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Posted on Jan 10, 2011
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A young protester with a painted face demonstrates in central Athens during an anti-war rally back in 2007.

By Chris Hedges

Power does not rest with the electorate. It does not reside with either of the two major political parties. It is not represented by the press. It is not arbitrated by a judiciary that protects us from predators. Power rests with corporations. And corporations gain very lucrative profits from war, even wars we have no chance of winning. All polite appeals to the formal systems of power will not end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We must physically obstruct the war machine or accept a role as its accomplice. 

The moratorium on anti-war protests in 2004 was designed to help elect the Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry. It was a foolish and humiliating concession. Kerry snapped to salute like a windup doll when he was nominated. He talked endlessly about victory in Iraq. He assured the country that he would not have withdrawn from Fallujah. And by the time George W. Bush was elected for another term the anti-war movement had lost its momentum. The effort to return Congress to Democratic control in 2006 and end the war in Iraq became another sad lesson in incredulity. The Democratic Party, once in the majority, funded and expanded the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. And Barack Obama in 2008 proved to be yet another advertising gimmick for the corporate and military elite. All our efforts to work within the political process to stop these wars have been abject and miserable failures. And while we wasted our time, tens of thousands of Iraqi, Afghan and Pakistani civilians, as well as U.S. soldiers and Marines, were traumatized, maimed and killed. 

Either you are against war or you are not. Either you use your bodies to defy the war makers and weapons manufacturers until the wars end or you do not. Either you have the dignity and strength of character to denounce those who ridicule or ignore your core moral beliefs—including Obama—or you do not. Either you stand for something or you do not. And because so many in the anti-war movement proved to be weak and naive in 2004, 2006 and 2008 we will have to start over. This time we must build an anti-war movement that will hold fast. We must defy the entire system. We must acknowledge that it is not our job to help Democrats win elections. The Democratic Party has amply proved, by its failure to stand up for working men and women, its slavishness to Wall Street and its refusal to end these wars, that it cannot be trusted. We must trust only ourselves. And we must disrupt the system. The next chance, in case you missed the last one, to protest these wars will come Saturday, March 19, the eighth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq. Street demonstrations are scheduled in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Washington, D.C. You can find details on www.answercoalition.org/national/index.html.

We are spending, much of it through the accumulation of debt, nearly a trillion dollars a year to pay for these wars. We drive up the deficits to wage war while we have more than 30 million people unemployed, some 40 million people living in poverty and tens of millions more in a category euphemistically called “near poverty.” The profits of weapons manufacturers and private contractors have quadrupled since the invasion of Afghanistan. But the cost for corporate greed has been chronic and long-term unemployment and underemployment and the slashing of federal and state services. The corporations, no matter how badly the wars are going, make huge profits from the conflicts. They have no interest in turning off their money-making machine. Let Iraqis die. Let Afghans die. Let Pakistanis die. Let our own die. And the mandarins in Congress and the White House, along with their court jesters on the television news shows, cynically “feel our pain” and sell us out for bundles of corporate cash.

Michael Prysner, a veteran of the Iraq War and one of the co-founders of March Forward!, gets it. His group is one of those organizing the March 19 protests. Prysner joined the Army out of high school in June 2001. He was part of the Iraq invasion force. He worked during the war in Iraq tracking targets and calling in airstrikes and artillery barrages. He took part in nighttime raids on Iraqi homes. He worked as an interrogator. He did ground surveillance missions and protected convoys. He left the Army in 2005, disgusted by the war and the lies told to sustain it. He has been involved since leaving the military in anti-recruiting drives at high schools and street protests. He was arrested with 130 others in front of the White House during the Dec. 16 anti-war protest organized by Veterans for Peace.

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“I believed going into the war that we were there to help the Iraqi people and find weapons of mass destruction,” he said when we spoke a few days ago. “But it quickly became clear that these two reasons for the war were absolutely false. If you mentioned weapons of mass destruction to intelligence officers they would laugh at you. It was not even part of the mission to look for these things. If it was part of the mission I would have known because I was part of the only intelligence company in the north of the country. I thought that maybe we were there to help the Iraqi people, but all I saw when I was there was Iraqis brutalized and their living conditions deteriorate drastically. Iraqis would tell me we were worse than Saddam. I soon realized there was a different purpose for the war, that we were putting in place a permanent military occupation. It was my firsthand experience during my deployment that showed me the reality of the Iraq War and led me to begin to question U.S. foreign policy. I began to wonder what U.S. foreign policy as a whole was about. I saw that Iraq was a microcosm. The U.S. military is used to conquer countries for the rich, to seize markets, land, resources and labor for Wall Street. This is what drives U.S. foreign policy.”


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By LocalHero, January 30, 2011 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

From Hedges’ column—

“One of our members [of March Forward!], who joined our group about a month ago, is in Iraq now. He told me yesterday that he was hit harder than he has ever been hit on his nine months of deployment.”

Am I missing something here? If this fellow is a member of your organization, what in the holy hell is he doing re-deploying to Iraq? REFUSE TO GO! That is the only honorable thing to do. If members of your organization can’t even stand up for their convictions, what hope is there that any other of these arrested adolescents who march off to murder people will? Get a spine!

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By LocalHero, January 30, 2011 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Best, your solution is just more of the same. Did you even read Hedges’ column?

“We need to build an independent political movement that is OUTSIDE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT. This is the only way we have ever won real victories in our history.”

There is nothing revolutionary about a Con-Con or the establishment of a political party WITHIN THIS SYSTEM. The system is evil & entirely rotten. It’s time to starve The Beast.

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By criticalmash, January 24, 2011 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

President Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board has been renamed the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

We’re in a mess because we had a financial crisis, not because American companies are not globally competitive. This “shift” Obama has undertaken is a solidification of the status quo, that is, what’s good for corporations is good for America, what’s good for corporations is good for the economy-at-large. Unemployment is 10% statistically, probably closer to 15% unofficially (and at 20% and more in different cities and regions) but corporate profits are hitting new records. Is this economic success? The interests of so-called “American” corporations (profits) and those of the majority of Americans (gainful employment), which were never the same, are more detached than ever before.

Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of GE, has been appointed to head the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Fewer than half of GE’s workers are based in the United States and less than half its revenues come from U.S. operations. In other words, G.E.’s fortunes have less and less to do with U.S. prosperity. G.E. derives more revenue from its financial operations than it does from manufacturing. GE Capital was a big beneficiary of the Wall Street bailout.

Mr. Obama is now talking about corporate tax cuts and greater deregulation.

This is the ideology that brought the financial/economic meltdown of 2008.  Perhaps not so surprisingly, the ideology rather than the economy has made a complete recovery. The oligarchy continues to coalesce. The power and influence of America’s banks and corporations is simply too entrenched for the electorate to change things in their favor with their vote. The system is one where the fox and the hen house are the same. There is no solution at the voting booth. Either we sit and watch the status quo quietly erode the quality of life of millions of Americans, a melting away of the middle class and the irretrievable loss of millions of others to poverty, or the American majority exercises its power of abstention and creates a socio-political crisis, sooner rather than later. Either the politicians will be forced to act on the majority’s behalf or they will preside over the destruction of the American democracy. That’s right - an ultimatum.

From this point on, refuse to be a sleepy participant in the sham democracy: boycott ALL elections; advocate for a boycott of ALL elections; encourage a boycott of ALL elections. Be a part of the stealth revolution. Do something great by doing nothing at all. Boycott ALL elections.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, January 22, 2011 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

Among the several things cammy suggests, this passage,  “So any more “independent political movements” need to be carefully planned and maintained and there needs to be an element within that works kind of like the CIA does….only in a good way…to keep a strict watch over those that are partaking and watch for signs of dis tractors….....”  seems particularly relevant, practical, timely, and recognized that new political mechanisms must be developed to minimize corruption.  To paraphrase, Jeffersons “Continuos vigilance’ adapted for the modern day.  Washington did warn against political parties. 

The ‘quasi-commune’ approach of others renders us pitifully weak against global forces such as China and any Trans-national Corp that is predatory, and that is their nature…....the non-predatory ones were assimilated or dies long ago. 

So, yes to Cammy’s suggestion…..that the next time a political party seems to coalesce….....it needs to reject those members that succumb to corporate money with strings attached, like the Koch monies. 

Frankly, I doubt if the Nation is salvageable and can return to a Democracy, but if it is possible, analytical leadership that recognize and submit to mechanisms that limit human corruptibility will be needed.  Failing that, I’m with TAO.  HokaHey!

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By Anarcissie, January 22, 2011 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

cammy—My guess is that any political movement which gains political power in the traditional ways (for instance, by winning elections) will be quickly corrupted, especially in the matter of such issues as important to the ruling class as banking and control of money.  It is very easy to bribe candidates and electorates with big campaign contributions.  Hence I think it might be more productive to try to cultivate institutions which remained in the control of their users as a matter of their intrinsic structure, like (in the case of banking) credit unions.  Credit unions are not incorruptible, of course, but when they did sell out the sell-out would be visible.

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By cammy, January 21, 2011 at 11:06 pm Link to this comment

There is one element that is continually left out of this equation. That is the International Central Banking System, which controls most credit for personal, government, and military spending (and pretty much everything in between….and Expanding).

Corporations cannot be possible without a centralized banking system. Even smaller businesses rely on bankers to fulfill both short term payrolls and longer term investing.

We don’t need Central Banks. This country survived fine without them. The problems they cause are too horrendous.

We can complain about corporations until kingdom-come, but there will be no change UNTIL the Central Banking system scam is addressed fully and openly.

The targets in the Middle East, as well as other places around the planet usually have either of two situations (sometimes both):

Either the nation we bomb is not participating in the Usury system OR it is socialist.

I had to laugh today when I heard Hu Jintao say that China is working on becoming a Socialist Democracy. I could just see all those Neo-Cons and Bank-backers of both parties wincing. Funny, because for once the U.S. can’t do a damn thing about it… China has the upper hand.

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By cammy, January 21, 2011 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

Prysner is right, the only way is an independent political movement. The Tea Partyers tried it and got infiltrated and co-opted by the likes of the Koch Brothers.

So any more “independent political movements” need to be carefully planned and maintained and there needs to be an element within that works kind of like the CIA does….only in a good way…to keep a strict watch over those that are partaking and watch for signs of distractors and such ( A covert team ).

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By Nixon is Lord, January 20, 2011 at 6:01 am Link to this comment
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“Buy jobs”?  How do you “buy jobs”?  Do you create make work positions, like ACORN or some other boondoggle?
  The government is corrupt, but more of us should either work for it or become totally dependent on it?
  How many of us have to go to college?  Do we need more “Ethnic Area Studies” majors?  How about a Moment of Science in schools?
  Hedges is a typical former preacher who thinks he has a “Prophetic ministry”.
  As a side observation, why do these demonstrations never happen anywhere in the South?  Either you’re afraid of the South or you think they agree with you completely about Iraq.  Either way, there are a lot more people in Atlanta than San Francisco; either that, or these demonstrations will remain about as diverse as the Unitarians or Quakers.

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By TAO Walker, January 19, 2011 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

Except to note that “criticalmash” seems to be having an ad hominem shit-fit over the mere suggestion from this Old Savage there might be some viable option outside the death-dealing CON-TRAP-tion s/he insists (as vehemently as idiotically) is all that exists, the less precious attention paid to such bankrupt fulminations the better.  S/he comes-across as just another desperate ‘tool’ of those forces loose in our Living Arrangement obviously hell-bent on destroying us ALL.

Meantime, here’s a Way our presently captive Sisters and Brothers could actually respond with mutually beneficial effect to their particularly devastating ‘portion’ of our common predicament.  Those who are so adamantly attached to their own make-believe “self” they won’t under any circumstances try to get free of its grip needn’t bother to read further, because the information will be of no use to ‘em.

Try this.  Natural Persons ORGAN-ized as genuine Human Communities can bring an end to this “global” disease draining their own Vitality, along with our Mother Earth’s, by ‘fasting’ for forty days and forty nights from all eCONomic activity.  Amongst them they will already have much of the means to meet truly essential needs for that time.  What’s more, as genuine ORGANic Communities their access to everything they truly need that is still available in the larger Living Arrangement will also be restored.

If you’re sick-and-tired of being bought-and-sold, Sisters and Brothers, stop buying-and-selling each other and all the rest of us here…for forty days and nights….to be free of it forever.

HokaHey!

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By criticalmash, January 19, 2011 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment

Ah, yes, it’s all about taste, isn’t it? If a word as meek as “droll” can upset you so, it’s no surprise then you prefer the status quo, any status quo. As for the power elite not giving a whit, I disagree. You seem to think that a 5% voter turnout would be without real consequences. You lack an imagination, to say the least. And: “if you can negotiate, you’re there.” That sounds like, “if you can vote for Obama, and he wins, you’re there.” Maybe you’re the anonymous infiltrator here, Mr. Best, because your bromides are sleeping pills for an electorate that needs anything but. BTW, you can find me at 165 West 66th Street, NYC. Ask the doorman for Mr. Esposito. He’ll bring you to me. But don’t come if the idea of an election boycott puts your knickers in a twist. Read some history. Boycotts have had success along the way despite the disapproval of the sleepwalkers of a given era.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, January 19, 2011 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

The power elite will not give a whit if 85% or 95
% or 99.9% boycott.  However, if 10% organize a convention, that would be quite a serious development.  Even having 10% or more supporting a single third party would get serious attention.

The ‘power elite’ will immediately try first to, ignore.  Then infiltrate and corrupt, the second most cost-effective solution.  However, should a constitutional convention or a third party elect serious leadership, the power elite will negotiate.  Oh, yes, they might try to intimidate as one of the options, but if you can negotiate, you’re there.  To negotiate with bodies behind you is all that can be hoped for, and all that need be done.  If anyone thinks they can take what the power elite controls, especially by sitting on the sideline waiting, they are mistaken.

As for the argument that the leadership of a constitutional convention or third party be any better than the existing parties hierarchy…....perhaps yes, perhaps no.  You get out of a thing what you put into it.  It takes work, something not too many people (except our global competitors) seem to grasp.

Three very general options….1) waste time doing nothing, boycott, etc.  2) use the system well, then negotiate for real gains.  3) worldwide system collapse.  In my opinion, some in this forum seem to secretly or overtly wish for option 3.  Go talk to someone who’s lived a part of their life in the third world or under a state controlled economy.  In chaos, ugliness dominates. 

In conclusion, your use of the term ‘droll’ says quite a bit about your character.  I ask why do I waste my time here?  And perhaps that is part of your agenda, anonymous “criticalmash”, to just make the place a little less palatable?  Well, if you boycott and slur, Mr. anonymous criticalmash, you’re simply without any taste.

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By garth, January 19, 2011 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

John Best,

All I can say about your posts is that a British accent on tv rates about a 10 to 20% in credibility right at the start, no matter what they say.

Your personal image of an anglo or, at least, an anglophile, notwithstanding, I am left with with the straight interpration of your text.

And there’s the rub.

I find your views troublesome, to say the least.

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By loneagle, January 19, 2011 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment
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No, a voter boycott is worthless. The powers that be
couldn’t care less, they will continue with their plans
unheeded just like they do when we do vote. The
answer will lie in community, where we take care of
ourselves by taking car of eachother. The plan is to
disempower the workforce, make us dependent on the
corps for everything, willing to take any job. It is well
on the way. The answer will lie in community, local
production, warehousing and distribution. A boycott
of sorts but more a turning away, and getting busy.

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By criticalmash, January 19, 2011 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

John Best, I can appreciate your sober preference for a constitutional convention, but, really, sir, who would preside over that but the same power that presides over the so-called democracy? Talk about wasted breath, although network news would create some great theater for all the patriots; I get goosebumps just thinking about it. It’s naive, at best, Mr. Best. As for continuing the status quo, that is not a position if one agrees that elections are no longer an agent for change. Good heavens. And this: “Will anyone care in the slightest if you boycott?” Well, that depends on who “you” is. If “you” means 85% of the electorate, then, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion. Obviously, I speak not of a symbolic boycott but of a severe one. If you’re not a part of it this year or in 2012 or thereafter, who will care? My care is that eventually, it does get to a 15% voter turnout; whenever that happens, people even as droll as you will care. As for the “fully developed solution leading to a positive outcome,” this is the stuff of a meeting room at the Hilton. If you must go there, then, mess your hair a little and go there on every election day from here on until enough people do the same so that we can, you betcha, disrupt the status quo.

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By Anarcissie, January 19, 2011 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment

John Best, January 19 at 6:07 pm:

‘... To those who run about screaming ‘crash it’ or ‘boycott’, I again say you are indistinguishable from agents of the existing political class.  Give me a more fully developed solution leading to a positive outcome, or save your breath.’

Usually the theory is that, besides withdrawing from or obstructing present political processes, the activists will do something else.  One seldom gets to the ‘something else’ because one first has to argue with those who insist that existing processes and institutions can be reformed.  In any case, as something of a something-elser myself, I’ve found that once you do get to the something else, everyone gets bored and the conversation comes to an end.  Perhaps your request answers itself: propose a more fully developed solution and save your breath, in the ensuing silence.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, January 19, 2011 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

TAO, Your conclusion, “The bleak view of Human Nature expressed by “John Best” has been acquired solely within the CONfines of the virtual world-o’-hurt which is in-turn a ‘product’ of the disease process.” is incorrect.  You missed my point. 

Others, I find the conclusion to boycott elections disturbing.  That you’ve arrived at the same conclusion as certain other factions calls your motivation and alliances into question, especially since there is no logical connection to a positive outcome for improvement.  The only outcome that is indeed assured is the continuation of the status quo, since really, will anybody even care the slightest if you boycott?  Does anyone care about low voter turnout now?  No.  If I can choose between the ‘crash the system’ approach and say something more challenging, yes, but deterministic, like a constitutional convention, I choose the latter.

To those who run about screaming ‘crash it’ or ‘boycott’, I again say you are indistinguishable from agents of the existing political class.  Give me a more fully developed solution leading to a positive outcome, or save your breath.

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By criticalmash, January 19, 2011 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

Fair enough, garth. Well said. (Also, interesting info on your 2008 election experience, btw.) And what old Mic Mac said, that it aint trouble ‘til it’s your trouble, I hope that is what happens with a severe Boycott of All Elections, that what doesn’t feel like trouble right now will be clear and present trouble for a vast majority of Americans and lest something be done about it then we go the way of the Bolivians and Tunisians. Most people never think of that as a possibility in America bc it’s too big or too, more or less, content within the middle class but that has changed statistically, will continue to change even steeper and the demographics (aging Boomers need govt $$$) and fiscal limitations in DC and the states will sooner rather than later create an unstable socio-economic environment where the very size of the US will become a detriment. This is not wishful thinking (I have too much skin in the game to want to see this come about) but this is a very real, and unfortunate, possibility. But if Boycotting All Elections is what it takes to get their attention, then so be it. I’ll be a part of that.

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By garth, January 19, 2011 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

By criticalmash, January 19

I agree with you and loneagle in your cynicism.  After all, the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004 were stolen, and the landslide nature of the election of 2008 was swayed by the fact that local election commissions tampered with the voting registry. 

For example, I could not vote because, 50% of the voter registry was mysteriously deleted.  However, my wife could vote.  She’s black; I am white.

I live in a section of the city that is old European ethnic, and I think that they simply could not take the chance of a bad showing for the darling of the post-racial America.

Let’s face it, McCain was and is a failure, and there was no way I would’ve voted for him. 

But my issue is with the nature of your comments.  Even though, I’ve heard that the success of the the Republicans in the last owes mainly to the Congressional District where untraceable touch-screen voting machines were used, I still have an embedded faith in Democracy. 

And right now, we’ve got precious little of that left.

If we could be as smart as Bolivians and, most recently, the Tunisians, we could, or most of us could, drop what we are doing and unite around a single cause i.e., “We are being screwed, and they haven’t even bought us as much as a lunch.”

An old Mic Mac Indian (that’s how he referred to himself as) said, “It ain’t trouble til it’s trouble for you.”

We ought to make trouble for them before they make trouble for us. 

It’s the American way.

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By Rixar13, January 19, 2011 at 11:19 am Link to this comment
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“Even Lost Wars Make Corporations Rich”

I’m a Vietnam Veteran Against the Wars… Smile grin

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By Juliano, January 19, 2011 at 11:17 am Link to this comment
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it takes COURAGE to see through what is going on—-to say NO to authority when it is wrong. You may be on your own doing this. Somepoeple are aware, but they look around and wait for movements to happen—which is still conformity.
The feeling we have that stops many of us saying no is——fear, Fear of discomfort, and of death. Theres all different kinds of deaths, including the final one LOL
But the bottom line is not waiting for others, but to take responsibility yourself for what you see, feel, and then act from that in which ever way you can.

At Youtube they have videos of psychological experiments where peoples conformity is tested—-One famous one was done in the 1950s. These men in whitecoats, with clipboards (ie., they were pretending to be ‘authority’) tell these unsuspecting test subjects to press this button which will electrocute someone else in another room so they will learn. Of course the person is an actor but they dont know this is all a set up. In the video you see this guy continue to press this button, and increase the ‘voltage’ even when he can hear this other person scream, and he keeps saying to the whitecoat “is this RIGHT” and when told by AUTHORITY it is he continues until there is quiet in the other room, making out he has either diabled the person or killed him!

Another one is a ‘guard’/authority on a a nearly empty train and telling people to move to the next empty seat. You see these people—seeing the uniform/authority—just move. They dont even ask why.

Another. A group of students and their turor are in on this but one student is unsuspecting. They all argue that a line drawn on the blackboard is of the same length of another one. Obviously they are not, and in the vid you see the bemused expression on this student’s face, but soon in order to conform he agrees it is the same length. he doesn’t wanna step out of ...line!

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By criticalmash, January 19, 2011 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

Thank you, loneagle, for putting it so succinctly:
“Anyone who believes we can disrupt the power structure at the ballot box anymore, is just an idiot clear and simple.”
I would have left out the part about being an idiot but, yes, the ballot box is in fact no longer an agent for change. That is why I want to push the idea of Boycotting ALL Elections to create a real crisis in the democracy (an overt crisis, that is, not the covert one that exists today). Only when the system is near collapse will the status quo change, either by drastic reform to save the democracy (which is hardly a given since politicians are a craven bunch) or by full-scale revolution. (Revolutions are not created by an idea or by a person or people pushing that idea; it takes dire and desperate conditions for people en masse to let go of everything they own, physically and philosophically, and attack an oppressor. Collapse the system. Strip it of the one thing that makes it still look like a democracy - the voting booth. Leave them empty on election day, every election day. Create the crisis that will destroy the status quo and let revolution fill the vacuum. If its a true democracy that Americans want, then they’ll put it in place. If not, then, so be it. At least the people will have had their chance to choose. Right now, it’s all gone.

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By criticalmash, January 19, 2011 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

How embarrassing for TAO Talker to be pontificating so outside and above it all but then when He/She gets the chance to associate him/herself with Harvard! he/she nearly trips over his/her own feet to do so. For all your words, TAO Talker, you could have saved us all a lot of trouble reading you by just being honest with these four words: “I have given up.” That’s all you’ve done, which being the Indi’n that you are, (or wanna be), makes perfect sense since that is what the group of you have done - given up. Which is okay for you and yours but not for most everybody else on this young planet. This “given up” condition you suffer under has also made you a poor reader (by ILLness or DEsign), for nothing in my text suggests that I would let an “energy-dependent undead entity” (Can you be more supercilious, Old Man-Woman?) invade my body untreated. But such is the way of these on-line discourses. TAO Talker gets to be the Rush Limbaugh of the Once-Great-Nation and hang up on anyone who pulls the curtain away to reveal a stuttering Old Man-Woman with stale and bloodless ideas, trying in vain to make them sound oh so special and - wait - DEEP. For example, this: “It’s always sort of bizarre ‘hearing’ someone enmeshed in the blinding delirium of the “civilization” disease fever-dream claim that those of us who’re free of its delusions somehow aren’t seeing things clearly.” That’s embarrassing stuff, right there. Feeble and empty of anything approaching a real thought or idea. It’s solipsistic bilge that alchemically makes you feel smart and, I suppose, accomplished. Your need for this is apparent in the way you tried to make the most tenuous connection to Harvard! The Commons! by bragging your greatgranddaughter might not have gone to Harvard! The Commons! but she did a “stint” in a Harvard! affiliated foundation. Wow! You actually have a fear-ridden SELFish fever-dreamer right there in your own fully-enlightened family. Such a disappointment she must be. You’re an embarrassment, Old Man/Woman. Time has passed you by and you have nothing to show for it. Thank the Great Old Turtle for the internet where you can pretend at what you could never be. But, TAO Talker, I am a generous soul and a healer at heart. I will give you one last chance to show us all here that you can be smart and straightforward, coherent and genuinely erudite. We all await your wisdom. We’re rooting for you, Old Man/Woman. We want you to succeed. Go…

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By TAO Walker, January 18, 2011 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

This Old Indi’n has in-fact crossed paths with “loneagle” at The-Place-of-the-Red-Willow….though not for eight-or-nine Winters.  He probably knows that Harvard was founded with a “mission” to educate “the natives,” and still opens its ‘doors,’ free-of-charge, to those who can meet basic entrance requirements….which this Person maybe could’ve done (“thanks” to the forced ministrations of the BIA “boarding school” system), but did not.

A GreatGrandDaughter, however, holder of a Boston University M.S. in Public Health, just wrapped-up a 15-month stint with a Harvard-affiliated foundation working with Womens’ and Childrens’ health issues in violence-torn parts of Africa.  So The Commons and Harvard Square is not altogether unfamiliar Ground. 

This Old Man is actually trying to ‘talk-to’ the Natural Person still alive (but overshadowed by the make-believe “self”) in all of our tame Sisters and Brothers.  It is this truly idiotic “individual” IDentity that reacts so defensively to challenges to its disease-induced “hegemony” over the Natural Person….so many of whom remain CONvinced they ARE this occupying ersatz ‘entity.’

The Natural Language of Organic Functional Integrity isn’t intelligible, as such, to the CONfused mind of the “self,” but is Music to the Good Hearts of Human Persons.  So this Old Savage will keep singin’ it while their might still be some Good Hearts to hear.

Meantime, Uncle Old Man Turtle is keeping the big Talking Stick handy….for those whose precious attention can’t be gotten any Way except The-Hard-Way.

HokaHey!

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, January 18, 2011 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment

So next time “criticalmash” gets gets some kind of virulent infection s/he will not only do nothing to address it, but will actively suppress his/her own immune function to let the invading “energy”-dependent undead entity have its “natural” ‘way’ with her/his own actual physical body?  It’s always sort of bizarre ‘hearing’ someone enmeshed in the blinding delirium of the “civilization” disease fever-dream claim that those of us who’re free of its delusions somehow aren’t seeing things clearly.

It’s likely that “radson,” too, has noticed how increasingly CONcrete people become, sense-of-humor-wise, the more ‘set’ they get in the CONstricting limits of their make-believe “self.”  It seems their tendency to be amused at ‘others’ expense grows inversely to the loss of an otherwise natural capacity to laugh at their ownself.   

The bleak view of Human Nature expressed by “John Best” has been acquired solely within the CONfines of the virtual world-o’-hurt which is in-turn a ‘product’ of the disease process.  “Juliano” reminds us that all those ills to which homo domesticus is heir can be traced directly to their having lost their sense of Humanity’s place in the Natural Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth….the worst disaster that can befall a Person or a People, the Ancients tell us.

The unbearable isolation of fear-ridden “self”-ishness isn’t known among Native Peoples everywhere as ‘hell’ for no reason.

HokaHey!

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By loneagle, January 18, 2011 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment
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Interesting the slant Tao walker takes this group off
on. Gotta hand it to him. He’s as right as ole Chris
Hedges is, and truth be told, there’s not that many
around who see. Where he engenders controversy is
not so much what he says but the way he says it,
which is talkin down to people. That most people are
unknowing of the true state our world’s in can hardly
be denied, but still, even non-idiots react poorly to
being talked to like they’re idiots. If he is a real in-din,
he’s an uncommon one for being so
multidimensionally well versed is not something you
run into much in in-din country. Maybe he went to
Harvard. I know, for even though my handle might
sound in-din, I ain’t no such thing, just regular gringo
who happens to have lived in that town Mike Reynolds
has been practicing his arcane arts, for almost 40
years. If Tao walker’s from around here, he’s a rare
one and though I would have liked to, I never met the
likes of him.  But all that’s neither here nor there, for,
fact is, he speaks truth from outside the cloud of
unknowing where most of us reside. Anyone who
believes we can disrupt the power structure at the
ballotbox anymore, is just an idiot clear and simple,
and though many are good at heart and well meaning,
they still need to be smacked in the head by a 2x4 or
worse, before they’re even gonna get a clue. Tao
walker is swingin a 2x4 with some skill if you didn’t
know, and probably holding back, and if you had any
sense you’d be honored to be so smacked upside the
head, however cryptic it may be. While Mr. Hedges is
marchin down mainstreet pumping a baton with a few
scraggly followers in tow,  it’s good to know there are
the likes of Tao walker layin out there in wait
somewhere. Here, pass that jug, I’ll take a pull on
that.

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By garth, January 18, 2011 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

“...there must be mechanisms to remove advantage from the gardeners of self-ishness.  Can such mechanisms come about?”

Note the inquisitive nature of the last question. 

This is the fourth pitch of the recent developments into the mitt of those willing to accept some sort of ‘thought police.’

“Our DNA is what it is.”

As my neice says rather emphatically, “Well, yu-uuuuh!”

“‘Good nature’ is a delicate flower, nasty is a weed.”

The profound poesy leads me to a gentle tug toward ‘eugenics’.

But what is really going on here is the takeover of Foundations.  The Ford foundation for one, long a supporter of counter-insurgency in the states and dating back to the 60s.

Look at PBS evening news.  Foundations give it that different yet the same flavor.

FreeSpeechTV had a fund raiser last month.  Their goal was $400,000.  They got 30,000.  (I gave if only to get a book by Bill Moyers.  i’ll never give again.)

In a public message, Freespeechtv thanked all those who donated.

Donating to these shows of Foundations is just to allow them to get a show of hands. 

The question that they raise is this: “Who among you out their in tv land is stupid enough to believe that we are bringing you as honest un-biased reporting?”

All the rest of what you hear and read, MSM, Cable News, especially FOX, and the the press are delivering news stories that fall between the parameters of A to B.

Make up your own news.

Ask yourself before a news story, “Where are they going with this?” 

Be a homicide detective. 

Don’t be derailed.  Now is not the time for hero worship.  They are all rat-bastards and gyno-brats as worthless as a nun’s cunt.

It’s up to you and me.

Juan Cole said it this morning on a moment of lucidity for DemocracyNow!: “Revolutions are started from a multitude of causes:  people starving, farmers being shafted, students unable to find jobs, disregard of veterans—a whole host of issues.”

And that’s what these Unknowns Individuals, these scabs of society are trying to pull: as MarthaA pointed out, a stasis, a balance of Socio-economic beliefs to the far right, leading to a belabored description of Fascism.

Think for a moment of yourself growing up in a ‘pleasure dome.’  You shit and you piss and the maid and the manservant wipe your ass and follow your commands and ‘don’t make eye contact’. 
(Boy, someday’s I’d love to have someone wipe my ass.) 

Think about how you’d feel about your fellow human being.  If he just wiped your ass, or gave you money under false pretenses?

(You gotta hold fast to the belief that you are better than others and you can act so overtly.  For the normal or average human, it takes a lot of effort.  But those pods have been bred thataway.  They are much like cows.)

JFK insisted on a ‘no eye contact’ rule from the mail delivers when he was US Senator.  That’s according to the brother of Maureen Dowd.  She’s the op-ed writer for the NY Times. 

Take it up with her.

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By John Best asks, "What IS Progress"?, January 18, 2011 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

Rgyle,
A search for some characterization of TAO Walkers writing had yielded nothing adequate, so I thank you for succeeding quite wonderfully in that task.

What people may not give proper weight, is that many of the villains are themselves captured by the power of aggregation of ‘self’ that modern systems provide. 

I am not saying there is not such a thing as ‘evil’, but, it might be recognized that ‘salvageable’ (not good) people empower evil things.  But we are faced with those dilemas that are inherent in our nature.  The prisoners dilema, the problem of the commons, the “if I don’t use all that oil to build a world dominating corporation or national economy, somebody else will”, and by the way, there are millions of retirees depending on me to do so. 

If this mechanism of ‘the most cunning survive’ does mistep or falter through some political actions, some revolution, some temporary anarchy-resemblance, will not a new group of tyrants immediately fill the vacuums? 

If we care about others, even if it is a hypocritical sort of caring rooted in self-preservation, then is it adequate to simply solve problems through ones own ‘self’?  I admire what TAO brings to the discussion, but eventually, there must be mechanisms to remove advantage from the gardeners of self-ishness.  Can such mechanisms come about?  Our DNA is what it is.  ‘Good nature’ is a delicate flower, nasty is a weed.

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By criticalmash, January 18, 2011 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

Thomas Hoenig, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, used the “O” word when describing the degree of power the banks have over politics: Oligarchy.

An oligarchy is a form of government in which all power is vested in a few persons or in a dominant class or group.

In a speech in 1999, shortly after Congress repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, the Depression-era law that separated investment banking from commercial banking, he warned that “in a world dominated by mega-financial institutions, governments could be reluctant to close those that become troubled for fear of systemic effects on the financial system.”

Sure enough, in 2008, the Fed helped sell Bear Stearns to JPMorgan Chase, rescued the American International Group and, after the collapse of Lehman Brothers, bailed out the financial system.

The crisis has only made the biggest banks even bigger. “They have enormous power,” Mr. Hoenig said. “Just look at their lobbying expenses. I use the word — and it’s a fairly flammable word — oligarchy. These things are huge and powerful, and that’s where the money is. This country through its history has abhorred concentration of financial power, and for good reason.”

Mr. Hoenig must retire after he turns 65 in September. He said that he is certain he will not follow other Fed veterans who have gone to work on Wall Street. “I can tell you one thing,” he said. “I’ll never work for a too-big-to-fail bank.”

Commit to a vote of NO-CONFIDENCE in the current democratic system by Boycotting ALL Elections until serious campaign finance reform OR until the system becomes so one-sided the public has no choice but to revolt. Boycott ALL Elections. Advocate for this every chance you get.

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By Juliano, January 18, 2011 at 11:46 am Link to this comment
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The MYSTERY is where are all the posts post 10th of Janulary. Mine which I posted and awaited moderation aint here, and one I just received notification of in my email box aint here neither—so, WTF?!

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By David J. Cyr, January 18, 2011 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

QUOTE (Juliano):

“...it’s the shareholders that OWN A corporation. So the next question would be so who owns the shareholders?”
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The corporations own the shareholders.

Natural persons in America have become as wholly dependent upon corporate persons as a fetus is upon its mother. The corporate persons decide, and the natural persons obey… because the corporate persons provide everything that the natural persons consume.

Yes, I’m aware there are exceptions among the natural persons, but those exceptions are barely enough to populate one small village.

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By Juliano, January 18, 2011 at 5:36 am Link to this comment
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I am researching to do a post for my blog which I am titling ‘the myth of mental illness and the war against entheogens’ because I see an understanding these two issues crucial for digging what is going on.

And that is PROPAGANDA. The whole point of domestication or enslavement is control of consciousness. With animals it is more control of their bodies—though I am not claiming they dont have consciousness of course, but they cannot be feared as to what their ‘future’ may hold like humans can.

The myth of mental illness is exactly that—a myth. The various reactions to brutalization of body and soul manifest as a myriad of ways which the prevailing culture—which wants to control consciousness—-pretends ‘scientifically (though no actual medical tests exist to prove their assertions)are ‘mental illness’. What this ploy does is divert attention away from the culture which in a similar way to is bad soil breeds dis-ease, and blames the person as having an illness. So for example the pharmaceutical industry which was greatly brought into existence by the Nazis and the Rockerfellas will crush all alternative forms of help and healing for people with ‘schizophrenia’ whilst making sure their body and soul damaging ‘medications’ will be making more and more profits for them. They rake in BILLIONS, and even when they get fined for hiding harmful effects , and the fines might be in billions, they STILL make so much more it dont hurt. It is a ‘good’ business. And they DEPEND on us beliving the myth—-that is the bottom line. So if you feel awkward about what I am saying, before you protest dont believe me, find out for yourself. A great book to start with is Robert Whittaker’s Mad In America.

Entheogens. Entheogens or psychedelics are THE sacred medicine. They are the magical fruits of Mother Earth which can open our eyes to see right through the pernicious propaganda. This is a big reason they have been prohibited—not just by modern civilization, but this goes back to the beginnings of them (Shamanism and the Drug Propaganda, Dan Russell). Why? Well because taken rightly the visions undermine oppressive propaganda designed to divide and control. Divide you even from your own senses, body, and ourselves as not just separate organisms, but organisms utterly interelated with nature and other species.
I repeat——-once you begin seeing through their propaganda is the beginnings of responsibility and freedom because propagadists DEPEND on us not being aware of what they are doing!

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By criticalmash, January 17, 2011 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

The problem with TAO Walker’s posts is that they are always beside the point. He only sees today through the nostalgic gauze of yesterday; it would be like talking about men and women today as if they were apes and barely erect primates. As much as he would like it to be otherwise, the human being, as it exists today, is as legitimate a natural force in the universe, on this planet, as a virus, a cancer or a natural disaster. If a collision with a meteor radically changing the earth’s climate and causing the extinction of large and small life forms is a natural event, then a collision with the brain of homo sapien is the same. And, so, if the CONfounding rapaciousness of homo sapien drove, (and continues to drive) to near extinction certain other homo sapiens and species then it is a natural event and there’s no grand scale solution to it. The universe works on the interaction of polar opposite extremes (hot/cold, light/dark, kinetic/static) and so the human brain works in the same way (good/evil, love/hate, aggression/pacifism). We’re born and we die in any number of ways; the homeless are buried in the same earth as Napolean and Lloyd Blankfein. Make the world a better place, yes; but not the one in your head, not the one that serves your personal anger and resentment rather the one immediately around you, the one that can in fact be altered. In closing, boycott ALL elections or continue to vote in vain in this broken democracy while expecting different results. (And we all know what the latter option represents.)

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By garth, January 17, 2011 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

By Juliano, January 15 at 11:16 am

So who owns the corporations then?
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That question gets to the nub of the issue, especially in light of the Supreme Court’s ruling that made Corporations ‘human’ and then the parties that received largesse in the last election refused to reveal where the money came from.  I should think that any of the right-minded shareholders of good will would like to know also.

Before the 2004 election, Kevin Phillips used to harp about the interlocking directorates of these corporations on the Bill Moyers’ show.

One development in the business news gave me a clue.  J.C. Watts an African American Republican US Representative from Oklahoma held a lot of shares in the half-assed bubble that they tried to create
for Krispy Kreme Donuts. 

It worked for a while in the South, but when Krispy Kreme came North, and customers saw just what a rip off the donuts were, sales plummeted and KK Donuts went under.

All these warehouse-looking businesses that sell outdoorsman type junk to the city-dwellers who consider themselves to be Dan’l Boone are another example.  They buy a bunch of reasonably good looking junk and advertise the hell out of it—sell the sizzle not the steak.

In the background, they pass out shares of these bubblish, fly-by-night corporations to lawmakers who accept them thinking they are building generational wealth and then, in return, vote in laws that help the real anaconda-like corporations all the more.

In a year or two, the fad of new, brand named, outdoor wear will fail against the LL Bean competition, and the inventory will dry up.  The companies will disappear, but the laws that will make it easier for the corporate snakes to coil around us and ratchet up their death grip a little tighter will remain.

We never notice it.  Death by business asphyxiation.

Look at the story behind the story for the dot.com bubble.  Who got the IPOs at ridiculously low prices and who got out first?  Companies that never made a product, never made a thing were sold for $billions.

And the rogues took the money and moved in closer to Big Government.  It was like the scene in Godfather II when Al Pacino won the hearts and minds of the Nevada pols. 

This time it looks like they’re moving in for the kill.

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By radson, January 17, 2011 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

Tao Walker

HA ha ha :that was quite the humorous post ,even wild savages have a basic human identity ;it’s called a sense of humor .And yes certain people may have a problem with the ‘debunking syndrome’ that you are referring to ,yet there is a solution its called a Library.

hoka

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By TAO Walker, January 17, 2011 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

The kind words of “Rgyle” are….well, too kind.  This Old Indian has only tried here to describe how the predicament our domesticated Human Relations are in looks from outside of it….from here in Indian Country.  Having to use a language that isn’t this Person’s Native tongue, and one that has been pretty-much severed from its roots in the Natural Language of Organic Function, leads to some difficulties in ‘translation.’

Besides that, of course, the captive peoples have for ten thousand years been misled to believe their own CONdition is not only ‘normal,’ but is much better than the free wild Life of us Natural Peoples they’ve tied to rub-out.  So even the suggestion they’ve been badly fooled upsets many of them.

They don’t like to hear, either, that all of the troubles besetting them are the CONsequences of their “individual”-ity, which is also merely an effect of the “civilization” disease that is draining the Natural Vitality of our Mother Earth.  Can’t really blame ‘em for it.  It’s hard enough to have to face even a possibility that the most cherished beliefs and strongest-held CONvictions are all make-believe, but when that comes from a surviving Primitive Savage it gets to be a real tough thing to swallow.

If there was nothing else to it, maybe resentment and anger would be a ‘reasonable’ reaction.  Offering an actual specific remedy for what ails our tame Sisters and Brothers, though, no matter how unlikely it might sound to them, would count among our People as a sign of both worthwhile knowledge and a genuine intent to help.

That’s probably too plain-and-simple for people who are CONstantly force-fed on diets of “self”-referential political ideology, “self”-righteous religiossified superstition/philosophy, and tons of “self”-satisfying toxic bullshit.

HokaHey!

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By Juliano, January 15, 2011 at 6:16 am Link to this comment
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So who owns the corporations then? Is that a right question? I did a quick Google (to remind myself as I am sure I must have asked this question more than several times), and was told that it is the SHAREHOLDERS who own a corporation. So where do we get to the roots of this?

Some people blame the Jews errrrrr I mean the ‘Zionists’ for the evils in this world. This article mentions that it is the Corporations with the power, but as said according to the ‘Ask a Question’ site it’s the shareholders that OWN A corporation. So the next question would be so who owns the shareholders?

What I need is an animation—like has been done about the Bankers and the money racket—of how corporations work, and where the phony political parties fit into this. And how the responsibilty of the shit we are in is MANY peoples responsibility. Ie., that YES these big orgs are in control, but apathetic people blinded by propaganda put up with them. All this needs closely showing in animated explorations to undermine the propaganda. because they spend a FORTUNE on propaganda!!

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By Rgyle, January 14, 2011 at 7:05 pm Link to this comment

TAO Walker, beautiful. But you already knew that.

Folks, TAO is a very creative communicator, who, if he can’t find the right word
or phrase, he creates one to best express something very subtle, very powerful
and real. Reminds me of another creative truthian, R. Buckminster Fuller, the
engineer/inventor/architect. He was at the end of his rope with grief over the
death of his young daughter, which he blamed himself for, now ready to drown
himself in a frigid Lake Michigan. All of a sudden, he realized that suicide was
not his business, that he, as a manifest lifeform physically and mentally, didn’t
belong to himself. That belonged to the universe from which it came and would
one day return. From that moment on he dedicated his actions to the
betterment of the universe, near and far, without any ‘personal’ considerations
getting in the way. Good resolution. He never again needed anyone to ‘grade
his papers’ nor was he ever again anxious for his next paycheck. He did what
needed to be done, in the moment. And he did well.

The point is: I am not what I think I am, so I do not believe what the mind, or
the senses, tell me. That would be delusional. When one does believe one is a
small, limited, autonomous, separate person, one immediately feels lonely,
tense, fearful, needy, greedy, ambitious, acquisitive, competitive, and so on. All
the key psychographics for defense, destruction, war, empire and
disintegration arise thereby. All of the problems that Mr. Hedges so
passionately keeps pointing out week after week, all of them come down to this
belief in a mind-made ‘me’ having usurped the clear cognition of one’s true
being. What a loss! The greatest tragedy, and comedy, possible, I would
imagine. 

You want to end selfishness, fascism, war? Nip it in the bud within yourself.
Without first doing that, all the activist, revolutionary this and that is
ineffective, if not downright unnecessary.

But, I will grant, that to be interested in what I’m proposing here, one must
truly, like Fuller, be at the end of one’s rope. If not, carry on, the end of the
rope will arrive.

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By plainsman, January 14, 2011 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

@criticalmash

Absolutely.

Not voting is one way to acknowledge the farcical way things are these days; although it makes one feel irresponsible. Spoiling one’s ballot might be more poignant: It says, “None of the above!”

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By TAO Walker, January 14, 2011 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

Let us, by-all-means, do or say nothing to disturb the fragile faith of “criticalmash” in cosmetic political “solutions”....to actually Life-threatening CONditions.

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, January 14, 2011 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment

It does get a little tedious trying to converse to any mutually beneficial effect with a thin-skinned “individual” who can’t seem to take “yes” for an answer.  What “plainsman” maybe doesn’t want to come to grips with is that it makes no difference whatsoever, organic function-wise, whether “we’re all fucked” or not.  A Human Heart, for example, subject to all the abuse “modern” peoples can CONtrive, a Heart struggling to fulfill its vital organic function despite the effects of even ongoing abuse, will faithfully do the best it can for as long as it can….free of all the debilitating and paralyzing CONfusion and CONflict that goes (everywhere and always) with the make-believe “self.”

What is apparent from the refusal of “plainsman” to engage on substance, while remaining obsessed with mere ‘style,’ is his unwillingness to acknowledge that of all those participating here, at-least this Old Savage is offering both a specific and succinct diagnosis of the “global” syndrome and a specific remedy for it.  This Indian doesn’t “complain about civilization.”  “Civilization” IS a ‘complaint,’ in the commonsensical understanding of any complex of symptoms that is recognized as being indicative of a sickness.

The Medicine, for both Earth and infected “individuals” among Her Human Children, is recovering a sufficiency of the Organic Functional Integrity of Humanity, as a vital component in Her immune system.  That can only come through the spontaneous re-emergence into our Living Arrangement of enough of the Natural Organic Form of Humanity (Organic Community) to effectively respond in a healing and restorative Way to what ails us ALL.  For that to occur, a whole bunch of presently captive (i.e.; “civilized”) “individuals” will have to get-over their “self,” and become again the free wild Natural Persons, ORGAN-ized as Communities, that Human Beings by-nature are.

Again, that’s all this Old Man has got here, and (frankly my dears) whether or not this-that-or-another “individual,” or any number of ‘em, takes-it or leaves-it is of absolutely no real import, or even meaning….including, “in the final end,” to their own too-precious “selfs.”

HokaHey!

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By criticalmash, January 14, 2011 at 10:00 am Link to this comment
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plainsman, tao, truedigger, whoeverelse- how about wrapping up all your self-serving blather about what you’ve all lost the thread of long ago anyway and move on to another exercise in do-nothing polemics. Either boycott all elections until we get real campaign finance reform or until the revolution comes OR just keep tapping out your inert thoughts for all to, in the end, yawn at. Pick up a telephone and talk to each other if what you have to say is so important. Otherwise, just get a room.

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By plainsman, January 14, 2011 at 1:25 am Link to this comment

@ TAO Walker

First:

Screwing-around anymore with the also failing ideological/institutional/technological apparatus can and will do absolutely nothing to address that [Earth is dying] to any remedial effect, but can and will only put us ALL out of ‘its’ misery that much sooner….maybe the best thing for ALL-concerned, after-all.

Perhaps I paraphrased you badly: “You seem to be saying, “We’re all fucked!”. And nothing we do can change that.”

Because:

Both the ecologist and the biologist, two years and twenty-five hundred miles apart, opened their first lecture with a description of the condition our CONdition is in, and summed-up identically with:  “Bottom-line, we’re fucked!”  “plainsman” can make of that what he will.

It seems, as I said in an earlier post TAO Walker, you just want to rant. Maybe you think I (and truedigger3) are trying to put you down. Or maybe you’re one of those people who is only happy when he’s complaining; a Native curmudgeon. There my first (and only) epithet. Regardless, I don’t want to argue with you.

I think you have something of value to say. I respect that you have good reason to rail against “Civilization”. I even agree with you on many points. But, since you just can’t resist getting in digs—and arbitrary digs at that—there seems no point in pursuing this.

So, as you say: HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, January 13, 2011 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment

This Indian has Family and Friends in Taos (town and Pueblo), and visits there quite a bit.  There’s both a lot more and a lot less to the Mike Reynolds “EarthShip” saga than the little bit of it referenced below by “plainsman.”  At last report, Reynolds was no more attuned to the Organic Function of Humanity in Earth’s Living Arrangement than most other developers of “green” projects….or most anybody among the domesticated peoples at-all, for that matter. 

If “truthdigger3” will say just exactly what it is about Organic Functional Integrity he still isn’t understanding, maybe we can come at it from a direction he could relate-to.  Any biologist, as well as most physiologists and medical people, could tell him that disease (almost by-definition) is the actual effect of its deficiency in any Living Organism.  That’s what it is in the (for now, anyway) Living Body of Earth, too.

A friend has two sons who within the last two-or-three years took related classes from two different professors at two different colleges.  Both the ecologist and the biologist, two years and twenty-five hundred miles apart, opened their first lecture with a description of the condition our CONdition is in, and summed-up identically with:  “Bottom-line, we’re fucked!”  “plainsman” can make of that what he will.

Here in Indian Country we just DO what we ARE, and all we say about “tomorrow” is….

HokaHey!

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By garth, January 13, 2011 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

How does it all fit in to making war

I’ll tell you how to start to find out.  I just watched enough of Brianna Williams and his NBC Nightly News and I am sick to my stomach.  There is something wrong.

There is something rotten in the MSM in New York.  I thought of taking notes, but they move very fast and they changed from topic to topic before I could get my bearings.

Their voice overs in the interviews of the persons in the story of the Tucson masscre had nothing to do with what the people were actually saying.  They spoke in little bytes of a second or two at the most.  The voice over was saying somethin entirely different.

The news was that they found the black bag that Loughners father talked about.  Jared took it out of the trunck of his father’s car and ran off with hours before the incident.

Let me recapitulate:

Saturday they identified a man who was with Loughner at the Safeway.  Thay had a picture of him walking through the market.

Saturday night, all the cable shows introduced a crawler that said that the man was a cab driver.

End of story?  Are they saying Loughner took a cab to the mall?

Wednesday, Loughner’s father said he saw Jared taking a black bag out of the trunk of his car and Jared ran off.

How did he call the cab?  You can’t usually flag a cab down on the street.  High crime, don’t you know.

The reports of the attack said Loughner wore a sweatshirt with a hoodie and pulled the magazines of extra ammo out of his pockets.

The cab driver, we are led to believe, was an ‘innocent’ cab driver who took Loughner from his parent’s residence across town to the Safeway market.
Did you ever experience a cab driver who took you some palce to get out of his cab and walk around a super market?

I don’t thinks so. 


Here’s where they dazzle us with their bullshit.

The parents said this kid was unemployed and drove an old jalopy.  Why would he call a cab?  And how could he call a cab from his parents if he just ran from his father.

The moment that the FBI and ‘Munged up’ Mueller, the mullah of the FBI said he was going to take over the investigation, I knew he meant he was going to take over the cover up.  This is a first time that the head, the big cheese, of the Bureaucratic FBI has taken over in a case like this.  Do you think that has any import?

Before along if anyone raises any questions tht cause a stink, we’ll begin to wonder if anything at all ever even happened.

Watch cui bono. 

Judgng from the reponse of her mackerel brother-in-law and his tepid response I’d guess that is the game these fucking androids play.

And that leads us to war.  It’s nothing more to them than a half-witted, half-human response as that given by Giffords brother-in-law,  Way out there in outta space looking like a friggin’ pearl onion and sound like the Swede of early voice technology.

Put away the hankies, you frauds.


I’d like he Tucson Ploice to say that this is a murder investigation of a liitle Tucson girl and we are going to do our own investigation.  Tell the FBI and the national News Medai to go fuck themselves.

I heard that the police chief, a guy named Arena who went to the same high school I went to, the cop who investigated the strange, macabre death of Mary Jo Kopeckne retired from the Lexington, MA police force. 

Whaddya got to lose?


Let’s see some of the ‘cowboy up’ shit, you fucks are always bosting about.  Either that or shut the fuck up forever. 

Panty wastes.

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By plainsman, January 13, 2011 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

@Anaracissie

Michael Reynolds managed to have legislation changed in New Mexico that allowed him to continue building his “Earth Ship” communities.

As to your comment:

... it’s hopeless to look to monarchs, great leaders, mighty organizations, and power in general for the solution. They’re part of the problem.

Indeed. What good are leaders who care not for those they “lead”?

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By truedigger3, January 13, 2011 at 6:28 pm Link to this comment

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Anarcissie wrote:

“I can understand TAO Walker’s keeping his messages on an abstract level.  When people do come up with specific suggestions of actions to be taken, the response is not encouraging.  Probably, people have to understand that there’s a problem in the first place (TW’s theme) and then they have to figure out what to do about it on their own according to their own understanding and interests, which will be different for different people.  There is no point to offering plans to people who aren’t listening or thinking in the first place. “
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Anaracissie,

Of course we realize there is a problem, but realizing there is a problem doesn’t mean people figured out the solution.
We didn’t ask TAO Walker for a plan, but we asked him to explain himself in understandable language instead of, for example :“Organic Functional Integrity”???!! It seems he enjoys cofusing his readers with his pedantics rather impart and explain his ideas to them.
And who told you we are not “listening” or “thinking” in the first place.

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By plainsman, January 13, 2011 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

@TAO Walker

You seem to be saying, “We’re all fucked!”. And nothing we do can change that.

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By Anarcissie, January 13, 2011 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment

Michael Reynolds has changed his life and is doing good or at least interesting things, but he hasn’t changed the system.  In fact, he’s still driving around in a late-model pickup, one that runs on gasoline, I would guess.

I’ve been on the periphery of the innovative-building thing for many years.  One of my friends was living in a disused semi trailer out in the woods about 100 miles north of New York City, when she made the mistake of putting a solar collector on her roof.  This seems to have caused someone to rat her out to the local police.  One thing led to another and she almost had her child taken away and herself put in jail.  Luckily a wealthy, high-status relative busted the police in turn; God knows what would have happened otherwise.

I myself looked into obtaining housing built from old containers, of which there are a lot in this port area.  This kind of thing is widely noised about at high levels by governments and NGOs as a method of producing cheap housing—supposedly you can build a livable home for 20 or 30 thousand dollars.  However, it turns out you can’t actually do it; the whole idea seems at present to be a grant-sucking mechanism and every project is a demonstration.  In any case getting around the real estate codes in this area would be a pretty interesting exercise.

So the system hasn’t changed—yet.  It’s arteriosclerotic, one might say, and laced with coercive violence.  Hopefully some of us will get something workable started somewhere before it’s too late, and I certainly don’t want to discourage anyone from trying anything.  But it’s hopeless to look to monarchs, great leaders, mighty organizations, and power in general for the solution.  They’re part of the problem.

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By TAO Walker, January 13, 2011 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

What the members of the subspecies homo domesticus are all-the-same-in is their domesticated CONdition.  That’s not a criticism, only an observation….no different from one to-the-effect that the common denominator among “ranched” Elk, for example, is that they’re “ranched,” and so in a fundamental way different (condition-wise) from the free wild members of their Kind.

What us free wild Peoples and our tame Relatives have in-common is our Humanity.  Where we differ is not only in our respective conditions, but in the relative viability of these different ways-of-being, as a particular Kind, within the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth. 

It has again taken awhile for the disadvantages of “laying open the earth with a plow” to become (more-and-more-painfully) evident to those of our Human Kind whose forebears (and most of their own “selfs” still today) were (and remain) obsessed with what they thought (and still think) are the unexceptioned “advantages.”  There were, of course, peoples here on Turtle Island who went chasing that chimera….and who got fairly quickly (as such things go) to the blood-drenched reckoning awaiting those who are unlucky enough to actually REAL-ize that “dream.”

The Chinese have prolonged that misery for maybe six thousand years, by devoting substantial amounts of their “intellectual” resources to figuring-out methods for doing that….and gearing their institutional set-ups toward enforcing the methods.  They, too, for all of their ‘practice,’ are as “up-against-the-wall,” inveterate Mother fuckers that they are, as are the “barbarians” who’ve come more lately to the mortal rigors of the “civilization” regime.

What are defining traits among all the domesticated peoples include their homo centrism, their ethno-centrism, their “self”-absorption, their ultimately disastrous exploitation of the rest of our Living Arrangement for the exclusive “benefit” of that unholy trinity of CONceits, and their inevitable arrival at the “point” in space/time where the CONtrived ‘need’ to CONtrol Nature is increasingly outstripped by a diminishing capacity to actually do so.  We’re there/then, again, today.

The house-of-cards is collapsing.  The motivation/methodology of the ‘dominance’ paradigm is failing miserably to provide any remedy for the growing Human misery incident to reaching the limits inherent in its own Biological CONtradictions….is only making that all worse, in fact.

Humanity, as such, has a given Organic Function within Her Living Arrangement….as a vital component in Her natural immune system.  The “civilized individual” part of Humanity is seriously dysfunctional.  Earth is dying.

Screwing-around anymore with the also failing ideological/institutional/technological apparatus can and will do absolutely nothing to address that to any remedial effect, but can and will only put us ALL out of ‘its’ misery that much sooner….maybe the best thing for ALL-concerned, after-all.

HokaHey!

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By plainsman, January 13, 2011 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

@ @Anarcissie

Michael Reynolds successfully changed the system:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/garbage-warrior/

None of this—what is generally perceived as that which we are all up against—is built in stone; even if it were, stone blocks can be tumbled.

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By plainsman, January 13, 2011 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

@TAO Walker

When “plainsman” repeats the phrase “better way,” he disingenuously tries to imply that this Old Indian has used it to describe something offered here. That has never actually occurred.

Well perhaps it should occur.

Feel free to review my posts TAO Walker; I have yet to hurl any epithets at you. And I’m surprised that your response to someone who is genuinely curious about your perception of being human and our relationship with the biosphere. For asking that you say more, that you add some depth, you attempt to brand me as disingenuous.

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By Anarcissie, January 13, 2011 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

plainsman, January 13 at 9:16 pm:

‘@Anarcissie

I have no argument with “messages on an abstract level”. And you are right: “There is no point to offering plans to people who aren’t listening or thinking in the first place.”

And TAO Walker is correct, too, that the majority of people are caught up in themselves (which I agree is an illusion). Or theirselfs as TW puts it.

The point is Chris Hedges and other posters here are seeking to change the power structure; CH and many others recognize that a large part of the problem is systemic. TW’s “free wild Peoples” also seek to change the power structure. That “most” people, being referred to by all of us here, are playing follow the leader should come as no surprise to anyone. Few people, including TW’s “free wild Peoples” do otherwise.

What I object to is the assumption that TW makes: That those of us deemed to be “Homo domesticus” are categorically, unequivocally, ALL the same; that none of us grasps what he is saying because we are ALL too stupid by virtue of living within a failed system. ...’

Many people who write on this web site and in similar venues are caught up in the existing system mentally, and as a result they think things can be significantly changed for the better by (for instance) elections and the political manipulations that go along with them, or by boycotting certain corporations, or by somehow getting legislatures to pass new regulations.  Thus we observe bitter arguments between those who voted for Nader in 2000 and those who thought this act was a terrible crime or act of reckless foolishness—for me, a vacuous argument, because whoever won would simply be taking the role of Chief Executioner.  If he didn’t do the job, those who urgently desire that there be a Chief Executioner, and they are many and powerful, would simply have him removed and some other character inserted.  We have a system based on violence and coercion.  It’s not going to change because you switch heads on the dummies.

I think a lot of people need to contemplate that premise, even if they can’t fully accept it.  Until they begin to question the basis of the existing social order, people like TW might as well stay up on the mountain.

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By plainsman, January 13, 2011 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

@Anarcissie

I have no argument with “messages on an abstract level”. And you are right: “There is no point to offering plans to people who aren’t listening or thinking in the first place.”

And TAO Walker is correct, too, that the majority of people are caught up in themselves (which I agree is an illusion). Or theirselfs as TW puts it. 

The point is Chris Hedges and other posters here are seeking to change the power structure; CH and many others recognize that a large part of the problem is systemic. TW’s “free wild Peoples” also seek to change the power structure. That “most” people, being referred to by all of us here, are playing follow the leader should come as no surprise to anyone. Few people, including TW’s “free wild Peoples” do otherwise.

What I object to is the assumption that TW makes: That those of us deemed to be “Homo domesticus” are categorically, unequivocally, ALL the same; that none of us grasps what he is saying because we are ALL too stupid by virtue of living within a failed system. He is also arguing from a shaky foundation. Agrarianism occurred here in North America prior to invasion by (mostly Europeans) and with it came wars of conquest and hideous practices, like human sacrifice, ALL perpetrated by people who were indigenous to NA. Too, TW’s “free wild Peoples” were not free of territorial disputes; many First nations engaged in wars of aggression: the Iroquois, for example, were constantly fighting the Algonquin. The Sioux were not all that benign either.

As well, many people, continent-wide, are engaging in alternative forms of living, from food supply like Community Supported Agriculture to architects such as Michael Reynolds, and many other similar examples.

A large part of the problem is simple numbers. And, to no small degree, our success in feeding ourselves. By virtue of being able to grow food, rather than hunt or scrounge for it, we can sustain more people which allows for specialization and compartmentalism. It also allows for devious members of societies to manipulate the systems that develop to their advantage. Today we can blame it on Corporations and the MSM, but the rulers of ancient Rome were able to manipulate the masses just as well. That Empire collapsed, as did all others before and after it. Hopefully when the current Empire expires, we will devise ways to prevent the cycle from repeating.

I also agree with TW that protests—large or small—will not bring down the abusive system. In fact, they serve to empower it, to give it justification for becoming more abusive. The best way to change that system is to disengage from it.

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By garth, January 13, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Fat Freddy,

“Conspiracy theory? Yeah, right. It’s all right on the pages of the Federal Reserve and the FDIC websites. Klein is an idiot. The central bank issue was the center of debate among scholars for the better part of the 1930s. That debate continues today. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a healthy, logical debate on the role of government and the collusion between bankers and government, and their ability to manipulate the economy by controlling the “price” of money. But I don’t need to tell you that.”

Thanks for you input and, Yes, you do.  It’s validation amidst all this talk about Conspiracy Theories nuthood.

They want us all to believe what the press is spending less and less to provide, in-depth, honest investigative reporting.

If I were wearing a $5,000 Brioni suit and having lunch at some swishy French restaurant in DC, I wouldn’t give it a second thought, until I reach a level of consciousness and attained a certain level of awareness.

I also appreciate you answer.  Even though it should be painfully obvious to any sentient human, it doesn’t seem that we are able on the whole to stick its heads through the frozen surface.

reminds me of Houdini and his stunt in the frozen Chicago River. He found out that that the ice separates from the water and leaves a small gap between for air.

I hope that all this ‘Reality’ talk finds a ‘gap of air’ to stay alive until the frozen Americans thaw.
On Paul,
Texas is a state that might be tough nut for the ones who’d like to see Ron Paul go away.  I want to see what he says and what he does before I look at any actuarial tables.

But I don’t know.  I rely on common sense and few insiders.

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By TAO Walker, January 13, 2011 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

When “plainsman” repeats the phrase “better way,” he disingenuously tries to imply that this Old Indian has used it to describe something offered here.  That has never actually occurred.  Granted, an at-least possibly viable option is, by most of our Best Lights anyhow, “better” than some certainly DEAD END behavioral compulsion the degenerative effects of which are not really much in-dispute anymore….even among most of those caught-up in it.

If he and “truthdigger3” think they know some “better” Way (to respond to our predicament here) than that of Organic Functional Integrity, which has been described here many times from a variety of ‘angles,’ they’re welcome to go-for-it.  Hurling “epithets” of their own at some Old Man whose verbal ‘style’ they find, apparently, offensive or off-putting isn’t likely to do anybody any “good”....other than salving someone’s bruised “self”-esteem.

Being insufficiently attentive to the overblown ego-needs of the domesticated “individual” is not, among our People, something requiring any apology….or any indicator of any deficiency in the “humility” department.  Nor is having knowledge (and the words to describe it), that the deplorable CONdition they suffer effectively denies to that virtual breed, anything to pretend not to have so as to spare their too tender “self”-sensibilities.

Those unable or unwilling to look calmly and clear-eyed at their circumstances can’t be compelled by mere words to do it….but neither will that organic dysfunction afford them any escape from its naturally inevitable CONsequences.

HokaHey!

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By Anarcissie, January 13, 2011 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

plainsman, January 13 at 7:03 am:

‘@TAO Walker

Neither myself nor truthdigger3 asked for a ‘more “self”-satisfying “answer,”’. Nor do we deserve your huffy response. We both asked simply that you elaborate on your better way.  ...’

I can understand TAO Walker’s keeping his messages on an abstract level.  When people do come up with specific suggestions of actions to be taken, the response is not encouraging.  Probably, people have to understand that there’s a problem in the first place (TW’s theme) and then they have to figure out what to do about it on their own according to their own understanding and interests, which will be different for different people.  There is no point to offering plans to people who aren’t listening or thinking in the first place.

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By tolstoyscat, January 13, 2011 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

criticalmash, January 13 at 4:50 pm

Good point. I agree.

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By criticalmash, January 13, 2011 at 11:50 am Link to this comment

I notice many here recommend voting for the Libertarian Party’s Ron Paul. I understand that recommendation. Unfortunately, the Libertarian Party cannot win a major election in America primarily because of the campaign finance laws stacked against any third (or fourth) party candidates. Remember how the Democratic Party trashed and then vaporized Ralph Nader? The Corporate Party wins every election cycle. The only recourse for the majority of Americans, especially the growing number of middle class who are melting down to pre-poverty levels is to register their vote of NO-CONFIDENCE in the current state of the democracy by boycotting ALL elections. The goal would be to get the voter turnout down to less than 20%. One of two things would happen: politicians would get the message that the system is broken and serious campaign finance reform must be enacted to bring the electorate back to the polls OR the politicians preside over the demise of the American democracy, the corporate oligarchy takes hold and, as history shows, the real revolution begins. To do nothing, or to continue to believe in the fairy tale of democracy in America, much less a third party as an alternative to the two-headed Elephant-Ass Corporate Party, sustains the status quo in which the inevitable oligarchy will be formed albeit a little more slowly than if we boycotted ALL elections. If you want change, you need to change your thinking and your tactics.
http://bit.ly/b7BksT

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By truedigger3, January 13, 2011 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

Re: By plainsman, January 13 at 7:03 am

plainsman,

I agree with you 100%.

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By plainsman, January 13, 2011 at 2:03 am Link to this comment

@TAO Walker

Neither myself nor truthdigger3 asked for a ‘more “self”-satisfying “answer,”’. Nor do we deserve your huffy response. We both asked simply that you elaborate on your better way.

Inasmuch as you advocate a holistic approach—one that implies a measure of humility—your dismissive epithets, peevish responses, and down-right arrogance cancel out (giving you the benefit of the doubt) whatever good you may seek to accomplish.

Sweeping generalizations are rarely accurate and usually evidence of a puny mind; albeit, in your case, one with a big vocabulary.

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By radson, January 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

Now Folks Tao Walkers’ last explanation should be as
clear as ,spring water.It’s either you get it or you
don’t .If per chance that you think a parking lot is
‘progress’ then think again ,if you think that wars are fought to be won ;then think again ,if you think that technology can replace ’ nature’ well -altogether now ,think again ,if you think that the World started after AD ,think again ,if your a fan of the NeoCons ,the Benchmark of the 21st century didn’t start on sept 11 as the war on terror suggests,if you think that there’s a difference between a donkey and an elephant well once again ,think again if you think that a Grass Roots ’ base ’ is required to further the resistance movement -as does Mr. Hedges -then support the Gentleman.

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By TAO Walker, January 12, 2011 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

For “plainsman” and “truthdigger3” in particular, here for the umpteenth time is the-long AND the-short of it.  Want some other more “self”-satisfying “answer,” ask somebody else.  This Old Savage has nothing at-all to offer in that “line.”

Organic Functional Integrity is that inherent quality necessary for the Liver, for instance, or any other Vital Organ, to DO what it IS in a body.  Humanity, as a component in Earth’s immune system, needs it to effectively fulfill that vital function.  It is naturally present in the Natural Organic Form of our Kind….call that, in English, “Organic Community.”  Random collections of “individuals” don’t have it….never have, never will.

So, if presently “individual”-ized Human Persons can get free of that crippling illusion and come together right where they live-and-breathe everyday to help each other respond to the debilitating effects of the “civilization” disease on Earth’s Living Arrangement (including their own Kind),  coalescing naturally and spontaneously into the Community form, they will recover that Functional Integrity without which the degenerative CONdition in which the domesticated peoples now flounder and languish will only “progress” to its inevitably DEAD END CONclusion.

Those looking for some grand CONceptual scheme, some perhaps religiossified philosophical ‘system,’ can find them all over the place.  Several are on-offer from people who ‘post’ on this site….some as come-ons for “products” of various kinds.  Pick your poison.  Meantime….. 

To really get well, tame Sisters and Brothers, all you need to do (all you CAN do) is just get-over your “self”....‘cause it’s what’s killing the actual Person that IS you, who is NOT ‘it.’

HokaHey!

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By criticalmash, January 12, 2011 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Sen. Lindsay Graham Wants Permanent Bases in Afghanistan
Permanent bases in Afghanistan means permanent corporate profits in Afghanistan. http://bit.ly/f3tSTW

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By tk, January 12, 2011 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment
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Now is the time to finally end war, how can anyone be critical of the Tucson shootings and defend war. If it’s tragic to lose life to gun violence in Tucson, it is both tragic and vulgar to lose life to violence in Bagdad or anywhere else in the world in our name. 
Is it less tragic to place our military men and women in harms way and serve multiple tours of duty to maim, injure kill or be killed for any reason?
Jared Lee Loughner may have justified his violent actions and so have we?

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By Rgyle, January 12, 2011 at 3:55 pm Link to this comment

Treg: I agree with most of what you say but some government contractors
(10%+) are doing good things and fairly priced. Some. The other large corps (corpse?) you mention as free market businesses are up to no good much of the time.

The MBA maxim is give as little as possible (but promise a lot in marketing
efforts, which is far less costly than actual high quality products/services)
and charge as much as possible. The ultimate being give nothing and take everything, like a thief. A perpetual monthly bill is desirable as well.
CYA against lawsuits and use legal clout to delay, delay, delay. All short-term
gain based. Long term? Who cares, get while the gettin’s good and get out fast
with a yacht on an island. It’s essentially corporate thievery by a faceless
pickpocket; a fictional yet legal entity. And now whateveritis, inc, can donate as much as it wants
to candidates, as if it were a constituent of the republic. Yippee!

The dominant free market corps you list are criminals in many ways. If you have
neighbors, friends, family that work for them, they are often very nice people,
but at work, they look the other way or fail to look at all, while they climb the corp ladder
and collect their paycheck, stock options, etc.

If you look really close while maintaining a big picture, you can see the
disintegration taking hold. Life always wins. And when there is something
damaging or otherwise unsustainable, it gets rid of it. Just watch.

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By Fat Freddy, January 12, 2011 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

garth

I saw Joe Klein on CNN last Sunday saying the conspiratorial founding of the Federal Reserve was one of those wacky Conspiracy Theories, and that Ron Paul was a proponent of that theory.

Conspiracy theory? Yeah, right. It’s all right on the pages of the Federal Reserve and the FDIC websites. Klein is an idiot. The central bank issue was the center of debate among scholars for the better part of the 1930s. That debate continues today. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a healthy, logical debate on the role of government and the collusion between bankers and government, and their ability to manipulate the economy by controlling the “price” of money. But I don’t need to tell you that.

I have a bad feeling that Ron Paul is going to end up like Vince Foster and Ron Brown. But that’s just more “conspiracy theory”, right?

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By Fat Freddy, January 12, 2011 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

Treg4RonPaul

We need a new word.

It’s called Rent Seeking, and it is not a natural part of the free market system. War profiteering is a form of rent seeking, and has been going on for a very long time, and will most likely continue. As long as the government has the ability to wage war, there will be individuals and businesses that profit from it, including the politicians themselves.

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By outerpartymember, January 12, 2011 at 12:45 am Link to this comment

I find it disheartening because I have dialogues in my personal life and social life that are the same exact dialogues as 1984 and brave new world.We are living through the greatest drama of our time but hardly anyone notices. Any person who studies the true altruistic history of western civilization must see warning sign. I remember being in the museum of tolerance and hearing and seeing images from the past that seem to be parallel to current events. I feel like Winston(from 1984) more and more it would seem. I hang onto our great western tradition of rationality and logos.some times I feel like nail biting and hang off the seat of my pants because a small group of mass murdering psychopaths have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and try to justify any inhumane action and justify murder.

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By MeHere, January 11, 2011 at 11:37 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie says:

“MeHere—Recent polls have shown that a considerable majority of Americans
disapprove of the current set of wars.  It is true, however, that they preferred to
vote for war-enthusiast candidates like Obama, Clinton and McCain, rather
than opponents of the wars, like Richardson, Kucinich, Gravel, Paul, and so on. 
There appears to be a struggle between emotion and reason going on.  Since
the people’s approach to politics is generally monarchical (this includes
proggies) emotion wins.”

Anarcissie:

Polls are notorious for being just short bits of information that usually don’t
reflect things in the proper context.  And some of them can be very bad. But,
generally speaking, I agree that most people are probably against the wars. The
problem is that this opposition is primarily due to no other reasons than these
are losing wars and tons of tax money have been drained away—they are
hardly related to intelligent and conscientious thinking.  Indeed, as you say,
there seems to be a struggle between emotion and reason, but emotions can be
good and bad. I guess we have a population with bad emotions and an absence
of reason who bow to the ruling elite.  Who could ask for anything better?  But if that’s what we have, let’s not dress it up as something else. My point is that the country has not really been opposed to wars and the governing elites have represented the constituency rather well in this regard.

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By Treg4RonPaul, January 11, 2011 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment

We need a new word.  New words for things spell out new concepts.  The word Corporation is good, but for specific arguments such as these, the generalized word corporation does not help explain.  The type of corporation that is particularly offensive to me and needs to be called something else is one that gets its livelihood from government contracts. The government is the Customer.  Take my little company, my little Inc that repairs old damaged shoes for instance, even though I have a dozen stores, I am 100% free market dependent.  I depend upon the free citizen, to freely choose my services.  Their monies do not come to me via the government.  My company does not get government contracts.  Or how about the company of two gay friends of mine who just started a home redecorating business, with hundreds of high end clients paying them, none are government employees nor do they have government contracts.  Now compare those companies that are truly free market companies, to companies that John Perkins talks about in his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.  He worked for “companies” but these where not any ordinary company.  These were large engineering companies whose work was nearly 100% government contract dependent.  Think Bechtel corporation or a hundred other such companies. My point is, they are FUNDAMENTALLY different, their customer, their reason for existence, is the government.  Government is their customer.  That places that type of company OUT SIDE the normal Market based forces that make companies be responsive to the people, the consumer and his needs.  Further, being a Gov-Company, that means the normal channels of citizen control over government gets an end-around. A

So lets come up with a new word, shall we?

Here a suggestion:

Gov-Company: a “Govpany” rather than a Company is defined as any company that gets more than 10% of its business from government contracts. Conversely, a Company is one that gets less than 10% of its business from any government contracts. 

Examples of Govpanies are so numerous:

Bechtel
Honeywell
Martin Marietta
Boeing
Allied
Lockheed
Blackwater

(please add your own to this list)

But what may be harder for us to do is to list all the real free market consumer based COMPANIES;

McDonald
Pepsi
Home Depot
Wal Mart
Kroger

my own company, perhaps yours too.

(Please add your own to this list)

So why make the new word Govpany?  Because as Corporate-Fascism continues to meld with Big Government, it is increasing hard to identify the bad guys from the good.  Just as we fight out of control government power, we will need to fight out of control govpanies.  Indeed, we will need NEW TOOLS as citizens to fight them.  Tools that are not found in the free market through boycott/no patronage or through voting in our elected officials.

In some, from now on, lets be specific when we attack Companies and not smear the bad with the good.  To do this, lets call them “govpanies”. Add this new word to your electronic dictionary. Use where ever you can.  Allow the public to make the mental separation. Allow them to see the problem, is out of control all powerful companies, - govpanies.

In peace, liberty and equality for all…
Treg4RonPaul

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By tolstoyscat, January 11, 2011 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

Alan MacDonald, January 10 at 11:47 pm

I appreciate your comment. Thanks.

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By Fat Freddy, January 11 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

“I saw Ron Paul on CNN the other say talking about the billion dollar embassies we are building in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, and how we have no intention of ever leaving.”
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I saw Joe Klein on CNN last Sunday saying the conspiratorial founding of the Federal Reserve was one of those wacky Conspiracy Theories, and that Ron Paul was a proponent of that theory.

They’re afraid of Ron Paul.

In a nutshell, the Fed was started in 1913 to avoid Panics as they called Depressions in them thar days.  Sixteen years later in 1929, we had the great Depression.

Look what they accompished in 1987 and 2007.  You gotta hand it to these super educated persons whose only supra ordinate goal is to make the bankers richer.

This ‘recession’ is just as great as the Depression, but now we have ‘News’ and government fact machines churning out statistics are telling us to sit tight because by the time it’s over, we’ll all be dead.

Soothing.

Short of a complete economic disaster that takes us all down, I want to see Ron Paul assume his chairmanship and go to work, cause a little agita in the Moneyed Class.

If we are going down, why not bring them with us.  Let them fight the War ‘in’ Iran.  That’s the way they’ll title it rather than the War ‘with’ Iran.  They know the typical American reactionary adolescent will be touched with idea of fighting for freedom in foreign lands.

May we all live in interesting times.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 11, 2011 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, in whose jurisdiction the massacre took place, said that “the rhetoric about hatred, about mistrust of government, about paranoia of how government operates” has an “impact on people ... who are unbalanced personalities to begin with.”

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Was Mr. Dupnik speaking directly to Chris Hedges?

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By Textynn, January 11, 2011 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment
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Dear Mr. Hedges,
You forgot to tell about how the wealthiest people / corporations in the world give arms and see to it that other countries are provided with weapons that eventually get turned on us and our allies starting brand new wars.  Then these same people fund both sides of every war they can.


It the book “Games People Play” this game is “Let’s you and you fight”  (for my benefit).

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By ChaviztaKing, January 11, 2011 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

GOOD NEWS: AMERICANS ARE WAKING UP.  AND AMERICANS WILL OVERTHROW THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM !!

Is the Next Great Awakening at Hand?

The First Great Awakening led after many years to the American and Jeffersonian Revolutions.

The Second Great Awakening led, after many years, to the Civil War and Abolition.

The Third Great Awakening led, after setbacks, to the Populist and then Progressive Movements.

The Fourth Great Awakening led to the New Deal

The Fifth Great Awakening led to the second Reconstruction, the Great Society, Feminism, and social upheavals. 

With the internet-revolution since the mid 1990s, americans are getting smarter.  We are almost at the Sixth Great Awakening, thanks to the Bolivarian Revolution, and the wave of Socialism of the XXI Century in Latin America, Michael Moore’s movies against the capitalist system, and all the alternative websites, including the conspiracy theory news websites, and all the alternative views in the many news websites in the internet.

So the Sixth Great Awakening will happen because of the computer you are using right now. So thank God for Bill Gates, Internet and Computers !!


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By Fat Freddy, January 11, 2011 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

I saw Ron Paul on CNN the other say talking about the billion dollar embassies we are building in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, and how we have no intention of ever leaving.

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By Anarcissie, January 11, 2011 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

MeHere—Recent polls have shown that a considerable majority of Americans disapprove of the current set of wars.  It is true, however, that they preferred to vote for war-enthusiast candidates like Obama, Clinton and McCain, rather than opponents of the wars, like Richardson, Kucinich, Gravel, Paul, and so on.  There appears to be a struggle between emotion and reason going on.  Since the people’s approach to politics is generally monarchical (this includes proggies) emotion wins.

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By Otiose N. Plangent, January 11, 2011 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment
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The USA is a weaponized country, with 270 million handguns at the individual level and 10,000 nukes at the national level, with huge assortments of killing hardware in between.

GB Shaw had it right when he wrote “Man and Superman” in 1907, in the famous monologue on weapons that is delivered by The Devil. Look up the whole text, from which this is but a small quote:

” ... his heart is in his weapons. This marvellous force of Life of which you boast is a force of Death: Man measures his strength by his destructiveness.”

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By MeHere, January 11, 2011 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

Why do Chris Hedges and others keep saying that people have been against the wars when in fact people have been supporting and voting for candidates who have clearly approved and expanded the wars?  It’s hard enough to accept the ugly truth, why also carry the burden of fooling ourselves?

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By Tyco, January 11, 2011 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

One of our few remaining robust industries is the manufacture of weapons. We successfully sell these to nations,big and small, all over the world. In fact, if countries do not have adequate funds to purchase our weapons Congress provides them with loans so that they can obtain almost every kind of weapon we sell. One airplane manufactured by Lockeed-Martin is not wanted by the USAF; yet it continues to be manufactured and successfully marketed outside the country. We have millions of people who are unemployed many of whom are so discouraged that they are no longer even looking for work. Our leaders seem unable to increase the number of jobs available and continue to export jobs that remain to areas of the world were labor costs are less. Does it not seem reasonable that we should increase our production of weapons of war? Apparently there will always be a market for them. By doing so many of our unemployed would go back to work and the dangers of living in a world already filled with weapons of destruction would not be greatly increased.

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By truedigger3, January 11, 2011 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

Re: By TAO Walker, January 11 at 12:55 am

TAO Walker wrote:
“If we thought there was no “hope” we wouldn’t bother even to offer this reminder of The Good Medicine of Organic Functional Integrity”
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TAO Walker,
What do you mean by “Organic Functional Integrity”?!
I ask you again, can you tell us please, in few lines, with concrete example, without empty phrases that are full of hot air, how we “domesticated two legged” creatures live the ideal life of “Organic Functional Integrity”??!!

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By Felix Vainglory, January 11, 2011 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5o_0ZYA5HM Mario Savio Speech - Bodies Upon The Gears

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By Erik W Davis, January 11, 2011 at 4:32 am Link to this comment
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I find Mr. Hedges’ commentary be be some of the most insightful of what I
think of as the “mainstream progressive media,” such as represented here on
TruthDig. 

I agree with his contention that our (by which I take it he means ‘too many of
us’ against the war, and not ‘all of us against the war’) previous attempts at
anti-war movements have been naive and ineffective; this is precisely why I am
confused by his promotion of yet another ANSWER protest.

ANSWER (see the excellent comment by TolstoyCat, comparing the
ineffectiveness of ANSWER’s protests with those by SDS/Funk the War. ANSWERs
Marxist-Leninist form of organization (coming from the important influence of
the Workers World Party) practically *ensures* a lack of efficacy in protest. Not
because they are somehow ideologically *wrong*, but because their
authoritarian style makes them consistently ally with the police charged with
crushing protests, and their marshals preventing any direct actions.

We DO need a direct action, antiwar campaign in this country.  But with ANSWER
dominating the antiwar protests, I worry that many disillusioned and relatively
naive activists will retrace the route of the Weather Underground, instead of
finding effective, non-violent, and above-ground tactics.

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By ChaviztaKing, January 11, 2011 at 3:29 am Link to this comment

Dear Chris Hedges and friends: The problem of America is that lots of people in USA hate politics. Maybe because americans are too aware that US politics is too dangerous, it is more dangerous than in other countries were leftist parties and even guerrilla leaders can rise to power real easy (Funes in El Salvador)

Not in USA, in USA even a bourgeoise-reformist (JFK) can be killed by CIA.  Americans know that the CIA can kill the children of americans if they get too revolutionary.  but even my sister tells me that she hates politics. But i told her that the only vehicle for people to get out of poverty and rise in living standards is still political parties, elections, voting, protesting, and even violent revolutions, there is no other way to get out of poverty outside of politics. Self help books are a scams, and winning the lotto is almost impossible


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By loneagle, January 11, 2011 at 1:48 am Link to this comment
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Doesn’t it just seem bizarre that when the soldier in the
airport about to deploy to Iraq says he’s/she’s proud to
fight for our freedoms, that the reporter holding the
microphone, doesn’t ask what freedoms of ours do/did
or do you think will, the Iraqis threaten?

What freedoms of ours exactly are threatened by Iraq?

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By David J. Cyr, January 11, 2011 at 1:38 am Link to this comment

Michael,

If you want your party to represent a true alternative, in actual opposition to the corporate state, then you should never identify or associate it with the “progressive” label.

Historically, and currently, the “progressives” have been, and are now people who seek to ensure that the least possible change occurs, by their persuading good people who wish to oppose the corporate state’s evil to instead support its Democrats of mass deception.

It’s not necessary for old “progressives” to learn any new tricks, because their old tricks never fail to murder any movement to the left that they encounter.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, January 11, 2011 at 1:20 am Link to this comment

David Cyr

Thank you Sir..

Good Skills indeed..

Good point and duly noted. I heard someone describe it as two major
corporationns shutting out the Mom and Pops competition and fighting for their
“market share.”

God Speed.. God bless Chris Hedges..

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By David J. Cyr, January 11, 2011 at 1:13 am Link to this comment

QUOTE (Michael Cavlan RN):

“For my small part, I am involved in building a new political party in Minnesota, called the MN Open Progressives.. We are very open and honest about our opposition to the two party system.”
_____________

In framing opposition to the corporate state, it’s important to not perpetuate its lies — important to not reinforce the malicious misinformation of childhood indoctrinations.

Republicans and Democrats belong to two factions of the one corporate state approved party… to two factions not actually having much of any substance differentiating them, other than a few cultural matters relating to sexuality, and tactical differences over how to achieve the very same strategic goals.

It’s an objective reality that there is no actual two-party system existing here. All the government seats, having any power, are filled by Republicans and Democrats who are all purchased by corporations. Republicans and Democrats are merged together under common corporate ownership. In all substantive matters, Republicans and Democrats all take their directives from corporations. The corporations provide the legislation which the Republicans and Democrats dutifully, in the corporate persons’ interests, vote upon (usually without reading), with each of their votes determined by which groups of corporations own them. Power rests in but one single corporate state party, which ingeniously deceptively presents itself as being two; thereby providing a perfect means to confuse and misdirect the energies of natural persons.

The fraudulent claim that Republicans and Democrats represent two distinctly different parties is the BIG LIE upon which the credibility of all the other lies that maintain this rotten system depend.

Referring to them as separate and distinct parties, or “the major parties” (plural), or by referring to any true alternative party as a “3rd” party, counter-productively perpetuates that BIG LIE.

Luck is undependable. Good skill to you.

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By Anarcissie, January 11, 2011 at 1:04 am Link to this comment

skimohawk, January 11 at 5:31 am:

‘... Now: back to the subject at hand: WHO are the companies/corporations supporting the war who are in the business of selling products and services to the consumer?
Where do we start?’

During the Vietnam War, when I became aware of what was going on there, I decided that I wanted to not work for any company that either made weapons or other war materiel, or that supplied such companies.  After a few months of research I found that just about all manufacturing and services were connected in one way or another.  There was really very little business not hooked into the war system in one way or another.

You can try not paying taxes or, going further, withdrawing entirely from productive labor available to the government, but in a way the rich are already doing this for you.  They don’t pay taxes or do productive work, and on a much larger scale than you could ever hope to.

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By skimohawk, January 11, 2011 at 12:31 am Link to this comment

Anybody with their eyes open knows both Democrats and Republicans are equally as culpable in their support ( implicit or otherwise ) of war. Stop arguing about goddam PARTY! They’re both in bed with the banks and weapons manufacturers. If you haven’t figured it out yet, you’re not paying attention. Go third party or boycott the election. Simple.

And yes, gerard, we know who makes the weaponry, but I’m not one of Boeing’s or Lockheed’s customers ( nor are any others reading here. )

Blow me off if you wish, but I’m not able to come up with a more effective method ( that is legal ) to engage in a war against war, other than boycott.
I mentioned this in another thread here.

I would rather go thirsty than drink “Snapple”, only because Rush Limbaugh used to pitch it on his show.
Does it matter?
I am, after all, just another angel dancing on the head of a pin.

Now: back to the subject at hand: WHO are the companies/corporations supporting the war who are in the business of selling products and services to the consumer?
Where do we start?

Stop the blame game! Some of you guys are pretty smart- let’s see some solutions! We know what the problem is. Stop bitching and start offering IDEAS.

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By plainsman, January 11, 2011 at 12:04 am Link to this comment

Well TAO Walker,

With “If we thought there was no “hope” we wouldn’t bother even to offer this reminder of The Good Medicine of Organic Functional Integrity ...” you lay your cards on the table. I and several others have asked you to elaborate on your better way; but clearly you are just another of the many ranters on Truthdig.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, January 10, 2011 at 11:41 pm Link to this comment

Skimohawk

Boy, is it fascinating to watch the deep discussion here.. Just HOW many angels
can dance on the head of a pin? Does it depend on the circumference of the
pin?

Enquiring minds want to know.

As to who to boycott? Who supports the illegal wars?

How about Democrats and Republicans.. Not to mention the various “peace and
justice groups” who support them and carry water for them. Who to boycott?
Dems and Repubs in ALL elections. Then the corporate media. All of them.
Contact them and let them all know why you are boycotting them.

Include the “progressive” blogs and “news sites like Common Dreams, Op Ed
News, Daily KOS and others. Those who participate in suppression and
censorship of people speaking the truth about Obama and the Dems.

THEN comes the real fun part.

ORGANIZE, participate in building a RESISTANCE to the Empire.

For my small part, I am involved in building a new political party in Minnesota,
called the MN Open Progressives.. We are very open and honest about our
opposition to the two party system.

Also, I work with a Direct Action Single Payer Healthcare group called UH-CAN.

I am also a co-producer of a cable news show called “Lies and Omissions of
Corporate Media.” On top of which,  I work with a local anti police brutality
group CUAPB and have just volunteered to work with the newly restarted AIM
(American Indian Movement) Street Patrol..

So to those here who are blogging their way to the new revolution..

Please carry on.. It is fascinating.. How many Angels is it now?

Grin.

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By gerard, January 10, 2011 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment

shimohawk:  Google:  defense contractors
              armament manufacturers
              major arms industries

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By skimohawk, January 10, 2011 at 10:39 pm Link to this comment

The back-and-forth sniping is neither productive or ( for the most part ) worth reading. Moreover, most of it is incoherent. I suggest to those of you who apparently are here only to make others wrong exchange email addresses and trade your vitriol elsewhere.

Solutions, gentlemen, solutions!
Stop bitching and provide SOLUTIONS!
WHO are the companies/corporations who profit from and/or support the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? NAMES?

I haven’t shopped at Safeway for over 40 years. They supported the war in Vietnam.

Let’s see some NAMES of companies/organizations who are war supporters so we know WHO to boycott.

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By FRTothus, January 10, 2011 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

Say what you like, rant and criticize, but still pay
the taxes that support it?  I say No Representation, No
Taxation!  What better act reminiscent of the best in
our history, and an act of non-violent civil
disobedience that takes real bravery, real courage of
conviction, has real consequences, not some act of
street theatre for a day, not some meek, pleading
letter or petition, not some meaningless vote.  Money
is what keeps the empire chugging along, the only
language the elites understand.  Say no where it
counts. Stop supporting it.

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By FRTothus, January 10, 2011 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

Say what you like, rant and criticize, but still pay
the taxes that support it?  I say No Representation, No
Taxation!  What better act of reminiscent of the best
in our history, and an act of non-violent civil
disobedience that takes real bravery, real courage of
conviction, has real consequences, not some act of
street theatre for a day, not some meek, pleading
letter or petition, not some meaningless vote.  Money
is what keeps the empire chugging along, the only
language the elites understand.  Say no where it
counts. Stop supporting it.

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By Anarcissie, January 10, 2011 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

mdgr, January 11 at 12:50 am:

‘... That leaves us with various forms of confrontation, some more suicidal than others. Recently in an interview, you said we might need to break the law.

Any chance of clarifying exactly what you meant by that? You’re a realist at heart. Let’s get real.’

Besides confrontation, there are various forms of subversion/seduction and indirection that ought to be considered.

But regardless of what you do, I suggest that you not discuss doing specific, seriously illegal things on the Net.

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By Textynn, January 10, 2011 at 9:33 pm Link to this comment
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The Dems and the Repubs are nothing but two heads of a single elite serving hydra. We must find our Independent candidate now. Right now the hydra is unchallenged. Obama will be glamored in humble concern for the working people momentarily come Nov. 2012 and the people will foolishly vote for him again hoping for the change that never comes.

Who is going to oppose the hydra?  What is the name of our champion?????????????????????????? We are already late. We must began NOW.

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By radson, January 10, 2011 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

Garth you are not alone.

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By radson, January 10, 2011 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

Gerard I am using the word ‘progress’ as an oxymoron as a contradiction .You are aware of it ,but your question is ;as I understand directed towards the unsuspecting on the site.

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