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Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gestures while making a statement on the new WikiLeaks release of documents. She spoke Monday at the State Department in Washington.

By Robert Scheer

Hillary Clinton should cut out the whining about what the Obama administration derides as “stolen cables” and confront the unpleasant truths they reveal about the contradictions of U.S. foreign policy and her own troubling performance. As with the earlier batch of WikiLeaks, in this latest release the corruption of our partners in Iraq and Afghanistan stands in full relief, and the net effect of nearly a decade of warfare is recognized as a strengthening of Iran’s influence throughout the region.

Do we as voters not have a need to know that our State Department says that Ahmed Wali Karzai, the half brother of the Afghan leader we are backing and himself the head of government in the most contested province, “is widely understood to be corrupt and a narcotics trafficker”? Or that authorities working with our Drug Enforcement Administration discovered Afghanistan’s then-vice president smuggling $52 million in cash out of his country, a nation that U.S. taxpayers are bankrolling?

In the cable discussing Ahmed Wali Karzai, or AWK as he is called, there is a pithy description of the basic folly of our attempt to control the uncontrollable land of Afghanistan: “The meeting with AWK highlights one of our major challenges in Afghanistan: how to fight corruption and connect the people to their government, when the key government officials are themselves corrupt.”

The cables make a hash of claims that our invasion of Iraq—where al-Qaida could not operate when Saddam Hussein was in power—was helpful in the war on terror. Recall that 15 of the 9/11 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. Yet the WikiLeaks documents reveal, as The New York Times reported, that “Saudi donors remain the chief financiers of Sunni militant groups like Al Qaeda, and the tiny Persian Gulf state of Qatar, a generous host to the American military for years, was the ‘worst in the region’ in counterterrorism efforts, according to a State Department cable last December.”

While the great threat is now said by Clinton’s State Department to emanate from Iran, the cables make clear that Iranian power was much enhanced by the U.S. overthrow of Saddam, who had fought a long, bloody war against the ayatollahs. The result of our invasion is an Iraqi government run by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, described in the cables as being much under the influence of Iran, which orchestrated his deal with the Iranian-backed Sadrists that kept him in power. The cables report King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia dismissing Maliki as no more than an “Iranian agent.”

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This material refutes the stated anti-terrorist purposes of the two wars we are fighting, and that is the prime reason it is classified. If any of the information was so sensitive, why was none of it labeled “top secret” as is the practice with content that would risk our nation’s security? And why was this vast trove placed in computer systems to which low-ranking personnel had access? The real problem with the release of the dispatches, particularly the kind labeled “noforn,” meaning it shouldn’t be shared with foreign governments, is that it is politically embarrassing—which is why we, the public, have a right to view it. That is certainly the case with the revelation that Secretary Clinton destroyed the once-sacred line between the legitimate diplomat deserving of universal protection and the spies that governments could be justified in arresting.

Instead of disparaging the motives of the leakers, Hillary Clinton should offer a forthright explanation of why she continued the practice of Condoleezza Rice, her predecessor as secretary of state, of using American diplomats to spy on their colleagues working at the United Nations. Why did she issue a specific directive ordering U.S. diplomats to collect biometric information on U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and many of his colleagues?

As the respected British newspaper The Guardian, which obtained the WikiLeaks cables, said in summarizing the matter: “A classified directive which appears to blur the line between diplomacy and spying was issued to US diplomats under Hillary Clinton’s name in July 2009, demanding forensic technical details about the communications system used by top UN officials, including passwords and personal encryption keys used in private and commercial networks for official communications.”

The Guardian pointed out that the Clinton directive violates the language of the original U.N. convention, which reads: “The premises of the United Nations shall be inviolable.” The spying effort derived from concern that U.N. rapporteurs might unearth embarrassing details about the U.S. treatment of prisoners in Guantánamo as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the directives demanded “biographic and biometric” information on Dr. Margaret Chan, the director of the World Health Organization, as well as details of her personality and management style. Maybe she’s hiding bin Laden in her U.N. office.

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By fearnotruth, December 2, 2010 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

RE: Julian Assange, “State and Terrorist Conspiracies”
Google zubzguzungu for the rest of Assange’s essay.

yes, read it - as could anyone here
http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/julian-assange-and-the-computer-conspiracy-“to-destroy-this-invisible-government”/

sexy theory - curiously he’s ‘annoyed’ by 911 conspiracy narratives
- anyway, in this case JA’s theory is much less important
than what was actually ‘leaked’ and who stands
to benefit from reaction to the ‘leaks’ - on that more here
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/

and here
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218807-Wiki-Leaks-Serves-Israeli-Agenda-Of-Demonizing-Iran

and here
http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/63211

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By radson, December 2, 2010 at 8:35 pm Link to this comment

BR549

BR if you had read my first post then perhaps you would have a better idea as to what I was alluding to,that’s why I posted the second post.Overall I interpret this as being an exercise in Loyalty a kind of cleaning
of the edifice ,before the final arrangements .Why?  is a good question ,but don’t forget that popular inquisitiveness may lead persons in important positions to ‘slip the tongue ’ so to speak ,because of the flair of the
situation and all do not agree with the Status Quo .As far as Julian goes ;the question remains as to the timing of the Leaks and the timing of the supposed sexual aggression .The other point of question dwells on
the choice of the Media outlets for the leaks combined with the purported self censorship of the documents which have now been curtailed -not that the original -documents had a hell of a lot to say ,that wasn’t already known.

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By truedigger3, December 2, 2010 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

Re: By Inherit The Wind, December 2 at 4:15 pm

ITW,

The issue here is much higher than partisanship, although, however in my opinion, there is no REAL difference between the Republicans and the DLC Democrats who are now controling the Democratic party, and Obama is one of them, both in domestic and foreign policies.
The Democrats had the majority in Congress for four years, but everything was done according to what the Republicans wanted with minor cosmetic trivial differences.
The Democrats holler and protest and shed crocodiles’ tears and give wonderful speeches, but in the end the Rupublicans get their way!!!. This happened again and again and again?? What the f#@k is going on here? This is a charade and theatrics.!
The Rupblicans always declare: “Our way or the highway” and the Democrats always respond, we want partisanship and compromise???!!! That is pathetic.
Many say Obama is Bush3, but some said, and I agree with them: Obama is Reagan and Hoover combined and on stroids.
Bush wouldn’t have dared to freeze the salaries of the Federal Employees or propose cuts in Social Security or expand the war in Afghanistan etc etc..!!!

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By BR549, December 2, 2010 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

Radson et al,

So what are the chances that the ‘powers-that-be’ are willing to risk shocking the population into a state of rude awakening all to introduce some phony intelligence data? I would think that waking these people up would have a far worse impact on their long term plan than any short term erroneous data.

You might be correct, but the argument against Assange isn’t as clean as it appears.

My two cents.

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By gerard, December 2, 2010 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

Why not let Assange speak for himself?  In part:

“To radically shift regime behavior we must think clearly and boldly for if we have learned anything, it is that regimes do not want to be changed. We must think beyond those who have gone before us, and discover technological changes that embolden us with ways to act in which our forebears could not. Firstly we must understand what aspect of government or neocorporatist behavior we wish to change or remove. Secondly we must develop a way of thinking about this behavior that is strong enough carry us through the mire of politically distorted language, and into a position of clarity. Finally must use these insights to inspire within us and others a course of ennobling, and effective action.”

Julian Assange, “State and Terrorist Conspiracies”
Google zubzguzungu for the rest of Assange’s essay.

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By radson, December 2, 2010 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

Wikileaks and the big bucket of Piss just waiting to be poured on the unsuspecting or is it the blind fools that keep harping about the altruism that is being brought forth with these revelations .Well the Minstrel is
playing the tune and the pied piper is close by and the drums of war are beating ,all in unison to the song of Democracy .Jump aboard while you still can and pledge your allegiance and Loyalty to Mammon and in
‘god we trust’ for mammon is more Real than life itself .The enemy has been chosen and all other thoughts must be frozen ,for the axis of evil is threatening the world ,in the words of Yahu from Zion and the courtiers
that claim a Congress and a Senate they will raise a pennant, a false flag of war that the masses must adorn and fight the fight.Will the unemployed heed the call that beckoned their fathers and march towards a
glorious death for the Ideology of the wealthy ,who watch from the chosen seats of the Coliseum as the Lions tear innocence apart ,for the children of the cowards are sacred ,the cowards are the Kings of today
who lead from a desk ,counting their money and prowess on a screen ,like living in a dream .But what will be left ,once the damage is dealt and what will be felt when there’s nothing left to feel .So the Persians are the target of these leaks along with the DPRK and the Chinese who refuse to bail out the US through the QE2 and Mr.Putin who sees through the bullshit.Well Mr. .Obama and Bibi and the Queen where does Your
Loyalty lie.

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By fearnotruth, December 2, 2010 at 5:33 pm Link to this comment

RE: Whatever their provenance, and the motives behind their “release,” the message
for which these “diplomatic cables” are the chosen medium at-least includes the
information that the super-boobies are sufficiently anxious about the recent setbacks
for their “global” criminal enterprise they’ll risk exposing even their own sophomoronic
immaturity, in a vain attempt to advance the “agenda.”

Listen up, green horns. The Old Indian knows how to track a varmint, can spot a phony
smoke signal and identify a mirage - these ‘leaks’ come from the wilderness - take his
advice, take a closer look - ask yourself this: whose ‘agenda’ do these ‘leaks’ serve to
advance?

e.g.

1) can it be proven, as suggested in the ‘leaks’, that North Korea supplied Iran with
missiles capable of targeting Europe?

2) can it be proven, as suggested in the ‘leaks’,  that the Pakistani Government is
enabling the Taleban?

on the 2nd point, there are evidentiary reports, but are the enablers Pakistani, and if
not, why finger them; moreover, why so little from boots-on-the-ground media
correspondents?

http://iwpr.net/report-news/helicopter-rumour-refuses-die

Helicopter Rumour Refuses to Die

Many Afghans believe foreign forces providing support for insurgents in the north.
By Ahmad Kawoosh - Afghanistan
ARR Issue 343,
2 Nov 09

Persistent accounts of western forces in Afghanistan using their helicopters to ferry
Taleban fighters, strongly denied by the military, is feeding mistrust of the forces that
are supposed to be bringing order to the country.

One such tale came from a soldier from the 209th Shahin Corps of the Afghan National
Army, fighting against the growing insurgency in Kunduz province in northern
Afghanistan. Over several months, he had taken part in several pitched battles against
the armed opposition.

“Just when the police and army managed to surround the Taleban in a village of Qala-e-
Zaal district, we saw helicopters land with support teams,” he said. “They managed to
rescue their friends from our encirclement, and even to inflict defeat on the Afghan
National Army.”

This story, in one form or another, is being repeated throughout northern Afghanistan.
Dozens of people claim to have seen Taleban fighters disembark from foreign
helicopters in several provinces. The local talk is of the insurgency being consciously
moved north, with international troops ferrying fighters in from the volatile south, to
create mayhem in a new location.

Helicopters are almost exclusively the domain of foreign forces in Afghanistan – the
international military controls the air space, and has a virtual monopoly on aircraft. So
when Afghans see choppers, they think foreign military.

“Our fight against the Taleban is nonsense,” said the soldier from Shahin Corps. “Our
foreigner ‘friends’ are friendlier to the opposition.”

For months or even years, rumours have been circulating in Afghanistan that the
Taleban are being financed or even directly supported militarily by the foreign
forces.

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By TAO Walker, December 2, 2010 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

“plainsman” maybe reads too much (or might it be too little?) into this Old Indian’s observation below.  The bona fides (or lack thereof) of wikileaks seems of, at-best, only incidental significance.

Whatever their provenance, and the motives behind their “release,” the message for which these “diplomatic cables” are the chosen medium at-least includes the information that the super-boobies are sufficiently anxious about the recent setbacks for their “global” criminal enterprise they’ll risk exposing even their own sophomoronic immaturity, in a vain attempt to advance the “agenda.”  Perhaps they “hope” they can overcome their own growing paralysis by tricking some among their intended victims into tripping the trapdoor for them.

In the tracks they make, we can see not only the essential nature of these poor damned fools, but the DEAD END direction they’re heading hell-for-leather, as well.

HokaHey!

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By moni, December 2, 2010 at 1:56 pm Link to this comment
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American “Diplomats”, for all their superior education at top Universities, apparently did not heed the most basic admonition of the good mother: ‘If you don’t have anything nice to say (about someone); don’t say anything at all’.

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By M L, December 2, 2010 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment
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Men with aggression fueled by testosterone(small penis complex) play war games and innocent men, women and children die unnecessarily. These narcissistic men can destroy entire nations without remorse or regret. George Bush joked about not being able to find Weapons of Mass Destruction under his desk.
Julius Assange is exposing the liars and killers and now it is up to the American people to stop them.

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By Leefeller, December 2, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

All governments lie and deceive as a normal course of operations, according to a poster here. Seems like a counter feeble leak. As the leaks spring on a sinking ship, man and women the lifeboats!

Oh, yes Iran is to be destroyed ever since the over throw of yet another puppet in Iran but not by us.  Saddam was taking to long and not doing his job and he cut our puppet strings. So Uncle Sam attacked Iraq for the better?


Government making shit up seems what the leak is about. Fretting about the leak becomes fretting about reality. After all it is just a leak of the truth.

If one looks at the whole picture it falls into place like the last peace of the puzzle.

Collateral damage may not only be the newsy civilian casualties we have heard so little about.  Collateral damage obviously seems to include something called common sense.

The leaks are seen in the same light as shock and awe by the senseless!  How about this ...... collateral damage may the people in the war monger country dumping all of its money into senseless sacred war cows.

What war?

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By Robert, December 2, 2010 at 11:42 am Link to this comment

Who, Precisely, Is Attacking the World?

By Paul Craig Roberts

December 01, 2010 “Information Clearing House”——

“The stuck pigs are squealing. To shift the onus from the U.S. State Department, Hillary Clinton paints WikiLeaks’ release of the “diplomatic cables” as an “attack on the international community.” To reveal truth is equivalent, in the eyes of the U.S. government, to an attack on the world.

It is WikiLeaks’ fault that all those U.S. diplomats wrote a quarter of a million undiplomatic messages about America’s allies, a.k.a. puppet states. It is also WikiLeaks’ fault that a member of the U.S. government could no longer stomach the cynical ways in which the U.S. government manipulates foreign governments to serve, not their own people, but American interests, and delivered the incriminating evidence to WikiLeaks.

The U.S. government actually thinks that it was WikiLeaks’ patriotic duty to return the evidence and to identify the leaker. After all, we mustn’t let the rest of the world find out what we are up to. They might stop believing our lies.

The influential German magazine Der Spiegel writes: “It is nothing short of a political meltdown for U.S. foreign policy.”

This might be more a hope than a reality. The “Soviet threat” during the second half of the 20th century enabled U.S. governments to create institutions that subordinated the interests of other countries to those of the U.S. government. After decades of following U.S. leadership, European “leaders” know no other way to act. Finding out that the boss badmouths and deceives them is unlikely to light a spirit of independence. At least not until America’s economic collapse becomes more noticeable.

The question is: how much will the press tell us about the documents? Spiegel itself has said that the magazine is permitting the U.S. government to censor, at least in part, what it prints about the leaked material. Most likely, this means the public will not learn the content of the 4,330 documents that “are so explosive that they are labeled ‘NOFORN,’” meaning that foreigners, including presidents, prime ministers, and security services that share information with the CIA are not permitted to read the documents. Possibly, also, the content of the 16,652 cables classified as “secret” will not be revealed to the public.

Most likely the press, considering their readers’ interests, will focus on gossip and the unflattering remarks Americans made about their foreign counterparts. It will be good for laughs. Also, the U.S. government will attempt to focus the media in ways that advance U.S. policies.

Indeed, it has already begun. On Nov. 29, National Public Radio emphasized that the cables showed that Iran was isolated even in the Muslim world, making it easier for the Israelis and Americans to attack. The leaked cables reveal that the president of Egypt, an American puppet, hates Iran, and the Saudi Arabian government has been long urging the U.S. government to attack Iran.”


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26957.htm

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By Blackspeare, December 2, 2010 at 11:32 am Link to this comment

If the $52 million is all that Ahmed Wali Karzai had I feel kind of sorry for him because that is only chump change compared to the $billions that is unaccounted for!

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By Inherit The Wind, December 2, 2010 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

TD3:

I don’t usually like your analysis but this time I think you may be onto something, but it’s the “right church, wrong pew”. I don’t think Assage is a plant.  I think he’s airing out a foul stink, but you are right—it’s a stink to justify attacking Iran.  What these documents do is show that we (the US with the nincompoop Dubya as President) f***ed up and achieved exactly the OPPOSITE of our stated goal re: Iran.

But I think we are in agreement: I think attacking Iran would be even more criminally insane than attacking Iraq was.  And what can we do to bring things back under control without yet another war?  Why, ratify this new START treaty with Russia!

So look who’s blocking THAT as well!  The same shitheads who avidly supported all of GWB’s criminally idiotic policies.  Remember: These guys all thought battling terrorism was a red-herring joke by Dems up to and including Sept 10, 2001!

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By BR549, December 2, 2010 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

WeAreWideAwake/eileenfleming, December 2 at 2:04 pm
“WikiLeaks only exposed what many of US already knew; that we are ruled by
people who deceive and care naught about Equal Human Rights or what George
Washington warned US:

“Observe good faith and justice towards all nations; cultivate peace and harmony
with all…and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in
place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The
nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is
in some degree a slave…a passionate attachment of one nation for another
produces a variety of evils.”- George Washington’s Farewell Address – 1796
==========================================================

Thank you Eileen. G.W.‘s quote further illustrates that the world is what we make it.  How these people in government today can lie, cheat, steal, and murder and then try to pass themselves off as Julie Andrews or Betty White is beyond me. Their behavior in office is only a sample of the dysfunction within their owns pathetic lives. As I have said in other posts, imagine where we would be if our defense budget had been spent on promoting responsible stewardship and peace.

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By truedigger3, December 2, 2010 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

I am surprized and baffleld that many of the so called progressives who write in the “progressive” web media, including Mr. Scheer el al, accepted these “leaks” as a given and did not stop for a second to investigate whether these “leaks” are authentic or staged and who is REALLY benefitting from these “leaks” and who is that “assange” and what is his back ground?!
For starter there is nothing is called trust or truth in international diplomacy, but there is self interest and “what in it for me?” and “how you guarantee that” or “tell me what to do to get you off my back?”.
In iternational diplomacy, everyone lies and deceives and bullshits. Everyone gossips, evaluates everyone and talks about everyone.
Most of these “leaks” are old known information or just relaying quotes from someone else. For example: Karazi’s government is corrupt and his brother is a drug dealer. That has been known and talked about in the media for years. What is new here?
Someone is relaying a quote that Merkel is not “creative” and Sarkuzi has a “thin skin”! Is that really embarrassing ? I am sure both of them have expressed, already known, non complimentary opinions about the US, Clinton, Bush and Obama!!
How is it that National Security is harmed by these “leaks”? Which cable did that?? The answer is none.
The only thing that STANDS OUT in these “leaks” is IRAN .. IRAN and more IRAN!! How “dangerous” IRAN is!
and how it “hated” by its Arab neighbours who are “urging in secret” the US attack it. Not a single cable about Israel who are the most vocal voice urging attacking Iran.
Not a single cable about Israel and its atrocities and crimes in the Middle East and and its continuous stalling of the peace negotiation with the Palestinians.
Is the primary purpose of these “leaks” is to divert attention from Israel and its crimes and set the stage for an attack on Iran.??!1

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By BR549, December 2, 2010 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, December 2 at 12:37 pm
“WikiLeaks is not a news organization; it is a criminal enterprise. Its reason for existence is to obtain classified national security information and disseminate it as widely as possible—including to the United States’ enemies. These actions are likely a violation of the Espionage Act.” ..... and ..... “Wikileaks is one more example of a group of ideologues willing to assign death and pain for the correct
cause.  Heroes to some and a danger to others.”

How is life on that sterilized planet you live on? If anyone gets killed anywhere because of Assange’s releases, it wouldn’t be innocents, but rather those people who had already knowingly been part of the problem by continuing to support this facade of lies and deceit. The fact that these “secrets” have been released is akin to a couple having a cathartic moment at a marriage counselor’s office as that veil of protection gets broken down and the healing can begin. We are, after all, one huge social organism and our individual organs are the ethnicities and diversification necessary to perform separate ways of thinking. We NEED our cultural diversity to stay alive; not this homogenization crap being forced down our throats by the likes of those NWO idiots.

Maybe you live a life where you cheat on your wife and steal pocket change from your kids. Maybe you also feel justified in storming off to pound the crap out of your neighbor so you can intimidate him to give you apples from his garden. It’s obvious that you have missed the point of what having neighbors is about and being able to participate in a functional community.

No, Assange should get the Nobel Peace Prize. You get to sit in the back of the class.

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By RayLan, December 2, 2010 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

“Julian Assange recently told the New Yorker he understands that innocent people may be hurt or killed by his disclosures (“collateral damage” he called them) and that WikiLeaks might get “blood on our hands.”
That has already been responded to. Assange was being ironic - pointing to the imperialistic warmongering - and its irresponsible killing of innocents in the name of nation building and counter-terrorism.
The information was deseminated primarily through main stream media sources like the NY Times. That’s what got everbody’s attention. So lets demonize them as well. Full disclosure and truth-telling reportage is not terrorism - it works in the exact opposite direction from corrupt corporate imperialistic warmongering that depends desperately on secrecy.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 2, 2010 at 7:37 am Link to this comment

WikiLeaks is not a news organization; it is a criminal enterprise. Its reason for existence is to obtain classified national security information and disseminate it as widely as possible—including to the United States’ enemies. These actions are likely a violation of the Espionage Act.

- Julian Assange recently told the New Yorker he understands that innocent people may be hurt or killed by his disclosures (“collateral damage” he called them) and that WikiLeaks might get “blood on our hands.”

Wikileaks is one more example of a group of ideologues willing to assign death and pain for the correct cause.  Heroes to some and a danger to others.

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By drbhelthi, December 2, 2010 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

“- - for Hillory to order Bio-metric information
DNA, iris scan, - - this is all for Black mail - -.
next we will clone our enemies and make the big
switch, best puppet government.” By Peter Knopfler.

The puppet government was initiated 1945, by Allen
Dulles, via Operation Paper Clip, furthered by
conversion of the OSS into the CIA by NAZI General
Gehlin, disregarding the directive of President
Truman, subsequently President Isenhower.

Videos by John Stockwell – “CIA’s War on Humans”,
Chronicles of Chip Tatum, Chronicles of Ted
Gunderson, books by Andreas von Bulow, and testimony
of Jesse Ventura detail how the NAZI-designed and
directed CIA has undermined the genuine leadership of
the USA, European governments, and to some extent
Russian and Chinese governments. 

The repetitious
passage of Patriot Acts, the repetitive treason of US
“presidents” and cabinet members, and the current
violations of the Transportation Security
Administration (TSA) all ties together to indicate
that the NAZI puppet government has long-since been
in place in the former USofA.

Mrs. Hillary Clinton, essentially her masters, have
specific plans for the biometric information she has
ordered to be collected on diplomats, who decline
membership in her covy,  Now that the Republican/CIA
front, “Newsmax.com” (HQ in Florida) has repeatedly
mentioned Jeb Bush in its headlines, one wonders if
the “Bush” Ranch has decided to introduce a Jeb
Bush/H. Clinton ticket to install behind the
interesting Kenyan, Mr. Hussein Obama. 

After all,
“Jeb” did a marvellous job of falsifying the 2004
presidential election in Florida, and has not been
incarcerated?  Perhaps the Bush ranch wishes to show
“Hillary” who the boss is ?

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By IceNine, December 2, 2010 at 4:22 am Link to this comment

McTN wrote:
“To justify spying on the U.N. by pointing out that Condi Rice of the Bush administration also did so is a rather remarkable viewpoint.  Perhaps President Obama should have just let Condi continue her job.”

The wholesale continuation and amplification by Obama’s administration of even the most egregious anti-democratic actions and policies of the Bush administration is way beyond discouraging, but also not unexpected. So, I agree with McTN here, but one might as well go ahead and say the rest of it: perhaps President Obama should have just let George Bush continue his job. And that would be to finish up the dismantling of of our American Democracy. Why didn’t he? Because, as we could not avoid learning during the Clinton presidency: it takes a Republican to set us up, but it takes a Democrat to really knock us down.

Although anyone who has been recently breathing and marginally conscious should understand by now that our government habitually lies to us, it is interesting to see a few of the details. Whether the WikiLeaks material will ultimately be useful, destructive, or of absolutely no consequence for those of us who know we are the peasants of the world remains to be seen. But if Mr. Assange intends to release this material in it’s entirety, my guess is he’d better get it done.

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By laurie becklund, December 2, 2010 at 3:56 am Link to this comment
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Salman Rushdie was asked out of the blue last night at the Los Angeles Library’s Aloud series what he thought of the Wiki leaks, and he gave a long, thinking-as-he-went response surprised a lot of people in the audience, given his history. He started out by saying how delighted he was to see exposed the hypocrisy of Arab rulers. Then, he hesitated. Having worked for several years with British agents who had helped protect him from Homeini, he said he himself was worried about unknown lives lost with blanket releases of raw intelligence. He described preserving agents’ anonymity as the single biggest challenge in writing his own memoir currently. One of the other points he made, not new maybe, but something that resonates with journalists, albeit by triangulation, is that if sources stop believing in U.S. promises of anonymity, the overall flow of intelligence is be threatened. His talk was worth downloading, btw, but not just for this answer..

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By Marshall, December 2, 2010 at 2:31 am Link to this comment

Hundreds of thousands of released documents later and all we have are some
unsurprising requests for information on foreign diplomats?  If anything, the leaks
so far have shown how close our private foreign policy is to our public foreign
policy.  I (facetiously) wonder if Assange had this positive outcome in mind?

And to Scheer’s argument that the Iraq war strengthened Iran I would say he’s
making a big assumption.  Iran’s been working on a nuclear bomb since before
the Iraq war and there’s an equally valid argument that Saddam’s presence would
have only sped up that process, sparked an even bigger arms race, or led to a far
larger war.  We can only know what happened, not what might have been.

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By plainsman, December 2, 2010 at 1:55 am Link to this comment

TAO Walker, who’s usually so spot on, should do a little bit of research. WikiLeaks is more likely misdirection on the part of the misdirected than a bona fide whistle blower website.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218758-SOTT-Exclusive-Who-precisely-is-attacking-the-world-

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218807-Wiki-Leaks-Serves-Israeli-Agenda-Of-Demonizing-Iran

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By SteveL, December 2, 2010 at 1:20 am Link to this comment

Fox gets away with outright lies and deceptions. WikiLeaks just posts
communications.  Some one explain what WikiLeaks has done to damage anyone. 
The U.S. government has way too many secrets and has gotten too used to having
them.  Long past time for a change.

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By john crandell, December 2, 2010 at 1:16 am Link to this comment

So, if Rham doesn’t succeed (or ain’t allowed) in becoming mayor, perhaps he can fly right back to D.C. and head up Barak’s Plumber’s Unit.

Yeah, tear the hell after that Wikileaks leaker. Send the submarines to Iceland! Order the USS Reagan to weigh anchor! Gee, maybe Pat Buchanan could get his old job back….

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By Peter Knopfler, December 2, 2010 at 12:48 am Link to this comment

I like most comments and for Hillory to order Bio-
metric information DNA, iris scan, poop test, urine
sample, IQ tests, and teeth xrays this is all for
Black mail and then send in Blackwater to muddy up
and buddy up and kill. OR to create a look alike and
plant some DNA to phoney up some charges to set you
up for extortion. next we will clone our enemies and
make the big switch, best puppet government. All
kinds of devious Clinton plans, lied White water, it
just keeps getting worse for that trailer park
thinking or no thinking, back to Arkansass, do the
OBAMA SHUFFLE. Going after Julian makes them all
stuck on stupid, again, truth the first casualty.

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By jsr, December 2, 2010 at 12:27 am Link to this comment

Thanks Robert, I indeed agree with you that the most
disturbing in those WikiLeaks documents is the
acknowledgement that the distinction between
diplomats and spies has been seriously crossed.

Having said that, I found quite interesting that so
many commentators adopt rather alternative views re:
Wikileaks. So interesting actually, that I’ve just
published an analysis of conspiracy theorists’ views
of WikiLeaks (makingsenseofthings.info). I hope it
can bring the debate further.

Cheers,

jsr

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By BR549, December 2, 2010 at 12:19 am Link to this comment

Psychobabbler,

Where do we sign up?

Personally, I think Assange should get a Nobel Peace Prize. So far he’s done more for humanity than any of the presidential douchebags we’ve had since and including Reagan right up through this Barry Soetoro clown. The Clintons, the Bushes, they’re all a bunch of sociopathic hegemonic liars.

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By glider, December 2, 2010 at 12:11 am Link to this comment

REDHORSE,

“Chomsky spoke the truth. The Clintons, Obama and their Wall Street strokers despise and fear Democracy. Boehner and his thugs even more so. It is obvious that American career politicians have abandoned America to pursue the cash dollar”

Yes, I think we can accurately say America is a Democracy for Dollars, rather than a Democracy for People.

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By Psychobabbler, December 1, 2010 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment

I like Mr. Assange.

America has been force feeding the world with internet (uncomfortably) with the sales pitch of freedom and democracy etc. etc.

It makes me smile to see our government uncomfortable about their privacy being violated.

If he his put in jail, I hope there will be blow-back.
I would be more than willing to participate.

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By McTN, December 1, 2010 at 10:11 pm Link to this comment

I thought Hillary Clinton’s press conference was patronizing and insulting. I know how diplomacy operates; I don’t need a lesson in that.

But I do wonder why this administration continues the policies and tactics of its predecessor?  I thought Obama defined his term as a departure from business as usual. I don’t see any departures; I see the same old, same old. I’m beginning to think that the outrage over the cables is more embarassment at being found out that the Bush and Obama administrations might have more in common than we thought.

To justify spying on the U.N. by pointing out that Condi Rice of the Bush administration also did so is a rather remarkable viewpoint.  Perhaps President Obama should have just let Condi continue her job.

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By radson, December 1, 2010 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

Wiki-Leaks and a six pack of beer :Well I popped a top and decided to read a little about these so called revelations ,which so far don’t seem to be revealing very much .In the process there was a video of another
Asspiring Presidential candidate by the name of Huckabee ,that wants Julian executed for some kind of treason even though he isn’t an American citizen .Now the robo -cops are searching for Mr. Assange apparently for some kind of sexual abuse charge that Leaked before Wiki leaked ,so does that mean that the case is thin .Now apparently Pres. Obama and Chancellor Merkel don’t get along that well ,well
neither does Westerwelle with well ,you know who ,and who gives a shit ,except maybe well Putin.The Arabian King wants to bomb Iran ,what’s the big news about that?there’s a shitload of religious zealots that are
advocating the same thing and hell the policy has been on ‘the table’ for how long now ;or does everyone have a short memory.Damn that first beer was good ,I’m on my third one now;ah yes the US is interested
in the Canadian TV episode called the ’ border’ ,now that’s what should be considered a leak ,really big , feel good news for Canada.

As far as standard diplomatic interactions go ITW pretty much summed it up and like he says there’s nothing special in the leaked cables with regards to business as usual .Amy Goodman’s interview with the editor
of the Guardian was interesting ,but especially her question concerning the origins of these leaks and the ensuing answer -that all this leakage-started with a junior non-commissioned soldier by the name of
Manning ;that had downloaded a flood of info unto his ‘Lady Gaga ’ cd -Really.Now apparently the ‘best’ stuff is yet to be leaked ,which ,pardon me I gota go for one hell of a leak -the beer was good.Does anyone
out there read about ‘piss eyes ’ that Georgian ape-like madman that would ocassionally test the loyalty of his followers before moving -on to other objectives ,well apparently Huckabee is a wannebe.

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By BR549, December 1, 2010 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

Patriot10101,
“88 percent of the world hates “democracy” and despises what the “leaders” of this nation have been doing to my countrymen for
decades!”

Actually, what that portion of the planet hates is OUR leaders trying to secretly take over the world and then hypocritically preaching
about “democracy”.

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By fearnotruth, December 1, 2010 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment


...never really any wine in the bag anyway…

Global Depleted Uranium Poisoning Effect… GLO-DUPE

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By TAO Walker, December 1, 2010 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

“It is a tale told by an idiot….full of sound and fury….signifying nothing.”—-Willy-the-Shake

Those who so cleverly booby-trapped the entire “global” apparatus, believing only the hapless masses would get caught in the blast zone, are being exposed now for the super-boobies they’ve always been….and of-course they don’t like it one little bit.  All they can do now is to vainly shovel (literally) tons of “money” into the damned thing, hoping to CONtain some of the destructive force, CONfine as much as possible of it to the third world….a sort of preemptive damage CONtrol.

“What fools these (wannabe im-)mortals be.”—-ibid

HokaHey!

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By drbhelthi, December 1, 2010 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

The linking of a few Mrs. Hillary Clinton dots, by
Mr. Sheer, reminds me of some scuttle-butt in certain
hallways, when the existence of the Red list and the
Blue list were leaked to the public, over ten years
ago.  A third list was reportedly compiled personally
by Hillary Clinton. 

The Clinton Body Count, http://www.akdart.com/body-c.html 
contains much information about deaths of
close acquaintances of W. & H. Clinton, over a
period of years.  An Arkansas lawyer friend pulled
into the Clinton Whitehouse staff, a Vince Foster,
was linked to William, while whispers linked him
personally to Hillary, and the birth of a certain
female baby.  Many persons, who remember these event-
ideas, are not listed in the Clinton body count, and are still alive. 
http://www.akdart.com/body-c.html#Foster 
reveals a spectrum of detail, all of
which was covered over by the “official report.”  The
detail indicates that Mr. Foster was very carefully
shot dead, then brought to the park and carefully
placed.  Similar to Dr. Kelly, defense adviser to
Tony Blair, who was murdered, then placed in woods
near his home.  Experienced U.S. Gov. employees at
all management levels know that such reports are
typically 30% - 60% “fairy tales.”  Sadly.  Since the
NAZI take-over, up to 100% “fairy tales.”

A notorious falsification of documents occurred 1945,
when Allen Dulles planned “Operation Paper Clip,”
then hired NAZI general Gehlin to transform the
Office of Strategic Services into the CIA.  Operation
Paper Clip officially ended 1947, but was furtively
continued into the 1950s, against directives of both
Truman and Eisenhower.  Falsifying the family
histories and passports of 200 German scientists,
initially, then almost 2,000 more, was perhaps the
initiation of wholesale document and report
falsification within the U.S. Government.  One may
conclude that Mrs. Hillary Clinton now carries the
“torch of deception and falsification.” 

Add “spying.”  But for whom?  And how does she get
away with the $2,000,000 donation to her election
campaign, without reporting it?

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By Leefeller, December 1, 2010 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

We need to worry about Israels sperm count, at this rate Israel will be outnumbered by Palestinian sperm counts and may be overwhelmed with sperm? 

Another leak like this and one will need to get their kidneys checked!

Why do I picture a leather bag full of wine, being shot at with a BB gun and the ass hole in charge is left holding an empty bag and we find out it was never really any wine in the bag anyway?

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By Leefeller, December 1, 2010 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

We need to worry about Israels sperm count, at this rate Israel will be outnumbered by Palestinian sperm counts and may be overwhelmed by sperm? 

Another leak like this and one should get their kidneys checked!

Why do I picture a leather bag full of wine, being shot at with a BB gun and the ass hole in charge is left holding an empty bag and we find out in the end, there was never really any wine in the bag anyway?

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By fearnotruth, December 1, 2010 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

RE: How about all the troops who have been lied to about the DU they have been
repeatedly exposed to,

Is there anything in the leaked docs. about DU poisoning?

the biggest cover up of all: http://www.countercurrents.org/king150410.htm

Israel’s Declining Sperm Quality Tied To Depleted Uranium Exposure

By Tim King

15 April, 2010
Salem-News.com

(TEL AVIV / SALEM) - Israel’s population is facing a dire threat: a drastic depopulation,
from the use of weapons that leave behind Depleted Uranium (DU). Depleted Uranium
leads to the word Omnicidal, as DU kills everything in the food chain, everywhere the
wind blows. Experts say the dramatic drop in Israel’s sperm count could eliminate their
ability to reproduce.

(excerpt)

Arun Shrivastava, a writer with the Centre for Research on Globalization, says this has
been known for some time.

“Admiral Bhagwat and I made our presentations at GNDU, Amritsar, in April 2008, social
workers among the audience came up and narrated some events that actually provide
hard enough evidence of DU contamination the entire North-western India. There was a
significant presence of top officers from the Indian Army.”

He says they are keenly aware of this silent weapon. “The security forces know what the
American and NATO soldiers have done to South and West Asians.”

According to Shrivastava, contamination of the total Indian population stands at over 300
million; the total West and South Asian population affected stands at least 900 million,
possibly more than a billion.

“None of these would complete their normal life. None of us will. This entire region will be
depopulated which is what the PTBs have in mind and they have set in motion processes
that can’t be stopped. No way,” Shrivastava said.

There is little question that this information has tremendous significance for the people
of Palestine and Gaza, although these unfortunate people might end up the same way as
the Israelis.

Reports from other West Asian countries are identical, Shrivastava says, “Both US and
NATO forces have committed genocide right in Asia. Our civilizations may never be the
same, may not be viable.”

It is important to note how overlooked this significant world problem truly is, and how
indicting it turns out to be. Shrivastava says it is also important to remember that the DU
is a result of military activity that is illegal under international law.

“Please note that the use of WMD is war crime. There are cases pending under ICCA
against three US Presidents and two British PMs and their entire cabinet. DU weapons are
WMDs; they are weapons of indiscriminate destruction and environmental
contamination….IN PERPETUITY.”

As Nichols states in his article, uranium oxide gas weapons are called “genocidal
weapons.”

“They maim and kill millions of people, their animals and their land. The actual
targets by the U.S. Expeditionary Forces are the populations of Central Asia and the
Middle East, about a billion people.”

Clearly, every ‘boot on the ground’ is bears a ‘casualty’ - Q: Who Benefits? A: THE GLOBAL
FINANCE OLIGARCHY

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By Leefeller, December 1, 2010 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

Interesting the guy naming ass holes for being ass holes gets served for being a name caller. Almost reminds me of rape victims being subjugated to humiliating reenactments and atrocities in court by the very animals who commuted the crime!

So far the only person who seems threatened is the whistle blower, we just cannot have this whistle blowing kind of stuff going around like this, it is uncontrollable like the flue!  If our fearless leaders need to do stuff like attacking Iraq because they want to, they should be allowed to do it, with no questions asked!  This sort of reminds me of religion, we must eat their gospel and choke on it!

It does not really matter anyway, I believe most of the American Public is ignorant beyond caring, I suspect we may be seeing a drop more caring when looking at the hand!....... or non issues like donuts ask and do tell, for all the poor happy fat Americans! Well we have a mercenary army supported by the ignorant masses, so the Bushes of Texas do not even have to join the Peace Corps!

Geese! .....I had a case of the wee’s, this reminds me I did not see Hedges article this week?

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By Wikileaks for Nobel, December 1, 2010 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment

I earnestly hope that the Wikileaks folks will be helped by as many people as possible—they, and efforts like them, are all that’s left of any real hope for democracy.  The conformists and militarists like things just the way they are (or have been). 

Ignorance is bliss…only for the ignorant.

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By jimch, December 1, 2010 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment

“The cables make a hash of claims that our invasion of Iraq—where al-Qaida could not operate when Saddam Hussein was in power—was helpful in the war on terror.”

I made that same statement BEFORE we invaded Iraq. I had sense enough to realize that Saddam’s and sons’ paranoia would never tolerate anyone with the iconic reputation of Osama bin Laden to enter their territory. Megalomania and suspicion were just too deep-seated in them as it is in nearly all dictators.

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By REDHORSE, December 1, 2010 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

52 million dollars in Heroin profits. And that was just the one cash shipment they caught.

    Our local High Schools are flooded with Heroin. Parent/Teacher conferences about the problem have been on the “News” here several times.

    In reality, no one cares. The Cops and the prison/industrial complex want Federal largesse and warm bodies to process. The D.A. and dope lawyers want careers and cash and the local “talking newsheads” need ad revenue and sensationalized filler to scare the public with pretended concern in order to justify the scam.

    Meanwhile the K-Street boys keep walkin’ those cash stuffed brief cases to the Capitol and the same sideshow thugs keep shouting cock-adoodle-do.

    Pick any hallmark of the social/financial disintegration and desperation now destroying American lives and it’s the same thugs and the same spin right down the line. It’s dark out. They’re about to release Casino Jack and our President is M.I.A.

    Chomsky spoke the truth. The Clintons, Obama and their Wall Street strokers despise and fear Democracy. Boehner and his thugs even more so. It is obvious that American career politicians have abandoned America to pursue the cash dollar and in the process joined hands with International criminals. In deals with the Devil, no matter what the terms, the Soul is always part of the bargain.

    A little light dispells a lot of darkness. The Truth is a powerful thing.  I hope Mr. Assange can take the heat. His life must be an inferno right now. Think the bankers are quaking? I hope they’re sweating blood. I’m sure Assange is. If we were all willing to take that kind of heat Democracy might stand a chance.

    REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT!! CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM NOW!!

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By JDmysticDJ, December 1, 2010 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

Patriot10101

Sorry, I know you mean well, but you are embarrassing yourself and others who hold vaguely similar views to yours. You are obviously a few bits short of a byte.

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By RayLan, December 1, 2010 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

@Go “In your best imagination that may be true.  But that is still your imagination.”
That truth and disclosure confounds criminals is well tested historically. Defending warmongers by claiming that exposing their crimes is bad for security not to mention the fake ideological excuses for the wars- is pure mythology.

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By Michael Shaw, December 1, 2010 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment
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Hillary Clinton should resign! What should also be pointed out is how the US State Department and the Israeli government used the department’s diplomatic communiques (exposed in wikileaks documents)to promote a lie, as pointed out by Noam Chomsky in Democracy Now. The lie being 70% of Arab countries consider Iran the major threat to Middle East stability. Of course that number is purely deceitful and only “polls” the Arab dictators our government keeps in power, not the opinions of the general Arab population, who in real polls consider Israel and the United States the greatest threats to stability in the region by a margin of 80% and 77% respectively. 57% feel exactly the same even if Iran had a nuclear weapon. But as Chomsky points out, our leadership is not interested in public opinion(either here or there), only those of dictators!

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/30/noam_chomsky_wikileaks_cables_reveal_profound

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By JDmysticDJ, December 1, 2010 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

“Open Covenants, Openly Arrived At,” is one of the 13 points Democratic President Woodrow Wilson offered, as a means of preventing another World War. The points never became U.S. Policy because Republicans objected to them. Unfortunately, today both of our major Political Parties reject Wilson’s points in favor of Realpolitik, and Machiavellian Theory. Today only a very small minority of principled idealists give credence to Wilson’s points.

Julian Assange may be tainted by criminal immoral behavior, or he may be the victim of a smear, but his actions are principled regarding the leaked documents. Principled idealists should say, “He may be a bastard, but at least he’s our [Principled] bastard.”

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By Go Right Young Man, December 1, 2010 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment

RayLan, - “Busting the warmongers with the unadulterated truth is a good thing and will confound their efforts not expand them.”

-

In your best imagination that may be true.  But that is still your imagination.

Are you truly so myopic that you can’t imagine the result of these (WikiLeak) crimes leading to more stringent secrecy and an expansion of war?  Is your elation over these crimes keeping you from reality?  The reality that you have no idea what unintended consequences will arise from these crimes of stolen materials?

The globe doesn’t turn on wishful thinking.

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By MeHere, December 1, 2010 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment

It’s hard to see either benefit or damage coming out of Wikileaks. What part of
these revelations or the forthcoming ones on a big bank and the pharmaceutical
industry are big news?  Journalists, reporters and other writers have been revealing facts about misguided/illegal government, militarty and business activities for the longest time. Deployed soldiers have been dealing with it all along. Since when has anything been embarrassing or damaging to those who hold absolute power?  Most of the public has been immune to it all and, as usual, will continue to believe what they want to believe. Perhaps these after-the fact leaks will be useful to historians. Other than that?

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By BR549, December 1, 2010 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,
Are we to understand that these these leaks are dangerous because lives are at stake? Hello, ........ are you serious?

How about all the troops who have been lied to about the DU they have been repeatedly exposed to, from Kosovo, Iraq, and now Afghanistan? Is that also included in your “collateral damage” assessment? With that logic, then, I suppose all those soldiers killed from all those nations, let alone the millions of innocents, are merely collateral damage to support our machiavellian foreign policy. Hmmm. Interesting.

Somehow, I think that the rest of the world’s population has been having these strange hallucinations that government leaders and diplomats were doing something different than paving the road to hell.

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By Leefeller, December 1, 2010 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

The obvious requires leaks to make the obvious harder to ignore!

Most of all this leaking stuff has mostly seemed obvious to me, of course how would one know what in hell Hilliary ordered for her lunch,..... nevertheless that Hilliary ordered spying? (maybe she hoped it would not work?)

Lets see; with high marks in never ending consistency, those in charge are known as the normal idiots in charge, one must provide additional higher marks for their constant lack of integrity and accountability, after all they are well paid idiots and paid for their consistency not their honesty!

If the leaks make them scamper like rats at a New York Taco Bell so be it, (the fun is in the watching), though catching a rat and prosecuting a rat may be two different things.

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By balkas, December 1, 2010 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

well, wikileaks, embarrassed individuals, come and go, but u.s in-thought remains
the same.
the end goal: grab much land anyway u can; the limit is not even the planet—the
limit is smwhere in the sky.
‘silly’ or shamed politicos wld be well rewarded; replaced with egzact same in-
thought people.

but when had supremacism ever had limitations? roman, greek, akkadian, french,
u.k, german failed but the modern one, united in one big happy mafioso family,
wld not fail; unless the present mafia is confronted with an antipodal mafia. tnx

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By RayLan, December 1, 2010 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

@go
“These crimes of stealing and disseminating confidential information may very well extend and expand today’s wars.”
The wars are crimes - gimme a break about hypocrisy- there is nothing to rationalize - crimes need secrecy.
Busting the warmongers with the unadulterated truth is a good thing and will confound their efforts not expand them.

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By Go Right Young Man, December 1, 2010 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

RayLan,

Apparently you are able to rationalize your hypocrisy.

These crimes of stealing and disseminating confidential information may very well extend and expand today’s wars.  But that’s O.K..  These thefts and collateral damage is for “a good cause”, yes?

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By Robert, December 1, 2010 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Interview With Noam Chomsky

Posted November 30, 2010

Noam Chomsky: WikiLeaks Cables Reveal “Profound Hatred for Democracy on the Part of Our Political Leadership”

“I think we should pay attention to what we learn from the leaks. What we learned, for example, is kinds of things I’ve said. Perhaps the most dramatic revelation, or mention, is the bitter hatred of democracy that is revealed both by the U.S. Government – Hillary Clinton, others – and also by the diplomatic service.

To tell the world– well, they’re talking to each other- to pretend to each other that the Arab world regards Iran as the major threat and wants the U.S. to bomb Iran, is extremely revealing, when they know that approximately 80% of Arab opinion regards the U.S. and Israel as the major threat, 10% regard Iran as the major threat, and a majority, 57%, think the region would be better off with Iranian nuclear weapons as a kind of deterrent. That is does not even enter. All that enters is what they claim has been said by Arab dictators – brutal Arab dictators. That is what counts.

How representative this is of what they say, we don’t know, because we do not know what the filtering is. But that’s a minor point. But the major point is that the population is irrelevant. All that matters is the opinions of the dictators that we support. If they were to back us, that is the Arab world. That is a very revealing picture of the mentality of U.S. political leadership and, presumably, the lead opinion, judging by the commentary that’s appeared here, that’s the way it has been presented in the press as well. It does not matter with the Arabs believe.

~~~~~~~~~

Click on link for the rest:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26951.htm

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By dcrimso, December 1, 2010 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

Iran’s nuclear program will be taken out sometime late summer 2011 so Obama can get re-elected because the economy will still be in the tank.

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By yrscrewed, December 1, 2010 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

Did you hear about the “Snuke” in Hilary Clinton? One could only wish. 
What a bunch of Dumb Mother******s.  Now go out and continue playing. 

When you elect imbeciles, your results are guaranteed to be what you would expect from that class. 

Our government is full of imbeciles.

To bad the American people used to be stupid, now stupid is to intelligent for them.

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By BR549, December 1, 2010 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

tedmurphy41, December 1 at 1:55 pm

“What should be done by President Obama over the head of Hilary Clinton, who is proving to be as much a liability for America as these disclosures, is to put an end to this underhand and unbecoming behaviour of such a prestigious and powerful State as the USA, and put in a transparent and honourable foreign policy that cannot be leaked.”

A M E N !!!
God forbid that we might get people in the diplomatic service who actually were the diplomats we all thought they were. No, instead, we get more of the same ole same ole and the caliber of our governance begins to look like Hillary; an unflushed toilet.

Imagine what the foreign perception of our country would be like if our legislature and government figures had the mindset of John Haglun. Imagine where we might be today if we had turned the Pentagon into an international holistic research center and our defense budget was spent on developing the mind of mankind instead of destroying it. Rather than try to homogenize the mass of cultures to make it easier for the bankers to control them, we should be encouraging enclaves to re-embrace their unique cultural differences along with tolerance of all around them. All our leaders have done so far is show us how quickly the soul of man can get reduced to that of a maggot.

It takes really negative people to turn Earth into hell. God gives us a paradise and they can’t stand it when anyone actually enjoys and appreciates the beauty of it all. All they, including our leaders and august members of our legislature, manage to do is crap in their own kitchen ....... Hillary is a perfect example of that.

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By RayLan, December 1, 2010 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

@Go Right Young Man,
Apparently the irony of claiming ‘collateral damage’ is too subtle for you. A lot more innocent people have been killed by the wars than Wikileaks under the same rubric of ‘collateral damage’. therein lie the lies

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By Go Right Young Man, December 1, 2010 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

- Julian Assange recently told the New Yorker he understands that innocent people may be killed by his disclosures (“collateral damage” he called them) and that WikiLeaks might get “blood on our hands.” 

Hypocrites.

Break the law for some perceived -I stress perceived- conservative cause and almost every comment on this Web space is calling for prosecution and jail time.  Break the law for some perceived liberal cause and one is a hero.

TruthDig.  Hypocrisy at it’s fullest…..LOL

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By QuantumBubbler, December 1, 2010 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

“Hydrogen bombs are bigger than atomic bombs, have you upgraded your shelter?”

Since I posted the above scary statement I realized it is a nightmare insinuating from a past I share with many others of my generation who survived the cold war, but of course, we are wounded.

I am now beginning consistent memetic activities to ameliorate current quantum frequencies/counter-frequencies which have been disturbed by the exposed ‘liberal “but” crack’...

Do not stay tuned for further messages. Fear not! (But do stock up on food like scary Glenn Beck said yesterday)

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By Inherit The Wind, December 1, 2010 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

Scheer usually has a better understanding of what’s going on.  The key, the ABSOLUTE key, however, to his article, is his lucid point that all our efforts in that region, particularly Iraq, have strengthened Iran, and, what he doesn’t say, strengthened the position of the hard-liners within Iran.  The rest is all bullshit that’s unimportant.  If Sarkozy and Berlusconi and King Abdullah don’t know that the US Dept of State and every other foreign service is always doing complete assessments of their strengths and weaknesses with no punches pulled, they need to replace their advisers.  No apology should be necessary.

But diplomats engaged in spying?  Horrors!  Of COURSE diplomats engage in spying, but they usually have plausible deniabilty.  Hasn’t anyone on the Left ever read Sun-Tzu?  It was practically the BIBLE to the KGB and the Soviet foreign ministry.

If you don’t expect our diplomatic missions to engage in espionage you are a naive idiot.  Saying diplomatic missions shouldn’t engage in espionage is like saying soldiers shouldn’t be issued bullets—because the other side’s guys have them. Everybody in every country knows it, and knows that the trick is not to be too blatant about it, and to have “separation” between the diplomats and the embassy’s intelligence staff.  Someone goes too far and, if they have immunity, they are declared “persona non grata” and must leave the country.  That’s the way it works.

Clinton is posturing because that’s what political leaders do when they are caught with their diplomatic pants down. I have yet to see or hear about one single piece of info released that is compromising our national security. It may be embarrassing, but if you don’t have a thick skin, retire.

But, unfortunately, even a smart man like Scheer has run into his limitations with this.

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By RayLan, December 1, 2010 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

Egg on the face of Us Foreign Policy - it’s a no brainer that they’re going to divert attention by claiming it’s an unaccepable threat to lives of soldiers and security.
Uhhh- war is a threat to the soldiers lives who are fighting for fake causes. Stirring up those hornet’s nests is what threatens our security. I’m tickled that the warmongers have been exposed for the liars and exploiters that they are- the leaks are only a threat to those jackasses as they hee haw away about security.

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By Philip Toal, December 1, 2010 at 9:19 am Link to this comment
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The next Wikileaks episode will contain information on what role the banks and
corp. structure play in this. I anticipate this will be the firecracker that will lite up
everything, political serfs and all. The politicians and their ilk are for now, a mere
temporary expedient compared to the future surprise.
At halloween when I was a child, my father always left the best fireworks till later
on - Julian is merely warming-up.

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By surfnow, December 1, 2010 at 9:18 am Link to this comment

You need anymore proof of how upside down and twisted the Amerikan mindset has become? Conduct brutal, immoral and illegal wars that kill and displace millions, destroy the Constitution, and bury the economy and we don’t have a problem with the perpetrators of these crimes- but tell the truth about the lies behind them and YOU’RE the criminal. How insane are we? By the way, FIFYGIGS- why not visit Ann Coulter’s or Glenn Becks websites- that’s where you belong

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By QuantumBubbler, December 1, 2010 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

A foreign policy that does not require ‘secrets’. Therefore, understandable. It might even work. The current one is failing big-time! But that’s ok to the Progressives, I see… oh well…

Hydrogen bombs are bigger than atomic bombs, have you upgraded your shelter?

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By tedmurphy41, December 1, 2010 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

Talk about shooting the messenger.
What should be done by President Obama over the head of Hilary Clinton, who is proving to be as much a liability for America as these disclosures, is to put an end to this underhand and unbecoming behaviour of such a prestigious and powerful State as the USA, and put in a transparent and honourable foreign policy that cannot be leaked.

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By FiftyGigs, December 1, 2010 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

Leave it to Scheer to take the cheap shot, falling for WikiLeaks hook, line, and sinker.

The “obvious truth” of thousands of random cables, lacking context, background, purpose, and resolution is a given to him.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

According to progressives, the United States government is a bungling, inept, lying, thieving, not-to-be-trusted bunch of Keystone Kops ... unless it’s Monday and you have a cache of “secrets”.

Then, every word has an obvious meaning and intent, the action of purposeful, unified, concerted federal foreign policy action.

So, let’s see, the conclusion then is that the federal government masterfully manages multiple campaigns against foreign governments around the world ... but buckles to John Boehner.

Reader, check your wallet.

The truth is we don’t know where these came from, why they were written, the purpose they were meant to serve, or the function they actually served. They no more “reveal” the truth about anybody or anything than the leaked emails behind the creation of the banner ad on this web page for “Holiday Scheer - Buy The Pornography Of Power”.

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By QuantumBubbler, December 1, 2010 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

“Secrets” are the progenitor of “lies to the people”.

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By JohannG, December 1, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

More transparency means more accountability. This is
not something our elected officials like very much.
Hence the whining. Wikileaks was right to publish this
info and every tax payer should have a basic
understanding what is done in her name and with her tax
dollars. That Ms. Clinton supported her predecessor’s
practice of encouraging diplomatic spying is another
example of the kind of “Change” that Mr. Obama brought
to the White House.

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By madisolation, December 1, 2010 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

“The spying effort derived from concern that U.N. rapporteurs might unearth embarrassing details about the U.S. treatment of prisoners in Guantánamo as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
And there it is. The reason for Hillary’s devious, creepy policy is that they don’t want the world to see what goes on in the dark prisons they build all over the world. What a joke this whole administration has become. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are big, tough, torturing leaders…except when their dirty underwear is shown to the world. Then they backtrack and run around like chickens with their heads cuts off, squawking: “Kill the messenger!”. May they be even more exposed in the future.

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By clipper, December 1, 2010 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

It certainly sounds suspicious that Hillery is tergeted and not Bush or his regime? If a Bush was in office the CIA would not have allowed Assange to release anything.

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By glider, December 1, 2010 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

loki686,
Are you claim to know that there are no FBI agents posing as diplomats?  And how would you know this?

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By glider, December 1, 2010 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

We have an out of control MIC and corrupt undemocratic U.S. government. Modifying their bad behavior would never be considered unless it is forced down their throats.  Since our media has been largely destroyed this will not occur.  The primary response therefore will be to kill the messenger, spin the news cycle interpretation away from the damaging bits, and use the security breach as an excuse to further clamp down on individual freedoms and rights.  In spite of that Julian is a hero for helping us scream out loud at the criminality.

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By loki686, December 1, 2010 at 7:07 am Link to this comment

kerryrose- Okay, then. Why don’t we try taking our meds today?

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By kerryrose, December 1, 2010 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

The reality that is not shared through the cables is that the ‘diplomats’ who are spying are actually undercover FBI agents.  They ‘answer’ to Clinton symbolically only.  She does not call the shots with them or direct them.  That is all done through the FBI.

The cables are not Top Secret because they do not let this particular cat out of the bag.  The FBI has been spying in the UN for at least 15years.  That is when my brother went undercover as an agent there.

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