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Posted on May 4, 2010
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AP / David Goldman

New York police officers stand at the intersection of West 45th Street and Seventh Avenue in Times Square, near where a car bomb was found.

By Robert Scheer

What if Faisal Shahzad, the alleged Times Square car bomber, had turned out to be an illegal immigrant from Mexico? Imagine the fuel it would have provided to those who are using national security as an excuse for cracking down on hardworking immigrants in Arizona. The reality is that the terrorists who have attacked us, every one of the 9/11 hijackers included, all had their papers in order.

Shahzad had entered the country back in 1999 on a student visa and then was granted an H-1B visa, offered to those whose technical skills are needed in the economy. At the time of his arrest he was a naturalized citizen, and there is no evidence of his ever having broken any laws in getting to that status. Another point of interest is that the “weapon of mass destruction” he is charged with attempting to detonate was as primitive as it gets, and was the basic part of a woefully inept attempt to employ the fertilizer bomb technique used with horrid efficiency in the Oklahoma City bombing by several—born in the USA—self-defined patriots. 

The Times Square car bomb, while certainly capable of inflicting death on scores of innocents and destroying nearby structures, hardly qualifies for WMD designation and indeed would seem to mock our highly warranted concern over such threats. The case is also a reminder that the massive defense budgets for high-tech warfare that have pushed close to a trillion dollars a year since the 9/11 attack are beside the point in countering terrorists who turn firecrackers into bombs. This man was caught because of old-fashioned police work, after officers were alerted initially by a vigilant Times Square T-shirt peddler.

And while some Republican politicians, led by Sen. John McCain, attempted to turn this into an occasion for attacking civil liberties and stoking the Miranda rights debate, it is clear that the investigation moved forward in an extremely effective and expeditious manner with full regard for constitutional protections.

Credit Glenn Beck of Fox News for breaking with that sort of demagoguery and asserting that the rule of law is basic to our freedom and not just an inconvenient indulgence. “He [Shahzad] is a citizen of the United States, so I say we uphold the laws and the Constitution on citizens,” Beck had the guts to assert in a Fox broadcast. “If you are a citizen, you obey the law and follow the Constitution; [Shahzad] has all the rights under the Constitution.” Beck added, “We don’t shred the Constitution when [doing so] is popular. We do the right thing.”

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Compare those profound words of wisdom from one that many liberals loathe to the advice from a former Democratic Party vice presidential candidate for whom many of us voted.  Sen. Joe Lieberman went further than McCain and argued for summarily obliterating all constitutional rights for citizens charged with terrorism. Lieberman even suggested stripping them of their citizenship before they are convicted of any crime:

“I think it’s time for us to look at whether we want to amend that law to apply it to American citizens who choose to become affiliated with foreign terrorist organizations, whether they should not also be deprived automatically of their citizenship, and therefore be deprived of rights that come with that citizenship when they are apprehended and charged with a terrorist act.”

If ever a real WMD is used against us, such as a primitive nuclear weapon in a suitcase smuggled into Manhattan, look to Lieberman to demand we do massive roundups of tens of millions of suspicious folks in sight, opening wide the concentration camps. If a fizzled attempt to explode propane in a car in Times Square can drive Lieberman to summarily sacrifice centuries of this nation’s devotion to the rule of law and protection of the individual, it wouldn’t take much to send him into the dark world of totalitarian madness.

It is safe to argue that almost every society in the history of the modern world has experienced acts of terrorist violence that make that car bomb in New York City seem like a drunk’s pathetic rendition of a recipe from the “Anarchist Cookbook.” Throughout the world, far deadlier threats are an ongoing reality, and yet America has often urged restraint in reaction to such dangers, asserting that the abrogation of individual freedom, particularly in times of duress, makes a society weaker, not stronger. That is the advice we gave Russian leaders only a month ago when they were dealing with much more serious threats.

Fortunately, we now have a president and an attorney general who embrace that indelible wisdom in defense of due process at home as well. It is a very good thing that Lieberman is not a heartbeat away from ruling—and ruining—us all. 


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By LocalHero, May 11, 2010 at 3:03 am Link to this comment

Joe Leiberman is a disgrace to everyone except, apparently, the terrorist state of Israel.

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By Robert, May 10, 2010 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

Mossad Truck Bombs on Sept 11


     
      ISRAELI DETAINEES


“Evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It is classified information.”

~~~~~~~~~

Click on link to watch this short video on 9/11/01 with Dan Rather & other reporters from CNN…. :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aKj6uJ5Mt4&feature=related

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By garth, May 10, 2010 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

I agree with and I admire Leefellers Americanism.
Voices like Leefelller ought to be heard.

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By Leefeller, May 10, 2010 at 4:29 am Link to this comment

ITW,

One sidedness is the classic fanatics foundatioan, for their cause!

Absoluisims require the absense of reason, why else would opinion also be banned for questions may show feet of clay!

May have something to do with freedom of speech and an Ass like Beck the opportunist being able to make money using it!

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By Inherit The Wind, May 10, 2010 at 4:00 am Link to this comment

AK:
Do you actually KNOW the difference between:
1) Resistance,
2) Guerrilla War,
and
3) Terrorism?

BTW, I have personal friends who were there and SAW the devastation of the destruction of the WTC, AND the attack on the Pentagon. One friend saw people jumping to their deaths rather than burn in agony. He saw body parts raining down. Had the WTC bombers timed their attack better, over 50,000 people would have been killed rather than the 3000, as the buildings would have been full.  That wasn’t in Asia, that was in New York, 25 miles from my home.  There was NOBODY in this area who was untouched.
Our sitter lost two friends, a second-grader in my kid’s school lost his father, co-workers lost friends.

But rather than blame those that did it, and take credit for it, Al Qaeda, a vast mis-information campaign is out there to claim it was the CIA and/or Mossad rather than the people in Afghanistan hosted by the Taliban there.  That way, the very same response by Americans that YOU justify against Americans, somehow becomes invalid.

The Arab and Moslem websites were putting out that 9/11 was a “Jewish” conspiracy within hours of the attack.  They put it out first and it got bought into by people who cannot believe we could be attacked so effectively by such simple weapons.

Yet if you acknowledge that Al Qaeda was behind that attack, then you MUST acknowledge the USA’s going after those that did it and those that sheltered them.

And what is Al Qaeda’s justification for the attacks? US military bases existing in Saudi Arabia, the Islamic Holy Land, even though they are by the invitation of the Saudi government. Not the Palestinians, not the first Iraq war, not even support for Israel. 

Nothing is ever one-sided AK

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By A Khokar, May 10, 2010 at 12:34 am Link to this comment

Inherit the Wind,
Yes, I agree that this is quite possible that man might have been radicalized. Please look at the previous post of mine of [May 8 at 5:54 am#.]
I have already pointed out this factor as second premise to his action which reads as follow:

[2. The man has been radicalised. Any American citizen as Mr Shahzad is; when ever he/she visits a war zone like the one we have in Tribal area in Pakistan. It is but essential that after seeing the destruction and carnage being brought to the innocent people owing to the atrocious acts of USA by Drone attacks and other CIA covert subversive operation being carried out by TTP on the behest of CIA, inside Pakistan. It is likely to stir the conscious of any human being and that he may turn against USA and indulge in such sort of activities.]

But irony is that out there; owing to the CIA covert operations through its cohort; TTP. Their carnage, destruction and spread of anarchy brought to the country have crossed all the limits. Economically country is so much depleted that collapse of society is seen eminent.

Above all, daily drones attacks are fuelling the fire—which is becoming a main cause of radicalization. You kill one and produce at least six more terrorist.

America is on it retreat; considering it as an unwinnable war. The peoples being bombed out there; bear a rancour, grudge of an elephant which they keep in their hearts and I hope that US is able to bring back the retreating force intact.

Afghanistan has the bad reputation of proving to be the grave yard of the Empires.

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By Leefeller, May 9, 2010 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment

Speculating on who or what sponsored this attempted bomber, is really just conjuncture, for how does anyone believe what they are being fed?  Deceptions are there for a reason.

I had trouble with the credibility of Tiger Woods like media exposure tracking him down and almost getting away thing, the fizzling bomb and the publicity seems like a bad script from some a sit com!

What I am saying is, why do they publicize how they tracked him down and finally caught him, to make it easier for the next clown?

Lets speculate on potential sponsors! The Republicans did it, because they wanted to blame it on Obama! The Democrats did it, so they could blame it on the Republicans? The bigots did it so they could blame it on Israel!  The CIA did it so they could act like they did something! Anybody else notice the George Bush smirk on the bombers face?

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By Leefeller, May 9, 2010 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man;

If opinions could not change then the would not be opinions. for fanatics have belief not opinion.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 9, 2010 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

So that’s how you see life? A military action that happens to a village helping the Taliban justifies a car bomb in a public square?  What makes you think there’s no American who would then seek revenge for HIS family’s loss? 

Actually, they interviewed this guy’s family in Pakistan and other townspeople and they couldn’t believe he had done this.  HIS ancestral home was not destroyed by “Apache Helicopters”.

So, he’s just a radicalized and indoctrinated a-hole.

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By A Khokar, May 9, 2010 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

You really need not to let your adrenaline run high; because other they do have sufficient amount of adrenaline in their bodies too. Let’s not let civility depart in mutual discussion that then only arrogance comes in….


Anyhow; how will you like to evaluate this and be justified—- that when some a**holes riding apaches appear up over a lone village and start strafing with bullets, the people going about in the streets, minding their own business; but they bombard them, blow them up and destroy their dwellings? They leave the elderly, the women and kids riddled with bullets, killed and in pools of blood. They destroy water wells, streams and bridges and reduce them to rubbles.

And then—-if some juvenile from that very area comes up here—- and in revenge—-tries to pay back in kind…. then let’s be brave enough to face his blows too; which in any case may not be 1/1000th of the scale that he had to put up with, when he and his family had to bear.

This just hypothesis and I will only say; that sense must prevail and better don’t do anything which you may not have the capacity to bear its repercussions. All the bloods have got their red colour and every pain is a—-pain.

people living in glass houses must not throw stone on others and I have already said that you only reap whirlwind when you sow a wind.

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By Shenonymous, May 9, 2010 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

Top Banana Lady (TBL for short) asks…

When Islamists kill other Islamists is that all right? Or would I
be more respectful if I made a distinction between Islamists and
Muslims?  See story and photo at
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6320EK20100404

Then this story in February, http://www.examiner.com/x-4454-
Geopolitics-Examiner~y2010m2d6-Sunnis-kill-65-Shiites-in-Iraq-
and-Pakistan-in-coordinated-attacks-Photo-essay

Or how about this one in April…
http://www.stabroeknews.com/2010/world/04/04/gunmen-storm-
sunni-enclave-in-baghdad-kill-24/

And another http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/world/08/20/iraq-
forces-admit-lapses-after-blasts-kill-95/

Then try this one that also has little meaning, right?...
http://www.stabroeknews.com/2009/world/04/24/suicide-attacks-
kill-76-as-iraq-reports-arrest/

That is about 300 or so Muslims dead from Islamist terrorists attacks
within two months.  Are those justified killings?  Is killing ever justified
other than in defense?

Or is name calling?  omop you are simply inadequate and
irrelevant, and you never have had anything to say of importance on
any forum, but you keep trying to piss as far as the big boys and fail
every time and come up short.  Seems you might have a serious
learning disability and a physical one as well.  You act like a total ass
especially when you start out calling me names then feign indignation
by pretending I called you a name.  Way…ell I do but plainly in self
defense.  You are famous on TD for that passive aggression because
you have no ability to argue like an intelligent man.  Your residual
hatred of me must occupy your every moment of life, well I guess I do
share that limelight with ITW.  Good!  You too have made us
deities!  I have many worshippers.  It isn’t easy being a goddess… even
of bananas, bananaheads that is.  Tra la tra la

Bananahead omop, you are commanded to wipe the shit off your
face.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 9, 2010 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

A Khohar:

I see. So….you think it’s justified for some asshole to come to some busy area where ordinary people are minding their own business, living their lives and then blowing them all to shit.  That’s gonna really teach them a lesson isn’t it?

What you don’t understand is that you have never seen the American people really riled up. 

“Don’t make me angry, Mr. McGhee.  You won’t like me angry”.

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By omop, May 9, 2010 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous.

  Chiquita you exhibit the typical insults & prejudices that fools use for reason.

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By A Khokar, May 9, 2010 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind,

We are humanbeings and we do get carried away with the beautiful figures having lovely contoured bums, the revealing bust line, long slender legs—- topped with emerald faces and flailing fragrant blond hairs——-but the trouble is that you may never part with your own wild-ass.

While sitting thousands of miles away; the US citizens may not be aware of it that what atrocities are being committed out there by the forces sent out to occupy the foreign lands and how furociuosly they are coercing and subjugating the innocent peoples.

What is the crime of these subjugated people——that they are defenceless, destitute; could not put up a sufficient defence to the invading forces on the time of invasion and now are unable to resist the occupying forces?

They somehow were not smart enough to appreciate and build the bombs and guns in time and the other arsenals with which they could kill and only kill.

But is this something great to kill or bring a destruction to the defenceless and unarmed wayfarer that you may come across?

Anyhow; if we take this that this stooge named Faisal Shahzad managed to come in united States and wanted to kill the people here——because his nears and dears are daily being killed by drone attacks and other discriminate killing without rime a reason in his home land.

Is American killing more justifiable and he is not justified? What is this hue and cry that we see on the American media?

That is why they say;

When you got the chance that by virtue of it; you happen to be atop on your opponent; and are in position to beat the man placed down—- Better; beat him only that much—- that when he may be on top on you; you will be able to bear it.

You ‘Inherit the Wind’ and you will be in better position to know that by sowing a wind you only get whirlwind.

Regards

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By Shenonymous, May 9, 2010 at 11:06 am Link to this comment

It is fascinating how you can keep defending your callow
feebleness of mind, omop.  With each denigration
you step closer and closer to the shithole of blathering
ignorance you are creating for yourself.  Ah, but borderline
insanity does put one at the edge of that precipice.  You are
only one step away.  Be careful!

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By Peter Knopfler, May 9, 2010 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

Hellooo Rupert Murdoch owns Fox news, and now recently sold 7% to a Arab Prince, and NOW Glen Beck, O^Really, Hannity, and the new puppet for Murdoch Red white and blue, Sarah Palin, they all are working for the Australian Jew who sold 7% of their butts to an Arab Princer. 13 years ago Murdoch ran Tony Blair of England media campaign, got labour elected for over 10 years Now Murdoch messes for money with Italian Media, going against the current President. And also changing the American popular attitude with FOX, foreign invasions are everywhere. IF your not looking at the global picture you[ll be mezmerized by the local propaganda. Every time I see Beck, Hannity, Phil, I vision them in a Turban, with Muslin attitude, yes money talks, Fox is Bull Sh//t, Beck can never be right, he works for and with the enemy. I hope brainwashed America can see this, understand this, and go back to Jon Steward! Sarah Palin, Murdoch latest PUPPET, working for the Arab Oil.

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By omop, May 9, 2010 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, May 9 at 1:27 pm #

“Your calling me names shows your ignorance and inability to argue
forcefully”

The one word “Sanctimonious”  is according to the not-ignorant Shenonymous
is now NOT ONE WORD BUT SEVERAL.

But then it may be due to my not having, “that skill of thought”, that only a
“chosen” elite like Shenonymous are endowed with.

The idea that one can continue killing people at the rate of some 30 a day in
Afg/Pak with no reactions from the natives is quite amorphous.

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By Shenonymous, May 9, 2010 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

omop - I won’t argue there are others who are just as
heinous in their intent, Americans… and not Americans!  Yours
is a straw man argument.  It is within the legitimate province
to judge Shahzad for his immoral act and his act alone.  This
story is about him, not all terrorists.  To lump all similar things
together gets no results.  It creates an amorphous target where
the heart of the problem is hidden.  If you want to stop all killing in
war, you have to start with ones not many-ies. To give critical
assessment of humankind’s inhumanity you need to argue synoptically,
philosophically.  That kind of talk is very much needed since it gives a
basis for morality.  But I don’t think that kind of arguing is your intent,
or it may be you do not have that skill of thought.  Nevertheless, each
human must be responsible for their own actions.  Terrorists of the
contemporary Islamist type much work alone, viz., suicide bombers,
and Shahzad-like bombers, et al, except in the case of the 9/11
violence, or the Cole Incident, and a few others, but mainly as
individuals.  Unlike the IRA who worked pretty much as a united front
using sniper attacks and bombings which took groups of various sizes.

Your calling me names shows your ignorance and inability to argue
forcefully.

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By Spooky-43, May 9, 2010 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

By omop, May 9 at 12:46 pm #

“** WHO THE F*CK IS WE TO KILL AND DENY OTHERS NOT TO?”

The quote above is currently in first place for “OUTRAGEOUS STATEMENT OF THE MONTH”

But on a serious note, it should be adknowledged, that in America we are free to kill and be killed.

It may be against the law, but that doesn’t stop us from doing as much of it as any one else in history has.  Humans are, above all else, murderers.

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By omop, May 9, 2010 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

Sanctimonious Shenonymous, May 9 at 11:42 am #

        “It might be called an act of war, where
        the terrorists have declared war on America. 
        Be that as it may, Shahzad is a criminal traitor
        to his newly adopted country, but a loyalist to
        his former tutors.  Deception is deception and
        sedition is sedition.”

        AS COMPARED TO ANOTHER IMMIGRANT FROM
        EASTERN EUROPE AND WHO IS COMMITTED TO
        KILLING 500,000 CHILDREN BECAUSE THE PRICE
        IS WORTH IT.

        500,000 CHILDREN IN IRAQ ARE OR ARE NOT EQUAL
        TO 500,000 CHILDREN IN NEW YORK, MOSCOW,
        CANADA, ISRAEL.HAITI, BRAZIL OR CZECHOSLOVAKIA
        WHERE MADELEINE WAS BORN.


Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million
children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And,
you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the
price—WE*** THE PRICE IS WORTH IT
—60 Minutes (5/12/96)

        *** WHO THE F*CK IS WE TO KILL AND DENY OTHERS NOT TO?

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By Shenonymous, May 9, 2010 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

An act may be committed by one person, that is obvious, it
does not take a genius to figure that one out, least of all a
whole guvamint.  However, it is also obvious that Shahzad
was inspired to visions of glory by that which he identified
with long before he became a US citizen.  Why he decided to
emigrate to America is the mystery, leaving his family in Pakistan. Does
that imply some premeditation? 

Millions emigrate to America, millions are disillusioned that don’t find
the streets paved with gold, mainly because of the greed of Wall
Streeters who don’t necessarily reside on Wall Street but live in your
own communities.  But that is a fact of life not only in America, but the
non-socialist Middle Eastern countries as well!  Greed is not confined
to Americans.  It is a world malady, in socialistic states or not!  And
rarely one American, naturalized or not, make the choice to cause
death and destruction of people, American or not.  His is a symptom of
psychopathology since his act was indiscriminate of victims.  Such is
the acts of terrorists whose targets are any and all people.  People are
not real humans and anyone not of their tribe are faceless and
nameless anonymous enemies.  It might be called an act of war, where
the terrorists have declared war on America.  Be that as it may, Shahzad
is a criminal traitor to his newly adopted country, but a loyalist to his
former tutors.  Deception is deception and sedition is sedition.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 9, 2010 at 6:10 am Link to this comment

A Khokar, May 9 at 5:58 am #

Inherit The Wind
As it has come to the light and accepted by US administration also that Faisal Shahzad indulged in this act of terrorism—- as a lone wolf.

Why he did so?

This is quite debateable;—- but as a desperate needy man as he was; that he lost his house for not having a suitable job and had a meagre amount at hand for living. Needy person like him are likly to fell a prey to any trap.

Change of job and even profession is very common now a days. It is quite possible to opt and become a covert agent which he may find the new job as most exciting and rewarding that he has ever known and make him enter a new field in his life. The reward he may receive, may serve him as security for his future too.
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Just as I said: This is nothing but a WAG on your part—a wild-ass guess.  You just ASSUME nothing bad can happen in the world that isn’t managed by the CIA or Mossad.

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By A Khokar, May 9, 2010 at 2:41 am Link to this comment

Dear DaveZX3,

Whereas United States may never be able to justify that why; US is out there in a foreign land like Afghanistan and the atrocities being committed there and havoc unleashed by the forces out which can be graded as most despicable and heinous that US committing.

But this is very surprising that a disgruntled US citizen like Faisal Shazad who lost his job, his house and have got some two demanding kids at home; when he went out with a load full of crude incinerating material in a car like Pathfinder to make it a mega show in place like Time Square; it shows nothing except this that how desperate the man was.

This is absurd that the entire media and government officials they straight away linked this with- God forsaken place where Al Qaeda or Taliban are said to be living? The place where to get a can of coke is a Hercules job.

Why can’t we check it at our home? US have got lot many home-grown extremist that they would like to settle their scores.

Although linking of this incident to Pakistan or Taliban may strengthen the US and allys pretext to give them some more beatings and hope that war which is lost being a unwinnable war may be turned into some face saving victory. It is most absurd as it could be.

But I don’t think that one car loaded with some incinerating material may change the humiliation in Afghanistan into victory.

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By A Khokar, May 9, 2010 at 1:58 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind
As it has come to the light and accepted by US administration also that Faisal Shahzad indulged in this act of terrorism—- as a lone wolf.

Why he did so?

This is quite debateable;—- but as a desperate needy man as he was; that he lost his house for not having a suitable job and had a meagre amount at hand for living. Needy person like him are likly to fell a prey to any trap.

Change of job and even profession is very common now a days. It is quite possible to opt and become a covert agent which he may find the new job as most exciting and rewarding that he has ever known and make him enter a new field in his life. The reward he may receive, may serve him as security for his future too.

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By A Khokar, May 9, 2010 at 1:54 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind
As it has come to the light and accepted by US administration also that Faisal Shahzad indulged in this act of terrorism—- as a lone wolf.

Why he did so?

This is quite debateable;—- but as a desperate needy man as he was; that he lost his house for not having a suitable job and had a meagre amount at hand for living. Person like him can always fell prey to any trap.
Change of job and even profession is very common now a days. It is quite possible to opt and become a covert agent which he may find as most exciting and rewarding job he has ever known and enter a new field in his life. The reward he may receive, may serve him as security for his future too.

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By DaveZx3, May 8, 2010 at 11:50 pm Link to this comment

By A Khokar, May 8 at 5:54 am #

A Khokar writes, “when ever he/she visits a war zone like the one we have in Tribal area in Pakistan. It is but essential that after seeing the destruction and carnage being brought to the innocent people owing to the atrocious acts of USA by Drone attacks and other CIA covert subversive operation being carried out by TTP on the behest of CIA, inside Pakistan. It is likely to stir the conscious of any human being and that he may turn against USA and indulge in such sort of activities.”

I can understand exactly what you mean, Mr/Ms Khokar.  A friend of mine reacently returned from a visit to Phoenix.

After seeing the destruction and carnage being brought to the innocent people of Arizona by virtue of the extreme firepower of the Mexican Drug Gangs who cross the border in large numbers along with other illegals, he had the idea to fill a van full of dynamite and drive it up to the busiest intersection in Mexico City. 

Thank God I talked him out of it.  I had to.  He asked me to lend him the money to buy the van, and my insurance company told me it would not be covered if used in an act of terrorism, nor would it be covered in Mexico. 

F—-ing insurance companies.  They always find some reason to exclude the coverage you need. 

So just in case the CIA has nothing better to do, keep an eye on my ex-friend.  He is saving up money to buy a van.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 8, 2010 at 4:33 am Link to this comment

So, A Kokher:
Do you have ANY evidence the Times Square Bomber is a CIA agent?

Or did you just put that out of you @$$ like I think you did, assuming ALL evil in the world must either come from the CIA or Israel?

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By A Khokar, May 8, 2010 at 1:54 am Link to this comment

Time Square Bomber: The Third Dimension to His Act

Dear Friends,

There can be some three dimensions or sides to this incident. Or say to this plan of carnage in order to create a scene of havoc in place like Time square in New York:

1. A terrorist act as claimed by TTP (Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan- a CIA brain child). Reportedly they are boasting around that they planned and carried out this act to show that they even can target well inside in the heart of America.

2. The man has been radicalised. Any American citizen as Mr Shahzad is; when ever he/she visits a war zone like the one we have in Tribal area in Pakistan. It is but essential that after seeing the destruction and carnage being brought to the innocent people owing to the atrocious acts of USA by Drone attacks and other CIA covert subversive operation being carried out by TTP on the behest of CIA, inside Pakistan. It is likely to stir the conscious of any human being and that he may turn against USA and indulge in such sort of activities.


3. The Third dimension is the CIA Covert Operations that a man who fits all the grounds to be a covert. He was jobless; a common US citizen problem; no job, loss of house and meagre amount available to run the life; plus being a person from the area of war zone—-very befittingly, he is selected by CIA; which is not unusual and has been involved in this terrorist act of violence that makes the most crude pathetic type of car bomb; a recipe from the “Anarchist Cook Book” that——where as it make a big news but does not explodes.

Every action has got certain aims and in present date and time when US is fixed up in Afghanistan war and has planned to quit this war in humiliation as this war become an winnable war. It leaves behind Pakistan; an ambitious and potent Islamic nuclear state in charge of this region. US as well as India may well be desirous to strengthen the prevalent perception that Pakistan remains prone to the Terrorist attacks and her nuclear weapons be taken away from Pakistan or at least kept under a special international vigilance body where practically Pakistan is seen defanged.
 
Considering the arguments above, the third dimension may be the most appropriate and befitting and we may discuss it out.

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By SteveL, May 8 at 1:23 am #

“This is a lot like the joke about a room full of monkeys typing randomly.  Sooner
or later they get something right.”

Beck must be doing a helluva lot of random typing, because I think he is getting that Chicago Climate Exchange fiasco right also.

I was hoping some serious journalism would be devoted to that situation, but it won’t ever happen.  The MSM doesn’t do much serious investigative journalism anymore.  Too risky. 

Even though their ratings suck, and newspaper sales are in a nosedive, apparently the MSM are content being the mouthpiece of the state instead of the watchdog for the people.  Maybe their revenues come in through the back door now; who knows how they pay the bills.

Beck’s group did a lot of investigative work on that story, all of which is true, as I have understood for a year and a half now, as it is all readily available in public records.  Good job on that!

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By SteveL, May 7, 2010 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

This is a lot like the joke about a room full of monkeys typing randomly.  Sooner
or later they get something right.

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By Peter Knopfler, May 7, 2010 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

Glen beck does not know anything, he gets paid to irritate and sound off because Murdoch knows special effects, mesmerize the American public, Murdoch does the same in Italia “illusion without substaace” phoney just for a pay check, they don`t care about America, its just a popular act, fooling the fools Glen beck, the passion of addiction—So What, are there not other intelligent things to report on?, British debates elections, not once did they have to invite God, prayer of even the word religion was never used by any party members or voters. Unlike the stale religious blind faith politics of the USA

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By omop, May 7, 2010 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind.
 
  You gotta be prescient

Talk about Israel, and numbers like 88, 69, 50, 31, 6, 666, .

  Came across this and had to pass it on to you. Check it out.

  http://mondoweiss.net/2010/04/israel-has-been-arizona-all-along.html

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By Shenonymous, May 7, 2010 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

markus, why it seems you might have two AHs and a
plethora of opinions?  Or do I have it backwards, a plethora
of assholes and two opinions?

Nor, firefly, were a million a year trying to immigrate
to the US either in the early 20th century.  In 64 years
16,000,000 were processed. For more relevant information, visit:
http://www.visajourney.com/content/i130faq

Exactly how would you change the process?

http://www.energyofanation.org/Who_Can_Immigrate_to_the_U_S_Fact_S
heet.html

U.S. immigration laws are complex. About 1,000,000 people legally
immigrate to the U.S. annually. Due to strict immigration categories,
permanent legal status is not available to the majority of the world’s
population. The process to gain a permanent legal status generally
happens in two steps:

Step One: A person must fit into an existing immigration
category. If a person does not fit into one of the existing categories,
then that person may not enter or remain in the U.S. under its laws.
There are four main categories through which people may gain a lawful
permanent resident status in the U.S. through: (a) a close family
member who is a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident; (b) an
employer or special skill; (c) a special lottery of extra visas; (d) a
special category for protected classes of people

Step Two: The person must be eligible to acquire a legal status in
the U.S. based on their own background. Even if someone does fit into
one of the existing categories to obtain permanent status, there may
still be reasons that the person may not be allowed to enter or stay in
the United States. These reasons include: convictions for crimes; threats
to national security; participation in persecution of others; the inability
to show they can support themselves without receipt of government
assistance; having falsely declared oneself to be a U.S. citizen;
immigration violations; and being in the U.S. without permission for
extended periods of time. The U.S. conducts thorough security checks
on everyone seeking permanent admission to the United States.

Report from Migration Policy Institute MPI gives factual information, not
emotional conjecture:
http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?id=651

As of 2007, the number of new arrivals remained relatively stable at
about 400,000 annually between 1986 and 2006.

During 2006, nearly 1.3 million people were granted lawful permanent
resident status.

Family reunification accounted for more than 63 percent of all lawful
permanent immigration in 2006.

Not only does the US process immigrants, the US also process refugees. 
From Refugee & Immigration Services http://www.risva.org/faq.htm

The United States accepts a limited number of refugees each year. This
number is determined by the President in consultation with Congress.
In fiscal year 2008, for example, 70,000 refugees will be permitted to
come to the United States. The total number of refugees admitted to
the U.S. is divided among different regions of the world. In fiscal year
2006, the regions and the numbers of admissions are:
  Africa-16,000
  Europe and Central Asia—3,000
  East Asia—20,000
  Latin America and the Caribbean—3,000
  Near East and South Asia-28,000
  Unallocated Reserve-10,000 to be allocated to regional ceilings as
needed

Here is a timeline of immigration to the USA from 1954 to 2010.  The
web address is very long so a copy/paste is required.

http://www.google.com/search?
q=History+of+immigrants+to+the+USA+each+year+up+to+2010+-
illegal+-Canada+-Mexico+-Italy+-Italian+-
Jews&hl=en&lr;=&sa=X&tbo=p&tbs=tl:1,tlul:1954,tluh:2010,tll:1955,tlh:
1959&ei=T4_

Ever think of doing some research?  Even a little bit would be
impressive!

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By rjg1971, May 7, 2010 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

Of course, Sheer omits the apparent motive for the
failed attack: President Hope-a-Dope’s escalation of
the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I guess for some
reason not everybody thinks he’s a peace maker.

And this highlights the utter uselessness of the
PATRIOT ACT in actual crime fighting. PATRIOT isn’t
totally useless. It is very effective at trashing the
Bill of Rights.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 7, 2010 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

I’m surprised. Do you REALLY not know what the code phrase “88” means?  Or are you just pretending?

I’m not the one who sees Israel as the source of all things evil…it was YOU who blamed that little nation for our illegal immigrant problem.  This is amazing since estimates of the total number is illegals in the USA is just about DOUBLE Israel’s total population!

For those how don’t know, “88” is used by things like the Aryan Brotherhood and other skinhead orgs.

“8” refers to the eighth letter of the alphabet—“H”.
So “88” is short for…..“Heil Hitler!”  Now you know.  I didn’t make this up.

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By par4, May 7, 2010 at 9:07 am Link to this comment
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No sane American cares about illegal immigrants,hard working or not, when there is massive unemployment and no good jobs left anyway. Every time you write about it you appear to be another out of touch ‘Liberal Elitist’. Unless we rebuild our industrial/manufacturing economy immigration reform is a losing proposition. Build American/Buy American worked from the founding of the republic and it’s the only thing that will work for the future.If there is one.

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By omop, May 7, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, May 6 at 9:50 pm #
omop, May 6 at 7:39 pm #

Of COURSE the illegal immigrant problem is Israel’s fault! Isn’t EVERYTHING???

But you’re not anti-Semitic, nooooo, not you, our resident “88"er! And the Pope
isn’t Catholic, either.

What is it with you people? Alwast accusing others of being “antisemitic”, having
88’s [whatever the hell that means] and now including the Pope.

Guess Sigmund Freud’s remarks about some SPECIAL people being affected with
hysterical syndromes is not too far off the mark.

  “OF Course the illegal immigrant problem is Israel;s fault isn’t EVERYTHING???”

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By firefly, May 7, 2010 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

you say that your “grandparents, all four
of them, migrated in 1917-1920 and were detained at
Ellis Island. Between 1892 and 1954, more than 16
million people passed through that immigration and
opened January 1, 1892.”


So you’ve just proven my point. They arrived, they
were <briefly> detained and then they were free to
settle in the US and become citizens. They did not
apply from their original homes nor have to wait
until they got approval. They came and stayed! The
new policy, does not give new ‘arrivals’ the same
privileges.

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By markus, May 7, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment
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Ah Butt SHENONYMOUS…..OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASS HOLES EVERYONE HAS ONE!

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By Go Right Young Man, May 7, 2010 at 4:23 am Link to this comment

Hulk2008,

Allow me to rephrase.  Eighteen months prior to the economic crash Glenn Beck began talking about the state of the economy and the real potential for disaster.  Beck was very specific about his warnings and the causes.

This is no accident.  This was not a one time episode.  You may not enjoy learning that Beck was spot on about the looming disaster, nonetheless, his numerous warnings came to fruition.

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Beck was also correct during the 2008 democratic primary, when democrats began attacking fellow democrats for being racists by simply being critical of Sen. Obama, when he warned that IF Sen. Obama were to win the primary race All critics would be labeled as racists.  That prediction too came to fruition.

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It’s worth noting that Beck made the latter prediction in the same week an L.A. Times reporter, himself a black man, wrote the headline “Barrack The Magic Negro” and shortly after the Obama campaign accused the Clinton camp of playing “The Race Card”.

Let me be clear here.  The accusation of racism began during the democratic primary and was leveled by Obama supporters toward fellow democrats.

Beck was spot-on correct.

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By Sodium-Na, May 6, 2010 at 11:53 pm Link to this comment

A fraud will remain a fraud even if he/she starts preaching like Jesus Christ. Remember the movie entitled “Elmer Gentry”!! If you have not seen it,please do.

GLEN IS A MIRROR-IMAGE OF ELMER. AND ELMER IS A MIRROR-IMAGE OF GLEN.

Every word and ever sentence they utter and every body-language they perform is a bogus act committed to decieve for money,money and more money.

I am surprized to read that Mr.Robert Scheer has already bought the merchandize of Elmer Gentry of the 21ST century!!!

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By atheistrevolution, May 6, 2010 at 11:08 pm Link to this comment

everything you know is FALSE…

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how about I believe in WHATEVER I want - even in the FLYING SPAGHETTI
MONSTER! - and you have nothing to say!
*******************************************************************

let me show you the end results of this particular *ONE-DIMENSIONAL SCIENTIFIC MODE*
of thinking that is called *CRITICAL THINKING*, which is completely divorced from
any human objectives…

this style has been perfected by dawkins, pz, randi and the other *NEW ATHEISTS*
**
THE BOOBQUAKE - 911!
***
hey, atheists don’t even BELIEVE IN BOOBIES!!!
they thought BOOBIES had no effect… WRONG!

see, I just want to make it clear to the rest of you:
jen is unable to see that there is a CONFLICT BETWEEN EROS & SCIENCE….

http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/in-name-of-science-i-offer-my-boobs.html

http://www.blaghag.com/2010/04/quick-clarification-about-boobquake.html

see how we take a term and convert it into its AUTHENTIC POLITICAL DIMENSION - THAT
OF LIBERATION - not just merely harmless expression…

Visit for the BOOBQUAKE:

http://dissidentphilosophy.lifediscussion.net/philosophy-f1/the-boobquake-911-t1310.htm


why do you waste your time with such nonsense as *atheism*? Who are you trying to convince of your delusion?


turn to MARXISM…

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By Inherit The Wind, May 6, 2010 at 5:50 pm Link to this comment

omop, May 6 at 7:39 pm #

Go Right Young Man, May 6 at 5:54 pm.

All those Mexicans in Arizona must have read about the US’s billions sent to
Israel. And since they are already in Arizona they figure , why not spend some
of the US taxpayers money in the US. What do you think hombre? Gotta take
care of the home front first no?


How Much Aid to Israel…

...Do You American Taxpayer provide ?

Between 2009-2018, the United States is scheduled to give Israel—the largest
recipient of U.S. aid—$30 billion in aid.

How much of this total will your community provide?  Is this a good use of your
tax dollars? What else could your taxes be used for in your community?

” Everything is free in America…..“WestSide Story.

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Of COURSE the illegal immigrant problem is Israel’s fault! Isn’t EVERYTHING???

But you’re not anti-Semitic, nooooo, not you, our resident “88"er! And the Pope isn’t Catholic, either.

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By Shenonymous, May 6, 2010 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

dang…it is 16 million!  Yikes, I must be tired.  I do apologize.

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By Shenonymous, May 6, 2010 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, missed typing something there. 
“....more than 6 million people passed through that immigration
station….”  Also I noticed that copy/pasting quotes do not
always show up the way they should be.

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By Shenonymous, May 6, 2010 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

Aw butt markus, ahs luvs to rite Amerka. 

firefly-{i]“Firstly, when the flood of immigrants first came
to ?this country up until the mid 20th century, there ?were no
immigration laws – you just arrived on a boat ?and took your
chances! Not all people coming from ?Europe had ‘papers’. So you
can’t make that ?comparison.” 

Not true.  You must mean late 19th century.  My grandparents, all four
of them, migrated in 1917-1920 and they were detained at Ellis Island.
Between 1892 and 1954, more than 16 million people passed through
that immigration and opened January 1, 1892. 

Well we might as well make a game out of it, the What if game that is. 
Okay, What if, Osama bin Laden lived in the Beltway?  hahaha
Amadinijhad said he did. Yikes.  What if every time John Behner lied his
nose would grow an inch and his _____ shortened an inch.  You fill in
the blank.  hahahaha   Anyone care to play?

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By Hulk2008, May 6, 2010 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

To Yuvid 1:

AMEN !!!!

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By omop, May 6, 2010 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, May 6 at 5:54 pm.

All those Mexicans in Arizona must have read about the US’s billions sent to
Israel. And since they are already in Arizona they figure , why not spend some
of the US taxpayers money in the US. What do you think hombre? Gotta take
care of the home front first no?


How Much Aid to Israel…

...Do You American Taxpayer provide ?

Between 2009-2018, the United States is scheduled to give Israel—the largest
recipient of U.S. aid—$30 billion in aid.

How much of this total will your community provide?  Is this a good use of your
tax dollars? What else could your taxes be used for in your community? 

” Everything is free in America…..“WestSide Story.

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By Yuvid 1, May 6, 2010 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

The alien flow will stop as soon as people put enough pressure on Washington to punish the people who hire them.  The illegal’s are victims as are the tax payers in this farce.

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By Hulk2008, May 6, 2010 at 3:23 pm Link to this comment

To Go Right Young Man:

I’ve listened to Mr. Beck; I need no advice to do so.  I listen occasionally to re-affirm his overall “entertainer-posing-as-a-news-analyst” status.  The fact that while Beck accidentally says something truthful on occasion is on the same order as a blind pig finds an acorn every once in a while. 

Here’s a nugget for you:  Next time you watch Beck on TV, notice which hand he uses to write on his chalkboard.  Yup - he’s a true Lefty.  Take that to the conspiracy theory bank.  Beck is as genuine as mock apple pie - but far less tasteful.

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By Carl, May 6, 2010 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

BTW, legal immigration is out of control too. The visa diversity lottery is one example. Hundreds of thousands of non-English speaking no-skill refugees from the poorest nations on Earth are flown in each year and placed on welfare with govt housing (they get priority of U.S. citizens.) Why?

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By Carl, May 6, 2010 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

I agree that Joe Lieberman is one of the most evil persons in America. For example, he is pushing for another amnesty to reward lawbreakers and encourage millions more illegal aliens to flood across.

I don’t understand the “what if” comment. Illegal aliens kill thousands of U.S. citizens each year. They may be no more violent, but then if they weren’t here, they wouldn’t kill.

When you hear horror stories of INS detention centers, keep in mind that’s the same way U.S. citizens are detained for trial. The difference is that illegal aliens choose to remain. INS wants to send them home, but they want a court battle for asylum or other excuse, mostly hoping they will be released on bail so they can disappear. Its a common game.

I realize all these facts will anger a few crazy folks, so I await the childish insults in reply. Truthdig once had a higher class of readers, but recently they printed articles where writers called the majority of Americans—racist and extremist.

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By garth, May 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

In this thread I guess nuttiness is what you want. 
So, here’s a start, Glenn Beck and Mormonism.

In America, winning is the only thing.  Danny Ainge, General Manager of Boston Celtics and a mormon, threw a towel in th air to distact a Cleveland player at the free throw line.  A General Manager.
Now, there’s adult leadership for you.


Vote for Romney and you’ll get the same self-serving disregard for democracy.

These bastards along with with the wealthy elite are in need of a drubbing.

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By GOPeconomyROCKZ, May 6, 2010 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

Glenn Beck is totally right.  I mean seriously, ‘what if’ the planes that flew into the
twin towers were all right wing whack jobs from Fox News… aha, aha, AHA! 
then it would all be true that republicans literally despise America. 
I have my country back.

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By firefly, May 6, 2010 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

DaveZx3,

Firstly, when the flood of immigrants first came to
this country up until the mid 20th century, there
were no immigration laws – you just arrived on a boat
and took your chances! Not all people coming from
Europe had ‘papers’. So you can’t make that
comparison.

There’s very little evidence that Mexican immigrants
call officials Nazi’s (in fact, it’s only a popular
phrase of insult used by people who have lived here a
long time). Drug trafficking exists among immigrants,
legal and illegal because of the US demand for drugs.

If the US was hit by famine, or political crime and
warfare, if another country were able to take all the
US’s resources for it’s own use, leaving the majority
of US citizens starving (because of governmental
corruption and a treaty called NAFTA, neither of
which you voted for), without any prospects for jobs,
so that it is really a matter of life or death, and
your only option would be to go to Canada, would you
go, or would you wait for 5 years until rich Canada
condescendingly granted you the possibility of
citizenship, knowing that you and your family may be
dead by then? Do you understand desperation at all?
Do you know that most people around the world would
much rather stay at home, in a country they have a
right to be in, with family and a language they can
speak? The majority of people who are trying to get
to the US are doing it not because they want to come,
but because they have to come! There’s a difference.

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By Virginia777, May 6, 2010 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

This blood-thirstyness coming from liberals IS really scary, Robert Scheer, thanks for calling it out:

“Compare those profound words of wisdom from one that many liberals loathe to the advice from a former Democratic Party vice presidential candidate for whom many of us voted.  Sen. Joe Lieberman went further than McCain and argued for summarily obliterating all constitutional rights for citizens charged with terrorism. Lieberman even suggested stripping them of their citizenship before they are convicted of any crime”

This corruption of liberals is insane, and look how they have moved to the far-right, I mean, come on!!

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By garth, May 6, 2010 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

In a word, it’s all bullshit.

I want them to drop the big one on us.(Learn to love the bomb as in Dr. Strangelove.  Think like a mad man.)

That is after all their ultimate solution.

And they will. 

It won’t be Pakistanis, Afghani, Iraqis or other Arabs.  If things don’t go right or the pharoahs, they will drop it on us.  Make no mistake about it,

Consider:  300 to 400 angry barbarians.

They is us.

Don’t forget, they are playing with us.  You are just a number.

Oh, I remember when I was just a number.  Do not fold, spindle or mutilate, an IBM card.

Now, the police’s peeping tom watch and all this shit can be too much to take.  But on the other hand, it offers police protection.  The adoloscent hoods in the neighborhood stay away from my house—so far.

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By loneagle, May 6, 2010 at 8:54 am Link to this comment
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Cacophony. There I said it. Mark my word.

Adhering to the letter of the law in times like
these is like wearing armor to the big water
polo match. Get your garden in.

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By REDHORSE, May 6, 2010 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

The ILLEGALS problem/dialogue—(again,legal immigrants are not the issue)—is infected with latino militant,Marxist,racist and sepatatist factions as well as criminal elements who hold anti American attitudes just as Mr.Shahzad and his friends do. Every study on population tells us that the future will be one of limited natural resources and huge numbers of uneducated angry young people with nothing to lose. Isn’t that where terrorist in the Middle East recruit their suicide boys.

  Horror is when you see it happening to someone else. Terror is when it’s happening to you. The streets here in the Southwest are no longer safe. Our citizens have demanded a right to carry concealed weapons. Slums without water and electricity are growing on the edges of our cities.

  They need our help and understanding?? One of our immigrant areas here demanded a park for recreation. The city put 50K into playground equipment. They burned it to the ground. The city rebuilt it, they burned it to the ground again. Some thing like 15 dead women (shades of Juarez) have been found kidnapped amd murdered in a mass grave here. Off and on illegals (shades of Mexico) acquire police I.D. and a red police flasher and stop cars with the intent to rape and/or rob. Home invasion and kidnapping are an industry in Arizona. Of course the color of my skin and my concern about this reality makes me a racist.

  Mr. Scheer has no dog in the fight. Just another corporate spinner to create emotional kneejerk for distraction while corporate massa does business as usual. Either enforce immigration law or multiply F.Shahzad by thousands. NO AMNESTY EVER!! ENCORCE IMMIGRATION LAW NOW!!

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By markus, May 6, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment
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Please show respect for the people who gave their lives for this country and spell
America correctly!  Many of these comments have misspelled on purpose.  I can
tell you never served this great nation as a soldier.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 6, 2010 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

omop, May 6 at 10:07 am #

That Beck man. What an intellect. Since he has it right he should be asked what
is the difference between THIS AMERICAN CITIZEN and say, Timothy McVey
and/or Jonathan Pollard?

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In terms of treason, all three are the same. In terms of terrorism, Pollard does not qualify—he is guilty of espionage, a different federal felony.

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By Steven, May 6, 2010 at 6:45 am Link to this comment
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Inherit the Wind,

You failed to acknowledge that this paranoia cuts both ways.  Jewish law
maintains that if you were born Jewish you remain Jewish till the end regardless of
any choice made to convert to another religion.  Many Jews put their religion
ahead of their country, many more than one might think.  Over the years, Jewish
arrogance has certainly not helped with their perception throughout the world. 
Just recently I have read articles in mainstream media of Jewish superior
intelligence and disproportionate contribution to the well being of the world. 
Humility seems to be lacking.

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By jonathonk99, May 6, 2010 at 6:35 am Link to this comment

Oh, God!  More of the New York Mayor and every other yankee pundit in line
yapping about how this man was “jealous” of our freedoms!  Can someone please
explain to me how a U.S. citizen can be jealous of his own freedoms.  Do these
people even think before they speak? 

The “jealousy”  propaganda to explain the phenomenon of terrorism just doesn’t
fly.  Especially when you’re talking about United States citizens.  One could say the
same about the 9/11 bombers, of course, because they too were US citizens.  How
could they have been jealous of their own freedoms?  Hmm.. doesn’t seem to
make any sense.

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By omop, May 6, 2010 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

That Beck man. What an intellect. Since he has it right he should be asked what
is the difference between THIS AMERICAN CITIZEN and say, Timothy McVey
and/or Jonathan Pollard?

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By dihey, May 6, 2010 at 5:39 am Link to this comment

It is well established that history ignores “what if”.

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By Mike789, May 6, 2010 at 5:20 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous - Solid post. I’d be impressed with an actual charge of treason. The perpetrator has affluent roots and will get a well connected lawyer. He’ll do time.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 6, 2010 at 4:54 am Link to this comment

Anyone surprised by Beck’s attitude on this subject have obviously never taken the time to actually listen.  It’s likely that those who are surprised have only listened to others describe Beck’s positions. - Listening to the likes of Olbermann on what Beck opines is not a recipe for staying “informed”.

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While Beck is, at times, overly emotional he did predict the crash of the economy a full 18 months prior.  He get’s much credit for that informed prediction.

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People have every right to listen to Olbermann. I too tune into his odd and myopic little world.  I have concluded, however, that the man can’t seem to predict what he’ll say over the course of the following five minutes….LOL.  Olbermann very rapidly changes his opinions.  It seems his opinions change depending on who he’s talking to or about.

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By Shenonymous, May 6, 2010 at 4:41 am Link to this comment

Bravo, garth.  Exactly my sentiments.  The What if’s are like living in “a
city of fantasy, as Dostoyevsky once said.

“Mankind cannot bear too much reality,” (Freud).  Wishes, or desires,
are “father to the thought,” and when people cannot appease their
fervor, ah yes, that old Freudian bugagoo, satisfy their libido, by
controlling reality, they engage in wishful thinking.  There are two
ways to go:  one is to engage in sound reasoning about reality, the
other is to transport the mind to neverneverland, then wax unendingly
about “what would be” the case.  The latter is often called wishful
thinking, which is a tendency to think that the world is the way we wish
it to be, or can become without having to consider what is reaslly
relevant and very often the inability to laboriously take into custody the
thinking mind.  In other words, control fruitless thought.

One fact that is being overlooked, Faisal Shahzad took pains to become
a US citizen and therefore is subject to the laws of the land. 

The constitution of the United States Article 3,  Section 3 declares that
“treason against the United States shall consist only in levying war
against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and
comfort.  While this cannot be regarded as a definition of treason as it
is a limitation of it, and as well a declaration of what portion of the
breaches which had been at different times included within the
meaning of treason, it should be regarded as included within the law.

In giving due thought to the crime of treason in the United States, it
must be remembered that there may be treason against the United
States, and also treason against any one of the sovereign states.

The act of congress of 1790, chap. 36, sec. 1, as it was effected
explicitly said, “that if any person or persons owing allegiance to the
United States of America shall levy war against them, or shall adhere to
their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States
or elsewhere, and shall be thereof convicted, on confession in
open court, or on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act
of the treason whereof he or they shall stand indicted, such person or
persons shall stand adjudged guilty of treason against the United
States, and shall suffer death.” My italics to emphasize the point.

The question must be asked, what does it mean to levy war against the
United States, within the meaning of the statute?

In the first place,  levying war must be actual; it must be carried out
into some practical operation and effect. Intention or thoroughness of
preparation or of conspiracy for war, constitutes the crime of treason
until the war actually begins. (The US is at war with the al Qaeda and
their affiliates.)  Some kind of force or violence, it is said, must be
used.  But it would seem that this force may be what the law would call
constructive force; and it may be very flimsy; for it most certainly
need not be sufficient to accomplish either the general purpose of the
war, or the particular effect proposed, wherein untold number of
persons would be killed. But, if there be any overt act of war, then
every one aiding and abetting this act of war, however remotely,
does himself levy war and commit treason.

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Peter Knopfler, May 5 at 10:08 pm #

Fox owned by Murdoch, who is not American and Glen Hannity all the boys and girls drink kool-aid with Murdoch and his puppets and puppeteers. Only money, follow the money Murdoch does the same in Italia, He is not Italian or American, He is an Ausse Jew, with loads of money, so who the heck is beck, Thanks, by the way I am an old Jew from the 1940`s, it takes one to know one. So lets not be fooled and think FOX is patriotic Americans no no they bow to the money, which only has One world order, thanks
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1) Rupert Murdoch is an American, now.  He is a legally nationalized citizen. He is NOT Australian, although he is Australian by birth and was Australian.

2) Rupert Murdoch is NOT Jewish. He mother’s mother was Jewish, which,  under Jewish law makes him a Jew, but there is NO evidence that he is anything but a Christian.

People here argue that Judaism is a religion, and Jews are therefore not a people, but then they turn around and say Murdoch is a Jew despite his choices and how he was raised.  They say the same about John Kerry, too.  So…is someone only a Jew against his choice when you want to “dis” him but NOT a Jew when it comes to having a homeland for the Jewish people?

Some things never change.  To the non-Jewish world, a Jew is a Jew, part of the Jewish people regardless of the religion he practices or doesn’t practice. 

Until they attack the existence of Israel, the homeland of that people.  Then being a Jew is just a religion and not a people.

And you wonder about Jewish Paranoia?

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By firefly, May 5 at 1:41 pm #

“I wonder who coined the term illegal immigrant and when exactly in America’s immigrant history did that start. After all, with the exception of Native Americans (and possibly slavery), every single American today is born of an immigrant ancestor.
It’s a stupid concept”

It is not a stupid concept.  Immigrants have come to America seeking opportunity.  They were willing to follow the laws and work hard to live their dream.  America thrives on these people. 

The difference is, they followed the laws.  The very fact that so many of the immigrants from Mexico and South America do not follow the laws of immigration, shows a disrespect, on their part, for the country which they come to seeking opportunity. 

America’s immigration laws are liberal compared to almost all other countries.  Why shouldn’t they be followed?  Is the law something to be ignored when it is unpopular or inconvenient?  What do I owe someone who chooses to ignore the laws of the nation? 

It would be much easier to have compassion on Mexican immigrants if they respected the US, quit calling officials Nazi’s and distanced themselves from the outrageously large number of criminals crossing the border simply to carry out their drug trafficing and other crimes. 

What is there about following the law that people do not understand?  If you are not willing to do that, why should anyone support you.  Why should I support your cause, when you hate and disrespect me for requiring law and order? 

Those who demonstrate for their rights, without first addressing their responsibility and rule of law, are totally mistaken.  Without responsibility and rule of law, there are no rights.  In every example, as law and order breaks down, rights disappear. 

Do I need to list all the examples of rights being abridged because of the acts of criminals?  It is what law-abiding citizens put up with because of all those who refuse to follow the law.  I have decided to carry a concealed weapon and install a very expensive alarm system in my house due to the acts of criminals.  This is an abridgement of my rights to spend that money on something more pleasing. 

I have absolutely no respect for any any person or group who puts their personal rights above the law and personal responsibility.

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By Grappa, May 5, 2010 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment
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Beck wouldn’t have made such a statement if he didn’t think it would be benifiscial to his ratings. Everything those talking heads discuss is based on ratings. Never let the truth get in the way of an emotionally charged story. Stimulating the senses is what sells commercial time on the idiot tube, and radio.

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By Marshall, May 5, 2010 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

By Ed Harges, May 5 at 6:49 am #
By James Anderson Merritt, May 5 at 1:32 pm #

You’re both wrong.  The constitution is defined not just by the original
document and its amendments, but by the court rulings which interpret it.

The law clearly establishes Unlawful Combatant status for those that qualify
and they are absolutely *not* entitled to the same constitutional rights
afforded US citizens.  Geneva Convention rights would not even apply in such a
case (as they would to Lawful Combatants), hence our right to subject AQ
operatives to military rather than civilian courts and without mirandizing.

Beck is correct that in this case, the defendant is naturalized and thus subject
to the same constitutional rights as any citizen, but this would not be the case
had he been a Pakistani national.  This is pretty clear cut.

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Peter Knopfler, May 5 at 10:08 pm #

“Fox owned by Murdoch, who is not American “

Actually, Murdoch is an American Citizen. He became one when it was convenient commercially.

BTW How many people know that one of the ways that you automatically renounce US Citizenship it to enroll in the military of another country, with one exception: Israel.

Shock, Yes?

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By Peter Knopfler, May 5, 2010 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment

Fox owned by Murdoch, who is not American and Glen Hannity all the boys and girls drink kool-aid with Murdoch and his puppets and puppeteers. Only money, follow the money Murdoch does the same in Italia, He is not Italian or American, He is an Ausse Jew, with loads of money, so who the heck is beck, Thanks, by the way I am an old Jew from the 1940`s, it takes one to know one. So lets not be fooled and think FOX is patriotic Americans no no they bow to the money, which only has One world order, thanks

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Anarcissie, May 5 at 3:16 pm #

No doubt carrying on about Zionist cabals and 9/11 plots is even more entertaining than tearing one’s hair and rending one’s garments, but it’s not going to do anything about the endless wars.  Doing something means creating a broad, explicit anti-war and anti-imperialism front which will embarrass the Democrats and Obama enough to cause them to start backing off.

9/11 truthing and anti-Zionism are not going to accomplish this.  But suit yourselves.
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Well put!

BTW, I expect Beck to issue an apology any day now absurdly asserting that someone arrested actually has…..RIGHTS!  He must have been drunk or on drugs to say that.

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By Peter Knopfler, May 5, 2010 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment
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Hi, Sorry “Who the heck is Glen Beck but A puppet of His owner Murdoch who is not American and cares little^, but for the money, Like others Becks nose grows daily and Murdochs money puppet laughs all the way to the bank, Fox is foreighn Owned who care little for America, Murdoch does the same in Italia, therefore Glen beck is not even as good as an ice cold beer, becks beer without the glen. Thanks Its like buying an American Flag and you look closely the flag is made in China, think about it.

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By FRTothus, May 5, 2010 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

I realize that the official narrative of foreign
hijackers, absent of proof as it is, is still
nonetheless the accepted version.  Because that
massive lie is holy secular religious writ, and
though we will set it aside for the time-being, we
ignore the massive US role in support for and
practice of terrorism, both domestic and
international at our peril.  As G. Anderson points
out (edited), “the plutocracy [one-tenth of] 1% of
the population] fears the power of the people in this
country just as much as it [grand-stands on the
issue] of [foreign and red-white-and-blue]
terrorists”.  True enough, in this country as
elsewhere.  Official, wholesale crimes of (the
corporate) State are ignored, those responsible
excused, while those that take place without the
benefit of official sanction are prosecuted most
acutely and with much fanfare.  However, the issue
that continually is obscured by the selective-
morality police with regard to the “immigration
issue” is one of the lack of well-paying jobs for all
but a very few, and the avoidance of responsibility
ensured by those on the payroll of the guilty
parties, who are all, namely, Members and boosters
for the Chamber of Commerce and their scribes, so it
should come as no surprise that the “news” the truth
are at cross-purposes.  Again, with regard to the
outrage-du jour, were there plenty of well-paying
jobs available, there would be little protest over
the hiring of the odd gardener or housekeeper, but
the purposeful denuding by the immortal corporate
psychopaths, so well-protected by wealthy legislator-
plutocrats who make up the Congress of the State of
Arizona, as well as the US Congress, continues to go
unmentioned and unaddressed.  As usual in the Bully
State, the victims are prosecuted, while those
DIRECTLY responsible are perpetually excused, bailed-
out, coddled and protected.  We point at the poor,
the victims of an exploitive system who wish for no
more than to earn a living and raise their families. 
Instead of demanding fair play, we blame the poor,
and punish them at every opportunity.  Holding
themselves above others, commentators and politicians
on all sides gleefully join the witch-burning,
applauding those who set the pyre alight, repeating
official lies and all the various and sundry myths
that distill to one resounding theme:  find a
plausible reason for continued selfishness and
privilege. 

Tip of the hat to Ed Harges and James Anderson
Merritt (and raquer) for reminding us of that
Supreme, yet ignored, Law of the Land called the US
Constitution.  Expecting the Department of Justice or
this (or any) Administration to pursue the larger
crimes of the undoing of that Law, refusing to
prosecute those US officials, past and present,
responsible, is about as silly as expecting the US
Congress to restore the Bill of Rights, or obey the
US Constitution in general.  Such disrespect for the
Law goes back to our very founding, actually (when
the US Congress, despite being STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to
pass laws abridging the First Amendment, did exactly
that in 1789 -the first blatantly scofflaw Congress,
with others to follow), and the willful ignorance and
slavishness in the service to official power, hiding
behind the facade of objectivity, all the while
exhibiting a ubiquitous disrespect for the whole
truth by “journalists” whose salaries and continued
job prospects depend upon them not seeing what they
are paid not to see dates much further back, 
unfortunately.

“Who needs censorship when we have self-censorship.
When news is being withheld, or neutralized, at best,
how can we expect anything but cynicism from those
who read our daily papers? Maybe the reason many
aren’t buying newspapers isn’t that they can get
information for free on the Internet, but because
they don’t believe what they read… and how can
they?”
(Jane Lyn Stahl)

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By amunaor, May 5, 2010 at 2:37 pm Link to this comment

Brrr…errrrrp!!!


“Just look at that pile of dead bastards over there”
WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder
http://wikileaks.org/

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By prole, May 5, 2010 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

Ok, so first it’s Jim Bunning, now it’s Glenn Beck, In Scheer’s surreal political soap operas the heroes and villains are always trading hats. In January, Scheer was telling us in ‘McCain Gets It, Obama Doesn’t’ that, “Maybe I got it wrong. During the presidential campaign I wrote columns blasting Sen. John McCain for siding with the big bankers on deregulation…But now the roles are reversed, and it is McCain who… has sponored a bill to repeal Gramm’s legislation, while Obama seeks to preserve it.” Flash forward and the roles are once again re-reversed and today, “some Republican politicians, led by Sen. John McCain, attempted to turn this into an occasion for attacking civil liberties”. The one constant for Scheer is his unshakable conviction in the two party system, which inevitably always makes one of the two look good at any given moment, simply because the other looks so bad. Scheer has bought into this lesser-of-two evil’s sham democracy, hook, line and sinker. By always playing off one against the other, it let’s the system escape unscathed and gives everyone that participates in it moments to shine, no matter how awful they are at other times. As if their rare more positive lapses make up for all the regular negatives. What is the point of continually extolling Fox News or the Wall St Journal or the Bunniings and Becks for occasional quirky aberrations?  Don’t R. Nader and C. McKinney and D. Ellsberg and others consistently say the same thing, and a lot more, that Beck and Bunning never would? Try comparing their profound words of wisdom on a whole host of subjects to those “from one that many liberals loathe” – not compared “to the advice from a former Democratic Party vice presidential candidate for whom many of us voted.” The rebarbative Lieberman somehow is supposed to make the repellent Beck look good??!! It’s a completely skewed comparison to begin with, unless like Scheer you were ever stupid enough to vote for AIPAC attack-dog Lieberman in the first place. And as if that wasn’t bad enough, Scheer also voted for, oy, Obama!! Some people never learn. So Scheer now can return to the Democratic fold in relief that, “Fortunately, we now have a president and an attorney general who embrace that indelible wisdom in defense of due process at home as well.” Uh, huh….a president and AG that, for openers, embrace Bush’s USA PATRIOT Act; that embrace Bush’s ’08 FISA bill; that embrace Bush’s military tribunals with only cosmetic amendment; that continue to embrace Bush’s Gitmo; that embrace Bush’s extraordinary rendition practices; and that embrace Holder v. Humanitarian Law Project in the Sup. Court. No wonder the belligerent Beck can be so blasé about firecrackers in Times Sq. with so many Bush/Obama un-due processes firmly in place. So, “maybe Scheer got it wrong” - again…yawn. But, at least it’s true that, “Throughout the world, far deadlier threats are an ongoing reality, and yet America has often urged restraint in reaction to such dangers”…not surprisingly, since Amerika is so often the one that is posing those deadlier threats, in the first place. And, Scheer’s new hero Glen Beckk is an ongoing apologist for them!

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By Silas, May 5, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

Glenn Beck’s statements must not be taken at face value. How can you ignore how his pro citizen posturing strengthens his side of the AZ law debate. Citizenship sacred and protected. Non-citizen wicked and deserving of punishment. Lieberman was still way off

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By Putridpundits, May 5, 2010 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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“Compare those profound words of wisdom from one that
many liberals loathe to the advice from a former
Democratic Party vice presidential candidate for whom
many of us voted.”

Your transition paragraph from Beck to Lieberman,
though eloquent, is a little misleading since
Lieberman has shown himself to be far from where he
was during the 2000 campaign.  He spoke at the
Republican Convention in 2008 after all and has been
carrying water for the GOP since Zell Miller retired
from dueling cable news show hosts.

Casting his comments as coming from the left is disingenuous and misleading.

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By Anarcissie, May 5, 2010 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

Heh.  My comment was for another thread, and it wound up in this one—the Glenn Beck thread, that is.  No telling where this one will wind up!!

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By Kwagmyre, May 5, 2010 at 11:25 am Link to this comment
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It’s a heckuva lot more likely the Tea Party concocting a plot like the one that just happened in Times Square than a illegal Mexican doing the same.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, May 5, 2010 at 11:19 am Link to this comment
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The most important point is being overlooked.  The man said that he wanted to do it as revenge for the drone bombings in Pakistan which have killed many civilians.  Obama is putting this country in danger by continuing to bomb civilian targets in the AfPak war.  The attempt was not successful this time, but we can only assume that there are many who want revenge.

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By Anarcissie, May 5, 2010 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

No doubt carrying on about Zionist cabals and 9/11 plots is even more entertaining than tearing one’s hair and rending one’s garments, but it’s not going to do anything about the endless wars.  Doing something means creating a broad, explicit anti-war and anti-imperialism front which will embarrass the Democrats and Obama enough to cause them to start backing off.

9/11 truthing and anti-Zionism are not going to accomplish this.  But suit yourselves.

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By REDHORSE, May 5, 2010 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

Oh yeah, gotta get that kneejerk racecard on the table!!  Gee, what if pigs could fly!? Confused hewsday Sir? Almost a month of liberal snivel and “illegal” is still “illegal” and Phoenix is still number two in the world for kidnappings. (Mexico City is number one.)

  I’m not suprised that some thought the bombing attempt was an American black op. Fear and confusion are the main product and intent of spinmeisters like Beck and Fox. We’d all be singing a different tune if the bomb had exploded. Our T-Shirt salesman would have been red jelly and we’d all be in national lockdown.

  The Washington weasel is a paranoid little creature. He/she should be. It’s gutted America. It passes endless useless laws that attack American freedom and civil rights to protect itsself and spread terror. (25 to life for a victimless crime?? The Patriot Act??)  The Constitution is enough. What part of “—life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness—-” is so hard to understand? Clearly, the common sense moral human values our founding fathers felt we’re alive in the American psyce when they wrote the Constitution are not present in D.C. today. As Jesus said, they choke at a knat and swallow a camel. They are profligate.

  Obama is still my man—but he needs to shape up. I still have a VOTE. We kicked’em in their asses last time. We can do it again.

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By garth, May 5, 2010 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

These kinds of arguments are ridiculous.

“What if Faisal Shahzad, the alleged Times Square car bomber, had turned out to be an illegal immigrant from Mexico?”

He isn’t.

What if wishes were horses would beggars then ride. 

If George W. Bush weren’t an ingnoramus and the son of an amoral I don’t know what and if Barack Obama were the President we thought was elected.

What if the Democratic Congress really stood for something besides who’s funding them. 

And the same for the Republicanarchists. What if they still had some Principle like they did under Eisenhower when they had someone to rein them in?

What if the sky were blue instead of colorless?

This kind of speculation gives a typist something to type about.

THIMK!

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By Yuvid 1, May 5, 2010 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

Every year the Bill of Rights and our Constitution are weakened. Remember the “Patriot Act” now this attempt to remove the Miranda Rights of some people. Little by little, that is how societies lose their freedoms and become fascist. Fascism is where we place the rule by democracy into rule by the few.  That few usually rule by fear and force, not rule of law. The wealthy 1% of the population ruling is a plutocracy, that will come before fascism, if it isn’t here now.

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By billybookworm, May 5, 2010 at 9:58 am Link to this comment
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Beck right? Beck is just off message. To control the population you need to make them believe the threat is from the rights granted by the Constitution not the criminals who try to plant bombs.
The “bomb” would not have blown the windows out of the vehicle it was in. The propane tanks are the modern type, can’t be vented without adapting a device to do so. If they got hot enough they would vent and burn like flares. The plastic gas cans were still capped, they would have melted and the gas simply burned. The fertilizer had no hydrocarbon added and no detonation device, it might have burned, might not have. This guy is either a nut or conducting a probe, I vote for nut.

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By firefly, May 5, 2010 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

BBFmail says, “Illegal is illegal…hardworking or
not!!!!!”

I wonder who coined the term illegal immigrant and when
exactly in America’s immigrant history did that start.
After all, with the exception of Native Americans (and
possibly slavery), every single American today is born
of an immigrant ancestor.

It’s a stupid concept.

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By James Anderson Merritt, May 5, 2010 at 9:32 am Link to this comment
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Harges is right. The point of the Constitution was not to establish or grant citizen rights. It was to respect and secure the rights of citizens and all people by creating a government that was strictly limited to operating within the terms of the document.

For example, the language isn’t, “citizens have rights to free speech, religion, assembly, etc.,” but rather, “Congress shall make no law abridging…” such things. Throughout the Constitution, the people aren’t directly empowered; rather, the government is limited explicitly (and implicitly).

The rules of the Constitution are supposed to restrain the government wherever and whenever it operates, usually regardless of the citizenship status of the person on the receiving end of the “operations.” When people say that the Constitution doesn’t apply to non-citizens, or whenever government conducts business overseas, they are simply wrong. It’s sad that so many such people seem to be running things in government, and sadder still that so many people, who think of themselves as patriots, are happy to go along without taking a close look at the Constitution they claim to respect.

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By canyon critter, May 5, 2010 at 9:31 am Link to this comment
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i know this will not be posted. i lived on the mexican border and if you havent lived there shut up. if you dont know who is coming across the border how do you know they are not dangerous criminals. to say that they are just coming over to work is completely ignorant.  a deputy sheriff was just shot an killed by an illegal immigrant drug dealer who was previously deported this just happened in delta utah. recently in butte montana 2 illegals in a home invasion killed a man. the next day in another home invasion an 11 yr old girl killed one and wounded the other. she was a skeet shooting champ. the largest drug bust in montana history was an illegal who was twice deported for cocain dealing in oregon. what aBOUT THE RIGHTS OF ALL THE americans who have been killed by illegal immigrants. we need are laws and our borders enforced. also the 9-11 terrorists 17 of them where illegaly in the country. look it up.

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By beebus, May 5, 2010 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Glenn Beck may have made that comment today but give him a week; he’ll contradict it.

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By firefly, May 5, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Brilliant piece. It is scary how some individuals
(Leiberman may not have his hands on the driving
wheel of power, but he sure is in the back seat!) are
coming close to a totalitarian state. As an agnostic,
I rarely preach religion, but if there is anything
that Christianity is supposed to have taught the
west, it is compassion, forgiveness, mercy and love.
There doesn’t seem to be much of that in America
anymore. Instead of the ‘turn the other cheek’ and
‘forgive him who trespasses against us’, it has
become much more common to use the old testament’s
‘an eye for an eye’. I wonder why?

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By LRob, May 5, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment
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It’s always amusing to read how delusional people are when getting worked up about self-admitted “political entertainers” such as Glenn Beck.  What you all see is a media personality who’s voice and opinions are permitted for the sole reason of being a firewall.

Hopefully the day soon comes when people start to realize there is not right, left, republican, or democrat.  These organizations are illusions that keep you fighting against each other instead of taking responsibility and solving problems.

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By BBFmail, May 5, 2010 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

The author wrote:

“Imagine the fuel it would have provided to those who are using national security as an excuse for cracking down on hardworking immigrants in Arizona”

Illegal is illegal…hardworking or not!!!!!

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By Dan Merritt, May 5, 2010 at 8:11 am Link to this comment
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flem bleck NEVER gets ANYTHING right. He could cut off his left arm and Still COULDN;T get it RIGHT. He would explain that he had to cut off his left arm because it was too LIBERAL. NEVER under any ciccumstances, EVER, EVER utter that POLITICALLY INCORRECT phrase that flem bleck is right. Being right and flem bleck SHOULD NEVER, EVER be in the same sentence. flem bleck is a NAZI, pure and simple. The fox ( not news ) channel should be known as the f___ OBAMA channel, with all their lies, racism and hatred it would be more truthful than their preposterous ” fair and balanced ” bold faced lies ! NEVER give anyone at fox any credit at all. They are Pathological LIARS that need not be encouraged in any way shape or form. Thank-you for trying to make sense out of the insane. flem is insane, I hate his c___ guts !

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By The Old Hooligan, May 5, 2010 at 8:10 am Link to this comment

Even though Glenn Beck is a Republican and I’m a Democrat, there’s a chance we can still be friends.

I’ll hug his Elephant, and he can kiss my Ass!

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By OldUncleDave, May 5, 2010 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

There is no way that device could have been capable of “destroying nearby structures.”  It could have broken some nearby windows, though.

Re Oklahoma City, check this out.
http://www.parascope.com/articles/0697/30quest.htm

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