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Posted on Jan 14, 2011
White House / Pete Souza

By Eugene Robinson

The powerful elegy that President Obama delivered in Tucson was a big step toward his long-held goal of transforming the nation’s choleric and dysfunctional political culture. Subsequent steps will be harder—but no longer seem impossible.

Listening to Obama’s speech brought back memories of Obama the candidate, a mesmerizing orator with the power to summon visions of a better America. He seemed almost to transcend politics.

If you listened to what candidate Obama was saying, he often came back to a central theme: Our political system is mired in trench warfare, along battle lines that were established decades ago. We will only be able to move forward if we get beyond the arbitrary and obsolete divisions that keep us at one another’s throats.

For the first two years of his administration, however, the ideological combat has escalated. Obama’s political adversaries bear some of the responsibility; his allies bear their share as well.

So does the president. While he never stopped preaching his message of getting past the old dichotomies—progressive-conservative, left-right, Democrat-Republican—he also never devised a new template for political discourse. Washington quickly fell back into its old ways.

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Wednesday night, in his moving tribute to those slain and injured in the Tucson shooting, the president created for himself another opportunity to bring about the transformation he seeks. It is fitting that the key passage came as Obama, the father of two daughters, was talking about the massacre’s youngest victim: Christina Taylor Green, a 9-year-old who was there because she wanted to meet her congresswoman, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

“I want to live up to her expectations,” Obama said, his voice rising like that of a preacher nearing the end of his sermon. “I want our democracy to be as good as Christina imagined it. I want America to be as good as she imagined it.”

He noted that Christina had been featured in a book about 50 children who were born on Sept. 11, 2001. “If there are rain puddles in heaven, Christina is jumping in them today,” Obama said. “And here on this Earth, we place our hands over our hearts, and we commit ourselves as Americans to forging a country that is forever worthy of her gentle, happy spirit.”

That’s a beginning. One thing we can all agree on is that we want to leave a better nation and a better world to our children, but fear we will not. This could be part of a framework that’s oriented not on a left-right axis but a temporal axis—what will be the effect of a certain measure now, and what will be the effect 20 years from now.

Don’t smirk. I realize that every politician always claims to be acting on behalf of future generations—and some actually mean it. But for most of our country’s history, Americans have been able to have confidence that our children will have better lives than our own, pretty much regardless of how we might screw things up. That’s not true anymore.

As I said, the next steps will be hard. There are genuine, legitimate disagreements on a host of issues, and some look almost impossible to reconcile.

The Tucson tragedy presents an example. I believe passionately that the slayings illustrate, once again, the urgent need for sensible gun control laws that get assault weapons out of the stores and off the streets. There are those who believe with equal passion, however, that tough gun control measures would amount to trading away an unacceptable measure of freedom in exchange for more security.

I don’t see it this way at all. But I do recall making a similar freedom-vs.-security argument in opposing some of the anti-terrorism measures that were enacted by the George W. Bush administration. Perhaps acknowledging that we at least share the same thinking process is a beginning, even as we argue our different opinions.

And argue them we must. President Obama’s call for civility in our public discourse should not preclude vigorous debate, often in strong language. But if we can “question each other’s ideas without questioning each other’s love of country,” as Obama asked us to do, we’ll have taken another step along a newly promising road.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
© 2011, Washington Post Writers Group


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By garth, January 19, 2011 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

It is good to return to the basic article for a re-read now and then, so saith I.

Right off the bat, I find this,

“The powerful elegy that President Obama delivered in Tucson was a big step toward his long-held goal of transforming the nation’s choleric and dysfunctional political culture. Subsequent steps will be harder—but no longer seem impossible.”

First of all, ‘powerful’ elegy?  It was his swan song.  He sounds the same played forward and backward.  In declarative sentences clipped at the end with a pseudo-racial accent tic, he pursed his lips to show he meant what he’d just said.

Even powerful oratory can get old.  Obama’s style gets old fast.  He should ask Mario Cuomo to teach him how to develop and idea in a speech. And knock off the Mussolini-style pursed lips, jutted jaw and nod to the audience as his head angles to a haughty attitude level.


“...transforming the nation’s choleric and dysfunctional political culture.”

He’s the friggin’ cause of this choleric, dysfunctional culture.  He should grow up put on his long pants and stand for something besides old Republican ideas and solutions.

To American voters, sacred and tired, you picked yourself a real loser. 

For all the status minded sucks out there, he’s doing well, but he’s doing us absolutely no good.

He’s like the friends of Rodney Dangerfield.  All his friends could do him absolutely no good.


Subsequent steps, unless they are backward, are impossible.  We are in the psychologists double bind.

We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. 

Time to have a board movement. Game over! Clear the deck!  Everyone out of the pool!

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By Gabriel, January 19, 2011 at 12:32 am Link to this comment
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@ MarthaA

You can’t preach to me or twist the truth as I know better, as do most here and all over Earth.

The fact is History defines the future. This means people don’t forget due to knowing what happened previously by keeping RECORDS.

Let me make it really simple for you: This war between Europeans and rest of the world has been going on for over 13,500 yrs and most likely much longer, when Heliopolis [Egypt] was the central meeting place for all cultures and it won’t stop til destructive Europeans are put back in their place.
- Til all tyrants and abusers world wide are put to death or stuck in jail for the rest of their lives.
- Til Natural, Common Laws and Universal Laws are restored.

What we see today is just the beginnings of the cleanup, a minor part of the start. What’s coming is total inhalation of ALL destructive forces. If people don’t do it then Earth itself will. That’s the way it was, is and will be til end of time.

So called Israel might come to power for a short time but it will be destroyed ... fully and totally. As will all tyranny based systems.

Now if you can’t see this basic fact already starting World Wide then I feel sorry for you.

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By MarthaA, January 18, 2011 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel, January 18 at 10:15 pm & TAO Walker, January 18 at 10:35 pm,

It is much easier to argue and be in contention that to work toward peace.  If you want your children to quit being killed, peace is a must.

Israel has been a nation since 1948, that is 63 years.  You may not like it but since the UN declared Israel a rightful nation and they came from everywhere to that land, they not only have United Nation rights, but by now they have squatters rights. 

If the Palestinians are waiting until the land can be put back exactly the same before peace can be found, it may be forever, even though Palestine once included the whole of Israel.

Both Palestine and Israel must give up on contentiousness and work toward a settlement for peace, because it is highly unlikely the ancient perimeters of the land can be put back exactly as it was in ancient times in the 21st Century.

In order to stop the killing both nations are going to have to agree to disagree and divide what is there so that each nation will have their own part, but that both can have use of all, and quit fighting.

Whether or not I know about Middle East history is of little significance.  I do know my Cherokee forefathers’ United States history because they originally lived in Red Clay, Georgia, but they were forceably moved to Oklahoma in the “Trail of Tears”.  It would be nice to live on the exact piece of property where my ancient ancestors lived, but Oklahoma is acceptable, and will probably be the last place to go under water when all the ice melts and earthquakes in Oklahoma are an acceptable level as well.  One has to learn to accept what is, instead of trying to force the ancient past in the 21st Century.  Culture is very important and since both of your nations have the same culture, it seems imperative to me that working together toward peace and both nations sharing the same land is the only solution.

Peace

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By TAO Walker, January 18, 2011 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA January 18 @ 4:13 a.m.

Dream on!

HokaHey!

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By Gabriel, January 18, 2011 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment
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@ MarthaA, January 17 at 10:38 pm
“I will make note of your story, but it does not corroborate with the Holy Bible. ... “

“Condemnation without full investigation is the height of all ignorance.” - Albert Einstein

Another words it doesn’t matter what you think is the correct version. Once you have documents, tablets, papyri and all the FACTS from ALL sources don’t lie once you have them from origins ... no matter how much you’d like them to be your way.

History doesn’t care which bent or opinion you’d like to believe or promote. It will show how much you try to lie or manipulate the truth. And that goes for rest of your comments wink
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@ truedigger3, January 18 at 12:04 am
“From where did you get that silly stupid stuff?”

You see it works like this:
- first you go to your local library and study it FULLY. You will find large sections missing so you dig deeper.
- you try til you reach Library of Congress and other archives ... which will give you references to direct documents and sources
- you go study these documents and sources, including private collections, to get full FACTS. 
- you put them ALL together, no matter what your personal opinion, and you will clearly see the truth.

It’s called Basic Investigative Skills. Any child can do it given enough time.

PS What those records hold is way beyond what I mention here. It will blow your mind and your perception of what you call reality. What I’ve given here is the utmost basic overview.
Hint ... I suggest you start studying. smile

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By MarthaA, January 17, 2011 at 11:13 pm Link to this comment

Without forming a unity of class and culture for the representation of that class and culture in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order, the common population trying to represent themselves individually will be criminalized.

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By MarthaA, January 17, 2011 at 11:04 pm Link to this comment

garth, January 18 at 2:21 am,

I think we can pretty well be assured we have been sold out by the entire lot as they represent their constituencies which do not include the common population of the United States.  If it isn’t able to be seen by now, I don’t know how much worse it is going to have to be for the common populace before it is seen and they realize they are not the Middle Class. 

It is time for the 216 Million member of the 70% Majority Common Population to realize who they are, unite as the American Common Populace, and without conflict or contention withdraw into our own class and culture in order to be representative of an agenda for our own class and cultural and demand equality with the class and cultural agendas of the Middle Class and the Aristocracy. 

If the Majority Common Population want representation in the making of legislated law and order, they have no choice, because the Middle Class separated from the Common Population , formed a NEW CLASS and quit representing the best interest of the Majority Common Population altogether.

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By MarthaA, January 17, 2011 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment

Conden, January 18 at 2:43 am,

Dream on.

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By Conden, January 17, 2011 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

Netanyahu wants to illegally steal more Palestinean land; all Palestinean actors in the conflict want the internationally agreed two state solution, which means that israel gets out of Palestine immediately.  End of story.

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By garth, January 17, 2011 at 9:21 pm Link to this comment

Obama is to the Progressive wing of the Democratic Party what Benedict Arnold was to the American Revolution.  He is also our Aaron Burr.  But with him it was by stealth and a dagger in the back along with the help of the News media and the jibber-jabber of gullible-acting talk show hosts.

Who would you want to work with, a no-backbone traitor to your cause or your known enemies? 

At least, you know what to expect from your enemies.

If the Democratic co-conspirators give in without a fight to stop Obama from moving this country further toward a less equitable 1920s style economy, then we can all be damn sure that we have been sold out by the entire lot.

We’ll be in a mad rush to the 1920s followed by a replay of the 1930, in spades.  What they are doing won’t work and what they have in mind has disaster written all over it.

What don’t they understand about 31 million unemployed?  Or is that just part of their plan?

And they wonder why the Arabs hate us, or 75% of the world for that matter.  No one likes a two-faced, overly weaned bully with no backbone.

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By MarthaA, January 17, 2011 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

Conden, January 17 at 11:54 pm,

It appears that you are really mixed up.  The Holy Bible is not rightest propaganda, admittedly the Right uses it for propaganda, but if one actually reads the Holy Bible, either book, but especially the New Testament, they will find it to be liberal instead of conservative.

The Holy Bible says there will be wars and rumors of wars; and as far as I can see, there are wars and rumors of wars, so I would say that is an exact statement of what is happening.  I just wish the United States would get out of the wars and rumors of wars.

Netanyahu wants peace; when the Palestinians really want peace, then they will work together with Israel for peace, but there can’t be peace without the acceptance of Israel’s right to be. 

It doesn’t do any good to complain about the dead in war, because death happens, it is the nature of war,

America has lost a lot of young men and women in these needless wars, as well, but war is very profitable and our nation is being run by corporations instead of the people; so, as you surely know, stopping the wars isn’t that easy for the people, as the majority of the people in America would like to stop the wars, but do not even have political representation for themselves; therefore whatever the people say will fall on deaf ears in America until the people unite for representation of the common populace as a class and culture instead of individuals that can be ignored.

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By truedigger3, January 17, 2011 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

Re: By Gabriel, January 17 at 3:40 pm

Gabriel,

What kind of “history” is this? This is rediculous nonsense! Many thanks, you gave me a good laugh!.
From where did you get that silly stupid stuff??

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By Conden, January 17, 2011 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

Martha, your post was full of insane rightist propaganda.  I’m sure the bible is a great guide to the current political situation in the middle east, huh?  But clearly, no, a neocon supporting zionist fascism and everything else in the right wing democratic obama agenda is nothing close to being a leftist. 

The facts:

“In the past 10 years Israeli forces have killed at least 255 Palestinian minors by fire to the head, and the number may actually be greater, since in many instances the specific bodily location of the lethal trauma is unlisted.

Below is a small sampling of those who died.

Sami, 12, died of head wounds from IDF gunfire during a demonstration. Abdul, 9, was killed by IDF gunfire to his head during a funeral. Ala, 14, died of head wounds from IDF gunfire while on the terrace of his home one hour after injuring an Israeli soldier with a stone. Omar, 11, died of head wounds from IDF gunfire during a demonstration. Diya, 3 months, was killed, along with her older brother, by Israeli settler gunfire to her head and back. Bara, 10, was killed by IDF gunfire to his head while near his home. Ayman, 15, was killed by IDF tank fire to his head while farming. Khalil, 11, was killed by IDF tank fire to his head while playing with a friend. Rami, 13, was killed by IDF helicopter fire to his head while playing in front of his house. Yaser, 11, died of head wounds from an IDF rubber-coated bullet fired at close range during a demonstration…/1/

Imagine if these names were Bobby… Michael… Susan… Melissa… Jimmy…
and that the foreign troops killing them were invading Arizona, Connecticut, Ohio…

Ironically, the American Congresswoman recently so tragically shot in the head has been extremely close to the Israel lobby, which has played a critical role in enabling the tragedies sketched above. The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) works year after year to ensure that the approximately $7-8 million per day of American tax to Israel /13/ keeps flowing regardless of how many civilians its troops kill. /14/

She called a 2001 visit to Israel a turning point in her life (Israeli forces killed 103 children that year, 31 of them shot in the head) and wrote in 2006 (a year in which Israeli forces killed 665 Palestinians, 139 of them children, and Palestinians killed 23 Israelis, two of them children) that “the United States must do everything possible to secure Israel’s long-term security.” /17/ Palestinian victims – killed first and in far greater numbers – seem to have been invisible to her. /18/

http://www.counterpunch.org/weir01142011.html

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By TAO Walker, January 17, 2011 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

“Inherit The Wind,” in his anguish and distress, can only lash-out childishly at an effigy existing nowhere but in his own troubled mind.  There’s no ‘reason’ anybody “should” pay attention to anything this Old Man has to say here.  It’s all just a description of what ‘the-situation’ looks like from here in Indian Country, anyhow.

Maybe he is among those drowning in the rip-tide of the “civilization” disease process who’re too proud to acknowledge the depth of their predicament, and so feel only reflexive resentment toward anyone offering a genuine Life-line….but, “It’s to laugh!”

HokaHey!

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By MarthaA, January 17, 2011 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel, January 17 at 3:40 pm,

What a story.  I will make note of your story, but it does not corroborate with the Holy Bible.  I choose to stick with the Holy Bible and it doesn’t matter to me whether you or anyone else thinks the Holy Bible isn’t history—it is.  At least you do confirm that Jesus threw the money changers out of the Jewish Temple, which is more than many will do.  Only the fullness of time will tell the truth and sooner or later that day will come, but I expect it will be a while.

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By de profundis clamavi, January 17, 2011 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

Eugene Robinson: plug him in, push the button, and out comes the stream of comforting mainstream liberal platitudes.

Eugene is still watching and writing about that Obama guy as though he matters.

The rest of us need to realize that watching, listening to and talking about Barack Obama is a complete waste of time.

If we want to see positive change in this country, we have to do it ourselves, individually and collectively.

Elections are irrelevant. What matters are

boycotts

strikes

demonstrations

making your message public

telling everyone who will listen that a government of the corporations:-

Wall Street banking/finance/insurance corporations;
arms manufacturing corporations;
oil corporations;
agribusiness corporations;
drug manufacturing corporations;
sales, PR and advertising corporations;
globalized outsourced corporate shells notionally based in American but whose manufacturing (textiles, electronics, cars) is all carried out in Asian sweat shops;
mercenary, security and imprisonment corporations to keep control over the growing section of our own population who have been pronounced disposable by the corporate oligarchy;

- is not and never will be a goverment of the people.

We must begin by starving the corporations

Buy your clothes at thrift shops.

Buy your food at local markets and farms.

Withdraw your savings from corporate banks and put your money in a local bank or credit union.

Use cash in as many transactions as possible to prevent banks from taking their cut of every transaction.

Cut up your credit card and throw it away.

Fiscal insolvency of state and local governments is already here. Federal insolvncy is around the corner.

Our people will face austerity measures like the ones that brought down CIA sponsored governments all over Latin America.

The IMF disease originates here.

It’s going to be a rough ride but I personally look forward to confronting the CIA with gloves off.

As for gun control, forget it. There are too many guns out there already and too many well connected people making too much money from the gun industry.

There is a problem though. Consider who already has guns and who doesn’t.

The right wing nuts are armed to the teeth and they await the signal from Rush, Sarah and Glenn to unleash unspeakable violence upon the left. Think Chile in 1973, a veritable genocide of the left. Think of the tens of thousands of disappeared in   Argentina.

Those mass murders were planned and implemented under the direction of the CIA. Today, the CIA has been driven out of most of Latin America but they are still in power here in the United States.

What is the difference between you and a Chilean or Argentinian leftist? Do you believe that the CIA would hesitate to institute mass disappearances and murder in the USA? Think again. We are just one fiscal crisis away from experiencing the true face of the CIA in our own country.

What is the left going to do about it?

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By garth, January 17, 2011 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

Something for the Healer.

Have the Surgeon General prescribe a national enema, a colonic cleansing.

Last night 60 Minutes, which I was loathe to watch, tried its hand at the pre-massacre time line of Jared.

They couldn’t have been more stupid if they tried.  They showed Loughner at Pima CC.  This time the voice over is non-huffing & puffing. 

The 60 Minutes voice over says that the reflection in the building’s glass door is Loughner’s. 

Funny, as the cammera moves straight towards the building, the image, or whatever it was, moves perpendicularly to the left.

I’s a strange, strange world they live in, Master Jack.


Then they said, “When the cab pulls up to the Safeway, Loughner did not want give the cabbie $20 for a $15 fare.”

That’s what cabbies do.  Make change for fares.

That’s why most places don’t allow cabs to pick up fares without being called through an exchange.  Cabs carry a lot of cash.  They’re ripe for robbery.

A friend of mine drove a cab for a while in Boston after he retired from his primary job.  After a year or so, he got a permit to carry a concealed weapon from the Chief of Police because he carried large amounts of cash.  To make change for fares.  You friggin’ dummies.

And besides what was Loughner going to do with the leftover $5?  Spend it at the mall?

He had a $20 on him when was arrested.  What happened to the $5?

One last thing, the ride from the vicinity of the Loughners to the Safeway is about 35 to 40 minutes.  That long a ride for a $20 fare? 

Those cabbies gotta organize.  Around here cabbies charge that for looking at ‘em cross-eyed.

Methinks, the MLK Day only symbolyzes what we’ve lost, the dream, the democracy, the whole shebang.

Only shameless government representatives can stand before a camera and talk this ragtime, crazy-talk without batting an eyelash.

The colonic cleansing should be followed with Drano and a flush.


NB

Last week, the Framingham police murdered a 68 year old man in his home and the story disappeared.  I have friends who knew the man.  They said he was a wonderful, kind and gentle man.

From now on, the knock on the door might not come before the bark of the Smith & Wesson. 

60 Minutes said the Secret Service, the SS handles potential threats to the President.  They visit them regularly to make sure they are staying on their meds. 

They said the SS is equipped to handle the maintenance and caring of these people moreso than a collge or University or City Hospital.  Yeah, with all those psychiatrists and psychologigist at universities and hospitals, they might screw things up.

This happened to the African-Americans in Michigan in the 40s and 50s.  The African Americans wanted civil rights, so the state judged them insane and put them away in mental prison.  After all, who but a nut who is also black would want civil rights?

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By Gabriel, January 17, 2011 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
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Re MarthaA

If you would only learn your own history it would be somewhat palatable. So here is the other half of it:

Hebrews came into Egypt as slaves from wars with Europe. They were given a chunk of land in the Nile delta due to their hard work, adaptability and quick learning. For being given this land they had to give 1/3 to Egypt. Eventually they had the best land in Egypt through various means.

Hebrews broke this deal by poisoning the produce given to Egypt. For this Egypt told them they must provide 2/3 of their product for 20 yrs. They failed at that so they poisoned the grain again. For this Egypt decided to kill every first born. So Hebrews ran for it.

As they did they stole the Ark from Heliopolis. It became their new God “Tetragrammaton” with which they parted the sea and did other things.

40 yrs of being shunned by everyone for their corrupt deeds they toiled in the desert. Finally they struck a deal with Canaanites for small parcel of land in Canaanite territory. This they tried to steal in the same way as they do today and Assyrians kicked out 10 northern Hebrew tribes and dispersed them to the winds. Only ones left in Palestine were House of David and House of Levi.

Even they tried to steal until Jesus came along and tried to kick out the corrupt merchants and money trades. They killed him for it using Pilot the Governor. It is still on their heads today as a “contract” they made. You can find this original contract in Vatican.

Israel = Isis, Ra, El, ... I’m sure you can look it up in any good historical library. In full combined name a totally fictitious entity. What it does stand for is the combination of knowledge of all 3 societies:
Isis = female priests
Ra = male preists
El = priests from Babylon = the most corrupt culture on planet Earth in all of history reflected today as Usury = banking, charging interest, theft of land by foreclosures. Hence the name Jew = abuser.
- Even the Vatican used to lop off a hand or head if they caught anyone doing it.

- Jews that moved to Northern part of Europe started the Illuminated ones = Illuminati.
- Jews that moved to south of France became Merovingian kings and later Templars.
- Vatican is based on Pauline doctrine = a cross between Roman and Jewish code.

After the Templar’s demise the remaining 28,000 joined with Scotts to defeat the English. Installed their own German / Jewish monarchy and began colonizing the planet. This is all part of FACTUAL history found by anyone who looks deep enough into freely available records.

No wonder the Freemasons who started America were so afraid of corrupt British and devised a system of checks and balances to forbid such usury in a new Republic.

Most Presidents are cousins of British Royalty as are many filthy rich business people.
- Federal Reserve answers to Bank of England
- 10 central banks in America answer to Federal Reserve ... who steals your hard earned money using IRS via taxes, illegal taxes.
- Bank of England is in cahoots with German banks and Vatican
- they all support illegal Israel for control of Middle East and Crude Oil ... the most deadly and plentiful poison on earth.
- this in turn causes a slow death to most of Earth’s Population and life on Earth itself.

You want to talk Facts then I’m game ... otherwise go learn your own history and quit trying to spread lies here.

Gabriel [Citizen Historian]

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By Inherit The Wind, January 17, 2011 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

Interesting, the claim that the shooter is Jewish. A quick Google shows that the ONLY place this is asserted is on:  White Supremacist sites (I stumbled on White Pride—pure redneck Nazi eugenics ).

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By truedigger3, January 17, 2011 at 5:28 am Link to this comment

MarthaA
You want to have your cake and you wnat to eat it too.
You claim that you are for the “common people”, but support and sympathise with one of the most fascist racist apartheid oppressive governments in the world and that is Israel.
As I remember correctly, you were one of the most vocal supporters of Obama during the election campaign and you vehemently attacked anyone, including me, who tried to point out that he is in bed with Wall St. bankers and they are financing his campaign.!
You are completely misinformed about Israel and the Middle East due to your religious mumbo Jumbo.
Take your religious drivel and take a hike and don’t come back to waste our time with your nonsense.

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By MarthaA, January 17, 2011 at 2:27 am Link to this comment

Conden, January 17 at 2:53 am,

Congresswoman Gabriel Giffords is Jewish and Jared Loughner are Jewish.  Since Jesus dwells in Zion, and I am a Christian, I look forward to Zion being my home someday, does that make me a Zionist?  I make my stand with Israel, not against Israel and I pray for peace in Jerusalem and I know sooner or later there will be peace.

But right now there is war and as long as there is war people get hurt and that includes children.  I’m sorry you think it is Israel’s policy to deliberately kill Palestinian children, unintended accidents happen in any kind of war and have nothing to do with policy, but there is undoubtedly propaganda to the contrary, which also goes with war.  One has to avoid believing their own propaganda.  Netanyahu wants peace.  Here is an excerpt from his speech to the UN:  http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/09/israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahus-un-speechbut-to-those-who-gave-this-holocaustdenier-a-hea.html

“All of Israel wants peace.  Any time an Arab leader genuinely wanted peace with us, we made peace.  We made peace with Egypt led by Anwar Sadat.  We made peace with Jordan led by King Hussein.

And if the Palestinians truly want peace, I and my government, and the people of Israel, will make peace.  But we want a genuine peace, a defensible peace, a permanent peace.

In 1947, this body voted to establish two states for two peoples – a Jewish state and an Arab state.  The Jews accepted that resolution.  The Arabs rejected it.  We ask the Palestinians to finally do what they have refused to do for 62 years:  Say yes to a Jewish state.

Just as we are asked to recognize a nation-state for the Palestinian people, the Palestinians must be asked to recognize the nation state of the Jewish people.  The Jewish people are not foreign conquerors in the Land of Israel.  This is the land of our forefathers.

Inscribed on the walls outside this building is the great Biblical vision of peace: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation.  They shall learn war no more.”  These words were spoken by the Jewish prophet Isaiah 2,800 years ago as he walked in my country, in my city - in the hills of Judea and in the streets of Jerusalem.  We are not strangers to this land.  It is our homeland.

As deeply connected as we are to this land, we recognize that the Palestinians also live there and want a home of their own.  We want to live side by side with them, two free peoples living in peace, prosperity and dignity.

But we must have security.  The Palestinians should have all the powers to govern themselves except those handful of powers that could endanger Israel.

That is why a Palestinian state must be effectively demilitarized.  We don’t want another Gaza, another Iranian backed terror base abutting Jerusalem and perched on the hills a few kilometers from Tel Aviv.

We want peace.

I believe such a peace can be achieved.  But only if we roll back the forces of terror, led by Iran, that seek to destroy peace, eliminate Israel and overthrow the world order.
 
In the spirit of the timeless words spoken to Joshua over 3,000 years ago, let us be strong and of good courage.  Let us confront this peril, secure our future and, God willing, forge an enduring peace for generations to come.”—Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s UN Speech 2009

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By Conden, January 17, 2011 at 12:40 am Link to this comment

Just this year, Gabriel Gifford, member of the blue dog coalition, voted NO on:

—Requiring Timetable for Withdrawal from Afghanistan
HR 4899
—Limiting Afghanistan Military Funding to Withdrawal and Other Specified Purposes
HR 4899
—Directing the President to Remove Armed Forces from Pakistan
H Con Res 301

She has a solid anti-immigrant, pro-war voting record.  Please don’t call her a leftist.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 16, 2011 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

Yeah Tao:

I see you really have that whole Zen peace, love, patience and understanding thing down really well!

(chortling on-line)

Now WHY is it again that I should pay attention to your musings on life, the universe and everything?

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By Conden, January 16, 2011 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, GG was not a leftist, and you mention repeatedly “jewish” without mentioning the fact that she was a zionist in support of the far-right israeli government that shoots little Palestinian children in the head on a regular basis; so, she supported violence herself.

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By MarthaA, January 16, 2011 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

garth, January 16 at 9:21 pm,

Ah, yes, balance the Right with the Right—Fair and Balanced—like Fox News Network.  I have noticed that myself on talk shows, seldom, if ever, is there a truly liberal view.

Since conservative is stasis, there can be no balance without liberal, but liberal is poo pooed by the Right in favor of all conservative stasis.

Making is liberal, and whatever is made is conservative.  There is no fiscal conservative, as opposed to political conservative, all conservative is stasis.  One must reject neo-liberal corruption, because neo-liberal is not liberal at all.

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By TAO Walker, January 16, 2011 at 6:16 pm Link to this comment

Alright, so “Inherit The Wind” (who knows absolutely nothing, by-the-way, about this Indian’s actual living circumstances, and even less about how completely irrelevant his own make-believe fantasy projection is to those actual circumstances) is extremely upset and feels personally violated by the Tucson (where some family members reside) shooting rampage.  This Old Man simply doesn’t share either those particular feelings or the largely “self”-referential beliefs informing them.

The general feeling here in Camp is one of unsurprised sadness at yet another localized bloody outbreak of the disease overwhelming all the captives in the virtual world-o’-hurt.  This certainly includes those caught in the allamerican feedlot operation of the “global” CONtraption, who are theirownselfs among the leading employers of armed violence in-pursuit of their ruling criminal CONspiracy’s “national security objectives.” 

“Inherit The Wind” seems almost rabidly determined to treat Tucson as some isolated and anomalous insult to his own (and like-minded peoples’) political principles and to their presumed-to-be more refined “individual” sensibilities.  He resists adamantly any suggestion that, as but the latest among a virtual ‘universe’ of such things happening ceaselessly somewhere-or-another on Earth, the outrage there occurs in a larger context that perhaps calls into question the entire ‘rule-of-law’ CONceit upon which he founds his vitriolic criticism of those here daring to look at the plain facts of that more usefully comprehensive ‘picture.’

It may be merely unfortunately ironic that “Inherit The Wind” hisownself here exhibits some of the mouth-frothing disdain for those not seeing things his way as is said to be evident in the Tucson shooter’s internet postings….chances-are, though, it’s something much more serious than that.

HokaHey!

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By Inherit The Wind, January 16, 2011 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

Some wonder, however, whether it is somehow a greater tragedy than many other occurrences of armed violence happening every day in “America,” and inflicted BY “America” on Persons and Peoples elsewhere.  If “Inherit The Wind” believes that it is somehow so much worse, as tragedies go, he is free to tell us what in his own opinion makes it so.
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I guess you STILL aren’t paying attention.  An attempted assassination is a violent attempt to impeach the will of the voters and the law. 

That means he attacked you and he attacked me, too. I have a Congressman I detest, a bobble-head Republican who came with promises of being a moderate in 1994 and has never deviated from what his party’s leadership wants since.  I’d LOVE to remove the guy from office, but only by LEGAL means, never by a bullet.

Assassination is to political selection what forced rape is to consensual sex—an abomination.

Now I know you think you can live off the land is some off-the-grid cabin, in peace and harmony with your neighbors and nature, and that the world will leave you alone.  And I wish you could, but that world is going come bite you on the butt sooner or later.

I’m not defending the illegal war in Iraq, or the totally fucked-up war in Afghanistan, or the way the Israeli right, under thrall to useless non-working ultra-orthodox, is fucking up chances for peace, even though it’s highly convenient to attack me for doing so.

What I am saying is that those who dismiss what happened in Tucson, those who question whether it is a tragedy, are fucked in the head and no different than the Ann Coulter-geists and Sarah Palins.  They worship in the same church, just in a different pew.

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By garth, January 16, 2011 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA,

Yes, I do have C-SPAN and I watch it a lot. Maybe too much.  Get my balanced information.  They have on a guest from Cato and then they balance that with one from American Enterprise Institute.  To counter those two they have on another guest from the Heritage Foundation.  It’s amazing how close the differences are in all these learned opinions?

I want to hear from a centrist, gun-toting Libertarian.

The hosts ask only softball questions and shut off any callers who have the nerve to take issue with what’s being said. The follow-up questions are asked only to grill a rare progressive.

I was relieved when I saw that your post was not an attack, what with all the talk about keeping an eye on people whose behaviour could be deemed ‘crazy’ by the soon-to-be government Thought Police.

I just read a piece by Charles Pierce in the Boston Sunday Globe about how Janet Napolitano of Homeland Security fame has a video message shown to Wal-Mart shoppers has they are trundling their Chinese made goods to the checkout.

Janet, if I may call her that, warns of suspicious behaviour. 

Come to think of it, a Colombiano with a young boy in tow who just moved into the neighborhood came by to invite me and my wife to a ‘meet & greet at his home. 

No one does that around here.  That’s downright suspicious. 

Maybe I could earn a few browny points by reporting him.  Maybe that’ll help me out of a jam if I ever become the focus the Homeland Security Eye.

I think the so-called right-wing and left-wing are about to coalesce and say to themselves in a huddle, “Hey, instead of going at each other tooth and nail, why don’t we just screw them (the Americans) and forget about it.”

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By RayLan, January 16, 2011 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

TAO
“Could be that the slickly media-orchestrated transmogrification of tragedy into spectacle”
Hey spectacle is what America is based on - it’s their surrogate for reality - the TV version. I also got an eerie feeling in the orgasm of self-approbation that this so-called memorial service was turned into. As in so many highly politicized group and community events in this culture - the final message is always - we’re good and wonderful people empowered under God- and nothing of course changes substantially.

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By facelesspatriot, January 16, 2011 at 3:43 pm Link to this comment
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I hear echoes of a dead child, shot down by a mad man.  I hear talk of the danger of weapons in the hands of Americans.  There is talk of bombastic rhetoric and the future of us.  But, I hear no talk of now.  How powerful this exact moment is.  How I have traveled my whole life to write these words at this very moment, and how you have worked, and foraged, and existed only to now read these very lines.  Truthdig might very well, again, decide that my words are not worth reading.  But this effort is not a waste of now.  Listen to me!  For the love of our posterity.  Benevolent, omnipotent god has abandoned us, and now we only have each other.  We must make a heaven on earth for our children.  We must stand against institutions that take great pains to kill the human spirit.  Take a deep breath…  Can you smell the storm on the horizon?  If you cannot then you have had your senses stripped by desire and powerful liars. The time is now to wipe the sleep from our eyes and to see with eyes unclouded. 
As of now more than 1,000,000 people have died in Iraq, because of our silence. These are sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers.  Their pain and suffering are very real, and very far away.  Out of sight.  Out of mind. Our leaders knew this slaughter would happen:  H.C. Sponeck, A different kind of War.  “Good government can be sold to a community just as any other commodity”:  Edward Bernays.  “Men never shape their conduct upon the teaching of pure reason”:  Gustav Le Bon.  “The chances an affirmation has of being accepted could therefore be most satisfactorily expressed in terms of the bulk of the heard by which it is backed”:  Wilfred Trotter.  “You can’t pull propaganda out of the air.  It has to have at least some element of credibility.  And then if people question the propaganda, they can be bitterly accused of denying what’s true”:  Noam Chomsky.  On 9/11 the laws of physics were paused to cause the FREE FALL destruction of a steel framed sky scrapper that was not hit by a plane.  This has not happened before, and it will never happen again.
You are what you eat, and our food, water, and air are being purposefully poisoned with toxins like aluminum, fluoride, uranium, barium, cotton seed oil, and bisphenal-a.  Where was your anger while the little girl who died on 1/8/11 was slowly being poisoned?  Do you support our troops?  Well did you know that our leaders in the military equip our guns and cannons with ammunition filled with depleted uranium?  Did you know that there are skyrocketing cancer and child birth defects in Fallujah?  Will our grunts on the ground in that city escape the citizen’s fate?  No.

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By TAO Walker, January 16, 2011 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

When it comes to “reading skills,” maybe “Inherit The Wind” should look first to his own.  What another poster here actually did was to ask whether the Tucson killing-spree is a “tragedy.”  Many here agree explicitly that it is, and have expressed sympathy for the victims.  Some wonder, however, whether it is somehow a greater tragedy than many other occurrences of armed violence happening every day in “America,” and inflicted BY “America” on Persons and Peoples elsewhere.  If “Inherit The Wind” believes that it is somehow so much worse, as tragedies go, he is free to tell us what in his own opinion makes it so.

Could be that the slickly media-orchestrated transmogrification of tragedy into spectacle, and the professional talking-heads turning that into another orgy of allamericanexceptionalism, has intentionally robbed theamericanpeople they pretend to pander-to of yet another chance to reflect usefully on fatal flaws in their own character….as a people.

HokaHey!

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By MarthaA, January 16, 2011 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

garth, January 16 at 7:02 pm,

You must have C-Span.  Apparently, some members of Congress are becoming fearful from their guilty consciouses.

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By garth, January 16, 2011 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

So far this week: 

The focus started on the shooting incident, and it quickly segued to inflammatory rhetoric.  From there it went right to gun control and then to bullet-proofing the floors of congress and arming the elected congress members.

Now, it’s coming up to Salem Witch re-Trials time.  They are advocating for lay people to assess other’s mental fitness.  If your neighbors gets churlish, they might be nuts.  If you suspect anything, they’ll have an 800 number for you to call, no doubt.

Well, for one, I am grateful they slid over the issue of arming Congress.  Can you imagine cross-eyed Virginia Fox, (R-VA) packing heat?

One question remains, though, when BB Obama, the WH Blues Man, pulls the rug out from everyone and calls for cuts in Social Security because the cut in the payroll tax he backed has rendered the program a drain on the General Fund, and we can no longer afford to pay these moochers, what will they need for protection?

A little more prime time tv healing, brethren and sistren?

The Healer in Chief? Yeah, right.

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By cabell, January 16, 2011 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment
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i think alot of the nation is brainwashed into believing we are fighting just wars. the united states knows how to kill all across the world and within its borders. we kill and do it better than anyone. small outburst like columbine and va. tech and now tucson. we train droves of people to be killers and our media expounds violence whether on talk shows or hallowed sit coms. children sit in front of square babysitters(tv) and we wonder where the violence comes from.

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By GoyToy, January 16, 2011 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

I don’t care about the fine speeches of Obama the Orator—I’m far more interested in his policies and actions.

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By MarthaA, January 16, 2011 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

thethirdman, January 15 at 6:48 pm,

The nine year old child was an unintended happening of chance, whereas the murder attempt on the Leftist Jewish Congresswoman was to bring down the Jewish Congresswoman that was being of liberal assistance to her constituency. 

I am concerned that this young man, who had only 2 years prior been normal was somehow brainwashed in some way to perpetrate this act, either because he had a deficient mind that did not show up until after his 20th birthday and fell pray to Right-Wing sophism and propaganda, or he had help in some way in the process, because normal people just do not change that abruptly and start killing liberal acting Jewish members of Congress, especially when they are Jewish themself.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 16, 2011 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Tao:

Better brush up on your reading skills.  Another poster on this thread explicitly SAID what happened in Tucson wasn’t a tragedy.

And you can use a refresher too, TD3.  I don’t deny (and explicitly state) that US bombs dropping on civilian is a tragedy. It is.

BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY TRAGEDY IN THE WORLD!

And the fact that there is virtually zero sympathy here for the victims in Tucson confirms my “scatological” assessment of the zero-sympathizers’ morality level.

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By drbhelthi, January 16, 2011 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

By Comrade Lafayette: “Once again we are deeply
indebted to you for our daily dose of conspiratorial
nonsense.”   
“we” ?  “our”?
 
I would like to be the first to notify you that blogs
by your “Lafayette” personality represent only
“Lafayette,” and no other blogger. 
 
Perhaps another of your personalities is more logical
and accurate - ?

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By madisolation, January 16, 2011 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

t norene wrote:
“Well you can certainly tell from the comments here that the haters still hate and the tragedy will not cure them of their disease…”
Yes, a lot of us still have some fight in us. You bet we hate: we hate the hypocrisy of Obama, with his political “crocodile tears speech,” talking about civility. A man who orders the killing of innocents should never be allowed to speak on the tragedy of death. He has no moral high ground.
If he’s going to appear anywhere in public, Obama should be made to have a Lockheed logo, a Goldman Sachs logo, a United Health Care logo, a BP logo, and a Chamber of Commerce logo sewn on the lapels his nice, tailored suit. The hypocrisy of Obama is stifling and nauseating to those of us who care about justice, not politically-spun platitudes.

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By truedigger3, January 16, 2011 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

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ITW wrote:
“At least it doesn’t to a bunch of cold-blooded shits—unless, of course, it was THEIR child!”
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ITW,

Really??!! No Kidding?! How about the wedding parties or funerals that were hit by drones or bombs due to poor intelligence or mistakes resulting in tens of deaths?? Are all those innocent victims “cold-blooded shits”??!!
And how about your beloved friends, the Israelis, who bombed and destroyed a whole apartment building to get one “terrorist”, resutling in tens of innocent victims or when they bombed Gaza to oblivion, couple of years ago, resulting in about 1500 deaths, most of them civilians non combatants, including hundreds of women and children??!! Are all those innocent victims “cold blooded shits”??
You talked about sickening and disgusting feelings you have, then look in the mirror, you might get much more of these feelings.

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By thethirdman, January 16, 2011 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

And please let’s not forget “puddles in heaven.”  You can’t even say that with a
straight face.

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By RayLan, January 16, 2011 at 4:13 am Link to this comment

The point that TAO Walker is making is an important one.
It’s not only the fact that the media has singled out the little girl as a tragedy , but that she is an American killed on American soil. If the child had been an illegal Latina killed in a border altercation, or a barrio gun fight, it would unlikely gain much national sympathy.

American tolerance for the death of children decreases along the axis of its imperialist aggression. Irag is an embarassing data point on this trajectory. What gets minimized in the self-serving terminology of the military complex as colateral dammage filters domestic sympathy.
There is a serious hypocrisy about the value of human life in the bellicose US - but then it’s special, it has an exceptional right to invade countries that do not ‘serve its national interests’. blah blah - boom boom.

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By facelesspatriot, January 16, 2011 at 12:22 am Link to this comment
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Red=Blue.  Fiscal Conservative=liberal democrat.  MSNBC=FOX.  We are being manipulated.  The government’s job is to obey the will of the people.  If it isn’t, then it has no right to function.  Antitrust laws were abolished under Regan.  Monopolies now control the global market.  Bankers control the CEOs and their only goal is to stream line profits.  Systemic Risks are ignored.  Moral hazards are ignored.  Making a long term investment in the future is ignored.  Think it’s foolish to claim that we are heading down the path of socialism?  We have already arrived.  But at a type of socialism that causes Marx and Lennon to spin in their graves.  The profits and benefits are not dispersed to the general public, but losses are. Banker bailouts=Socialism turned on its head.  The Nazis were socialists.  America=Fascist.
OOO how my body aces.  My bowels are constantly turning and when I can sleep I dream of a dark future.  What a torture it is to feel the decay of society in your soul.  Dear god we have come so far to lose it all now.  Our ancestors have fought so hard for us, and we sit back and watch it burn.  “A people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives.  A popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy or perhaps both”:  James Madison.  I know you’re busy in your little corner of the world.  I am truly honored if you have read all that I have written, but that is not enough.  People always tell me, “sure things are bad, but what can you do?  Calm down.  Relax.  Enjoy yourself.”  I can do very little, but trust me when I say that I risk my life by writing these words.  Trust me when I say it’s a pain I can hardly take to consume myself with such thoughts, and with a heavy heart I beg you to join me.  I will do my little part by bringing the truth to the now, and not letting great evil go unmentioned. Will you do the same?  No one likes to be a downer, but there is no time to dance around the subject.
You have got to get mad.  You have got to say, “We are human beings!!  We matter!!!  We are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore!”  Maybe if we all yell that into the street, just those few lines, future tragedies might be avoided.  Perhaps, perhaps…  I know that I wouldn’t feel as alone and hopeless.  Troubled waters are ahead.  Learn to swim now or sink with the rest.  This will be my last post on truthdig.  Thanks for your time.

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By facelesspatriot, January 16, 2011 at 12:21 am Link to this comment
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“Gather ‘round people wherever you roam and admit that the waters around you have grown.  And accept it that soon you’ll be drenched to the bone.  If your time to you is work saving then you better start swimming or you’ll sink like a stone for the times they are a-changing.”  I simply don’t know where to start…  My heart trumpets with passion, and my hands shake with ferocious anticipation as I sit in my little room in my little corner of the world and listen as the rain drips and the media pundits continue to spew nonsense as we spiral closer toward oblivion.  So much needs to be said, and I know my words will fall far to short.
I hear echoes of a dead child, shot down by a mad man.  I hear talk of the danger of weapons in the hands of Americans.  There is talk of bombastic rhetoric and the future of us.  But, I hear no talk of now.  How powerful this exact moment is.  How I have traveled my whole life to write these words at this very moment, and how you have worked, and foraged, and existed only to now read these very lines.  Truthdig might very well, again, decide that my words are not worth reading.  But this effort is not a waste of now.  Listen to me!  For the love of our posterity.  Benevolent, omnipotent god has abandoned us, and now we only have each other.  We must make a heaven on earth for our children.  We must stand against institutions that take great pains to kill the human spirit.  Take a deep breath…  Can you smell the storm on the horizon?  If you cannot then you have had your senses stripped by desire and powerful liars. The time is now to wipe the sleep from our eyes and to see with eyes unclouded. 
As of now more than 1,000,000 people have died in Iraq, because of our silence. These are sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers.  Their pain and suffering are very real, and very far away.  Out of sight.  Out of mind. Our leaders knew this slaughter would happen:  H.C. Sponeck, A different kind of War.  “Good government can be sold to a community just as any other commodity”:  Edward Bernays.  “Men never shape their conduct upon the teaching of pure reason”:  Gustav Le Bon.  “The chances an affirmation has of being accepted could therefore be most satisfactorily expressed in terms of the bulk of the heard by which it is backed”:  Wilfred Trotter.  “You can’t pull propaganda out of the air.  It has to have at least some element of credibility.  And then if people question the propaganda, they can be bitterly accused of denying what’s true”:  Noam Chomsky.  On 9/11 the laws of physics were paused to cause the FREE FALL destruction of a steel framed sky scrapper that was not hit by a plane.  This has not happened before, and it will never happen again.
You are what you eat, and our food, water, and air are being purposefully poisoned with toxins like aluminum, fluoride, uranium, barium, cotton seed oil, and bisphenal-a.  Where was your anger while the little girl who died on 1/8/11 was slowly being poisoned?  Do you support our troops?  Well did you know that our leaders in the military equip our guns and cannons with ammunition filled with depleted uranium?  Did you know that there are skyrocketing cancer and child birth defects in Fallujah?  Will our grunts on the ground in that city escape the citizen’s fate?  No.

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By TAO Walker, January 16, 2011 at 12:00 am Link to this comment

The scatological tirades of “Inherent The Wind” seem more-and-more forced with each new ‘edition.’  Looking back over this ‘thread,’ this Old Indian finds no participant claiming the murderous assault in Tucson is “not a tragedy.”  What many suggest, however, is that it is, as such things go, no greater tragedy than the same things happening in ones-and-twos several times every day all over “America,” and nowhere near as great a one as the state-sponsored homicidal terrorism inflicted daily on people elsewhere who’re virtually incapable of doing any real harm whatsoever to “America,” by U.S. military forces acting on-orders from the “self”-same “healer-in-chief” so fulsomely praised by the author of this article.

If these plain facts are offensive to the tender sensibilities of “Inherit The Wind” and others, maybe they should all just grow-up….‘cause “Son, this ain’t a dream no more.”

HokaHey!

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By Inherit The Wind, January 15, 2011 at 11:08 pm Link to this comment

I love how it’s not a tragedy unless it’s a US bomb dropped on somebody in Asia.

I’m not saying that’s not a tragedy, but the sickening judgment that deaths of Americans at the hands of terrorists just doesn’t matter. It don’t mean shit.  It’s only a tragedy when Americans (or Israelis) kill.

At least it doesn’t to a bunch of cold-blooded shits—unless, of course, it was THEIR child!

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By TAO Walker, January 15, 2011 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

“Inherit The Wind” seems loathe, as do many among theamericanpeople and the pundits and politicians paid so well to cater to their chronic “self”-absorption, to see or admit any link between the lethal armed violence being done to “nine-year-olds” elsewhere, by elements of the U.S. military, and this unwelcome eruption of that same allamerican drug-of-choice into the fantasy-world most of ‘em still want vainly to go on half-living in….even as it disintegrates catastrophically all around them.  How many other peoples’ political choices have been nullified by “assassination” both sanctioned and carried-out in the name of theamericanpeople by their ‘in-house’ and ‘out-sourced’ hired gunslingers?

This “self”-CONgratulatory orgy of entirely “self”-referential “self”-pity is so typical of allamerican knee-jerk reaction to cracks in its too-precious “self”-image, one must at-least wonder if they are not already LOST irrecoverably in the virulently seductive toils of theallamericanfeverdream.  Were this kind of relentless “self”-obsession to be exhibited by some hapless “individual,” most here would quickly recognize it for the severe psycho-emotional dysfunction that it is.  True believers in the allamericanmyth, though, remain childishly oblivious to their own common CONdition. 

Of course, if they had, as a people, the kind of organic maturity necessary to such critical reflection, these americans wouldn’t be in such terrible trouble today….and so much at-a-loss for anything genuinely effective to do about it.

HokaHey!

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By Conden, January 15, 2011 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment

“Question-
“When is a 9 year old child being murdered not a tragedy?”
Answer-
When she is murdered with a missile from 30,000 ft. “

Exactly!  The incident in Arizona is a tragedy because the mainstream media institutions decided it was one; because it appeals to easy sympathy and a (reactionary) political line that isn’t seen as controversial.  So this will be overblown as a “tragedy” just like 9/11 while people like Madeline Albright can sit back and say that they are glad they killed 1/2 million Iraqi children and their parents (through sanctions) just because they thought it might piss off Sadam.  Just like the floods in Pakistan weren’t seen as much of a tragedy by these people; after all, they wanted to murder as many of those peasants as possible, so the flood helped!  Meanwhile, there was a lot of money to be made by the likes of the Clintons in exploiting Haiti’s earthquake and then pocketing the aid money, so that was given lots of press.

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By BarbieQue, January 15, 2011 at 10:07 pm Link to this comment

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By thethirdman, January 15 at 6:48 pm

Question-
“When is a 9 year old child being murdered not a tragedy?”

Answer-
When she is murdered with a missile from 30,000 ft.

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BANG! That’s gotta leave a mark, even if not on the intended recipients. EXCELLENT Work.

It’s the Elephant and the Donkey in the room that everyone pretends to ignore. Or at least many of those paying attention.

Anyone know the number of innocents killed by the latest “mistaken” drone strike? Was it a Wedding or a Funeral? What was the total kill # for 2010? Inquiring minds… Maybe Eugenie is planning a column calling for better aim.

“healer in chief” might be funny if it wasn’t so sad

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By truedigger3, January 15, 2011 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

Re: By TAO Walker, January 16 at 12:20 am

TAO Walker,

Regarding your opinion of Lafayette, I agree with you 100%. I have been following his posts for quite a while, and he is nothing but a shill for the gloabalist Finance/Corporate class.

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By cabell, January 15, 2011 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment
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ah-ho

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By Inherit The Wind, January 15, 2011 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment

ANY tragedy or crime is trivial and unimportant if it’s not on your “critical path”, ie, the USA’s wars in Western and Central Asia.

The murder of 6 people including a child are NOT a tragedy because they are not in Iraq or Palestine or Afghanistan dying from American or Israeli munitions.

How sick is that thinking?

I am disgusted by such morally bankrupt individuals.

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By TAO Walker, January 15, 2011 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

“Lafayette” seems to suggest that holders of positions of instituted authority or possessors of “the money-power” never collude (i.e.; CONspire) to extend the CONtrolling and/or exploitative reach of either into the half-lives of the always much more numerous “individuals” who have, comparatively, neither.  That’s so obviously incorrect, on-the-record, however, that he must be pooh-poohing only those “CONs-piracy theories” (and their advocates) which (who) don’t CONfirm his own pet theories….and so impinge upon his preferred comfort-zone.

To declare unequivocally (as Lafayette effectively does with his CONdescending ridicule of others here) that oligarchic vested interests historically at-odds with the “huddled masses” from whom their wealth and privilege has been wrung won’t be as ruthless in their methods of preserving that status as they’ve been in achieving it….well, that’s incredible!

HokaHey!,

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By cabell, January 15, 2011 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment
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maybe if the real war in pakistan and afghanistan got the coverage to show how we are doing there. i am speaking specifially of the drone warfare that indiscriminately is killing hordes of young children and innocent citizens. where is the moral compass and who decides the riles of engagement for unmanned weapons sent recklessly into areas to kill innocent people. will we experience this same type of agression twenty years from now from others who have imitated our technology and lack of morals? where do we separate the carnage to say that is “them” not us?

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By rbrooks, January 15, 2011 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment
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Obama loves his role as the eloquent messenger of the beauty of compromise and civility. And hey - we gotta love it too. It’s Oscar-worthy. Watching Obama pimp the Big Con is like watching Bill Clinton at his best: the master charlatan on top of his game.

Obama’s real message is of course crystal clear: now, children, let’s not be mean and whiny and argue with the right, let’s smile and offer them whatever they can think of to want. And the nastier and more violent they are the more civil and fawning we’re gonna be. And thus - THUS! - we will make, presto, a country our children can be proud of.

And here I stand as proof that, like me, if you are nice enough to those in power, someday you might be VERY nice and rich and important, and have a swell corner office in a Wall Street think tank with all your savvy friends. I, of course, will make a post-presidential life’s work of going around the world making glib inspirational speeches about how we can, if we are nice enough to those in power, make a world our children can be proud of - ignoring, of course, that the real world, the one I helped so much to make, is tragically and significantly worse for the world’s children than the one I inherited.

Wow. Doing worse than the vicious schmucks you followed into the White House, Mr. President, was a tall order. To your discredit, given the unspeakable damage you appear determined to do to the people you so cynically use to decorate your profoundly dishonest rhetoric - you are clearly more than up to it.

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By Lafayette, January 15, 2011 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

DRBH: Conspiracy theory has been replaced by the real thing.


Once again we are deeply indebted to you for our daily dose of conspiratorial nonsense.

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By drbhelthi, January 15, 2011 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

Paranoia is a function essentially of ideation in the realm of ones fantasy.  The first “Operation Paper Clip,” 1945, GHWBushSr secretively coming to power in the CIA, between 1955-1960, the satanic cult involvement of Bush Jr. in Brownsville 1980s, the murder and skinning of his “hippie family members” while he “disappeared” for 3 days 1985, the 155 inmates he executed yet pardoned serial killer Henry Lee Lucas (fellow member in a Brownsville cult) while TX governor, the GHWBushSr family lies about Hussein & Iraq, 9-11, the Patriot Act and Homeland Security, the theft of the USPres election 2004, the testimonies of Chip Tatum, John Stockwell, Theodore Gunderson, and Sibel Edmonds; leave little room for fantasy involvement. 

Conspiracy theory has been replaced by the real thing.  Abundantly so.

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By RayLan, January 15, 2011 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

ITW
“No, nothing’s more important to these assholes than “The Agenda”.
But what is this glorious Agenda? They stand more
AGAINST than for anything. They are permantly pissed off.
They speak out of both sides of their mouths when it comes to government - it’s ok to wire-tap and monitor private ommunications of citizens, ban gay marriage, invade countries that don’t server our interest. It’s ok to bail out Wall Street- but anything that smacks of community welfare is evil.
Their callousness has no ideological basis - being ‘tough’ and aggressive is somehow good for its own sake.

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By thethirdman, January 15, 2011 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

Inherit the Wind:

Thanks for ignoring my other questions and going straight for the emotional
appeal.

Question-
“When is a 9 year old child being murdered not a tragedy?”

Answer-
When she is murdered with a missile from 30,000 ft.

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By Lafayette, January 15, 2011 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

FANNING THE FLAMES OF PARANOIA

Excerpted from a Salon article, here, written by a clinical psychiatrist who treats paranoia:

Two days before the shooting spree in Tucson, Brian Williams asked House Majority Leader John Boehner whether he would confront the claim that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen. In measured tones, Boehner gave a coy response: Hawaii’s word is good enough for him, but it is not for him to tell others what to think. Watching the clip when it first aired, I thought, that stance must be risky, using a wink and a nod to leave the door open to patent falsehoods. I meant risky politically, in every sense. After all, the birther claim is a true conspiracy theory, dependent on the premise that government institutions are abetting a complexly plotted fraud.

(Need more be said about Mr.Boehner ... ? How about “tippler” instead of “alcoholic” for Mr. Boehner?)

The article is an interesting read, but one must be patient because it speaks about a subject that is taboo in America. So taboo that, one learns, “paranoia” as a psychological ailment has morphed in common parlance into “delusional disorder”.

WHAT’S IN A WORD?

How nice ... as if new words make the illness go away. Conspiracy theory IS paranoiac—whatever more swallowable words you may wish to make of it.

And next we’ll have proposed that “excessive enthusiasm” takes the place of “maniac”. Well, of course. (Wouldn’t you rather be called “excessive” than a “fruitcake”, which is another synonym for maniac? ;^)

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By Inherit The Wind, January 15, 2011 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

A) Is this really a tragedy?
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If you have to ask then you are morally bankrupt.

It’s as simple as that.

I guess since it’s not a tragedy FOR YOU because nobody you loved died or was hurt.

When is a 9 year old child being murdered not a tragedy?

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By reynolds, January 15, 2011 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

go right young man, whacko suave, et al are the
electronic version of westboro baptist church and might
be westboro baptist church.  they hammer one ridiculous
argument ad absurdum and in least appropriate venue.
they’re not here to convert people to their way of not
thinking. they’re here to harass those with whom they
disagree. one need not buy the theory of the black
poster; you’re looking at what they are and what they
do: mindless spin, all day, every day.
don’t buy into it.

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By reynolds, January 15, 2011 at 12:53 pm Link to this comment

gfys thinks “endless nasty tirades” are a bad thing.
like the narcissist palin, gone terribly wrong old man
considers the furor in the aftermath (and only the
aftermath) of a typical american episode of gun play to
be an affront to his ideals. neither palin, nor gfys
have uttered a single relevant, respectful word about
the pattern of violence, the victims, the larger scheme
of things -or anything else.
the ploy is an endless barrage, like talk radio.
blah blah blah conservative blah blah blah liberal.
he’s probably armed to the teeth.

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By thethirdman, January 15, 2011 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment

Inherit the Wind:

I think you may want to step down off your horse.  What are you even saying
anyway?

“There was a laundry list of things a politician was supposed to do to be “good”
(as approved by all the left-wing journals of the day) and if any item on that list
couldn’t be checked of, the politician was written off.”

Does Obama get a free pass simply because he is not Bush?  Our quibbles are a
little more extensive than a few missing check marks.

“Now, in the wake of a tragedy, TD is filled with posters who don’t give a shit
about the tragedy, don’t give a shit that assassinating one of our elected
leaders (even though she survived) attacks us all, and our RIGHT to select our
leaders.”

A) Is this really a tragedy?  and B) When have we ever really had the RIGHT to
select our leaders?  Which politician is it that represents your community’s
interests so well?

And not really sure what you’re going for with “The People” comment.

Again, what is your concern here?  That we are not upset enough about this? 
That we are insensitive?  That we weren’t swayed by a few obligatory cliches
from a professional politician?  Maybe I’m just an asshole.

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By MarthaA, January 15, 2011 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, January 15 at 1:57 pm,

An aware American Common Populace united is a class and cultural entity, when united as the American Common Populace for noncontentious representation of their class and culture in the making and enforcing of legislated law and order equal with the Republican Right’s Corporate-Elite entity and the Democrats Left Corporate-Elite entity, as there are a total of 216 Million members of the American Common Populace’s class and cultural entity.

Only an unaware American Populace can be treated as a bowl of worms, because an aware American Populace will unite in the realization that their power is only in unity in the same manner as the American Aristocracy and the American Middle Class.  It can’t be wrong for the American Populace to unite, if it is right for the other two classes to unite, and they are united; it is the American Populace that must now unite for their own representation as the class and culture the American Common Populace is.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 15, 2011 at 8:57 am Link to this comment

There are so many selfish, uncaring assholes here it makes me want to puke!

It used to be an old joke to say “I love Mankind. It’s people I can’t stand” but it describes the cold-blooded, one-track minds here.  I grew up in an extreme Leftist household. 

There was a laundry list of things a politician was supposed to do to be “good” (as approved by all the left-wing journals of the day) and if any item on that list couldn’t be checked of, the politician was written off. I remember my parents’ friends describing Jimmy Carter as “impossible” because he didn’t follow their near-Socialist agenda.  I was proud that my father out-grew that blinders-on thinking (at least SOME good came out of Ronald Reagan—it shook many of the old Left into realizing things could get FAR worse than Nixon).

Now, in the wake of a tragedy, TD is filled with posters who don’t give a shit about the tragedy, don’t give a shit that assassinating one of our elected leaders (even though she survived) attacks us all, and our RIGHT to select our leaders.

No, nothing’s more important to these assholes than “The Agenda”. 

I’m not singling anyone out but I’m sure there will be a mob howling for my banishment.

There are a few to whom this doesn’t apply.  By far, the most eloquent is one of the two or three posters I admire most.  He’s usually funny, but not this time.

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Quit your whining bunky.

Interesting, all the accusations of grandstanding and politicizing by Obama seem to be a lot of whining, politicizing and grandstanding?

While the Republicans are circling their wagons and refused to show any degree of supporting the absence of gun metaphors, I am beginning to see many of the posters here as a major part of the problem and not much brighter then the Limbaugh’s of this world, though possibly a whole lot less economically stable.

It seems Obama should never show his face anywhere nor make any speeches about anything, because then it is considered political grandstanding, .... what does one expect from a politician?

Am I seeing the right posing as the left here, conservatives posing as liberals,.... it sure sounds like it? This incessant whining needs to stop and gather something very absent, something called thought! But maybe all this whining is a political ploy to make sure reason never surfaces.

Possibly this is all a conspiracy, this idea of a nation of healing instead of hurting! 
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“The People” is not an entity, despite that long being a mantra on “The Agenda”.  “The People” is made up of men and women, boys and girls, Fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, families, and little babies.  It’s what I see at the dinner table or in the line at SafeWay, or stuck in traffic.  It’s the guy mowing his lawn and the gang-bangers in “the ‘Hood”, the taxi driver and the Java programmer.  It’s the pre-school teachers and middle management. It’s everyone, with their lives, dreams, hopes and fears.  Not an entity no different than a “Corporation”.

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By wanked, January 15, 2011 at 8:23 am Link to this comment
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Obummer and his wife never come across as genuine to me. When looking at their faces during the speech I got the feeling that this tragic event was regarded only as an an opportunity to boost his poll numbers. If he truly felt compassion for those who lose their lives through violence, perhaps he would stop the senseless slaughter of innocents in the middle east by drones, white phosphorous and other implements of death. He makes me sick.

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By Conden, January 15, 2011 at 12:58 am Link to this comment

RayLan, yes, you are right; the minds/bodies of the “volunteers” are also colonized by the hateful propaganda of american exceptionalism and imperialism that giffords, obama, and palin share. They sometimes got this beaten into them by being on the receiving end of violence as children, which they then revenge upon the bodies of those in the middle east.

Skimohawk is quite right, however; it is the same. Also, the democrats destroy unions, minorities, and the like without the hate speech.  Apparently, that is enough for some people; they are fine with being trampled over, left homeless and starving on the streets while trillions are spent to murder equally poor civilians abroad so long as the person doing it gives nice speeches.  When I have the misfortune of listening/seeing people like hillary clinton, eric holder, or obama speak, I know that the hate and arrogance are there; what they say is disgusting, and they make me sick.  I don’t care about their squabble with the republicans.

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By furtivenudist, January 15, 2011 at 12:03 am Link to this comment
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Oh, please, the president makes a pretty speech (and uses a tragic event for his own political purposes)and Washington Post writers are fawning and drooling.

Eugene, you have a cushy job. Do you have any idea how people are suffering in this country?

Obama has done NOTHING to even address the real issues facing us - just another corporate fetch-it lad, who’ll come out of this very, very rich.

I am so tired of Obama’s pretty speeches - how do they create jobs and address the rising income inequality? Every campaign promise he broke (except for Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell) - just another slippery politician, out for himself and no one else.

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By MarthaA, January 14, 2011 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

skimohawk, January 15 at 12:22 am,

Not the same at all; our country has allowed to be employed Right-Wing Conservative Republican EXTREMIST propagandists, whose job is to keep our nation constantly in a state of hate against liberals, unions, community, race, etc.  The two main people involved in the January 8th assassination attempt are Jewish, so the controlling monied Hitleresque shadow powers brought down two Jews that they hate and sabotaged the assassination with the attack on the crowd; all the political Hitleresque hate propaganda and the use of the EXTREMELY inflammatory words “blood libel” make it clear.

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By The Gmat Coach, January 14, 2011 at 9:01 pm Link to this comment
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For all the partisan politics we have in the US, I think everyone can agree on the
fact that our President is a tremendous speaker.  Whether will a prompter or not,
he has a way with words few others do, which is very useful is rallying a divided
country in a time such as this.

The speech was moving for sure.

Lee - The GMAT Coach

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By TAO Walker, January 14, 2011 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

Eugene Robinson’s (often fawning) admiration for Barack Obama is a matter of record.  Is he seriously suggesting here, however, that being hypnotized by presidential oratory will somehow help theamericanpeople to face and respond sensibly to their worsening ‘situation’?

Granted, that would make things a whole lot easier for the ambitious installers of the “global” maximum security system….at-least here in the allamericancellblock part of the damned thing.

HokaHey!

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By chip, January 14, 2011 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment

The press knows they need to build up Obama now.

They need to insure Kucinich doesn’t run against him.
He might get some air time and “god forbid” a chance to debate this fraud.

To say that Paul Wellstone’s funeral was a campaign rally was total bullshit.
I watched all three hours of it and it was the way Paul would have chosen.

I tried listening to obama read this speech, it just made me sick.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Not that he fooled me the first time but hoped to be proven wrong.

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By kerryrose, January 14, 2011 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment

I think what makes the shooting in Tuscon different than the unending murder in this country (by the military, the police, and those in need) is that it was an assassination.

An assassination does raise it too a different symbolic level, and the beautiful people that were taken along with the Congresswoman makes it harder to bear.

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By skimohawk, January 14, 2011 at 7:22 pm Link to this comment

I agree.
Let’s put things into perspective:

A looney buys a gun, shoots up a parking lot and kills a bunch of people, and the overnight entire nation is whippped into a frenzy of debate.

In Seattle, a 50-year-old man, minding his own business while walking across the street, was ambushed and shot dead by Seattle Police Officer Ian Birk. Four bullets entered the man’s side and back.
Birk said the man had a knife, and that he “feared for his life”.
The knife, recovered at the scene immediately after the incident, was found to be in a closed position.

Had the man been instead a nine-year-old girl, or perhaps a Congresswomen, we might see the sort of outrage and mass hysteria this latest incident in Tuscon has brought about.
Unfortunately, John T. Williams was just a homeless Native American woodcarver, one of the many chronic inebriates who have been an integral ( and intrinsic ) part of the Seattle landscape as long as I can remember.

Where’s the collective outrage for John T. Williams?

Or is it that law enforcement officers murdering drunk Indians is acceptable?

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By RayLan, January 14, 2011 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment

@Conden
I agree with you - Obama is no less guilty than Bush as warmonging international criminal. We should leave the occupied countries immediately - we can ask the citizens if they want our help - that would be novel - but we aren’t going to do that - but the US confers imperialist rights on itself to determine the sovereignty of any state.
But remember this is a volunteer war - in order to occupy foreign states - the suggestible young minds at home first need to be occupied by lies and rhetoric of the myth of Manifest Destiny.

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By G.Anderson, January 14, 2011 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

It nice to see all those supportive people, but not Obama’s grandstanding.  Using this
tragedy for political mileage, is a W. move.

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By Conden, January 14, 2011 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

Obama is talented as a cynical corporate spokesman, but he is a war criminal in chief.  He openly participates in the global epidemic of violence against MEN, primarily young males age 14-25, who are the intended, accepted targets of the war on terror.  Child-beating feminists should not assume they can incorporate the much higher levels of violence that males are subjected to throughout their lives into the phrase “women and children” to cover up their own crimes and complicity.

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By thethirdman, January 14, 2011 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

I hear this a lot, but is this a domestic tragedy?  Six people were shot to death.  Six
people were shot to death yesterday in places like LA and DC.  I would love for
people to get 1/10th this upset about violence against women and children.  In my
ER yesterday a child died because his father beat him to death for crying.  You
know how many people’s lives are affected by rape and domestic violence
suffered on a daily basis, rape and violence that is completely preventable I might
add.  That is a domestic tragedy.  And this is not violence perpetuated by some
mad man.  Rather, it’s your fathers, uncles, friends, and pastors.  It sucks that this
happened, but let’s get some perspective.  And for people like Leefeller,  we pride
ourselves on being liberal not because we have instant emotional reactions to
random events, but because we think about our larger situation and use ration and
logic to make a better world for ourselves and our fellow humans.

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By kerryrose, January 14, 2011 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

I guess I’m a minority, but when I heard Obama speak at the Memorial I liked him again.  I teared up, and felt proud that he had the dignity to emotionally bind everyone that night.  Even Beck responded to the speech.

Yes, Obama is killing people and the US sucks in so many ways, but we just shared a domestic tragedy and it felt good to have a leader speak without hate and craziness.

We have let so many crazies into the dialogue, but I guess that is nothing new.

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By Leefeller, January 14, 2011 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

Quit your whining bunky.

Interesting, all the accusations of grandstanding and politicizing by Obama seem to be a lot of whining, politicizing and grandstanding?

While the Republicans are circling their wagons and refused to show any degree of supporting the absence of gun metaphors, I am beginning to see many of the posters here as a major part of the problem and not much brighter then the Limbaugh’s of this world, though possibly a whole lot less economically stable.

It seems Obama should never show his face anywhere nor make any speeches about anything, because then it is considered political grandstanding, .... what does one expect from a politician?

Am I seeing the right posing as the left here, conservatives posing as liberals,.... it sure sounds like it? This incessant whining needs to stop and gather something very absent, something called thought! But maybe all this whining is a political ploy to make sure reason never surfaces.

Possibly this is all a conspiracy, this idea of a nation of healing instead of hurting!

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By Peter Knopfler, January 14, 2011 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

The MASTER DRONE KILLER, Obama and his Drones killed
babies and children by Drone 93 kids 86 women Obama
the drone killer. Or how about, Every atom you breath
I breath too collective consciousness says that You
are the other Me And I am the other You! think about
this So when Senator Pete King asks for Julian
Assanges MURDER, Minister Huckbee calling for his
execution, man of the cloth, Yes Violence is AMERICA
22 year old soldiers killing overseas high on Hash
and Heroin, 22 year olds at HOME USA, killing and
shooting tapping into the collective consciousness,
Killing in the Movies, in the play station, killing
on TV, Killing Machines, Yes what you do to others,
what goes around comes around. Killing overseas does
not stop overseas, what you do in Vegas is on face
book no hiding the violent mind of America. It is the
same in Mexico, same Saturday,51 dead 15 cut off
heads not far from Tuscon south of the border closer
than Afghanistan, and Yet Mexico has the strictest
gun control and the highest murder rate in the world,
What and who are You America. You scream for murder,
Julian, 3 weeks later a dead baby nine years old, DO
NOT LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE, so Obamba will use this
to take your Guns, blame it on gun owners, Police
State like Mexico. Land of idiots, Romancing
violence, like a boxer in the ring who wishes not to
get hit but stays in the ring threatening, Song Time, 
When You live in a Glass house don´t throw stones,
and if you can´t take blows don´t throw those.  Peter
Tosh.

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By gstoddard, January 14, 2011 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

Who represents American values best, those present at the Tucson tragedy who in
the midst of chaos and death responded with courage, bravery, and self sacrificial
acts of heroism or the majority of commenters on this site who respond to reasoned
argument with anger and hateful language intended to wound and not heal?

Why is it necessary to respond to those present at the memorial, which was at once
an acknowledgement of the tragic human loss and a celebration of the strength of the
human spirit, by denigrating and demeaning them.

For those grieving the loss of loved ones or praying for the survival of the wounded
wasn’t this an outpouring of love and compassion? Looking at the faces of the
survivors during the event one could see the sadness, the tears and yes gratitude and
hope.

What was inappropriate about cheering the fact that Gabrielle Giffords open her eyes
for the first time? What was inappropriate about her husband allowing the president
to announce that and what was inappropriate in the crowd supporting and honoring
the both of them?

What was inappropriate in the crowd cheering and honoring the actions of 61-year
old unarmed Patricia Maisch who secured one of the 31 bullet magazines?

What was inappropriate about the crowd cheering and honoring the actions of Daniel
Hernandez who very likely saved Gabby’s life with his quick and focused action in the
midst of chaos?

What was inappropriate about cheering and honoring the life and idealism of young
Christina? What was wrong with her family hearing the outpouring of love and
support for their daughter whose life ended so prematurely?

What was so inappropriate about our President articulating so powerfully what many
of us were feeling and helping us sort out our own confused and perhaps troubled
emotions?

No, this was not an event to be ridiculed and denigrated and for those who are so
angry about this collective action of the wounded citizens of Tucson, perhaps silent
self reflection would be more beneficial for your souls.

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By gerard, January 14, 2011 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

mr.freeze:  You have it right at one level.  My question is, how to get below this very narrow,limited, and ultimately destructive greed motive?  It’s not the inevitable outcome of “busines” or “the market”. Part of it is changing the mindset at the financial top. That’s not impossible; we just don’t know how to do it yet, and don’t want to kill people in the process, so something new has to be invented/discovered.  The materials are out there—urgent need + inventive and creative abilities galore + increasing desire in the hearts and minds of milions, and growing + the natural instinct of the humana race to find ways to survive.  I don’t know what the answer is—nobody does, yet, but we are finding out what the answers are not.  It’s important to keep the moral-political climate from overheating also and the spiritual climate so polluted that potentials are asphixiated.

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By gerard, January 14, 2011 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

mr.freeze:  You have it right at one level.  My question is, how to get below this very narrow,limited, and ultimately destructive greed motive?  It’s not the inevitable outcome of “busines” or “the market”. Part of it is changing the mindset at the financial top. That’s not impossible; we just don’t know how to do it yet, and don’t want to kill people in the process, so something new has to be invented/discovered.  The materials are out there—urgent need + inventive and creative abilities galore + increasing desire in the hearts and minds of milions, and growing + the natural instinct of the humana race to find ways to survive.  I don’t know what the answer is—nobody does, yet, but we are finding out what the answers are not.  It’s important to keep the moral-political climate from overheating also and the spiritual climate so polluted that potentials are asphixiated.

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By skimohawk, January 14, 2011 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

re: t norene : “Well you can certainly tell from the comments here that the haters still hate and the tragedy will not cure them of their disease… “

Hate?
Is that how you define it?
Sure looks like disillusionment, disgust, and dismay to me…
But then, perhaps my perception is as skewed as yours.

On any “blog” site you’re always going to have a small percentage of “Birthers”, or “contrail” conspiracy theorists, or people who believe our problems are caused by aliens from another planet.
Outside of the hysteria, hyperbole, and horseshit, most of what’s been said below is true:

- Eugene Robinson writes a lot of words, but says little.
- Barack Obama is a charlatan who promised “change” but at every turn has maintained the status quo of Corporate ownership of America.
- Barack Obama and his speech writers used the event to serve their own political agenda.
- The majority of the American public does not know how to behave in public. ( Drive on any Interstate freeway to see this in action. )
- While well-intentioned right-thinking people are lulled into complacency doing group hugs and singing “Kumbaya”, the government is prosecuting a war against the civilians of other sovereign nations.

That you choose to slap a “hate” label on it doesn’t make it any less true.

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By drbhelthi, January 14, 2011 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment

Mr. H.B. Obama from Kenya must be very pleased to
have such a large following of American goonies.

“What you do speaks so loud, I cannot hear what you say,” is a phrase that seems to meaning only for the original indigenous folk, their oriental ancestors, and some Europeans.

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By t norene, January 14, 2011 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment
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Well you can certainly tell from the comments here that the haters still hate and the tragedy will not cure them of their disease…

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By thethirdman, January 14, 2011 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

Ok, a few things:

I can’t be the only on who thought the “memorial service” was little more than
an ASU football rally.  When is the last time you went to a memorial service and
people hooted, screamed, and cheered?  People don’t know how to act in public
anymore.  And don’t give me any of that “it was for the living” BS I am hearing
all over the place to explain away bad behavior.  It was just bad taste and our
culture really sucks.

And speaking of bad taste, “rain puddles in heaven?”  I almost gagged when I
heard that ridiculous line.  People are going on and on about what a great job
Obama did and how moving his words were.  RAIN PUDDLES IN HEAVEN? 

Finally,  I know it is completely expected, but it never ceases to shock me how
stupidly religious we still are.  Every politician stands up and invokes god,
thanks god, and even wants god to bless you.  They’re all just so disingenuous
and it leaves an icky feeling to be reminded that these are the men and women
who we, and by we I mean you, elected to represent us. 

And Jan Brewer is still just a joke all by herself.

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By mrfreeze, January 14, 2011 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

gerard - I believe you got this right on a lot of levels.

Here’s the problem: The moneyed interests (politicians, corporations, etc.) don’t car about massive changes or changing the political/social/cultural climate. They don’t care UNLESS there’s a profit to be made. Controversy and discord SELL. Discord sells. It’s big money. Solving problems to make life easier for the mass of Americans (except pushing phones and cheap Chinese goods on them) has no profit potential…..so nothing happens.

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By gerard, January 14, 2011 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

“Feel your pain” speeches don’t quite get it.  The problems we have require deep changes in mind-sets and ways of thinking and behaving.
  What is required:  Massive efforts at improving public information.  Massive efforts to improve social justice at all levels for everybody. Massive efforts to decrease the income gap by regulating corporate and banking profits.  Massive efforts to end wars, militarism and dependence upon violence as foreign policy. 
  If the government is halfway smart, it knows these things already.  How can we help politicians get started on voting in the people’s interest to bring about orderly changes to stop the erosion of national sanity and salvage the national soul?

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By Leefeller, January 14, 2011 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

The simple fact I am disappointed in some of Obamas actions or inactions as president, does not dissuade me from appreciating the Memorial for what it was, a Memorial for the living.

What seems to rankle most posters is, they seem disappointed Obama showed up and Sara Palin did not?

For some reason I feel, if Obama had been asked to attend and did not make it, we would be hearing the same insane comments maybe with a tad more bigotry and louder undertones of racism!

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By MarthaA, January 14, 2011 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

bfolch, January 14 at 4:11 pm,

Appearances are deceiving.  Sarah Palin is one of evil Rupert Murdoch’s paid propagandists of hate against nations, liberals, unions and community for Conservative Republican Right-Wing greed for never ending war and populace poverty.

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By garth, January 14, 2011 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

I think GAnderson says it best.

“Turning a memorial for victims of a psychotic’s rampage, into a pep rally was in poor taste.

It’s a preview of the 2012 election. As a lifelong Democrat, all I can say is that Obama is starting to make Sarah Palindrome look good. It’s just that bad.”

Ari Berman of Nation Magagizine has joined the Obama pep rally, “He’s back.  He’s back.”  The orator we’ve come to know after having fallen in love with.”

I cannot stand to watch Obama read some speech written by rank amateurs anymore.  The excerpts that are shown on later news broadcasts get across the message they want to pursue.

For Ari Berman, I’d say that Obama is one of the best Republicans that the Democrats ever elected.  First, by far, in recent memory is Ronald “McDonald” Reagan.

But he used blue collar fear of the welfare society (Read African American) to beguile the factory worker.

(One term for Reagan was enough for my father, a retired GE worker and union member.)

Health Care

The Obama suckees are hyping the fact that the Obamacare was, in fact, a policy put forth by Bob Dole, the gimp-handed creep from Kansas who made a fortune pushing the drug that gave the elderly a hard-on.  Doesn’t that tell you something?

That’s a reversal of fortune.  Here’s a skinny, nappy-haired fraud from who knows where and who cares at this point, saying that we should rally around the right-wing business plan and be united.

He’s a disgrace to his race.  MLK, Malcolm X, Jesse Jackson, Frederick Douglas all spoke their minds and argued clearly.  See Malcolm X debating at Oxford England.  England might be the testing ground for outrageous, right-wing corporate policies.

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And gimme a break.

Amy has returned to her Aimee identity.  Eric Fuller, a 63-year old Giffords campaign worker, is one of the wounded at the Giffords incident in Tucson. 

How do I know he was one of the wounded?  On NBC News that talked about him in voice over and showed ‘a knee’ with scars and stitches.

They then moved to Eric Fuller’s going to the home of Jared Loughlin’s parents and saying that, “He forgave.”  What a gesture!

Today on DemocracyNow! the selfsame Eric is featured and he contradicts the testimony of the woman who said she did nothing heroic she only grabbed the magazine from the ground after Loughlin was taken down.

Eric ‘The Man’ says he was wounded and while he was falling to the asphalt, he saw this woman run up and grab the mnagazine out of Jared’s hands.

Here’s what the bullshit is.  It’s a red herring.  Distract attention from what really happened and get the news junkies arguing about which inconsequential story is right and you’ve achieve the goal of our secret intelligence/Police service.

Who was that fuckin’ cab driver? Answer me that.


Back to the trough, Gee, Haw

And now Eugene Robinson has picked up the water bag and has decided to continue his march into oblivion.  Maybe Robinson is also a disgrace to his race.  But that ain’t doing us any good.

Just look at the discrepancies as the story unfolds, that is, the official FBI story.

They lost control of the story.

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By MarthaA, January 14, 2011 at 11:18 am Link to this comment

surfnow, January 14 at 2:21 pm,

President Obama helps his class and culture, maybe not YOUR class and culture, if you are one of the majority 219 million American Populace.

President Obama’s class and culture is the American Middle Class that excludes the American Populace as a class and culture.

The United States now has fighting going on between conservatives of the American Middle Class and conservatives of the American Aristocracy; both choose not to represent the American Populace, but to use the American Populace to fight and die for their wars that are of no interest to the American Populace, as no poll shows the populace is interested in continued war all over the world. 

Neither political party is concerned with what the American Populace want, so therefore the American Populace needs to withdraw and not be in conflict with the government, but to peacefully look out after their own interests and seek ways to install socialized capitalism for the majority, instead of private capitalism, and leave private capitalism strictly for the conservative Middle Class and the Aristocracy. 

The Bank of North Dakota is socialized capitalism that is being used today.

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By mitchum22, January 14, 2011 at 10:45 am Link to this comment
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This is the kind of imbecile who wins Pulitzers.

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By David, January 14, 2011 at 10:05 am Link to this comment
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Mass murder clearly brings out the best in Mr. Obama.  By that account, he should be the bestest president EVAH!!!

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By JJW, January 14, 2011 at 9:53 am Link to this comment
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Empty words.  Obama hired Summers, Geithner, retained Bernanke.  He had no intention of changing anything.

Now would be a good time to address mental health care and gun laws but, so far Obama is dropping the ball.

“War is Peace, Give War A Chance” - Barack Obama (Noble Peace Prize)

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By winsome1, January 14, 2011 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

Obama’s speech was dangerously inadequate.  I’ve been physically shaking since
Saturday, the day of the Tucson shootings.  The dystopian scenario is playing itself
out; accelerating.  Poor humans, poor dying earth.

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