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Posted on Feb 25, 2010

By David Sirota

Let’s pause and give thanks to Glenn Beck.

No, seriously—because that’s what he’s due.

We owe this talk-show-host-turned-political-leader gratitude for using his televised keynote address to the Conservative Political Action Conference to so frankly outline what the conservative movement has become—and why it repulses so many Americans.

Coming days after an anti-tax terrorist kamikaze attacked a government facility in Texas, and following Republicans like Sen. Scott Brown and Rep. Steve King expressing sympathy for that terrorist’s grievances, Beck’s homily stands as the moment’s most forthright manifesto on the right’s authoritarian objectives.

Beck began his speech posing as a libertarian against “big government.” Notice that most Republican icons are now doing this, though not all resemble Beck—not all of them previously pushed the big-government Patriot Act or the even-bigger-government bank bailout.

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From there, Beck worked up a drenching sweat, criticizing Theodore Roosevelt’s notion that we should make sure the accumulation of wealth is “honorably obtained” and “represents benefit to the community.”

His porcine complexion verging on crimson, Beck called that concept of “community” a “cancer” that “is not our founders’ idea of America”—somehow forgetting the notions of community and solidarity inherent in the founders’ “Join or Die” motto.

But ignorance, no matter how embarrassing, doesn’t get in Beck’s way. To wild applause, he labeled this alleged tumor of “community” the supposedly evil “progressivism”—and he told disciples to “eradicate it” from the nation.

The lesson was eminently clear, coming in no less than the keynote address to one of America’s most important political conventions. Beck taught us that a once-principled conservative movement of reasoned activists has turned into a mob—one that does not engage in civilized battles of ideas. Instead, these torch-carriers, gun-brandishers and tea partyers follow an anti-government terrorist attack by cheering a demagogue’s demand for the physical annihilation of those with whom he disagrees—namely anyone, but particularly progressives, who value “community.”

No doubt, some conservatives will parse, insisting Beck was only endorsing the “eradication” of progressivism but not of progressives. These same willful ignoramuses will also likely say that the Nazis’ beef was with Judaism but not Jews, and that white supremacists dislike African-American culture but have no problem with black people.

Other conservatives will surely depict Beck’s “eradication” line as just the jest of a self-described “rodeo clown”—merely the “fusion of entertainment and enlightenment,” as his radio motto intones. But if Beck is half as smart as he incessantly tells listeners he is, then he knows it’s no joke.

In a melting-pot nation of slave descendants and immigrant refugees haunted by ancestral memories of despotic violence, Beck is deliberately employing coded and menacing language, warning his opponents not to believe Sinclair Lewis’ refrain that such horror “can’t happen here.” Beck wants adversaries to know that it can and it will—to them, and at his movement’s hands.

Really, the threat isn’t even veiled. To understand it, just ponder comparisons. For instance, ask yourself: What is the difference between Beck’s decree and that of Rwanda’s genocidal leaders in the 1990s? The former broadcast a call to “eradicate” the “cancer”-like progressives; the latter a call to “exterminate the cockroaches.” Likewise, what separates Beck’s screed from a bin Laden fatwa? They may employ different ideologies and languages, but both endorse the wholesale elimination of large groups of Americans.

And so we finally see tyranny’s hideous image within our midst: It’s not a tightly cropped mustache in a beige uniform; it’s a clean-shaven baby face in a suit—a rodeo clown with a chalkboard who unfortunately speaks for modern-day conservatism.

We should thank him, at least, for admitting what his movement truly wants.

David Sirota is the author of the best-selling books “Hostile Takeover” and “The Uprising.” He hosts the morning show on AM760 in Colorado and blogs at OpenLeft.com. E-mail him at ds@davidsirota.com.

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By MarthaA, March 13, 2010 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

Glenn Beck is a conservatism terrorist who works for conservatism’s super-terrorist, Rupert Murdoch.  Stack only lost his mind and caused some terror.

When Hitleresque terrorist Glenn Beck gets paid it is either signed by Hitleresque super-terrorist Rupert Murdoch or one of Hitleresque super-terrorist Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. toadies because Glenn Beck, along with all FOX News Right-Wing propagandists spouting conservatism’s hyperbole, sophism and propaganda, are doing the bidding of Rupert Murdoch/News Corp, whose agenda is the use and manipulation of television, radio, internet and newspaper media to destroy liberals, progressives, unions, socialists, socialism and community; the same as Adolph Hitler did in Germany.

Rupert Murdoch’s conservatism media toadies have done a good job in the United States and have gotten an awful lot of the genteel populace that are on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Veterans, Red Necks and Christians without a pot to pee in, to think they are Republican Conservatives, who have capital to protect; which is what 40 years of conservatism’s full blown hyperbole, sophism and propaganda has accomplished.   

Glenn Beck has NO education.  He said he used the free socialist library and taught himself everything he knows.  Glenn Beck is only a toady doing the bidding of Rupert Murdoch, who did something similar in Australia, England and other places around the world, but was not allowed to remain a citizen of Australia when he came to the United States to continue his Hitleresque Plan, so Australia didn’t receive his full Hitleresque effect, but Murdoch is pulling his scheme off in the United States.  You’re sold on Rupert Murdoch’s scheme, aren’t you Night-Gaunt?

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By Night-Gaunt, March 10, 2010 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

Hermaphrodite I think you meant MarthaA but yes all humans should have equal standing and protection under the law. Their bank account or family name or political connexions should not matter. But they do here in the USA.

You were cocksure to call Beck a terrorist even though he condemned Stack from day one. This while you called Beck a terrorist but not Stack! A bizarre way of thinking in my eyes. To me Beck is far more subtle and careful after his early time on Fox when he first advocated violence to “protect democracy” before he got quiet about it. [He isn’t violent but he has good relations with those who would. Like the Christian fanatics who will kill to preserve life then deny they support those who do so, so is Beck doing the same thing. Plausible deniability.]

The problem is that Beck is on the side that has the plans, the position, the money, arms, training and the will to get what they want. We don’t. We have the numbers but not the training, arms, position, wealth etc. So in a chess match the outcome would have been predicted but this is more complex with many variables that even their planners couldn’t compensate for. But if we can actually win is another matter and when might not be in our life times.

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By garth, March 10, 2010 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

Martha,

Your post of March 9 at 6:45 pmshows that you are no less than a rabid, right-wing Republican.

You said, and I quote, “... and .....”

Now, this type of skullduggery and slippery assertions certainly leaves all you other posts in question.

I retract my previous retraction.  You are a right-wing Republiacos Trojan Horse.

So there.  I bet I love Amy more than you.  Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

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By MarthaA, March 9, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Enough discussion on why people are homosexuals, the fact is there are homosexuals and we must deal with it.  Homosexuals are NOT inhuman, therefore, as humans must have all rights of humanity based upon their actions within the laws of their environment,  just like all other members of humanity.

Rupert Murdoch’s Hitleresque Glenn Beck speaks for Conservatism.  Conservatism, like Hitler’s caucasian Aryans, tries to return humanity to the original.  Conservatism is not into protecting people who are mentally or physically cripples, homosexuals, morphoydites or any kind of deviant from the status quo set by conservatism. 

Conservatives represent the few, while Liberals and Progressives represent everyone, warts and all.  Discussing the warts of some of the populace doesn’t give anyone living wage employment, put a roof over anyone’s head, put gas in anyone’s car or food on anyone’s table. 

The problem in the United States today is that homes have been taken, employment has been taken, food is too costly, gasoline is too costly, people are suffering and democracy must be returned to the people, but democracy has been hijacked by Rupert Murdoch’s Glenn Beck’s conservatism crowd and now he expounds upon what conservatism has done, as if conservatism is not guilty and liberals and progressives are the guilty.  It was the actions of the Conservatism Movement that caused the downfall of the economy, liberals and progressives are just barely waking up to the Conservative WAR that has been being waged against them for the past 40 years and just now starting to try to fight back to some extent.  It was not the Liberals that caused all the problems with the economy as the Conservatives propagandize, but the populace had better get their act together and pull away from the conservatives while we still can, because conservatism is out to destroy everything except two classes——the haves and the have nots.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 9, 2010 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

Both of which are USA controlled entities.

Child rapists aren’t hetero or homo, this is different. They prey on the weak, the inferior to them. It is in their brains. The only way would be brain surgery to stop it.

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By ofersince72, March 8, 2010 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

What would it mean if the Federal Reserve were got
rid of like libertarians call for…..
I don’t know….

I don’t hold them in much regard though….
kinda like the ......
  I M F   OR THE   W O R L D   B A N K
that never saw a third world country that they didn’t
like to exploit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Inherit The Wind, March 8, 2010 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment

C96 repeats the old libel of Gays seducing youngsters into the Gay life.  Statistically, FAR more molestation is Hetero than Homo.  A child molester is FAR more likely to be Straight than Gay, though the latter do exist.  I don’t judge them as Straight or Gay but as MOLESTERS—criminals.

Girls experimenting kissing is NOT a “Lesbian” experience but usually both wanting to find out what it’s like to kiss a boy, and trusting each other enough to try it together.

I suggest it is far easier and far more dangerous to our society to teach our children to hate, to be intolerant and to assume anyone different than they are is “bad”.  And I think the history of our species demonstrates that unequivocally.

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By christian96, March 8, 2010 at 10:58 am Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ—-I spent many years administering IQ
tests.  There is controvery about the validity and
reliability of IQ test.  Do they measure what they
purport to measure and if so how well do they
measure it.  Until something better comes along IQ
tests are about the best we have.  I don’t know
your level of formal education but I can tell by
your comments that you have above average intelligence.  As far as twins being different I
believe part of the answer was provided by Alfred
Adler.  He was a contemporary of Freud but split
with Freud over the sex issues.  Adler was more
of a social psychologist.  He said we all have a
life style which is basically how we see the world
and our place in it.  Perceptions are the key. When
twins or even other siblings experience the same
event they will have different perceptions about it.
It is these differences in perceptions that account
for the cognitive and psychological differences
between twins and siblings raised in the same family
environment.

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By garth, March 8, 2010 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

Read, read, and read some more for understanding. If the phrases and the common English usage gets you, try a tutor.  Later, you can move on to context.

In the end, despite confusion, obfuscation, conflation, or misinterpretation, the Truth will win out.  It always does.

Try using Occam Razor with a little common sense as it applies to line-of-sight reporting.

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By MarthaA, March 8, 2010 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

If Amy Goodman said something, it would be the facts, as she stays with facts for democracy’s sake.  If you disagree with what she has stated, you should check it out for yourself, and I am certain she will gladly provide proof of her statements if required..

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By Night-Gaunt, March 8, 2010 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

Yes I am well familiar with the many permutations of the interpretations of John the Mad of Patmos’ prophecies of Doom before Glory, with loads of death and mayhem in between. All of what you speak can be done, or attempted, by humans alone. Marking people to restrict them is very old going back to John‘s time if not before. The scourge of the Roman Empire was the “Anti-Christ” in the form of Nero whose full name in Greek added up to 666 which is also the “number of Man” in the Quabbala. 777 is the “perfect number” of the deity. Whatever empire forms here it will be done by and for certain humans.

Glenn Beck is busy setting up the group psychology for it. It won’t be Christians who have anything to fear, unless you still believe in the “rapture” which will need to be adjusted. He is just not as blatant now as he was in the beginning. But the logical outcome will be ugly for those of us labeled as “Liberal/Progressive/Communist/Fascist etc..” for in every revolt at least one scape goat class is necessary to heap the hate on and justify the violations of the laws and Constitution to do it.

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By garth, March 8, 2010 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

Excuse me for interrupting this multi-logue about gay-dom and its issues, but I could not find Amy Goodman’s piece about Haiti, so I thought I could enter it here.  It bears repeating. 
(In this country where things are mingled, intermingled, roiled and distorted, I feel we are living in a dream state rather than a nation state.)
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I received this background information from a retired journalist who decided to retire in Idaho.  His words are best un-edited.
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“Much ado here about the Baptists.  Maybe you’ve heard about the little bunch of them who went to Haiti and tried to take orphans who mostly weren’t that out of the country.  The lady (used loosely here) running the show is known locally for breaking rules.  She lives in a $385,000 house she’s trying to pay for with an internet business, and court records look like she’s paying for that by not paying 14 employees that she owes about as much as her house is worth.  She won’t pay her car insurance and fails to register the Lexus convertible.  She’s gotten several tickets for that, which she hasn’t paid.  She has two children of her own, but nobody’s sure where they are staying while she’s gone.

Anyway, Haiti officials, concerned about children being taken across borders to be low-paid servants and sex slaves, arrested the bunch and hauled them inot court.  (My note:  Can you imagine black Haitians concerned about their children, a thought completely alien to the Confederacy reconstituted in the West?)

The local churches that raised the money for them to make the trip first defended them, but isn’t saying much of anything now.”

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That’s the type of bullshit these Glenn Beck’s et al are giving argument for.  The mindless ruthless, sel-seekers are given the blesssing of a flabby face on tv, as if they needed it in the first place.

I am for the French.  French toast, french fries, their food, their wines, their perfumes, their style: but, I think the best thing to come out of that country is the guillotine.
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But as Christians, Mormon, Baptist, Catholic (though that might be in question) you gotta luv ‘em.

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By MarthaA, March 8, 2010 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

Glenn Beck works for Rupert Murdoch for 25 million dollars a year to propagate conservatism, fear and anger for the benefit of the autocratic elite and corporate Right’s Republican Party, using the populace against their best interest.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 8, 2010 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

I’m not psychologist, just a dabbler, but my dabbling has raised some questions in my mind regarding commonly accepted beliefs, and flat assertions frequently accompanied by expressions of exasperation and incredulity.

While dabbling, I discovered a few realities that caused me to question the attitudes of the incredulous. The results of certain social science studies showed that identical twins, with identical DNA, separated at birth, did not exhibit identical behaviors. For example, when studying pairs of identical twins, separated at birth, social scientists discovered that one twin would exhibit certain behaviors, while the other twin did not exhibit these behaviors, one example being sexual behavior.

The results of these studies caused me to ask the question, what???????... more correctly Why? Behavioral scientists whose own particular bias lead them to ascribe to the theory that physiology dictated behavior, were forced to acknowledge this fact, so they put forth the theory that both “Nature” and “Nurture” accounted for behavior. If this “Nature” and “Nurture” theory has validity it raises other questions. For example, what is responsible for increased incidences of certain sexual behaviors? If the “Nature” and “Nurture” theory is correct, one would assume that increased incidences of certain sexual behaviors would be the result of “Nurture.” Of course there are other possibilities, which are accompanied by some evidence. For example, that stimuli from the environment have resulted in certain physiological mutations which could alter the physiology of “Nature,” and affect behavior. Not being a psychologist, and not having the time, expertise, or resources to elaborate on other possibilities, I’ll put them in a “black box” and not consider them, except to point out that these other possibilities do not negate the importance of “Nurture.” Therefore I’ll argue “Nurture” has an impact on behavior.

Nurturing would include teaching the norms of behavior, and nurturing comes from parental, as well as from societal influences. It is clear that learning the norms of behavior involve learning experiences, thus behavior is to some extent the result of learned experiences. Changes in accepted societal norms of behavior would not only affect those being nurtured, but also those who are doing the nurturing. In order to be topical, I’ll suggest that Glenn Beck is nurturing children, with the intent of changing societal norms, but that is not the primary intent of my comment.

I’ll argue that changing societal norms, create a change in societal values, and that these changed values affect all aspects of society, governed by moral and ethical societal considerations, and that changes in these aspects have consequences, both positive and negative.

Regarding moral values, negative consequences have lead to the concept of moral decadence. This concept has been recognized by philosophers, historians and others. Historians suggest that this concept of moral decadence has lead to conflict within societies, and even to the destruction of societies (The destruction of societies also has consequences.) Historians have associated certain societal behaviors with moral decadence: injustice, indifference to suffering, and militarism to name just a few. I’ll suggest that societies in conflict have given rise to factions that accuse each other of being responsible for negative consequences, but that in the final analysis, moral decadence is the real culprit.

The need for brevity, and the lack of any credible credentials, and expertise as they relate to me, will only allow me to suggest that contemplation of these issues may be of some value.

Have common sense methods of analyzing phenomena within our society been abandoned in favor of rationale based on bias? Has black become white, and white become black? If so, what are the consequences of this change in polarity?

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By christian96, March 7, 2010 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

NightGaunt—-I’m not familiar with the proposition
in California but I do agree that we are moving
more towards a global “big brother” type of existence.  Some think it will come out of the
United States but I see it coming more out of a
rising European Union.  The United States is fading
as an empire.  Out of this global power arises a
leader called “The Antichrist” who will force
people to take a mark before they can buy or sell.
Most contemporary Christian scholars think this
individual will pose as a Christian to persuade
the masses but I don’t see it that way because the
Bible says this individual will exalt himself above
all that is called “God.”  Sort of like the supreme
court does now.  “The Antichrist” may not even be
an individual but a system.  The leader of this
system will do wonders under the influence of Satan.
He will deceive most of people on planet earth
into believing he is a saviour with all the answers.
After a period of time his peace making veneer will
be exposed to reveal the satanic power guiding him.
This individual will make Adolf Hitler look like
Mickey Mouse.  We are quickly moving globally when
he and his system will be exposed.  Enjoy the
liberties we have.  They are not going to be around
for long.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 7, 2010 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

Your point of view, Christian96 is no different from those who promoted Proposition 8 in California. “Choose” is a relative term. I won’t go into detail because this forum is veering away from the subject at hand. However in a free society it wouldn’t matter if you chose to be Christian or bisexual or a Pagan or any number of things as long as it wouldn’t be used against you to live. Which it is continuing to happen right here actively promoted by many Bible believing Christians. (Who want a theocratic based society anyway.)

Just as how Glenn Beck (and backers) are defining who is a “real” American and unreal. Which leads to who will be labeled a terrorist and who would be a militant Christian freedom fighter in this context. If one isn’t “real” then can one be eliminated? The subtext is there inherent in such talk. A dangerous line taken by both sides in this. They call the questioner illegitimate along with the question.

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By ardee, March 7, 2010 at 4:51 am Link to this comment

That pleasure
could be part of a number of reasons they decide to
kiss girls after puberty. Perhaps, they choose to
kiss girls and boys and declare themselves “bi-sexual.” I don’t believe it is genetic.

As this poster is a self professed “christian psychologist” I cannot help but ponder at how many lives this obvious ignorance has made worse?

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By christian96, March 7, 2010 at 4:45 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind—-I meant to ask “what” not “why.”
That’s what I get for not proof-reading before
submitting comments.  Another possible explanation
can be related to the “pleasure” principal expounded
by Freud.  At times young girls before kissing boys
will experiment by kissing a girl friend.  There is
pleasure associated with kissing.  That pleasure
could be part of a number of reasons they decide to
kiss girls after puberty. Perhaps, they choose to
kiss girls and boys and declare themselves “bi-sexual.” I don’t believe it is genetic.

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By christian96, March 7, 2010 at 4:36 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind—-I am not aware that only Christians come out of the gay lifestyle.  I have
no problem with people choosing to be aethists.
They have to suffer the consequences not me.  I have
no problem with people choosing to be gay but what
I do have a problem with is them coming out of the
closet and possibly influencing teenagers going
through psycho/socio development during puberty.
Personally, I think choosing to be gay can be traced
to psychological and/or spiritual reasons.  The
spiritual reasons could explain your assertion that
many who come out are converted to Christianity.
Choosing to be gay is a cognitive decision.  A mental
choice.  My question is “why influences that mental
choice?”

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By Inherit The Wind, March 6, 2010 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

christian96, March 6 at 6:39 pm #

Inherit The Wind—-Please quote me the research
which proves homosexuality is related to genetics.
If it is related to genetics how do you explain
people leaving the lifestyle?

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What? You can’t “google” it yourself?

“Explain”? I’ve known many Gay people who married and had children prior to accepting they are Gay.  So why is it SO hard to accept that some will DENY their Gayness to be accepted and not be castigated by society?  And why is only very, very religious ever claim to have “left” the Gay world and “be cured”?  If a “cure” is possible why do only the Christian fundamentalists have it?

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By MarthaA, March 6, 2010 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

Conservatism’s Rupert Murdoch’s Propagandist Glenn Beck gleefully discriminates against politician Barney Frank for being different.  In a liberal world there are many people that are different and because one is different, one must not be made a laughing stock because of those differences.  This is an insulting video and shows the disgraceful, demeaning and undermining behavior of Rupert Murdoch’s shill, Glenn Beck. 

Demeaning and undermining people in the manner Glenn Beck does for his master Rupert Murdoch should not be allowed on television, but Rupert Murdoch pays Glenn Beck at least $23,000,000. per year to demean progressives, liberals and socialists any which way he chooses, which must be stopped.

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/03/31/beck_makes_gay_jokes_about_barney_frank.php

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By christian96, March 6, 2010 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind—-Please quote me the research
which proves homosexuality is related to genetics.
If it is related to genetics how do you explain
people leaving the lifestyle?

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By Night-Gaunt, March 6, 2010 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment

I don’t think any of my friends are Republican but lots of my family are!

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By Leefeller, March 6, 2010 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

Yeah! Some of my best friends are Gay!

Why do I feel like this has turned into some sort of bigots RUS meeting?

Talking about Gay or others like they are not here seems most obnoxious!

Lets change it to, some of my best friends are not Republicans?

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By Inherit The Wind, March 6, 2010 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, March 5 at 10:19 pm #

It is none of the straights business as long as there is no impingement upon the straights, but whenever there is an impingement upon the straights and the straights way of life, then homosexuality becomes the business of the straights.
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Shouldn’t this be true of pretty much ALL human endeavors, whether they involve sex or not?

I can’t think of any actions a Gay person could take that would impinge on others that straights couldn’t take as well. I’m guessing there are actions that “impinge” that really fall under the “None of your business” category (Like a Gay couple embracing and kissing in public—I’m not thrilled by seeing ANYONE lustfully “making out” publicly—is that THEIR problem—or mine?).

Leefeller makes me laugh as well!

Christian96: You begin with a premise that EVERY Gay/Lesbian person I’ve ever known would dispute—that something in their environment “made” them Gay.  Nowhere do you acknowledge what most Gay people know, and most researchers have come to realize: Being Gay is NOT a choice—it is as genetic as whether you are male or female.  If it is genetic, or at least innate at birth, treating homosexuality as a disease is like treating being male as a disease (though some women might see it that way!) and totally inappropriate.  It is a condition, but so is having blue eyes.

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By christian96, March 6, 2010 at 7:03 am Link to this comment

Garth—-Thanks for sharing your personal experiences.
Truthdig probably doesn’t appreciate those of us
who share personal experiences.  There should be a
site where we could.  I don’t know enough about
computers to start one.  I really enjoy the various
personalities on this site.  ITW suggested we might
feel better if we tell ourselves “It’s none of your
damn business.”  Then, Leefeller, in response to
ITW said, “It’s none of your damn business. There,
I guess I feel better.”  I laughed out loud when
I read Leefeller’s response.  Telling personal stories not only help us better understand one another but serve sort of a catharsis experience.
As a counselor/psychologist I am professionally interested in understanding cognitions and behaviors.
Living among Lesbians would give me the opportunity
to discuss pertinent information.  When did they
first get an interest in women?  Was it pre or post
puberty?  How many brothers and sister did they
have?  Where was their position in the family
constellation?  Oldest children tend to be the boss.
They want to tell their younger siblings what games
to play and who is going to play what roles in the
games.  Whereas youngest children tend to grow up
with people running their lives and doing things
for them.  Years ago, I read a research study by
a lady who found more divorces among oldest children
married to another oldest child.  They would fight
one another for dominance.  I would imagine the same
would be true among lesbians.  The idea situation
seems to be an oldest child married to a youngest
child since the oldest grew up making decisions while
the youngest grew up with other people making decisions for them.  Again, I would imagine the same
to be true among lesbians.  There are always exceptions.  Two oldest children can maintain a
relationship if they communicate well about their
feelings.  It also depends upon how well they are
willing to not be possessive.  Family dynamics is
not easy to understand.  For example, what happens
when an oldest child is raised by two parents who
themselves were oldest children?  We have come a
long way in understanding conditions conducive to
happy cohesive families.  It’s a shame we don’t
spend more time teaching child development and family
relations in our public school systems.

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By MarthaA, March 5, 2010 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

It is NOT President Obama that is the reincarnation of Hitler, it is Glenn Beck who is paid $25,000,000. a year to destroy progressives, liberals and socialists by Conservatism’s Rupert Murdoch and his News Corp.

Glenn Beck is ” tyranny’s hideous image within our midst: It’s not a tightly cropped mustache in a beige uniform; it’s a clean-shaven baby face in a suit—a rodeo clown with a chalkboard who unfortunately speaks for modern-day conservatism.” “The threat isn’t even veiled.”

“No doubt, some conservatives will parse, insisting Beck was only endorsing the “eradication” of progressivism but not of progressives. These same willful ignoramuses will also likely say that the Nazis’ beef was with Judaism but not Jews, and that white supremacists dislike African-American culture but have no problem with black people.”

“Other conservatives will surely depict Beck’s “eradication” line as just the jest of a self-described “rodeo clown”—merely the “fusion of entertainment and enlightenment,” as his radio motto intones. But if Beck is half as smart as he incessantly tells listeners he is, then he knows it’s no joke.”

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By garth, March 5, 2010 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Thanks, Christian96, for a very interesting story.  I find personal accounts to make a point very interesting.

When I was growing up, Joan and Martha lived together with two children, Al and Linda.  The children were Joan’s by a straight marriage. 

Al and Linda were part of a group of us that hung around together.  We never thought about their situation and no one ever talked about.  We all just knew, but we didn’t care.
On week-end nights in the Summer, we’d buy beer from “Sweet Evening Breeze”, an old, gay black man.  He’d let us drink the beer in his house.  We did wonder if he ever tried to put the make on one of the guys, but we were sure we’d never find out because no one would want to talk about it. 

On the other side, there was a gay bar.  And there was an old gay man whose name was known throughout the city, and if anyone called another kid that name it was like conjuring forces of evil.

Here, in the Land of the Free, everything is political.  And Evangelists and Catholic Authoritarians have made hay with the abortion issue.  A young man, Salvi, killed two young women working in an abortion clinic in Boston.  Dr. Tiller was shot and killed in Kansas last year.

The Churches added on Gay Marriage and they felt stronger with tandem issues.  But then, the the Army comes out and says “Don’t Ask and Don’t Tell” must go.  (The Army sorely needs recruits, smart ones, and Gays, by and large, statistics say, are smarter than average.

The political issue:  the Evangelists can’t let go of this issue.  They want to hide their hypocrisy a la that Colorado Preacher who was caught a year or two ago and has since gone through some kind of whacky treatment.  His wife now vouches for his “cure.”

The Catholic Arm of the Catholic Political Party, the 5 Catholic Supreme Justices, just reaffirmed the right to Gay marriage in D.C. 
I think they had to, politically.  They have a weak hand, and the military is the dominant one in this game, so they had to OK it.  Their Ace in the Hole, however, their redeemable coupon is that they can send implied messages to their Great Unwashed parishioners in places across the US like Dorchester, South Boston, and to the police such as the cop in Boston who was fired by Mayor Menino after he wrote a racist email after the Gates affair.

I hope Generallissimo Beck doesn’t run with this issue to rile up his audience of knuckle-draggers by forecasting the downfall of the Amercan “Culture.”  He’s after all, a Mormon, a male in a religion where males are dominant.  Also the Mormons have a history of mass violence when and if they become frightened. 

Gays have enough trouble as it is living in the Land of the Free.

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By MarthaA, March 5, 2010 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

It is none of the straights business as long as there is no impingement upon the straights, but whenever there is an impingement upon the straights and the straights way of life, then homosexuality becomes the business of the straights.

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By Leefeller, March 5, 2010 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

Well I tried it myself,  “ITW it is none of your damn business”.

Guess I feel better?

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By Inherit The Wind, March 5, 2010 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

C96:
TMI!

Why not just accept that two people can love each other?  95% of ANY successful relationship has to do with dealing with jobs, home, family, each other’s issues with things outside the relationship, walking the dog, paying bills, getting enough sleep, etc, etc. etc.  Yet we focus SO MUCH on the 1% that has to do with sex and whether the partners are the same sex or opposite sexes.

95%? There are 24 hours in a day. 5% of that is 1.2 hours or 72 minutes.  How many of us spend 72 minutes every single day having sex? Less usually (on average).  Yet that 5% is ALL that seems to matter to everyone ELSE.

Maybe the idea of two men or two women kissing will be less repugnant to you if you INSIST in your heart of hearts the real truth:  It’s none of your d*** business what two consenting adults do.  Whenever I feel myself starting to get judgmental of such a situation, I tell myself: “ITW, It’s none of your DAMN business!”

Try it: You’ll feel MUCH better!

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By MarthaA, March 5, 2010 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

There are many forms of lust, besides sexual lust,  Republican EXTREMISTS lust for power and wealth.  Christian96 is right, Satan’s mind control is behind the whole thing.  Jim Baker would be a great one to talk to about homosexual lust, and may be able to give some clue into the political lust for power.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 5, 2010 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

By Leefeller, March 5 at 2:18 pm #

“It seems ITW did not quite make Zionist assumption level today!”

Don’t be an ass. Assuming you can make assumptions about daily assumptions before the day is through is too assumptive.

If I can get this computer thingy working, I’ve got a mammoth post sure to raise the level of Zionist assumption.


By Night-Gaunt, March 5 at 1:47 pm #

“Ah sex is the devil’s lure and playground eh? But then the big three religions (Christianity, Islam & Judaism) in this are about control and that is through sexuality and its suppression and guidance. However this is way off topic.”

Topic Schmopic! Anyone who uses this truthdig cite regularly should know that topics are secondary.

The most astute post I have seen on truthdig was the following.

“Why do all these truthdig threads turn into a discussion of Italian Sports cars?”

Uh? … I think that is a close paraphrase. I’m not exactly sure, but I know it was really astute.

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By Leefeller, March 5, 2010 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

It seems ITW did not quite make Zionist assumption level today!

Christian 96 your personal proclivities are right up there on the list of innateness, with Brittny Spears and Paris Hilton.

If one is to promote fetish’s of choice, a preference may be women with whips much more preferable than watching Republicans sniveling while wearing diapers on TV.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 5, 2010 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

Ah sex is the devil’s lure and playground eh? But then the big three religions (Christianity, Islam & Judaism) in this are about control and that is through sexuality and its suppression and guidance. However this is way off topic.

Glenn Beck today is talking about the violence that is coming from the “Left” very soon if health care isn’t passed. He never mentions the power, control, influence and violence prone Christian right groups from our Special Forces to that Louisiana sheriff who is setting up an “Exodus” militia of veterans including a .50 cal machine gun! Now who again is the danger to our republic here?

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By christian96, March 5, 2010 at 7:33 am Link to this comment

I discovered a few days ago that DISH netword has
added a new chaneel, LOGO.  It appears to be aimed
primariy towards the homosexual community.  I just
finished watching a movie from India about two women
who lose their love for their husbands and find
love between themselves.  As a Christian psychologist I found it interesting from many perspectives.  I taped it so I can watch it again
without being caught up in the flow of a movie with
the tender sweet music playing in the background.
I’m not interested in men.  The thought of two men
kissing is very repugnant to me.  However, I am
attracted to lesbians.  I notice, at least in the
movies, they are very tender with one another.  A
lot of staring in each others eyes, tender touching
and rubbing of the entire bodies.  The Indian women
didn’t kiss on the mouth but the insinuation was there.  One of my fantasies as a young man was to
be with two women but that was never fulfilled.  While in graduate school I met a bi-sexual woman from Pittsburgh.  Her father was a physician.  She
was very bright.  I not only enjoyed our physical
relationship but our long talks together.  I once
thought of moving to San Francisco to see if I would be accepted in the lesbian community.  Probably not. I would enjoy observing their everyday lives which
is probably quite similiar to heterosexuals.  Now
that I have reached senior citizens status I might
be more accepted.  I would enjoy talking to them
about their childhoods and lives in general as they
went through the growth processes.  When did they
first realize they were interested in another woman? Do they tend to be older, middle, younger or only
children.  It would be an interesting study to write about along with enjoy whatever happened to develop
between us. Perhaps, they would see me as a father
figure.  However, there are those that hold to a
Freudian perspective that lesbians hate their fathers and wish to please another woman to unconsciously please their mothers whom they may have treated quite negatively during their formative
years.  But that is only a theory.  That’s why living among them and getting their perspective would be quite intriguing.  I’m sure their are lesbians here in Florida but finding them is rather
difficult.  I could go to the mall and hang out around stores where women would meet other women.
A few days ago a very attractive blond standing in
front of me began a conversation.  She let me know
she was going to the mall.  I got in my car and said
to myself, “Hey, you big dummy, you think that lady
was telling you to meet her at the mall?”  I drove
to the mall looking for her.  No success.  I got
back in my car.  Lo and behold, I saw her getting
into her car.  I drove over quite quickly but she
wouldn’t roll her window down.  She just laughed at
me and drove off.  I noticed she had just come out
of a ladies dress shop but wasn’t carrying any packages.  I wondered, “Was she going into the store
to see a woman who worked there?”  I could imagine
her going into the dressing room with another woman
and all kinds of behaviors transpiring.  I finally
drove off thinking, “The devils after your mind,
big time.”

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By Inherit The Wind, March 4, 2010 at 4:44 am Link to this comment

Thanks, N-G.

I, too, have apologized when I went too far.  When I know I’m flat out wrong I admit it.

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By MarthaA, March 3, 2010 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment

POLITICO Breaking News
<breakingnews@politico.com>    Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:43 PM

POLITICO Breaking News:
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“The Republican National Committee plans to raise money this election cycle through an aggressive campaign capitalizing on “fear” of President Barack Obama and a promise to “save the country from trending toward socialism.”  The strategy is detailed in a confidential party fundraising presentation obtained by POLITICO.”

Naturally the Republicans want the populace to be afraid of socialism because it is in the populace’s best interest, but corporations use socialism all the time.  Here is an interview with Chairman of the Congressional Oversight Panel, Elizabeth Warren, a Harvard University Professor, which should help with understanding of socialism.  Socialism is used all the time.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/546/

Socialism and Democracy are the same thing.

Socialism is the basis of community and is the foundation of cities, counties, states and nations in the United States.  It is just a matter of time until Capitalism as an economic system is used with socialism as a societal form of governance that will replace private capital with socialized capital and private capitalist with corporate institutions to manage socialized capital for the greater good, rather than for the greater greed and obscene benefit of a few private capitalists and the never ending reanimation of private capitalism with corporate welfare to serve the interests of private capital at the expense of the socialized communities of the cities, counties, states and the United States as a nation.


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By Night-Gaunt, March 3, 2010 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

I hope you will rethink your position JDmysticDJ in the matter of your comments about InheritTheWind? Civility is paramount in order to maintain some semblance of decency and tact. I have had my disagreements with him and others and when proven wrong I apologized. Only real people apologize, all others think themselves demigods. Everyone is wrong sometime in their life. Even Glenn Beck though he has made fun of it by “apologizing” for little things not his big gaffes and lies.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 3, 2010 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

You merely reinforce my distrust of extreme self-proclaimed Socialists as no different than their right-wing counterparts: Duplicitous hypocrites.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 3, 2010 at 9:01 pm Link to this comment

Jimmy:

You are wrong. You are a liar who is making up shit about me to satisfy some sick need in yourself.

Yes, I’m an old-time Democrat, son of Democrats who fought HARD for civil rights.  And proud of it!
Yes, I’m an old-time Democrat, son of Democrats who fought HARD against the illegal Viet Nam War. I was at my first anti-Viet Nam War demonstration in Washington at age 10 in 1965. And proud of it!
Yes, I supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries until she showed she was a shitty manager incapable of running her own campaign. Then I became a Barack Obama supporter.  And proud of it!
No, I’m not a Joe Lieberman supporter. I think he’s an opportunist, a liar, and a general putz.  I’ve had that view for a long time. And proud of it!
No, I am NO apologist for the Right-wing government of Israel, unless you consider ANY government Israel ever had as Right-wing.  I cannot and will not defend Netanyahu or his Likud pals and ANYONE WHO SAYS I EVER DID IS A DIRTY LIAR! But, unlike you I don’t wish for Israel’s destruction, but rather its survival.

So just keep making up bullshit lies about me.  You aren’t the first and probably won’t be the last.

Ardee will vouch for me, as an HONEST opponent, and so will others that these are my positions.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 3, 2010 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

Ardee

Regarding Inherit The Wind, you say he is just an…

“…old fashioned moderate living in the past history of the once proud Democratic “big tent” Party. There are worse things to be.”

Old fashioned moderates in the Democratic Party opposed civil rights legislation, supported: the Wars in Indochina, funding of right wing death squads in Central America, funding for the Contras, both Wars in Iraq, raiding social security funds, neo-liberal economic policies and on and on.

The “big tent” has included people like Joe Lieberman, who actively campaigned for John McCain, corporate shills who destroyed health care reform and other progressive initiatives.

I’ll agree that “There are worse things to be.” Like, for example, serial killers, Judases, agent provocateurs, to name just a few.

Your defense of him indicates that you have some familiarity with his political beliefs. I have made some assumptions about him in the past; let me make three more. Please correct me if I am wrong.

1. He thinks Bill Clinton is one of the best presidents we ever had.
2. He supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries, and he’s disappointed with Democrats for not making Hillary the Democratic Party Presidential Candidate.
3. He is in agreement with Joe Lieberman’s pro-Israel policies.

I’m not certain of these assumptions, I’m only curious.

Here is what I’m certain of:

From my own experience with him, I know him to be an apologist for right wing Israeli government, and mossad policies, and he is overly defensive when people justifiably criticize Israel.

He has said “The left are idiots…” He has accused the left of stupidity. Apparently he thinks the left is a 5th column that supports fascism. He has disparaged Sen. Kennedy. He is a supporter of Federal Reserve policies that contributed to the destruction of American manufacturing and jobs, and further enriched the wealthiest Americans. He is unable to distinguish between right and left. He has identified himself, “I’m a Democrat with Leftist non-Socialist leanings.” (Is he a contortionist? How does one be a leftist without socialist “leanings.”?) He should have said I’m a Democrat with non-socialist leanings i.e. de facto corporatist. He seems to be devoid of political acuity.

He is known on these threads as someone who: Uses convoluted logic, distortions, fabrications to support his biases, and completely ignores valid corrections of his distortions and fabrications.

He has related his experience with socialists in the left, claiming that they are intolerant of his anti-socialist beliefs. Finally, he has asserted something that has merit. I am a socialist in the left who has no tolerance for his anti-socialist, anti-leftist, anti-Democrat beliefs and criticisms.

He’s not an “…old fashioned moderate living in the past history of the once proud Democratic ‘big tent’ Party”. He’s an anti-socialist, anti-leftist, anti-Democrat, independent with rightist leanings.

I believe him to be a person who would find Glenn Beck’s assertions, challenging.

He’s an enemy of leftists. He is bound and determined to discredit the left. He is also an avid critic of Democrats, accusing them of having anti-progressive qualities similar to his own. He’s nuts.

Please correct me if I’m wrong.

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By MarthaA, March 3, 2010 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

Why the non-socialist leanings? Are you a conservative following Glenn Beck’ rantings against progressives, liberals and socialists?

Have you elected Rupert Murdoch, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and the rest of Rupert Murdoch’s flotilla of conservatism, sophism and propaganda against progressives, liberal, and socialists as your leaders?

FOX News, News Corps Rupert Murdoch, an evil media mogul, is the root of what is behind the Hitleresque Right-Wing conservatism, sophism, and propaganda for Right-Wing militia wars against progressives, liberals, and socialists.

It is the Right-Wing Conservative Corporate Media pushing Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST populist against progressive, liberal and socialist ways for the populace, while the corporate media moguls take full advantage of progressive, liberal and socialist ways for the corporations and the wealthy, it is just the populace that must be saved from progressive, liberal, and socialist ways.

Don’t be deceived.  The problem is the Nobles, the Conservative Corporate Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, and there isn’t enough corporate Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST CEO to fight a Right-Wing War against the populace without deceiving the populace into fighting for them against the populace’s best interest.

Populist fighting in Right-Wing private corporate wars against the populace has come from Right-Wing Conservatism’s sophism and propaganda fed to the populace 24/7 in all forms of Rupert Murdoch’s media that’s sole purpose is to deceived the populace into voting for conservatives and fighting for the conservatives against the populace, so that the populace can have outrageous usury fees and interest, can NOT have living wage jobs, can NOT have a home, can NOT have a car, or a college education, because college, an education for the populace is a drag that Conservatives do not see the need for the populace to have.  All of these needs for the populace are liberal, progressive, socialist concepts for the populace that conservatives are against, and always will be against; therefore the populace fighting in conservative Right-Wing Wars to support the Right-Wing against the populace is ludicrous.

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By MarthaA, March 3, 2010 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

Why the non-socialist leanings? Are you a conservative following Glenn Beck’ rantings against progressives, liberals and socialists?

Have you elected Rupert Murdoch, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and the rest of Rupert Murdoch’s flotilla of conservatism, sophism and propaganda against progressives, liberal, and socialists as your political leaders?

FOX News, News Corps Rupert Murdoch, an evil media mogul, is the root of what is behind the Hitleresque Right-Wing conservatism, sophism, and propaganda for Right-Wing militia wars against progressives, liberals, and socialists.

It is the Right-Wing Conservative Corporate Media pushing Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST populist against progressive, liberal and socialist ways for the populace, while the corporate media moguls take full advantage of progressive, liberal and socialist ways for the corporations and the wealthy, it is just the populace that must be saved from progressive, liberal, and socialist ways.

Don’t be deceived.  The problem is the Nobles, the Conservative Corporate Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, and there isn’t enough corporate Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST CEO to fight a Right-Wing War against the populace without deceiving the populace into fighting for them against the populace’s best interest.

Populist fighting in Right-Wing private corporate wars against the populace has come from Right-Wing Conservatism’s sophism and propaganda fed to the populace 24/7 in all forms of Rupert Murdoch’s media that’s sole purpose is to deceived the populace into voting for conservatives and fighting for the conservatives against the populace, so that the populace can have outrageous usury fees and interest, can NOT have living wage jobs, can NOT have a home, can NOT have a car, or a college education, because college, an education for the populace is a drag that Conservatives do not see the need for the populace to have.  All of these needs for the populace are liberal, progressive, socialist concepts for the populace that conservatives are against, and always will be against; therefore the populace fighting in conservative Right-Wing Wars to support the Right-Wing against the populace is ludicrous.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 2, 2010 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

JimmyD:
No, I am NOT a tea-bagger!  I’m a Democrat with Leftist non-Socialist leanings who is FURIOUS that the people I counted on have let me and my nation down!  I am FURIOUS with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and even Barack Obama for their ridiculous pandering to the Right even when it was obvious the GOP wasn’t going to give them ONE SINGLE INCH! Not when Bush was President and the GOP was in the majority, or after Nov 2006 when the Dims took back both houses, nor after Nov 2008 when the Dims had OVERWHELMING majorities.

Health care should have been FINISHED last summer, and with a public option. Nelson, Lieberman and Bayh shouldn’t have been allowed to stall the process. Reid and his fellow Dims DID NOT DO THE JOB WE ELECTED THEM TO DO!  My own two idiot senators, Lautenberg and Menendez played into it so stupidly we in NJ are NOW stuck with Chris Christie, a Bush wanna-be know-nothing!

Ardee is a friend and opponent on many issues, still living in the dream that Ralph Nader, a guy who can piss people off just by walking in the room before he even says anything, could actually get anything MORE done than Obama.  Ralph Nader who is BEST functioning like Frank Rich—sitting on the side lines skewering them that deserves skewering.

What I am, JimmyD is NOT a guy willing to take other people’s views as gospel. You can’t pigeon-hole me as being X because I take a stand on position Y.

I grew up in the Anti-War movement of the 60’s and I learned that there are as many hypocrites on the Left as on the Right. I learned that if you supported one Leftist position (like ending the Viet Nam war as unjust and racist), people couldn’t understand why you didn’t support others (like Socialism).  I gather they have the same problem on the Right, but…I don’t give a shit about that except for what edge can be gained from it.

So I look at EVERY issue and try not to knee-jerk but to analyze it instead.

And I appreciate Ardee’s confidence in my ability to defend myself—especially against him! smile

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JDmysticDJ, March 2 at 2:52 pm #

I’m really confused about Inherit The Wind. His posted opposition to fascism caused me to assume that he is from the left. Now I’m wondering if that assumption was incorrect. Could it be that his beliefs are similar to the idiotic beliefs of the Tea Partiers?

ITW need no defense from me, Gaea knows we disagree often enough. But what he is is an old fashioned moderate living in the past history of the once proud Democratic “big tent” Party. There are worse things to be.

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By psickmind fraud, March 2, 2010 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

Okay, I’ll pony up and send Beck and his minions the first three packages of Kool-Aid, who else wants to contribute? Of course, as I remember his days here in Louisville as a coked-out drunked up bad DJ, somebody’s gonna have to explain to him how to mix it with water and add the Poison du jour. And no one believes that any of his followers would be smart enough to explain it.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 2, 2010 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

I’m really confused about Inherit The Wind. His posted opposition to fascism caused me to assume that he is from the left. Now I’m wondering if that assumption was incorrect. Could it be that his beliefs are similar to the idiotic beliefs of the Tea Partiers?

If so, please excuse the stupidity on my part, and if that is the case, my comments to him would better be directed to others on this thread.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 2, 2010 at 9:55 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind

Your comment,

“JimmyD: It’s like the joke about the watch-dog—he watches the burglars empty the house.  What are we, Fabian Socialists “waiting” but not acting?”

is stupid. The right wings of the Democratic Party are not Fabian Socialists, they are not any kind of socialists at all, they are corporatists, and they are part of the right, not the left.

Having begun with a false premise, you continue your stupidity with,

“The fact is: The Left DID NOT ACT in the face of all these various fascist factions gaining momentum.  They COUNTED on apathy and they were right. They got Reagan and Scalia and 1994 Congressional takeover and then Bush 43 with Cheney, Roberts and Alito to create the most activist Court we’ve ever seen.  We sat back and watched while the factions of anti-science and phony history take over our school boards and town councils, and finally, the ENTIRE power structure of the Republican Party.  Only a few GOP governors are left with ANY common sense—and THEY are denounced and threatened with mayhem.  New Senator Scott Brown voted for what was best for Massachusetts and got death threats for it.”

Did you by any chance notice who were the opposition to Reagan, Scalia, Cheney, Roberts, Alito, and who it was, and is, that opposes the anti-science and phony history? Your contention that the left sat back and watched, and did not act, continues the stupidity. What would you have the left do, come to sessions of congress with AK47s? Your contention that the left “COUNTED on apathy” is the stupidest comment of all, and it is as stupid as the contentions of the birthers.

And here’s more stupidity,

Yes, JimmyD, the Left are idiots who LET THIS HAPPEN!  And still are.  To ALLOW Lieberman and Nelson and Bayh to TOTALLY undermine the President’s efforts to reform health care, shilling for the GOP is intolerable incompetence.
The Left isn’t just a few fringers, rallying around Ralph Nader and a disgraced Cynthia McKinney.  It is still the heart of the Democratic Party.  It is STILL what the late Sen. Kennedy believed.
We didn’t “win” in 2006 or in 2008.  We just held back the deluge.

The Democratic Party has been incompetent; you’ll get no argument from me regarding that comment. The left is not the heart of the Democratic Party, the heart of the current Democratic Party is to the right of the left. You have a serious problem with discernment. You are unable to distinguish between the left and the Democratic Party. The left consists of a too small faction within the Democratic Party, and a smaller faction of counter productive de facto rightists like you. When the far right comes to power again, I’ll have one question for you. Why did you LET THIS HAPPEN? Your comment about Kennedy puzzles me; I mean it really puzzles me. Is it a composition error on your part? If not, it’s an echoing of an idiotic right wing redneck’s infantile, arrogant, and stupid attempt to discredit the left by saying, “Oh you’re a Kennedy Democrat (heh, heh.)”

Did you hear the story about the little boy who pulled his finger out of the dike? He let the deluge happen.

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By christian96, March 2, 2010 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

Garth—-I appreciate your support and agree wholeheartedly the program would be attacked by
the status quo seekers but they are in the miniority.
The target audience would be the average American
who happens to be the vast majority.  Since I wrote
that piece I have been giving thoght how I might
bring the idea to fruition.  I was in plays when
in college over 40 years ago.  I could handle the
host part.  As far as technicalities I don’t live
far from Miami.  There should be plenty of resources
in that area to assist in the design and implementation of the show.  Finding sponsors would
be difficult.  Perhaps I could secure government
funds to run a 13 week trial on PBS.  I’ll have to
give more thought to the idea.

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By garth, March 2, 2010 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

On my way to Finacial Meltdown 101, I noticed Christian96’s suggestion.  Here it is.

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Do you think I could get a TV program opposite
Glen Beck’s timeslot titled “Average America Speaks
Out?”  I could interview people sruggling with their
mortages, raising a family of 3 on minimum wages,
without health coverage, children failing in school,
ex-GI’s who hate war, and even throw in a preacher
struggling with telling the truth.
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Although I might agree with your theology, I do agree and compliment everything that you’ve posted.

I think your show would be pummeled by the status quo seekers, but I would watch it.

I knew an ex-nun and ex-priest in Detroit who left the church, married and had a child.  They remained in their vocations of helping the poor, the convicts and the downtrodden.  They worked tirelessly and with a sense of joy.

Here’s to you, Christian96.  Your persistence despite criticism awkens me.

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By Leefeller, March 2, 2010 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

Humility may be a virtue and probably is, so when wisdom of such a magnitude comes across from one who dost not know the word or character itself, delivers freely opinion as fact even gospel, humility obviously is not in the room and again cast aside and trampled in the name of ego.

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By christian96, March 2, 2010 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

Do you think I could get a TV program opposite
Glen Beck’s timeslot titled “Average America Speaks
Out?”  I could interview people sruggling with their
mortages, raising a family of 3 on minimum wages,
without health coverage, children failing in school,
ex-GI’s who hate war, and even throw in a preacher
struggling with telling the truth.  Having studied
the Bible 32 years I’m afraid I’d embarras him/her.  I could put out some bucks and make a
demonstration show.  Then show it to the big shots
in the media.  I’ll bet I could get a large audience.
I might have trouble getting sponsors.  Maybe Murdoch would be at the age where he wants to clean
his soul.  Maybe I should e-mail Glenn Beck and
ask how he got started.

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By MarthaA, March 1, 2010 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

Glenn Beck is a terrorist.

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Self righteous indignation’s produced with such profoundness do show a point but not the point they were hoping to show, one must bow down in front of such cryptic enlightenment so masterful yet tastelessly displayed, simple but complete superiority showing from ones shirt sleeves, one must bow until it hurts.  As one being full of oneself seemingly so special dost not grace these halls often enough! Blinding ever so bright, from removing my hat my baldness be damned.

Cartoon comment made wile looking through the window glass at a jack ass or an elephant outstanding in it’s field, for my sight is quite poor.

As the saying goes; “it all comes out in the end”!

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I repeat, Leefeller, you’re a silly man.  MarhtA, you just don’t get it and you probably never will.
But I say God Bless you.  Learn to read and how to hold your tongue when you’re not really sure what it is you want say.  Especially Leefeller.

And don’t let them edit your text as you type.  It’s annoying and probably illegal.  I am here.  My typing is here.  They are there. Editing from there means they are entering my domicile. 
Clear enough.

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Self righteous indignation’s produced with such profoundness do show a point but not the point they were hoping to show, one must bow down in front of such cryptic enlightenment so masterful yet tastelessly displayed, simple but complete superiority showing from ones shirt sleeves, one must bow until it hurts.  As one being full of oneself seemingly so special dost not grace these halls often enough! Blinding ever so bright, from removing my hat my baldness be damned.

Cartoon comment made wile looking through the window glass at a jack ass or an elephant outstanding in it’s field, for my sight is quite poor.

As the saying goes; “it all comes out in the end”!

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By MarthaA, March 1, 2010 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

Here is FREE SPEECH that people need to practice quite often and in the same manner:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/812.html

But, this type of speech by Glenn Beck is terrorism and breeds potential violence, like yelling FIRE, when there isn’t any fire, in a crowded theater, which is more than likely why the Austin man killed himself, after he listened to a few bouts of Glenn Beck; and our government is just going along with it, as if military style sophism and propaganda is free speech :

http://www.alternet.org/story/145816/glenn_beck,_radical_hit_man_
for_the_tea_partiers,_is_breeding_potential_violence__

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By garth, March 1, 2010 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

I think it’s odd yet predictable that you should reply in such short order with:

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What exactly is your point Garth? Are you saying this is just stuffy library talk and you can get better air in the “real” world? You certainly used many words to say relatively nothing here just now. So if you are bored nothing is keeping your here. Or you can actually contribute. Please do.

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The theme is Beck’s rant.

You seem to be hell bent of derailing whatever is being driven at with your minutatie of facts.  If you stop and look around and say what is going ong, rather that saying this is what’s going on
and then stop and looking around you might actually learn something very profound.

Till then, I guess you are shackled to Truthdig.

Sans thought, sans emotions, just read wikipedia and type.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 1, 2010 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment

What exactly is your point Garth? Are you saying this is just stuffy library talk and you can get better air in the “real” world? You certainly used many words to say relatively nothing here just now. So if you are bored nothing is keeping your here. Or you can actually contribute. Please do.

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By garth, March 1, 2010 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment

I think that some of the contributors of truthig and their cartoonish admissions on other threads, and their caption-like respesonses, implying that they are intellectuals have cleared the air.
Don’t listen to these people. Just look out the window. 

Ask yourself, “Am I smarter than a disembodied script on Truthdig.” 
If you say , “No.”  Look out the window.  Talk to youtr neighbors.

It is painfully obvious.

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By MarthaA, February 28 at 7:25 pm #

“Government in and of itself isn’t the problem, it’s government used against the populace that is the problem.”

That is correct.

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By omop, March 1, 2010 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

An interesting observation was made by a psychologist friend as to the high
probability that the Glenn Becks, Rush Limbaughs, et, al exhibit thru their
rantings a condition quite similar to PTSD.

Whether they are or not needs to be validated by qualified examiners. In the
meantime they sure making the big bucks and laughing all the way to their
respective banks.

Is it not interesting that Pat Robertson did not claim that the earthquake in Chile
was not caused by their evil attachment to the devil.

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By garth, March 1, 2010 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

The question, as I see it, is what to do about Glenn Beck and his ilk?
The left, liberal/progressive idea seems to be to try to match his anger.  In other words, “We’ll show just how mad we are and we’ll all rise up, give a big harrumpf, and claim this country for what it was meant to be.” 

May I remind you that anger is self destructive.

With his access to the media and what seems like a willingness of the media to focus on characters like Beck just adds to the fire.
A lot of what he says is emotion-laden.  He cries (real or crocodile?), he pants, he writes on a chalk board, reminiscient of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen, who in his day incited many middle class Catholics to believe that Communinst Russia, that Godless nation, was the scourge of the Universe.
Let me ask you, How do you handle children who are going through this age of rage, this age of “terrible twos” that leaves most parents wondering, “Did this monster come from me?”
I think we should use our heads!  We should try to be creative.  Listen and respond but not in kind. Take what they say and turn it on them.  All of what they say is usually self-serving and, I might add, off-the-wall.  They have been market-trained by Frank Lundt.  The words they use come from focus groups, not from the head and not from the heart.  If you listen closely, what they are saying, or ranting, is imbecilic.

For example, their claim that selling health insurance across state lines would lower the cost would really de-stabilize the insurance markets.  Those who are healthy would buy the cheaper coverage even though it had higher risks, while those who are rely more on health care would be trapped in a dwindling pool of contributors.  And that is what INSURANCE is all about, sharing the risk, reversing this calamity.

Sure, Theodore Roosevelt went to war, but name me a President who hasn’t since the turn of the century.  I am sure Harding, Coolidge and Hoover might come come to mind, but they made war on the Office of the President and on the people of the U.S with their lackluster inhuman performance, criminal ignorance.

We are at the brink, and the Republicans, if they succeed will take us over the cliff. 

The Democrats, save a few, will also act according to their masters, the corporations and the international financiers, but we stand a chance by supporting those who are honest and discarding the creeps who just want to to do well.  Remember, they can keep whatever is in their campaign war chests should they choose to retire, like Evan Bayh, Dodd, Voinevitch, Bunning, etc.
We have to think of a new way.  One in which we do not go over the cliff with the nouveau-right and kill each other. 
We doi’t have to put up with this puerile acting out, from the Tea baggers, the libertarians, the Republicans, and anyone else that offers rage for reason.

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By ofersince72, March 1, 2010 at 1:16 am Link to this comment

Some one may correct me but isn’t
the FCC by a three board member that makes the
decisions?

weren’t two of them pro corporate takeover of the
public airways and one of them struggling to keep
the little that was left public?

did Oh?Bama replace to corporate two or keep them?

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By ocjim, February 28, 2010 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

Thought is optional for Republicans and conservatives? The conservatives tactics are so basic and so programmed that thought is not required for conservatives. If Democrats are in power you can be against everything. If Republicans are in power your policies are not complicated and needn’t change with current happenings: tax cuts for the rich, smaller government (only social pgms not military), free market system (which doesn’t exist anyway) and bellow about progressives. Actually your brain withers into nothing as time goes on because there is no need to use it.

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By MarthaA, February 28, 2010 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

Glen Beck and his Rupert Murdoch that finances him is the problem, along with all the rest of the sophists and propagandists that Rupert Murdoch hires.

There is a political Left in the United States, the same as there is a political Left in any country.  The political Left is the populace.

Anyone who says there isn’t a political Left in the United States is either ignorant, or a sophist propagandist trying to manipulate and deceive the populace into thinking they are conservative Right-Wingers.

There isn’t 50% of the populace that the Right has deceived, only 40%, but as long as that 40% is deceived it makes it difficult to balance the Ph of our country.

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By MarthaA, February 28, 2010 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

Government in and of itself isn’t the problem, it’s government used against the populace that is the problem.

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By Paolo, February 28, 2010 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

As a true libertarian, I am no supporter of Glenn Beck. His radio program occasionally has an interesting line of thought in it, but such lines are usually drowned out by puerile blather by Beck and his sidekicks. Their alleged “humor” is perhaps appropriate to Junior-High-School boys, but probably not. And Beck is a big supporter of our criminal war adventures in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

Having said that, Beck does occasionally stumble upon a good point. His criticisms of early-twentieth century progressives is often quite right; Theodore Roosevelt really WAS a warmongering tyrant bent on US domination of the globe. So was the pinch-faced school-marm warmonger, Woodrow Wilson. Yes, the early Fabians really were a weird bunch of collectivist freedom-haters masquerading as social reformers.

The problem with labelling “Progressives” as warmongering state-worshippers is that the term “Progressive,” like “Conservative” and “Liberal”, is poorly defined. Heck, these days, even “Libertarian” is becoming poorly defined, because people are starting to find it popular (John McCain, the warmongering centralizing would-be tyrant, calls himself a “Libertarian”—huh?). And the Libertarian Party itself was hijacked this last election by Bob Barr and a chap named Wayne Allan Root (whose name, appropriately, forms the anagram “WAR”).

If you called yourself a “Progressive” in 1776, you probably meant you were for independence and small, localized government.

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Night-Gaunt, February 28 at 2:40 pm #

I’m sorry Christian96 but my “ignorant” comment was base upon your writing. And that line would not of been out of place on any white supremacist web site. So maybe you should be the one thinking about why you worded it in that way. The accidental racist is still out there and I am afraid I might do it one day too.

Alternate wording,“I was tired waiting in that crowded welfare line for so many hours.”

Do you really think that would have elicited so much contraversy like the original post?

Now as for Glenn Beck he is always speaking about “taking back America” and creating a “new America” one closer to our founders. But then who would like to live in a place when only white, land owning, heterosexual, slave owning males had rights? I wouldn’t! Neither should anyone else here but some do.
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Or he could have put it “I was tired of waiting in the unemployment/welfare line with all unfortunate Blacks and Mexicans (note the upper case) who were stuck there as well.”  It still may have racist overtones, but at least it’s empathetic.

On to Beck: Just another chickenhawk like Cheney and all his buds.  So easy to wave the bloody flag when YOU ain’t gonna be facing the bullets, RPGs and IDEs.  War’s really easy to be “big” on, talking tough and swaggering when somebody else and somebody else’s kids have to back it up.

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By MarthaA, February 28, 2010 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

Yes, that’s right, conservative Glenn Beck’s faux liberal Tea/Coffee Party rantings supported by media mogul, Rupert Murdoch,  is to undermine liberals, progressives, socialists, and the populace on the Left in favor of the Right-Wing Republican elitists at the expense of the populace for a new One World Government supposedly without a left and a right, but there will always be a Left and a Right for balance; now our Ship of State is leaning way too far Right and needs a Left infusion.

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By Night-Gaunt, February 28, 2010 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

I’m sorry Christian96 but my “ignorant” comment was base upon your writing. And that line would not of been out of place on any white supremacist web site. So maybe you should be the one thinking about why you worded it in that way. The accidental racist is still out there and I am afraid I might do it one day too.

Alternate wording,“I was tired waiting in that crowded welfare line for so many hours.”

Do you really think that would have elicited so much contraversy like the original post?

Now as for Glenn Beck he is always speaking about “taking back America” and creating a “new America” one closer to our founders. But then who would like to live in a place when only white, land owning, heterosexual, slave owning males had rights? I wouldn’t! Neither should anyone else here but some do.

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By MarthaA, February 28, 2010 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

If the populace will wake up, they will not be doomed to a libertarian government, because they will realize they are NOT Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS, that they are only promoting and voting for Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS and stop being deceived into thinking that conservative is liberal; it isn’t and never has been.

The chicken can’t go to the fox to get a job.

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By Cherokee Fred Jesus, February 28, 2010 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

sounds like beck threw the gauntlet…he is declaring war on any progressive thinking…..now they have renewed the patriot (end freedom) act so they can track ever thing everyone does….and pinpoint and attack the main supporters of what we call common sense

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By Tennessee-Socialist, February 28, 2010 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

we are doomed with a libertarian-government and a libertarian population where the libertarian poor people get into the libertarian e-bay and the libertarian garage sales to get out of poverty

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By Tennessee-Socialist, February 28, 2010 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

I don’t blame the Tea Party, i blame the US government, and last time i checked The Tea Party is not governing USA. Our enemy is the 1% US oligarchy + The US government, both are guilty for the destruction of the living standards of americans

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By christian96, February 28, 2010 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind—-I have no ill will towards any
minority group.  I was tired of standing in line
to get welfare and food stamps.  If anyone has done
it they will know exactly what I meant.  I have no
children but if I did I am sure they would be inferior to other children in some way. They would
be inferior in sports to many professionals.  They
would be inferior intellectually to university
professors.  They would be inferior to doctors
about medicine.  And it goes on and on.  I thought
about adopting a slim 20 year old female. Ha.  I
don’t think they agency would allow it.  Neither
would I.  What teenagers need more than sex is to
be held, caressed, and told they are loved.  As a
child they receive those things in a functional
family.  However, as they grow older most parents
quit the behaviors.  It appears it serves the purpose
of pushing them out of the nest to find a peer to
fulfill those functions. Hopefully, that peer will
become a mate in marriage but today we have strayed
far from those ideas.

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By balkas, February 28, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

God Bless an Idyllic Society in which there wld not be private schooling.
The schoolrooms wld be rounded structures. Classes wld be held as much as possible outside.
There wld not be rating of meat. Nobody wld know who the ‘smartest’ [whatever, it may mean,beats me!] pupil was; it wld be a top secret; even his/her mom and dad wld not know.

Classes wld be small; let’s say, 15 pupils per class and wld have two teachers! No kid wld be left behind; all wld graduate- whatever that also may mean.

In running and walking kids wld be separated by their height or wld have to keep pace with shorter kids.
In such a schooling,99.999% of kids wld shun winter and summer olympimcs or any muscle shows.
Flag or prez` picture wldn`t be displayed in classroom.
Flag wld be OK if children wld be told that it stands as a symbol for mutual respect and all for one, one for all tenet.

So God Bless N.Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuella, China where such schooling and building an idyllic society is or appears to be in process.

Eat your hearts out! Obama, bush, gates, reid, hillary, murdoch, moloch, forbes, palin, reilly, beck, boehmer, et al. tnx

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By Leefeller, February 28, 2010 at 8:04 am Link to this comment

“The Founding Fathers meant to create a meritocracy and abhorred aristocracy. I should think they would resent the present day oligarchy”.

One would like to believe so. It is possible to believe under the concept of freedom of speech, even closed minded bigots like Beck and others would be allowed to stand on their soap boxes. 

What may not have been anticipated by the founding fathers, is a major sounding board as the Media instead of a soap box or newspaper. Media as the spokes person of values, used to manipulate and divide according to special interests. So we see constant divisive preaching used to manipulate and divide people against themselves and freedom. Seemingly opportunist agendas see more than the light of day. One only need follow the money, as lobbyists run through the halls of congress like rats at a New York Taco Bell.

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By Mike789, February 28, 2010 at 6:55 am Link to this comment

Big B writes: “But now that corporations are in control of our government, military, and media, the fascist american revolution will not be covered. Orwellian buzzards, like Beck….”

I concur with most of your post. I for one really do not want to wait for “push to get to shove”. A little tweeking of our notional value system would do nicely for me.

Personally, I do not mind people making tons of money that is earned advancing civilization. What I resent is that the (Protestant Work Ethic) wherein the maxim of advancing the condition of Mankind is not adhered to. Andrew Carnegie once said, “Wealth is responsibility”. With the exception of Bill Gates and a handful of others, I plainly do not see it. What I do see is the systematic transfer of wealth to the top through a rigged Wall Street with a concomittant stance that the status quo is just fine.

I put in my 20+ years of military service and I resent the greed. I resent Beck and his presumption of entitlement, esp. when a young man from the middle class is humping a piece in 120 degree temp. In this light I resent the divisiveness that Limbaugh, Beck and company promulgate to the marginally informed.

The Founding Fathers meant to create a meritocracy and abhorred aristocracy. I should think they would resent the present day oligarchy. The Left should counter the Right when the latter point to an originalist basis for legitimatizing greed.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 28, 2010 at 6:31 am Link to this comment

Damn! I screwed up the HTML italics close.  Sorry everyone.  TD mgt, could you put that close in? Thanks!

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By BrucePMajors, February 28, 2010 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

Isn’t this just one the Leftover memes of the year:

our critics are all fascists too so except our fascism
and do not criticize Odumbie as there is no
alternative.  There is only fascism, ours or yours.

No one is buying your cons anymore twits.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 28, 2010 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

I, eventaully, got tired of standing in the welfare line with blacks and mexicans.

Ardee—-I knew after I wrote the sentence there
would be ignorant people like yourself who would
misunderstand my comment.  I am not prejudiced.
I was stating a fact.  I did get tired of standing
in line with blacks and mexicans because that’s who
was in line.  If you had any intelligence at all
you would have understood that.  Did you graduate
from high school?

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Christian96.  Yes I can read and yes I DID read. And I STILL don’t know why you felt the need to state you were tired of standing in line with Blacks and Mexicans.  I was with you on that original post about Lynchburg until that jarring note leaped out at me.

Maybe you didn’t mean it that way, but it implies that you were humiliated by having to stand in line along with the Blacks and Hispanics who had to stand in that unemployment line as well.  That’s the way it parses.  If you didn’t mean it that way, then SAY SO! There are a lot of better ways of saying it.

And since my son, born in Guatemala, IS of virtually the same ethnic extraction as the Mexicans you saw in that line, I don’t tolerate ANYONE implying he is “inferior” and I make no apologies for being touchy that way.

So, if you don’t mean it the way it comes out, understand where I am coming from.  When we adopted him, a neighbor of my in-laws said “Make sure he goes to school.  We have enough gardeners.”  (My MIL, bless her heart, ripped him a new @-hole for that). I get accusations from self-righteous posters here (not you) who attack me and condemn me for adopting him—reaching with their attacks right into the heart of my family.

Unlike you, I don’t claim to have no prejudices. I certainly have them, but I strive to recognize them and neutralize them, condemning them as irrational and anathema to a rational mind, rather than attempting to justify or rationalize them.

“Christ”/“AntiChrist” means nothing to me. I’m Agnostic and don’t accept there in a divine Christ or that there is a demonic “AntiChrist”.  The “Beast” and “666” are from The Revelations of St. John the Divine, an angry, bitter, raving lunatic.

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By ofersince72, February 28, 2010 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

this protest didn’t make the news

two weeks ago in this town
a veteran,  on the VA med ctr grnds.
douced himself with gasoline
and torched himself
he was air lifted to ST. Louis burnctr

He was 52 yrs old.

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By photoshock, February 28, 2010 at 4:32 am Link to this comment

To quote David Sirota, Glenn Beck, ‘a political leader!’ Since when do comedians rate as political leaders?
I think that at best Glenn Beck is a comedian doing political comedy and at worst, he is the antithesis of everything that this country stands for, the tolerant and respectful listening to all points of view and the ideal of freedom.
Glenn, should return to the whole from whence he came, a drug induced haze of ranting and raving about the ‘progressive agenda!’
He is nothing more than a simpleton that has been given a forum that caters to people of like mind.
Name calling and ad-hominem attacks aside, if Glenn Beck has his way this country will again be a homogenized whole, where people of difference are thought of as outcasts and are shunted aside for the ‘superior white race.’

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By christian96, February 28, 2010 at 2:04 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind—-I find your comments hard to
believe after I had just explained to Ardee that
I got tired of standing in the welfare line. The
blacks and mexicans had nothing to do with it except
they were the ones predominantly in line.  There
may have been some Chinese, poor whites, etc. I
don’t recall.  I worked in the coal mines with
blacks, mexicans, spaniards, polish, italian, etc.,
most of whom I was close friends.  AS I STATED
BEFORE, I AM NOT PREJUDICED! Can’t you read?  Or
does your antichrist mind seek and search for some
reason to be cricitcal?  Does that elevate you in
your mind?  If so, then it is you who better do some
searching.  There are no perfect Christians on earth
since Jesus was crucified.  We all have faults but
we are forgiven.  Who forgives you? Night Gaunt made
ignorant comments similiar to yours so I’ll choose
to ignore them.

Ardee—-I want to apologize for my smart-ass question “Did you graduate from high school?”
I did a lot of fist-fighting while growing up.  In
fact I was one of the best in the county. I knocked
several guys out with one punch.  Now I sound like
I’m bragging.  I’m not.  As a Christian I deplore
having brought any physical harm on another human.
My point is I still have that nasty side to me.
When someone attacks me I attack back.  I don’t turn
the other cheek.  One of my few shortcomings is
switching strawberries in the grocery.  I’ll open
a package and remove the bad ones.  Then I’ll open
another package and remove the bad ones.  Then I’ll
put all the good ones in one package and the bad ones
in another package.  I like to eat strawberries with
non-fat yogurt for breakfast. A few weeks ago a guy
started giving me a hard time about it.  After I
told him to mind his own business, he put his hand
on my arm.  I spun around, pushed him in the chest
and said, “Don’t put your hands on me.”  He walked
away.  I felt bad about shoving him but it was a
part of my conditioning from growing up in a coal
mining town.  My reaction to your comments was
similiar.  I worked in the mines with plenty of people who didn’t graduate from high school yet were very bright. My own father is an example.  He didn’t finish 6th grade because of the depression.  Yet I
would watch him complete a crossword puzzle from the
newspaper every morning after breakfast.  He would
watch gameshows and provide many correct answers.
I wondered where he learned those skills.  I was a
School Psychologist at the time.  I brought an IQ
test home and administered it to him.  He had above
average intelligence.  He could have been a college
graduate if he had lived in the right environment.
Once again, forgive me for my nasty comments.  It’s
a part of my personality I haven’t overcome yet. I’m working on it.

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By ofersince72, February 28, 2010 at 2:00 am Link to this comment

They don’t make a sledgehammer that big

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By ofersince72, February 28, 2010 at 1:47 am Link to this comment

Tennesee…

I believe A. Cockburn would still offer much
better topic of dialogue..

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The antidote to the poison of right-wing demogogues is a populist movement whose rallying cry is the modern day equivalent of 18th century France’s “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity” or 20th century Russia’s “Peace, Bread, Land”.  Words that not only will encapsulate the essence of what the movement is all about, but offer a glimpse of the promised world just ahead.  The assumption here is that to retake the dawn we much switch from confrontation to inspiration, and what could be more inspiring than visions of a better future coming towards us?  What’s more from then on the venom of right-wing demogogues will be completely inert.

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By Night-Gaunt, February 27, 2010 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

What the Mossad does is not different from what the CIA or any other spy agency does right now. No difference, nothing special & no surprise.

Beck & company have been demonizing anything on the “left” (it is far wider than that) to the point that we are all traitors in waiting all anti American (as they see it in their narrow focus) and should be arrested and/or killed. That is after “enhanced interrogation” of course. It is brilliant as it is demented and evil. But with the kind of money and monopoly they have they can pull it off on more people all of the time. Just look at how they have swayed people on Global Climate Change?

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By Inherit The Wind, February 27, 2010 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

Blaming the left for Fascism is so deluded on its face that it simply beggars belief, or would, if I didn’t know that people who write these kinds of posts are Republicans who want to sow despair among the left. I also find the defeafening silence on Mossad’s use of identity theft to get into Dubai to kill a Palestinian leader extremely disturbing. Especially since a former Mossad agent has written a book claiming that Mossad has a passport factory which can make not only passports but any document of such quality that they are undetectable as fakes. It’s one of those stories that will just be denied oxygen until it dies, but it’s a really important story and should be widely covered and investigated. But where that story should be there’s just silence anda few crickets chirping. It says more about what’s wrong with all media than anything else could.

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So, pointing out the OBVIOUS, which is that the left has sat on its collective @$$ while the fascists got momentum is now a 5th column attack on the Left by the Right?

And, to top it off, it’s all the fault of the Jews, particularly Mossad, yet again.  WTF does Mossad have to do with Glenn Beck egging on a fascist, racist, white supremacist movement?

You, Diamond, have a very bizarre perception of reality. 

WATCH OUT! THERE’S A MOSSAD BUG UNDER YOUR BED!!!!!

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By balkas, February 27, 2010 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

Let’s build an idyllic society in which everyone wld be equally valued,respected; earning ab the same wages; wld be strongly interdependent.

All wld work. People doing perilous or unpleasant work cld work shorter hours. In such a society, people wld be calmer, friendlier, at greater ease; wld feel more secure, etc.

Let us not use the word “socialism”. I am puting the word under double quotes to indicate that it has specific meaning to most americans: s’mthing undesirable, vile, etc.

We had once an idyllic society; else if a clan of people had been structured as peopel now are, there wld have been bloodshed against any attempt to destroy it.
In those days people only had cudgels for weapons. Since everybody had them, the small number of usurpers wld have been quickly slaughtered.

In add’n i don’t see how small clans or groups of people wld have survived and given birth to present bastards unless they were very interdependent and equal.

Btw, had the ancienst known that such vicious societies wld emerge, they wld probably have done us a favor and committed mass suicide.

Today, of course, They have all the arms; we got baseball bats. And that’s the difference that makes the difference.
Welcome back to pahroahs’ days! tnx

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By Big B, February 27, 2010 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

I, like most liberals, are a passive bunch. We have always thought (not believed) that everyone should be free to do as they pleased so long as it did not infringe upon the freedoms of others. We only came out of the woodwork at times of crisis when we needed to remind americans of the responsibility of our creed. But this time I fear we have been silent for too long.

Since the last time we came to the rescue of america, to save us from the fascist Nixon, things have changed. Big money has bought and paid for our politics. All the while, convincing a good many americans that greed was good, that we could all finance future prosperity, and that a strong military means a strong nation. What incredible bullshit this has proven to be. But now that corporations are in control of our government, military, and media, the fascist american revolution will not be covered. Orwellian buzzards, like Beck, circle the carcass that is america, spouting their populist rhetoric and comparing all who disagree with Hitler or Stalin.

We liberals (not progressives, nothing pisses me off more than the wimps who let the Reaganites demonize them into abandoning the term “liberal”) have waited to long to come to the rescue of america this time. We all better get used to living in company towns, going to the company store, and watching Rollerball on tv. You all had better get used to hearing the voices of the Becks and Limbaughs, for corporate america is going to jam them down your throats 24/7.

War is Peace
Freedom is slavery

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By diamond, February 27, 2010 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

DJmysticJD you are a voice of reason in a tumult of meaningless babble. Yes, it will take a Herculean effort to circumvent the fascists who are already in place in the education system, the corporations, the media, the military, the Congress - everywhere, in fact. These people will block anything Obama tries to do to put their plans into reverse, never mind moving forward into the future and actually introducing socially progressive policies, and they are capable of anything. Including carrying out a terrorist attack and claiming that they have to declare martial law and suspend the constitution. Hitler also suspended the constitution and carried out a fake terror attack in which he blamed the communists for burning down the Reichstag when the Nazis were behind it.

Blaming the left for Fascism is so deluded on its face that it simply beggars belief, or would, if I didn’t know that people who write these kinds of posts are Republicans who want to sow despair among the left. I also find the defeafening silence on Mossad’s use of identity theft to get into Dubai to kill a Palestinian leader extremely disturbing. Especially since a former Mossad agent has written a book claiming that Mossad has a passport factory which can make not only passports but any document of such quality that they are undetectable as fakes. It’s one of those stories that will just be denied oxygen until it dies, but it’s a really important story and should be widely covered and investigated. But where that story should be there’s just silence anda few crickets chirping. It says more about what’s wrong with all media than anything else could.

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By Peter M. Gross, February 27, 2010 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment
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We all recognize that Glen Beck is a Right-Wing mouthpiece.  However, he and his irks failed to recognize or ignore the fact that throughout human history, it was the intelligent and progressive leaders who battled and won freedom from tyranny for future generations.  We must remember ideological conservative is basically retrograde policies that benefits the elites.

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By MarthaA, February 27, 2010 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

“It is only when it is false that it is wrong & other people are hurt for no reason.”

There is no fire in Right-Wing Conservative Glenn Beck’s packed theater, but Glenn Beck is yelling FIRE to stampede the populace away from being liberal, progressive, or socialist, and because of all of Rupert Murdoch’s Right-Wing sophism and propaganda for the benefit of Conservatism, many of the populace now think they are conservative Right-Wingers even if they are on Social Security, which is ludicrous.  This Right-Wing propaganda is flipping the populace around to thinking conservative is liberal, when it is absolutely the opposite.  That is wrong and against the best interest of the populace.

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By Inherit The Wind, February 27, 2010 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

christian96, February 27 at 1:56 pm #

Ardee—-I knew after I wrote the sentence there
would be ignorant people like yourself who would
misunderstand my comment.  I am not prejudiced.
I was stating a fact.  I did get tired of standing
in line with blacks and mexicans because that’s who
was in line.  If you had any intelligence at all
you would have understood that.  Did you graduate
from high school?

*************************************

I don’t understand it either.  What is tiresome about Blacks and Mexicans? H have friends and colleagues who are both, have worked for both, had both work for me as well as other ethnicities.  I find most cultural differences fascinating, and see skin color like eye or hair color. Since most Mexicans are part Native American, and since my younger chile is mostly Mayan with SOME European tossed in, he’s ethnically probably just about the same ethnically as most Mexicans despite being Guatemalan.  Obviously I have NO problem having my kid around me or I’d be a real sicko.

So, no, I have NO idea why you hated standing in line with “blacks and mexicans”.  All that comes to me is that you have some visceral aversion to Black people and to Hispanics.  Since you claim to be Christian, I suggest you look into yourself and see why you feel this way.  Didn’t it occur to you that those “blacks and mexicans” were suffering just as you were, maybe more because THEY get pre-judged by their skin color or last name?

I understand hating to stand in an unemployment line.  Been there, done that, they can keep it.

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By Night-Gaunt, February 27, 2010 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

Glenn Beck not just helps to stir up anger but directs it to the Progressives (who are also labeled as communists, fascists, socialists etc..) which is what totalitarian movements want to do too. The difference is that they want them to do violence and to take by force what they are directed to. Beck now makes sure to directly tell them not to do harm but he fills his show with the kind of frame work (as all the others do) that will logically lead to such horrors.

If you register Mildred your postings will be faster.

norman harman, February 26 at 3:51 pm #
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blah blah (Shear genius! So deep anyone would drown in its intellectual depths. Wow!)

Beck & his ilk attack certain communities ones to be exposed then eliminated. So can you understand the neferious reasons for it?

Tennessee-Socialist, food isn’t supposed to be taxed. It isn’t in Texas. Capitalism was fused with the Christianity of the moneyed in this country right around its formation.

Basoflakes, Beck actually called him “insane” and called on others not to even find anything to agree with in his letter!

It is okay to yell “fire” in a packed theater if there is a fire, MarthaA. Forgot that did you? It is only when it is false that it is wrong & other people are hurt for no reason. Remember that the next time you use it.

“I, eventually, got tired of standing in the welfare line with blacks and Mexicans.”christian96

A fact it was but it was how you stated it that sounds racist. So you are too good for them are you? Or is it just waiting in line with others? Or are they less deserving than you? Considering there are more whites than anyone else in all those lines for welfare if they can get any that is. Would you have been more comfortable if it were whites and Asians?

Too bad we don’t have an equal opportunity to come on his show and correct his errors, i.e. Beck’s. But MSNBC does some of that now so it is fine. I can do the rest for myself.

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By William W. Wexler, February 27, 2010 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

Glenn Beck is a terrorist by definition.

He is trying to suppress a group of Americans by lumping them in with America’s enemies, thereby threatening them to cower and remain silent. 

How’s that working out for you, Glenn?

http://www.glennbeckreport.com
http://www.glenn-beck-sucks.com/
http://www.stopbeck.com
http://foxnewsboycott.com/
http://www.loudobbsisanidiot.com/glenn-beck/

And many more.

-Wexler

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By gerard, February 27, 2010 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

That Glenn Beck stirs up a lot of anger is more than evident here.  It is also evident that he stirs up a lot of anger among his listeners.  Anger plus anger equals anger.

Free speech allows anger to be verbalized on the assumption that verbalizing will decrease the urge to act it out destructively.

Are there other reactions besides anger?  Are there ways that anger can be turned into constructive action?  Are the answers to these questions also the answers to Glenn Beck, Rupert Murdoch and all the other angry media-dominators?  Can we even discuss the question of alternatives at this point?

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By Leefeller, February 27, 2010 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

It seems to me after reading Christian 96’s list of Murdoch’s comprehensive assets, manipulation and the opportunism used to create selected sentiments is the problem.

Attacking community seems most insane, ignoring war more so and fostering ignorance seems the cherry on top.

Buy American if you can find it, this may start at the community level, boycott manipulators and opportunists any way possible these may be possible directions for healing?

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