I agree with Sasquatch’s post but the main problem is that most of the U.S
politicians would not touch logic with a 10-foot pole.

It is amazing that politicians that get so upset at
the effect of deficits on our children have so little
concern of a deteriorating environment on future
generations. There may be a window still for the
greedy to line their coffers but eventually the
consumption of resources and the depleted livability
will come back to haunt them and we will all have to
live a grim third world reality. The people who
already live that existence at least won’t have to
adjust. What is needed is for everyone to get on the
same page and agree to peace and saving the earth at
all costs. Anything else is going to result in a grim
reality for future generations, no matter what their
religion or politics may be. Why can’t we choose
shared livability instead of a short-lived chance at
riches that will end in everyone living in despair.

Author Bill McKibben obviously has not been around enough Harvard graduates. 
They think that diploma trumps everything even nature, science, physics, good
sense, history and you name it.  That’s why we are in trouble on so many fronts
now.

For a sober look at our response to climate change, check out the November 27 issue of The Economist.

The error in separating climate issues from human issues is that everything is interconnected.  Obama seems to believe that we can keep beating the crap out of the poor and enriching the few and there will be no adverse consequences to society or nature.  We will soon find out how deadly wrong he is.

“My plan is this: to place before mankind the alternatives of sharing and death. No-one in truth could for mankind choose the latter, for that death would be shameful and bitter indeed, unlike your blackest fears. My friends, there is a way of Hope. There is a way into the Light. That simple way lies through Brotherhood and Love. Many times before have you heard this.
Nevertheless, mankind yet awaits its fulfilment.”
- Messages from Maitreya the Christ

The majority of opposition to real policy agreements that could halt changes in
our atmosphere and possibly reverse climate damage may be simple
pragmatism. What we have now is working in the short term for very many
people and industries.. And despite the science and the protest there are no
easy answers.

Oh sure there are real bad guys who are in the fight to stifle change and new
technologies for personal profit. Plus demagogues seeking power and
influence.. and of course lots of plain ignorant folks..

But look around.. I have been.

Current energy policy, transportation choices, power grids, pipelines, banking
and financing (and a huge list of things that would fill volumes even if I could
name half of them!) All mesh together to form one sprawling integrated (even if
imperfectly so) mechanism/organism..

The carbon economy employs people and makes sums of money that if
comprised of $100USD bills stacked one on another would reach to the moon
(or some such unbelievable but true statistic).. Everything depends on it.. and
no one knows how the huge food-deserts of modern cities and metropolitan
areas could survive for more than a few days if the oil/coal/gas spigot were to
be turned off.

More than that.. government takes a slice of the pie at every step. At the pump
in sales and excise tax. Pipeline and lease taxes and assessments. Indirectly
through payroll taxes (again, many more ways than I could know or list) ..
Government and the carbon industry are codependent .. and mutual facilitators
in their dysfunction! How are those monies to be replaced? More than any
individual or group government is not going to tinker with it’s own source of
funding.

And here’s more reality.. everyday more iron and aluminum is clawed from the
earth, more combustion engines are manufactured, more soil is paved over for
more roads and highways.. more people get into more cars and trucks (and
buses) to clog more and more of the roadways.. and they have to! The way our
towns and cities are laid out there is no alternative, even for the rare individual
who would freely give up their car or SUV.

The status quo is a huge interlocked mechanism or organism.. it doesn’t work
right and produces too much waste and many losers as well as winners.. BUT
IT’S TOO BIG TO STOP.. at least without radical changes and adjustments. Ideas
and actions way off the map of proposals by any but the most ardent cave-
dwelling nature huggers (of which I may well be one!). The kinds of changes
that elected officials, especially those funded by the whole poisonous process,
are not going to accept or propose.

It’s worth pointing out that even in nature no system is permanent and no
organism is limitless or unchanging.. so it seems major changes will come one
way or another.. I have not made up my mind on whether I want to be around
to see it.

Adios!

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html

I read this while stuck in my house due to extreme snowfall.

Obama is scum.  And indeed, the excusing propaganda spread about his corrupt inaction and actions displaying clear right wing policies is sickening.  You can’t make some pathetic “compromise” among your little clique of elite right wing politicians, leaving out the billions of people in the world who see that climate change, that fossil fuels need to be STOPPED if we are to survive.

The enemy of Nature is Capitalism. Unbridled, unregulated and greedy. It is killing us.

QUOTE (Bill McKibben):

“Obama’s delegation in Cancún has been arguing for an agreement that would limit atmospheric concentrations of CO2 to 450 parts per million, and the cuts they’ve been proposing might actually produce a world of about 550 parts per million.”
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In his January, 2009 inauguration speech, Obama said, “We will restore science to its rightful place.” He didn’t say which century he would place it way Right back into.

Why is Obama ignoring science? Well, that’s because profiting from pollution is the “progressive” stimulus banksters require for the next bubble; and the profits from the Final Solution of climate wars are sure to be most “historic” ... in that final chapter of “civilization’s” history of violence.

Obama should get another preemptive “Peace” Prize for those climate wars (that will end all wars) that his environmental policy now will make “necessary” soon.

One massive step toward educating ordinary people on climate change is to break through to Protestant ministers, preachers, etc., and in a “non-threatening” way.  That is, don’t try to “convert” them or tell them they are wrong. Try to educate them on the dangers of preaching against climate change and for the “end times.” 

This will be hard, because the “end times” myth is not only “authenticated” by religious legend but is a powerful way of urging people to “be good,” to obey religious stictures etc.  Likewise, there is need to make the necessity of saving the planet a RELIGIOUS task as such.  “This is the land which God made and gave to us for our keeping,” etc. etc. “For centuries people have lived creating and advancing technologies dependant upon “dirty” energy. But now that dirty energy has caused an irreversible change in earth’s environment.

“Those changes are signs that God wants us to take care of His earth, not destroy it. Only recently have people discovered changes that make clear what is happening on a vast scale—changes that within 100 years or less will make it impossible to inhabit large areas and people will have nowhere to go.  God is speaking now through these changes—warmer climates everywhere, leading to water shortage, etc. etc. etc.  In this way He is showing us what we need to do, etc. etc.”

Understand—this is not a “LANGUAGE” that appeals to me personally, but I know a lot of people who will only listen to 350.org statements if they are couched in these terms.  I know this way of talking is repulsive to scientists, but ... scientists are not the ones who need to be convinced. And scientific language is repulsive to religious people, whose generally widespread problem is lack of sufficient education. But we can’t ignore them, or criticize them because it’s NOT their fault. The problem of “language” here has to be addressed and if we can reach the religious leaders, they’ll do the rest. 

Your thoughts?