Goofy GW People

Life flourishes when the climate is warmer, and suffers when it cools. Accordingly, I am perplexed Goofy GW people go all psychotic about warming.

In fact, the climate right now is cooler then during the Roman era. http://oasc12.247realmedia.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/martinimediainc.com/passback/L28/1007594317/Middle/Martini/H_HouseCampaign_Martini/300x250_v12.jpg/726f4e6c556b38412f39304142666c65?x

The climate warms and cools, but mostly it cools. Civilization as we know it is largely the result of post Ice Age Warming about 8,000 years ago that lasted until Old Kingdom Egypt and the pyramids 5,000 years ago.

The climate then began a cooling trend interrupted by slight warming during the Roman Era, followed by slight cooling that coincided with the Roman decline, followed by The Midieval Warming that coincided with Viking colonization of Greenland and the great Gothic Cathedrals, followed by cooling and plague that left about 1/2 of Europe dead, and finally warming since 1850 or so.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png

The climate has quite a ways to go to reach the climate optimum of 8,000 years ago. But Sunspot cycle 24 has the lowest numbers since the 1920’s, and then will decline after 2013.

http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/predict.shtml

Periods of low sunspots in the past have been associated with cooling. [The Maunder Minimum during the Little Ice Age in the late 1,600s]. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

So we must hope the Goofy GW People are correct, and we do not slip into a sudden cooling. After all, the world relies on Canadian Wheat.

Yes, yes lets pass more laws, build more prisons, and employ more skull crackers, in our quest for Global Thermometer Management.
And while we are at it. Lets not be around the Bush.  Just ban all of modern society, along with electricity, and it’s greatest achievement Heating and Air Conditioning. 
Ah the conundrum the LEFT wants to live in the gilded age!

@lulu

I’d like to assume that’s some kind of weak-assed effort at a troll.

Unfortunately, it probably isn’t, and is another in the myriad of reasons why, should humanity survive another couple of hundred years, the United States will be remembered as one of the worst social and economic experiments ever undertaken by Man.

And you know what Eugene,

It you people in the main stream media that give the right wing crack pots legitimacy and a megaphone to amplify their absurdities.

Why all the concern about the “existential threats” that Cain, Perry, et al. pose
while the State Department’s environmental assessment on the Tar Sands
pipeline is based on an employer of one of its subsidiaries?  The pipeline is an
imminent threat to the country’s water supplies and environment, the
processing and transport has the potential to dramatically increase and
accelerate carbon dioxide on the global level in the atmosphere.

Yes, why all the personalized or personality-oriented concern over Republican
candidates while the Gulf remains severely damaged according to locals and
scientists and BP has had the accountability of a wet noodle slap?  It’s hard to
detect from this article any genuine concern over our future and the succeeding
generations in the unfolding debacle of environmental damage that’s being
released . .and yes, just within the last three years.

sybarites fear losing their wealth; accrued by stealing ‘legally’. no one can
get 2,3,4,5,20 times richer than s’mone else unless such people rob others
of their rightful inheritance. [that’s why they have army, fbi, cia, police,
banks]

of course, they also fear losing the power [empowerment of america, huh?],
superiority over the undesirable rabble, right to kill ‘aliens’, etcetc.

but even if the earth is not warming, the sybarites have no legal-moral
right to use more of the resources which also belong not only to others
living now, but also to those that wld be here for possibly another million
yrs.
goddevil bless us all [no, dear benedict, moshe, abdullah, hagee, hussein,
u cannot separate god from the devil and vice-versa] tnx

Climate change denial goes hand in hand with the greed of the 1%. The Occupy Wall Street protests is about such greed and many more things wrong in society today. Poisoning people for profit is coming to an end one day soon.

“There are better solutions than simply waiting for the consequences of ACC to overwhelm the deniers fears of what must be done.”

- examinator

Bring it!  What are those solutions of which you speak?

“The question is are we the the ‘liberals’ prepared to do what is necessary….answer I doubt it because we are human too and pride will get in the way.  Humans always have the means of their salvation at hand but do we have the wisdom…”

- examinator

Well to start, this is a global problem and let’s hope that N.American ‘liberals’ aren’t going to be the only ones to determine action to address the situation.

I don’t know what pride has to do with it.  Proud of our self destructive tendencies?  Too proud of what we thought we were really doing all along (furthering Progress?) to admit that we may have missed an important turn a few exits back?

The means but not the wisdom?  Overlooking the extent of control mechanisms within society and the economy as a whole, the reality of empire vs. the myth of democracy etc.. I suppose it is possible to make a case for fundamental flaws of humanity, but I’m not buying it.  The lack of wisdom of a few perhaps, or simply the greed and evil of the same few, but to suggest a ‘natural outcome’ is to carry a bucket of sand upon one’s head (to spare the back pain of bending over all day) and avoid having to take a more demanding and active stance.

cpb,
There are better solutions than simply waiting for the consequences of ACC to overwhelm the deniers fears of what must be done.
The question is are we the the ‘liberals’ prepared to do what is necessary….answer I doubt it because we are human too and pride will get in the way.
Humans always have the means of their salvation at hand but do we have the wisdom…

ITW
You are correct that it won’t do anything to change their minds (read *emotions*).
What the so called “liberals” miss is that this is a proxy argument. Their real concern is their feeling of helplessness, lack of surety in life.
The same way some people *are contented* jumping out of a perfectly functioning aircraft depending on the (statistical assurances)parachute to prevent the eye watering sudden stop(splat) and others don’t.
No amount of stats and fact are going to change the acrophobic person’s fears to take the plunge (mmmmme tttto). Neither will they always be able to admit or even aware that it’s the fear of the uncontrollable and/or unknown that is the root cause of the emotional response ” I don’t want to go splat” “look at all the statistic”, I’ve read the news
Even though the last two excuses are simply irrational….
given the number of jump attempted as a ratio of those that er don’t go to plan is extremely small…One is far more likely to be hit by a vehicle.Yet most people aren’t frightened in using a vehicle or the roads.

My point is that the argument became an emotional one once the media got hold of it and dumbed down the facts to chicken little’s refrain “the sky is falling”. Then came the vested interest’s with the emotional hand holding i.e. “No it’s not bunkum unprovable” and or “only if they stop our industries (profits) you’ll crash life as we know it.” (emotional blackmail/ fear-mongering . But with a twist, emotional reassurance…thing will go along as normal.

And there is the Problem science is complex, opaque dispassionate and thoroughly unconvincing if you’re frightened/threatened by what their limited understanding is hearing.

This then is added to the ‘right’s’ fear of being irrelevant, spoken down to, insulted et al by the liberals.
What they need is comforting with a vision they can understand won’t threaten their need for things like the security in the belief of a god and the comfort that comes from the surety of reliable/unchanging dogma.

“This won’t stop the deniers.”

- ITW

You are correct there.  Nothing will stop the ‘true believers’.  Let’s just hope we can knock their numbers down a few points.  I am not optimistic, but I remain hopefull.  What other choice is there?

This won’t stop the deniers. Their irrational argument has always been:
“There’s no global warming. It’s a liberal scientist plot.  And even if there is global warming, it’s not man-made but natural.”

Their fundamental argument contradicts itself.  Why don’t they be honest and cite the James Watts justification: We don’t need to worry about global warming because the Apocalypse is just around the corner.

Well bloody hell.  However many years into the crisis, the fact of the crisis is still news.  Now next week let’s revisit the topic of “tipping point” and discuss the doctrines of ‘no action without absolute proof(according to who?)’, or ‘no action until the entire world agrees to the same’, or ‘no action cause it’s gonna wreck the economy’ vs. what is often called The Precautionary Principle.  Given the stakes involved, it’s not inappropriate to call it Common Sense.