The health bill may have been signed, but the challenge is to implement and for it to be supported. One senses that this health care system will fail due to the lack of contribution and overall willingness by American public to achieve the social health system favored by some countried.

I always thought Nader was a little ‘tetched’ in spite of his many years of serving us without getting filthy rich himself.

WRONG.
He was right all along.

There is NO significant difference between today’s Democrats and yesterday’s RepubeCons. Everyone is on the take (except a small handful). They all do it for money (remember what that is called, and that it is only legal in Nevada) and they worry only about themselves.

Our illustrious president is every bit the NeoCon that Clinton (he) was or (she) is. This may be a post racial state of events momentarily, because if his being a minority gives him any special awareness or sense of duty, he is not letting it affect his job performance. He missed a VERY important milestone when he failed to fire ALL the US Attorneys on the day he was sworn in (twice). The whole lot of them were (arguably) circumstantially complicit in political prosecutions, and were at the very least guilty societally of being supporters of the RepubeCon war criminals now hiding successfully behind our President’s wide robes of office.

CLEARLY WE SHALL HAVE NO ATONEMENT for killing our brothers, children, cousins, friends, fathers and mothers along with hundreds of times more innocent peasants, farmers and townspeople throughout the mid East, for CORPORATE PROFIT. There was no terrorist threat in Iraq, and but a tiny group of barely literate fanatics in Afghanistan. They are not really a threat to America, are they? In any case, the opium growers are not targeted, are they? Their friends and brothers are the government of friendly Afghanistan.

CLEARLY WE SHALL HAVE NO ATONEMENT for lying us into illegal wars, for war crimes in our name, for supporting opium growers in our name, for torturing in our name, for rendition in our name, for stealing in our name and from our own pockets, for imprisonment without trial in our name, for wire tapping US IN OUR OWN name. All of it IN OUR NAME. In your name, too.

CLEARLY WE SHALL HAVE NO ATONEMENT, but even worse, this administration, this golden throated “Democrat(ic)” president, is providing de facto protection for our former White House employees. This is complicity in war crimes. Beyond the unimaginable stupidity of rewarding bankers for stealing from Americans (among other stupidities), this government is actively avoiding the investigation of obvious war crimes.

CLEARLY WE SHALL HAVE NO ATONEMENT, but worse, we shall apparently have NO END to the commission of crimes, by this very adminstration, in OUR NAME.
Has the domestic spying stopped?
Have the political prosecutions stopped on our soil?
Has the rendition stopped?
Have all the Gitmo “detainees” been presented in court?
Have thieving bankers been penalized?
Have the bombing runs against wedding parties stopped in Iraq?
Have the unmanned drones been grounded?
Have the opium growers been caught, or even threatened?
Has the torture IN OUR NAME stopped?
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Who do you want to speak for you?
Democrats, Republicans, Bankers, Industrialists, Investors, Aristocrats, another Bushbaby, Obamatwin, WHO?

If one watches the talking faces from Congress, they seem to be Clones especially when listening to comments coming from the Republican side.  Though I believe the differences are only superficial or promoted for effect of illusion.

One comment they all seem to say in unison is we know what the American public wants? Now what this really seems to be saying is Congress, really know what the American and non American Lobbyist wants, for this now pulicly means, the real people is the Worlds Corporations.

So, when one hears a talking face from Congress say they know what the people want, one should ask which people?

anaman51, February 10 at 4:29 pm #

Since the first day of the Obama administration, Republican Machine members have stolidly stood in the way of every single issue brought about by the Dems, regardless of its merit. Their game plan is to stultify Congress, to bring all work to a halt, and then blame it on Democratic incompetence
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Perhaps so ,but so what? The GOP, under Bush, never held more than 54 seats in the Senate yet did pretty much what it wanted to, while your Democrats, with a so-called super majority cant do squat.

When will there be health care reform that works for every US citizen? When the sentators & the congressmen pay for their own health care insurance. We cannot afford to take care of their responsibility. The issue of health care will be settled right away.

Since the first day of the Obama administration, Republican Machine members have stolidly stood in the way of every single issue brought about by the Dems, regardless of its merit. Their game plan is to stultify Congress, to bring all work to a halt, and then blame it on Democratic incompetence when it is, in fact, intentional. The only factor that disgusts me more than these quasi-criminal actions by the Republican Machine is the unprecedented stupidity of the voters in not recognizing what’s taking place in front of their eyes. Thieves and liars are running this country, and stupid voters are promoting them. Once again I must reconfigure my estimate of the average American’s intelligence, and the numbers are falling fast.

President Obama thinks that borrowing back a bunch of the US dollars that we paid foreigners to make our imported consumer goods back from China and the other industrial nations, and then using these dollars to pay US medical doctors, nurses, and medical technicians with these borrowed US dollars to provide UNLIMITED FREE MEDICAL CARE FOR ALL US CITIZENS AND MAYBE ALL OF THE ILLEGAL ALIENS was a good idea because future generations will pay for it and not ourselves.

I believe it is simply a FICTION, a blatantly FALSE cultural meme forced upon our people, that there is ANY democracy left in this governmental sytem. The dems were elected, Obushbama himself was elected, because they promised single payor health coverage for everyone. IT IS NOT HAPPENING. WHY NOT. IT WAS A LIE. A LIE. A LIE. A LIE. A LIE. 
Could I be more clear?
And furthermore, they are not now even the slighest bit afraid of losing their jobs because they have given the insurance industry what it wanted. They will get their money, their re-election, their sinecure, their insurance coverage for life, their retirement benefits, their expense accounts, their insider trading benefits, their corporate rewards after leaving office, their wealth, success, health and maybe for most of them their life long happiness. The few, the flawed, the elected.

Dear gstoddard,
My understanding of the issue, and I might be mistaken, is that the senate bill if made into law will force (by penalty levy)30 million americans without health insurance to PAY the FOR PROFIT, STOCKHOLDERS-,PRESIDENTS-,& VICE PRESIDENTS-first-INSURANCE companies for giving them inadequate, cover-some-things, let-a-clerk-decide, die-first-COVERAGE.
How, in the nine circles of hell, is that GOOD?

This health care bill, with all of its imperfections will expand coverage to 30
million uninsured Americans and will help tens of thousands avoid having to file
for bankruptcy because of excessive health care costs. Many thousands more will
be free to leave jobs that they are tied to only because of their inability to get
insurance because of preexisting conditions. It’s called freedom. These are
fundamental moral issues and the reasons that the president started this difficult
process months ago.
If the Democrats walk away from this now, they will reap most of the downside
with little or no upside and many more will die as our health car non-system
continues to unravel.
Their weakness and impotency will not be rewarded in November.
Pass health care reform now.

Finish Health Care or Go Home
Posted on Feb 7, 2010
By E.J. Dionne

This article might have had more utility if the opening
line was about someone who had his clogged toilet
fixed, rather than a kitchen renovation. Bush3 is so
impacted that every time he opens his mouth he spews
fecal vomiting. Nevertheless, articles like this one
make us appreciate the good & bad ones and give the
beginners a chance to deal with red herrings.

Finish Health Care Or Go Home…....

GO HOME !!!!! Take some more snow days..
use all your acrued vacation and sick days.

Take the time to use the great health care benefits
that you have.

Come back when you sober up!!!
and your addictions are ........

“His point was that Americans won’t experience any of the benefits of health care reform until Congress actually puts a new system in place.”

Likely that we will not experience benefits of health care reform at all, even if the Senate bill goes to LAW.

Once again Mr. Dionne seems to be a reasonable chap. However, when you study his scribblings carefully he fails to point out that it is President Obama who is busy throwing monkey wrenches into Mr. Dionne’s wishful thinking. Poor chap, he never learns. Why CD keeps publishing his pablum is beyond my comprehension.

Let’s see, government is not going to tell me which doctor I cannot afford.  Seeing the new world order with the rich getting richer and the middle class seemingly getting poorer, one may realize or decide what their place will be in the grand scheme of things,  when it all comes out in the wash.

One may believe the game Monoply is only a game as the world turns. This may mean the poor are poor because they are lazy, but I have a different opinion of what the slob on the street may really be like, for I am a slob on the street.

Being manipulated to accept reason against oneself logic is not in the room, so the slob on street seems to be constantly force fed tripe which the Media shrills as news.

I read quickly, and may have missed an excellent posting above, BUT being somewhat of an expert, I must add that: NO reforms in this country will make healthcare equitable UNTIL at least SINGLE PAYOR or better yet (yes watch out the horrible, vile, Nazi, communist, fascist, tyrannical, antidemocratic word is going to pop out of me) SOCIALIZED medicine is the only kind of medicine. Everything else will create classes of patients, classes of doctors, classes of healthcare. Which is what we have now. Excellent medical care for billionaires but scant, unpopular, second, no, third rate medicaid for the poor (in India they are called Shudras).

It is a shame that so many are dying….

I really want to laugh at this comedy show of America

Finish Health Care or Go Home
Posted on Feb 7, 2010 By E.J. Dionne

For those folks who believe that health can be
achieved
and improved by positive lifestyle changes, I highly
recommend listening to Michael Pollan being
interviewed
on Democracy NOW, the 2-8-2010 program. Eating
mainstream media hyped garbage is even more deadly
than the political propaganda it puts out. It’s not
possible
to achieve health without a nutritious diet. Of
course
exercise & rest are also prerequisites. Michael
Pollan
not only has the nutrition answers, but explains in
no
uncertain terms how the fascists controlling our food
supply are making us sick.

And just as a reminder, whichever so-called health
care
bill is passed, it will be responsible for over one
million
iatrogenic deaths each year. For the details just
Google:
“Medical system is leading cause of death and injury
in U.S.”
Also, health can’t be purchased at a pharmacy or in a
hospital.

It’s not about “the order things should be done in”; that’s a nice piece of ‘inside
baseball’ for the beltway folks and a good way to throw sand in the eyes of the
public. But the real issues are about the lack of reform in the supposed
‘reform’. People have lost interest and the Democrats have lost support,
because the Democrats (President on down) have not supported meaningful
health care reform.

Item 1:? “A mere seven months ago (that would be around June 2009), The New
York Times/CBS poll found that 72% of Americans ‘supported a government-
administered insurance plan—something like Medicare for those under 65—
that would compete for customers with private insurers.’”

Item 2: As of February 2010, no single payer health care reform, no
‘government option’, mandated premium payments to private sector insurers,
tax money to private sector insurers, stipulations making it legal for insurers to
spend only 80 cents of every 100 cents on actual health care while spending 20
cents of every 100 cents on lobbying, ‘sympathetic’ candidates, CEO bonuses,
‘administration’ and fighting your claim for treatment.

Item 3: Virtually no one (other than those who created the sop for themselves)
want this bastardized insurance industry bailout to pass.

Question: Where have Obama’s supporters gone? Where have the Democrats
supporters gone?

Answer: No where. It’s Obama and the Democrats who have left the ranch. They
have created their own lose/lose game: (1) Pass a bill that does not include
meaningful health care reform (see item 2 above) / (2) Pass no bill and get
belittled and defeated as the ones who couldn’t get meaningful health care
reform done.

The Democrats have gutted real reform and are stuck with a pile of poo of their
own making—- Lose / Lose. And they did it to themselves.

Let’s see, is it that they voted for it and hoped it would not pass or the other way around?

You say Potato and I say Potato
I say tomato and you say tomato
I say Demican and you say Demican

Ah! Could it really be after all, Illusions may be deceiving?

Which major party has the bigger death wish?  It’s hard to tell.

“Finish Health Care”

The ‘reform’ legislation now inching it’s way through Congress may do just that.

Adios.

I must concur with the opinions of both liecatcher and Samson insofar as we shouldnt expect real reform from a government wedded to corporate funding.

As much as we the people are in desperate need for real and honest health care reform we greatly need to retake our governance from the moneyed interests. Once we accomplish that task all reforms become much easier to effect.

Finish Health Care or Go Home

More brainwashing & fecal vomiting keeping alive the
myth that the
current hoax called “health” care can be modified to
make it better. The reality is that what is passed
off as health care is just a system of symptom
management & “disease” creation to benefit MIPIC,
MEDICAL INSURANCE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRIAL
CONSPIRACY, which is responsible for killing over one
million people each year.
If the masses were educated, the brainwashing
fascists controlling America would have to work
harder to numb & dumb them down. 
Ignorance has allowed the majority of America’s
population to become sick & dependent on “medicine”
to stay alive, sleep, eat, stay awake, prevent
gas,eliminate gas,depression,restless leg
syndrome,etc.,etc. One of the most preventable
problems is tooth decay which is unnecessary with the
proper oral hygiene & diet. However, that would limit
profits for those who practice drilling, filling, &
billing, as well as those miscreants selling flouride
for our water & mercury for our teeth.
The entire healthcare hoax has been perpetrated so
easily because the emphasis is on symptom management,
which means perpetual profits for MIPIC, rather than
on health & prevention of “disease”. Treating obese
onset diabetics for diabetes instead of the obesity,
or treating hemorrhoids instead of the constipation
are just two examples.
The Oligarchs have unlimited budgets to market
whatever they
want to foist onto the uneducated & undereducated
unsuspecting
masses, while education budgets are being cut &
emphasis is
placed on sports programs rather health education.
The children “left behind” today are easy prey.
The biggest deficit in education is not teaching
students
how to learn. It’s a memorize “facts” & regurgitate
on exams.

Corporate donors have paid millions to politicians to get this faux-health-care-reform bill passed.  Giant for profit hospitals, the big pharma companies, the health insurance companies.  For each of these big corporations, this bill means a block on any real reform for the next four years, and massive guaranteed profits for the next decade.

There’s an old joke.  A man asks a woman in a bar if she’ll sleep with him.  She says no. 

The man says ‘what if I give you a million dollars?’  The lady says, ‘well sure, if you’ve got a million dollars’. 

Then the man says, well, what if I give you ten dollars.  The lady says, ‘just what kind of girl do you think I am!’.

The man says, “we’ve already established that, now we are just haggling over price.”

We know our Congress is a bunch of whores.  Now they are just haggling over the price.  Soon, we’ll see some more big contributions to some key congresscritter campaign accounts, then miraculously the bill will move forward and Obama will sign it to the cheers of a Rose garden full of corporate lobbyists.

But remember, the key feature of this bill is that Congress says in it that they are open for business the next two election cycles if big corporations want to pay the money to have it repealed before the tiny real reforms take effect in 2014.