Geeze mention Zionist and TD3 pops out of the heater vent like one of the little sisters in Bioshock, but with two thirds less personality.

Guess it may be time to drag out the old MacZionist song again?

Why don’t you clowns…... just say the J. word?

LocalHero, March 2 at 11:00 pm – you wouldn’t mind telling what
liberty(ies) you personally do not have in the US, would you?

So what else is new? No country on the face of the earth is a bigger bane to liberty as the US (assisted, of course, by its evil little brother, Israel) and its only been that way for 200 years. Seems like somebody would eventually notice.

I’m not the guy with the wacko (or should I say “quacko” ) conspiracy fantasies.

Did I hear someone who claims to be a doctor quacking? I sure did!

“Do you ever dare to
look yourself in the mirror, and sincerely ask
yourself,
“JUST WHOSE PIMP AM I ?” “

Yup. Sure did. And the answer is NOBODY’S!

Whose pimp are you?

Quack! Quack! Quack! Anyone for duck soup?

Truedigger3

“Did I… hollered”?

I didn’t hollered then, but I’m holleredering now.

Re: By JDmysticDJ, February 14 at 7:28 pm,

JDmysticDJ wrote addressing me:
(Incidentally, even simple minded jerks, can spell suspicions and achieve.)
—————————————————————-

JDmysticDJ,

Super Great. You caught me in spelling and typing errors. Do you feel better now? Did you thump your chest with your two fists and hollered?.
OKAY. Now, Get Lost, IDIOT.

By truedigger3, February 13 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Re: By Inherit The Wind, February 13 at 4:55 am

The arch Zionist, ITW who adores Israel, is happy about and supports the so called “Egyptian Revolution”.

That intensifies my misgivings and suspecions about that so called revolution, that in the long run, if things proceeded according to plan, that so called “revolution” will be beneficial to Israel and help Israel achive its territorial objectives in the Middle East.

————————————————————————-

You seem to be aggravating the problem to me. Is your hatred of ITW so strong that you will condemn the aspirations of the Egyptian people for democracy?

ITW an arch Zionist? I must have missed something.

C’mon admit it; you’re a simple minded jerk. Confession is good for the soul.

I’ll continue to defend Obama, where that defense is warranted.

(Incidentally, even simple minded jerks, can spell suspicions and achieve.)

“I’ve never seem more crackpot closed-minded fools than
MDs who think they know it all.” = inherit the wind (naturally)

Then there are the folk without doctorates whose blogs
portray their perception that they are correct on all
issues, and possess a sort of omniscience. Some of
whose blogs consistently reflect israeli-zionist
prejudice, rather than omniscience. Do you ever dare to
look yourself in the mirror, and sincerely ask
yourself,
“JUST WHOSE PIMP AM I ?”

By JDmysticDJ, February 14 at 11:18 am

“Expecting that Israelis vacate what was formerly Palestine doesn’t seem like a rational expectation to me. Aggravating the conflict, rather than trying to resolve the conflict, seems to me to lack any semblance to profundity.

If you were to admit that you are a wrong headed simple minded jerk; now that would be memorable.”
—————————————————-
JDmysticDJ the IDIOT,

Where in any of my previous posts, in different threads, or in my posts in this thread, that I demanded that the Israelis vacate what was formely Palestine.
I know it is too late for that and I don’t need a JERK like you to point that to me.
What is demanded right now from the Israelis is to STOP EXPANDING and negotiate in GOOD FAITH wiht the Palestinians about establishing a VIABLE Palestinian State and pay compensations to the Palestinians for their stolen land and properties.
It is better for you to return to your roots, and back defending your beloved Obama, and finding excuses for him.

Why do so many medical doctors think that their MD makes them immediately omniscient on every subject under the sun?  That they are instant experts on health care (Surprise! Not!), health insurance and financing (Surprise!Not!), management, the stock market and foreign relations? I’ve never seem more crackpot closed-minded fools than MDs who think they know it all. You think Obama is born someplace other than the US (ie, Hawaii)? PROVE IT! (you can’t. There’s as much evidence that he was born in Hawaii as there is that YOU were born wherever…)

And doctors wonder why people hate doctors….

I doubt the right argues and bikers in the same vane or degree as the left. Simply because the right appears to have been cloned from the same womb and any capability of individual logic appears absent.

“Conning the masses with fears of a foreign enemy is a political art form in Egypt going back to the pharaohs, but this time, perhaps thanks to new empowering technology, or just too much suffering, it is not working.”

The oppression and discontent seemingly displayed coming from Egypt looks very similar to our own here in the USA. Fear as Sheer comments on in the above quote is a main course used with the regularity by our own government. If one looks back in history this same fear has been used by those in power, since the dawn of time. Wonder what the percentage fear of reality to illusion history would show? Whats the old saying about crying wolf and about the fox in the hen house?

It would be exciting if Egypt evolves into something great once again, a shining beacon, an example of the success of power in the people.  I will remain skeptical until the dust settles. One cannot even imagine the power struggles over direction and influence happening right now in Egypt, the manipulations from within and without!

Lets hope Egypt evolves into something more palatable than say Mexico,..... maybe more like France sans the attitude. Like the French the Egyptian people have taken a stand when push comes to shove?

It’s apparent that a motorcycle can write, but it can neither read nor reason.

The best military is none. The next best is a military comprised of everyone.

America’s all volunteer professional military doesn’t protect people, or defend a national need. It services the global corporate state’s expansionist desire. It’s a product of the sustainable fascism that the corporate party collaboration of liberal Democrats with conservative Republicans has produced. That fascism has long rewarded its “intelligent” Blackshirt liberals much better than its “ignorant” Brownshirt conservatives.

WARNING: Past privilege is no guarantee of future privilege… past dominance is no guarantee of future existence.

Mr. Cyr again shows he lives within his own little world.

Those actually in the Left respectfully recognize that it was the resolute will of the Vietnamese people to resist invasion and occupation that forced the Americans to end their war of aggression there.

Yes , the heroic and resolute struggle of a people who had been fighting one enemy or another for a thousand years or so should not be overlooked. Nor should the heroic efforts of the thousands who marched and were subjected to the brutal retaliations of the police yet marched again the next day be overlooked either.

In the 60’s, liberals revolted against the Selective Service System because it wasn’t selective enough… it selected some nice white liberal kids who weren’t above average. Liberals consider all liberals to be exceptional, so they considered it outrageous that any liberals would be drafted.

The growing resistance to that war stemmed, at least in part, from the fact that so many families were affected by the draft. Your supercillious nonesense about “liberals being drafted” only clouds the issue, makes debate an impossibility and shows plainly what a jackwagon you are.

The all volunteer military was the gift the corporate state gave to liberals because Boomer liberals demonstrated that they were devoted to voting for the corporate party’s Democrat faction that created the JFK School of America’s to provide foreign exchange students a higher education in torture and repression, and the Special Forces to exterminate people’s “insurgencies” that resist U.S. domination; and because liberals demonstrated that they were dedicated to supporting the corporate party’s Democrat faction used to eliminate the potential for democracy to develop in “Land of the Free” America, by moderating or exterminating any and every movement from the Left that rises.

The all volunteer army was a product of the fear those in charge had of another domestic Vietnam protest, spreading untuil we forced them to leave innocent peoples alone.

Methinks that the worms in your head would necessitate leaving you alone as well, just like you are in your private life I strongly suspect.

Ending the draft ended seriously sizable militant resistance to America’s continued participation in wars of aggression. Only a dedicated fascist could take comfort in that result.

Yes, exactly, thus you contradict your own damn post. What a squirrel you must be. Now you admit that having a draft would be an impetus to protests. Can you not at least keep your bullshite straight?

The issue of “democracy” in Egypt is as much filled with propaganda as the media reports
of the U.S. “oligarchy,” that is prostituting the U.S. military to destroy the
infrastructures of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, including limited genocide of indigenous
folk. That a “google marketing manager” briefed a handful of U.S. officials on the
“progress” in removing Mubarek, is to me, significant.  Similarly, that comrade Obama was
instructed to send- or was informed that- a U.S. flotilla with a U.S. marine contingent
had been sent to the area.  Which machine is now headed for Iran via Egypt.

Kenyan, Mr. B.H. Obama more recently mouthed “military support” to the existing “regime”
in Egypt. While the U.S. Constitution disqualifies him for the U.S. Presidency.  However,
Mr. Obama is not responsible for the failure of his parents to acquire a valid birth
certificate for him. Nor can he be debited for his pillar to post developmental history. 
However, he is responsible for the last twenty-four years of having been pawned.  Although
breaking with the CIA could have been a death sentence for him. 

Reminds me of a dear friend of fifty years, who “got ones rocks off” simply by saying, “I
take my orders from the U.S. President.”  Although not accurate, mouthing this saying gave
a feeling of importance. Who might have lived into the nineties, had twenty years of Dr.
Josef Mengele, Monsanto-type, statin drugs, not slowly ground natural health and the
immune system to death.  Former astronaut, Duane Graveline clarifies statin drugs on his
website.

Similarly, the propaganda and opinions that suppress the value of recent WikiLeaks
revelations.  Similarly, that an alleged, former “partner” of Mr. Julian Assange had a
publication in the works, which publication attempts to discredit Mr. Assange via
character assassination. Scapegoating and character assassination. Tools of the Israeli
tribe, more recently, the NAZI element of the CIA and their partners in crime, the MOSSAD. 
Plus millions of individuals who scapegoat in order to increase their feeling of
importance.   

The “germanic” family name of which alleged “partner” of Mr. Assange is found neither in
telephone directories in Germany nor America.  However, the “media,” including Truthdig,
has carefully identified the leader of the “Egyptian Uprising” to be an “Egyptian.”  A
“marketing manager” for google.  “Google.”  Which the CIA “bought” into in 2009. Google,
from whose listings, “secret” revelations increasingly disappear, or are altered beyond
importance.

Truedigger3

Am I responding to the person I think I am? Are you the person I once said had never offered anything profound here on truthdig? I’m having trouble remembering, I think it was you who I said was unmemorable, but I’m not sure, I’m having trouble remembering.

We can’t go back and relive history. We can’t go back to 1870 when the Zionist movement began, any more than we can go back to 1492 when Columbus sailed the ocean blue. We can’t go back to 1932, and we can’t go back to pre-1944 days when Jewish immigration to the U.S. was severely restricted. We can’t go back to 1948, or even to 1967.

Life isn’t fair, it is what it is. Going forward, the best we can do is to seek peace and justice in the Middle East. Opposing the injustice of Israeli Government policies in the Middle East seems to be the best course of action for rational people to pursue. Expecting that Israelis vacate what was formerly Palestine doesn’t seem like a rational expectation to me. Aggravating the conflict, rather than trying to resolve the conflict, seems to me to lack any semblance to profundity.

If you were to admit that you are a wrong headed simple minded jerk; now that would be memorable.

What is most interesting, though predictable, the response of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton: to support Mubarek, now to support Suleiman.  It is interesting because it continues to demonstrate how committed US leaders are to failed policies, policies that belie our vaunted ideals and tell the world and our own people how little they can trust President Obama with their and their children’s future.

If ever I find it possible that and find myself in agreement with someone whom I find disagreeably obnoxious, it must be my ignorance and social retardation that demands I suspend my minuscule marginalization of reason and support my introverted stupidity just heroes in the party of no.

TD3,

I’ve long-contended that you were the slow kid allowed to tag along with “The Contingent”. Yet again you prove it calling ME an “Arch-Zionist”.  You act like such an asshole it hardly seems worth it explaining that an “Arch-Zionist” is one of those who wants to see Israel expand and take over “Greater Sumeria”, to push the Palestinians out of the West Bank and Gaza, tear down the Dome of the Rock, expel any non-Jew from Israeli citizenship, and define who is a Jew solely by the dictates of Ashkanazic Chasidic tyranny.

Since I have NEVER advocated any of those things, and in fact oppose them, but merely support the continued existence of Israel, to describe me as an “Ultra-Zionist” shows you to have the equivalent mentality of either a hard-core Jew-hater, or a moron—or both. 

In any case you clearly lack the ability to make a logical analysis based on facts, but instead simply hurl expletives as that was a rational argument.

Unlike me, who can show, point by point, why your name-calling allows rationally to infer your inferior intelligence.

You are the moral equivalent of an ignorant racist redneck.

Re: By Inherit The Wind, February 13 at 4:55 am

The arch Zionist, ITW who adores Israel, is happy about and supports the so called “Egyptian Revolution”.
That intensifies my misgivings and suspecions about that so called revolution, that in the long run, if things proceeded according to plan, that so called “revolution” will be beneficial to Israel and help Israel achive its territorial objectives in the Middle East.
I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but as the adage says: TIME WILL TELL.
Egypt has a history of more than 6000 years as a state, and that gives its people, no matter how simple and poor they are, almost a mythical edge, and that gives me a great hope, that Egypt will come out OK from this evil mess.

QUOTE (of an avatar, being a motorcycle):

“Most on the left, I suspect, find that the draft was a major factor in ending the Vietnam War”
____________

Those actually in the Left respectfully recognize that it was the resolute will of the Vietnamese people to resist invasion and occupation that forced the Americans to end their war of aggression there.

In the 60’s, liberals revolted against the Selective Service System because it wasn’t selective enough… it selected some nice white liberal kids who weren’t above average. Liberals consider all liberals to be exceptional, so they considered it outrageous that any liberals would be drafted.

The all volunteer military was the gift the corporate state gave to liberals because Boomer liberals demonstrated that they were devoted to voting for the corporate party’s Democrat faction that created the JFK School of America’s to provide foreign exchange students a higher education in torture and repression, and the Special Forces to exterminate people’s “insurgencies” that resist U.S. domination; and because liberals demonstrated that they were dedicated to supporting the corporate party’s Democrat faction used to eliminate the potential for democracy to develop in “Land of the Free” America, by moderating or exterminating any and every movement from the Left that rises.

Ending the draft ended seriously sizable militant resistance to America’s continued participation in wars of aggression. Only a dedicated fascist could take comfort in that result.

David J. Cyr, February 13 at 2:19 pm

The more you post the less you speak to truth or fact. Most on the left, I suspect, find that the draft was a major factor in ending the Vietnam War, as it drew all families into the debate. That said draft has been avoided ever since is proof positive that your words condemning “liberals” for its absence are in line with most of what you post here, out of touch, out of control and possibly indicative of one who is out of his mind.

QUOTE: (of an avatar… offering its beneficiaries a fart):

“He [Mubarak] didn’t consider that since every Egyptian male must serve in the Army, many on the streets had ties to the soldiers who weren’t going to fire on their comrades for demanding what everyone wants.”
____________

I have always contended that anyone actually opposed to wars of aggression would insist that, if their is a military, then it should be a universal citizen soldier military (everyone serves, no one exempted).

However, liberals abhor universal conscription. For their reliably ignoble service to it, the corporate state rewarded liberals with the all volunteer military they desired. Liberals prefer military service to be performed only by society’s most oppressed people who haven’t any other opportunity, and by those who enjoy having a license to kill. It’s easy for privileged liberals to weather wars of perpetual aggression for corporate profit, when they can casually purchase shares in those profits without any requirement that they have any personal risk or sacrifice.

Liberals are apparently so comfortable in the lap of the World’s preeminent fascist state that it doesn’t concern them that an all volunteer military (prone to dissociate itself from the citizenry) is much more likely to murder unarmed peaceful demonstrators in a period of civil unrest, whether ordered to do so or not.

Even American avatars have the arrogance to assume they know what “everyone” wants.

I must it’s rather odd to find myself on such a thread, in nearly total agreement with Arabian Sinbad.

This has been the most amazing peaceful revolution since India tossed out the British!  And that it happened in Egypt so long described as the hotbed of Islamist radicalism, going back to Nasser’s days.

What is really clear is that this is not about America, Israel, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Socialism, Capitalism, Pan-Arabism.

It is about people getting sick and tired and moving in a way that makes resistance by the regime impossible.  Even Mubarak, who has survived for 30 years by read the signs and omens correctly failed miserably.

Here’s my analysis: Mubarak played all his cards to get enough military and police support (he thought) to be able to turn over his powers (mostly) and retain his position. This was obviously with the intent to do A LOT of maneuvering among the channels of power with the to regaining power and control.  This is how the game is played among aristocracy in Egypt, or York-Lancaster England, or Medieval Japan, or China in the Warring States period.

But none of those ever considered a groundswell of millions enraged, yet STILL peaceful. Neither did Mubarak.  He didn’t consider that since every Egyptian male must serve in the Army, many on the streets had ties to the soldiers who weren’t going to fire on their comrades for demanding what everyone wants.  Mubarak missed the power of The Wave while he was playing games over who gets to steer the tugboat.  It washed him away.

I wish the Egyptian people well.

While many Egyptians (and others vicariously throughout the CONfines of the “global” maximum security regime) are wallowing deliriously in the intoxicating euphoria of replacing reign-of-terror apparatchiks Mubarak et al with a junta of the Egyptian military’s “high command,” the-usual-suspects (behind the curtain behind the crooks behind the cops behind the eight-ball) have been coldly calculating how best to exploit (for “family” fun and private profit) the aftermath of yet another stage-managed “democratic revolution.”  Meantime, the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth goes along The Way irrespective of the “self”- and ethno- and homo-centric pipe-dreams and ambitions indulged-in by variously-sized random collections of domesticated “individuals.”

She will be purged of all the debilitating effects of the “civilization” disease process, in the Great Ceremony of Purification, and She will get on with Her Whole Life free of further interference from the retro-viral tormenting ‘entity’ and its co-opted two-legged components of Her immune system.  It’s sure much too soon to tell whether the supposedly “organic” character attributed by many of TV’s talking-heads to the “uprising,” among some (but by no means all) of the inmates of its Egyptian cell-block, is really genuine….or if it is merely more clever misdirection and manipulation by the owner/operators of the command-and-CONtrol apparatus.

Will Egyptians, and their “national”-ized fellah ‘n’ gal captives everywhere (including theamericanpeople in the bankrupt U.S.S.A), be satisfied with the counterfeit “freedom” of pretending to pick their “leaders,”?  Or will they realize that genuine ORGANic freedom means not having to put-up with “leaders” at-all….and that all cheap imitation plastics substitutes for that are much-sooner-than-later lethal to all enthralled?

The only abiding Natural Ground for Human Freedom is in the Living Virtue of our Organic Functional Integrity.

HokaHey!

Predictions, predictions.

I wonder if six months from now, Truthdig will want to withdraw its
truthdigger of the week award from Egyptian Wael Ghonim, the “- - Google
Inc. marketing manager who was a key organizer of the online campaign
that sparked the first protest on Jan. 25 - -.” 
A marketing manager for google, organizing a protest against essentially
the dictator head of the Egyptian government?  More information about
“his employment” will be slowly revealed.

The “new,” “democratic” government of Egypt?  History typically repeats
itself, or rather, humans typically learn poorly - if at all- from
experience, and repeat their dumbidity, which is recorded and becomes
historical record. Thus, I shall not hold my breath awaiting a “google
marketing manager” to report, in two weeks, or two months, or two years,
how wonderful the new democratic government is working. We will understand it better if the USGov transfers a military contingency to Egypt within six months, and establishes a military post by end of 2011.

I wonder which mid-eastern nation will be Mr. Wael Ghonim´s next assignment in which to “market google” - - ?

Regarding truedigger——

I thought that trolls usually hung out under bridges, not tunnels, and thus had no need to be a truedigger.

Alan MacDonald

By ardee, February 12 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

truedigger3, February 12 at 5:23 am

You might spend a bit of time learning about that which you so stridently preach.

The Muslim Brotherhood has forsworn violence and elected to work within the system
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adree,
I lived in Egypt quite sometime and I know the language fairly well, and yes, that was almost 45 years ago, but neither the language nor the culture changed that much. In short, I know Egypt and I know what I am talking about.
The Muslim Brotherhood has forsworen violence, because, for now, they don’t need it and it is not “politically correct”!!. Big part of the Egyptian population, are simple very religious people, with little or no education, who are easily influenced by religious rhetoric and sloganism, and the Muslim Brotherhood is an excellent expert in using religious rhetoric and sloganism and that will give it an edge in any election.
The Muslim Brotherhood objective is to establish an Islamic Theorcracy in Egypt. In that theorcracy, non Muslims and women will not have rights and status equal to that of Muslim men in all walks of life, and that is the undisputd fact.
In a Muslim Theocracy, adultry is punished by stonning and stealin is punished by cutting the hand.
Within the Muslim Brotherhood, there are factions with extreme nonfriendly ideas about non-Muslims and women.
What will happen in Egypt, I think will be a carbon copy of what happened in Iran, when the US stabbed the Shah of Iran in the back and helped bring those Medievial Mullahs and Ayatalahs to power. Ha,
did the Iranian people get freedom and democracy??!!

adree also wrote:
“If your somewhat confusing rant implies that the USA might want an extremist group in charge of Egypt in order to foment unrest in that region thus necessitating a continuation, or an increase actually, in our troop presence there, then that is what you should have said.
—————————————————
adree,
I didn’t say that in my “confusing rant”, because I though it was evident and implied, but yes, what you stated is close to what I wanted to say and I add, in that “unrest in the region”, Israel might get more chunks of lands from its neighbors, for example, part or the whole of Sinai Pennensula of Egypt!!!!
Egypt only hope, right now, lies with the military council. If these peopel have courage, will and ompetence, they will have a good chance to steer Egypt to a better future and void any devious designs on Egypt.

Is it possible the Egyptians as a people are more cohesive and less decisive, divisive and caustic because they do not have a Republican party?

From what I have heard, (which is not much) Egypt was sold down the Nile, for the New World order like Greece was and in a sense we were by the Clinton Cigar.  Difference seeming Egyptians know their own best interests and it is not Fox News.

I have heard the same thing Ardee, about the Muslim Brotherhood being enemies of militant Muslims, why the hell does it seem most everyone does the Hokey Pokey when it comes to forming decisions? Well I get my news From Glenn Beck.

BarbieQue

Obviously I haven’t studied Wilson’s 14 points in quite some time, in fact the last time I studied Wilson’s 14 points was in High School. Wilson’s 14 points were very specific to his era, but the principles of non-intervention, self-determination, and sovereignty were an endorsement of Washington’s advice to avoid “Foreign Entanglements” and not in conflict with Washington’s advice. I offered Wilson’s 14 points as a model, not as a blue print. Let me be more specific, I’ll offer Wilson’s principles, found in his 14 points, as being a philosophical model. Let me clarify a little more, I don’t believe Wilson’s 14 points would be an, end all, be all solution to the world’s problems, but I do believe that the philosophical principles of Wilson’s 14 points are worthy of some study. I won’t go so far as claiming, as some Historians have, that the adoption of Wilson’s 14 points would have prevented the Second World War, but it seems clear that if all parties had adopted the principles of Wilson’s 14 points, the Second World War would not have occurred.

My numerological error has served your obfuscation of the point of my comment well, and I am chagrinned, but I stand by the point of my comment, that being, that as of now, Scheer, Hedges, Pfaff, ET. Al. are guilty of knee jerk analysis and unsupported accusations directed at the Obama administration. There are many accusations directed at the Obama Administration that I believe are valid, but the accusation that the Obama Administration is not in support of democratic forces in Egypt can not be considered anything but unsupported, knee jerk, counter productive, political opportunism, by rational observers.

I recently heard a new political designation; that being “Progressive Libertarians,” the designation strikes me as being counter intuitive, and oxymoronic, but it seems to apply to your ilk. Good luck with getting your taxes reduced, expanding or preserving your inalienable rights, shrinking the size of government and empire, maybe adopting the principles of Wilson’s 14 points would help you to achieve those aspirations.

Let me suggest that you avoid Pee Wee Hermanisms in the future.

Re: By Arabian Sinbad, February 12 at 11:22 am

Arabian Sinbad wrote addressing me:
“What you’re saying, in essence, is that the US is behind all the momentous events in Egypt in order to deliver Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood”
—————————————-
Arabian Sinbad,
My answer is yes, that is what I think had happened and will happen. As the adage say: TIME WILL TELL.
I hope I am wrong, because if what I think do materialises, Egypt and its people will go through a really very dark ugly destructive period.

QUOTE (of an avatar, being clearwater):

“My point,of course, is that a “violent revolution” is no revolution at all. That corporate America is better equipped to handle violence in the streets than mass noncooperation.”
____________

Unfortunately, that’s a pointless point, because there’s no possibility of the changes really needed to timely occur without violence. The nonviolent are kept in a state of perpetual containment by the violent. The “mass” in America is in a pacified state of fully compliant cooperation with the global corporate state entity that has evolved beyond nationalism. The alien THING that conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats obediently service together has no loyalty to any nation, or people… or living species. It is the enemy of Nature. It’s intent upon destroying everything that lives… and too few humans recognize how near it is to completing its mission.

The “Art of the Possible” crowd have decade upon decade delayed everything that could have possibly helped. Now we haven’t got centuries of time left for “reasonable” little increments to glacially slow provide the massive change (revolution) that’s needed now. Even if the cooperating masses eventually wake up a decade from now and decide change is desperately needed, it will be too late for any “nonviolent” changes to then do what was needed to have been by whatever means necessary done now.

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truedigger3, February 12 at 5:23 am

You might spend a bit of time learning about that which you so stridently preach.

The Muslim Brotherhood has forsworn violence and elected to work within the system, both admirable decisions. That AlQaeda has called them an enemy might give some folks pause. Sadly, you seem to be not among them.

If your somewhat confusing rant implies that the USA might want an extremist group in charge of Egypt in order to foment unrest in that region thus necessitating a continuation, or an increase actually, in our troop presence there, then that is what you should have said.

Shenonymous, February 11 at 11:12 pm

I wholeheartedly concur with your opinion on this.

Way…ellll, RayLan, I’m trying not to think you are a person suffering
from cretinism, but it is just too obvious Mubarak did not want
to give up being pharaoh of Egypt.  So I wonder why exactly you are
acting so obtuse?  If anyone is a muttonhead, m’thinks it is thou.

It is also obvious this was the first time in history where throngs of
millions of people relatively peacefully achieved what they primarily
wanted against a despot.  About 125 deaths are reported, six are
said to have been by self-immolation as extreme cases of protest
that puts to mind the protests of the Buddhists in Vietnam in the
60s. In spite of this deplorable number, given there have been millions
of general public of angry and emotional Egyptians and uncountable
number of police and military, it is truly extraordinary, phenomenal
really, that the number of people killed or injured is statistically and
incredibly small.

Now it might be that Mubarak genuinely cared about Egypt as a nation,
but it is visibly clear he did not care about the middle class and the
underprivileged and destitute Egyptians.  He certainly and passionately
cared about his 30-year thronedom.  It is obvious that the definition
of force I obviously meant by saying hardly brute force, is hardly the
force of violence when indeed he was coerced by persuasion, the force
of the spoken word.  There is a difference in the 26 definitions for the
word force that you should learn to distinguish.

Mubarak, the tyrant, the absolute monarch, who was sitting as a
confederate at Sadat’s side when Sadat was murdered, was compelled,
yes, to remove himself from office, but not violently as was Sadat by
just a handful of angry fanatical people.  Given the obstinate Mubarak
was the sole target of those millions of legitimately angry people, he,
amazingly is still in one piece with not a hair on his head messed up
and whisked off to a safe haven.

By truedigger3, February 12 at 5:23 am

Re: By Arabian Sinbad, February 11 at 5:42 pm

You have no idea what you are talking about.  The US will deliberately deliver Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood and then Egypt will go through a very ugly dark period.
If I was a believer and not an atheist, I would have said “God” help poor Egypt in its coming days of suffering and bloodshed.!
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How arrogant, pretentious and pompous is your claim to know it all and to predict the future!!! What you’re saying, in essence, is that the US is behind all the momentous events in Egypt in order to deliver Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood. You must be hopelessly blinded by your fanatic religion of atheism and your hatred of people of faith to the point that you cannot think straight about the basic self-evident truths. It is none than you, in your current state of being mentally screwed up, that are going “through a very dark ugly period!”

Re: By Arabian Sinbad, February 11 at 5:42 pm

You have no idea what you are talking about.  The US will deliberately deliver Egypt to the Muslim Brotherhood and then Egypt will go through a very ugly dark period.
If I was a believer and not an atheist, I would have said “God” help poor Egypt in its coming days of suffering and bloodshed.!

Alan McDonald wrote:
“Yes, the coup is over—- even though Obama was never a threat to Empire, his supposedly ‘socialist leanings’ will now be used to evince a phony war cry of victory for the Empire’s”
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What are you talking about? What ‘socialist leanings’?? Are you kidding us or bullshitting us??!!.
Obama is more “capitalist” and served the Moneyed/Corporate elites much better than any president in recent history!!. Better than the two Bushes and better than Reagan and Nixon.

Shenonymous
“Hardly brute force that “forced” Mubarak out!  “
You think Mubarek just gave up and left voluntarily? - dream on. The military moved in and forced him. He was not wanting it at all. It wasn’t just the clock. That’s preposterous.

JDmysticDJ stated: >>“study the 13 Points offered by President Woodrow Wilson, after the First World War, to provide the model for a new world order.”<<

Your knee (or something) jerked so hard while I was reading your post you knocked over my monitor.

It was 14 points, silly and talk about a busy body. Wilson? ROFL

Check this bunch of hokum out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Points

The opposite of Wilson? Washington. When was the last time you read his farewell speech? Not only did he warn against foreign entanglements, he warned against parties themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington’s_Farewell_Address

Wilson or Washington. I know which I prefer, and it’s not necessary to tip over my monitor because you disagree. Just don’t expect me to pay taxes to run around telling other countries how to behave.

As things stand, at this moment, it’s apparent that the knee jerk offerings presented here by Scheer, Hedges, Pfaff and many truthdig comentors has resulted in a liberal splattering of egg on faces.

Scheer begins, “After a good start, the Obama administration’s response to the democratic revolution in Egypt has begun to exude the odor of betrayal.” The real odor exuded comes from this sentence, and not from the Obama administration’s response. The response from the Obama administration has been in support for Egyptian Democracy from the beginning up to now, and hopefully, will continue into the future. Obama, for all his faults, has demonstrated his belief in democracy more so than certain previous U.S. Presidents, and certain so called democratic countries.

If the new Egyptian Democracy fails to live up to expectations, it will be because of a myriad of internal and external forces usurping Egyptian Democracy. Egypt is currently on its way towards real democracy, the process will be messy, but if it’s allowed to succeed without being usurped from without, or from within, it will be a genuine democracy, a messy democracy, just as all democracies are messy.

Personally, I don’t agree with the 20% of the Egyptian populace who support the Muslim Brotherhood, to about the same degree that I don’t agree with the 20% of the U.S. population that are hard core right-wingers, Tea Partiers, etc.
I’m a strong believer in non-intervention, and the sovereignty of nations, and of peoples. It’s clear that current realities show that policies of intervention and a lack of respect for sovereignty are essentially the norm, but the ideal of non-intervention and sovereignty should be the norm and the accepted ideal. If the people of Egypt adopt and approve of a Constitution based on Sharia Law, which I don’t believe they will, that is their right, and will be their responsibility. Such a constitution democratically arrived at should be considered democratically legitimate, unless opposition to Sharia Law would be disenfranchised and repressed.

When democracies fail to provide for the general welfare of the people as a whole, and also prove to be a detriment to the general welfare of the people of the world, in the final analysis, it’s the fault of the people within that democracy. If their democracy has become illegitimate, it’s the responsibility of the people within that democracy to make it legitimate. Some will argue that certain societies are not ready for, or don’t possess the required attributes to make democracy workable, or desirable. I’ll suggest that it’s those, who make such assertions, who are the enemies of democracy and sovereignty. The term “New World Order” has been expropriated by those who believe in hegemony and empire. I’ll suggest that, going forward, we go back and study the 13 Points offered by President Woodrow Wilson, after the First World War, to provide the model for a new world order.

(More)

Cont.

Given the historical record, it’s easy to understand why Scheer, Hedges, Pfaff, and others would exhibit a knee jerk response regarding future events in Egypt, but future events are future events and can not be determined in advance. As things now stand, a great victory for democracy has been won, now is the time to be hopeful. Now is NOT the time to offer negative self fulfilling prophesies, or the time to use this event as an opportunity to attack perceived political enemies with unsupported accusations of present, or future, skullduggery. It’s possible that the Egyptian military will object to, and obstruct, the evolution to true democracy. It’s also possible that U.S. Intelligence agencies will covertly support an autocratic individual or political party, but such possible events can only be speculation at the present time. It is good to be vigilant, but assertions of future skullduggery only serve one purpose at the present time; that purpose being a counter productive discrediting of an administration that has professed an unqualified support for democratic forces in Egypt.

Hardly brute force that “forced” Mubarak out!  This was the
revolution of all time, I call it The Peaceful Revolution and it should
go down in history a such.  It should also be the absolute model
of how people can affect their lives if they challenge the oppressive
authority as united.  The Egyptians should make all of us, for a
change, proud to be human.

The current overthrow of Mubarek by the military vindicates my previous post. Brute force brought him in and brute force kicked him out. To claim it was non-violent is premature and even at this point inaccurate, since many were tortured and some killed. The ‘transition’ is not yet accomplished. Even after the democratic process has gained traction, with a freely elected leader - only then will the real conflict begin because the US warmongers and imperialists who have been preying on the autocratic oppression of the Middle East are going to raise some kind of hell.
I rejoice at their being thwarted. Deal with it Corporate America- including asshole McCain who hates democracy.

Mr. Cyr:
I appreciate your thoughtful response to my post. While I agree that parties in
power will always do what they can to deflect and subvert to their own ends the
efforts of their constituents to create change. I think the fact of that truth is at the
heart of the struggle. How do you create change without being that change? If
what we want is a new world order that honors life, then the means should reflect
the end. Violence plays, immediately, into the hands of the corporate state. Its the
game they want to play. The violent pursuit of change obfuscates the ultimate
goal. My point,of course, is that a “violent revolution” is no revolution at all. That
corporate America is better equipped to handle violence in the streets than mass
noncooperation. peace bro

Allahu Akbar! (God is Great!

Finally, the Egyptians and the Tunisians before them have taught the whole world a lesson in true democracy.

Now, the first order of things is to start the process extraditing the two evil tyrants,wherever they try to hide and put them on trial for a certain death sentence, and furthermore, to dig out for their billions of stolen assets deposited in Western banks to return these funds to the people.

Robert Sheer, of all people, should now know that pleading with Obama is a moot point—- as Elvis has left the building.

Here’s the real coup going on right now!

Frank Wisner, did NOT “very much sing from the same song sheet as President Obama, Hillary Clinton, and State”, but sang in tune with Hillary and CIA—- with the Patton Boggs story being just that; a cover story.

Three things occurred that cause real concern about who is now running the US government

CIA normally tries to be subtle, covert, but now blunt, overt:

1. Wisner delivered critical message to Mubarak exactly opposite to the publicly stated message of the US president—- for whom Wisner was supposed to be speaking, but he was selected by Hillary!

2. He then went on national TV and bluntly announced that he told Mubarak to stay—- that he had delivered this entirely contrary directive.

3. Then US government publicly announced that it was changing its policy to follow the marching orders of Wisner, rather than president Obama.

Sure appears to me that there can be only one conclusion from this amazing sequence of very public events.

That the nominal civilian government of the US, nominally headed by smooth-talking political pawn, Obama, no longer appears to be calling the shots.

The coup seems to be complete.

Hillary, the CIA, the “Secret Team”, the MIC, Wall Street, and the whole disguised Empire has successfully reasserted their never doubted control—- not only in territory of Egypt, but far more importantly—- here.

While there might have been some brief confusion that Mubarak was the ‘dead man walking’, that “Quiet American” war prize, as well as his more public Peace Prize, now goes to Obama.

Yes, the coup is over—- even though Obama was never a threat to Empire, his supposedly ‘socialist leanings’ will now be used to evince a phony war cry of victory for the Empire’s own 21st century costumed Indians of this second Tea Party.

Alan MacDonald

Sanford, Maine

“Democracy over Empire” party headquarters

America could start employing a laissez-faire attitude as to its involvement in the business of other people’s Countries and concentrate on sorting out its own serious shortcomings.
Whatever happens in Egypt is for the Egyptians to sort out, and the same ethics apply to Haiti and their elections.
It would appear that the expose’s of recent months, regarding the insidious machinations of America and her Allies, has been a complete waste of time;
you people are still believing what you are being brainwashed to believe, and all for the best of reasons, “patriotism and the American way of life”, everyone and everything else can go hang as having no value, in other words, being completely worthless when compared to American standards.
There’s a World outside of America and it deserves respect. You can make a start by giving it to them.

I agree with part of what David Cyr is saying - questioning the premise of non-violent revolution which I consider to be an oxymoron. Immoral selfish dictators don’t just roll over because the people don’t like them. They don’t just rush out cause their feelings are hurt and they aren’t appreciated. Raw unscrupulous Power put them in their position and kept them there. Only power will remove them. That is until the military makes it move - its just a staring match.

“There’s irony in the fact that James Earl Ray did more to increase the use of nonviolent means, by violently murdering King,- - “By David J. Cyr, February 11, 2011

Whether the gist of the response is accurate or not, bloggers enjoy the freedom of a “blog.”  At this time, Feb. 2011 anyway.  However, information taken from the officially-published report, which contained a few “facts,” is disinformation generally provided by the U.S. administration in such cases.  And the fifteen or more white Mustangs, that just happened to be cruising around town at the time, could have been accomplished only with cooperation of someone(s) who had access to motor vehicle records.  And who was being manipulated by “outsiders.” 

James Earl Ray is a member of the category into which Lee Harvey Oswald, mafioso Jack Ruby, Timothy McVeigh, the trigger-puller operative recently in Tucson,  and many unnamed fall-guys are classified.  More recently, a few Moslem youth have been introduced into the group, since the FBI became pawned, and hundreds of neat persons cry in their sleep at night.  I wonder what happened to the Hecht Co. in DC that sold durable suits at bargain prices into the 1960s ?

The statement,  “- the fact that James Earl Ray- -“ is simply not a fact.  It is one piece of the disinformation behind the associated murders, that was intended to be established as “fact” by the official report.  There are several thousand other murders and fall-guys around the world, over the last fifty years, that the pawn media did not publish, and which did not require an “official report.”

QUOTE (of an avatar, being clearwater):

“Mr. Cyr… you would have us believe that any notion of nonviolent pursuit of political or social change is, by definition, dishonest and ultimately without merit. That, somehow, any attempt to coordinate nonviolent civil disobedient resistance to oppressive government is, in truth, an act of violence.”
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Not necessarily. But any tactic — whether it’s nonviolent or violent — that misguides good intentioned people into supporting evil purposes is definitely “dishonest and ultimately without merit” for the good intentioned people’s purposes. The fundamental problem with the “nonviolent” means used in America is that they have near all been used to recruit support for the Democrat faction of the corporate party… like slaves volunteering to be whipped to help their Massa better manage them.

Nonviolent civil disobedience could be a very effective tactic, if done on a truly massive scale and not in support of any faction of the corporate state; but nonviolence is wholly ineffective when there are too few participating, and it is generally counterproductive when those in struggle consider it to be the only acceptable means to ever use.

The nonviolent Civil Rights movement served the interests of white liberals far more than the oppressed blacks. That’s why white liberals revere King — because he wasn’t Malcolm X. Martin was willing to accept the symbolic superficial changes of liberal reformed appearances. Malcolm and other militant blacks were more forcefully seeking substantive systemic change. Martin may have been murdered because he was moving toward a more militant position that would pose a serious threat to the system (e.g. see his 04/04/67 Beyond Vietnam speech).

There’s irony in the fact that James Earl Ray did more to increase the use of nonviolent means, by violently murdering King, than all his nonviolent followers combined could have if King had died of old age. The corporate state’s loyal liberal operatives have used King’s martyrdom to create a religion founded on the myth of nonviolence being the one and only means to good ends. It’s been the most useful tool for liberals to murder movements by redirecting their energy away from threatening the state and into service of the state (i.e. rallying to get out the vote for corporate party Democrats). If Christ wasn’t crucified there’d be no Christianity to usefully motivate people into mass murdering others for God and God’s country. Same with the religion of Nonviolence; Martin’s martyrdom served to get millions to faith-based dedicate themselves to an activist tactic that hasn’t worked… for Good. It’s been abused to instead serve Evil.

Nonviolence can only be effective if it’s either massively overwhelming in strength of numbers so great that the police and military dare not be brutal, or the nonviolent have allies able and willing to use violent means if the nonviolent means are not effective. If the state doesn’t fear either the numbers massively amassed, or a potentially violent alternative, then it has no reason to make any concessions — no loaves; not even any crumbs. Note: It would take 4 million Americans militantly occupying Washington DC continuously, week upon week, to proportionately equal the 1 million that have been daily demonstrating in Cairo’s Tahrir Square.

The primary problem that antiwar, social justice, and environmental movements have had is not so much the means they have used, or not used. It’s in the wrong ends that they have near always sought. There are no good Democrats, so getting more Democrats elected just gets more evil done.

“Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives.”
— Malcolm X

Zbigniew Brzezinski, guest on PBS Newshour today,
2/10, was asked by Jim Lehrer on what he thought
about Mubarack, having met him personally.

ZB said that Mubarack, having been a fighter pilot
in his youth was not the kind of man who would back
down from pressure exerted from the outside.

WTF…are the people protesting in the street
“outside” of Egyptian society?

It gives you clue on the thinking of the Political
Elite. The people are not part of the ruling elite,
they are on the “outside.” You have to be a member
of the ruling elite to be considered on the inside.
It’s not the people that the gov’t is set up to
serve, but the blood-sucker parasites, just like
the parasites just like this country.

$70 Billion, eh?

That means there will be 70 million letters going out saying:
“I am the nephew of the daughter of the brother of the uncle of the niece of Hosni Mubarak’s bookkeeper and shoe-shiner. I have access to $5 billion of his fortune but I cannot get it out of Egypt. I am writing to you and praying you keep this confidential, because I need someone outside whom I will give 20% of this fortune…....”

You know the rest…

It is interesting to me that so many experienced folk have fallen
into the “propaganda trap” associated with the current uprising in
Egypt.  “Egyptians” wamt the american-type of democracy that has been
so bountifully bestowed on Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan?  Not hardly.
But, they will receive it.

Does anyone remember that the CIA is now affiliated with Google? And
who is the Google “marketing manager” associated with the Egyptian
uprising?  The canned, disinformation program to be broadcast by the
pawned western news media, after the new dictator is installed, will
distract for a while.  During which, the genuine Egyptians who
assisted to lead in the movement will be identified.  Once
identified, they will slowly disappear. A few will be bribed and
intimidated, a few will have auto accidents, a few will “commit
suicide,” and a few will simply disappear.

The pattern is well established. All the fantasizing about ousting
the dictator and acquiring “democracy” will not alter the historical
pattern. CIA operatives on the Google payroll do not take their
marching orders from google executives. Reminds me of Jesse Ventura´s
description of his interview by CIA operatives on his staff and the
payroll of the state of Minnesota, shortly after he entered the
governorship. 

Sad to say, some media in Europe are propagating the disinformation
sent out of D.C. One would think that Germans would recognize such
propaganda.  On the other hand, German youth have been trained to
think that NAZIs are the people who shave their heads, call
themselves NAZIs, ride motorcyles and occasionally demonstrate.

Mr. Cyr, although I think this comment is only tangentially related to Mr.
Scheer’s essay, I would like to say that, while I believe that you are not
necessarily advocating violence as the only avenue for change in the world; you
would have us believe that any notion of nonviolent pursuit of political or social
change is, by definition, dishonest and ultimately without merit. That,
somehow, any attempt to coordinate nonviolent civil disobedient resistance to
oppressive government is, in truth, an act of violence. To participate in the
electoral process is only adding to the violence in the world, because it
ultimately legitimatizes the corporate state. What, “roads to Rome” do we have,
then, to deflect the violence and destruction of corporate capitalism if we are
willing to relinquish vote and representation as forces of change? Certainly you
are not suggesting that the violent act of James Earl Ray was more meaningful
to the future of humanity than the dedicated life of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to
change, through nonviolent direct action, the violent institutions of bigotry and
hate in America. The people of Egypt have shown remarkable courage and faith
in the knowledge that, as a tactic, nonviolence is the only chance they have to
succeed. They could never out gun or out bleed the U.S. backed Egyptian army.
What they have done, through nonviolence, is allow the humanity of the
Egyptian soldiers to support their struggle for self determination. They have
also allowed, through nonviolence, their demands for respect of human rights
and liberty to move forward with them in their struggle for self determination.
In this life, you get what you do. There is no way around it.

Mr. Cyr, although I think this comment is only tangentially related to Mr. Scheer’s essay, I
would like to say that, while I believe that you are not necessarily advocating violence as
the only avenue for change in the world; you would have us believe that any notion of
nonviolent pursuit of political or social change is, by definition, dishonest and ultimately
without merit. That, somehow, any attempt to coordinate nonviolent civil disobedient
resistance to oppressive government is, in truth, an act of violence. To participate in the
electoral process is only adding to the violence in the world, because it ultimately
legitimatizes the corporate state. What, “roads to Rome” do we have, then, to deflect the
violence and destruction of corporate capitalism if we are willing to relinquish vote and
representation as forces of change? Certainly you are not suggesting that the violent act of
James Earl Ray was more meaningful to the future of humanity than the dedicated life of Dr.
Martin Luther King Jr. to change, through nonviolent direct action, the violent institutions
of bigotry and hate in America. The people of Egypt have shown remarkable courage and
faith in the knowledge that, as a tactic, nonviolence is the only chance they have to
succeed. They could never out gun or out bleed the U.S. backed Egyptian army. What they
have done, through nonviolence, is allow the humanity of the Egyptian soldiers to support
their struggle for self determination. They have also allowed, through nonviolence, their
demands for respect of human rights and liberty to move forward with them in their
struggle for self determination. In this life, you get what you do. There is no way around it.

The only sane way for our country to proceed is to show good will to the Egyptian
people. That means we must stay out of their way in _every_ way. They need to
feel free to build the kind of country they want.  The road to that end may be
difficult difficult and fraught with mistakes as well as successes but that’s part of
any process of change.  Obama, our Nobel Peace Prize winner, doesn’t seem to
have anything to offer them other than double meaning messages that carry
implied pressure. He is not a free man himself so he will develop policy according
to what our power elite tells him to do.

truthdigger
“Mubarak with all his shortcomings and incompetence was a simple guy and he didn’t steal anything”
He stole the country from under its people - that is their sovereignty - uh like.. he’s a dictator?

Truthdig 3,

Iran had a peoples revolution overtaken and manipulated by religion. It remains to be seen what happens in Egypt with the ensuing power struggle.

Re: By thebeerdoctor, February 9 at 5:00 pm

thebeerdoctor wrote:
“our good friend” Hosni has stolen between 40 to 70 $billion.”
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thebeerdoctor,

With all due respect, that is a lie and slander propogated by the media.
Mubarak with all his shortcomings and incompetence was a simple guy and he didn’t steal anything. The only personal property he has is a summer house in one of the Egyptian resorts.
One of his two sons is rummored to have amassed a fortune peddling his influence and using that influence in wheeling and dealing.
One of the biggest Mubarak’s mistake is his blindly following the dictates of the world Bank and the IMF and opening the Egyptian economy and its financial institutions wide open to foreign capital and privatisation.
State owned companies, that were built, by the blood sweet and tears of the Egyptian people, were sold dirt cheap to the “connected” people or to the people who paid bribes, resulting in a thin layer of an obscenely rich corrupt class in top of mostly poor hard pressed population.
Many of the state owned land was privatised and got the “same treatment”.
Many of the privatised companies went into reorganisations, resulting in many workers losing there jobs in an economy where jobs are already scarce.
Mubarak reduced drastically government subsidies offered to buy basic food items like cooking oil, flour, sugar and bread.
In short, Mubarak made the already hard life of many Egyptians much more harder due to his incompetence and short sightedness.

Mubarak family fortune could reach $70bn, say experts

02.04.2011 | The Guardian

“Mubarak family fortune could reach $70bn, say experts

Egyptian president has cash in British and Swiss banks plus UK and US property

Gamal and Hosni Mubarak are reported to have built up huge fortunes, including properties in London.

President Hosni Mubarak’s family fortune could be as much as $70bn (£43.5bn) according to analysis by Middle East experts, with much of his wealth in British and Swiss banks or tied up in real estate in London, New York, Los Angeles and along expensive tracts of the Red Sea coast.

After 30 years as president and many more as a senior military official, Mubarak has had access to investment deals that have generated hundreds of millions of pounds in profits. Most of those gains have been taken offshore and deposited in secret bank accounts or invested in upmarket homes and hotels.

According to a report last year in the Arabic newspaper Al Khabar, Mubarak has properties in Manhattan and exclusive Beverly Hills addresses on Rodeo Drive.

His sons, Gamal and Alaa, are also billionaires. A protest outside Gamal’s ostentatious home at 28 Wilton Place in Belgravia, central London, highlighted the family’s appetite for western trophy assets.

Amaney Jamal, a political science professor at Princeton University, said the estimate of $40bn-70bn was comparable with the vast wealth of leaders in other Gulf countries.

“The business ventures from his military and government service accumulated to his personal wealth,” she told ABC news. “There was a lot of corruption in this regime and stifling of public resources for personal gain.

“This is the pattern of other Middle Eastern dictators so their wealth will not be taken during a transition. These leaders plan on this.”

Al Khabar said it understood the Mubaraks kept much of their wealth offshore in the Swiss bank UBS and the Bank of Scotland, part of Lloyds Banking Group, although this information could be at least 10 years old.

There are only sketchy details of exactly where the Mubaraks have generated their wealth and its final destination.

Christopher Davidson, professor of Middle East politics at Durham University, said Mubarak, his wife, Suzanne, and two sons were able to accumulate wealth through a number of business partnerships with foreign investors and companies, dating back to when he was in the military and in a position to benefit from corporate corruption.”

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30-40 million Egyptians live off on less than $2 a day, with no cell phones, no computers…and this DICTATOR & his regime cronies have been living like some kind of Pharaohs in ivory towers & a sea of enormous wealth…at the expense of so many deprived Egyptians.

Click on link for the details:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/brother-can-you-spare-a-dime/

The “nonviolent” movement got near all the Civil Rights advocates to lifelong regularly vote for Democrats who got more violence done.

It was the “nonviolent” people’s votes for Kennedy and Johnson that provided the mandates for Democrats to industrial scale murder between 3 and 6 million people in Southeast Asia — history’s most massive use of chemical weapons upon, and the saturation bombing of civilian populations. The estimates of the number murdered are so uncertain because the carnage was so complete.

It was the “nonviolent” nice liberal people’s lifelong voting for clever “welfare” Democrats that systemic violently maintained black people in a permanent economic underclass.

It was the “nonviolent” UFPJ “antiwar” rally’s and the “nonviolent” MoveOn “change we can believe in” operatives who got out the vote to provide another strong popular mandate for the ultra-violence of more wars of aggression.

Every vote for a Democrat is a violent act… a criminal act. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for war crimes and crimes against humanity to be done.

The “nonviolent” in America have got most of its violence done.

The Violence of “Nonviolence” :

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=492&Itemid=1

With regards to the texting motorcycle’s distortion of my position: I do not advocate for any form of violence to be the only means to be used, but the reality is that social justice movements that have been liberal led into using only “nonviolent” means have stratified the structural violence. The success of the “nonviolent” movement has been its maintenance and nurture of the violence of the corporate state. I support whatever means oppressed and exploited people need to use to not remain victims of the corporate state’s daily violence they endure and/or die of.

Why do avatar things that have chosen to not be humans interfere in matters of the human condition?

Mr. Cyr, the name is as listed, ardee. You may think yourself subtle by referring to people by their avatars but you come off as childish, even more so that your constant advocacy for only violent solutions already makes you. I guess you have forgotten about the nonviolent civil rights movement here in this nation. Perhaps you spent that decade in detox?

QUOTE (of an unregistered alphanumeric string br3n):

“Get with the program!  Forget whether you like Obama or not—he’s your President and he has the capacity to assist in the creation of a peaceful transition in Egypt.  Support that, even if you don’t like the guy!”
____________

Pacification of people and “winning hearts and minds” is definitely something that the POTUS has the capacity to perpetrate.

Before the appearances sensitive liberals trained them to be much more circumspect in their language, it was quite common for police and even judges to tell battered rape victims that they should have just laid back and enjoyed their rape.

A POTUS is a vile creature that mugs and rapes nations.

In Egypt what started as a demonstrations by some young people demanding jobs and a stop to the relentless continuous rise in food prices that started almost 3 years ago, was hijacked by the Muslim Brotherhood and then proclaimed by the western news media as “people revolution” for freedom and democracy.
That is utter and pure bullshitting!!!.
Life is so hard on most of the Egyptian people where they spend between 70%-80% of their meager income on food, and any rise of the food prices will mean that some people will go hungry.
Egypt basic problem is not a lack of freedom and democracy but is population explosion.
Egypt has about 86 million people and counting. The Egyptian land and economy cannot feed and provide jobs for all those people and Egypt imports about 40% of its wheat consumption from the world marker where Egypt is the biggest importer of wheat in the world!.
Wall Street speculation in the wheat, rice and corn futures in the commodities exchanges, caused wheat prices to more than double in the last two years which made the life of many Egyptian which is already hard much harder.
The incompetent Mubarak followed blindly the dictates of the World Bank and IMF and reduced drastically any subsidies for low income Egyptians to buy basic food items which intensified the pressure on the people.
Mubarak biggest mistake is his failure to start an effective birth-control program in Egypt. Yes, the Egyptian people are simple religious people and it is difficult to convince people to adopt birth-control but it can be done with effective long term campaign.
But Mubarak didn’t even try starting a program.
Probably Mubarak was worried about the political price he will pay with the flak that he will get from the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim and Christian Clerics.

I am baffled by the amount of misinformation,  and lack of knowledge of the subject at hand, diplayed by most posters in this thread, who I assume, most of them progressive thinking and smart people. Someone is doing an excellent job of bullshitting the “intelligencia”!!.

The big question in my mind, n ow that we have WikiLeaks information, is how come our government doesn’t want to, or can’t “self-correct.  Why the inflexibility?  Some people here lay it to the corporate interests in wars and so-called “defense.”
But the presence of that method of dealing is obviously counter-productive, stealing and using resources for perpetuating violence, constantly increasing the suffering of ordinary people all over the world, including here.  So the money in their banks piles up .. to what avail?  What good is it? What can id to for them beyond a certain glut and luxury?  What steals their consciences?  What corrupts their souls? What blinds their eyes? 
  And is there no one who can reach them?  Are there no people who have the common sense to make laws that rein them in and free them from their worst impulses?  What is the ultimate good of killing, of suspicion and “surveillance”, of blame, of hatred, feaer and persecution?  It just doesn’t make any sense.  Yet nobody seems to address these points, but rather simply complains about the obvious horrible facts of domination, suppression and sorrow.
  One way, IMO, is to work at the local level to reverse methods and attitudes in every and any way possible through education and peace-building changes.  Another way is to somehow use media to break into the upper echelons with sights and sounds of reality and possibility.  I just don’t believe that there is no way except violent so-called “revolution” which just leads to more death and repression.

WikiLeaks: Israel Long Viewed Egypt VP as Preferred Mubarak Successor

2008 diplomatic cable published by the Daily Telegraph quotes Israeli official as saying that Israel was ‘most comfortable’ with prospect of Omar Suleiman becoming Egypt’s next leader.

By The Associated Press

“February 07, 2011 “Haaretz”—- Egypt’s Vice President Omar Suleiman was long seen by Israel as the preferred candidate to succeed President Hosni Mubarak, secret U.S. diplomatic cables published Monday suggested.

According to an August 2008 cable released by WikiLeaks and published by the Daily Telegraph newspaper on its website, a senior adviser from the Israeli Ministry of Defense told U.S. diplomats in Tel Aviv that the Israelis believe Suleiman would likely serve as “at least an interim president if Mubarak dies or is incapacitated.”

A U.S. diplomat who classified the cable, Luis Moreno, wrote that although he deferred to the Embassy in Cairo for Egyptian succession scenario analysis, “there is no question that Israel is most comfortable with the prospect of” Suleiman.

The cable quoted the adviser to Israel’s defense ministry, David Hacham, as saying an Israeli delegation led by Defense Minister Ehud Barak was “shocked by Mubarak’s aged appearance and slurred speech,” when it met him in Egypt. “Hacham was full of praise for Soliman, however,” it said. Suleiman was spelled Soliman in some of the leaked cables.

Hacham added that he sometimes spoke to Suleiman’s deputy several times a day via a “hotline,” according to the cable.”

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Click on links below for the rest:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27430.htm

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/wikileaks-israel-long-viewed-egypt-vp-as-preferred-mubarak-successor-1.341973

There is an eerie resemblance, almost carbon copy, of the attitude and behaviour of the US government,  the MSM and the so called progressives toward Mubarak, to their attitude and behaviour toward the Shah of Iran.
Back then with all that talk of “freedom”, and “democracy” and a “new beginning” for the Iranian people, the Shah of Iran, who was a friend and ally for decades, was stabbed in the back by the US who helped to deliver power to a bunch of reactionary backward thinking Medievial Muslim clerics and then the US almost immediately proceeded to lock horns with them and it has been that way for almost 30 years and the Iranian people got much more repressive brutal murderous treatment that dwarfed any selective scattered repression by the Shah.
Yes, Mubarak had his repressive very selective moments and he stayed for SO LONG, but he didn’t
murder any body and allowed very good amount of freedom of expression and the press.
No doubt, Mubarak is incompotent and short sighted who brought some serious problems to Egypt and failed to solve chronic existing ones.
The only well organised and well funded opposition group in Egypt, right now, is the Muslim Brotherhood, whose objective is to turn Egypt into a Muslim Theocracy governed by Sharia or Muslim Law according to the Koran and the teachings of the prophet Mohamed.
Any talk of “immediate transition”, without giving time to any other opposition groups to organise, will definitely deliver power to the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Muslim Brotherhood people are all smiles and conjeniality and speak of democracy and free elctions,
but the minute they win, this will be the last election and repression will begin that will make any previous repression look like a picnic. Think Iran!!
Yes, Egypt needs a new government and Mubarak eventually will go in September, but that government has to be a progressive secular compotent government and not a bunch of reactionary backward thinking Theocrats.
If the Muslim Brotherhood win power, that will be the beginning of a very dark period for Egypt!.

The United States is caught with “no choice.”  Not at this juncture.  The time to have
influenced Egypt passed during the last 30 years.  We didn’t even insist that part of that
foreign aid—payoff—go toward elevating the people of Egypt.  Apparently, the USG felt so
certain of Egypt’s course, at least until the next administration would inherit it, that it didn’t
even pursue developing intelligence that would have warned of a coming resistance. 
Nothing extraordinary was required to gather this intelligence—all that was needed was a
monitoring of facebook and twitter. 

Remember the movie “3 Days of the Condor”?  The cia hired nondescript academics to
“read everything,” novels, cartoons, newspapers, and magazines.  Their task was to
spot patterns and report them.  I guess budget cuts have eliminated this department.

The USG has no choice because it has no real power here, not unless it is complicit with
Suleiman the Torturer and goes along with beating up the Egyptian people. 

We must admit it—the Egyptians are right and they are astute.  Reform that is managed
by Suleiman promises no reform at all.  In his hands, it is merely a ruse for stalling and
finding a way to outsmart the new democracy. 

The protesters have won.  Get behind them, or lose all credibility in the mideast, perhaps
the world.

The president needs to take a minute a reflect, come up with a vision for his
administration’s foreign relations instead of just a to-do list that permits him to bide his
time and look good.

QUOTE (of an avatar, being a motorcycle):

“Mr.Cyr, crowded out by zealotry and (misguided) passion I would urge you to explain this hit at MoveOn, a group that is far too loyal to Democrats for my taste, but no supporter of those like Suleiman.”
____________

Anyone or anything that supported Obama would have no reason to not love Suleiman. Obama **IS** “of those like Suleiman.”

In a time in which tens of millions of people very publicly appeared to want America’s wars of aggression to end, MoveOn persuaded potential antiwar voters to not vote against war, but to instead vote for the corporate persons’ party “necessary war” Democrat. MoveOn persuaded people who wanted Single-Payer to vote against having Single-Payer, by voting for the rot protecting Democrat who claimed Single-Payer could not be done here (“too many legacy systems”). And now the same MoveOn that got out the heavy popular vote for the most heavily corporate funded candidate in history is claiming that supporting the corporate party’s Democrats is the way to eliminate corporate influence in government. Donkey shit!

The liberals who have persistently persuaded people to vote for what they claim to be a lesser evil that is self-demonstrably actually the greater evil, rather than to vote for any good, are evil people — consummately evil. MoveOn is a deeply depraved organization. Its base of support is a malevolent mass of willfully cognitively dissonant Democrats led by the too comfortably affluent liberals who are determined to protect and preserve the form of fascism that has been so friendly to them (See currency speculating billionaire George Soros).

With regards to the texting motorcycle’s distortion of my position: I do not advocate for any form of violence to be the only means to be used, but the reality is that social justice movements that have been liberal led into using only “nonviolent” means have stratified the structural violence. The success of the “nonviolent” movement has been its maintenance and nurture of the violence of the corporate state. I support whatever means oppressed and exploited people need to use to not remain victims of the corporate state’s daily violence they endure and/or die of.

Why do avatar things that have chosen to not be humans interfere in matters of the human condition?

The Violence of “Nonviolence” :

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=492&Itemid=1

I’d like to ask Mr. Scheer to please explain what he means by this phrase:  “... the deep cynics who run our foreign policy.”

Most of us are trynig to figure out a reasonable explanation for the behavior of our State Department and foreign relations people. Or we’re dissolving in self-hatred and fear. It seems the people elected or appoint to encourage good international relations deliberately create trouble and then sell weapons on all sides and send our kids to war instead of helping them to live good lives. In exchange, they are hated, at home and abroad. Sure, it makes money for the military/industrial thieves and killers—but is that what America stands for?  Is that all this country can do for humanity?  Is that what we want to keep doing in the world, simply because we are too lazy or too scared to take the time and trouble to participate actively in decisions made in our name. Have we all given over to cynicism, too?  And if so, what are the ingredients of that cynicism?  Is there any cure?
  Many commenting here think there’s nothing we can do except what they call “revolution” which has no more specific curative intentions than simply to complain forcibly and throw the “buggers” out.  And then what?
  Me desperately need more specific, creative thinking and planning.  Where is it?  Who’s getting together to talk about it? Why don’t people see that the WikiLeaks revelations are a golden opportunity to “self-correct.”
  Mr. Scheer, what do you think about this?  Or are you satisfied simply to report watching the U.S. slide downhill into one disaster after another?

If the Muslim Brotherhood wants to insure it’s success at taking over all the emerging ‘democracies’ in the Middle East, the first thing it should do is hire the most expensive K Street lobbyists, and U.S. politicians of both parties who are in leadership positions in the government, to represent them. Those folks have years of experience and know-how at perverting a democracy to make it serve their personal interests, and if the money is right, should have no problem making a Faustian deal with the Devil.

It’s no wonder that the political ‘leaders’ of the U.S., the world’s most powerful government-by-bribery, are concerned that emerging world movements toward democracy may be susceptible to ‘hijacking’. After all, they have vast experience in the successful hijacking of the American democratic experiment by their plutocrat-masters.

The die has been cast. Obama is bought and paid for and he doesn’t even know it. Like a bought fighter, he constantly pulls his punches, almost totally ignoring his responsibility to those who once supported him in the ring.

Obama is the most bitter disappointment to all men and women who struggle.

I think flummox you are discombobulated from rolling on the floor
laughing your ass off.  Hahaha.  Do you think you roast me?  You
can only stand your own reflection and should anyone be degrees
away from your small mentality, well they must be decimated.  You
have no tolerance for anything but your own shadow.  I say F you
because you have parroted exactly what I said about the Egyptians
except your are so blinded and enamored with your own petty thoughts
that you aren’t even able to see it.  I am very regular in bathroom
habits but it is plain you need mental diarrhea medication to control
your loose brain poop.  And you haven’t the skill to disembowel this
truthdipper.

ewak, you might say that to flummox unless you are in bed with him. 
Do you imagine even in your wildest dreams that this Centrist Liberal
cares what you respect?

There are plenty of loonies posting here, with their conspiracy theories and their anti-Semitism that’s TOTALLY irrelevant.

The Egyptian people clearly want a free and open society.  Hell, they clearly want to be like Europe, or even Turkey, not a hell-hole under a dictator.

Our support of Mubarak is PRECISELY why we shouldn’t be involved in the changes in Egypt.

Those “inalienable rights” discussed in the Declaration of Independence belong to Egyptians as well.

Shenonymous

Enough with the name calling.

Rebut.
Refute.
Or move on.

The only centrists I respect are in the center of Cairo with their lives on the line. They would appreciate moral and political support from the US instead of the state sponsored tyranny they are getting now.

For which of your centrist values would you be willing to put your life on the line? And whose support would you be soliciting?

Just wondering.

Did I say my emails were going to influence His Honor?  My gawd
thebeerdoctor. Aren’t you silly?  Do you really have time for such
petty criticisms?  I think it is delusional to think one cannot send
the President of the United States an email or a letter because he
might not read it.  They are opened and most likely put in stacks
sorted by his assistants.  Maybe they weigh the batches and count
sentiments that way: 10 pounds along with Bill Reilly hate you today,
8 pounds don’t like what you said about this issue, 16 pounds don’t
like what you said about that issue.  Obama certainly has his
denigrators (oh! isn’t that a clever pun?).  That might be a sign he is
doing something correct!  hahaha

I think truthdippers are delusional to think anybody outside the blogs
read their posts and are affected by them.  Even those who write the
articles probably don’t read the bloggers’ comments. How would they
have time if they are busy writing the articles with backed up sources
not just giving opinions like truthdippers do.  Oh yeah, sometimes they
do that, just pontificate, like Hedges almost always does.  What a hoot.

It is truly delusional to believe that sending President Obama an e-mail is going to influence his decisions . You are talking about a President who when he was still just President-elect could not muster up the moral courage to denounce the massacre in Gaza, infamously titled “Operation Cast Lead”.
Never mind his wretched vanity of accepting a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing. If he had any honor he would have refused such a dubious achievement. But he was cool with the prize instead.
And now with reality slapping them in the face, Obama and Secretary of State Clinton have decided that perhaps its time for the old man to go. But has the U.S. stopped the arms shipments to Egypt? Absolutely not.

”I would also ask, in a typical step too far, that, since a Democratic
President is moving to stifle that aforementioned movement, and you
are a democrat, could you talk to him?”  I like your sense of humor,
ardee.  I have actually sent His Honor my opinions.  He has an email
address: http://www.emailthepresident.com/  and a website:
http://www.barackobama.com/ where emails are invited.  You might
try sending him your opinions too.  Everybody should.

The term loony (sp?) was used by another TD poster, BarbieQue, Feb 9
at 5:36pm, who contrasted Reactionist Lefties with their apparently one
time name Looney Leftists.  Besides loons being birds with haunting
cries, the term loonies indicate a bevy of lunatics, also as in the zany
Looney Tunes cartoons.  Being a centrist, I intentionally stay away from
the Looney Leftist edge.  You might read my post more carefully?  Also,
I believe I am completely in support of the Egyptian people’s protest.  I
do not eat goats.  But I am a carnivore!  I also believe I was saying the
US side needs to be calm and not try to exacerbate any violence in
Egypt, to allow the people to determine their own future.

It is clear that the multiple protests throughout a wide swath of Egypt
is now witnessing a struggle for leadership that is emerging from
within the protest antigovernment movement:  Wael Ghonim, Mohamed
ElBaradei, Mohammed Badie, Ayman Nour, and Ahmed Zewall are five
who have the most visibility.  It is also clear that there is no anarchistic
or libertarian hue being considered by the hundreds of thousands of
Egyptian protestors. This has implications for the theoretical anarchist
libertarians. Their argument for the principles of anarchy has its best
chance in decades of taking root in the chaos that is Egypt.  But for
natural reasons, then, self-rule as espoused by anarchy is not anything
in which they seem to have much interest.  They simply want a decent
life.  This is what the world should hope they are successful in getting.

Sorry but I can’t read past that bullshit first line.  When the hell, was Obama on their side to “betray” them?  What “good start”?

To listen to a smug and self-important “centrist” tell “loony leftists” to look in the mirror has sent me into uncontrollable laughter. Could a more roasted kettle call the pot black? Who has met any individual in their lives that is less self-reflective than someone who calls them self a “centrist”?

As for the Egyptian protesters, rather than needing a daddy to tell them what to do if and when they topple the current regime, I think they are more than capable of deciding for themselves what the next step is. Rational behavior isn’t the exclusive territory of the “disinterested elite”, er, I mean “centrists”. No, I think the people in the street in Cairo have a much better idea of what their plan is then some highly “rational” American-born “centrist” ever will.

No, at least the “loony leftists” start from a position of giving the benefit of the doubt to the Egyptian protesters. They leave the all-seeing and all-knowing bloviation to the ultra “rational” “centrists”. Claim to know exactly what he protesters lack all you want, you are just completely full of sh*t and don’t even seem to know it.

David J. Cyr, February 9 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment

U.S. Marines are not required for Obama to murder the democracy movement in Egypt.

A battalion of MoveOn volunteers, armed with pretty painted “HOPE” posters of Suleiman’s visage would do the job faster, better and cheaper.

While I am no fan of MoveOn I am a fan of truth and fairness. As both are typically absent from your posts, Mr.Cyr, crowded out by zealotry and (misguided) passion I would urge you to explain this hit at MoveOn, a group that is far too loyal to Democrats for my taste, but no supporter of those like Suleiman.

That they do try to change from within rather than sharing your extremist pessimism and belief that only violent revolution will bring change is probably the reason for this assassination…..

Shenonymous, February 9 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

I could easily substitute Reactive with “Loony Leftists”!  Loonies are always reactive.  But Reactives are not always loony.

My head spins at this characterization frankly…loons are birds with haunting cries, lefties are a mixed bag and some who call themselves such are not what they believe themselves to be. (See I told you my head is spinning.)

  This Liberal Cheerleader is perfectly firm and always stays away from the edge of cliffs in her centrism. Rah Rah for the Liberals!

Staying away is a problem, getting ones conscience in gear can be habit forming and might even lead to (“shudder”) acting. With yet more evidence at hand ( Egypt) that the USA will ,once again, stifle a peoples movement, install the new which is same as the old, in a case of business as usual, perhaps being “loonie” aint so far wrong.

  So one has to be like the other goats?  The lack of tolerance by those who profess to extoll liberty and freedom of thought and speech is abundant on the Far Left. 
All you Reactive Loonies ought to look in the mirror.

Goat is delicious you know.

Passions run rampant on both sides of issues, and characterising the entire left (ok just the far left) on the basis of a few posts here may be intemperate. Judging Conservatism by a Tea Party rally would be a mistake I think, so this lefty asks for tolerance.

I would also ask, in a typical step too far, that ,since a Democratic President is moving to stifle that aforementioned movement, and you are a democrat, could you talk to him?

Pass the Birria,please.

Obama and the leaders of the Democratic & Republican Parties
do not have the ability to understand what is going on in Africa,
because the above are members of the Ruling Class.

Nor do they have the ability to think outside
the Wall Street / Global Big Money / Might Makes Right BOX
(like FDR who said, ‘‘Wall Street hates me, and I like that).

Perhaps the revolutions in Africa and the Middle East will get
out of hand, and teach us a lesson that a foreign policy based on
our own self-interest won’t work forever.

per Henry Kissinger & John Bolton:
‘‘American foreign policy doesn’t have friends—just strategic interests’‘
—and a growing list of enemies.

Good “music video on the historical role of U.S. in Egypt
and ME

http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2011/02/08/the-
biggest-obstacle-to-democracy-in-the-middle-east/

If it weren’t for the oil, we wouldn’t care! But like all good fascist states we must feed on the resources of others when ours become depleted thru greed and extravegance. The unwashed masses of the ME have lived under the thumb of despots and conquerers for millenia and have continued to live in penury at the behest of a theocratic dogma that keeps them docile in anticipation of postmortal paradise if they behave in this life, sort of like our puritan ancestors as well as our current fundamentalist bible bangers would have us do. The strawman of islamic extremism taking over that part of the world should our puppet regimes fail us are just that as I believe that the people of the ME have also become aware of the devisiveness of religion in their own affairs and truly yearn to be free of the constraints foisted upon them by both secular and clerical oppressors! FREE BRADLEY MANNING!!!!

I could easily substitute Reactive with “Loony Leftists”!  Loonies are
always reactive.  But Reactives are not always loony.  This Liberal
Cheerleader is perfectly firm and always stays away from the edge of
cliffs in her centrism. Rah Rah for the Liberals!  So one has to be like
the other goats?  The lack of tolerance by those who profess to extoll
liberty and freedom of thought and speech is abundant on the Far Left. 
All you Reactive Loonies ought to look in the mirror.

From the very beginning, I Actually have been pondering how the protesters in Egypt were going to resolve their discontent? So far, by asking the ass in charge to vacate his office without a plan for a replacement? Egypt’s protesters, seem like a larger parable of the Tea Baggers and just as coherent! Lots of yelling and discontent,.... without a plan in the world. If I recall,.... France protested with a venue emulated from The Queen of Hearts in “Alice in Wonderland”  so it was off with their heads,..... though things got a bit sticky after the first batch of heads, with guillotines and no heads to chop, it seems France cut off some of their own heads with the ensuing typical power struggle, but finally things settled down and returned as they were.

And, of course there is the most important thing of all, .....American (or world order) interests?

Maybe the Pope can mediate this with his untainted papal objectivity, after all the Pope is Catholic!

As for second guessing Obama, why shouldn’t I? My arm chair is extremely comfortable has its own Tequila holder and after all…... I second guess for free!

Its a wake up call for us -the sheep look up. Julian Assange may flame out in Guantanao
over a broken swedish condom but the genie aint going back in the bottle. The gangrene
stirring at the edges of the empire may yet reveal some humanity. But the dinosaurs who
control our economy, like GM, see no optipn but to take the ship down and preserve
their mega bonuses, even as the tea partiers line up to march under the holy cross of
Abu Grahib. Wonder if Obama at the Chamber of Commerce felt like Ali BAba before
the forty theives? Naw, that would involve more emphathy that is available in DC. Why
read Wikileaks when you have book of Gilgamesh.

U.S. Marines are not required for Obama to murder the democracy movement in Egypt.

A battalion of MoveOn volunteers, armed with pretty painted “HOPE” posters of Suleiman’s visage would do the job faster, better and cheaper.

First, there was “Loony Leftists”

Now there’s “Reactive leftist(s)”

This is the reward some of us get from the assorted cheerleaders for having actual convictions and firm beliefs, instead of running off a cliff chanting “Hope” and “Change”.

Take your gang and shove it.