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An audience member takes a photo of President Obama as he speaks during a campaign event at the University of Illinois at Chicago in January.

By Robert Scheer

Let’s just dip our fingers in purple ink and pose for photos now that voting has the same significance for us as it had for those Iraqis who got conned into thinking they were participating in some grand democratic experiment.

Our own elections, the ones our government has modeled for the world, are a hoax. What other word should we use to describe this year’s presidential election, whose outcome will turn on which party’s super PACs gets the most generous bribes from billionaires? The Republicans, enabled by decisions of a Supreme Court they still control, were the first out of the gate and are far more culpable in destroying our system of popular governance. But the Democrats, no less committed to winning at any cost to political principle, have now jumped in. 

The generally reserved New York Times editorial page responded to the Obama campaign’s decision to seek super PAC funding with a scathing editorial headlined “Another Campaign for Sale.” The Times reminded that Barack Obama, in his State of the Union speech two years ago, called out the Supreme Court justices sitting before him over their decision to free special interests from campaign spending limits. “I don’t think American elections should be bankrolled by America’s most powerful interests,” Obama said then. “They should be decided by the American people.” But sadly, as the Times editorial noted this week, “On Monday, the President abandoned that fundamental principle and gave in to the culture of the Citizens United decision that he once denounced as a ‘threat to our democracy.’ ”

Monday was the day the Obama campaign sent out an e-mail announcing that members of the president’s administration would solicit funds for Priorities USA Action, one of the super PACs that can now, thanks to the Supreme Court decisions that Obama had castigated, raise unlimited funds in an effort to sway the election.

Just as the super political action committee supporting Republican primary contender Newt Gingrich had raised $10 million from Nevada gambling kingpin Sheldon Adelson and his wife, The Wall Street Journal reported that the Obama campaign set its sights on media mogul Haim Saban.

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By Mark E. Smith, February 16, 2012 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

The Greeks managed to elect at least six good people to their Parliament.

When at least half a million Greeks were rioting in the streets and instead of representing their constituents, the government majority pushed through the new austerity measures on behalf of the banks, the corporations, the IMF, and the global 1%, the good people had no way to block it (it is majority rule rather than consensus), so they resigned.

That was the only thing they could do to show that they sided with the people and not with the government.

We don’t seem to have any good people in our Congress. Some talk a good game, but when Congress acts against the interests of the people, none of them resign. Actually a few do, but they give other reasons.

One good guy in Congress from my area resigned to run for local Mayor, saying that he believed that he would have more power as a Mayor than as a Congressman. That’s a clever way of saying that a minority in Congress has no power. But since the feds are defunding the states and the states are defunding the counties and cities, even good Mayors can’t accomplish much either.

When power is vested in the hands of government instead of in the hands of the people, it is an undemocratic form of government and people shouldn’t vote in its sham elections.

Here’s a good article on what is happening in Greece and will soon be happening to us:

Greece: A brutal experiment on people’s lives

http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/49996

That’s what happens when people vote to delegate their power to representatives instead of retaining power in the hands of the people where it belongs.

Don’t vote—it is suicide to trust government to make the right decisions.

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By Leefeller, February 16, 2012 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

Well the GOP needs the votes for Jill Stine or Rocky, maybe once again we can be entertained by an election won by hanging chads!

Santroum for President, he has a snow balls chance to win and has a plan for you!

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By David J. Cyr, February 16, 2012 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

A corporate party Democrat who is perceived to be good is a Democrat who has succeeded in deceiving the perceivers.

If they were actually good, they wouldn’t be — and wouldn’t be allowed to be — a corporate party candidate.

If there’s no non-corporate candidate on the ballot, then cast a write-in vote for an actually good non-corporate candidate… or other deserving natural person, if there’s no people’s candidate.

Protest votes are the only votes that are not wasted!

Jill Stein for President:

http://www.jillstein.org

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By ardee, February 16, 2012 at 6:01 am Link to this comment

By kulu, February 15 at 6:55 pm

Yes you are correct in that the two major parties wage endless war against ballot access by other parties. The Green Party has been uniquely successful in gaining said access, albeit slowly.

I believe, like the proverbial snowball rolling downhill, as the Green Party gains access we will see more and more of them elected to office. In the fullness of time, and despite the lack of access to ballots and to the media, as well as the inequality of access to the unlimited funding of our two corporate owned parties, the Greens will campaign and win in increasing numbers.

If one cannnot find a Green candidate and one truly believes that another such on the ballot is a good choice then certainly vote for her, as you note it certainly beats non-participation which is only a fools choice.

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By kulu, February 15, 2012 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

David,

I believe and correct me if I’m wrong that in many states it is extremely difficult, if not impossible to get a third party candidate on the ballot. Even if this is not the case there will be occasions where some genuinely progressive individual feels his/her best chance of getting elected is via the Democratic Party. In such a case and where there is no alternative third party candidate to vote for what should the Green supporter do? Not vote? That would achieve nothing.

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By lberns1, February 15, 2012 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

“‘you cannot teach a dogma any tricks’!”

You should know. It’s your religion after all, not
mine.

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By ardee, February 15, 2012 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, February 15 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Ardee, it seems to me your argument stems from tight skivvies. If Obmas is incompetent, how then is he a corporate stooge, seem like a GOP contridiction to me?

Get a clue Lee, they are free. I re-post my statement to show your distortion thereof:

At best, Barack Obama is an incompetent, at worst a corporate stooge.

Get a clue Lee, this is not up to your usual standards.

Diamond (in the rough)

You have absolutely no sense of humor, or is it just this week?

I ‘don’t look shrewish’? What is that supposed to mean? Do you work for the CIA?

You gotta be kidding here! Somebody with an actual funny bone clue the lady in please…goyisha kupf for certain!


But, no, I don’t care about your stupid games. The fact is, if anything else had failed for over a quarter of a century you would have the sense not to support it.

Moronic statement follows in a Diamond parade of them…..

The Green Party has made steady progress, despite your own ignorance, or more probably, refusal to see the way your own abysmal and traitorous party helped block entry to ballots in almost every state. The Greens are electing more and more local and state candidates and will, inevitably elect national ones as well. Rant and rave all you want about it.

If more fools like you would see how your own party has betrayed your own goals for this nation progress would be quicker…but it will be inevitable without you.


The Green Party is your blind spot, that is, if your ‘legend’ is not a legend.

..and the Democratic Party, with its silenced black caucus, progressive caucus, slavish devotion to corporate funding, a President bloody to his armpits and raking in corporate cash as fast as he can, continuing war, torture and murder is your blind spot,Diamond….Pot meets kettle, dinner ensues.


Your hatred of the Democrats, on the other hand, is obvious.

The only thing obvious is that you must be PMS.

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By Leefeller, February 15, 2012 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

Well there is the old saying ‘you cannot teach an old dog new tricks’!  Now there is the Leefeller saying, ‘you cannot teach a dogma any tricks’! As for the dog stick trick, leave those to Romney and Santorum they are experts in the concept of man on dog, though maybe lberns1 is also?

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By lberns1, February 15, 2012 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

“You know calling me or anyone who dost not agree with
you about Obama an apologist is a tad insulting,”

Typical stupid partisan bootlicker logic.  You are an
apologist, and a stooge, Leefeller. You and your GOP counterparts are like the dog that falls for the fake
throwing the stick trick, except the dog figures out
much sooner that he’s being deceived.

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By Leefeller, February 15, 2012 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

Ardee, it seems to me your argument stems from tight skivvies. If Obmas is incompetent, how then is he a corporate stooge, seem like a GOP contridiction to me?

For instance Wisconsin Walker is a classic corporate stooge and not at all incompetent, for he has done the bidding of his Koch benefactors to a T, except the people of Wisconsin decided to call him out on his stooginess attacks on the 99 percent.

If indeed Obama is a stooge, where has his stoogeness surfaced?  Never good enough, or not the way Ardee would have handled it? All the GOPER arguments and more?  Even Obama has admitted mistakes, I find his admittance most refreshing.  By the way, Obama needs to have a second term, because I want to see him make the NRA asses day by taking away their guns and dim dum rounds as the big Obama conspiracy, simply because Obama did not do it in his first term?

You know calling me or anyone who dost not agree with you about Obama an apologist is a tad insulting, but I will consider the stewing sauce! Vote for Jim Stine, like I really care, if we get Santroum as our next president, I will call you a Beer Stine apologist, just to rub it in!

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By diamond, February 15, 2012 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

“At best, Barack Obama is an incompetent, at worst a corporate stooge.”

And Nader is a man who will never be president at all. And the Green Party is a party that has never had anyone elected federally in over 25 years. Surely a high level of incompetence and failure to communicate is involved in that.

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By diamond, February 15, 2012 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

“My final words to one who seems to be a shrew, funny you don’t look shrewish. I do not care how long it might take, I care that third party presence in our fascist government seems to be the only course of action open to the American voter. I do not care that you are blind and stupidly devoted to a party that has sold you out repeatedly. That is, after all, your problem.”

I ‘don’t look shrewish’? What is that supposed to mean? Do you work for the CIA? But, no, I don’t care about your stupid games. The fact is, if anything else had failed for over a quarter of a century you would have the sense not to support it. The Green Party is your blind spot, that is, if your ‘legend’ is not a legend. There is no third party presence in the government: or do you not understand that simply fielding candidates and repeatedly getting nowhere is not being part of the government? It is failing to be part of the government. The choice is to vote for a party that cannot form government or to vote for one that can. Voting for one you know can’t form government only gives the Republicans a better chance of being the government and if you can do even elementary math that should be obvious. You claim not to support the Republicans and yet your voting pattern is to support a party that cannot defeat them, thereby helping them. Your hatred of the Democrats, on the other hand, is obvious.

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By ardee, February 15, 2012 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, February 15 at 12:37 pm

I must confess that your simplistic apology for Obama’s incompetence and inaction is far too common among apologists here and elsewhere.

Do you honestly hold that anyone ignores the obstructionism of the GOP? Or the damaging effects of too much money spent on too many politicians? Of course you find it a convenient niche, however smarmy ( sorry), to hang your loyalist screed on.

Leaders lead, principled people stand on their principles. Obama has failed utterly to battle for his causes ( supposed), instead making wonderful if empty speeches and doing absolutely nothing else. He has filled his administration with those guarranteed to carry on the amorality of Big Business, as well as assure the Democrats of all that campaign cash you bemoan as if only the Republicans got it.

The Presidency is a bully pulpit, one that could have been used to carry his message and calls for support to the people, explaining, educating and asking for support against those rascally wabbits, the GOP. Instead he made pretty speeches and waffled.

Worse yet he carried on with Bush 43 policies, wars, tortures and murders. But the checks from the MIC must look darn good!

At best, Barack Obama is an incompetent, at worst a corporate stooge.

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By Leefeller, February 15, 2012 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

Obama has not done what he set out to do, nor has he done what he said he was going to do, well most of it anyway, I suppose this is how some people look at the presidency, like the head of the household, the king, the despot in charge, so he should have done everything with out a hitch, but it is so damn convenient to ignore the constant obstruction sponsored by Congress whose only job has been to make sure Obama is not successful, so it tis without reservations or any hiding in the closet the 1 percent purchase their politicians like the prostitutes they are.

We need to get the money out, anyone who dost not see this is one, a potential opportunist, two an idiot and three a GOPER dogman supporter!

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By David J. Cyr, February 15, 2012 at 5:04 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, kulu:

“Oh, and the third possibility is to try to get proven, non-corrupted Democrat candidates”
___________

Any person who seeks to be a corporate party Democrat candidate has proven that they are corrupt.

The function of the corporate party’s Republicans is to GOTV for the corporate party’s Democrats.

The function of the corporate party’s Democrats is to ensure that elections serve no good purpose.

Vote in revolt!

Jill Stein for President:

http://www.jillstein.org

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By PatrickHenry, February 15, 2012 at 4:30 am Link to this comment

Republican voters.

http://rt.com/usa/news/million-dead-registration-system-311/

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By ardee, February 15, 2012 at 4:27 am Link to this comment

Diamond becomes increasingly strident, what a surprise!

Oh, Christ! Face reality, that is the reality of today not some utopia that will someday, when he’s ninety and has snow white hair make Ralph Nader president. Nader will NEVER, NEVER, EVER be president. And what percentage of the vote do the Greens usually get?

I might offer that you perform an anatomically impossible task upon yourself, but that would be counter productive to the continued imparting of positions. Though your position, discounting the anatomically impossible thingie, becomes increasingly silly and, as I noted, strident.

Because you have a short attention span, because you are a typical American , woman or not, and demand immediate satisfaction and even quicker gratification is not the point here, Diamond..

Continue to vote for your beloved Corporatist Party all you wish, that makes you the fool here. Continue to ignore the mountain of evidence that Obama is, at best, an incompetent, and, at worst, a tool of the real rulers of your party, the GOP and the nations governance. That is your choice.

I have delineated many reasons why I do not follow your suggestions. You descend into shrillness and stridency, thanks for undermining your own position.

My final words to one who seems to be a shrew, funny you don’t look shrewish. I do not care how long it might take, I care that third party presence in our fascist government seems to be the only course of action open to the American voter. I do not care that you are blind and stupidly devoted to a party that has sold you out repeatedly. That is, after all, your problem.

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By diamond, February 15, 2012 at 1:36 am Link to this comment

“Where she and I differ is for whom to cast our ballot. I voted Nader three times and believe that voting for Green candidates can and someday will alter the fabric of our political system.”

Oh, Christ! Face reality, that is the reality of today not some utopia that will someday, when he’s ninety and has snow white hair make Ralph Nader president. Nader will NEVER, NEVER, EVER be president. And what percentage of the vote do the Greens usually get?

“As of May 2011 there was only one Federal elected Green member on the North American continent - in Canada, Elizabeth May, and there remains no representation in the United States. Greens first ran for public office in 1985.”  Wikipedia

1985, Ardee. At this rate you can expect a green to get elected federally in America when there is a colony on the moon and the earth is a destroyed ruin. In the meantime it seems you’re perfectly happy for the Republicans to wreak havoc on your fellow citizens all over again because you’re too pure and precious to vote for the Democrats because they are not as pure and precious as you are. If you had voted for Nader once and then come to your senses I would have hope for you, but three times? Obama is not perfect, you’re absolutely correct, but he is a million times better than any of the racist, free market, war mongering, worker-hating, sexist, religious fundamentalist, Israel adoring, far right wing nuts on offer from the Republicans. To vote Green when America is in such peril is an act of utter irresponsibility.

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By kulu, February 15, 2012 at 1:00 am Link to this comment

There are only two (perhaps three) ways to bring about change for the better in America and hence the Western world which basically follow America’s demands. The two - by no means mutually exclusive - ways I see to affect change are by voting for a third party, preferably the Greens, and by mass grass roots protest such as is now taking place throughout the world.

Obviously it would be nice if the protests could achieve their aims by peaceful means but, as the violent crackdowns in the Middle East and to a lesser extent the US indicate, the other side does not have any qualms about using violence itself. And the more threatened they feel themselves to be the more violent will be their responses.

Obviously voting for a third party will not achieve results overnight but a start must be made sometime if we are ever going convince the Diamonds of this world that voting for the supposed lesser evil will bring the change we so desperately need.

Oh, and the third possibility is to try to get proven, non-corrupted Democrat candidates into the contest so that if their is no actual third party candidate contesting a particular seat then at least the Democratic candidate offers something better than the status quo.

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By lberns1, February 14, 2012 at 5:17 pm Link to this comment

“If you do not vote you have no right to criticize, in my opinion.”

I used to think like that, too.  In fact, I used to be a pretty hardcore
progressive.  Not anymore.  Governments are just sophisticated crime syndicates
that use threats of violence and coercion as a means to an end.  So, whether I
vote or note, I have every right to criticize an organization that has no problem
throwing me in a cage (or shooting me) for disagreeing with it.  The idea that a
peaceful, cohesive, just, and moral society can be achieved through the barrel of
a gun is, to me, beyond absurd.  And that is all government is.  A gun.

So, while you have a right to live under such a system if you wish, you do not
have a right to push, by force, that system on me (which is exactly what happened
to your ancestors by that gang of thugs calling itself the United States
Government). 

Other than that, I agree with everything else you said.

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By ardee, February 14, 2012 at 4:46 pm Link to this comment

By lberns1, February 14 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

Don’t waste your time with diamond, ardee.  He’s just another partisan apologist who is under the delusion that because he can vote, he has a voice. 

Firstly, I believe Diamond is a woman. Secondly I believe in voting myself. Participation is key to change. If you do not vote you have no right to criticize, in my opinion.

Where she and I differ is for whom to cast our ballot. I voted Nader three times and believe that voting for Green candidates can and someday will alter the fabric of our political system.

While Diamond chooses to glorify the sad records of an intelligent but obviously incompetent President, Barack Obama, and give dire warnings of doom and gloom following a Romney or Santorum victory I see differently.

I see a President who still maintains secret prisons, still tortures, kills indiscriminately with drones, including believing he has the right to murder American citizens without trial . I see a supposed constitutional scholar spurn investigations of wrong doing by our financial community , instead filling his administration with the very crooks who wrecked our damn economy.

As to Diamonds hinting at a Romney invasion of Iran I fail to see where the Obama administration is any less likely to do so. Nor do I think Diamond very intelligent in thinking that, despite the Bush wrecking of the economy, three and a half years of Obama inaction and collusion is worthy of another vote.

I am looking at the long term with my vote. Diamond thinks voting for crooks and liars of a possibly lesser stripe than other crooks and liars is a way to change things. I do not.

But I do dialogue with her still. There are two with whom I would agree that talking is a waste of time, one the former Rico, the current IMax and the newly feminine…;-) what a confused and stupid person! The other a genuine buffoon, lower case bill, a legend in his own mind. Two really silly human beings. I do not believe Diamond falls into that category.

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By lberns1, February 14, 2012 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

Don’t waste your time with diamond, ardee.  He’s just
another partisan apologist who is under the delusion
that because he can vote, he has a voice.  I know,
pretty silly.  He also no doubt believes that voting
for the lesser of two evils is the only practical
option.  I just think it nets evil.  He completely
overlooks the fact that Obomber has pretty much
carried forward the Bush regime’s security theater
beyond what even Bush could have dreamed of.  diamond
is what Cindy Sheehan would refer to as a faux-
gressive.  A fraud.

It is absolutely justifiable for you to get the fuck
out of this police state.  diamond is just another
disgusting partisan bootlicking apologist.  Ignore
him and continue to follow your conscience.

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By omop, February 14, 2012 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer hopefully and a few others might enjoy viewing A George Carlin
gig on “elections and such”.

Caution: Carlin is known for his use of 4 letter words. Still pertinent in mo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB-HZG1Zh7s

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By diamond, February 14, 2012 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

“We have seen every campaign promise disappear without a trace. We have seen the same criminals injected into the Obama administration, as we have Jeffrey Imeld, a CEO of General Electric , a company that has outsourced tens of thousands of jobs, placed as head of a committee to create jobs here…Is that the actions of a sincere and trustworthy President? C’mon Diamond, you are much smarter than this.”

I dispute your analysis of Obama as president but be that as it may, how will not voting or voting for the Greens change anything for the better? Do you seriously believe that if the Republicans get back into the White House, as they will if enough voters don’t vote or vote for parties that can’t win, this will be better than what is there now? Frankly, that scenario is too horrible to even contemplate. And have you forgotten so soon who completely destroyed not only America’s economy but the global economy? Here’s a hint: it wasn’t Barack Obama. All your whining about jobs should be written in a letter and mailed off to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Obama has been cleaning up their mess ever since he took office and if he hasn’t sprouted wings and fixed it all in a trice that only proves he’s human and faced with a task that requires a generation to complete. He doesn’t have a generation and the tragedy is that no president does. But be sure to get back to me when Mitt Romney is presiding over the invasion of Iran and is dismantling what’s left of civil society and tell me again why Obama had to go. Mitt Romney has said he would make Guantanamo Bay twice as big and that corporations are people. Are you prepared to risk HIM or any of the flakes the Republicans have put forward becoming president? You’re not in a video game: actions have consequences and revenge is a dish best served cold.

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By ardee, February 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

By diamond, February 13 at 2:12 pm

You simply cannot be serious. “Blaming Obama is futile” you blather. Diamond ,dear lady, leaders lead, leaders take responsibility and leaders take the blame for their incompetence and their inactions.

We have seen Democrats in control of the Legislature, both Houses in fact, we have seen them in control of the White House as well, and at the same damn time. Yet the GOP ruled then as now. Why, one wonders, does Obama make so many beautiful speeches and then takes ugly actions?

We have seen Eric Holder vow to investigate and prosecute the criminals who crashed our economy for their personal gain. We have seen that vow disintegrate into shiny ether. We have seen a previous administration lie us into a war that has cost tens of thousands of lives and again no investigations much less prosecutions.

We have seen every campaign promise disappear without a trace. We have seen the same criminals injected into the Obama administration, as we have Jeffrey Imeld, a CEO of General Electric , a company that has outsourced tens of thousands of jobs, placed as head of a committee to create jobs here…Is that the actions of a sincere and trustworthy President? C’mon Diamond, you are much smarter than this.

Why on earth do you continue to support a party that has betrayed every value you have stated over time on this forum? Its a damn mystery.

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By diamond, February 13, 2012 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

“Instead it was the impossibility of ignoring the need to compromise in legislation due to the number of parties involved in said negotiations. While you refuse to deal with your own party’s betrayal of the working class, again and again, or discuss why ,whether in the majority or minority, Republicans rule the roost. Or even why your precious President makes glorious speeches and then backs down and reverses himself at the slightest provocation.

To say that the French are smarter or more focussed than Americans is simply crap, and there is no need to discuss such blatant nonsense. It is a prejudicial and biased nonsense and far, far beneath you ,Diamond. It stems, I believe ,from the impossibility of your task, defense of the indefensible.”

So, too many cooks spoiled the broth. Isn’t this the exact opposite of your cry that only multi-party politics will save the day? I didn’t say the French were smarter I said they were better educated, something you simply cannot deny or finesse in any way. And especially better educated on their own history and politics. Americans only think about politics every four years and that’s not enough, needless to say.

I don’t think you can get anywhere claiming that the French Revolution has nothing to do with the French political character of today. Americans compete with each other for the crumbs from the King’s table while the French decided to get rid of Kings and aristocrats once and for all. America is mired in political ignorance and a ferocious anti-intellectualism which means that the questions of history which the French addressed in such a radical and final way -questions of class and social justice- are never even discussed in America let alone addressed. The more educated people are, the more ‘left’ they are but the right solved that problem by moving education out of the reach of all but a privileged few. So far that tactic is working. You seem to have the neo con idea that history is over but as many clever and well-educated people have pointed out history is never over but continues in a circular fashion bringing problems to the fore again and again until they are dealt with.

Blaming Obama is futile and disguises the real problems and the real culprits but I suppose it helps to pass the time until the next ‘Dancing with the Stars’ program is on.

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By ardee, February 13, 2012 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

diamond, February 13 at 1:02 pm

So then you place the cause of France’s liberal laws and benefits packages on the French Revolution. Seriously Diamond, please do not hurt yourself making this stretch.

Any perusal of the history of the working class in France might disabuse you of this belief. Mdme. DeFarge never knitted mandatory one month vacations,universal health care or liberal maternity benefits for both parents.

Instead it was the impossibility of ignoring the need to compromise in legislation due to the number of parties involved in said negotiations. While you refuse to deal with your own party’s betrayal of the working class, again and again, or discuss why ,whether in the majority or minority, Republicans rule the roost. Or even why your precious President makes glorious speeches and then backs down and reverses himself at the slightest provocation.

To say that the French are smarter or more focussed than Americans is simply crap, and there is no need to discuss such blatant nonsense. It is a prejudicial and biased nonsense and far, far beneath you ,Diamond. It stems, I believe ,from the impossibility of your task, defense of the indefensible.

You say voting third party is a waste of a vote, I say voting Democratic Party is a waste of a vote, and I have recent history on my side. In a system in which both Duopoly Parties jealously guard their monopoly, working tirelessly to keep Green Party candidates off ballots the successes we have accomplished are remarkable. We will continue to grow this party, despite party hacks like you.

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By diamond, February 13, 2012 at 2:02 pm Link to this comment

“Why? Because you say so….The nation with the most enlightened benefits of any western industrialized country , France, has multiple party participation. Thus the progressive ideal is never off the table.”

No, because it’s true. And you compare America with France? The reason France has what you describe is because people in France understand that it’s their right to live in a civilized country. Americans don’t understand that. They are in competition with each other fighting over the crumbs that fall from the King’s table. The French gave up on kings and aristocrats and cut their heads off. You must be able to see that the situation and the understanding of how things should be are very different in France and America. It’s not just a matter of having a multitude of parties but what the people are prepared to accept and how well educated they are. That’s why you have votes for third parties in America counted in the thousands and for the other parties counted in the millions. Until Americans believe they are entitled to decent, publicly funded health care enough of them will believe in death panels and a Marxist plot to take away their ‘rights’ to give the media a disinformation campaign to run - rights which don’t exist, by the way, because the right decided to take everything for themselves.

At this point voting for third party candidates is throwing away your vote and not voting only helps the Republicans to reoccupy the White House and invade Iran. Daydreaming about France won’t change that. The more educated people are, the more ‘left’ they are. The right in America decided to solve that problem by moving education out of the reach of everyone but a fortunate few. And that tactic has worked for a long time. Voting for a third party candidate under America’s circumstances is like shouting into a canyon - all you hear is your own voice, echoing.

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By moonraven, February 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

Just a little PS to my last comment:  Leave it to the Truthdig Troll of the Week, the absolutely off the rails Ardee, to tell a Native American that she is not wanted in the rogue state which was founded on land stolen from her and other indigenous folks.

The ultimate in mean-spirited White Is Right crapola.

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By moonraven, February 13, 2012 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

Ardee once again rants, raves and spews hatespeech and insults at other posters.

I am not the coward here.  The cowards are those of you who continue to vote for your own hangmen because you have neither the intelligence nor the valor to do anything else.  It takes courage to say:  I’m not doing this shit anymore, and to pull up stakes and set off for another country with no job or anything else in sight.

Addicts to your fantasies, that’s what you are.  You are not fighting for anything except the Truthdig Troll of the Week roll of toilet paper.

Never come between an addict and his/her addictive substance.  Boy, do they get MEAN.

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By ardee, February 13, 2012 at 4:45 am Link to this comment

diamond, February 12 at 6:45 pm

A vote for third parties is a wasted vote.

Why? Because you say so….The nation with the most enlightened benefits of any western industrialized country , France, has multiple party participation. Thus the progressive ideal is never off the table.

Your repeated shilling for the Democrats becomes tedious as ,every day, your party and its leadership betray us all.


By Lafayette, February 12 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

  RD: But Obama has refused to stand up and fight for anything at all.

And once again I must remind you that we have a tripartite system of government.

Yes, and Obama is the head of one branch thereof.

Pray tell, how does a PotUS “lead” by, for instance, passing legislation for a second Stimulus Spending package if the House votes it down. Or the fact that the Health Care Public Option was sacrificed entirely because the Senate Replicants threatened to filibuster the entire bill to death.

Obama is a fraud, empty speeches and cowardice in the face of opposition are not qualities of leadership.

The Health Care package was subverted prior to its ever coming up for a vote. Obama chose continuing corporate contributions over the single payer option, he chose continued huge profits for his fat cat donors over what was best for the people of the nation he supposedly leads..

A real leader understands where his strength lies, with the people. If Obama was the genuine article, instead of the corporate shill he really is, he would have, in the face of GOP opposition, taken his case to his strength, the people of this nation. Instead he displayed cowardice, or worse, hypocrisy.

Moomraven,

You chose the cowards way, leaving the country. Now you post from your bastion of safety and demean your betters who remain to continue the fight here. Stay gone, we don’t need you here..

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By lberns1, February 13, 2012 at 4:31 am Link to this comment

“Obama’s no fool and he knows history”

He certainly does, and is using it to his advantage. 
He has proven to be as bad as the Bush regime.  I
have zero respect for anyone who’d vote for that POS
after 4 years of his lies and deceit.  He is clearly
not the answer.  No politician/leader can set the right
course.  They never could. 

I’ve since come to the conclusion that voting is a
waste of time, therefore I’ve dropped out.  By doing
so, I stop legitimizing a corrupt system.  I reject
top down solutions to social issues and instead
embrace ground up solutions.

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By diamond, February 12, 2012 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

“...the long term fight has been on going just happens to be more blatant right now,  as it has returned in the Red States and Congress, seeking to form a new McCarthyism.”

Exactly. A vote for the Republicans is a vote for McCarthyism. A vote for third parties is a wasted vote. Not voting is a vote for McCarthyism. America’s future as a democracy hangs in the balance. The next election will determine democracy’s fate and those who want it to survive have to vote for it.

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By Leefeller, February 12, 2012 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Enlightening post Diamond not only because I agree with most of it, but the long term fight has been on going just happens to be more blatant right now,  as it has returned in the Red States and Congress, seeking to form a new McCarthyism. 

Lack of respect in general toward individuals, minorities and working people, the insults toward a minority president. Unlimited power by a few, control of the media not by the government but by the same few and of course disenfranchisement and a clear inequality, which seems to be leaning towards what I suspect is despotism.

The Brown Shirts are here!

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By diamond, February 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

“I cannot imagine FDR or even Truman behaving so cowardly and reprehensibly.”

As a matter of a fact FDR did wage an heroic struggle against the very same groups and corrupters of democracy that Obama now faces. The difference is, he won. At least temporarily, but if you don’t think the Republican Party and the corporations haven’t spent every waking moment since he won methodically undoing everything he did, then you’re dreaming. And standing up to those crazed, amoral forces when you’re in a wheelchair is heroic however the far right chooses to spin it. The revenge of the corrupt and the stupid was the House UnAmerican Activities Committee which removed some the most able and intelligent advisers FDR had and treated them like criminals. And you want to talk about reprehensible? To this day the zombies on Fox Newt talk about “Obamacare” as if it was a traitorous attack on American democracy and even though you want to blame Obama, haven’t we seen all this before?

Remember what the media did to Hillary Clinton and how those no-neck, brain dead idiots burned her in effigy for wanting to bring in a publicly funded form of healthcare -the public option that the private health insurance corporations will never allow under any circumstances. Not because it’s bad for the majority of Americans, it isn’t. The reason they won’t allow it is that it would provide competition for them and not allow them to charge outrageous premiums for health insurance with outrageous ‘get out of jail’ clauses that mean they can treat the sickest the worst, and in most cases with complete contempt. Obama’s no fool and he knows history: he knows exactly what he’s up against and knows what FDR did and would do the same if he could. He also knows the media in the United States has been bought lock, stock and barrel, as has the Congress and he won’t get any help from them. One of FDR’s main advisers was John Maynard Keynes and the proof he and FDR were right is before your eyes wherever you look. Take a look around the world at the global economic situation and you can see the Anti-Keynesians have once again created havoc and made themselves obscenely rich in the process. You say Obama is a coward because he hasn’t single-handedly reformed the system the way FDR did but you’re overlooking the fact that FDR was elected president four times and lived in an era when something like Fox News was unimaginable. He had a lot more time to put reform in place and consolidate it and no 24 hour propaganda news cycle to keep ahead of. This is the real reason nothing ever changes in America: because the average American has been fed bullshit and kept in the dark so long that they will attack anyone who tries to take them out of the dark. This is the victory of the stupid and the corrupt. The calls not to vote are part of that.

As for Truman:

“ Tales of the abuse, violence, and persecution suffered by many African American veterans upon their return from World War II infuriated Truman, and were a major factor in his decision to issue Executive Order 9981, in July 1948, to back civil rights initiatives and require equal opportunity in the armed forces.”

Clearly, Truman had his faults, but he was not completely ‘reprehensible’ .

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By whitedog, February 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

Should have said that my future voting for Obama to prevent any Republican landing in the White House would be my sincere gesture. I will do it just in case by some miracle it will count. More like a prayer. My ritual of hope

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By whitedog, February 12, 2012 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

Apparently I am insulted for speaking about the Green Party from experience. And for saying that I vote to invest some sincerity in a failed system. Hmm And sure I’ve enjoyed some pretty fine buds but not for a little while, I can’t enjoy it anymore without the good surroundings of a decent world or the promise of one.

Are we going to read each others posts for imagined faults or real ones. And if we can’t distinguish the real from the false here, with whom and where can we excercise any true wisdom?

Banter will only ever just be banter.

I’m looking for real wisdom, myself. Can relax only in the presence of that which is based on truth. And I wish I could find it more.

Obama rose to the White House in 4, count em, years, doesn’t that say anything to you who want to pretend he is pure as the driven snow? I believe he can be brought to some version of good sense, but hasn’t yet. Not yet. But I will vote for him to prevent the arrival of even one more Republican in the westwing. And that’s my sad-even desolate version of present day wisdom

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By moonraven, February 12, 2012 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

Your vote is not counted anyway—and besides it doesn’t matter for whom you vote—you lose.

Some folks have asked me why I don’t vote absentee ballot from Mexico.  Hah!  tell me the last time an absentee ballot was counted.

Only one time:  in Washington state’s governor’s election a few years ago—and then there was a stink because most of the absentee ballots had been tossed in the trash—as ususal.

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By PatrickHenry, February 12, 2012 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

Voting on the electronic voting machines is an act of blind faith that your vote is actually counted.

No paper trail, in god we trust.

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By Leefeller, February 12, 2012 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

Factoids must be excluded for they require something so hard to deny, called the trut! Since I love to hear myself sput me opinionated sputs of delusion,  what else can I ask for except to pat myself on the back, especially when you and maybe someone else sputs what I sput, now we are getting somewhere. Sputting impinges from like minded minions means we all sput together!

Peace O Pie!

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By moonraven, February 12, 2012 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

Mark E. Smith:

Bingo!

That makes exactly three of us on this site who actually get it.

Pretty damned sad percentage.  The rest are trolls, spammers, US government shills, folks mulitply-addicted to fantasies and the belief that white folks will all join the Forbes 500 list if enough water and booze and t.v. and oxycontin flow under the bridge—and a few proudly professional hatespeechers.

And that’s on a site that supposedly represents leftist thinking?

You folks are clearly doomed.  So glad I skedaddled from Diddlysquatsville, USA twenty years ago.

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By Jeff N., February 12, 2012 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

Yea, true enough Diamond.. I’m not really interested in blaming Obama or any individual politicians though.  They are simply names and faces within a system, they don’t have a great deal of control over what happens.  There are the occasional bright lights such as Dennis Kucinich that give me some hope, but their voices just get drowned out in the sea of corporate interests that make Washington go ‘round. 

What kind of a result can you really expect from an election in which huge blocs of big business are providing the funds to put people in office?  The biggest contributors to Obama were financial companies, and that worked out pretty well for them.  When business interests are contrary to the interests of the citizen (health care, financial reform, wars, labor laws), as they usually are, then historically you see legislation that favors big business, or simply the lack of legislation that the everyday citizen is asking for. 

So, really I agree with you that we can’t give up on this situation… but unfortunately I think we are past the simple answer of just voting the other way.  Our leaders are only as good as we make them; the rising tide of the public will is what made the New Deal and the Great Society possible.  Hopefully, through movements like OWS, the tide will rise up once more!

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By Leefeller, February 12, 2012 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

The basic plan is to divide and conquer, why do you believe the Repulcians act as they do? It seems to me the constant bringing up of mundane non issue after non issue of the day are used to instill emotionl divisions. Non issues which are constantly shoved in the peoples faces by the bought and sold Media, the choreographed politicians all for the benefit of a few wealthy benefactors, the closest thing we have seen to a peoples democracy has been OWS and as I hate to say it the manipulated Tea Party who was taken over and now manipulated by the few, you can be sure they are working on dividing OWS by manipulation and divison just as any other grass roots movement.

Get real folks President Obama has been attacked for any and everything he as done by the Repulcians and alleged left, when he really has been constantly stymied by Congress. This is all part of divisive diversionary politics, which serves only one purpose which is to make sure the restless masses do not become to uppity!

We need to get the money out, maybe then things would change, though I will not hold my breath!

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By Lafayette, February 12, 2012 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

RD: But Obama has refused to stand up and fight for anything at all.

And once again I must remind you that we have a tripartite system of government.

Pray tell, how does a PotUS “lead” by, for instance, passing legislation for a second Stimulus Spending package if the House votes it down. Or the fact that the Health Care Public Option was sacrificed entirely because the Senate Replicants threatened to filibuster the entire bill to death.

You evidently have no idea of how our tripartite system of governance works. The balance of powers is there for a reason. If it is not working now, as we might like, it is because 47% of American voters at the midterm elections voted in the T-Party (T for Troglodyte).

If you did have an idea, you’d fixate on emptying the HofR of BlueDogs and T-partiers and replacing them with more progressive representatives.

You are reaching to put the blame on Obama, when we, the sheeple, are patently responsible for this present gridlock in LaLaLand on the Potomac.

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By ardee, February 12, 2012 at 6:10 am Link to this comment

Diamond seems to conveniently forget that wars raged on under the Democrats as they did under the GOP. She also seems rather willing to excuse our President from any responsibility to lead, blaming the GOP for everything including inclement weather.

Yes, certainly, the Republicans have demonstrated a selfish disregard for their responsibilities as Legislators, true enough. But Obama has refused to stand up and fight for anything at all. He has waffled, backed down, made eloquent speeches and slunk back to his office to count his money, earned from Big Pharma and Big Oil et al.

I cannot imagine FDR or even Truman behaving so cowardly and reprehensibly.

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By Mark E. Smith, February 12 at 1:51 am Link to this comment

Voting is not a way to express your political will.

Then what the hell is it? My vote for Green Party candidates is a serious expression of my own political will. You are a living example of the sort of doublespeak Orwell wrote about in ‘1984’

To vote is to STFU and let people who don’t know or care what you want to say, speak for you.

You continue to embarrass yourself. To take an action is to not act? To vote is to fail to speak? You are some sort of disruptive influence, whether because you are a professional or simply confused.

And on the rare occasion that one of them does happen to speak for you, they’ll be outvoted by those who don’t.

As long as people like you take the position that you do we will never overcome what our two party system has become. Congratulations, Mark, you work diligently for the status quo!

You must be so proud.

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By Mark E. Smith, February 12, 2012 at 2:51 am Link to this comment

Voting is not a way to express your political will.

To vote is to STFU and let people who don’t know or care what you want to say, speak for you.

And on the rare occasion that one of them does happen to speak for you, they’ll be outvoted by those who don’t.

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By Lafayette, February 12, 2012 at 2:36 am Link to this comment

WHILE THE CAT’S AWAY ...

diamond: It is the Congress that is the problem and not voting won’t do a damn thing to change them or their corruption, it will only encourage them to do it more

Well put and the essence of this electoral year.

The presidential race is unimportant. It will be between some Plutocrat-backed Replicant candidate against Obama. And, yes, if you want to get elected to the office of dog-catcher in this country you must obtain money from a great many different scoundrels.

That is the name of the game ... at present. If you want to change the game, to get money out of politics, look to replace the Corporate Cronies in Congress. (Preferably with progressives ... if they ever get their act together.)

There is no reason why we cannot establish a regulated electoral system. For instance:
* Cap individual contributions to an individual candidate and limits them to $2500 per person, which is tax deductible if declared (with a bona fide receipt) to the IRS.
* Uncaps contributions to “get out the vote”  to one multi-partisan committee that is established to organize its distribution.
* Allows the committee a policing role to oversee expenditure of any declared political candidature.
* Disallows, by law, any corporate or union contribution to candidates.  All contributions must come from voting citizens who are registered on a voting roll held locally.

While the cat’s away, the mice will play. In American election campaigns, the cat does not even exist.

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By diamond, February 11, 2012 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

While I take your point Jeff N. about the dysfunction of American democracy, blaming Obama is futile. The sworn enemy of democracy and the American people is the Congress. In ‘Sicko’ Michael Moore’s documentary on the American health care debacle he actually had arrows over the heads of members of Congress and the amount they had been paid by private health insurance to defeat any attempt to bring in a public option. George W. Bush had $800,000 over his head, but it will take a lot to convince me that Obama has been bribed. He was defeated by the Congress which has been paid off by private health insurers. That doesn’t make him part of the problem but part of the solution. It is the Congress that is the problem and not voting won’t do a damn thing to change them or their corruption, it will only encourage them to do it more.

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By joegod, February 11, 2012 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment
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I can only hope and do my part to wake others up to the fact that the only
way this system will ever change for the better is for we the people to take
direct control of the situation-this will involve alot of legwork,reaching
out,serious discussion,meetings,action, planning and consolidation on a
local,then state, then national level. How else can the people’s interests
coalesce into an entity of it’s own that can stand against the infinitely-rich
gods of corporate greed? How can people be complacent in the face of
what’s happening in this country, if not all over the world? The “it’s too big”
or “it’s just the way it is” attitude that has infected so many Americans must
die once and for all. It doesn’t help matters that we have become cowering
sycophants to wealth and glamor,beguiled by material success as if wealth
alone makes a man noble- only in America in 2012 can a guy like Donald
Trump be tolerated on a political platform for even a second.

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By Jeff N., February 11, 2012 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

also, Death of the Liberal Class by none other than Chris Hedges has a lot of discussion about what you’re saying as well.

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By Jeff N., February 11, 2012 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

diamond, while I certainly agree with you that out of the available choices, the democrats are the lesser of the two evils… but you cannot truly believe that we are in a functioning democracy??  How’d Obama do with health care? with financial regulation?  Both parties are just different arms of the business class my friend.  Money buys elections, and elected officials back the interests of the people who put them there.  What I’m saying is not controversial in the least.  Check out “The Golden Rule” by Thomas Ferguson.

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By IblisLuciferSimon, February 11, 2012 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment
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Quotes for the masses

“If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal.”-Emma Goldman

“I pledge allegiance to the logo of the Corporate States of America and to the plutocracy for which it stands one nation under surveillance incorporated with literal injustice for oil.”-Francis Bellamy 1892

This One is key.

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” -Woodrow Wilson,
(after signing the Federal Reserve into existences)

My favorite though is Senator Robert F. Kennedy on the night of the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. quoting a passage from the play Agamemnon, said:
“My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He once wrote:

‘Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.’
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness;
but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black…
Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago:
to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.”

The speech is considered to be Kennedy’s finest.
Two months later RFK was assassinated.

My quote- “To where have all the heroes gone from these generations stolen our are icons,
taken from the hearts and minds of children’s aspiration,
So that which with time fades the the thoughts of Deificatio Veritate et Virtute Magnus Ductus Exemplo, Omnia mea mecum porto;
‘Making divine Truth and Virtue, the Great Lead by Example, for We are what we remember’.

Are there no heros left in humanity or are their voice drowning in the sounds of human misery?”

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By diamond, February 11, 2012 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

“A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority.”  It is incumbent upon all of us to create and nurture this force for what is right in our world, grumbling about it and casting our useless ballot every four years changes nothing.”

And your alternative is? Only a moron believes that it’s not better to change the government and the direction of the country with a vote instead of a machine gun. The right wants all progressives to believe that voting changes nothing: that’s good for the right wing nutters(basically Fascists) who now dominate and completely own the Republican party. Then they can get their Orcs out to vote and go and invade Iran, continue their destruction of the Middle East, destroy medicare and social security and set women’s issues and environmental issues and the whole concept of social justice back 100 years while rerunning their destruction of the economy and jobs. Voting for the Republicans will get you this, not voting at all will get you the same thing.

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By moonraven, February 10 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

“By moonraven, February 9 at 2:44 pm

Perhaps you should refrain from smoking the wacky tobaccy prior to writing..it makes you stupid.

The remark following the link to your post was a comment and not a quote,fool. I would have italicized or quoted the sentence if it were.

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By whitedog, February 11, 2012 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

I am very reverent when I vote, it’s one way I have to permeate the system. I vote because I want to somehow counteract the cynicism surrounding the polls and all they stand for with sincerity.

My experience with the Green Party, and it has been pretty extensive over the past ten years, is that there have been no really talented people within the party who have been able to make it out of the woodwork. What I want to say about that isn’t might not semm so reasonable in that I believe the group has been so invaded by spoilers now the soup is thicker with poison than good seasoning. Jill looks like a very nice lady, might be smart, but lacks the stuffing needed to shine beyond perhaps some decent rhetoric. Unhappily, not an original or provocative thinker.

And to even look forward to a successful workers’ revolution, one has to notice those people have been so used to extortion and abuse they have never yet had the wherewithall to withstand or set themselves up for a complete shot at full exhumation. They have no background for organization or abundance. Every revolution on their behalf has fallen into the hands of tyranical sheisters.

Those with the insight and skills need to recognise the extent to which the beast has invaded us and once again do what needs to be done to put it back in its pen; a nice sweet, clean corral with high fences and lots of green grass and oats, spring water and all the fine things it needs to feel at home. At the moment, we are almost completely overwhelmed, in case anyone wants to pretend otherwise. The extent of the takeover has gotten quite far. Lots of scary, subtle and insidious technology, chemicals, etc., corporate size groups of recruits and the will to use them. Why beat about the bush?

It will take much courage, smarts, clarity and dedication to bring this mother down, but it can be done.

The system we have in place is fine. Democcracy in essense is a very sweet idea. We can and should show up at the polls and make all kinds of good efforts to grace the infrastructure. But to really bring down the house will take some very fast, careful and concerted footwork. Otherwise expect to lose to some very sick folks.

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By moonraven, February 11, 2012 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

Gorf:

You do no justice to your arguments (sic) writing silly bits such as Rome was destroyed in one day.

Trying kicking your addiction to voting—that’s what this is all about.

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By Dr_Snooz, February 11, 2012 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

Isn’t Obama the guy who once said, “I’d rather be a
really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term
president”? Cheers to four more years of mediocrity,
disappointment and selling out.

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By Lafayette, February 11, 2012 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

INFESTATION

gorf: We need to address specific topics and hold our elected officials to specific results.

Key-word “we”. But we who? We, the sheeple?

We’ve been behaving like sheep who think that leaving it all to politicians is the way an economy runs best. Got that wrong didn’t we?

We, as a people, have adulated wealth for soooo long in this country - the wealthy have become national role models. Which is also why about half of Congress is infested with them. (47%, to be exact.) We willingly elect our role-models to Congress.

When a person has made their megabuck and plus, and life loses meaning because there are no more mountains to climb ... they go into politics for its celebrity status. Money just is not enough.

Do you think these people really give a damn how much the down-town bus costs a single mother to get into a minimum-wage job cleaning hotel rooms? Or the train in from beyond-the-burbs for Jack America to get to his job delivering parcel-post for FedEx?

The political hacks could care less.

But get one of them (meaning someone with business experience) to lobby them for an industry, THAT PERSON they will recognize in a nanosecond. S/he is just like them. And they will be very tempted to listen to their siren songs. Like “too much regulation is bad for business!” “Too high a tax level stifles entrepreneurship!” (Both mindless sound-bites that are neither true nor do they get at the heart of what’s wrong with the country.)

Had we had more effective market oversight during the SubPrime Mess, we’d not likely be in the Deep Doodoo in which we find ourselves today. Beyond one, five or ten megabucks, what does a person need in terms of income?

So, when we think ask who is overseeing the overseers … there’s no one. That duty falls to the electorate that must be continually alert of how the economy works and does not work. And has a clear idea of the society they want to live in - crime free, healthily and overall well-being.

Let’s think first of the Base Values of the society we want and then the ways and means to obtain it for the largest number of people possible. Then it’s worthwhile to get militant so that government policy changes in that direction.

We’d also do ourselves a Great Favor to rid Congress of the millionaires. They’ve done enough damage as it is.

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By Bill Perdue, February 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

Memory_Hole

You said that “Traditionally, class consciousness has come from strong unions” but I think consciousness is what’s lacking in the current period and that’s what makes us weak. That’s changing fast and Madison was the first indicaion.

To follow the change check out these sites or get on their email list:

http://www.tdu.org/ Temasters

http://www.nationalnursesunited.org/

http://railroadworkersunited.org/weblinks

http://www.ilwu.org/

http://www.kclabor.org/

After you check out those sites compose a goodbye not for brother Trumka.

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By gorf, February 10, 2012 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment
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The comment about Rome was not made as a literal
statement. it is FACT that it takes a long time to
build a robust vibrant economy and a short time to
destroy it.We need to address specific topics and hold
our elected officials to specific results.We cannot fix
everything instantly.One man changing his actions can
change a world one action at a time.a society that
expects something different from its leaders than its
population adheres to lives in la la land.

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By moonraven, February 10, 2012 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

It’s clear that way more than the majority of folks posting here are addicts:  you are addicted to maintaining the illusion that you live in a democracy.

The US was NEVER designed to be a democracy—the rights granted in its constitutive doc uments ONLY applied to WEALTHY WHITE THIEVES of indigenous folks’ lands.

The US needs a MASSIVE rehab center so you folks can kick the habit of believing that you have any rights—much less the OBLIGATION to cast a vote for your own hangmen!

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By Memory_Hole, February 10, 2012 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

Bill Perdue, February 9 at 8:14 am

“Real change comes when we organize massive actions and campaigns to ignite the streets and workplaces, We’re entering an era when that kind of change will create workers parties and then a workers government and finally, real change.”

Bill, I agree on the necessity of massive direct action in the streets and workplaces.  But a “workers government” requires a widespread CLASS consciousness among WORKERS.  I see little evidence of such class consciousness among the American population.  Unions are at their weakest level in decades, after a coordinated assault on them by the Chamber of Commerce and Nat’l Association of Manufacturers beginning in the 1970s.  Traditionally, class consciousness has come from strong unions.  OWS is encouraging, and there is an implicit class consciousness in its “1% vs. 99%” message.  But it remains to be seen if when and how it can be translated into a workers party.  And without a workers party, we’ll never have a workers government.

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By moonraven, February 10, 2012 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

“By moonraven, February 9 at 2:44 pm

Will we never be free of your enormous ego? I guess when the administration here, once again, banishes you.”

WTF?

I did not write this.

Nor has any truthdig administration banished me—if I am the target of your senseless hatespeech.

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By moonraven, February 9 at 2:44 pm

Will we never be free of your enormous ego? I guess when the administration here, once again, banishes you.

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By moonraven, February 10, 2012 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

Actually, Rome was NOT destroyed in one day. 

I believe you were thinking of Pompeii and Herculaneum.

Rome was basically destroyed from within over a few centuries, and then the folks the Romans had victimized in other places came down and pushed over the rotten tree….

You termites had better get cracking—I don’t see you destroying anything but your own futures right now.

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By omop, February 10, 2012 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer’s summation attests to what President James Garfield is quoted
as having said.

That, “whoever controls the volume of money in any country is master of all
its legislation and commerce”.

Take this opportunity to ask what is the prognosis for the OWS movement
given Mr. Scheer’s conclusions.

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By bpawk, February 10, 2012 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

The Green Party needs some ‘air time’ whether radio, TV, Youtube, digital newspapers etc. to voice their opposition to the elites and roll out their platform on how they would govern.  It would be great if they were endorsed by Ralph Nader - I note that Rosanne Barr is running for the Greens.  The Greens need to have a huge fundraiser with celebs so the cameras will show up - if anything to hear their ideas as an alternative to the two elites.

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By balkas, February 10, 2012 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

they, the world ONEPERCENT, have been pavlovizing us for millennia. americans are not an exception in this
matter. US ONEPERCENT’S conditioning people, first of all as children, does not differ an iota from
conditioning germans by nazis or japanese by its own ONEPERCENT.
it’s interesting that i for first time ever come across the name of pavlov and his method of condItioning a dog
to evaluate a fictive reality as the REALITY.
such conditioning is applied daily in al lands which are ruled by the supremacistic [nazilike] ONEPERCENT.
and ALL ‘RELIGIONS’ [CULTS] support the ONEPERCENT in miseducating people or gettig them to accept a
fictitious reality.
to which, i may add, no one can adjust to—one can only adjust to REALITY; never to a fiction. proof for that
is,  like proverbial ‘god’, [yet another fictive fig] everywhere.
but, if it wasn’t for that darn conditioning… thanks

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By Gordon Friess, February 10, 2012 at 10:06 am Link to this comment
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What a wonderful world we live in that we can share
worldwide through the web, we have inequalities to
rectify, deceptions to stop, injustices created through
misuse of power,communication unparalleled in
history,what an exciting world,the choices are ours.We
can destroy or build.Rome wasn,t built in a day but it
was destroyed in one.

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By kanuear-kanuc, February 10, 2012 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
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Here we go again with the political and voting shit. Who’s the best candidate for this position or that position. When the fan fare and the smoke settels, you are still left with the same old bullshit. Nothing ever changes. Players just change their suits. And all of the election hoopla is in place to give the american public the illusion of freedom and change. It only takes 4 votes in any political race for a candidate to win regardless of political affliation. The rest of the votes just give the illusion that the people are freely making a diference in this AMERICAN systerm. BE YOU REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT OR INDEPENDENT YOU STILL HAVE TO EAT AND SHIT TO LIVE!!! The gross reality is that there is only one party. Just one to choose from and that is the infamous 1%. No one or nothing else matters. The only thing that stops what the people are going through in this country has been and will be bloody and violent revolution. All systems of the world including this one has, are and will walk this path. After all, how was THIS country and it’s declaration of independence founded. It is not if but when the people of this land, who desire to recapture true freedom and equality, stop listening to and repeating worthless bullshit retoric, they will soon come to the same conclusion. Anytime a ruling class (1%) is threatened by violence they always spread out beads and trinkets for the unrested. Hence poverty programs, bailouts, overturned unpopular judicial decisons etc. etc. etc. All for the sake of pacification. Finger pointing also does not go un-noticed. If ones looks around one can see attempts to the alter if not wipe out the 2nd amendment. In order to control a system you first take away weapons, control all basic necessities that support life, place every one under a security curfew, (such as the patriot act and bogus homeland security) and control all armies and law enforcement. OH YES.. And always instill the fear of some distant dark enemy who wants to kill and rape and torcher. It really is very interesting to see how many families are stocking up on weaponry, food and personal medical supplies. Hum! Ya think ??? WELL…. When the shit hits the fan it will be all against all. So make sure that the addresses and locations of the 1% are kept well in the hand of the 99% and make sure you tell your sons and daughters in law enforcement and the military not to kill you for the sake of that 1%.......  wink

P.S.
 
And for those who wait on GOD, Allah, Jehova, Budda, The Dali Lama, Jeasus?  Don’t worry… after the blood stops flowing and the smoke clears you will all receive your answer….  All 100%. Later Truthdig.

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By Leefeller, February 10, 2012 at 7:20 am Link to this comment

Lafayette commented, “being manipulated in a Pavlovian fashion by negative Mindless Media Messaging.” Nice and astute!  Expanding a bit further, I suspect the divisiveness of the two party system is geared for self perpetuation or substantiation via separating the populous and as you say never allowing for real representation, so the people always are choosing from the better of the worst? Thus representation of the populous never really happens.  Apparently OWS was spot on, with its message of disenfranchisement, unfairness and inequity calling attention to ‘we’ all of us are the 99 percent, are manipulated by the obvious few as the 1 percent,...  yes in ‘Pavlovian fashion’.

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By Marian Griffith, February 10, 2012 at 2:56 am Link to this comment
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@Lafayette
—-If Americans were smarter, they’d take no notice of the negativism—-

It is worse than that I fear. Americans DO take notice of the negativism.
And then listen to it anyway(*).

A lot of Americans can say, without even realising the discrepancy, at the same time that they do not like all that negative campaigning AND express the belief that there must be some truth to all that negativity to make them wary about voting for the latest target of hate television (aka campaigning).


(* part of it is human psychology where it is easier to act cautiously towards possible danger than it is to dismiss it. Combine it with a big lie and with repeating a message till it saturates the media and you have a seductive cocktail that is very hard to dismiss out of hand.)

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By Lafayette, February 10, 2012 at 1:58 am Link to this comment

MINDLESS-MEDIA-MESSAGING

What other word should we use to describe this year’s presidential election, whose outcome will turn on which party’s super PACs gets the most generous bribes from billionaires?

Well put, RS. But let’s answer the question, Why?

It is far too simple to point the finger of blame at Moneyed Interests. Aka the Plutocrat Class, who have been allowed to garner untold wealth. So much that they do not know what to do with most of it.

My answer: Because we are largely very politically naive and inured to being manipulated in a Pavlovian fashion by negative Mindless Media Messaging. That M-M-M is where the money is being spent.

POST SCRIPTUM

We allowed Reckless Ronnie to open Pandora’s Box of Evils (by lowering income-taxation) and now we must pay the consequences. Was it not BigMoney oil-interests that brought us Dubya?

Had we spent that untaxed income on building schools and a better educational system, rather than having it trickle-upwards to an elite-class, perhaps we, as a nation, would not be so manipulable by the arch-stupidity of M-M-M?

Think of it. On the Replicant side, all the candidates who sallied forth have had deep pockets of money. Otherwise, they would have stayed in the dark-holes from which they issued.

Why should money ever play THAT great a role in the selection of our political leadership? In politics, money can’t buy you the best talent. It usually gets us the worst.

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By Lafayette, February 10, 2012 at 1:08 am Link to this comment

THE PLIGHT OF ELECTORAL MEDIA-MESSAGING

Elections are for Suckers

Yes, of course, RS - what did you think? That the American voter was some sort of super-smart animal who could see through the fog of negative media advertizing to the True Values of a candidate and thus choose intelligently?

Why do the Adelsons and the Kochs give to Rabid Right causes? Because campaign funding of media-messaging competently warps the naive brains of many American voters for or against a candidate.

(Remember Voting Mathematics: Only about half of American voters bother to get off their duffs to vote. It doesn’t take that much to swing an election and media-messaging can do the trick. Besides, national elections are won or lost mainly in 8/9 states across the UU. This tactic was proven in the last mid-terms that elected the T-Party into Congress.)

If Americans were smarter, they’d take no notice of the negativism; they’d understand what is happening politically and they would be less prone to being manipulated by electoral media-messaging.

We are selling politicians like soap powder - they all “wash whiter than white”. The dictum used to be, “Tell me what you read and I’ll tell you who you are”. Now it has become “Tell me what you watch on TV and I will tell you who you are”.

This was the working advertising axiom in radio, became axiomatic in TV and now is axiomatic on the Internet. The only difference being that the Internet is much more precise in its media advert targeting.

And we’ve seen nothing yet - just wait till the electoral media-messaging grinds its way forward this summer on the Internet ...

I PREDICT

We, the sheeple, Internauts, will be deluged with mindless political “sound-bites” on the PC. Any Internaut, for instance, having TD cookie-footprints in its PC-cache is a perfect target for Left-wing media-messaging. Ditto any Internaut with FoxNews footprints who will be targeted with Right-wing propaganda.

That, folks, is how the Internet works.

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By Blueokie, February 10, 2012 at 12:17 am Link to this comment

“The people who vote mean nothing, the people who count the votes mean everything.” - Josef Stalin

“The easiest way to make a man a slave is to give him a vote and tell him he’s free” - Albert Camus

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By CanDoJack, February 9, 2012 at 10:12 pm Link to this comment

Several things have affected my attitude over the
years about voting in the US political game.

1. It IS a game. Not a game of whist in the rec
room. This is a deadly serious game with lots of
aspects. At times I thought I should vote but,
something was added to the original notions that:

a) it could be a trick,

b) if it was not a trick it might be a
responsibility that I should take on as a citizen,

c) the last time I voted, I voted for Ronald Reagan
for governor of California. (The Ronald Reagan
primer had not been published yet) I later felt that
if I was not more educated about the contenders than
to vote for Ronald Reagan for anything then I did
not qualify to vote. (I have always felt since that
aptitude tests should be required to vote.)

d) My career was data processing analysis and
systems development. I was naturally always
suspicious about the vote counting process. I have
never agreed with Stalin on anything but the
following quote. “It’s not the people who vote that
count. It’s the people who count the votes.” (Josef
Stalin)

e) Most of my career I enjoyed living outside the
US. In my free time I enjoyed being an avocational
cultural anthropologist and linguaphile more than
keeping up with all the chicanery and parochial crap
and who was the most mountainous mountebank behind
me in the US.

f) I have kept up with false counts over the years.
The result of that enterprise has convinced me that
SUCKER is an appropriate word for Scheer to include
in this article. For example:
  1. Gore won over Bush as bags of votes
    floated down Florida canals
  2. Kerry won in 2004. Ohio counted a lot and
    counted wrong. I thought it strange that
    Kerry didn’t seem to mind losing.
  3. But, fellows and bed fellows. Diebold
    and Bush. Brothers in arms (Jeb and bucko)
    See the documentary film on Netflix.
  4. Look at Congress. Seriously, now, who
    would not cut your throat for a penny?
    Do you seriously think a legitimate vote
    vote is possible this side of Denmark?

2. The most powerful vote this year is not to vote.
My thinking is along the lines of the old line from
the Vietnam era. “Suppose they gave a war and nobody
came.” Barney Frank is quitting. Kucinich is
gerrymandered out. No decent person is running a
third party gambit. Look at the lot in the
California reps and sens. Start with CA millionaire
47 times over Fine Stone. Everybody is a switch
hitter just like the POTUS who made his fame and
fortune when old people he was supposed to help
were freezing back in Chicago.

Check the voting record and see how many congress
members voted away your first and sixth amendments
and sent the NDAA defense act to bo bama to sign -
and he did.

So is the only way to make a statement, amurrika to
refuse the vote bait. Won’t it all be decided by the
billionaire come totalitarian elite?

Should we just see if somebody steps up to keep a
tally on those who don’t see anybody to vote for and
are not afraid to say so.

Anyway, I know the title of my next book.

GREED ADDICTS!

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By kulu, February 9, 2012 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment

Michael Cavlan,

Rocky Anderson has appeared on both Democracy Now and the Alyona Show which is definitely worth watching especially for younger audiences. Capital Account, another RT program, is also worth following for its economic coverage and interviews with numerous economic and financial gurus, usually not ones touting the tradition “solutions” to the economic/humanitarian crisis that has hit the developed countries.

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By Leefeller, February 9, 2012 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

Aquifer, What is your take on something like Americans Elect?  http://www.americanselect.org/ I could support and see the positive potential of a viable third party, but the Green Party so far does not seem viable, probably like any other party, the Green is no little different then the Democrats, those at the top in power will always keep a tight reign on what is decided and what happens. OWS seems to have been the closest thing to a true democracy where everyone had an equal voice to express themselves, I know the Democrats are not grassy roots and I doubt the Greens are either.

Sure some folks with less money win, 6 percent of the time, still those with the most money statistically win 94 percent of the time. Why do you think we can’t throw the bums out,.... ‘money’ we need to get the money out then maybe someone like Jill Stine or Newt would have a chance with a third party.

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By Aquifer, February 9, 2012 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller,

So, you are bowing, albeit perhaps reluctantly, to the wisdom of “the market”? Because statistically the biggest spenders have always won, that is the way it will always be? Never mind that folks who have spent less have won - doesn’t matter, the exception proves the rule, etc .

You never before struck me as someone to surrender and go down, not with a bang, but a whimper, but i guess maybe i was wrong ...

“You clowns get a third party candidate who people have heard of and with a 99 percent message which looks like it may have some legs and if they even happened to win, what the hell do you think will happen with the obstruction of congress? ”

OK, us “clowns” have a 3rd party candidate - Jill Stein -  http://www.jillstein.org/  - and now you have heard of her and her platform is a 99% platform (see her SOTU). As for Congress, do you really think they would be more obstructive than they are now? And actually, seeing the crap coming out of Congress maybe that’s the best thing she could do - keep ‘em from enacting more crap. Plus, as executive and commander in chief she could do a whole lot outside Congress, (as Obama is demonstrating more all the time). But what you seem to fail to consider is the very act of her election would shake the system up enormously. The gauntlet would be tossed and it would be very clear that if they didn’t shape up, they WOULD be shipped out - the first time in, hmmm, well maybe the first time ever, that message would have been delivered. And that sort of result, or at least a very good showing at the polls, is the only way, short of bullets, to deliver that message, IMO .....

Ballots, not bullets ...


whitedog,

“..... until someone with the real courage to stand up for all that we truly need to redeem our nation, the ressurection of justice and character we yearn for.”

Well, hey,  here’s just what the doctor ordered - http://www.jillstein.org/

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By Richard78X, February 9, 2012 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment
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Guess my last comment was a little too radical to post? Oh, well. It’s how I feel and I’m sticking to it.

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By Bill Perdue, February 9, 2012 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

Memory_Hole

Yes, there is a big radicalization, especially among railroaders, teamsters, nurses, miners and the unemployed (OWS).

Change will come when we create a worker’s government. The current government of, by and for the rich is not capable of real, lasting change.

Aquifier - greens are centrist refomers. They don’t have a program for change.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

Patrick Henry

I was an Official Election Observer in Ohio 2004.

Tell me about it. But everything that I have stated, still stands.

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By whitedog, February 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Sheer wants to complain about campaign funding. Okay. I accept. But until someone fearless, gifted, brilliant and perfectly lucky enough to find themselves in a position to challenge any of those hand picked to run in these races, we have to make a choice.

I have watched our president do some pretty terrible things in the name of stability or compromise or commonsense to accomplish a dangerous version of healthcare, stoking of our banks and wall street, attempts to revive the ferociously sick campaign toward building new nuclear power plants…what have you; and watched Mr. Bush make some evil strides down a viscious road to deep black ops, mass torture, invasions of innocent countries, disembowelment of our constitution, all children left behind, balloon benefits for the rich, Katrina and 9/11 highjinks, you name it. The dancing-in-the-foot-steps Democrats look not quite so bad next to all that. I never thought Mr. Obama was really going to make good on his campaign promises, his meteoric rise betrayed him from the start. I was disappointed in the concessions he made. But I won’t say he has been as particularly inventive or agressive as Mr. Bush’s direct drive down the highway of egregious and considered evil.

He will get my vote, how ever he raises his campaign funds, until someone with the real courage to stand up for all that we truly need to redeem our nation, the ressurection of justice and character we yearn for. Not that I believe for a moment that at least this time once again that vote means a damn.

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By PatrickHenry, February 9, 2012 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

Elections are for suckers when its an electronic vote.

Diebold, ESS, its all the same, for some reason or another paper ballot outcomes are usually different than the paperless ones and the exit poll is spot on.

http://www.oilempire.us/ballot.html

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By moonraven, February 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

Jeff K:

Glad to see that at least SOMEONE ELSE besides this poster gets it.

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By Jeff N., February 9, 2012 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

diamond- I think the point is that we don’t live in a democracy.. so casting a vote and deciding between six of one kind or half dozen of the other has no purpose.  The only valuable political move that can be made by the people at this point is to organize together and create large enough support so that Washington is forced to reflect the views of its citizens (a very rare occurrence from my understanding of history). 

Simply not voting for “far-right conservatives” is, in my estimation, a pretty measly attempt at promoting democracy.  As my man Thoreau puts it in civil disobedience, “Even voting for the right is doing nothing for it. It is only expressing to men feebly your desire that it should prevail. A wise man will not leave the right to the mercy of chance, nor wish it to prevail through the power of the majority.”  It is incumbent upon all of us to create and nurture this force for what is right in our world, grumbling about it and casting our useless ballot every four years changes nothing.

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By Leefeller, February 9, 2012 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

If 94 percent of the politicians and political campagins who win spend the most money, how will this work out for any third party candidate?

Newt may run for a third party or Ron Paul, making sounds in third party directions, so not voting would be just like voting for them?

You clowns get a third party candidate who people have heard of and with a 99 percent message which looks like it may have some legs and if they even happened to win, what the hell do you think will happen with the obstruction of congress?  Get real!

If Nader won, he would have done a better job than Obama, in your far fetched fantasias!

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By Richard78X, February 9, 2012 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment
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I agree with Fullblad - the ultimate blame for the social and political ills we now face is on the people of this country and any country for that matter that puts up with one tyrant after another, whether that said tyrant wears a military uniform, traditional Islamic wear or an Armani suit. We all fell asleep at the helm and worse, we’ve become content with being entertained zombies. Administration after administration, vote after vote, we see that things only get worse, yet we continue to willingly participate in the charade. It’s turned out to be easier to live with the delusions and illusions than to face reality, because doing that would force us to get up off our lazy, cowardice asses and actually make real change. We get the government and mis-leaders that we deserve. Better yet - that we tolerate. Those of you who insist on participating in the current con-voting-game are the ones that cannot complain when social situations in this country worsen - you are the ones supporting it. The entire system needs to change and will not change until WE change. Refuse to vote in order to send a strong message that we have changed and want a legitimate voting and political system in place that represents that positive change. Until that happens we’re going to end up with the same empty promises from pathologically lying politicians and experience the ever worsening, horrible social consequences they bring because of their puppetry to corporate/banking money and whims instead of to the vital needs and liberty of the people. If we want to maintain articles of the Constitution, we’d better learn to rewrite the tenets of its meaning and intentions back into our hearts - for that is where true freedom and liberty resides - not on paper - but in the undying commitment of the human spirit and will.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

Aquafier

I agree with everything you say. Now if we can just get Rocky Anderson and Jill Stein on the same ticket, we can really move forward. The ONLY thing keeping that from happening is the Green Party insisting that Rocky join the Greens. Just as Nader would not (for reasons complex and that I agree with) this insistence is a deal breaker.

Rocky could run on the Justice Party ticket and Jill could run on the Green Party ticket. It is allowed.

As for the “progressive” blogs, well obviously I agree. Just as people are waking up to the manipulation and lies of the corporate media, now they are doing so with the “progressive” 501c3 funded blogs. This realization makes both these entities less effective as propaganda tools. Which is what they are. The Chomsky principles of the five filters of media applies to “progressive” blogs as it does with the corporate media. This knowledge makes that manipulation not effective.

Knowledge is power.

I point this out now

BEFORE the mass blacklists and bannings happen again.

Just like they did before the last selection. After all, I was banned from Op Ed News, Common Dreams, TruthOut in the run up to the Obama phenomena. Because I was telling the truth about Obama, BEFORE the election. I was far from alone in that matter.

Right Mark Smith?

Remember

Knowledge is Power. Which is why they (the 1%) do not want you all to be informed.

ROCKY ANDERSON FOR PRESIDENT

Michael Cavlan
Candidate US Senate 2012
Minnesota Open Progressives

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By diamond, February 9, 2012 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

God, Scheer, you have the instincts of a kindergarten chld. If I can’t have what I want, then no one should vote - but you know perfectly well that the Libertarians will vote and the evangelicals will vote and the Republican Party base will vote. Your cure for the disease will kill the patient, namely democracy. Is that a price you want America to pay because you’re pissed off? The cure is to not ever vote for conservatives and ultra right whack jobs. They’re easy to spot: they talk about God and patriotism a lot and pretend they believe in small government when what they really believe in is big business and big money - for them, mind you, not the hoi polloi. This whole ‘don’t vote’ crap is completely irresponsible and has no logical foundation whatsoever. How can you protect democracy by not voting? Please explain. In countries where no one bothers to vote they have these things called ‘failed states’. America is close enough to one of those already and doesn’t need any help from you as it teeters on the brink. The cure for what’s wrong with America is more democracy, not less. And less democracy is what you are prescribing, whether you admit it or not.

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By Aquifer, February 9, 2012 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

bpauwk

“People are hanging on to the Dems because there is nowhere else to go and they don’t know what to do - unless you’re rich neither party represents you. The only alternative is to start another party that is truly progressive.”.....“Why didn’t anyone vote for Ralph Nader when you had the chance? HE was the only true progressive with a track record for helping the average American. Don’t tell people to vote when there is now no one to vote for - remember in Communist countries the voter turnout is 90% so having a populace that votes doesn’t mean it’s a democracy. It’s real choice that matters.”

There IS somewhere else to go, for a REAL choice, and she is a worthy successor to Nader in representing the 99%.

http://www.jillstein.org/ 


Bill Perdue, Jeff N.

go Green!

Memory Hole

The only folks with no chance to get elected are the ones folks don’t vote for ...

Mark,

You do get around ...

“The corporations and big money, the 1%, are spending billions of dollars to get out the vote, and third parties are helping them by encouraging people to vote in elections where only the major parties have any chance of winning.”

They are spending megabucks to get folks to vote - only for selected candidates. The LAST thing they want is for folks to vote for parties not owned by them - by encouraging “no vote” you are carrying water for them ..

“If they weren’t started by the government to trick people into voting, third parties have been infiltrated by government agents determined to trick people into voting.”

Well here’s a new one, didn’t see that in the other thread - 3rd parties as gov’t agents. Well now, Mark, where’s your info? THAT I gotta see .....Sounds more credible that the gov’t is infiltrating blogs with folks trying to get folks NOT to vote ...

“I wonder if all these third party operatives urge people to try to vote for people who aren’t even in the contest when it comes to American Idol also.”

Well usually 3rd part “operatives” have better things to do than give a hoot about American Idol - we’ll leave that up to folks like you to keep us informed ...

Michael,

It does seem pretty clear that the so called “progressive” media isn’t really interested in actual progressive politics ...

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By poodfreemon, February 9, 2012 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment
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Are you afraid that wealthy pigs will use their millions to control the outcome of the next election? If so, that means that the American people will base their votes on information gleaned from the onslaught of pure propaganda. Why would any honorable and intelligent American believe in anybody’s propaganda? Are the American people stupid? And if they are stupid, does this country merit a resurrection?

No government on this planet acts honorably. All governments on this planet are criminal networks, each with its own style. When you start to view governments and corporations as elements of organized crime, this whole mess will make a lot more sense to you.

Right now the ‘best bet’ on Earth involves war, oil, cheap labor, drug dealing and arms dealing. No government can handle radical transparency. What do you think we will find underneath all the blacked-out sentences in all the classified files? What you will find is the secret life of our American-style crime syndicate, the US Government protecting corporate interests, giving corporations what they ask for, and taking payment for the favors. American ‘checks & balances’ are now found only in the fledgling OWS movement, workers’ uprisings, and in the words of the consistently honest journalists, jurists and experts.

The crime syndicate rules the neighborhood. You pay for protection because they have enforcers and hit men, on call, as needed. Globally, when the fight for influence and territory gets bloody and we go to war, the deaths of innocent men, women and children are justified, “for the greater good,” “collateral damage,” the propaganda of Murder, Inc.

Yes, our American elections are a spectacle and a hoax. Anybody with a brain knows that. The histrionics of the battle between left and right, between socialism and fascism, provides the drama. The hoax is a vast mix that includes gerrymandering and rigged ballot counting, insider information and money hidden offshore.

It may be, in this so-called democracy, that the only honest moment left to each of us, in our personal relationship with the ongoing American revolution, is that which occurs when marking one’s ballot.

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By Fullblad, February 9, 2012 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

Scheer has the facts correct but missed the point on where blame lies. The money trust and the corps which have grown up around it are the ones dictating legislation and court rulings with only the help of corrupted public officials and office holders.

Ultimately some of the people must take resposibility for voting for the morally defunct who were pre bought by the money trust.

Ultimately some of the people must take resposibility for either being asleep or not acting to safe guard our democracy.

So ultimately most the people are to blame for the present state of affairs and ultimately we are responsible for making good on our collective mistakes.The money trust is only doing what it has always done, it is us who have allowed the trust to succeed. Maybe this time we won’t be fooled or side tracked by all the deceptions and spectacle offered up by the money trust and it’s attendant corporations. Maybe this time the people will put in place the neccessary measures to keep the money trust et al in place at our heel instead of allowing them to regroup and again be at our collective throats.We must be two steps ahead to thwart the money trusts moves. Electoral reform should have been put in place when Eisenhower first warned of the emerging powers of the corporations for example. If we fail the majority of us will be choaked to death by poverty, both enviromental and in lifes neccesities, and who will we blame then?

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By moonraven, February 9, 2012 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

I have been saying that voting is for suckers since these internet sites started receiving comments.

When are folks going to cop to the reality that every time you vote—and it DOES NOT MATTER FOR WHOM—you pledge allegiance to the system that keeps 99 plus % of the population as slaves, wage slaves or in bantustans called Indian reservations?!

It’s time to wise up.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 9, 2012 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

In Wisconsin, the Democratic Party would not allow Aldous Tyler (a Wisconsin resident no less) or Darcy Richardson to be on the ballot to primary Obama. In California, the “progressive caucus” of the Democratic Party were threatened with being thrown out because they talked, simply discussed the idea of a primary challenge to Obama. They did not support the idea and were “allowed” to remain in the Dem Party. Nary a peep from “progressive Democrats about this anywhere.

Then ask yourself why none of these “progressive” blogs are covering these facts.

Because the corporate media and their allies in the 501c3 Industrial Complex do not want you to know about it.

Organize

Or loose the right to complain.

Michael Cavlan
Candidate US Senate 2012
Minnesota Open Progressives

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By Mark E. Smith, February 9 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

The political operatives for third parties have no plan as to how electing a good person to a puppet presidency, or electing a few good people to a corporate-controlled Congress could bring about change.

Why? Because you say so! Repeatedly you have ranted and raved about what NOT to do, and said absolutely nothing about how to effect change in this nations governance. I find you increasingly trite, strident and one who adds nothing to this debate.

Now you insist, in your abysmal ignorance, that third party supporters have no plan, all the while ignoring constant references to nations ,like France, that have multiple party representation which brings them many benefits we here do not enjoy.

Even if they could grow their parties and find some way to ensure that the votes were counted, it would take them decades, at a minimum, to begin to make any inroads. In the meantime the US government, unless our military empire collapses, will continue to kill millions of innocent people all over the world and to cage more people here at home in the prison-industrial complex than any other country, while the minorities bleat piteously about how wrong it all is.

So, your specious logic concludes that not participating will bring change faster than actual participation. What sort of person are you anyway? I think you are a paid government informer, or at least someone doing the work of one, however unwittingly.

There is no solution that will cause change overnight. You offer no solution at all.

Sure it is wrong. Stop granting it legitimacy. Stop voting in its elections. Show that it doesn’t have the support or consent of the governed.

If you can’t stop voting, it means that the US government, while it may not be doing anything you like and is probably doing a lot of things you don’t like, still has your support, still has your consent, and that you still believe that it is a democratic system, an essentially good system, but is just in need of a few minor reforms.

Another in a sickeningly long list of assumptions you make that have no validity. Voting third party is certainly not supporting the actions of the other two parties, in fact it is an act that clearly opposes them.

Doing something, however misguided you believe it to be, trumps your own course of inaction. I do not believe you are here to work for the betterment of this nation ,only to vent and screech like a sophomoric school kid.

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By prisnersdilema, February 9, 2012 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Building a third party that will change the political goals of this country will take
time, and investment. But giving into either of the Republican Party or the
Democratic parties lies and misdirections will take forever.

Because they will never, ever do anything to change the system. They will try and
co opt any sort of political change for their own purposes. They will also continue
to rule by deception, by lies and by secrecy. 

They will do their best to make you feel depressed, hopeless and like you have no
choice. They will offer up half truths and beautiful lies.

Voting for a third party candidate may not immediately produce a win, but it can
send a political message, and it can make you feel less like a sucker, less like your
bending over and taking it again.

In the meantime there are steps you can take to avoid supporting the traitors who
shill for the corporate crooks and those corporate crooks that run things. Do not
cooperate with them, do not give them your money, and prepare.

Ask yourself, do you intent do go quietly? Or no? Do you intend to resist, or to
support those that will resist?

Whether you agree or disagree on each detail of the politics, one thing is clear
soon you will have to make a choice. A choice that will not be on the ballot box,
but in the real world. Ask yourself, what will you do?

Even if you do nothing else but don’t allow them to control how you think and feel, 
then you have won. Because each day, more and more people feel just the way you
do, and we are reaching a critical mass.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, February 9, 2012 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

Mark Smith

A man in whom I have had very few disagreements.

On this one I obviously disagree. Elections are an organizing TOOL. In fact it can be a way to expose the complete corruption of said system.

Or indeed those who make apologies for the corrupted system. Like all those 501c3 funded “progressive” blogs who refuse, flat out refuse to provide coverage for candidates who are in complete opposition to the two party (one money) system. Attempting to keep them invisible just like the corporate media does.

Can ya dis it? As in Truth-Dig it?


Rocky Anderson for President

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By starramus, February 9, 2012 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

Many attribute the disempowerment of the electorate to more recent developments. However elections have been a sham for far longer. The great lady Emma Goldman was famous for her, “If voting changed anything they would make it illegal.” quote so many decades ago. Things have not changed at all. GW’s and Obama’s track records are identical, but Obama goes down a little smoother because “liberal” has been attached to his persona. What wondrous conservative advances wil be made in his next four years of “liberalism”?

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