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Posted on Jul 11, 2011
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By Mike Farrell

Raised in the Catholic Church, I was a pretty confused kid. Father O’Reilly, one of the priests at St. Peter’s, the church our family attended most of the time, spoke with such a pronounced brogue that I couldn’t follow him. But I didn’t understand the Mass either, so I smiled and pretended he made sense, just accepting him on faith along with the rest of it.

But at some point it all began to itch. Ours was the “One True Faith” and everyone else was damned to hell. Really? That was tough to think about, because some non-Catholics we knew seemed like pretty nice folks—well, most of them, anyway. And what about the people in Africa and other places who maybe never even had a chance to know about Jesus and Peter, The Rock Upon Which He Built His Church? 

Hell for everybody but us? It clearly made some feel special, but I couldn’t make it sit right.

Of course, that was a long time ago and things have changed in the church to some degree. Not soon enough to keep me, but I hope it’s less confusing for kids today—especially now, when religious extremism is all you hear about in the media.

To listen to the bloviators, “religious extremist” means Muslim, and too many Americans buy in without understanding that this “God is (only) on our side” nonsense infects elements in pretty much every belief system. But while violent fanatics are certainly dangerous and should be dealt with appropriately, it’s vital that we recognize extremism wherever it appears. Because in some cases fanatical belief puts on a benevolent face and encroaches through stealth; rather than fly planes into buildings or massacre nonbelievers on a train or in gas chambers, these adherents ease into institutions and infiltrate systems with the aim of gaining legitimacy and, eventually, control.

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No, I’m not talking about Scientology, but that’s a good guess. 

Take a look at fundamentalist, Dominionist Christianity. They’re the bunch, per writer and researcher Chris Berlet, who are called not only to be “active political participants in civic society, but also seek to dominate the political process as part of a mandate from God.” Or, as sociologist Sara Diamond puts it, they “alone are biblically mandated to occupy all secular institutions until Christ returns—and there is no consensus on when that might be.” 

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A mandate from God that the adherents of this particular One True Faith should take over our nation’s institutions? Yup. And I’m afraid it’s easy to dismiss the idea as arrogant posturing and just laugh. OK, maybe wince when that clown in Florida burns the Quran, or shake our heads when a Christian organizer says gays are Nazis, or, per another more recent source, “barbarians.” Maybe you scoffed when a Christian leader said 9/11 was God’s punishment for creeping secularism, but these folks are serious. 

For example, one of the secular institutions on which this bunch is working its wiles is our armed forces. Hard to imagine, isn’t it, that a cult-like extremist group could quietly weave its way into control of the command structure of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines? But think about it: Did the “Jesus rifles” just happen by accident? Remember the 800,000 high-powered rifle sights engraved with Bible codes proclaiming “Jesus as the light of the world” and other quotes that our troops unwittingly carried into battle in two primarily Muslim countries? Just a fluke? Ya’ think? Just an innocent mistake, the unfortunate mix of a zealous Christian manufacturer and a sleepy Pentagon acquisitions officer?

Hard to imagine, isn’t it? How could religious zealots possibly infiltrate and gain control over our military? Well, for one, you might start with the military academies in West Point, Colorado Springs and Annapolis, the institutions where young Americans train to become the commanding officers who control the kids carrying those rifles.

A friend called my attention to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) and Mikey Weinstein, the Air Force Academy graduate who founded it. Going through the academy some years ago, Weinstein, who is Jewish, encountered some bias but nothing that seemed ingrained in the system. Going through the same academy in recent years, however, his Jewish sons and Christian daughter-in-law encountered a systemic level of anti-Semitism and fundamentalist Christian proselytizing that was insulting, infuriating and alarming.

A lawyer, a Republican who served as legal counsel to the Reagan White House, Weinstein is a strong supporter of the constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion. Armed with his belief that the separation of church and state must apply to our nation’s military, he met with walls of denial and indifference from the academy’s leadership. Finally, frustrated at his inability to make those in charge understand that not only his kids but all cadets have a right to an education at the Air Force Academy free of religious oppression, indoctrination and intimidation, Weinstein formed the MRFF to ensure that all young Americans who choose to serve their country can do so without being coerced to buy into the Dominionist Christian belief system. It’s a tough fight.

 


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By Blast Dorrough, July 13, 2011 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

The issue here is whether one is a true American or not. Under the Declaration of Independence all Americans are ordained at birth or citizenship as “new Guards” with the responsibility to defend the U.S. Constitution as our Moral Compass and only Authority under our constitutional Republic.  All religious opinion or pious views of our multi-faith society are restricted to expression only at places of residence or “worship.”  Such religious expression is prohibited from all public and governmental forums. All man-revealed religious thoughts or perceptions or delusions are prohibited from expression in all civil or governmental matters.  Period.
    Most Americans fail to realize that the American Revolution was not only fought to be free of the evil of Kingcraft but the evil of Corporatecraft and the evil of Christiancraft as well.  Founding Guards from all walks of life died for this Revolutionary cause.  I prefer to make reference to “Founding Guards from all walks of life” because it is a more inclusive term than the lesser inclusive term “Founders.”  WE The People manned the trenches so we can never give the impression that these brave souls may have died in vain.  We do this by defending the Constitution against today’s evil usurpers of power—the Corporatecrafters allied with the Christiancrafters.  They despise the Constitution as our Moral Compass and only Authority under our constitutional Republic.  This evil duo were traitors prior to the Revolution just as they are today.  They are anti-truth, anti-American and thus anti-Christian in blasphemy of God by perverting the teachings of Jesus Christ. Corporatecrafters and Christiancrafters promote the lies that the United States was founded on Christianity ignoring the fact that Founding Guards put their lives in jeopardy to be free of the evil of Christiancraft.  They also promote the lie that there is no such American principle creating a wall separating church and state.  As we all know Corporatecrafters and Christiancrafters focus their thoughts on what is false, evil and wrong for humankind.  True American principles were designed to work toward what is true, good and right for humankind, the opposite of the desires of the Evil Duo of anti-truth. Simply stated, that makes THEM the personification of evil.  Christiancrafters are those of the Christian faith who have become possessed by their demonic selves in mockery of truth.
    The Declaration of Independence is clearly a Deistic document by the references to the “Creator” as in the “Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God.”  Founding Guards rejected all man-revealed religions as frauds imposed on humankind by the imagined nobility to control their “serfs” and flocks.” In “The Age of Reason—The Complete Edition—Thomas Paine reveals the absurdity of “Christians” accepting the King James Bible as the inspired word of God.  Paine shows that the Bible is in blasphemy of God.  As were most Founding Guards, Paine was a Deist, a belief in a single God based on the Creation of the Cosmos and life itself.  No one knows the intent of God after death.  Any person preaching otherwise as if they know is a religious fraud.  Paine points out that the Creation has been the only communication from God in a universal language.  Makes sense.  God gave us religion, not man-revealed religions.  Still, there has been no scientific proof of the existence of God.  However, Deism seems to be true theology as the word suggests.  Man-revealed religions are not theology.  For a mind-blower on Paine writings based on Deism go to: http://www.deism.com.

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By kalpal, July 13, 2011 at 10:27 am Link to this comment
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You guys are funny. You posit nonsense and imbue it with scared mumbo jumbo. Good for you.

It still comes down to: “It’s elephants all teh way down,” as the best possible explanation of teh existence of this planeyt and the insanity of its population about a creator who was not created but simply existed. How is that any different from a universe that was not created but simply has always existed?

Where did the creator attend school to learn about creating universes and beings?

Silliness is the core of religion. Lies and distortions are the core of being a cleric.

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By culheath, July 13, 2011 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

What you people don’t seem to get is that it is possible to have have speculations and intuitions about the nature of reality without resorting to metaphysics. I am completely comfortable with the idea that there are aspects of reality that are beyond the ken of me or anyone else. I am no more an atheist than I am a Catholic or Buddhist or whatever concensus philosophy you might mention. I simply don’t deal in any of it because they are all limited definitional constructs that in the end only serve to obfuscate. If you want to know the truth just try to stop having opinions about stuff. I learned that lesson long ago.

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By alturn, July 13, 2011 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

From the spiritual standpoint, physically fighting wars is the lowest action taken upon the path of the warrior.  Higher is talking with your adversaries and finding solutions.  Higher still is actively addressing and solving the causes of tension (such as poverty and hopelessness) before they cause problems.  Highest is creating conditions where the thought of war does not exist.

Fundamentalist thinking is by its nature the most simplistic level of religious thinking. It is natural that those engaged in fundamentalism would desire to dominate the forces which engage in the lowest form of conflict resolution. It is better that we as a country, one with a strong warrior path instinct, look in the mirror and assess how much resources we are allocating to the higher ways of the warrior.  If we did so, we likely would find value in shrinking our military while concurrently leading the world into a time where sharing the world’s resources became a priority.

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By SarcastiCanuck, July 13, 2011 at 9:35 am Link to this comment
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Ah religion,the great divider of mankind.Just read the comments here as proof…Peace brothers and sisters…

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By Gabriel, July 13, 2011 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Seems like none of you detractors actually checked my references, nor provided a spectrum of evidence to prove your views. What does it say about YOUR open mindedness or search for truth? Or are you just acting shills on Truthdig?

Premiss of science is to question til you find out the truth. But in today’s institutionalized science, where mega corporations pay the bills, it’s nearly impossible to even propose a differing view or new info without being kicked in the nuts. Same for religions run by mega churches / corporations.

Many seem to follow them as if they were Gods and only truth ... meanwhile they themselves say they are only “Theories”. It’s called that for a reason = it’s not Law [Natural Law and Universal Law].

Citizens are waking up to these facts and are doing their own research.

So let’s get one thing straight. I’M NOT RELIGIOUS as present mainstream religions go. I’m a Citizen Investigator, Historian, Scientist with a mountain of questions witch today’s science doesn’t seem to answer ... But Ancient Records clearly do.

I don’t reject ANY info unless I fully check it out. Which is more than I can say for some Truthdig users.

@PatrickHenry: “Jewish and Islamic” then “Hebrew and Arabic” ... don’t be silly it’s your words, your mistake.

@ardee: nice ride, thanks for compliment smile ,, we’re working on ride that uses Geet tech. = implosion vortex & plasma as fuel, stock engine 4x Hp & 3x lifespan.

@Lafayette: “Modern anthropology has shown ...” with some major questions to be answered. Explain to me why the first 2 chromosomes of our Gnome are doubled up while no other animal, plant or life has similar.
Ref. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObjiTKIPDjU

“Most religious belief was generated by ancient civilizations to explain phenomenon that mankind did not understand at the time.”
LMAO Think you and everyone here better watch 2 part presentation that kids are learning: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335
That’s in 2003. New info since and Now his work is accredited. Really pisses off the conservatives wink
Just the scale and precision of Pyramids proves today’s tech is way behind. Never mind many pyramids being more precise plans for Tesla’s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower

@ITW: Since you are too lazy to look it up I’ll give you the first part [Vatican]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc1-fwIinxM

@culheath: “I’ve studied comparative world religions for over 30 years and have a good backing science.” Really?
Then you wouldn’t mind being part of a public discussion with Citizen Investigators, scholars, world’s top scientists, theorists, Egyptologists, archeologists, Historians, philosophers, and like ... let’s say @ the top think-tank in North America @ Perimeter Institute in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. I’m sure they would love to hear and see your proof, evidence and hear you present it. I’m sure it’d make great video for everyone.

BTW: I’ve been at it for over 50 yrs and I’m still learning raspberry
Most Priests, Rabbi’s, mainstream scientists etc. see me coming and run the other way so not to be confronted or loose face. What’s your problem?

Notice to all: You got something to say then back it up. Otherwise you look really silly in front of everyone.

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By Hulk2008, July 13, 2011 at 8:10 am Link to this comment

To culheath:

Here’s a possible point of clarification - “religion” is the establishment of some connection between man and the metaphysical.  There are therefore many religions - nearly as many as there are people.

But there can logically be only one un-caused Cause - the entity responsible for existence itself.  One can argue that it’s pointless to attempt a connection with that entity - but it is totally illogical to deny its nature and its existence.

Actual fighting over religion is not only silly but contradicts the basic tenets of just about all “religions”.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 13, 2011 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

culheath, - “100% bullshit”

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Are you saying you understand so little of human nature?

Atheism itself is a form of religion.

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By culheath, July 13, 2011 at 7:04 am Link to this comment

All human beings, bar none, practice a “religion” of one sort or another.

That’s 100% bullshit. Are you saying that you can’t even conceive of being conscious without religion?

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By Go Right Young Man, July 13, 2011 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

PRGP,

All human beings, bar none, practice a “religion” of one sort or another.

Take care not to frown on those who practice a different religion than your own. - Therein lies the real danger.

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By PRGP, July 13, 2011 at 6:24 am Link to this comment

Religions are delusional bullshit maintained to make some people feel superior to others.  When will humanity grow up???

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By PRGP, July 13, 2011 at 6:20 am Link to this comment

In 1966, I was inducted into the US Army.  After a couple of weeks of basic training at Fort Bliss, TX, I was made training platoon sgt (though only 120 lbs and 5’6”, I had 3yrs college and was in pretty good shape as well as being about 3 years older than the typical draftee.  I later voluteered for OCS and was an infantry officer in S. Vietnam in 1968, but that’s another story).
We were told we had to go to church on Sunday at Ft. Bliss or we would be put on work detail.  I protested this violated our right to “time off” along with the Xtians whether we went to church or not.  I won and we didn’t get punished for not going to church.  Bob Dylan’s “With God on Our Side” perfectly spells out the hypocrisy of religion relative to the military and war.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 13, 2011 at 6:07 am Link to this comment

Lafayette,

Which nation on the planet is it more likely that someone such as Oprah Winfrey -dirt poor as a child- may become a billionaire?

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I’ve asked the above question several times without answer.  It’s as if you believe that by answering the question you will, in some small way, negate your personal believe system/religion.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 13, 2011 at 5:13 am Link to this comment

Lafayette, - “JUST THE FACTS, MA’AM”

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I suppose it’s a matter of which source we’re willing to give more gravity.

According to the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) the number of Muslims living in the United States nears 7 million (adults). 2.3% of population. - Add to that 2.1 children per couple and that number more than doubles.

Note: Take care in how you use and cite Wiki.  The figures you rely on, 0.6% of U.S. population, is the lowest of seven separate estimates found on WikiPediA.

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Don’t be so sure of what you think you know.  Take care in your rigidity.

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By culheath, July 13, 2011 at 5:00 am Link to this comment

@culheath: “Religion is nothing but magical thinking.”
I beg to differ. If you do your research you will find it’s fully encompassed in science, natural and universal laws and backed by evidence. Nice try though.

I don’t think so. Homey don’t play that. I’ve studied comparative world religions for over 30 years and have a good backing science. Your attitudes are part of the apologist problem I am talking about that we need to eschew. But hey,as lo9ng as you disarm and say away from the kids with your malarkey, keep chasing those rainbows.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 13, 2011 at 4:09 am Link to this comment

Gabriel:
Like all religious fanatics you have no concept of what “proof” is, or what facts are. You present a series of assertions of the entomology of words with no demonstration of of how it works. 

Chris Rock (I think) has a joke that “Politics” comes from “Poly” meaning many, and “tick”, a blood-sucking, disease spreading parasite.  It’s a great line, but it demonstrates my point—that it’s NOT a valid derivation of the word “Politics”, though it sounds good.

Thus, all your word “derivations” (plus the assertion that one “learns” “Jewish” and “Islamic” betrays your pseudo-scholarship as just that: pseudo.

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By Lafayette, July 13, 2011 at 3:36 am Link to this comment

PSEUDO-SCIENCE

Gabe: Historians and Science are now confirming this to be greatly helpful.

Preposterous malarkey.

Modern anthropology has shown a clean line of descent from the original Australopithecus africanus, a hominid that exited the savannas of Africa. DNA research is almost complete showing the evolution of mankind and its distribution throughout the globe from the Pliocene age. (See here.)

Anthropology has also described adequately that by means of mankind’s intellectual evolution have come languages, societies and nations. All these are attributes of our present civilizations on earth, some still more or less developed.

Most religious belief was generated by ancient civilizations to explain phenomenon that mankind did not understand at the time. Some of the richest are Greek that explain, by means of the “gods”, explanations of man’s own psychological make-up.

Rest assured, there is nothing “lost in the mists of time” that is not a pure fabrication of modern man.  You are dealing in fiction.

As if present reality were not difficult enough to handle ...

POST SCRIPTUM

I liked the series Stargate that projected mankind into the future from a marvelous instrument of the past. But Stargate was Hollywood and reality is reality.

Shall we try to distinguish between the two - that is entertainment from reality? Or is that too difficult for some? 

We are not all dolts on this forum ...

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By ardee, July 13, 2011 at 3:04 am Link to this comment

Lucifer deceives as is his purpose, how very biblical of you.

Not that facts penetrate such a closed minded alter ego of GRYM, Martha, and the other islands of lunacy in a forum so easily sidetracked apparently, oh and I should certainly include our newest wackazoid, Gabriel, a fitting replacement for the mad Doctor BunHealthy. But I digress.

FYI: the oldest Synagogue and Catholic Church extant are both in Baghdad. History is replete with stories of justice and fairness, as well as tales of cruelty and inhumanity, from all governments and religions in fact.

That the few seek to diminish a particular belief system, one whose adherents number 1.4 billion followers, for the actions of a tiny minority of them reeks, frankly. But then most of your efforts, oh denizen of the nether regions, do as well.

Extremism generally rears its ugly head in times of stress and duress, and, sadly, the machinations of this particular extremist finds purchase in a troubled world made even more troubling by this lot of fools and clowns. They seek no solutions, only foster hatred and deception, whatever might be their motive.

Awaiting the Rapture silently, Lucifer, might be a kindness to us all.

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By PatrickHenry, July 13, 2011 at 3:00 am Link to this comment

Gabriel,

Don’t you mean Hebrew and Arabic?

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By RayLan, July 13, 2011 at 1:48 am Link to this comment

Pseudo-Christian terrorism is as alive and well as pseudo-Muslim terrorism. Para-military wackos, White Supremacists, abortion clinic terrorists, arsenic-laced Kool Aid dispensers,gay bashers and murderers are all bible-clutching monsters. They haven’t run planes into buildings yet- but the Timothy McVeigh variety is not loathe to blow up federal buildings.
So the self-righteous self-serving Muslim-bashers need to give equal time to other fanatical stripes.

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By Gabriel, July 12, 2011 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

@ITW
Nothing of the sort. And I would appreciate if you didn’t put words in my mouth, nor anyone else.
I was blatantly clear in showing my proof .. where’s yours? smile

If you missed it, I support Mike in most part and I also support Truth way more than what he says.

FYI I was born in a country where Capitalism, communist, monarchy and religions all have a part in deception. I have friends who are and or were way up the chain in ruling class. There you need to learn quickly or end up as fertilizer. So, you need to be lot smarter than that bud.
Challenge enough for ya?

BTW, I thought this was Truthdig = dig for the truth. Am I wrong?

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By Inherit The Wind, July 12, 2011 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

OK, another whacko wants to steal a thread to proselytize his crackpot take on religions, complete with phony facts and full-blown bigotry, claiming that one must learn to speak “Jewish” and “Islam”.  Does one therefore learn to speak “Baptist”, “7th Day Adventist”, “Episcopalian”, “Lutheran”, “Zoroastrian”, “Hindu”, “Buddhist”,

or just “Jewish” and “Islam”?

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By Gabriel, July 12, 2011 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment

@anaman51: I’m only the messenger. Please go find out from original ancient records. Study and you may reach the level where you can experience it for yourself or at least find out. Our science is in “baby stages” in comparison to our ancestors pre 10,500 yrs ago. We are only beginning to see into Infrared, X-ray, Gamma and other parts of EM spectrum .. never mind Quantum physics and other fields.
It’s well recorded most ancient religious people used and still use some form of psychedelic drug to enhance their abilities to see and realize further. Historians and Science are now confirming this to be greatly helpful.
Vatican = magic mushrooms,
Middle East and Hindu = Cannabis, Opium and others
Shamans = Peyote, mares milk, cannabis, cactus juice, etc.

@ITW: Thank you for such smart answer. I read the rules shills use to discredit also. :D Not that you are 1 or trying to act like one. smile Next

@PatrickHenry: “How does one speak Jewish and Islamic?”
Do you think maybe they learn? smile How did you learn English & learn to operate a computer? These are 2 totally different languages that require fully & totally different ways of thinking. Texting is #3, Operating a car #4, etc.

Notice: come on PPL. If you gonna reply at least Please use some of those higher brain functions. For some of you “Like maybe go smoke a joint and come back when you figured it out.” smile

@culheath: “Religion is nothing but magical thinking.”
I beg to differ. If you do your research you will find it’s fully encompassed in science, natural and universal laws and backed by evidence. Nice try though.

Revised: The sooner we are rid of PRESENT RELIGIOUS BULLS*HT PARTS, the healthier we all will be. That sounds better.

“All the possible positives used to apologize for religions historical horrors can be had by other social methods.”
Aha. And who holds those murderers and their brethren responsible?

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By culheath, July 12, 2011 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Religion is nothing but magical thinking. The sooner we are rid of it, the healthier we all will be. All the possible positives used to apologize for religions historical horrors can be had by other social methods.

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By PatrickHenry, July 12, 2011 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

Gabriel,

I love it when this subject comes up. This thread shows just how much you PPL know.

Anyone whom studies teachings of one so-called Jesus knows he was fluent in Egyptian, Jewish, Sumerian, Islamic and Greek knowledge before he was 12. 

Now days how fast you can text in those languages before you are 12 really turns heads.

How does one speak Jewish and Islamic?

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By Inherit The Wind, July 12, 2011 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

Thanks Gabriel. You can go back to Crazy Land now. Have fun going insane! 
Never “assume” about people here; it just makes an ASS out U to ME.

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By anaman51, July 12, 2011 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment

The basis of all religions can be summed up by an honest answer to this one simple question: What happens to the human consciousness after death?

There’s only one right answer: I don’t know. Anyone claiming inside information on this one is just plain full of shit, and that includes all you religionistas.

I have no clue, nor does anyone else. Anyone claiming otherwise is a liar or a fool.

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By Gabriel, July 12, 2011 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

I love it when this subject comes up. This thread shows just how much you PPL know.

Anyone whom studies teachings of one so-called Jesus knows he was fluent in Egyptian, Jewish, Sumerian, Islamic and Greek knowledge before he was 12. He went East for good number of years to learn more and returned with enough to teach and free his people from Roman tyranny ... mainly by the law of MU’AT or more commonly know as MAAT or MA’AT.

Since Noah’s flood, about 10,500 yrs ago, the ruling class has been trying to keep the commoners from finding out the truth. They use various codes, languages, occult practices and other means to hide the truth. Bible, Torah, I-Ching, Maya records and all others are ALL “Codified” references to one and same system of truth.

If one studies History diligently it proves ALL religions come from same, one and only, original one. It includes science and religion as one. It is one and the same as part of Natural and Universal Laws and Truth.

By stating a name as such as in “Name” field I just put a price on my head from ruling class. Why?

So what’s in a name “GA BE RA EL”?
We know RA is an Egyptian God and EL is a Babylonian one, with their respective inclusive systems in tow. 2 gods in one name? What kind of confusion is this? Or is it?
So who are GA and BE? For them you will need to investigate.

Let’s take ISRAEL: it splits into IS [Isis], RA [Egyptian God], EL [Babylon]. This translates to meeting place of 3 religions and 3 ways of life. Is this the Israel of today? Starting to get the drift?
- If you check all languages they are built on same premiss. I bet they won’t tell you this in most schools and universities.
Notice: mistakes are intentional to see if you actually know or you check.

In order to find out what’s being hidden you must study them all and COMBINE them all. Once you do the evidence becomes blatantly clear. Especially study everything they tell you is Myth, “bullshit”, conjecture, lie, no proof, not based in science, outlandish, hoax, debunked, etc. YOU be the judge and jury ... not them. You were given a perfectly good brain and connected senses to use it.

To make your studies easier see http://www.sacred-texts.com , Nassim Haramein, Zacharia Sitchin, Bible code, true definition of YHMH / tetragrammaton, Pyramid Code, Dogon code, everything on Maya, Zeitgeist series, Lloyd Pye, Lemuria - The Hidden History of Mankind’s Motherland, “Old World Secrets The Omega Project Codes” and all other independent studies.

Start learning PPL. Put the pieces together til everything becomes clear. And I mean Everything.

Keep in mind the ruling class, any ruling class, lies by putting the info right in your face then manipulating it to their own ends, SAME AS ANY PREACHER DOES. They are masters at manipulation and deception, they been at it for over 10,500 yrs. If you don’t look at the original stone, text or artifact and you don’t do your own translations and calculations then you don’t know much. If you haven’t talked to the Original Tribe of the area to cross-reference then you don’t know. Do you?
Hint: Much is hidden from shills and Internet censorship by using video. Temples were built on older ones, victors write their own truth and time deteriorates evidence.

You have the greatest library ever devised, by the people for the people, right in front of your face. It’s called the Internet. wink
This is war, an info war for the hearts and minds of all on Earth. It’s your choice:
- you can be dumb and stupid like they want you to be
OR - you can learn and hold the Elite’s feet to the fire.

Choose carefully. Your and your family’s lives are on the line.

Then maybe you will know the extent of deception, usury, manipulation and lies used on today’s Military and everywhere else.

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By shout fire in a crowded theater, July 12, 2011 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

LC:

I am so very sorry to hear that you personally have suffered persecution in foreign countries. Presuming that you are describing personal experience. Not much anyone can do to remedy your overseas experiences.  That is, unless you propose invasion and occupation of those countries and then compelling tolerance. 

I guess I have never have felt the need to attend church services in any airport – either in the United States or in another country.  However, I submit that there is a vast difference in perturbance and persecution.  Use of the term “Islamophobia” does not rise to the level of persecution.

Your response makes my point:  there is no persecution of Christianity in the United States.  The subjects of your complaints make that clear.

Curiously, Farrell’s piece on the coercive use of Christianity in the US military parallel the same complaints you make about the Saudi Kingdom.  Perhaps if American’s were to practice the same tolerance you hope to see toward Christianity in the Muslim world, the United States might become truly a role model.

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By gerard, July 12, 2011 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Fred LaMotte— Consider this:  Maybe Christians, along with all other belief systems, stereotype themselves by the very excesses to which they inevitably go in trying to prove the unproveable, enforce the unenforceable, etc.

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By Lafayette, July 12, 2011 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Cipher: One of my biggest regrets is mustering out. I wish I’d made a career of it.

Yes, much to our regret as well ...

Better yet, it would have been nice had you made the Supreme Sacrifice for your country.

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By Lafayette, July 12, 2011 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment

JUST THE FACTS, MA’AM

GRYM: You’ll want to triple the estimated number of Muslims in the United States if you wish to be nearer to correct.

See for yourself here. Look under Muslim ... 1,349,000 individuals, 0.6% of adults.

Statistics are always better than hearsay ...

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By Lew Ciefer, July 12, 2011 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

@ Not One More!, July 12 at 12:11
Lets say, for argument’s sake, that the bible does advocate for peace, why are so many christians joining the military? Isn’t that a contradiction?

No it isn’t. Jesus told his disciples to purchase swords if they didn’t have one in order to protect themselves.

Advocating for peace does not rule out war. War is an essential part of humanity. A young man is smart to join the military and learn warfare. One of my biggest regrets is mustering out. I wish I’d made a career of it.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 12, 2011 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

@ kerryrose, July 12 at 10:50
How lucky for you to be a member of both ‘the last great hope of humankind’ and a ‘martyr’ at the same time.  It must provide you with much sense of self-importance and meaning.

How surprising to find a Lefty referring to the U.S. and western enlightenment as humankind. That’s very unsocialist of you. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, and Mao, et al are turning over in their graves. Go back and read with your mind … not your emotions.

I’m not a martyr, I’m not fighting back. I encourage Christians to unite and fight back. That would be the younger ones. 

I’m in hiding because I’m old and I’ve just seen the video ‘Eat the Old People.’ (YouTube) I know Commies/Socialists are capable of eating people so I ain’t taking no chances. (Actually all humans are capable of eating other humans … well … not me … because I’ve a problem with my teeth falling out.)

Besides I’ve conflicts of interests … I’m a Christian-Jew-Muslim-Hindu-Buddhist-New Ager-Rastafari-Wiccan- Oyotunji-Gnostic-Nonbeliever.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 12, 2011 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

@ shout fire in a crowded theater, July 12 at 9:34 am
None-the-less please let us know what we can do to better accommodate Christians and Christianity.

In my very liberal neighborhood you can not swing a dead cat without hitting a Christian church.  It is unimaginable the repression you must feel.

The name is Lewis ‘Lew’ Ciefer, not Lucifer.

I’ve got evangelical neighbors on both sides and another on the other side of the road. Two are Pentecostal and one family is some type of Bible Baptists and there’s a Latino family, Catholics, three neighbors down to the left. They’re all great people albeit Tuesday night Bible study at one of the Pentecostal’s house can be frightening -especially when my house, a 1978 Winnebago Chieftain (it’s a classic!), starts shaking like I was on the highway traveling to Oshkosh instead of anchored on blocks.

I’m touched by your obviously sincere concern about the intolerable repression that I, as a member of the world’s most discriminated against minority—poor white males—and a Christian suffer daily. And your inquiry as to how you might better accommodate Christians not only brings me to tears but actually ignites a small glimmer of hope in my inner-most being that all might yet not be lost for humankind. It’s wonderful to finally have someone ‘feel’ my pain for a change. Gods bless you!

As for those accommodations…

I’ve got a list that would take days to type out here, which is impossible to do here, so I’ll give you just two or three and you can get started on these then we’ll discuss the others later, okay?

How about all airports in Islamic nations have chapels available for Christian and Jewish travelers. Christians don’t have to wash their feet before praying but Chapels are nice.

It would be great if the Islamic world, especially Saudi Arabia, allowed the same unhindered proselytizing by all other religious faiths that Muslim proselytizers enjoy in the West and that Islam approve the ordination—as some Christian religions have—of gay and female clergy. It goes without saying that they’d lovingly receive and admit gays—like my friend Ehrenstein—into the faith should they so desire ... without fear of having their heads removed or being hanged or stoned or beaten or…

It would be very accommodating if you had Saudi Arabia allow the construction of at least as many Churches and synagogues in Riyadh as there are mosques ... let’s say ... in Rome or London or New York…

In some areas of the West liberal fear of offending Muslims—as well as many others—are such that they refuse to refer to Christmas as ‘Christmas’ but rather invent insipid words like ‘Winterval.’ So in consideration of Christian sensitivities the Left—Islam’s ally—should heretofore refer to Ramadan and all other Islamic holy days as ‘Fastival’ or some other equally anodyne term, okay?

There are other issues like burqas, genital mutilation, and the anti-Free speech term ‘Islamophobia’, etc.—which all greatly perturb my Christian sensibilities—but there is one more accommodation that I simply cannot leave off the short list…

Every time a Lefty writes a screed such as this one on the evils of Christianity and Christian extremists she must also write an equally critical piece on the evils of Islam and Islamic extremists… ya know ... tit for tat ...  after all ... the Left is all about equality and tolerance, isn’t it? smile

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By Lew Ciefer, July 12, 2011 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

@ Ehrenstein, July 12 at 8:12 am

And one way you’ve chosen to “fight back” is to refer to gay people such as myself as a “diseased herd.”

Way to go with the Victim Card, dear!

Playing the victim card is very fashionable today and the only way one might find oneself receiving special ‘rights’ not extended to others by the socialist God-the-State. But I’m preaching to the choir, am I not Ehrenstein?

I can’t remember the article or all of the comments made at the time but I do remember that part quoted by you. I believe you misunderstood what I said because, if I remember correctly, the metaphoric herd in question was American society specifically and the human race generally. It wasn’t a gay herd.

You didn’t mention you were gay. You seem anything but gay to me; you seem angry and sad.

You are misunderstanding me here also. I’m not fighting back. I urge Christians to unite and fight back against the evil alliance of Islam and the Church of God-the-State (Marxism/Socialism). I’m too old to fight anybody.

Besides my age and poor health I’m also unable to ‘fight back’ because I’ve conflicts of interests due to my being a Christian-Jew-Muslim-Hindu-Buddhist-New Ager-Rastafari-Wiccan- Oyotunji-Gnostic-Nonbeliever. The one God that I simply cannot accept is socialist God-the-State ... the one God that actually gets off her arse and hits you with lightening bolts. Go figure!

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By Not One More!, July 12, 2011 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

Lets say, for argument’s sake, that the bible does advocate for peace, why are so many christians joining the military? Isn’t that a contradiction? Isn’t it clear that the military is mainly used to advance corporate profits (and not liberty and justice). The soldiers are mercenaries of the worst kind. And yet, christians (and jews and muslims) still want to join?

Friends don’t let friends join the military.

http://www.notonemore.us/peacequotes.htm - Peace Quotes

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By Go Right Young Man, July 12, 2011 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

Lafayette,

You’ll want to triple the estimated number of Muslims in the United States if you wish to be nearer to correct.

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By kerryrose, July 12, 2011 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

Lew Ciefer

How lucky for you to be a member of both ‘the last great hope of humankind’ and a ‘martyr’ at the same time.  It must provide you with much sense of self-importance and meaning.

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By Gerry, July 12, 2011 at 10:28 am Link to this comment
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All religions are mutually exclusive by definition. The reason is that there is no god
and these institutions are man-made.

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By gerard, July 12, 2011 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

We have several scourges on our hands.  I honestly don’t know what to do.  If I did, I would be doing it.  Mostly, for me, it’s a matter of trying to
strenghen sanity and not make things more hateful, fear-ridden and sick.  The sun still shines somewhere in the world, even though it rains cats and dogs here just about every day—and that, in spite of all our pills, pomposity, power and procrastination.

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By felicity, July 12, 2011 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Yup.  “God, Guns and Guts Are What Made America Free”
is the billboard slogan of the day in the Panhandle.

And then there’e Patraeus who endorses a manifesto
which makes the case that there is a necessity for
religion, preferably Christian, for a properly
functioning military unit. (Of course, he’s promoting
this unconstitutional Christian exceptionalism at
precisely the time we’re fighting Islamic
fundamentalists who are telling their soldiers that
America is waging a modern-day crusade.)

The fundamentalists want to be taken seriously but
when they come out with global warming being a
conspiracy perpetrated by atheists, even fence-
sitters may find it difficult to take them seriously.

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By shout fire in a crowded theater, July 12, 2011 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

LC:

Not a very clever screen name.

None-the-less please let us know what we can do to better accommodate Christians and Christianity. 

In my very liberal neighborhood you can not swing a dead cat without hitting a Christian church.  It is unimaginable the repression you must feel.

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By SarcastiCanuck, July 12, 2011 at 8:56 am Link to this comment
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Yes,religous war in the 21st century.Just proves that the one thing that never dies is stupidity…God help us all and if your athiest then Bill Maher help us all…

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By Lafayette, July 12, 2011 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

JUST THE FACTS, MA’AM

LC: Christians and Christianity are under diverse and severe attacks from multiple fronts. The severity and type of threats depend much on where Christians live, but there is hardly a nation on earth where they don’t face some type of threat.

Perfidious bunk. Nearly 76% percent of the American population declared that they were of a Christian affiliation. Only 0.6% declared their religion to be Muslim.

I live in France that has a large Muslim community - far larger than that of the US. Five million Muslims live in France - five times the number that live in the US. And the population of the US is 5.6 times that of France. Which shows the distinct minority of Muslims in the US.

And, given that they are a more preponderant community in France, I can assure you that they are more at risk from insult and injury than are Christians.

MY POINT

We are all endangered, regardless of our religion, by fanatics. The fanatics must not be allowed to prevail.

And the Muslims in the US probably feel far more menaced than, vice-versa, the Christian majority.

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By A. Benway, July 12, 2011 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
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Rich man arrives at the Gate of Heaven saying “you can’t keep ME out!, I once gave 15 cents to a starving old woman!” The angel says to wait a moment and calls St. Pete, who says “Give him back the money and tell him to go to hell”.

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By Ehrenstein, July 12, 2011 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

“I was once an atheist and saw Christians and Christianity much in the same way as the author of this article. I have since had my eyes opened and now believe that Christians are the last and only hope to salvage what little remains of a once great Republic and Western enlightenment. I urge all Christians to awaken from their slumber, to unite, and to fight back because if you don’t all is lost.”

And one way you’ve chosen to “fight back” is to refer to gay people such as myself as a “diseased herd.”

Way to go with the Victim Card, dear!

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By Lew Ciefer, July 12, 2011 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

Christians feel threatened and for well-founded reasons—they are threatened. There’s no doubt about it.

Christians and Christianity are under diverse and severe attacks from multiple fronts. The severity and type of threats depend much on where Christians live, but there is hardly a nation on earth where they don’t face some type of threat. It’s only natural that the most extreme elements would be the first to unite and counterattack. It’s that way with all groups. 

In the West, Christianity and Christians confront the alliance of two of the world’s largest religious groups; the alliance of the adherents of Islam with the most fanatical and dangerous group of religious jihadists on the planet—the Marxist/Socialist fundamentalists of the Church of God-the-State.

Christian anti-Jewish sentiment shouldn’t surprise the author or anyone else since Christianity arose from Jewish internecine violence between those Jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah and those who didn’t. The Christian Messiah was a Jew betrayed by his fellow Jews. All twelve apostles were Jews. Saul of Tarsus—St. Paul—was a Jewish rabbi. Whatever John wrote the Book of the Revelation was, in all probability, another Jew who held ‘non-Christian’ Jews in contempt. John Agee and his teachings are aberrations.

The author and Jews will probably find themselves much better received among Muslims. I recommend they seek a Wahhabi fundamentalist congregation—inviting a few of their gay friends to tag along—where they can mingle and experience the love.

The lesson to be learned here, the lesson that Homo sapiens refuse to learn, is that despite the fervent beliefs of the fundamentalist believers of the Church of God-the-State and their efforts to prove otherwise: you cannot change men’s hearts through legislation. That’s one of the foundational truths of Christianity. Jesus taught that the need for his having to come and die to save mankind was due to the Law being inadequate. The Law could only deal with outward appearances; it couldn’t deal with the root of the problem ... the heart of man!

There’s no wonder—to those few who understand—that the greater the achievements of the comrade jihadists of the Church of God-the-State in legislating every aspect of human social/moral behavior they can, there is a relative increase in resistance by men to that legislation. 

I was once an atheist and saw Christians and Christianity much in the same way as the author of this article. I have since had my eyes opened and now believe that Christians are the last and only hope to salvage what little remains of a once great Republic and Western enlightenment. I urge all Christians to awaken from their slumber, to unite, and to fight back because if you don’t all is lost.

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By Hulk2008, July 12, 2011 at 6:47 am Link to this comment

A Buddhist, a Lutheran, and a Wahabist Muslim enter heaven, escorted by St. Peter.  Pete shows them around at different venues they can choose for eternal reward - all except one thick sound-proofed door.  St. Peter tells them not to knock or enter since that area is for Catholics - and they think they are the only ones “up here”.

Ahhh just what we need: another ex-Catholic bashing his parents’ religious heritage while admitting he couldn’t really understand the local Irish priest. 

Priests have been telling that same old joke about Catholics since long before I was born, for sure.
Mr. Farrell seems as far removed from legitimate “fundies” as his former Roman types. 

There are fundies in every religion - rank and file folks are always told by their religious leaders to tolerate them, and in Jesus’ case, to actually love them and love enemies as well.

Best line I’ve heard: 
When one reaches Paradise, one will be amazed at who is there - as will those already there will be amazed at seeing the shocked newcomer.

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By Ehrenstein, July 12, 2011 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

Religion IS Politics.

Totalitarian Politics.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 12, 2011 at 5:26 am Link to this comment

Mike,
You’re a little late to this party.  About a year or two ago there was a TD article on how the heads of the Air Force Academy were not only allowing but ENCOURAGING fundie preachers to infect and take over the AFA’s chaplain department and to begin inculcating the cadets with radical fundamentalist ideas….sounds just like the Wahabbis and Taliban, doesn’t it?

That’s because it is!

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By Anarcissie, July 12, 2011 at 4:59 am Link to this comment

So, if we just get rid of a few fundies, it’ll be okay to have a huge military occupying and attacking countries all over the world in an effort to dominate and control it?

The ‘dominationists’ I’d worry about are in the White House and Congress and in corporate board rooms and managerial offices.  Our Great Leaders.

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By thecrow, July 12, 2011 at 4:43 am Link to this comment

“It is unbelievable that a nation that calls itself Christian could even countenance a debate on torture, and, after killing perhaps a million innocent Iraqi citizens in an illegal war, call for more of the same in Afghanistan. Or to employ white phosphorous and other war crime weapons in either location. The combination of hypocrisy and self-serving delusion is stunning. These ‘Christians’ are statistically more likely to favor torture than non-believers.”

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/thepassion/

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By Fred LaMotte, July 12, 2011 at 4:12 am Link to this comment

The vast majority of Christians are as compassionate and liberal minded as anyone else, and do not preach exclusivism. We must be as vigilant about stereotyping Christians as we are about stereotyping Muslims - or atheists.

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By Lafayette, July 12, 2011 at 4:08 am Link to this comment

ABOUT FAITH

MF: But at some point it all began to itch. Ours was the “One True Faith” and everyone else was damned to hell.

We are all born into belief systems, that is, those of our parents. It is with knowledge and, more importantly, suspicion that we grow out of them. Or we form them to agree with our own beliefs.

It has been an artifact of the Catholic Church for centuries to find, persecute and excommunicate (and then burn) supposed heretics. Of course, that is no longer the case - which does not mean that the dogmatic interpretation of Catholicism in Rome will not impose its will where found necessary.

Still, let us not forget that whilst the home is where we are inculcated with beliefs we all manifest free-will that allows us to pick and chose. Some change religion, most (I submit) modulate their familial religion to suit the set of beliefs with which they are most comfortable.

Most Catholics in America practice both pregnancy-prevention AND many will practice also abortion (if necessary) regardless of what a pontiff in Rome (who never has had nor ever will have a child) could understand about such a situation. A woman’s body is a woman’s body and she can deal directly with God about what she should have or should not have done with it. (I suspect the Virgin Mary would have her word to say. Or, perhaps heaven has yet to be “liberated”? ;^)

Most important, and having the worst impact upon religion, is the advance of both science and anthropology, which demonstrates that our universe is a cataclysmic accident as is life itself on earth. There was a Big Bang, but was it at the behest of God? Go figure ...

ZAT IZ ZE KWESTION of any modern day philosopher who dares attempt to answer it. It is truly an Act of Faith to believe that Christ came on earth two millenniums ago to save our sorry asses.  There is no proof of his existence, though we are pretty certain, for instance, that Julius Caesar did indeed exist.

All we have of him, this Jesus Christ, are these two elements of belief:
•  He was either the very first or amongst the first to promote “brotherly love” amongst peoples. Not many previous to him proposed a belief system at the heart of which was love for mankind - particularly at a moment in history when human life was not worth even a pittance.
•  Given the craven cupidity, the despicable nature that is typical of much of mankind whose cruel deeds go unpunished; it is comforting to believe that these bastards are going to burn in hell.

But aside from those sentiments, we haven’t the slightest notion of where mankind is going. In fact, given a large enough meteorite careening through space and penetrating our atmosphere to inevitably crash into the earth … life on earth could start all over again.

(Maybe that’s not such a bad option … ? ;^)

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By Ted Rodosovich, July 11, 2011 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment
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I sure would like to know if (us) atheists make better military personnel? The fact that we believe that we only get one shot at life, one trip ... gives us the mindset that is different than someone who believes that the big gal/guy in the sky is there to give protection. We realize that we can’t lull ourselves into a way of thinking that lets our guard down. Because, if we do ... we believe we go right into the void at death, the nothingness from which we came (or, is “it” a different nothingness?). We don’t bank on angels, fields of endless grain, harps stringing out bee-yuti-ful tunes, etc etc etc. We are very very pragmatic.

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By gerard, July 11, 2011 at 10:15 pm Link to this comment

These days the entire country is encouraged to adopt attitudes of fear and piety.  Why?
1. Frightened people are easy to control.
2. Pious people are sure they are right, and so don’t ask complicated questions like “why are we still in Afghanistan?” Tell them what you want them to believe and they will believe it.
3. A lot of people are making a lot of money out of keeping people afraid, self-righteous and ignorant.
4. It is hard for ignorant, scared people to admit they are ignorant and scared, so they seldom change because all their energy goes into insisting that they are just as smart as anyone—maybe smarter.
5. If they can believe that God is all-powerful, invincible and perfect, then they can remain weak, and dependent, and nobody expects them to take responsibility for what they do because somebody else steals their responsibility.  (The army couldn’t function without them.}
6. Both governments and churches eagerly exploit them instead of admitting the truth and teaching them the truth. Governments and churches are not interested in truth. They are interested in power. But governments and churches will never admit that. Instead, governments say they are interested in your “security”—physical, financial, psychological—and churches will say they are interested in your “soul”—your “spiritual” security.
  People have every right to basic security—physical and spiritual, and we can make it for ourselves and for each other by respecting each other, taking care of each other, understanding each other, helping each other in times of sorrow and despair. It’s called being human.  It’s called sharing, compassion and—yes—intelligent people’s “intelligent design”.
  Fear and war kill it. Peace fosters it.  That’s why we don’t have peac. Shall we tango?

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By Jeff, July 11, 2011 at 9:16 pm Link to this comment
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A friendly correction: The author of the ‘Blackwater’ book is named Scahill, not Hill. 

Thank you, Mr. Farrell, for your writing on this subject.  Although while growing up, mine was a positive experience in Catholic school, as now an atheist I now reject the church and all formal religious belief.  None-the-less, I continue to support the right of all who choose to continue to believe in mysticism and magic.  For me, it is matter of freedom of thought.  But that support does not take sides in competing belief systems.

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By THX 1133 is not in the movie..., July 11, 2011 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

Definition of UNCTUOUS
1
a : fatty, oily
b : smooth and greasy in texture or appearance
2
: plastic <fine unctuous clay>
3
: full of unction; especially : revealing or marked
by a smug, ingratiating, and false earnestness or
spirituality
=========================
I especially like the first definition; it seems duly
fitting.
The U.S. is the new Humpty Dumpty; broken; and all
the king’s horses and all the king’s men can’t put it
together again.
Until one recognizes the genuine situation one cannot
possibly find a solution. Do not look for a leader to
follow; that’s the problem of the first order.
There’s no savior; only those who will do the least
harm…

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By anaman51, July 11, 2011 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

I can’t count the number of war vets who, when asked about their battlefield exploits in documentaries, were quick to point out that they prayed to their god for deliverance from death in combat, and their god responded to keep them alive.

They neglect to mention that every last stinking corpse on that battlefield made the same request of the same god, some with their final breath. For some reason, god chose not to hear those voices. Anyone who goes to battle expecting the intervention of a god to keep them alive is a victim of a religious mania long since blown out of all proportion. Your god is not coming—-he can’t hear you. He’s not there.

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By kerryrose, July 11, 2011 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

It would be helpful if you could offer advice on what, exactly, we can do.

Since Jeremy Hill’s book ‘Blackwater’ which paints Eric Prince and his entire band as Christian fundamentalists who are waging a ‘holy’ war, the news of nuttiness is not a surprise.

Funny, the loudest squawkers about Muslim fundamentalists come from the American fundamentalists, ie Sarah Palin who had a devil exorcism (whew, she’s not really evil!) on a YouTube video.

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