 3 - proof please

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By gerard, September 9, 2011 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

...and the prize for Spoofdigger of the Week goes to ... Inherit the Wind!

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By EmileZ, September 9, 2011 at 3:28 pm Link to this comment

@ Lafayette

There is no proof that would stand up in court that al-Qaeda is responsible for September 11th much less so for Bin Laden.

Before we invaded Afghanistan. The Afghan government offered to give up al-Qaeda if they would be tried in an impartial country. We refused and invaded and bombed and occupied and tortured etc.

The official story is a conspiracy theory as well is it not???

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By Inherit The Wind, September 9, 2011 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

OK, Only Lafayette ACTUALLY commented.

I took the conspiracy theory as given and laid out how, such a conspiracy would have had to have worked.

Go ahead. Rip it apart. Show me and everyone here how I have NOT addressed the items that are claimed by the conspiracy side such as:

1) It wasn’t an attack by Al Qaeda but was a black box job.
2) The planed didn’t blow up the WTC but there were demolition charges planted.
3) No plane struck the Pentagon, but a cruise missile fired from a UN Navy ship did.
4) The plane that didn’t crash into the Pentagon STILL disappeared, killing the VERY prominent wife of the US Solicitor General.
5) The plane aimed at the White House disappeared.
6) Blame was pointed at Al Qaeda, based in Afghanistan.
7) We therefore attacked Iraq.

OK, I missed WTC 7 but in this scenario, it’s easy to insert.

Of course this scenario requires thousands of people to do highly unusual things in unusual ways.

So…tell me what’s wrong with the scenario.  Build a better one THAT IS COMPLETE!

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By blogdog, September 9, 2011 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

RE: ”...the work of a bunch Very Lucky Yemenites who hijacked four planes and
crashed them. Proof please.”

you go first

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By Michael Cavlan RN, September 9, 2011 at 2:09 pm Link to this comment

Now this may not be as credible a source as say TruthDig but


As you all know, I am one of the speakers at the Capitol.

I already had a message for the FBI in my speech. I will most
definitely us it now.

I am not afraid, quite the opposite in fact. How about you all?

Michael


Source Twin Cities Indy Media

FBI Minnesota Requesting Information on All Upcoming Special Events Before September 11, 2011
Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 09/06/2011 - 07:07

The highly informative site PublicIntelligence.net, which posts many ‘sensitive’ government documents, has posted an alert apparently originated from Minneapolis FBI looking for info on all events related in any way to Sept 11 2011—so this could be another fine point to add in future FOIA requests.

The file is, as of Sept 6 6AM, still posted at http://www.msfca.org/assets/September11/Special_Event_RFI.pdf

Demands for the government to do something about criminal banks went unanswered as the pretend war on terror rolled on…

Original URL: http://publicintelligence.net/ufouo-fbi-minnesota-requesting-information-on-all-upcoming-special-events-before-september-11-2011/

Additionally, despite what MnJAC/BCA posted here, “FOUO” is a meaningless phrase in Minnesota state law, and it speaks to their basically corrupt approach that they pretend it’s “real”.

********

Request for Information

The FBI – Minneapolis Field Office is requesting assistance in compiling a list of all known special events planned throughout the state between the dates of September 6-12, 2011, to include but not limited to events in regards to the tenth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Information regarding memorials, rallies, celebrations and other public or private events that will attract a large crowd within your jurisdiction would be appreciated, September 11 related or otherwise.

Useful information would include, if possible:

•Event Type (parade, local festival, memorial..)
•Event Title
•Event Date
•Event Address
•Event POC with contact information (phone or email)

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By ControlledDemolition, September 9, 2011 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

PS.  Mr. Scheer obviously is referring to court testimony of the alleged Islamic terrorists, but if he really wants testimony, he should inquire also into the many reports from police, firefights, citizens, et.al., who “heard many explosions” going off before planes even hit the Towers.

Some of the debunkers in this list are ignorant, no doubt, while any CIA-shill “web-personality-managers” are accessories after the fact to mass murder and treason.

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By Leefeller, September 9, 2011 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

If one believes they know the truth and an other does not know or believe it to be the truth, why is this not different than religion?

Of course there was a conspiracy, but to what extent and the who is clearly not known.  Arabs, Zionist, Chaney, Military Industrial Complex. Some seem in their made up minds to believe they know the who. The why seems apparent to me, but I know this is only my speculations. 

All I see is a frenzied hanging mob who wants to hang something on their own government for reasons I may even agree with, but refuse to buy.

It is all energy wasted on a fantasy for this is history’s way of repeating itself.

Pearl Harbor, The grassy knoll,  Remember the Main, Remember the Alamo, the list goes on,  western society is a barrel full of death and destruction, 911 is only a small pimple on the ass of history.  What happened on 911 may change the world for a time but if the truth is to be known, I doubt it will be by the ranting imbecilic postings here on TD!

Clash my sentiments also;

“The madness, stupidity, and the voracious appetite of the omnivorous vermin known as homosapien does not falter, and those who pull the strings can always depend on the stupidity of the species to follow blindly. Who did it? Meaningless.”

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By Lafayette, September 9, 2011 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment

MACHINATIONS

<i><cpb: I don’t think people trying to get to the bottom of a serious crime amounts to the type of behavior you are insinuating in a crass attempt to denigrate others. /i>

Farting in a blog with long lists of “supposed factual evidence” is NOT proof of anything except a vivid imagination and an Internet connection.

Insinuations have been made thet 9/11 was NOT the work of a bunch Very Lucky Yemenites who hijacked four planes and crashed them.

Proof please. Not insinuations of a “cover up”. Proof that will stand up in courts. Let’s see some internal documentation that Federal agents were somehow involved.

If you are so damn sure of what you “think” happened, then put some hard proof up on the Internet, preferably from a foreign country where the FBI can’t get at it.

Otherwise, boys, put your imaginations to a well-deserved rest. There are things happening in this world that are far more important than the supposed machinations of the CIA, MI5, the French DGSE and the Russian SVR.

MY POINT

If Americans are the victims of any scheming, it has been by the inbred, domestic plutocracy that has unfair prevalence over our political system.

But that device is not hidden. It is out there before our very eyes and comes up every two years at election time.

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By blogdog, September 9, 2011 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment

RE: “...Condoleeza Rice said, “Gosh, we could have never anticipated terrorists
using commercial planes to attack buildings”

look at the 46 drills listed - the exact scenario was drilled several times - it was
being drilled Sept. 11, 2001

conclusion: the operation was practiced and conduited through drills

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By bobbylon, September 9, 2011 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

For me the fact that 9/11 was an inside job came when Condoleeza Rice said, “Gosh, we could have never anticipated terrorists using commercial planes to attack buildings”

Bull: The August 6th (2001) Presidential Daily Briefing that said: Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.

Plus Project Bojinka: the plot uncovered with Ramzi Yousef’s arrest where the plan was to hijack and blow up 14 planes leaving Asian destinations for America.

Even if the U.S. wasn’t complicit, Bush should have been impeached for incompetence in not taking these threats seriously.

But obviously, we reward failure in this country and accountability is like gravity, it only flows downhill.

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By bobbylon, September 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

I added an avatar with a funny joke about the “science” behind planes hitting skyscrapers. It’s probably not visible enough to see but the gist is:

Two Physics professors are standing before a blackboard. One of them has mapped out mathematical formulas, followed by “then a miracle happens” and more math formulas.

The prof points to the “miracle happens” section and says, “I think you should be more explicit in step 2”.

Anyone wanting to see it: google 9/11 cartoons + S. Harris. It should be the first cartoon on the upper left column.

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By bobbylon, September 9, 2011 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

If anyone can google or download the song 10 Second Freefall by the reggae group Three Shoes Posse you can hear six minutes of music set to an interview between Alex Jones and BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones. Find out about thermite, controlled demolition and how WTC 7 was “pulled” when it wasn’t hit by any planes.

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By blogdog, September 9, 2011 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

ON 9/11; Drill; Date; Scenario

24   FBI training exercise in Monterey, California for FBI/CIA Anti-Terrorist Task
Force   Through 9/11   Diverts top FBI, CIA anti-terrorist and special
operations agents and heavy equipment away from Boston, NYC, Washington
DC
25   NORAD annual readiness drill, Cheyenne Mountain, CO (Vigilant Guardian) 
9/11   Full ‘battle staff’ levels to test entire organization
26   Vigilant Guardian: NORAD, NEADS, US-Canada   9/11   Live-fly hijacking
and air defense; hijack multiplication, diversion and confusion
27   NORAD/JCS Vigilant Warrior   Through 9/11   Reported by Richard
Clarke
28   Operation Southern Watch   Through 9/11   Diverts 174th Fighter Wing,
New York Air National Guard, to Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia, to impose no-fly
zone over southern Iraq
29   Operation Northern Watch   Through 9/11   Diverts 6 fighters from
Langley AFB sent to Incirlik AFB, Turkey to impose no-fly zone over northern
Iraq
30   Operation Northern Vigilance   Through 9/11   Diverts fighters, 350
personnel to Alaska and northern Canada to counter a Russian bomber drill
31   Operation Northern Guardian, Keflavik AFB, Iceland   Through 9/11  
Diverts fighters from Langley Air Force Base (Virginia) deployed to Keflavik AFB,
Iceland to counter a Russian bomber drill
32   Red Flag, Nellis AFB, Nevada: 100 pilots   9/11   Diverts most F-15s of
71st Fighter Squadron, Langley AFB, VA; DC ANG’s 121st Fighter Squadron of
Andrews Air Force Base also depleted.
33   Andrews AFB local drill   9/11   Diverts 3 F-16s to North Carolina
34   National Reconnaissance Office drill, Chantilly, Virginia   9/11  
Simulated plane crash into high-rise government building; satellite imaging
(WTC attack)
35   Tripod II, New York City   9/11   Response to biochemical attack; run
from backup command center at Pier 92, Hudson River.
36   Fort Meyer VAEducation Centertraining drill for local firemen   9/11  
Assembled and indoctrinated Pentagon first responders.
37   Timely Alert II, Fort Monmouth, New Jersey   9/11   Indoctrination of WTC
first responders.
38   World Trade Center Emergency Drill, Fiduciary Trust Co., 97th floor, South
Tower   9/11   Meeting called to assemble and silence unreliable outside
contractors?
39   Global Guardian, STRATCOM: Offutt AFB, Nebraska; Barksdale AFB,
Louisiana; Minot AFB, North Dakota; Whiteman AFB, Missouri.  9/11   Nuclear
warfighting; Armageddon. (deterrence of Russia and China during invasion of
Afghanistan and Pakistan)
40   Amalgam Warrior   9/11   Large live-fly air defense and air intercept,
tracking, and surveillance drill; air defense against foreign retaliation.
41   Crown Vigilance, Air Combat Command   9/11   No details known.
42   Apollo Guardian, US Space Command   9/11   No details known.
43   AWACS drill, ordered by NORAD commander Gen. Larry Arnold   9/11  
Two AWACS aircraft from Tinker AFB, Oklahoma sent over Washington DC and
Florida; surveillance of capital and president during coup.
44   Global Guardian Computer Network Attack   9/11   Enemy forces “war
dialed” STRATCOM’s telephone and fax systems; “bad insider” has access to key
C³ system (missile launch option)
45   STRATCOM Strategic Advisory Committee, Offutt AFB, Nebraska; Andrews
AFB, MD; Wright-Patterson AFB, Dayton, Ohio.  9/11   Three E-4B National
Airborne Operations Center planes (Doomsday or Looking Glass) airborne;
passengers include Brent Scowcroft; Warren Buffet at Offutt. (Committee. of
Public Safety option?)

IN ADVANCED PREPARATION ON 9/11; Drill; Date; Scenario

46   Amalgam Virgo ‘02   Scheduled for June 2002   Air defense, interception,
surveillance, and pursuit drill; Delta 757 with real Delta pilots, actors as
passengers, FBI as hijackers – deviated from Salt Lake City to Hawaii; Canadian
police to hijack DC-9 near Vancouver BC

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By cpb, September 9, 2011 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

@ Lafayette

“This blog abounds with Conspiracy Theorists who drool
at the prospect that somehow, darkly, the US is the
source of all the devilish ills that befall this
planet.”

Hmmmnn..  Normally you come across with more profundity
there Laf.  I have to admit to some surprise frankly.

I don’t think people trying to get to the bottom of a
serious crime amounts to the type of behavior you are
insinuating in a crass attempt to denigrate others.

Aside from the fact that full planetary dominance and
evil is not the discussion point here; but given that
the idea of ‘US as the sole superpower’ is just a PC way
of describing empire, one with tentacles that do in fact
extend all over the globe, one that behaves as most
empires have always behaved, you are putting one and one
together and ridiculing anyone who calls out 2.

A few other posters have already pointed out that those
that believe the official version of events have been
shown to be in the minority.  So you are denigrating an
awful lot of people, including families of victims,
first responders, organized groups of architects,
engineers, airline pilots, scientists the world over as
well as professionals and academics of all stripes who
have called for ‘truth’ on this issue.

Accusing such a crowd of drooling into their tin foil
hats is a pretty telling indictment of the accuser, and
denigrating the same crowd, by extension, is making
light of an issue which has brought wars and death to
countless thousands across the world.

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By blogdog, September 9, 2011 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

RE: Time to grow up, children ... tally ho! - absolutely, there are no
conspiracies other than those deemed ‘official’ by TPTB -  no secret plans other
than what you see exposed on TV news and read in the Times - got that little
lambie pies, now say your prayers and go to bed. The adults will work it all out
far from your sweet little dreams. Besides, who could imagine such a horrible
then. But even if, it’s all covered, it’s all been drilled so many times:


PRE-9/11 PREPARATION AND DEVELOPMENT Drill; Date; Scenario

1   NORAD   Between 1991 and 2001   Foreign hijacked airliner crashing into
famous US building
2   White House, Richard Clarke   1998   Terrorists load Lear Jet with
explosive, attack Washington DC
3   NORAD   1999-2001   Hijacked aircraft hit many targets, including WTC,
MASCAL
4   Able Danger: DIA, US-SOCOM, LIWA   Dec. 1999-2001   Manipulate al
Qaeda; data mining (patsy control)
5   Stratus Ivy: DIA   Dec. 1999-2001 (?)  Operate on patsies “out of the
box” (patsy control)
6   Door Hop Galley: DIA (?)  Dec. 1999-2001 (?)  Still secret (patsy
control?)
7   Proactive Pre-emptive Operations Group (P2OG)  unknown   “Stimulating
reactions” of terrorists (patsy control)
8   NORAD (NEADS) Exercises: UN HQ, NYC   October 16, 2000   Terrorist crashes
Federal Express plane into UN HQ NYC
9   NORAD (NEADS) Exercises: UN HQ NYC   October 23, 2000   Terrorist crashes
FedEx plane with WMD into UN HQ NYC
10   Pentagon MASCAL exercise   Oct. 24-28, 2000   Commercial aircraft hits
Pentagon, MASCAL
11   FAA drill   December, 2000   Scenario: a chartered flight out of Ohio that had
turned its transponder off
12   Positive Force ’01: NORAD plus a dozen agencies; worldwide   April 17-26,
2001   COG; attacks on transportation; one scenario: terrorist group hijacking
commercial airliner and flying it into Pentagon (Pentagon attack)
13   Unified Vision ’01: US JFCOM; US CENTCOM; US SOCOM: 40 agencies  
May 7-24, 2001   Invasion of Afghanistan and Pakistan (prepared Operation
Enduring Freedom)
14   Red Ex (Recognition, Evaluation, and Decision-Making Exercise); NYC OEM;
FDNY; NYPD; FEMA; FBI   May 11, 2001   Plane crashes and building
collapses in New York City (WTC attack, demolition)
15   Amalgam Virgo ’01: US-Canada multi-agency drill; NORAD; SEADS; Coast
Guard, Army, Navy   June 1-2, 2001   UAV drone launched from rogue
freighter in Gulf of Mexico or cruise missile from barge in Atlantic Ocean; Joint
Based Expeditionary Connectivity Center (JBECC) mobile radar command center
tested. (Pentagon attack)
16   Mall Strike 2001, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania (near Shanksville);
600 local first responders and emergency managers   June 16, 2001   Toxic
chemical agent and the simulated release of radiation and radiological
contamination; (indoctrination of first responders).
17   FAA Drill: FBI Miami field office, Miami-Dade County Police Department. 
Summer 2001   Varig airlines Boeing 767 hijacked over Florida
18   Ft. Belvoir, Davison Army Airfield helicopter base MASCAL   June 29, 2001  
Scenario based on plane hitting Pentagon (indoctrination of first responders).
19   US Department of Transportation Hijacking Exercise   August 31, 2001   US
Dept. of Transportation Crisis Management Center drilled hijacks; simulated
cell phone calls.
20   NORAD, NEADS (Vigilant Guardian)  September 6, 2001   Tokyo to
Anchorage flight hijacked by “Mum Hykro” to Vancouver and San Francisco
21   NORAD, NEADS (Vigilant Guardian)  September 6, 2001   Seoul to
Anchorage flight hijacked by “Lin Po” to Seattle
22   NORAD, NEADS (Vigilant Guardian)  September 9, 2001   UK to NYC flight
hijacked, blown up
23   NORAD SEADS NEADS (Vigilant Guardian)  September 10, 2001   Ilyushin
IL-62 from Cuba hijacked by asylum seekers, lands at Dobbins Air Force Base
in Georgia

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By robertsgt40, September 9, 2011 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment
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I’m dumbfounded.  After scanning thru this article I see no mention of the #1 perp.  ISRAEL   Anyone that is sharp enough to figure the official “story” and not dig a little deeper is beyond me.

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By PatrickHenry, September 9, 2011 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

Nonsensedig is another website you guys need to offer your ‘idle banter’ to.

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By carroll price, September 9, 2011 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment
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I stopped reading this article as soon as it reached the point of accepting the official version of 9/11.  I did this for the same reason I stop reading any article that accepts the 6 million myth. Neither of these myths are based on credible information and neither deserve the respect of anyone having the ability to think for themselves.

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By Lafayette, September 9, 2011 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

BOYS WILL BE BOYS

ITW: Got all that?

Well done.

This blog abounds with Conspiracy Theorists who drool at the prospect that somehow, darkly, the US is the source of all the devilish ills that befall this planet.

Even RS has a bent for the bogeyman in Langley.

Time to grow up, children ...

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By Lise McLain, September 9, 2011 at 11:32 am Link to this comment
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Hi!

How about visiting these websites for much more
information on what really happened on September
11, 2001?

http://www.wheredidthetowersgo.com and http://www.drjudywood.com

Thank you!

Lise from Maine

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By Leefeller, September 9, 2011 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

Will the mays please stand up. So this is the mays? Not much different from the coulds the past of can always rivals the mays which have a tad bit more pitchmanitus compared to the coulds. 

I know the truth, for I just know the truth as the factoids they are. Factoids come from me mind to me lips….  It is so it is….  They, (always they) may be planning to do it once again,  so what is one going to do about they bunky?

Trolls are us, just what the doctor ordered, the prescribed word to for differences in what may or could be from what is actual and known.  Yes those damn trolls just hanging around under those bridges waiting to dis the tin foil hat party, destroying sweat soaked brows, conjecturing and guesstimating the trut. What can one say but;... those damn trolls!

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By Inherit The Wind, September 9, 2011 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

I don’t know whether laugh or not over all the nonsense here.

Let’s start the main scenario:
“Ok, boys and girls. Here’s the basic plan.  We got it by reading Tom Clancy’s “Debt of Honor” where a guy crashes a 747 into the Capitol building.

We are going to blow up our own World Trade Center, where trillions of dollars are traded each year. We are going to kill thousands of Americans in the process.

We are going to make it look like Al Qaeda in Afghanistan did it by flying two dumb commercial airplanes full of MORE Americans into the towers.  But since there’s NO way we can actually blow it up that way, we are going to draft the Elevator Mechanics Union and the top building demolition experts to secretly plant charges all over the towers to bring ‘em down.

Meantime, we are going to order a US Navy ship to fire a cruise missile at the Pentagon, claim another plane full of passengers crashed into, and then make that plane and its passengers disappear.  We are going to do this because we can’t get enough idiots to crash more than 2 planes.  Otherwise we’d just have another idiot crash into the Pentagon. So we gotta get a Navy ship and its officers and crew to blast the Pentagon.

Next, we are going to send ANOTHER plane to crash into the White House.  But we can’t let it get anywhere close, so we’re gonna shoot it down and collect and hide all the evidence.

Got all that? 

Now remember: We are ALL going to make it look like it’s Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, and a bit in Pakistan who are behind it.

And we are going to use that attack that came from Afghanistan as the reason we are going to attack ... Iraq.  ”

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By cpb, September 9, 2011 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

The deniers are certainly a determined lot.  Trolls are
so good at throwing out a claim, completely ignoring any
challenge to the claim, and throwing it out again later,
perhaps in another thread.  They have the facts and
everyone else is wasting time or confused or given over
to paranoia!  I have to assume they are trolls, lest my
faith in the common sense of the average person be
diminished.

The extent to which they posit the disintegration
premise to account for the lack of wreckage at
Shanks/Pentacon really makes one wonder.  They will in
the same breath accuse others of spiraling stupidity,
which is hilariously ironic. 

I think the most disturbing thing the trolls are trying
to accomplish here is furthering the idea that the
pursuit of the truth (or for those more comfortable with
the facts and having a minimal level of common sense,
exposing the truth) is somehow a waste of time.

The pursuit of truth is a waste of time?  What have we
come to?  Well it ain’t ‘we’, so don’t worry about that
one - it’s ‘they’, who don’t want you to know, and will
go to any lengths, apparently.

Truth, Justice and The American Way?

Apparently not for trolls.

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By curmudgeon99, September 9, 2011 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

For another take on the current threat - make your day:
http://atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MI10Dj01.html

Post-9/11 America fishes for answers
By Muhammad Cohen

HONG KONG - We live in a post-9/11 world, and my family got multiple reminders of that when we visited the United States recently. New York featured those annoying “If you see something, say something” signs that seem more appropriate for Cuba or China than the world leader in freedom. Perhaps that crown has been passed in the wake of the US Patriot Act.

We became adept at the airport shoe shuffle and belt bugaloo, to the point where our four-year-old daughter got a tad cocky - or in post-9/11 terms, we relaxed required vigilance - and lost her right shoe. I was cast as a post-9/11 Prince Charming, carrying Cinderella’s pink velcro sneaker around the LaGuardia Airport gate area in search of its mate. No evil stepsisters appeared; instead, a friendly female executive frequent flyer found the footwear gone astray and gave it to ground staff.

 
Post-9/11 America fishes for answers
By Muhammad Cohen

HONG KONG - We live in a post-9/11 world, and my family got multiple reminders of that when we visited the United States recently. New York featured those annoying “If you see something, say something” signs that seem more appropriate for Cuba or China than the world leader in freedom. Perhaps that crown has been passed in the wake of the US Patriot Act.

We became adept at the airport shoe shuffle and belt bugaloo, to the point where our four-year-old daughter got a tad cocky - or in post-9/11 terms, we relaxed required vigilance - and lost her right shoe. I was cast as a post-9/11 Prince Charming, carrying Cinderella’s pink velcro sneaker around the LaGuardia Airport gate area in search of its mate. No evil stepsisters appeared; instead, a friendly female executive frequent flyer found the footwear gone


astray and gave it to ground staff.

We almost caused an international incident when we left for home. During our stay, my Indonesian wife renewed her love affair with bagels, while I indulged my craving for pickled herring. Fortunately, good friends graciously let us stay in the ground floor of their Upper West Side townhouse, within convenient striking distance of these delights, plus Riverside Park’s Hippo Playground for our daughter.

When it came time to leave, we thought we’d bring at least a sampling of taste treats home with us. (If we could have swung it, we would have included a few gallons of mango, pineapple and peanut butter [!?!] Italian ices from the Lemon Ice King of Corona.)
Greengrass and high flies
We bought an extra suitcase and double bagged four dozen bagels. That was the easy part. While I appreciate the finer fish in life from the likes of Barney Greengrass, Murray’s Sturgeon, Russ and Daughters, and the place I used to frequent with a Korean friend for pickled lox ends 30 years ago on lower Second Avenue, I was more than content to pack a few jars of supermarket herring for the trans-Pacific voyage. To up the odds of their safe arrival in our checked luggage, we swathed them in paper towels and ziplock bags, and to keep them cold until our baggage reached the stratosphere, put them in our friends’ downstairs freezer.

When we were halfway to our stop in Taipei, I realized I’d left those jars of herring behind in the freezer. I was terrified, not merely at the prospect of repaying their hospitality with a kitchen mess. Fortunately, we were able to get a message to our hosts in time to avert the disaster that might have been reported by post-9/11 media like this:

Manhattan townhouse blast linked to Muslim terror
By Condoleezza Chaney

An explosion that ripped through a townhouse on Manhattan’s affluent Upper West Side has links to radical Islam,....
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By Hulk2008, September 9, 2011 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

Next thing you know, someone will say Tolkien predicted 9/11 and hid his the plot inside his Rings trilogy.

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By Human Soul, September 9, 2011 at 9:57 am Link to this comment
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Bush went to wars with a mountain of lies
OBL fought for a true cause
one may think that both are criminals
One on the run for most his life.
Buhs had a life of a pampered boy one day he wll pass in the most confortable manner and the people will lay all sorts of flowers by his house or tomb
As for OBL no one knows where his body is
Compairing the two man which one is most evil by statistics.
Still 911 true investigation is yet to come sometimes in the future when US citizens pick a true patriotic president who have the courage to call a dog, dog

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By Leefeller, September 9, 2011 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

Zinging along

Empty minds of the insane
Spouting so much which inane

Believe as I believe for it is to be
What I say is true, because it is to me

Conjuring what I perceive as the truth
you are an imbecile for not seeing the proof

Not making this up at all
for those buildings so tall

Conspired by those hidden
doing what ever is bidden

The reason I cannot say for sure
but those conspires will endure

Until I cease to exist
must continue and insist

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By Clash, September 9, 2011 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

So, the Warren report was the absolute truth as purveyed by the government, Kennedy was shot by one lone rifle, just before he was going to put and end to the adventure in Vietnam, that’s what revisionist down the memory hole history would have anyone looking briefly at this matter believe. Vietnam went on any way and millions still suffer today.

9/11, planes crashing, missiles firing, steel melting buildings collapsing, people dying, all shoved down the memory hole as quickly as possible, GW,with the look of a scared rabbit on his face, Dick at the helm in his bunker.

Plans years in the making for a the adventure in Iraq, off to Afghanistan, planes flying when no planes should have been, 10 years and hundreds of thousands of people killed, murdered in their beds.

Choreographed by ? LOL….

What does it matter, what meaning is assigned to these circumstance’s, stupidity won, thousands enlisted in the mercenary war machine, ( morals you know ), trillions spent, piece marchers marched, and the culture of death rolled on, now with the excuse it needed to spread state sanctioned terrorism across the world to the places that would not be ignored, as they were for 20 years, such as East Timor, Indonesia, Mexico, EL Salvador, Columbia,.......

Who is assigned responsibility for all this chaos, the mirror is the first place one should look. So stay lost in the technicality’s, look away from the big picture and and presto change-o your poor out of work and living on the street, while pipe lines are built, tar sands are are boiled, fracture drilling is contaminating fresh water sources, oil poured by the millions of gallons to lay waste to the gulf of Mexico, leaving it a waste land, nuclear reactors melt down, the clear cutting of forests goes on, thousands starve in Africa and other places on the globe. Lest it be forgotten climate crisis is ignored.

The madness, stupidity, and the voracious appetite of the omnivorous vermin known as homosapien does not falter, and those who pull the strings can always depend on the stupidity of the species to follow blindly. Who did it? Meaningless.

Leefeller- your sock is still in the dryer, behind the drum.

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By blogdog, September 9, 2011 at 9:38 am Link to this comment

By MeHere, September 8 at 5:07 pm:  ...What America does better than anyone
else is to spark the imagination of our people…

and the winner is

By Leefeller, September 9 at 8:15 am: ...Zionist dwarfs camping…where is my
boat?...

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By drbhelthi, September 9, 2011 at 9:12 am Link to this comment

“ Fuck off, douche bags, I’d welcome the opportunity to challenge any of you on any topic.” 
Billy Pilgrim

Comrade B. Pilgrim, prior to challenging anyone, you might present genuine evidence of “a
plane reputedly travelling at 500 mph, nosediving onto earth“  near Shanksville, PENN on
9-11.  A radio-controlled Boeing 757 that has been blown to pieces at twemty thousand feet
by an F-16 does not nose-dive onto the ground. Its pieces fall all over the landscape beneath
it, similar to the PAA 747 that was blown up over Lockerbie. Which, is what reportedly
happened in Pennsylvania, also.

You and Marian Griffith are two of the few who do not comprehend the basic physics
involved in the discussion, and who present contrary disinformation ideas. A very few
others seem to have failed sixth grade science.  Is the Kenyan-born Brit, Obama, and crew,
tightening up on its hired pimp shills? Or is the latest U.S.Army general discard tightening
your screws?

Was the female in the C.I.A. who, in the 1960s, compiled the list of names e.g., Billy
Pilgrim and Marian Griffith, to be used by company operatives, permitted to retire ?  Or did
she know too much, thus received the brain cancer injection under the guise of a std.
inoculation ?  Have you and Marian received your annual flu shot, Billy P. ?

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By Dutch, September 9, 2011 at 9:05 am Link to this comment
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Billy Pilgrim is having a hard time letting go of the official story.  As he see’s it anyway.  The fact is Bin Laden was on the FBI’s 10 most wanted list for over a decade.  At no point in time was he listed as having anything to do with the 9/11 attacks.  Many people asked about this and that was the reason given by the FBI itself, “we have no substantiated proof of his involvement.”

Yet we went into his house and murdered him for it.  Obama says it was for his involvement in 9/11.  The FBI denies this.  So all we have at the end of the day is the US Government murdering people with no just cause or even a consistent story.  Yet Billy chooses the path of pure denial and refuses to accept that this could have happened on 9/11 despite the number of times he has cheered when this same thing has happened many times since (Saddam Hussein anyone?). 

Ahhh to be American and stupid.  He’s playing it cool so Obama will give him one of those fancy new jobs he’s going to create at the cost of a mere half-trillion dollars. 

Dumbass!

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By charles, September 9, 2011 at 8:45 am Link to this comment
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What wwe understand is that the architect from New Mexico, an high level consultant with our goverment, “KNEW” from day one that the buildings did not come down as explained. I followed the event until AE911Truth emerged and left it to these professionals to guide the process. There is no known demolition professional who can verify the story as told. When someone utters the word ‘terririst’ or terror attack I come skeptical. For me it is the code for ‘them against us.’ Hence, a justification for a preemptive strike.

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By Allen, September 9, 2011 at 8:44 am Link to this comment
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Read a real Banned 9/11 book, here:
http://www.iuniverse.com/Bookstore/BookDetail.aspx?BookId=SKU-000190526

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By Leefeller, September 9, 2011 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

Lets see if I got this straight. Zionist dwarfs camping in front of the towers for three months, must have been working with the elevator Union packing explosives in three of the buildings so when the planes hit the a building they would all fall down?

Of course nobody saw the dwarfs, the tents, the night crew never herd any strange sounds coming from the elevators, security cameras went off every evening before the 7 Zionist dwarfs and now we get to vote for an imbecile like pray for rain Perry for President.

Obviously the planes (The Goodyear Blimp was busy)  had no passengers in them they were flown by strings and tin cans and one of the planes (which may not have been a plane at all) was shot down so it would not fly into a building called the White House and I may get to vote for Bochman who says God it telling us something.

Since I am called a denier, (I prefer to call myself a skeptic) maybe this is like the god thing, where I must prove the existence of something which does not tangibly exist, so it is this position of accusatory denial I am to believe in tall tails for this is how it is according to all the postys flocking here.

So Denial is said to be a river in Egypt, I doubt even its existence. Promoting certainty of voodoo, the absolutists, the Fundamentalists out there, it is I who is in denial,... so where is my boat?

And best of all,...  I get to choose from a great unnatural selection of Republicans to be my president. Thus which privet school I cannot afford to send my kids to. Which medical plan I cannot afford to pay for.  Which crumbling bridge to live under with no jobs or home.

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By tropicgirl, September 9, 2011 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

“”—if flight 77 did not hit the pentagon, then what happened to it?—”“

This is a thought even sadder and more disgusting than the collapsed and blown-up buildings.

To those who think we simply stood down, this presents a huge problem. And if you look at the flight records, from what I have seen, looks like they fudged around with flight numbers, etc.

Yes, where did it go? Good question. So sad I could cry.

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By D.R. Zing, September 9, 2011 at 7:37 am Link to this comment

Good article, Mr. Scheer. Your points are well taken.

when a star
gets sucked
into a black hole

the black hole jets radiation for light years
out what we can think of as its north and south poles

and the mass from the star
squashes out into an accretion disk
  —think of the rings of Saturn—
that then orbits the black hole: astronomical goo

what does that have to do with the towers melting?
nothing

except most people think a sun becomes the size
of a golf ball when it goes into a black hole
which is not a comment on what happens to matter
after it is

dis
integrated

so much as it is a comment
on our basic comprehension
of the world around us

09-09-2011.  D.R. Zing. A Critique of Pure Nonsense

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By bd6951, September 9, 2011 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

To: Billy Pilgrim

My, my have we hit a sore spot.  Your profane rant exposes you as an idiot and only reinforces the contempt I feel for morons like you.  And a picture of Cheney?  Who are you?  It is very simple.  The laws of physics are immutable.  The lies about 9/11 violate the laws of physics.  Therefore the official story of the events of 9/11 are false.  To draw any other conclusion automatically qualifies one for immediate membership in the club for morons.  You must be a charter member.

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By Gabriel, September 9, 2011 at 6:11 am Link to this comment

@ Billy Pilgrim

Well Billy it’s like this:

You take an orange outside, find some clear hard packed dirt [like a dirt driveway], now slam it down against it as hard as you can.

Does 90% of it just disappear into thin air or does it all remain around the area?
There is your impact of a plane at 500 miles per hour ... or at ANY speed up to about 3,000 miles per hour hitting dirt. LOL

Any kid above the age of 5 can figure this out.
So what happened to your brain?

Maybe you should get some -hemp oil- and put a drop under your tongue once a week to get your cognitive thinking back. Seriously. Without it you won’t win an argument around here. smile

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By tropicgirl, September 9, 2011 at 6:04 am Link to this comment

At this point, whoever is denying that there was a staged event on 9/11 is equivalent to a holocaust denier.

No, Hitler has no death camps… no gas, no mass graves…. he wouldn’t do that. Never happened.

No, the renegade CIA wouldn’t do that…

Denial, denial, denial.

You deniers fit right in. A great world of lies to leave to your kids as a legacy. Hang your heads in shame. And the whole world is laughing at you.

And it is tantamount to obstruction of justice that the Bush administration, would fight against the creation of a 9/11 commission for more than a year before it was established, only to have key questions from the victim’s families go unanswered and even, unacknowledged.

Why would the official 911 Commission state that it was “of little practical significance” as to who financed the attacks? Is that why Commission member Max Cleland resigned, calling the entire operation a “scam” and “whitewash”?

In addition, the majority of victim’s family members doubt the official story and have been pushing for a new investigation for years – as attested to by Bill Doyle, head of the largest victim’s family support group.

An October 2006 New York Times/CBS poll found that a paltry 16% of Americans thought the government was telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks, meaning 84% doubted the accuracy of the official story.

A May 2006 Zogby poll found that over 70 million Americans supported a new investigation into 9/11 and less than half of the American public trusted the official 9/11 story or believed the attacks were adequately investigated. The figure supporting a new investigation rose to 51% of Americans in a September 2007 poll.

In addition, the same poll found that 67% also faulted the 9/11 Commission for not investigating anomalous collapse of World Trade Center 7.
As far back as August 2004, another Zogby poll established the fact that half of New Yorkers believe there was government complicity in 9/11.

The Parliament of Japan, the former President of Italy, and widely-respected CIA veteran Robert Baer have all questioned the official story behind 9/11.

Since the attacks, a top former member of Tony Blair’s cabinet, Germany’s Secretary of Defense, and the founder of Reagonomics have all slammed the official story, and many more international figures since then.

And Robert Bowman, retired Lt. Col, is one of more than 200 Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials OPENLY questioning the US government’s ‘official’ version what happened on September 11, 2001 – see list and statements at http://www.PatriotsQuestion911.com . Bob Bowman currently serves as National Commander at http://www.ThePatriots.US.

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By PatrickHenry, September 9, 2011 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

Billy Pilgrim,

Start here.

http://www.flight93crash.com/

As I stated earlier I was listening to this event unfold step by step on WTOP (zionist voice of Washington) as it was happening.  They since denied ever having reported it?

Simply search ‘flight 93 shot down’ and you will find more evidence supporting its being shot down than the feel good story of the passengers versus terrorists that TPTB would have you believe.

If this plane had been rigged to fly-by-wire as I believe it was, they had to shoot it down so it could not be discovered.

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By Billy Pilgrim, September 9, 2011 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

Patrick: That’s your evidence? An elderly Sec. of
Defense speaking extemporaneously about numerous
incidents of reputed terrorism? I don’t totally
discount conspiracy theories. I will probably go to my
grave doubting that JFK was assassinated by Oswald,
however, you have to do better that Rumsfeld’s comment
to prove Flight 93 was shot down by American fighter
jets. A lawyer who just passed the bar would “shoot
down” (no pun intended) your “evidence”.

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By Billy Pilgrim, September 9, 2011 at 5:31 am Link to this comment

To the fucking assholes who responded to my comment:
What speed was the plane in Russia travelling when it
crashed? Ask the widows of the men who rushed the
plane if it was shot down? You pompous scumbags
should leave your parent’s basement and get a fucking
life. I’m older than most of you, and have the balls
to admit my ignorance, unlike you sorry excuses for
human beings, cowards all, who think they have all
the answers, and are nothing more than ignorant
trolls who pollute the internet with their immature
rants. Fuck off, douche bags, I’d welcome the
opportunity to challenge any of you on any topic.
Mother fucking children.

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By PatrickHenry, September 9, 2011 at 5:26 am Link to this comment

Link to Rumsfeld stating the plane being shot down in Pennsylvannia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0

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By PatrickHenry, September 9, 2011 at 5:14 am Link to this comment

One thing is for sure, 9/11 needs to be reinvestigated by an independent prosecutor and citizen panel.

I agree with Bob Kerry, we should have a permanent 9/11 panel to answer all the questions which have arose over the past 10 years.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/09/high-level-officials-eager-to-spill-the-beans-about-what-really-happened-on-911-but-no-one-in-washington-or-the-media-wants-to-hear.html

Billy Pilgram,

Flight 97 was shot down by (2) F-16s which were following it through Pennsylvannia, I heard it on the radio while it was happening and even Rumsfeld let it slip while he was giving an interview.

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By bd6951, September 9, 2011 at 4:42 am Link to this comment

To: Billy Pilgrim

From where do you morons come?  Two days ago a plane carrying a Russian hockey team crashed into the banks of the Volga.  Dozens of pictures showed large pieces of the plane strewn about.  Divers were busy pulling bodies from the river.  This scenario has been repeated, sadly, too many times.  I could go on but you are clearly too dim to comprehend this idea let alone understand that for 9/11 to have happened as you believe all the laws of physics were repealed that day.  You and your ilk are all we need to know about the success of the long term project of dumbing down our citizenry.

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By Gabriel, September 9, 2011 at 4:32 am Link to this comment

@By Billy Pilgrim

If you barely passed high school physics then maybe you should go back to school to complete your basics before asking such silly questions.

If you still have a problem comprehending then maybe you want to watch some real WW2 footage where planes hit the ground at full speed. Just in case you still don’t get it visit youtube or http://www.liveleak.com and do search for “plane crash” and “jet crash”.

This was not a space shuttle or meteor reentering Earth’s atmosphere and burning up in the process.

Sheeeet ... kids these days :(

Oh and please do come back when you graduate from diapers of “gravity and Newtonian Law”. ROFL

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By Billy Pilgrim, September 9, 2011 at 3:51 am Link to this comment

To the good Dr.: I don’t doubt that something is
happening here, what it is ain’t exactly clear;
however, please explain why you think a plane reputedly
travelling at 500 mph, nosediving onto earth, would
leave anything scattered around the impact zone? I
barely passed high school physics, yet even I can
understand basic rules of gravity and Newtonian Law.

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By ghouri, September 9, 2011 at 2:44 am Link to this comment
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The facts will come out when america sink under the earth i.e. whole america is desryed due to wrong doings and killings of innocent people around the Muslim world and i have little doubt God will punish them.

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By Frosty46, September 9, 2011 at 2:12 am Link to this comment

9-11 was committed by the Bush Crime Family by it’s Arabian Arm—-once one opens ones eyes to this all else is well explained and perfectly understandable.

The biggest and best con to ever be pulled by anyone on the planet!

The financial con that followed is second best con ever pulled on planet Earth!

Bend over Earth here come the Republicans—————

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By Marian Griffith, September 9, 2011 at 2:11 am Link to this comment
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@Poggy
—if flight 77 did not hit the pentagon, then what happened to it?—

And maybe that question should make you doubt the ‘truth’ you so absolutely believe in against all logic and all evidence to the contrary.

The USA is not so sparsely populated that a plane crashing into the ground anywhere would not be noticed. The number of airfields where a widebody can land are rather limited too, and the number of them where there are no pesky military or civilians not in on the conspiracy to commit murder on 200 fellow americans for no apparent reason can be counted without the use of hands.

There was a little news article over here a few days back stating that surveys had shown that up to a third of the population of the EC was suffering from some form of mental disorder.

Reading all these conspiracy theories here I begin to belief that just might be true. Only the prevalent problem is not depression but paranoia.

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By drbhelthi, September 9, 2011 at 1:36 am Link to this comment

After reading this article, one wonders if half Robert Sheer´s payment for this article were paid by the C.I.A. Disinformation Program and half by Truthdig?

“For a decade, the main questions about 9/11 have gone unanswered- -“  WRONG-O.
The main questions have been redundantly answered by groups of experts in all areas encompassed by the various 9-11 falsifications. Placing the thousands of innocent folk murdered in NYC, plus the several by the pentagon wired explosion aside, the aviation events alone are magical.

That the GHWBushSr entourage can crash a Boeing 757 near Shanksville, PENN, creating a huge dimple in the ground, without depositing tons of aluminium and steel wreckage is wondrous.  Especially, since airliner wreckage debri was scattered over the state that day – ABSENT blood and guts from passenger bodies, baggage and associated debri.  And the flying of a similar airliner into the Pentagon, absent any wreckage debri, tons of aluminium & steel plus blood and guts and baggage of alleged passengers?  A magical feat, indeed !

Interestingly, the C.I.A. blew up the P.A.A. Boeing 747 over Lockerbie, Scotland, which fell from 30,000 feet altitude, depositing huge pieces of fuselage and human body and baggage debri over a vast span of acreage.  Susan Lindauer, former asset of the U.S. Government´s C.I.A., clarified that the CIA blew up the PAA 747 in order to assassinate two special agents returning to the US with proof that the USGOV has conducted drug-runs from the Beka Valley for however long. What are two hundred forty additional passengers to a clan of murderers who hire MOSSAD agents to destroy the WTC ? Was the gaining of billions of US $ insurance payments for one of the clan only one of several tasks accomplished by 9/11 ?  Such murderous clans kill off millions of innocent folk, after fraudulently setting up the clans, tribes and races as “terrorists” of a sort.  Recorded since about 5,000 BC, if not earlier.

Two simple, basic rules of physics:
1.  No airliner debri = no airliner crash.
2.  No human body debri = no passengers. 

Certainly the following quote was derived by a follower of Josef Goebbels: “ Americans will believe anything we tell them - - “ .  Did a reader of Truthdig hear this or a repetition spoken, and is gutsy enough to reveal its “soothsayer”, possibly among the GHWBush “entourage” ?

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By expat, September 9, 2011 at 1:20 am Link to this comment
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when truthdig warned us that sheer’s BS would come out on Thursday,

didn’t I tell you not to bother, that it’d be all BS anyway?

well…

bin bogeyman, al-cia-da, these are nothing but an intel narratives.

And, big surprise, sheer is an instrument propagading that propagandist narrative.

I ask, where is sheer’s primary allegiance?

Connect the dots, then it all makes sense.

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By theway, September 9, 2011 at 1:18 am Link to this comment

Although I did not read every word in all the comments I think we forgot two facts:
1. Mr Bush (W) sent Bin Laden’s family out of the country immediately after 9/11. Why?

2. Osama Bin Laden stated categorically, also immediately after 9/11 that he was not responsible for the tragedy. If it was otherwise I am sure he would have been proud to admit it.

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By Gabriel, September 8, 2011 at 11:17 pm Link to this comment

Re: Robert Scheer ... ROFL & LMAO

This is the most pitiful article I’ve seen about 9/11. And you call your website “Truthdig - drilling beneath the headlines”?

Your article is carefully crafted to portray asking questions which have already been answered by many. These include:
professional investigators,
witnesses,
private investigators,
citizens,
government officials,
present standing military and ex military,
present and former spy agency personnel,
mass and independent media,
corporate whistle blowers,
1,000’s of websites,
and about 3/4 of this planet ... yet you seem to not know anything about it?

Furthermore, you trumpet same old Mass Media bull that’s been circulating all over via propaganda machine called United States Government and some Corporate Media. That’s the most disgraceful, shameful to downright PATHETIC way to present anything that may have even a hint of truth.

Did you actually do ANY real study into this 9/11 subject?

Your readers, ones whom are not deniers and shills, seem to be much more informed than you are. In their own ways, as a whole, they have put the pieces together ... which you should have done before posting such drivel.

Where is that investigative reporting you are so famous for?
Where is the digging and tracing to the root of the problem?
Where is the Truth mr. Robert Scheer?

This begs the question: Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

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By howard, September 8, 2011 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment
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RUSerious’ comments hirt the nail on the head.
America had troops on Saudi soil, which OBL considered sacred (Mecca) soil to Moslems.
OBL was Persona Non Grata with his own Saudi family.
BTW, it wasn’t until a few months afer Iraq II started that OBL brought up Israel, which he did
because the 9/11 attack was making Moslems look bad.

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By Leefeller, September 8, 2011 at 9:52 pm Link to this comment

Good one Zing!

My life has been smothered by conspiracy’s driving me mad as compulsive one you see,  though I will not allow myself to be had as it would be, so to this day I am in awe and shock for I have never ever found that one damn missing sock!

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By munky, September 8, 2011 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

I disagree that “we know little” about the motives. Khalid Sheik Mohammed told FBI interrogators that the primary motive for 9/11 was U.S. support for Israel. Our national discourse forbids discussing Israel’s horrible behavior, and US support of it, as constituting a threat to the lives of American civilians via blowback. Further explanation here: http://you­tu.be/J1bm­2GPoFfg

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By JMD, September 8, 2011 at 9:30 pm Link to this comment

Robert Scheer:            9/08/2011
    Politically speaking,the truth does not have
to be spoken,when silence will suffice.Rumours and innuendo will abound among all the speculation,
creating a bigger chasm in the ranks.Just what was
intended - its purpose,achieved! 
    The plebs are not in the need to know
league,and never have been.And as the truth becomes
more distant and remains hidden,objectivity suffers a
mortal wound.Another political victory.
    As we move for - backwards in the 21st Century
watch for and listen to the deception to destroy our
solidarity,and take notice of who is rendering
“silent help” to the “Man on horseback” to become a
superpower. 
    Thanking you for this opportunity to comment -
    James M. de Laurier

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By D.R. Zing, September 8, 2011 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

words
bouncing balls of rubber
so many
all echoing the same sound:

if you don’t agree
you’re a plastic ball
but me
i’m a rubber ball
got my own bouncing gall

i wonder what bob
must think
peering in this ricocheting
echo chamber of
cacophony
dissonance
certitude

how many read
the writing
on the walls
before the walls
melted

one would suspect
few

our karma
runs over
our dogma

wolf
wolf

9-18-2011. D.R. Zing. Another Freebie for TruthDig

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By blogdog, September 8, 2011 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

Karma?

let’s leave the mystical out of it - 9/11 was not the so-called ‘greatest intelligence failure’ of all time - it
was the ‘greatest intelligence success’

the whole thing was planned and drilled for half a decade leading up to it - only the drills were executed
under the pretext of preventing and/or responding to such an event

but 9-11-01, when dozens of drill were in progress, a handful switched on and became the real thing

Atta, et al, thought they were role-playing in a drill - after they went live, the planes went on auto-pilot - for sure a missile hit the Pentagon - FLs 77 & 93, who knows?

a handful of rogue agents in their compartmentalized modes know what really happened - everyone
elses’ jaws just dropped - shortly after, the anthrax op ran and everyone knew to just STFU

there are a few brave whistle blowers and a few more that have been STFU for good

laid out in detail here http://tarpley.net/

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By wbradleyjr1, September 8, 2011 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment

What a crock of sh*t this and all the rest of the 9/11 articles published by “truthdig”. It’s time for you to change your name to anything that DOES NOT include the word truth.

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By SteveL, September 8, 2011 at 8:14 pm Link to this comment

Historically 9-11.  The Brits made life miserable in India for people there on 9-11
in the early 1900’s.  The U.S. backed a coup in Chile on 9-11 to get rid of the
elected government of Salvador Allende.  Karma!

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By prosefights, September 8, 2011 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

‘The worse aspects of our Middle East involvement began in 1948 when we engineered the overthrow the democratically elected government in Iran.’

Will Iran nuclear facilities be bombed?

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By Angel Gabriel, September 8, 2011 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

Gosh, I’m sorry, I forgot one important word - Complacency!

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By Dr. O. P. Sudrania, September 8, 2011 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

9/11 was a stage managed affair by Bush Inc to break USSR and avenge the US defeat in Vietnam. Invasion of Iraq was to show his supremacy and control the oil in Iraq and eliminate an adversary in Middle East at the behest of Saudi Arabia as he had already invaded Kuwait and posed danger to Saudi Arabia - a US ally.

US is a lone world power unopposed; this has left US to commit all crimes against humanity all over. Latest example is Libya and elimination of Gaddafi. It is bound to cause more retributive problems and more wars. I have said it for the same reason that Obama may have to fight two wars starting November 2012.

God bless

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By blogdog, September 8, 2011 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

serious as a ‘new moon’ - he did it on the 5th Anniversary
http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/20060910_robert_scheer_holes_9_11/ -
comments run to 7 pages, possibly the most commented TD article to date - why?
polling stats on questioning the ‘official conspiracy theory’ - 5 1/2 min.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlPweD6R3Cc

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By RUSerious, September 8, 2011 at 5:08 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Scheer,
  I love ya, pal.  But I fear you may have merely offered an opportunity for all the new mooners and conspiracy lovers to chime in with all kinds of off-the-wall stuff.  I expect to see a post from Jesse Ventura in here soon,

When Bin Laden said he was attacking the US for having infidel troops on sacred Saudi soil, I believe that was his Wahabist radical reason - and the one Bin Laden really meant.  Why search for something more sinister?  If fundamentalist “christians” in the US are willing to build paramilitary militias because of bogus fears of one-world-ism or Zionism or fear of minorities or whatever, why should a simplistic violent view from a muslim radical be dismissed out of hand?

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By MeHere, September 8, 2011 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

Conspiracy theories from government, conspiracy theories from individuals -what
an imaginary land we’re living in.  It must be what an overly inspired Obama said
once: “What America does better than anyone else is to spark the imagination of
our people ....in America, innovation….is how we make our living.”

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By e&co;., September 8, 2011 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment

We know a lot about the origins of 9/11. It’s the pre-packaged story that fails to hold up. Hundreds of relevant questions still have no answers. Here are just a handful: Who benefits most from 9/11?  Why does it run just like OPERATION NORTHWOODS, with bin Laden playing the role of Castro?  Who placed the short-sells on the airlines on 9/4/01 (so many that it was even noted by the business press), who gave the order to deliberately ignore the warning flags raised in Aug. by the FBI in Phoenix & Minneapolis (not to mention the infamous PDB), who failed to pay attention to the handler of the two FBI-informant hijackers in San Diego, who arranged the FEMA conference in NYC beginning 9/10, why do so few people question the implosion of No. 7 when the recordings verify that it was “pulled” (controlled demolition), who arranged all the false flag operations on 9/11, & who was able to trot out a very conveniently complete story of the greatest crime in U.S. history within 3 days, case closed, when it takes years to unravel such large crimes using forensic evidence that in this case was largely carted away to Fresh Kills & shipped overseas as scrap. (It took over three years to convict all the perpetrators of the 1993 bombing of the WTC, which killed seven, destroyed a parking garage, & interrupted broadcast transmissions for several days; likewise, after collecting almost ONE BILLION pieces of information & evidence, it took over two years to convict McVeigh & his accomplices in the Oklahoma City Bombing.)  al-Q’aeda might be able to arrange put options on airline stocks. Thanks to our worthless Visa system (which no one ever wants to fix, they just want to create reactionary tactics to compensate & compensate contractors, like the TSA & Chertoff’s cancer-rape machines), al-Q’aeda did put hijackers in flight schools around the country. But unless al-Q’aeda infiltrated the government at every level, answering “al-Q’aeda” begs all the other questions. As for a real trial, it would be a forum where some key gov’t officials are, at best, shown to be incompetent, or at worst, PNAC string-pulling, murdering, financier scum (or a combo-PAC), thereby incriminating a whole slew of war criminals NOT associated with al-Q’aeda, except perhaps to hire AQ to engage in the biggest massacre they’ve ever engaged in, before or since. (AQ has blown up plenty of people & places, but never on such a huge scale, nor at such a distance from any of their training areas. Yes, bin Laden had it in for the U.S. empire, but it was that empire that created AQ to begin with when the CIA supported the Mujahadeen to help kick the Soviets out of Afghanistan in the 80s, & later at Tora Bora, turned some of our best covert ops forces into unwitting Keystone Cops. Was this part of the patsy agreement?)  So who benefits from the truth?  Certainly not the insubordinate a**holes who ingratiated themselves into D.C. through a system that leaves most of us two electoral choices, “worse & worst,” nor their corporate paymasters who hand out blood-soaked money for campaigns & perks in order to insuborn the U.S. Constitution. They have in turn used 9/11 to all but destroy it completely, giving us the corporate fascist oligarchy we enjoy today. “Who benefits?” It’s the first question any good investigator asks when a crime occurs, & it’s the one question that the oligarch’s propaganda machine has done a brilliant job of distracting us from asking. The “big lie” writ huge by power-greed addicts (waaaay overdue for the 12 Steps) who exploit our desire to see the good in others we perceive as leaders. They turned our good will against us, using the great human shortcomings I call DDDDP, Drama, Distraction, Denial, Division, & Projection. (Watch Faux News for five minutes & you’ll see all five!)  That is an atrocity of the first degree.

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By truedigger3, September 8, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Robert Scheer wrote:
“and what was the role of our ally, Saudi Arabia, the country of origin for most of the hijackers and their financing. Why in the aftermath of the attack did the United States embrace Pakistan, which was one of only three governments (Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were the others) to diplomatically recognize the Taliban and which turned out to be harboring the fugitive Osama bin Laden”
————————————————————————

Is Robert Scheer is a shill for war? Is he helping setting the stage for attacks on Saudi Arabia and Pakistan??!!  Just asking!

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By Angel Gabriel, September 8, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

A few words that sum it all up;

*Complicity
*P.N.A.C.
*Game Plan
*Maintaining Momentum
*Bilderberg Strategies (A common cause to mold Global Economic Dominance in
the 21st Century.)
*Henry Kissinger (De-Population to solve Global Warming will be much cheaper than Regulating Global Industry’s.)
*Elimination of World Poverty. (It’s too expensive to feed the masses who don’t have the MONEY to feed themselves, and who don’t worship at the alter of “In
God We Trust”.)


AG

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By Clash, September 8, 2011 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

“It is over the lowest class of mankind that Government by terror is intended to operate, and on them it operates to the worst effect. They have sense enough to feel they are the objects aimed at; and they inflict in turn the examples of terror they have been instructed to practice” Thomas Paine

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