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Posted on Jul 8, 2010
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By Eugene Robinson

It’s odd how little we’ve heard lately from the skeptics who deny that climate change is real. What’s the matter, people? Heat stroke?

The Venus-like heat that much of the country has been suffering this summer is almost enough to make anybody a believer in global warming. Almost, but not quite: Honesty compels me to acknowledge that a few weeks of record-setting temperatures do not constitute proof of anything. Climate scientists have to analyze data covering decades and centuries to discern what’s really going on.

Of course, the unusually heavy snowstorms that buried Washington and other East Coast cities last winter didn’t prove anything, either. But that didn’t deter the climate skeptics from gloating. Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., and his family went so far as to build an igloo on Capitol Hill and label it “Al Gore’s New Home.” Care to apologize to the Nobel laureate, Senator?

No, that would be too much to hope for. A more realistic wish is that the punishing heat wave will convince those tempted to buy the skeptics’ know-nothing line—“Global warming is a crock! The tree-hugging socialists are making it up! It’s a conspiracy!”—to consider the scientific evidence with an open mind.

We now know that the e-mail correspondence filched from climate researchers’ computers last year, which skeptics portrayed as some kind of smoking gun, in fact doesn’t amount to a water pistol. The messages reveal that scientists can be petty, envious and vindictive—but do not suggest any fudging of data, according to a report issued Wednesday by a blue-ribbon panel in Britain, where the e-mails were hacked. Two previous investigations similarly have exonerated the climate scientists of fraud and validated their methods.


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We also know, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, that “the combined global land and ocean surface temperature” in May was the warmest on record. In fact, NOAA reported, the whole period from January through May, on average, was the warmest since record-keeping began in 1880.

No, that’s not enough to settle the question. But let’s get real. There really isn’t much disagreement among scientists about whether the climate is warming. For the past 100 years or so, we have precise temperature records to compare with today’s measurements. For previous centuries, we have indirect but compelling evidence that the world is getting hotter.

Is human activity to blame? It almost surely is, unless there’s some fundamental flaw in our understanding of chemistry and physics. Scientists understand how molecules of carbon dioxide act to trap heat. They know—not through inference, but from direct measurement of air bubbles trapped long ago in Arctic and Antarctic ice—that there is more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere now than at any time in the last half-million years, perhaps the last million years. The simplest and most logical explanation of why there’s suddenly so much carbon in the air is that humans have put it there by burning fossil fuels. This is what has changed.

The experts who best understand these phenomena are sometimes guilty of overstatement—indeed, they seem never to have met a worst-case scenario they didn’t like. They often come off sounding arrogant, self-righteous, even borderline hysterical. Some of them, when challenged to defend their data or conclusions, seem to regard such scrutiny not as a normal and necessary part of the scientific process but as a threat to human civilization and all that is good and true.

So, yes, there are a few puffed-up jerks on the front lines of the climate change battle. You know who you are. But the fact that some climate scientists would make lousy dinner companions doesn’t change the ways in which matter and energy interact on the molecular level—and doesn’t alter those rising temperature readings.

It’s time to end the silly “argument” over whether climate change is real. Here’s a better question: Would it be more appropriate for humanity to spend, say, $1 trillion reducing carbon emissions, and thus save thousands or millions of lives that could be lost to drought or sea-level rise or whatever at the end of this century or the next? Or spend that money providing clean water in places such as like Congo or Bangladesh, saving thousands or millions of lives right now?

Maybe the answer is that we have to try to do both. But this, at least, is something worth arguing about.

The climate science? Don’t sweat it.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)
© 2010, Washington Post Writers Group

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By tropicgirl, July 13, 2010 at 7:10 am Link to this comment

By the way, along the lines of some of this thread, I don’t know how many
people realize that, despite whatever differences one might have with Mel
Gibson, he is one of the highest-profile, most known champions against the
New World Order, as he states himself.

I watched the television this a.m. where they are talking about arresting him,
based upon a phone conversation/fight he was having with a girl or wife.
Recorded how or when? No one knows.

Not only was the prospect of arresting him not enough, the “forensic
psychologist” was suggesting prison time and drug/alcohol monitoring for 10
years. (This is probably the same forensic psychologist that had no problem
with the Gitmo torture, since it was common policy for shrinks to be for it,
during the torture).

Anyone else see anything wrong here?

The Obama Gang is not funny, incompetent, dumb or anything else but a
criminal figurehead for the NWO/Banks/Saks/War/BP/Britain, with no
conscience, willing to do its bidding. Gee, maybe Holder can get a piece of Mel?

How do you like your socialism now?

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By Kelvin, July 12, 2010 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Robinson
Don’t you know that the temperature in LA area is now decades’ lows.  Also it’s now winter in Autralia, it’s the coldest in 100 years.

The sun spots are active again as well this year.  Nothing is changed as for Global Warming ... it’s a HOAK still.  It’s simple, the temperature was much hotter in the past, centuries ago, than today at some point in time.  Obvioiusly, human’ impact from cars and stuff is so insignificant.  Centuries ago when the weather was hotter than today, there was no car, there was no factory, and no air condition.  Think about it.

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By samosamo, July 12, 2010 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment


Whew, time to cut the connection here, I am not sure if I should
be talking up climate or weather or when the government will
turn our military on us citizens as they did against the
indigenous people who lived here before the europeans invaded,
or the bonus army terrorists trying to get an advance in 1932 for
their combat pay in WW1 or that other terrorist group of
students at Kent State wanting to end the Viet Nam war.

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By BR549, July 12, 2010 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

“We have that right, you know, under the Constitution anyone born here can
become President ....”. You know, when all that birther crap came out, I figured
it was a lot of sour grapes, but I understand what Atty Phil Berg is getting at
and he has a very strong argument that, unfortunately, too many powers that
be can’t afford him to bring to trial. Anyway, moving on ....

While the Arcadia IA and Swansboro NC maneuvers were known to their
populations, what concerns me were the rights of those who knowingly chose
not to participate. Where did the detention and confiscation line get drawn?
Only to those who were willing to participate?

Actually the Arcadia IA event was too heavily protested and ultimately

As for you approval of gun confiscation during an emergency, I would
vehemently argue that that attitude implies that no American citizen has the
discipline to own or operate a firearm under duress. How many policemen have
we seen that wet their pants after being scared shitless, or who totally lose
control of themselves and beat someone senseless or taze some old lady in a

If this country has created a sense of submission as with citizens such as
yourself, it has only itself to blame. While the banksters were too busy
calculating all the ways to convince us that it was too dangerous for us to own
guns, Switzerland has a national requirement that its citizens know how to
operate them. They have annual events with ammunition provided by the
government so that, in the case of an incursion, the entire population would be
ready at the drop of a hat.

Here, the government has long since fallen on its responsibility to support
militias and it then tries to use the flimsy militia framework as an excuse to
label its participants as a rag-tag bunch of sociopathic loose screws. THAT’S
what a lot of natural resources, a strong economy and labor force, a
corruptible legislature and a pessimistic central banking cartel can do to a

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By William W. Wexler, July 12, 2010 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

OK… the urban warfare training exercise in Swansboro, NC does not qualify as a violation of posse comitatus, IMO.  This was a planned military exercise and the people of the town knew about it in advance.


Clip of gun confiscation… I am all for that in emergency situations. I don’t want to get shot by some trigger-happy redneck because of the color of my skin or the cut of my clothes.  The notion that citizens are going to resist the military with their own armories is misguided and insane.  If our military wants you dead you are going to die.  That’s all there is to that story.

The last link didn’t work for me.

I lived near Corpus for quite a while and I never heard about the incident you’re talking about.  However, since Corpus is the home to the Naval Air Station and I personally know pilots that could stick a couple of thousand 50 caliber slugs into a car while flying over it at 500 mph, again, what’s the point?

I’m not trying to be discouraging here, my point is this: rather than planning for a fight with our own military doesn’t it make sense to try to deal with our government from the inside?  We have that right, you know, under the Constitution anyone born here can become President and anyone from anywhere in the world can hold most elected offices.  If you want to fix something REAL, the two party system seems like a real problem that could be fixed if people would get their heads out of their asses and stop voting D or R. 

I have done a poor job of answering your post because I’m in a big hurry.  But I covered the main points of how I feel about the issues you are raising.



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By rollzone, July 12, 2010 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

hello again. i am disappointed again by all of you. scientists declaring facts based upon “controlled environment” data, extrapolated into environmental consequences is bull…., and the climate is warming, is cooling, and has been forever. no, people do not effect climate on a global scale. try this: the oil spill is causing the earth to heat up this summer. that is a taxable fact. expect to pay more taxes for energy, because the oil and natural gas monopolistic barons have you fighting amongst yourselves over race, immigration, and religion enough to continue laughing all the way to their bank. and yes a Chicago business consortium has heavily invested in climate warming and green business initiatives, and they will not stop their special interest lobbying until they recoup their investment in the Goredom promise to deliver. ever wonder how BP could so easily pony up $20 billion, when the economy is tanking for everyone else? hydrogen energy is safe, abundant, clean, and available now- so progressive reformers: spend a little tax on me; with this ‘cap and trade’. full disclosure: it is our destiny.

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By BR549, July 12, 2010 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

William W. Wexler

BTW, the film clip from Lone Gunman aired 6 Months BEFORE 9/11. In an interview
with one of the actors, speaking for the producer as well, the CIA had asked the
script writers to see if there was a way to make this scenario look real. It’s not
unlike the plot in the movie, “Shooter”, with Mark Wahlberg (excellent flick) where
Danny Glover asks the patriotic Wahlberg to plan a presidential assassination .....
so that it could stopped. Yeah, right. Can anyone spell “framed”?

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By BR549, July 12, 2010 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

RE:  William W. Wexler, July 12 at 2:38 pm

Sounds fair. Well you could start with Rep. Jack Brooks’ D-TX questioning of
Oliver North during Iran Contra. After that, there are innumerable dots to
EASILY connect between there and the troop training of over 14 foreign
countries, here on US soil ...... in our cities.

Then we could go to YouTube to see Swanboro NC a few years ago, where the
Marines actively engaged in confiscating weapons and searching vehicles.
Marines Policing US Neighborhoods
Gun Confiscation-Coming to a City Near You!!
Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April

I tried to find the video link to the interview with the Sheriff of Corpus Cristie (I
think) where he was ordered to stand down when he refused to comply with
having his city be used as a training ground for US Troops. Couldn’t find it, but
I did see that one myself.

All this would have been illegal under Posse Comitatus, but then our chief
traitor, George Bush, suspended that so that, incrementally, Obama would then
take everything to the next level.

BTW, did you ever see EPISODE 10 of Lone Gunman, about a wargame scenario
that aired 6 months BEFORE 9/11? The last ten minutes is all you really need to
see. Prior to that, the CIA tries to murder the father of a conspiracy blogger
because the father “knew too much” when he was plugged in to the
government. At the point this clip cuts in, the estranged father and son finally
meet after the son had attended his father’s staged funeral.

You asked for clips? I could bury you with them, but you gotta do some work.
It’s all out there, bro. I wish it weren’t so. I wish, instead that our states
mandated classes in the Constitution in EVERY year of school. That way, kids
would grow up to know exactly what their rights were and what it takes to fight
for them. As it stands now, the feds are counting on the very level of ignorance
they themselves have created.

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By William W. Wexler, July 12, 2010 at 10:38 am Link to this comment


I want to avoid sounding like a prick myself, so please take this with the best meaning possible.  Wiki stuff, although sometimes is 100% right on the mark, is not considered to be a reliable source.  Now I have quoted Wiki articles before that included stuff that I feel should be public information; for example, Babe Ruth’s batting average in 1927. (Not an ACTUAL example, just a hypothetical.)  But for something like FEMA camps, if this is real, is there no better source?  I would think that any media source would LOVE to scoop this story if it were true.  Given Faux News’ antagonism, and Glenn Beck’s paranoia, don’t you think they’d be screaming about it every day?

I will visit your link and read it.  I am not saying I’ll believe it, but it’s always good to know what’s out there.

As far as Gore, I don’t know enough about Gore to know if he’s a prick or not.  If he fucks around, that’s a separate issue than whether or not global warming is real, yes? So since over 50% of marriages fail and some large part of those do because of infidelity, I’d say that if his massage therapist is telling us the truth, then he’s part of mainstream America.


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By BR549, July 12, 2010 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

William W. Wexler, July 12 at 11:03 am

I know this might be a new concept for you, but the information has been out
there, and building, for 25 years, for starters. Wikipedia even has it:
Where’ve you been?

There are so many dots to this issue, it’s almost unfathomable. Poke around and then we’ll talk. As always, be cautious of the rags that go way overboard in antigovernment paranoia. There’s more than enough real information out there to connect a whole bunch of dots.

I had stated on one site that one of my client’s mother-in-law, whom I had an
excellent relationship with, had ventured north of her house about an hour
away from where she lived, to verify for herself any truth to the rumor. She said
that buildings within a former community college had been converted as such
with two rows of inward facing razor wire, guard towers and lighting, and
were being staffed with a skeleton crew at the time she went there.

You need to look into this, really.

I’m sorry, Al Gore isn’t a whore; he’s an asshole and a philanderer ...... don’t
get me started. You should listen to the very credible police interview with the
massage therapist whom Gore had accosted in Portland. Al and Tipper getting
a mutually agreed to divorce? Hardly. Tipper dumped the prick. What a guy.

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By William W. Wexler, July 12, 2010 at 7:03 am Link to this comment

BR549 (great name, reference is not lost on me),

Corporations pay almost nothing in taxes.  Yet their costs to the environment are staggering.  Manufacturing is dirty, it creates toxic compounds that do not simply disappear when you throw them in the river.  The tax structure has been manipulated so that corporations pay very little in taxes and every single dime they pay in taxes gets passed on to consumers, anyway.

So why is everyone defending corporations against being taxed?  What they ought to be doing is demanding that corporations pay for the damages they have caused, and that should come out of their profits not be pushed onto the backs of consumers. 

Please don’t call Al Gore a whore. It adds nothing to the argument.  It just makes you seem disagreeable, and then sometimes it provokes people like me to say really nasty shit.  But I’m in a good mood today, (just got done posting to Christians) and I’ll exercise restraint.

Where exactly are the FEMA camps?  Can you give me addresses, GPS coordinates, cost of construction, and so on? How many “prisoners” can they detain?  When is Obama planning to populate them with Patriots who love the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment so much it makes them cry?

(BR549, I apologize for the last paragraph.  I couldn’t restrain myself, after all, it seems.)

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By General Chaos, July 12, 2010 at 6:42 am Link to this comment
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Do we really need Gore to tell us that pumping carbon monoxide into the atmosphere by the ton is a good idea? Seriously, people commit suicide by breathing in exhaust fumes. Does it sound healthy to do it with millions of cars worldwide…nahhhhh…Does it make sense to dump raw sewage into the water we drink. DO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A DEBATE ON WHETHER THIS IS GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT? The only way we get off oil is to have some kind of world crisis. I guess we have to destroy the atmosphere to get the skeptics on board. When SPF 100 just doesn’t cut it anymore…when all the food you eat is grown in a greenhouse because it’s too hot to grow food where you live. We’ll see how willing they are to do something about it. Funny how people are willing to make changes ONLY when they are directly affected.

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By BR549, July 12, 2010 at 4:59 am Link to this comment

William W. Wexler, July 12 at 1:03 am

And what if the whole point of Global Warming had been actually to USE that as a global taxation vehicle? They’ve known about the effects of industry on the environment for years; they just couldn’t find a way to make even MORE money off it.

It might be one thing for countries to address shifting the education of their
individual populations or immediately racing for wind and solar alternatives,
but to send everything to the IMF and the fact that Gore the Whore had
managed to posture himself quite handsomely over the planet’s adversity only
further shows the motives behind GW.

Whether the Earth’s oceans and atmosphere has the thermal carrying capacity to react to 150 years of chemical assault and treat it as it would a volcanic eruption, only time will will tell, but the people who peddled this “disaster” were opportunists seeking only to gain mileage at the expense of everyone
else, just as is happening with the BP Oil Spill. Never let a good disaster go to waste. There was a reason the response to Katrina was so slow and it wasn’t because of Brownie’s incompetence; it was because FEMA funds had been tied up constructing detention facilities across the country, not unlike FDR’s creating the tax siphons: FDR’s Social Security and Obama’s Health Care bill.

It wasn’t that Global Warming was a ruse, it was that so many meatheads were down here groveling among the scraps of information and only wondering how fast they should support it; not “if” or “why” they were being asked to support it.

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By William W. Wexler, July 11, 2010 at 9:03 pm Link to this comment

As soon as the winter storms start up again, the climate deniers will be busy like little lying beavers tearing their own dams down.

There was a good story at MediaMatters about the so called “climategate” scandal and how it was totally bogus.  I think it’s sort of preaching to the choir, but it does give you a link to shove into the blathering mouth of the person posting “junk science, all lies, climategate, blah blah”.



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By Inherit The Wind, July 11, 2010 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment

As you know Eugene, the Morning Joe show has become nothing but a ‘blame America first’ headquarters for the dying liberal press.

This may be one of the most deliberately non-factual statements I’ve even seen on TD. Joe Scarborough is a CONSERVATIVE who is bright enough and honest enough to recognize that his party has been taken over by a 5th Column of neo-cons, religious fanatics, and know-nothing tea-baggers.

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By call me roy, July 11, 2010 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Robinson, why do you appear on “The Morning Joe” program on MSNBC? As you know Eugene, the Morning Joe show has become nothing but a ‘blame America first’ headquarters for the dying liberal press. Morning Joe is actually a terrible show for information and news. Joe is a hypocrite of the highest sort who cherry picks what he needs to support his ideological views, who has a very selective memory, who is rude and obnoxious, who comes across as an arrogant know-it-all, who is too sarcastic in a nasty way, and who is too often proven stupid by guests on his show. Scarborough is in love with his own voice to the point that no guest has ever been allowed to finish an entire thought—even an entire sentence. MSNBC is clearly going further downhill. Scarbrough is an obnoxious self centered boor who keeps telling the world - what little of it is watching this program- what an important man he was in Congress. So this brings up the question, Mr Robinson? Why would you appear on this show almost everyday? Oh, wait, I know. you have the same Progressive opinions and you want to be one of Barry Hussein Obama’s “Anointed Ones”? Could it be both?
By the way, Eugene, you have your sciences confused. summer heat is caused by ocean currents.
Secondly, Morning Joe has one-third to one-half the viewers that Fox and Friends has. Your on a losing team.

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By jean gerard, July 11, 2010 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment
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Unfortunately there are two kinds of skeptics—those who “don’t believe in”
climate change and hate Al Gore, and those who think “there’s nothing I can do”
and hate Al Gore. 

Both of them need to read Popular Science, July 10 issue and hang their heads in
shame.  “Building a Carbon-Neutral Paradise (p.56+) (what many other wiser
places are succeeding in doing), “Plans for Tomorrow” (p.60), and “A Live-in Power
Plant” (p. 61).  No danger of running into any elite intelligentsia here.  Just plain-
talking practical people who know the score and are taking useful steps.

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By BR549, July 11, 2010 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment

Re:  ocjim, July 11 at 5:18 pm

“The so-called climate skeptics aren’t so much skeptics as they are self-
absorbed children who have been indulged by an audience that takes them
seriously and gives them attention.”

How do you rationalize a statement like that? That hard core dogma is as
dangerous as the so-called skeptics you’re seeking to vilify. Granted, there are
people in BOTH camps that are just media junkies and have no basis for their
opinions except for what they hear from Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity, but
making categorical assertions like that only makes you look as ridiculously

All that said, science still, to this day, does not know enough about the total
thermal carrying capacity to determine whether of not we have a global
warming problem; whether we have actually crossed the line or whether we are
experiencing just another blip in a long term cycle.

Personally, I think we’re doing a piss-poor job of globally managing what
resources we do have and there’s only one group of people that are responsible
for that and it isn’t Mr. & Mrs. Joe Armchair; it’s all those members of the
governing bodies, who have tried to convince everyone that they have the
where-with-all to be holding the reigns to this sled that they are now steering
over the cliff; global warming or no global warming.

Anyway, this was never about GW, it was about finding another vehicle to
siphon money from the world’s population into the IMF. Please don’t tell me
you’re still thinking that the UN’s mission is to keep peace and to help feed the
starving masses. If so, I have a nice bridge over the Hudson you might be
interested in buying.

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By ocjim, July 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

The so-called climate skeptics aren’t so much skeptics as they are self-absorbed children who have been indulged by an audience that takes them seriously and gives them attention. The added inducement is the elite rich whose lobbyists supply the means to remain in Congress and continue to bore the rest of us with their demagoguery.

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By bifl, July 11, 2010 at 11:27 am Link to this comment
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AGW, the zombie that won’t die.  Of course not, it’s the chosen tool of the desired-by-the-elite one world government.  You know the one world made up of the elite (and their house slaves) and worker units (us) with no rights and no power.

Eugene you are so predictable.

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By Fat Freddy, July 11, 2010 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

There’s a difference between meteorology and climatology. The Winter storms and current heat wave are a result of ocean currents, El Nino and La Nina.

So, if you agree that the climate is changing, and that human progress is responsible, how much is the climate actually changing, and how much will it change?

Over the next 50 years

1-2 degrees?

4-5 degrees?

7-8 degrees?

There is no consensus amongst the scientists. Perhaps, further study is necessary before committing vast amounts of public and private resources.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 11, 2010 at 5:46 am Link to this comment

As long as the oil and coal companies are paying for propaganda that disputes the scientific findings for artificially induced climate change, and as long as their paid spokesmen in Congress, the governorships and the press all sound like Sarah Palin, what should be blatantly obvious will remain “an issue”.

Denial is a powerful element when your whole lifestyle must change otherwise.  There are even those claiming the BP spill is no big deal—-I guess they don’t work the Gulf fisheries or resorts.

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By rollzone, July 10, 2010 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

hello. “it almost surely is”, and we most assuredly are
constantly exactly 386,000 miles away from the sun, and
green ice pops make you sick, and taxing people is the
answer, and if you look hard enough it was mankind
which killed off all the dinosaurs so we could have oil
today, and if only that myth about abundant, clean,
safe hydrogen energy were true- oh, nevermind.

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By Jean gerard, July 10, 2010 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment
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“Illuminati who can’t tie their own shoes.”  What an image!

Ballet:  Black stage with fiery hoses winding here and there on the floor, flames
issuing from holes in the hoses. 

Cast of thirteen men in black suits, pants flared from the knee down or skin-
tight, dancing among the flames.  Pointy black hats on heads, also lit on top by
small flashing lights. Large candelabra and other medieval effects.

Each dancer swings in the air a large six-pointed silver Masonic emblem round
and round, singing. Now and then signs accidentally strike each other, making
a loud clinking sound.  Men’s singing voices vary from unison, to four-parts,
chanting “Opus Dei etc.” Latinate mumbo-jumbo, sonorous, mystifying, occult. 
Smoke twisting in the air above stage.

Periodically one of the dancer’s shoes comes untied. He trips over the string
and falls down, attempts to get up, but trips again, finally staggers off stage, to
be followed soon after by another with shoestring problems, repeated till last
dancer crawls offstage, leaving stage empty and silent.  All that remains is:

Backdrop:  Painted scene of underwater mountains on the slopes of which rise
ornate castles, temples, compounds, fortresses.  Overall, a streamer-sign
bearing the legend:  ATLANTIS:  The Once-and-Forever-Great == Doomed to
Rise and Rule Again— Home to Self-appointed Dominators, Benefactors,
Monarchs, Bohemians, Republican Conservatives, CEOs,  and Special Agents of
God Almighty. 

and Sign hanging from ceiling in foreground:



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By Kevin G, July 10, 2010 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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You are so misguided.  No one argues about the absorption properties of CO2.  No one argues that we are emitting CO2.  People argue, with reason, that our emission of CO2 is causing irreversible warming with catastrophic consequences.

The fact is there are errors in proxy data.  Even if you take it as truth, it was warmer 1000 years ago, 2000 years ago, and 6000 years ago than it is today…not to mention warmer at the end of the last inter-glacial.  There are also very LARGE errors in our current surface station observation network - and lets face it, urban heat island correction does not “fix” siting issues, instrument changes, relocation etc.

The fact is, there are huge errors in climate models, and as you incorrectly allude to, the projected warming and the warming that has happened the past 100 years is NOT due to CO2 primarily, but to feedbacks, mainly water vapor.  But the uncertainty as to the feedbacks, water vapor especially, and also cloud parameterizations, should and would cause any reasonable scientist to be truthful about what we know about climate change and human influences…instead we get righteous and politically driven climate pseudoscience from the Mann’s and the Jones’s and the Karl’s. 

There is no such thing as consensus in science.  We know you cannot let any opportunity go to waste, such as a insignificant heatwave that pales in comparison to the mid Atlantic heatwave of 1930…and remember the other half of the country has had a lousy, cold summer.

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By also outraged, July 10, 2010 at 11:18 am Link to this comment
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Please see “Climate Change Means More Heat Waves, Premature Deaths, Scientists Warn” (July 10, 2010, Environmental News Service):

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By BR549, July 10, 2010 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

Re:  dbtodd, July 10 at 9:50 am

I agree with your assessment, but wouldn’t any prudent and forward thinking
manager of a business be thinking of future business trends, resource
allocation, effluent considerations, etc? Not so with the globalists.

The problem with those of the globalist mindset is that, leading up to the
events of late, they had no consideration of the long term consequences of the
economies they birthed, manipulated, and killed. Manipulate the money supply
here, fund both sides of a territorial conflict somewhere else, and it was always
about wealth and power.

ANY decent business management scheme will also be looking at the caliber
and welfare of its employees and the maintenance of the facility; not just at the
corporate bottom line. So, when short-sighted management takes the easy
road and only looks at the latter, it has no one to blame except those with the
managerial myopia that started this whole problem in the first place.

The illuminati have sat back while all those underneath took the hit for
overpopulation, over utilization of natural resources, and the resultant
pollution. Why is it that those on the bottom are now to blame? This is Abu
Ghraib and Lynndie England all over again. No one at the top has the integrity
to take responsibility for the decisions that has caused this mess, so obviously,
they must find some way to spin it so that everyone on the bottom is to blame
and have their numbers reduced through vaccines, GMO foods, fluoridated
water and the like.

The illuminists, now turned globalists, are not about integrity. Their agenda is
all about power and wealth, and we can argue all day long about whether global
warming exists, but when it all comes out in the wash, the reason we are here
having to discuss this mess is because of the ineptitude, misinformation,  and
intimidation of those who have become so disconnected from the rest of
society that they must resort to treating those “beneath” them as cockroaches.
And that’s all we are to the likes of David Rockefeller and George Soros; just

I’m rambling here, but let’s keep our eye on the ball. Our thin fragile envelope
of an atmosphere has the potential to sustain itself and utilize the mass of
ocean waters as huge heat sink. Over many eons, nature has found incredible
ways to sequester the overabundance of carbon on our planet’s surface through
deposits of fossil fuels, methane hydrate stores on the ocean floor, and coral
reefs. How many of you have worked at some place with a wonderful staff,
good working conditions, a reasonable benefits package, but yet had some set
of bonehead managers that couldn’t tie their own shoes?

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By dbtodd, July 10, 2010 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

@Doug Alder

Mr. Robinson does have the quote about weather not being climate change, however the entire article is slanted heavily as an alarmist piece in support of global warming with no references to articles on the actual data other than “scientists” and “experts.” The only reference to actual data is an NOAA report that Jan-May was the warmest on record - which is a reference to WEATHER, not climate change science.

I personally do believe the planet is heating up. My problem with this article is that it offers nothing but the same rhetorical crap we had to suffer through during the Winter, just now it is from the other side. It is clear a majority of the people commenting saw right through this junk.

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By Lawn Man, July 10, 2010 at 1:41 am Link to this comment

Currently dealing with a record cold snap in my home city, so there’s no shortage
of jokes going around about global warming ATM. But as an earlier reader
mentioned, we cannot look at any single event of hot or cold and draw
conclusions. It really is the entire picture over years that must be monitored to
give us the truth.

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By G.I.Moe, July 9, 2010 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment
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Wow….hot weather in the Summer? STOP THE PRESSES!! I don’t remember anything like this happening before. When did It all start?
  If your religious you believe In The Apocolypse - If you’re an athiest then you believe In Global Warming. Either way you are all a bunch brain dead sheep. When a scientist says jump you jump, when a priest says kneel you kneel. Baaah….
**********************************************************    From our earliest days Humans have been predicting the end of times and since my earliest days I’ve wondered…..what kind of screwball eats this crap up? Probably the same kinds of maroons who told Columbus the Earth was flat…..
    .....‘argh, there be monsters here’.
  As for the ‘mighty scientists’, these are the same criminals who gave us the Atom Bomb, Agent Orange, Daylight Savings Time & the A.I.D.‘s virus. There Isn’t one of these gangsters who doesn’t belong In a prison camp.
Honestly I have never seen such a collection of boobs & morons In one place!

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By jean gerard, July 9, 2010 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment
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Admitting the possibility of climate change due to increased carbon emissions
requires admitting that scientists may be right.  People who are into religions
don’t like science, don’t trust science, don’t believe science.

Their next step is to try to prove that science is wrong.  That’s almost
impossible because they aren’t scientists and don’t have the knowledge
necessary to contradict what scientists say.  †hey have only opinion  

They can try to use religion to disprove science but it is difficult if not
impossible to succeed because religion and science are basically entirely
different.  Science depends upon evidence, the discovery of facts that prove or
disprove assumptions. 

Religion does not require evidence or proof—only belief, a voluntary act on
everyone’s part. You can choose to believe religion or not to believe religion. 
But you cannot choose whether or not to believe science without denying
reasonable assumptions based on evidence.

Climate change is a reasonable assumption based on evidence increasing day
by day. The evidence indicates that we can and must stop using so much gas,
oil and coal in order to cut down on carbon emissions. This is bad news for
people who sell oil, gas and coal, and who are cutting down forests and
emitting pollution into air and water. It is also bad news for religions because
most religions teach people that demanding evidence makes religions harder
to believe.

Climate change is a world problem and requires people everywhere to admit
scientific evidence,  in spite of the millions of dollars the energy companies
pump into denials—and that in addition to the millions of tons of pollution
we cause by continuing to use their products.

Are you human?  Retype the words you see here.    Solar.  Wind.  Geothermal.

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By MeHere, July 9, 2010 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment


Definitely. The “green busine$$” is moving in. They know that, given the nature of
our society, most people will support industry and consumption more easily than
endorse good government leadership in this matter.  Al Gore is an opportunist
who has been made into an environmental god of some kind for having made a movie while those studying and working on environmental issues for the longest time are virtually unknown.

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By Bill Jones, July 9, 2010 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment
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They all died in the last unusually cold winter.

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By mindful, July 9, 2010 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

It does seem clear, a hot summer will not convinced Sarah Palin or the storm troopers for capitalism and whole sale profits, anything is wrong.

In fact, they crowed every time last winter some weather event made the news. For example the blizzards in Washington.

Climate change of course is based on years of study, but that said the Earth can change remarkably quickly from a heat pump to a snow ball.

One mystery recently cited. The sea levels appeared to actually rise, not fall, during the last bout with glacaition about 12,000 year ago?

Perhaps of course the data is faulty, no one knows, but it clearly demonstrates climatology is not an exact science.

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By BR549, July 9, 2010 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

Re:  MeHere, July 9 at 4:35 pm

I think the point that some of us are trying to make is that the same forces that
were for so long able to glean their wealth off the backs of people who actually
worked for a living, and who were all in favor of growth, build-up,
construction, and drilling, are now posturing themselves on the side of
planetary stewardship if they can somehow put everyone’s focus on the color
green. You have to remember, Gore’s color green is the ink on paper, not in
plant chlorophyll.

It only stands to reason that any “responsible” and “conscious” population
would take into consideration the long term survivability of its people, and
indeed the survivability of the entire planetary environment. But these people
are not about the environment; to them, this issue is solely about making even
more wealth on the downswing of the technology bubble, nothing more.

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By MeHere, July 9, 2010 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

Climate science, like other sciences, is full of mysteries and perpetually evolving.
But we do know that the melting at the poles has been accelerating and that the
planet’s temperature is increasing. Nobody seems to argue about that.  We can continue to argue about how much human activity contributes to that specific problem. But is there any doubt that the result of uncontrolled industrial activity is affecting us at this very moment?  We have ruined land, air and water, the very elements on which our lives depend. There’s plenty of evidence that it’s getting harder to get healthy food and breathe clean air. How much more do we need to know to conclude that we are already suffering from exorbitant industrial contamination?

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By samosamo, July 9, 2010 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment


What everybody ignores is the little baby boy, el nino. Eugene
even evoked NOAA which I would not doubt had the correct
information e.r. used about the warmest ‘combined land and
ocean surface’ temperatures being the warmest recorded, this
past May.

While all this ‘hitting back’ at the ‘fools of deniability’ was going
on, not one person happened to remember ALL the storms that
crossed america up until this past May from last years easter
rash of storms and I am sure there are more than a few who
remember those, I do because I had to replace my roof
eventually because all the succeeding storms through the year
kept blowing all the shingles off my house that I had replaced.
And that doesn’t account for all the trees knocked down and
power outages(the storm of easter of 2009 caused a loss of
power for more than 2 days here).

Even California or at least L.A. had some most unusual wet
weather and storms as my cousin living there related to me. Even
some more than usual cool weather, even snow on the
surrounding mountains.

But back to el nino, when this event cycles on through, it creates
these storms that dump more moisture on north america in
places and once it is spent and retreats, so to speak, to rebuild
for a couple of few years in Indonesia, then north america is
sacked with heat and little rain or violent in places. I do
remember, and I think it was NOAA or maybe ACCUweather that
one or more prognosticator are predicting more water and
hurricanes for this year but as of yet, since the end of May, there
has been little moisture or at least nothing near what was
dumped here over the last year and a half.

Buoy data at NOAAs site does indicate some very warm surface
temperatures around the gulf and caribbean and the atlantic
shores which could lead to more and maybe strong hurricanes,
but hey, only time will tell on that.

Climate change happens, and in this new modern world people
are most likely exacerbating it but the weather is just about as
unpredictable as it has always been and el nino is a mean little
bastard step child when he wants to be, so don’t leave him out of
your discussions.

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By knobcreekfarmer, July 9, 2010 at 11:58 am Link to this comment


Even though I think climate change deniers are lost somewhere between greed and a barbarian mindset
their head lug nut, Rush Limbaugh, did go on and on the other day about just that. And he really can go
on and on. That’s one of his techniques. If he repeats himself enough the weak minded will believe.

Basically he said (I paraphrase), “It’s summer! Come on people, it gets hot in New York in July…” Then he
went on to give some record temp statistics to back up his claim.

I say let the fuckers burn up and kill the planet. We had our chance. “People” aren’t worthy.

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By Doug Alder, July 9, 2010 at 11:49 am Link to this comment
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@dihey July 9 at 2:39 pm

If you are going to comment on something it behooves you to actual comprehend what the writer was saying. Apparently you never even made it to the end of the second paragraph where Mr. Robinson clearly states

“Honesty compels me to acknowledge that a few weeks of record-setting temperatures do not constitute proof of anything. Climate scientists have to analyze data covering decades and centuries to discern what’s really going on.”

He’s well aware of the difference between climate and weather.

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By dihey, July 9, 2010 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

Mr. Robinson: Neither a transient heat wave in the Eastern United States nor lots of rain and unseasonable mild days here in Houston are evidence for or against Global Warming.

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By tropicgirl, July 9, 2010 at 9:44 am Link to this comment


I sincerely wish it was about ideology, but its about making millions and
controlling everything that happens here. And how it will be used is for the
same goals that we go to war for now…. control of resources, control of land,
control of bases, and eventually control of space.

But a more serious problem you exhibit here is shown by this statement…

““a lot of loudmouthed, right wing, dumb shits are successfully manipulating
the public to help them raise their ratings and maintain the existing power

The main people pushing the New World Order will operate via both parties
when they can get cooperation from either. Right or Left makes no difference.

And Obama and the Dems are in control, as we can see by recess appts,
signing statements, majorities to pass legislation, and so on.

The hidden manipulators love it when the argument sinks to Dems vs. Repubs.
You’re being had. And, like Gene, here, who makes his living this way, it makes
their day when they can con you like this…  Its much, much bigger than that.
Its worldwide.  And you really should try and take the red pill, my friend…

(what is the red pill?)

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By godistwaddle, July 9, 2010 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

Why, Robinson simply asks, do the retards in Fox News and the Republithug party who claimed last winter’s snows PROVED global warming a hoax now not claim that this heat wave PROVES global warming.  To be consistent, they’d have to.

But, as we know, most Mrkns and especially those who watch Fox and vote Republican are stupid and ignorant, loving the corporations who screw them.

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By BR549, July 9, 2010 at 8:33 am Link to this comment

Re:  robertaustin, July 9 at 11:29 am

What planet are you from? I’m not a conservative, by any stretch of the
imagination. I have a science, engineering, and medical background. I voted for
Obama, don’t support the death penalty, and you, SIR, are so far off course as
to your assessment, I’d be surprised if you could navigate out of your driveway.

If you’re having issues with your own political ideology, please don’t drag your
baggage onto the list here. Gore was using this issue as a scheme to make
billions. BILLIONS. This wasn’t wasn’t some magnanimous gesture to care for
the Earth and educate the masses to become stewards of the planet; it was a
vehicle to siphon wealth, regardless of the fact that any prudent managers of
our way of life we have would have out of necessity been planning along these
lines decades ago. The forces that you appear to be so oblivious to have been
at this since England took their sour grapes approach the colonies having won
their independence, and most notably after the early 1900s, many aspects of
life and business in this country were being handed over to people with an
incredible amount of wealth and power.

You just don’t get it. Yes, we may very well be suffering from global warming,
but I’m not so stupid as to not see who or which group would be using any
adversity as a means to further enslave the hoards of Starbucks toting Prius
owners who are still enthralled with some inane message of HOPE. The Jews in
the gas chambers were hoping too, so you just go right ahead on inside and
we’ll delouse you in just a moment. Gawd, if there are many more like you, this
country is f_cked!

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By Leefeller, July 9, 2010 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

Can you say Millennium?
Can you say 2012? 
Can you say Pig Flu?
Can you say Republican?

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By robertaustin, July 9, 2010 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

In response to tropic girl:
By invoking Aldous Huxley, your statement is stoked by a lot of intellectual fire power, however I’m not sure I get your point. You seem to be suggesting that a scientific elite is using fear of climate catastrophe to control the masses. However, that does not explain what is actually happening - that a lot of loudmouthed, right wing, dumb shits are successfully manipulating the public to help them raise their ratings and maintain the existing power structure.

For BR549:
You refer to Gore and others who sound the alarm of climate change a “misanthropic entourage of elitists.” I hear this kind of thing a lot from conservatives. People are misanthropes who tell us that things we are doing aren’t good for our planet and its inhabitants and that we should consider making sacrifices to ensure that our descendants don’t have to suffer unnecessarily. “Misanthropes,” “elitists…”; this is merely name calling by a bunch of spoiled and selfish cry babies unwilling to part with some of their noxious toys. You claim that scientists who warn about over population and climate change hate the human race. Now that is the pot calling the kettle black. The climate change deniers are often the same people who enthusiastically support the death penalty and military invasions of other nations that result in the deaths of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of innocent human beings. Remind me again, who are the misanthropes? Climate change denial is all about ideology. Try looking at data for a change.

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By balkas, July 9, 2010 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Being bulish ab being and continue being sitting bulls, alone wld justify more public transport.

Sitting-lying 20-23 hrs a day is not a good way to live.
A vehicle weighing 3-5 k kilos carrying 100 kilos of meat and a few golf clubs is OK for elephants, but not for people, dogs, and raccoons.

In add’n, drilling for oil is not drilling for sanity, but for having insane power over the ‘lowlife’ and ‘lownations’.tnx

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By tropicgirl, July 9, 2010 at 6:49 am Link to this comment

The situation is a lot more serious than this, I believe:...

““In a 1962 speech at UC Berkeley, Aldous Huxley spoke about the real world
becoming the ‘Brave New World’ nightmare he envisaged. Huxley spoke
primarily of the ‘Ultimate Revolution’ that focuses on ‘behavioural controls’ of
people. Huxley said of the ‘Ultimate Revolution’:

“Today, we are faced, I think, with the approach of what may be called the
‘Ultimate Revolution’ – the ‘Final Revolution’ – where man can act directly on
the mind-body of his fellows. The techniques of terrorism have been known
from time immemorial, and people have employed them with more-or-less
ingenuity, sometimes with utmost crudity, sometimes with a good deal of skill
acquired with a process of trial and error – finding out what the best ways of
using torture, imprisonments, constraints of various kinds . . .

(But) If you are going to control any population for any length of time, you must
have some measure of consent. It’s exceedingly difficult to see how pure
terrorism can function indefinitely, it can function for a fairly long time; but
sooner or later you have to bring in an element of persuasion, an element of
getting people to consent to what is happening to them.

This is the ultimate in malevolent revolution…

I am inclined to think that the scientific dictatorships of the future – and I think
there are going to be scientific dictatorships in many parts of the world – will
be probably a good deal nearer to the Brave New World pattern than to the
1984 pattern.

They will be a good deal nearer, not because of any humanitarian qualms in
the scientific dictators, but simply because the ‘brave new world’ pattern is
probably a good deal more efficient than the other. (Fascism is quite efficient).

In 1961, President Eisenhower delivered his farewell address to the nation in
which he warned of the dangers to democracy posed by the military-industrial
complex: the interconnected web of industry, the military, and politics creating
the conditions for constant war. In that same speech, Eisenhower warned
America and the world of another important change in society:

“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by
task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion,
the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific
discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly
because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a
substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now
hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment,
project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to
be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we
must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could
itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

In 1970, Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote about “the gradual appearance of a more
controlled and directed society,” in the “technetronic revolution”; explaining:
Such a society would be dominated by an elite whose claim to political power
would rest on allegedly superior scientific know-how. Unhindered by the
restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its
political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public
behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control. Under such
circumstances, the scientific and technological momentum of the country
would not be reversed but would actually feed on the situation it exploits.”“”

To me this explains a lot.

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By diman, July 9, 2010 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

Gordy I agree with you, nobody in the so-called science community on the corporate payroll knows jackshit about what is going on with the climate, one group says it is getting warmer and presents an “irrefutable scientific proof” at the same time another group says it is getting colder and the icecaps are not actually melting and we are presented with another piece of proof which is just as irrefutable as the other one.

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By BR549, July 9, 2010 at 5:17 am Link to this comment

I would agree with all you say. I would suggest, however, that the forces that
have driven the economies of the world for well over a century are like a
dysfunctional store manager who blames everything that goes wrong on his
employees who were only doing what they had been told to do and been given,
by him, the resources to do it.  Had these elitists had any degree of managerial
talent, we would have long ago been actually successful in securing peace
around the globe, making sure everyone was fed and housed, and educated to
the point of volunteering to keep population numbers at controllable or
reducible levels. But the only way to do that would be to tell the truth of what
is really going on ..... and they can’t afford to show their cards and still stay in

Flat and simple, these people couldn’t manage a lemonade stand without
having to steal the lemons off a neighbors tree or sending a neighborhood
bully over to shake down the competition.

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By Tobysgirl, July 9, 2010 at 4:58 am Link to this comment

A heat wave is not an indication of climate change, but rising ocean temperatures are. What people cannot seem to grasp is not that the summers are going to be that much hotter, but that we will experience more and more extreme weather due to ever-increasing winds (which result from the warming oceans). Years ago they were concerned in Scotland (which experiences a lot of wind) about their buildings not being able to withstand even higher winds.

Southern Maine has experienced flooding in recent years, something I never heard of when I lived there. We have certainly experienced climate change in central Maine, which used to have temps to 40 below zero Fahrenheit in the winter (my husband milked cows and the water would freeze as it came out of the hose); we now rarely experience 10 below, and this has been a consistent PATTERN (thank you, truedigger3) in recent years.

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By BR549, July 9, 2010 at 4:49 am Link to this comment

The Earth is currently in it’s third form of atmosphere, and yes, the CO2 used to
be much higher, but the point is not that a few ignorami are getting all wigged
out over what are known to be cyclic changes in our atmosphere; it’s that Al
Gore and that whole misanthropic entourage of elitists had sought to use that
or any scenario to further drain the financial blood from our nation’s (indeed
the world’s) middleclass.

Watch what happens with the BP Spill. These same people will milk this for all
it’s worth. Thank God for ClimateGate for at least exposing how, under global
hardship, which group would be trying to steal the food and the lifeboats for

If this group of globalists has basically been in charge of the world’s energy
management for at least the last century, they get an “F”. All those funds that
they have been extorting from the members of the U.N. over the years under
the guise of feeding the starving masses was nothing but a ruse, a means to
fuel the IMF; the playtoy of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on
Foreign Relations. Mankind has been manipulated into having it’s wealth
continually squeezed from it and now, as their dysfunctional management style
is proving to be a failure, their answer is to eradicate over half the population
of the planet, like the cockroaches they think we are.

They’re all fired.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 9, 2010 at 4:36 am Link to this comment

Who benefits the most from discounting Global Warming and the effects of pollution? 

The fossil fuel companies: Oil, Gas, Coal, OPEC. 

The power companies. (no need to upgrade dirty burning generators if Global Warming is phony, right?)

The auto makers. (What do we need expensive pollution controls and CAFE standards for?)

And who do you think is funding the “studies” that “disprove” Global Warming and Climate Change?

First they say there is no change.  Then, when things like no ice on the North Pole in summer happen, then say “but it’s all natural, no PROOF it’s from pollution”.

Unbelievable.  Even the dumbest dummy knows you don’t shit in your drinking water.

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By Gordy, July 9, 2010 at 4:23 am Link to this comment

“Honesty compels me to acknowledge that a few weeks
of record-setting temperatures do not constitute
proof of anything.”

Yes, so… what’s the point of this article? 

Stop throwing tomatoes at skeptics - you don’t really
know what’s true; you’ve just chosen a side.  You
can’t rightly dismiss everyone who disagrees as
loonies or profiteers.  So glib and arrogant. 

P.S. There was up to 20 times more CO2 in the
atmosphere when Earth supported tyrannosaurus,
diplodocus and vast rainforests.
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By miniwoodnz, July 9, 2010 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

The USA Republican party has a lot to answer for.
In actual fact far more than Hitler or Stalin or any other tug of last Century.
With their screaming they will be responsible for the death of millions of people

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By kerryrose, July 9, 2010 at 4:00 am Link to this comment

On the contrary, climate scientists have not been alarmist, or strident.  Considering the data that they are analyzing, they are remarkably quiet, and stay within their own community.

When is the last time you heard a real climate scientist screaming for attention?  I think they would make wonderful dinner companions.

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By godistwaddle, July 9, 2010 at 2:52 am Link to this comment

Expecting conservatives to be intelligent, consistent, and coherent is like expecting the village dunce to figure out time travel or a newborn to dance the wild fandango.

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By truedigger3, July 9, 2010 at 2:37 am Link to this comment

Althouhg I am a believer that there a GCC and that humans are responsible for it, a heat wave or a cold snap doesn’t prove or disprove anything.
The proof is in patterns and studying it and here the proof is irrefutable that there is warming trend and it is associated by higher and higher carbon dioxide and methane gases in the atmoshpere.

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