David J. Cyr: “Jared Lee Loughner’s behavior was modeled after that of this nation that he resides in — a nation that regularly casually, calmly and cold-bloodedly unleashes battalions of heavily armed psychopaths and sophisticated robotic weaponry upon people who have done no harm to it.”

I don’t think one can sum it up any better than that.

This sordid event reminds me of similar sordid events
over the years.  The triangulated shots that murdered
Pres. John F. Kennedy, the fraudulent set-up of Lee
Harvey Oswald by his CIA controller, the single shot
fired into Oswald´s gut by the mafia figure, Jacob
Rubenstein (Jack Ruby), whose brain cancer (injection
?) killed him before his second trial.  Sirhan
Sirhan, convicted of murdering Bobby Kennedy Senior.
Then there is John Henkley and Pres. Reagan, etc. The
U.S. Army Major Nidal Hasan (Islamic) carried out
another well-planned episode November 5, 2009, the
shootings on Fort Hood.

Now, Gabrielle Giffords, Congressperson from Arizona,
beloved Jewish lady, loved for her objectivity, who
did not play party-politics. Was she the primary, and
the judge a secondary target?  Or was her intended
murder a simple removal action, clearing the way for
a NAZI-type? (Arizona is a scapegoat of the US
administration, due to its enforcement of immigration
laws.) In such assassinations, all the other innocent
victims are murdered as distractions from the target(s)
and to amplify the mental derangement of the trigger-
puller, setting up a court defense.

Amazing how the politically-associated murders and
attempted murders are done by “loners” with mental
problems. Also amazing, how news of their mental
depravity is revealed as though a pre-release were on
hand.  The “loner profile” is interesting, and the
CIA uses some of the characteristics to select new
agents. However, none of the “lone” assassins are
serial killers, only persons selected by MKUltra-
types for the specific “hit”. JFKSr was murdered by
three, mafia-hired, professional hit men. One of whom
more recently confessed, in detail. The profile of
serial murderers is found in the stories about Robert
Hansen, Alaskan serial killer.  Which profile fits a
large percentage of CIA operatives, Blackwater/Ex-
types, and mafia hit-men.  In political
assassinations, one, lone “demented” only pulls the
trigger. CIA-types have done all the planning, and
select the “one, lone demented.”

QUOTE (the ever (D)evious Dionne quoting Giffords):

“In an interview last March, the Arizona Democrat anticipated almost everything being said now and explained why what happened on Saturday is a violation of our national self-image as ‘a beacon.’ Our pride, she said, is that ‘we effect change at the ballot box’ and not through ‘outbursts of violence.’”
____________

Really?

So America is a “beacon” of democracy rightfully proud of fabricating a “national self-image” of itself not engaging in “outbursts of violence”?

Donkey shit!

Jared Lee Loughner’s behavior was modeled after that of this nation that he resides in — a nation that regularly casually, calmly and cold-bloodedly unleashes battalions of heavily armed psychopaths and sophisticated robotic weaponry upon people who have done no harm to it.

The America that liberals and conservatives proudly serve views the rest of the world as being target-rich.

Don’t allow a few individuals here to lie with impunity.  Don’t allow haters to get away with suggesting violence only comes from one side of politics.  Only small-minded bigots believe in such nonsense.

A WHOLE NEW BALLGAME

I worked for an IT multinational company. I recall vividly a VP of Sales & Marketing getting very hot under the collar and evoking images of the “war” we were having with our principal competitor. According to him we had to be “aggressive”, “take the high ground”, “martial our service functions” ... etc., etc. etc. - ad nauseam.

I turned to a colleague and asked him why all the War Rhetoric (yes, I used that word). My colleague answered with three words, “His stock-options”.

Giffords was right about words and how you use them. If you want to show aggression, there is no better non-lethal weapon than words. If you want to show care and concern, the words and touching would do one better. (At least in Europe, where touching is not considered an Evil Act.)

Of course, Giffords’ sentiments are that of a female, for whom personal aggression is not the hottest of hot-spots. Which is why I tell fellow males, “Be careful of what you say —it can and will come back upon you like a boomerang”.

Women are getting the top jobs not as much because they know how to talk the talk, but because they know how to listen and understand. I saw this years ago in the IT industry, which was one of the first to open up to female employment. And they’ve come a lot farther since in their careers than any male I know.

Careers are a whole new ballgame. So, guys, enough of the spiteful hate. Enough of the Pathetic Palooka Posturing. It’s been overdone and is really quite boring.

Even Bruce Willis has lost count of how many times he’s saved the world. And Hilary Clinton could well be the US’s first female president ... and sooner than you think.

POST SCRIPTUM

Would there be a lot fewer wars if men carried a child in their belly for nine months ... then gave painful birth to it?

There is a crisis of conscience in the US. What’s got the right especially attentive is that the assasination attempt of the Dem fulfills in reality what has filled the fantasies expressed in so many documented statements by the right and extreme right.
The guilt is palpable.

I’m not sure your question will ever have a definite answer. But I do think the shooting of congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was an unfortunate event and I wish her well.
http://riyawrinklefree.com

Vetting:

Good work.  I found the same.  Palin is retarded but she knows her words are
watched too closely to get away with something like that.

RE: By Devon J. Noll, MPA, January 10 at 4:26 pm

I remember the 60s.  I remember that the Black Panthers and the SDS were
violent criminals who thought they were fighting for a better country from the
Left.

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mostly propaganda - most serious violence was
perpetrated by agents provocateurs

e.g.

Domestic Terrorism: Notes on the State System of Oppression
Noam Chomsky
New Political Science, Volume 21, Number 3 (September, 1999), pp. 303-324

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199909—.htm

[...]
The Pike Committee Report cites other examples illustrating FBI programs
concerning black groups.
[...]

During these years, FBI provocateurs repeatedly urged and initiated violent acts,
including forceful disruption of meetings and demonstrations on and off
university campuses, attacks on police, bombings, and so on. Meanwhile,
government agencies financed, helped organize, and supplied arms to right-
wing terrorist groups that carried out fire-bombings, burglaries, and shootings,
all with the knowledge of the government agencies responsible 12—in most
cases the FBI, although one right-wing terrorist in Chicago claims that his
group was financed and directed in part by the CIA. 13 One FBI provocateur
resigned when he was asked to arrange the bombing of a bridge in such a way
that the person who placed the booby-trapped bomb would be killed. This was
in Seattle, where it was revealed that FBI infiltrators had been engaged in a
campaign of arson, terrorism, and bombings of university and civic buildings,
and where the FBI arranged a robbery, entrapping a young black man who was
paid $75 for the job and killed in a police ambush. 14 In another case, an
undercover operative who had formed and headed a pro-Communist Chinese
organization “at the direction of the bureau” reports that at the Miami
Republican convention he incited “people to turn over one of the buses and
then told them that if they really wanted to blow the bus up, to stick a rag in
the gas tank and light it” (they were unable to overturn the vehicle). The same
ex-operative contends that Cointelpro-type operations, allegedly suspended in
April 1971, were in fact continuing as late as mid-1974, when he left the
Bureau’s employ. 15
[...]

- tactics with a long history, curiously forgotten and/or overlooked - still
going on…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyu6CPlEx0Q

“(S)ince President Barack Obama’s election, it is incontestable that significant parts of the American ‘far right’ have adopted a language of revolutionary violence in the name of overthrowing ‘tyranny.’”

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Absolutely correct. 

I wish Mr. Dionne had been saying and writing those same sentiments over the past decade.  In the past decade he was writing and talking about incendiary speech as a sign of obvious discontent.  Today he appears outraged.

An entire book and an entire feature film was produced depicting President Bush’s assassination.  Only today does Mr. Dionne appear outraged.

I am as outraged now by the political discourse as I have been since the early 1990’s.  No matter what Mr. Dionnes friends in Washington say on the subject.

Thanks for a lot of good comments.  Maybe now it is becoming clear to Americans in general that fear breeds violence and violence breeds fear, and you can’t use fear to control people withoug creating violence, and you can’t use violence to control people without creating more fear and more violence.

The popular culture has excelled in emptying words of distinct meaning - like hate - ‘Don’t be a hater’ - means don’t criticize me. It means very little like the actual definition of hatred as something mean, intending harm. It’s a kind of politically correct whining.
There is no comparison between even the extreme leftist criticism of the hawkish corporate policies of the right and the said callous policies not to mention the uncompromising violent methodologies recommended by them.

Aaron Ortiz is correct the hate started over a decade ago and expounded on by
no less than the Secretary of State of the USA.

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million
children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you
know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the
price—WE think the price is worth it.

—60 Minutes (5/12/96)

I will say something unpopular with the hope that people will think about it:

The hate didn’t start when Obama became president…remember Bush?

Not that he would say it is, but E.J.Dionne sort of leaves this Old Indian wondering whether it might be “cute or amusing” to put Afghan wedding parties literally in the “cross-hairs” of missile-firing “Drone” aircraft.  What is it, entertainment value-wise, to put entire nations and Peoples in the cross-hairs of the anglomericanempire’s military-industrial juggernaut?

The weekend carnage in Tuscon is terrible for those immediately involved.  Hard not to at-least suspect, though, that it’s only a little of what theaericanpeople cavalierly do CONstantly to ‘others’ blowing-up in their own faces….gain.

The orgy of pundit pontification erupting from the Tucson tragedy, and its compulsively “self”-referential CONtent, offer only more evidence of the deep-seated sickness in which the inmates of the allamerican ward of the “global” booby-hatch languish and groan.

HokaHey!

“In the late 1960s, violent talk (and sometimes violence itself) was more common on the far left.”
where does this statistic come from? Let’s not confuse violence of protest against violence with the ooppressive violence itself.

“In the late 1960s, violent talk (and sometimes violence itself) was more common on the far left.”

But they didn’t kill anyone, E.J. And they weren’t being egged on by Democratic Congresspersons. Enough with the false equivalencies.

hello. the status of politicians (and especially the
lowlife swamp scum) signing unread laws above the
will of the people, at the lowest public approval
rating in the history of special interest lobbying:
lowered itself to enemy of the people, and blatantly
paraded its totalitarian authority over Main Street
(while bedding Wall Street)- has itself fallen to a
disrespectful barreled cesspool of rotten apples,
with a few good apples struggling in their midst to
remain incorruptible…it is only because the
environment they themselves have embraced that a
nutjob would ever have them as a prospective target
on their radar- and politicians have serious house
cleaning to do. let us pray the slaughter is ended.

Thank you, Natalia, except it’s a little different to engage in violence when your country has been invaded and to engage in violence in invading someone else’s country.

There was plenty of governmental and nongovernmental right-wing violence in 1960s America, or have people completely forgotten the racist violence in the South and the North? The government had no problem in murdering Black Panthers in their beds or killing students at Jackson State and Kent State. And nongovernmental violence spanned the gamut from outright murder to civilians beating up black people in northern cities. I guess it really is the United States of Amnesia, and if you choose to indulge you get the privilege of a column.

Sciencehighway:
You state the blindingly obvious.  It’s because so many Americans are metaphysically blind because they refuse to see what is, after all, blindingly obvious.

thethirdman
Try this:http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2011/1/9/934725/-.html

Quote: Liberals were rightly pressed in the 1960s to condemn violence on the left.

That resulted in Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and the Kennedys shot?

Regarding the congressperson’s shooting,I think we
can all agree that Sarah Palin,  Rupert Murdoch,
Roger Ailes, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly, Mitch
McConnell, John Boehner, Eric Cantor, Peter King,
Larry Summers, Tim Geithner, perhaps even Obama, Wall
Street and other conservatives are doing the “Happy
Dance Circle Jerk” over this, eh?
When the Barlow strikers threatened the plutocrat, he
had them shot. Homestead, Haymarket, Joe Hill,
Malcolm, Martin. The rich know how to get it done,
and the rest of us grab our ankles.

I apologize in advance for any 2nd Amendment fury this observation may generate, but there’s an aspect to this horrible event I haven’t seen mentioned yet. Perhaps it’s only obvious from this Canadian’s perspective, but unlike so much of the over-the-top rhetoric out there (including the utterly culpable comments from Palin, Angel and others), this seems to me to be less a grotesque partisan overreaction than a clear case of what happens when psychotic citizens have such easy access to firearms.

Scroll through the article at the link below and look at the number of public officials, Congress people, people running for Congress, etc., who have made vile statements comparable to those by people who actually committed a crime apparently based on comments like these.  Oddly enough Sarah Palin is not included in this vile list even though she has repeatedly made comments like this & posted them on web sites,Facebook, etc.


http://www.csgv.org/issues-and-campaigns/guns-democracy-and-freedom/insurrection-timeline

RayLan:

Where did you get the Sarah Palin quote from?

The nation has been captivated by these tragic shootings for days.. surely it’s all terrible! . and the outpouring of grief over the meaningless killing of that nice little girl.. all of it and more deserved! I’m reminded once again of how decent people can be..

Now, it’s normal for us all to be more concerned or especially concerned about people and kids in our neighborhoods.. And that includes kids and folks in the news from anywhere in our larger, national community. How much more concerned? In other words one of our own kids is worth what? .. maybe twice as much as a child somewhere overseas or in another country? This is an important equation or value system that needs resolving..

Because even if one of our bright young people is worth ten times (in the public mind) what we value a schoolgirl or another similar child in a far away place.. there’s more than enough of them dying from our direct actions as a nation.. In drone attacks, collateral-damage incidents, mistakes and more for every person in America without a black soul to say enough!

If our best national product is hope.. let’s export that, not Hellfire missles.

Adios!

For instance.
Sharon Angle of Arizona -

Manders: If we needed it at any time in history, it might be right now.

Angle: Well it’s to defend ourselves. And you know, I’m hoping that we’re not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.

Sarah Palin -

<blockquote>It is apparent that it will take a few assassinations to stop
Obamacare. Militia central has selected you for assassination. If we
cannot stalk and find you in Washington, D.C., we will get you in
Little Rock.<blockQuote>

This is a small sample from a wealth of such incendiary rhetoric. It’s not just an attack on opposite ideology. It’s not just strong disagreement which get conflated with hatred. It suggests a violent solution.
There are a lot more.

Regardless of the causal link between the Gifford assault and political rhetoric, it is not the case that leftist politics are essentially hawkish and favor visceral irrational violence against government figures. Of course in practice they have been guilty of a violence incited by oppression and abuse, but that is not the rhetoric. I would like somebody to try and prove that.
It just isn’t as simple as equalizing blame as a form of fairness. To oppose and criticize a political proponent is not hatred. To indulge in ‘ad hominem’ and characterize the opposition as worthy of violence is another matter.

RE: ...Liberals were rightly pressed in the 1960s to condemn violence on the left…

Since most of it was from agent provocateurs, the angle in which it was condemned
should be noted. Is Jared Lee Loughner a ‘rich asset’ provocateur? Hard to say. If or if not,
he’s certainly provoked a huge bruha.

In this political climate, makes no difference from what stripe the violence emerges. It will
provoke aggressive factional reactions - always good for the hegemonic global investor class.

Distracts from the drone attacks, DU nightmare, scheduled failing of 3rd-world nation
states… i.e. the globalist agenda — overarching plan: chaos para todos
— on our knees, begging for ‘protection’!

As the fascist police state the USA has become drives increasing numbers of Americans to attempt to escape to other countries, the Obama administration is clearly laying the executive order groundwork to prevent anyone from leaving with their life savings. Judge Roll made the mistake of ruling the wrong way on this, and was dead within 72 hours?

Now you are beginning to know what it felt like to be trying to escape Nazi Germany in the 30’s, and why so many people got caught on the wrong side of the German border when the final lockdown came. I met a local landlord once whose parents had escaped Germany with the clothes on their backs and a few diamonds sewn into the hem of his mother’s dress.

Time for every judge in the US to find their backbone and remember that this is supposed to be the “land of the free and home of the brave”. The battle has been joined. Judge Roll has been martyred.

If the sheriff is telling the truth about the scenario,which I doubt since the Feds are in control and this is a set-up to be covered up; the sheriff said the Judge being there was not planned. Judge Roll went on the spur of the moment to say hi after leaving Mass, says the sheriff. If Giffords was shot in the back of the head couldn’t that mean that the real shooter was behind her, not in front of her? The officials would know that, if so. But the patsy has been chosen. The current news is that the sheriff is saying now it was just one shooter. Columbine agenda again—the sheriff is bought out/and or threatened to keep quiet. Seems to work every time.

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We put ourselves above the animals, we who are just animals, but the most vicious of the lot. We not only slaughter each other, but slaughter our other animal relations just for fun. We are not so-called CIVILISED. The word civilised also equates to that other crap word DEMOCRACY both fostered on us by the ELITE kidding us into believing we have rights and so-called laws to protect us. How often do you see an animal destroy its shelter or environment just for fun. Our young animals wander around at night wrecking anything they can lay their hands on!!

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SteveL:
It’s already been posted here on TD…yeah, for real.

I hope no one else needs to die before everyone in the US realizes that the enemy is not sitting across the aisle in congress. The enemy is hatred, intolerance, selfishness, if you
permit me a religious word: “sin”.

I have watched with increasing dismay the hatred flung left and right in the US media. An unbalanced man was inspired to violence by a harmless Beatles song…how much more could
people like him be inspired to violence from people flinging hatred constantly on every medium?!

Wait for it!  Some a-hole from the NRA will soon come on the TV and say everyone at the AZ shooting should have been armed.

G.Anderson - I’m afraid that the FOX Propaganda Network and all of the talk-show idiots along with the regular Incompetent Media will make plenty of political points about this incident. This is what people in power do during times like this and the public (the dumb fucking majority of Americans) eat it up. Remember 9/11? Americans haven’t been able to convince themselves that the (incredibly political)response by GWB was nothing less that the biggest power grab in modern history. Why should this be any different?

I sincerely hope that, so called journalists, like EJ. Will refrain from making political
points, about this shooting. It’s in very poor taste.

“We have to work out our problems by negotiating, working together, hopefully Democrats and Republicans.”

Sounds good. I have always leaned toward nonpartisanship, and the importance of differing points of view on the ways to meet a common objective.
But the right in this country 30 years ago abandoned the common objective for one of their own, and with it civil political discourse for (mostly) verbal warfare.
For these people to call themselves “conservative” is an insult to the true conservatives who went before. These people are attacking the nation on two fronts: They want to create a theocratic police state, backed by a million-strong security force (already in place) and they are well along in the process of stripping the middle and working classes of their assets and distributing them among the very wealthy.
They want to turn the country into something akin to Guatemala.
How can people of good faith “negotiate and work together” with people who are working for the opposite outcome as themselves?