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‘Dropping Babies,’ Abandoning PrinciplesPosted on Aug 4, 2010Rather than shout, I’ll just ask the question in a civil way: Dear Republicans, do you really want to endanger your party’s greatest political legacy by turning the 14th Amendment to our Constitution into an excuse for election-year ugliness? Honestly, I thought our politics could not get worse, and suddenly there appears this attack on birthright citizenship and the introduction into popular use of the hideous term “anchor babies,” children that illegal immigrants have for the alleged purpose of “anchoring” themselves to American rights and the welfare state. Particularly depressing is the fact that the idea of repealing the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of citizenship to “all persons born or naturalized in the United States” was given momentum by one of the nation’s most reasonable conservatives. “People come here to have babies,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. “They come here to drop a child. It’s called, ‘drop and leave.’ To have a child in America, they cross the border, they go to the emergency room, have a child, and that child’s automatically an American citizen. That shouldn’t be the case. That attracts people here for all the wrong reasons.” Drop a child? How can a strong believer in the right to life use such a phrase? Advertisement Graham has long favored comprehensive immigration reform, so it’s hard to escape the thought that his talk of child-dropping is designed to appease a right wing out to get him because he’s “too liberal.” Just as dispiriting: Sen. John McCain, another once brave champion of immigration reform who faces an Arizona Republican primary challenge on Aug. 24, tried to duck the issue. He said he supports “the concept of holding hearings” on the meaning of the 14th Amendment’s birthright citizenship clause. This is better than endorsing outright repeal, but what a difference from the old McCain whose conscience once compelled him to say of illegal immigrants: “These are God’s children as well, and they need some protections under the law, and they need some of our love and compassion.” Nothing should make Republicans prouder than their party’s role in passing what are known as the Civil War or Reconstruction amendments: the 13th ending slavery, the 14th guaranteeing equal protection under the law and establishing national standards for citizenship, and the 15th protecting the right to vote. In those days, Democrats were the racial demagogues. Opponents of the 14th Amendment used racist arguments against immigrants to try to kill it, even though there were virtually no immigration restrictions back then. President Andrew Johnson played the card aggressively, as University of Baltimore law professor Garrett Epps reports in his 2006 book on the 14th Amendment, “Democracy Reborn.” “This provision comprehends the Chinese of the Pacific States, Indians subject to taxation, the people called Gipsies, as well as the entire race designated as blacks, people of color, negroes, mulattoes, and persons of African blood,” Johnson declared. “Is it sound policy to make our entire colored population and all other excepted classes citizens of the United States?” Republicans were taken aback that Gypsies were suddenly transformed into a great national peril as part of the campaign against the amendment. In his definitive book “Reconstruction,” historian Eric Foner cites a bemused Republican senator who observed in 1866: “I have lived in the United States now for many a year and really I have heard more about Gypsies within the past two or three months than I have heard before in my life.” The methods of politics don’t change much, even if the targets of demagoguery do. Epps cites an 1859 oration by Carl Schurz, the German immigrant and Republican leader who helped deliver his community’s vote to Abraham Lincoln in 1864. Schurz later became a leading backer of the 14th Amendment. “All the social and national elements of the civilized world are represented in the new land,” Schurz declared. In our nation, “their peculiar characteristics are to be blended together by the all-assimilating power of freedom. This is the origin of the American nationality, which did not spring from one family, one tribe, one country, but incorporates the vigorous elements of all civilized nations on earth.” That is the American tradition and the Republican tradition. Senator Graham, please don’t throw it away. E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is ejdionne(at)washpost.com. Previous item: Married to the Clinton Mob Next item: Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich Need a History Lesson New and Improved CommentsIf you have trouble leaving a comment, review this help page. Still having problems? Let us know. If you find yourself moderated, take a moment to review our comment policy. |
By Storm, September 9, 2011 at 8:08 am Link to this comment
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Articles like this make life so much simlper.
Report thisBy Justus, September 9, 2011 at 8:07 am Link to this comment
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That saves me. Thanks for being so sneilsbe!
Report thisBy diamond, August 9, 2010 at 10:08 pm Link to this comment
Philip S. Berg (original name Feivel Gruberger) is a rabbi and current Dean of the worldwide Kabbalah Centre organization, as well as its main figurehead.
He is known for his position that the Kabbalah should no longer be taught exclusively to a selected few Jewish scholars, but should instead become a shared wealth of practical wisdom available to all of humankind, and has written a number of books on the subject of Kabbalah. Also, the Centre’s financial peculiarities have attracted growing attention, as another motive for suspicion and further controversy.
Credentials
Philip Berg claims to have a doctorate, and many of his books are listed as being by “Dr.” Berg. However, in different interviews he has offered different explanations of what type of Ph.D. he earned. He claimed to have a Ph.D. in comparative religion, at another time he claimed to have a Ph.D. in jurisprudence (in biblical law), and later claimed that his Ph.D. was given as part of receiving semicha, traditional rabbinic ordination., but Semicha programs - especially Israeli Orthodox ones - are never given together with a PhD. He has never shown his Ph.D. to investigative reporters, and refuses to name the organization that gave him the Ph.D.
Malpractice and ethics violations
Berg was successfully sued for legal malpractice by former clients on whose behalf Berg had neglected to file a response to a complaint in an ERISA lawsuit, resulting in a default judgment being entered against the former clients. The ERISA plaintiffs moved for summary judgment—which was granted after Berg failed to respond to the motion—and then moved for sanctions against Berg. Berg again failed to file a response.
The court also found that Berg’s claim was motivated by a “desire to harass” and “delay” but Berg failed to respond to the motion.
On June 2, 2005, U.S. District Judge J. Curtis Joyner granted the motion for sanctions, finding that the fraud claim “was inadequately pled, not grounded in fact, time-barred, and utterly irrelevant to the pending malpractice action against him.” Observing that an attorney’s signature on a complaint constitutes, among other things, a certification that the signer has conducted a reasonable inquiry into the grounds for the claim asserted.
Lawsuit concerning Barack Obama
Main article: Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories#Berg v. Obama et al.
Berg filed a complaint in federal district court on August 21, 2008, against Democratic Party presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission, alleging that Obama was born actually in Mombasa, Kenya and that the “Certification of Live Birth” on Obama’s website is a forgery. The court dismissed the complaint as “frivolous and not worthy of discussion.” The judge also found that the harm Berg alleged did “not constitute an injury in fact” and that Berg’s arguments to the contrary “ventured into the unreasonable.” Berg filed a petition for writ of certiorari to the United States Supreme Court and also sought an injunction to suspend the election. The injunction was denied by Justice David Souter on November 3, 2008. Berg also sought an application for injunction pending the disposition of the petition for writ of certiorari; Justice Souter denied it, Berg refiled and submitted it to Justice Anthony Kennedy (who denied it), then refiled and submitted it to Justice Antonin Scalia, who referred it to the Court. On January 12, 2009, the Supreme Court denied Berg’s petition for writ of certiorari, and on January 21 the Court denied the application for injunction.
And you want me to take this man seriously? In what universe should I do that?
Report thisBy BR549, August 9, 2010 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment
Re: diamond, August 9 at 4:25 pm
So, after your 654 word rant, what you’re basically trying to tell me is that you
havn’t read or listened to Berg’s argument at all and you have absolutely no idea
what the grounds for his argument is other than the drivel you heard on the main
stream media, ........... but you feel perfectly qualified enough to dismiss his
argument.
Nice tactic. I’ll try that one the next time I want to make myself look completely
Report thisfoolish.
By diamond, August 9, 2010 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment
‘That said, your little dismissive tantrum sounds to me like you’ve written Berg’s argument off before you’ve even heard or read it. Wow, that’s objective. Think for one moment where that leaves the country if it was found that a whole string of politicians knew he was not a citizens, but had been forced to keep their mouths shut ........ you know, like with damn near everything else that happens in Washington as the politicians knowingly distance themselves from the populace. ...... SSDD! BR549
You say I’ve been dismissive. Is it dismissive to rely on my own intelligence and commonsense rather than smear and innuendo not backed up by fact? It seems you are either unable or unwilling to do this but your inability to make any rational claim that supports this ridiculous story says it all. You claim a ‘whole string’ of politicians knew he wasn’t a citizen but have kept their mouths shut. Why? Well YOU certainly don’t have any explanation, none at all. And let’s face it, why would they keep their mouths shut? The Democrats are not fools, even if you assume they are, and would never nominate a candidate they knew was not an American citizen and the Republicans and their close friends in the media (and that means all the media) would have had a field day with this information. They would have brayed it to the moon and there is no way Obama could ever have been nominated or elected if any part of this ridiculous myth had any basis in reality whatsoever. I am objective: when I read or hear something that is patently bullshit, I objectively say it’s bullshit.
And what you should really be thinking about is where the REPUBLICANS left the country: raped, beaten up and thrown on a dung heap. And all this stuff about who is and is not a citizen is just the race card and the xenophobia card rolled into one disgusting ball of prejudice and bigotry. People like you make these stupid claims and believe them because a lawyer, and I use the term loosely, claims they’re true. John Yoo’s a lawyer too and I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could kick him in a stiff breeze. This lawyer is undoubtedly another Republican shill. Don’t use some shyster lawyer’s brain, use your own and ask yourself how likely is it that the Republicans would let, as the birthers claim, a Muslim who is not an American citizen be elected president (and say not one word about it) - or even allow him to run? All they had to do was send immigration around to the Obama residence and deport him back to wherever you and this lawyer claim he was born. Why didn’t they? Because the fact is, he was born in Hawaii to an American mother which makes him an American citizen, just like it says on his passport. The Republicans have a long history of believing that the truth is any lie (I can see Russia from my verandah/house) you can make the voters believe and this crap is no exception. The whole birther thing didn’t just happen: this is a professionally run disinformation campaign and since the Democrats have no reason to run it that narrows the field of suspects considerably.
The situation with the Mexicans is that the far right, free market, Ayn Randians want them to be in America as cheap illegal labour because it keeps everyone else’s wages down too. But they are also a handy tool for the far right to use to demonize anyone who is ‘different’ and create paranoia and fear of ‘foreigners’. In fact, this is what the Nazis did to the Jews. It was revolting then and it’s revolting now. And while you’re at it why don’t you deport Michael Chertoff, head of Homeland Security. He still has his Israeli passport and I’m assuming it’s NOT FAKE.
Report thisBy BR549, August 9, 2010 at 5:36 am Link to this comment
Diamond,
Look, like I said, I had voted for Obama and yet it was his own actions that became his own undoing. I had goosebumps on election night along with next patsy, so, I certainly didn’t come to this position from before election night with both my barrels loaded.
That said, your little dismissive tantrum sounds to me like you’ve written Berg’s argument off before you’ve even heard or read it. Wow, that’s objective. Think for one moment where that leaves the country if it was found that a whole string of politicians knew he was not a citizens, but had been forced to keep their mouths shut ........ you know, like with damn near everything else that happens in Washington as the politicians knowingly distance themselves from the populace. ...... SSDD!
But back to Berg, at the time I first had heard of him, I just dismissed him as just another disgruntled sour grapes Tea Party Birther malcontent; that was until I heard him.
He wasn’t ranting. He wasn’t jumping up and down like an angry ape. As a matter of fact, he was far better composed about it than you were in your earlier dismissive response. Remember what people do when they can’t yet grasp the truth and begin going through the grief response. It sound like you’re
somewhere between the Denial and Anger stages. Well, don’t feel like the Lone Ranger, because there are countless more people, most of them Democrats, who have been or are still going through that same process.
You can go ahead and stay on this course, but before you dash yourself on the rocks in the near future, I would suggest you do yourself a favor and at least hear what he has to say. Then you can come back and say to me that you perhaps didn’t find some point relevant or some inconsistencies in his logic, but I doubt you’ll be able to do that. He’s an attorney who seems all too intimately familiar with the legal aspects surrounding this issue. Don’t take my word for it, listen to him and see for yourself.
Report thisBy ofersince72, August 8, 2010 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment
There you go BR549…..WoW….....
Report thisBy diamond, August 8, 2010 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment
BR549 this is a very old trick. They get you asking the wrong questions and then you’re putty in their hands. Now I like a good conspiracy as much as the next tin foil hat wearing person but when I see these birthers saying that the announcement of Obama’s birth in a paper in Hawaii in the SIXTIES has been rigged I can’t help but question their sanity. And when I see them saying that he was born in Indonesia or Kenya when the birth notice proves he wasn’t then it’s obvious something else is going on here. The neo cons and the Republicans have a long history of playing the race card and the immigration card and promoting division and paranoia and this is just one more card.
One birther even claimed that the Obamas had no reason to announce little Barack’s birth because they ‘didn’t know everyone in Hawaii’. Well when people have babies they put notices in the paper even if they don’t know everyone in Boston or wherever. That’s just normal behaviour but to these idiots it’s proof that ‘they’ have tampered with the newspaper- even though newspapers have original copies of every edition in their archive and tampering with them is not possible unless you go and find every single copy in existence and find a way to insert the birth notice-which by the way is also impossible. To do this the Democrats would have to have the newspaper on board with their scheme and let’s face facts, newspapers don’t do things like that for the Democrats even though they’ll do ANYTHING for the right, including lying in their teeth on any number of subjects.But I don’t think a newspaper proprietor would find it in any way possible or desirable to go back to the sixties to falsify his own newspaper to protect Barack Obama OR the Democrats. It’s a completely ludicrous proposition but it also illustrates their technique: Barack Obama had an American mother and he has an American passport and nothing any number of tame and partisan lawyers say on the subject can change those facts so the whole discussion about the birth notice or the birth certificate or any of the other idiotic fairytales they spread around has any credibility whatsoever.
Nor do they believe their own fairytales: this is all part of a scheme to say Barack Obama is part of some Muslim vanguard out to conquer America- even though he’s not a Muslim but a practicing Christian- while at the same time claiming that he’s a Marxist when he’s a centre-left politician who wouldn’t even be regarded as socialist in Europe. It’s more than obvious to me that losing government has made the Republicans and their sub-branches, such as the birthers and the Tea Party lose their minds. And giving yet further proof of the well known fact that conservatives have lower I.Q’s than liberals, it seems that 41% of Republicans now believe Obama is not an American. Jesus wept.
Report thisBy BR549, August 8, 2010 at 10:49 pm Link to this comment
Sabagio, August 9 at 12:23 am
I am from a somewhat similar situation. I was a real Ike fan until in my later years I learned that he was in support of Operation Northwoods. And, because my family was always Republican, I too, voted for Nixon and Reagan. And that’s where it stopped.
I had this project I was working on with the Merchant Marine and Fisheries Committee and wound giving testimony before a House subcommittee. What a GD joke. Those clowns were just doing the lip service thing while those with the appearance of due diligence were hard at it in front of the camera. The ones at the end of the crescent of seats were bullshitting, laughing (at a very low tone), eating sandwiches; I mean, I was disgusted. Here, I had worked on this project for four years, not expecting one dime of monetary gain, and these clowns were practically back at Bohemian Grove. Two thirds of them weren’t paying any attention at all to the testimony.
I disaffiliated after that and never looked back. It also gave me a new perspective with which to view the Democratic Party and, sad to say, that was in just as bad a shape.
They’re prostitutes, really, except that when you leave the room, you realize that your wallet was considerably lighter and the service was terrible. And I speak for the 99% of them who never ever give you a response to your questions about states rights or the Constitution. If they do know about such things, they either intentionally clam up or they just don’t have the intellect to grasp what is happening ...... and they’re part in it.
I had illustrated to someone in another Truthdig thread that the big misunderstanding about being “conservative” these days is that the average farmer in Grain Belt Iowa realizes that something has been wrong with our system for quite a while and that in order to fix it, we have to go back in time to a more stable set of family and community values. The Democrat voters, on the other hand, have been seeing the same level of disconnection and their solution is to progressively fix things through change, only moving forward.
Then we have, as I think you had alluded to, the Republican politicians, who have been talking that talk about espousing conservative values but instead had been marching off to their own drum embracing Conservatism by the former Federalist definition, a dysfunctional remnant of colonial era British rule. What their constituent voters didn’t realize was that their Republican politicians are talking about the 200 year old British Conservatism that embraced stability for the aristocracy to preserve their wealth and holdings instead of preserving Mom, apple pie, and Chevrolets back here in the USA.
I think, when it all comes out in the wash, we might actually find that the constituents of both parties have far more in common than not; and that the politicians NEED to maintain the division as deep as it is in order to preserve their own jobs and to keep developing more ways to tap into and parasitize our hard earned tax dollars to build protective underground shelters for the wealthy or whatever other projects they’ve been wasting our money on ........ like FEMA, DHS, and Israel.
It’s no wonder there is such an enormous disconnect and why the Grain and Bible Belt Republican voters still think that they share the same definition of the word “conservative” as their politicians. They are still being lied to; just like the Democrats had voted for Hope and Change. Actually, they’re desperately hoping they have some change left at the end of the year. As an economic analyst friend of mine has said repeatedly, we haven’t even seen the recession yet.
Report thisBy Sabagio, August 8, 2010 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment
I was born into a family of generations of proud and committed Republicans. My grandfather’s Republican Party was the Party of Lincoln. Two of his uncles became volunteers in the Union Army and were in major battles from Fort Donnellson to Atlanta Georgia. My father’s party was that of Teddy Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover and Dwight David Eisenhower. Then came what was to be my Republican Party: Barry Goldwater, a man of the Old West that never was, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, two backslid Democrats who switched parties when they needed jobs, and the Bushes. To me the Republican Party of my father and grandfather is no longer, replaced by an outdated 19th century philosophy by political opportunists who promised anything to win. In the mid-60’s I took a job as director of an economic development agency. Although The Civil Rights Act had been passed the year before, and the Bradley County/Cleveland Tennessee school systems intergrating their segregated school systems, local Negros were still viewed as second class citizens. After a few months on the job I was invited to dinner by the local Negro “political club” (at that time there were no local NAACP or SCLC.)” The members of the club wanted to know what economic development and would their kids have more opportunities than they had. They said they couldn’t get any straight answers from the mayor and county public officials. Even though I was obviously white, they treated me as someone who would talk to them as grown men, not afraid to give the best answers based on what I knew to questions asked. One of the questions was “We heard promises before. When everything calms down, will the government go back on its word and try to reinstate Jim Crow laws. I said “I don’t see that happening or or very smart. The laws are on the books and a lot of money has been committed to ensure they work. Retrenchment didn’t make any sense politically or otherwise.” Then the debate began. “Dred Scott and Plessey vs. Ferguson were decisions made by the US Supreme Court, right? And Brown vs. the Board of Education was also a decision made by the Supreme Court, right? Once things calm down and white folks get their act together, what’s going to stop them from going to the Supreme Court to take it all back?” My answer: “nothing.” Then came the question: “why do you think it won’t happen again?” I said off the top of my head: “It would cost too much to turn back the clock. The mayor and the county judge bragged to me how much money was being saved by closing schools and how they were going to spend the money to buy things for “education.” “True but our community didn’t have a say in the matter ‘cause no negroes are on the school boards. They’re spending our money on white kids and white schools like they always have. Our kids are looked at as outsiders who should be grateful for being allowed to attend their schools and thankful that they’re being treated so well.” I said “even though our local and state officials may be morally and ethically challenged, their greed and boasts to white voters about how much tax money they’ve saved would temper their desire to turn back the clock.” “Maybe. We wouldn’t put it past whitey to do something stupid. If he thinks we’re going to put up with that bull shit any more he’d better watch out.” The meeting went on to other more important things like the covered dish supper that was getting cold, causing the cooks to fuss. Here we are 40 years later. It’s Southern Republicans rather than Southern Democrats, the white hats are now black hats, advocating turning back the clock, getting rid of the 14th Amendment as a quick fix, a “final solution” to immigration problems. Ugly! A name change for the Republican Party is in order. Please. Perhaps the No Nothing Party would be more in keeping with their ideology; better yet the Backward Peoples Party.
Report thisBy APITBULLONYOURHEELZ, August 8, 2010 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment
@E.J. Dionne, Jr
Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. I happen to know that illegal immigrants have babies here in the USA for EXACTLY that reason! I’ve had illegals tell me this in Southwest Florida on several occasions. You are a woefully misinformed and probably don’t want to see the truth. Don’t try to push your beliefs on the American public. We’ve had enough of these freeloaders and want them gone.
An illegal alien breaks the law as soon as they step foot in my country. Then we go and reward them for having a child here by giving that child citizenship? What an outdated and utterly ignorant law. THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS! THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY! WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?
HARSH YOU SAY??
1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots for elections, and all government business will be conducted in our language.
2. Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote, no matter how long they are here.
3. Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.
4. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, nor any other government assistance programs.
5. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.
6. If foreigners do come and want to buy land that will be okay, BUT options will be restricted. You are not allowed to own waterfront property. That property is reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
7. Foreigners may not protest; no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no political organizing, no “bad-mouthing” our president or his policies. If you do you will be sent home.
8. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be hunted down and sent straight to jail.
Harsh, you say ?...
The above laws happen to be the immigration laws of MEXICO
We even tolerate these illegals taking to the streets in protest! Enough I say, enough!
Report thisBy BR549, August 8, 2010 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment
diamond, August 8 at 5:00 pm
“I’m sure at the back of their Neanderthal minds is the thought that if they
change this they can find a way to deport Barack Obama to Hawaii.”
Forget Hawaii.
I’m not sure if you’ve heard Atty. Phil Berg’s legal argument about Obama’s
legitimacy to be president, but it is a very compelling one. It then asks the
question why, if the documents suggest his birth in Kenya, why was so much
of this covered up or ignored? After having heard Berg, I think the real issue
here is why the powers that be need to have Obama in office; not whether he
was eligible, because if that’s the case, our politicians could put Jimmy Hoffa
on the 2012 ticket, we might all wind up voting for a piece of cardboard, and
the country would continue to go down the toilet as usual.
I had decided that I wasn’t going to get sucked in with that Birther argument
crowd because they had the attitude that some would associate with Tin Foil
Hat wearers, but after listening to Berg, he presents some very rational research
and arguments. Then one wonders why the MSM has totally dropped the ball
on this and why Obama has been shelling out over $900,000 in legal fees
already, trying to fight this on the QT; well, it certainly makes one wonder
............. wonder about the legality of all those laws he signed that might have
been illegal from the start.
Of course, everyone so despised the last eight years under Bush the Idiot, that
anyone with half a brain had jumped off the Republican Train and now they’ll
do ANYTHING to make sure we don’t return to that level of corruption; even if it
means the POSSIBILITY of having voted in an ineligible candidate. And why, for
God’s sake, are his records sealed?
Look I voted for him too, but I want some answers.
Report thisBy ocjim, August 8, 2010 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment
Anything that the Republicans do is part of a plan to regain power and influence. Issues and common sense have nothing to do with anything except that singular goal. Discussing their seeming idiocy only gives them center stage.
Focusing on this Machiavellian strategy of the Republicans should be the Democrats strategy not commenting on their lame and attention-gathering utterings.
So truth is irrelevant when your goal is grasping power and influence, and keeping it.
Report thisBy diamond, August 8, 2010 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment
I’m sure at the back of their Neanderthal minds is the thought that if they change this they can find a way to deport Barack Obama to Hawaii.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, August 6, 2010 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment
Why should we be surprised when a Southern White Republican uses the word “drop” for the birth of a non-white baby? After all, that’s a word used for 4-legged births of domestic animals.
That just shows you that very little has changed since 1865..
Report thisBy Aarky, August 6, 2010 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment
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I’m a little late to the posting and I have a suggestion for a constitutional amendment. No person with dual citizenship may hold any elected office in the US government. No person with dual citizenship may work as a staff member for any member of Congress. No person with dual citizenship may be appointed to work at the White House or any Federal Department,Commission, or study group that recommends Federal policy. Add on as needed to keep all the Joe Leiberman’s and Rahm Emanual’s of the US from getting us into wars on behalf of Israel.
Report thisThis is more important at the moment than all this fuss about the repeal of the 14th Amendment.
By BR549, August 6, 2010 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment
If parents of a child born in the US are both not US citizens, then the child should
be afforded dual-citizenship and then sent back along with the parents to East
Where-Ever-The-Hell-They-Came-From. That would solve the anchor baby
problem and motivate the parents to realize there’s no free lunch program over
here. Maybe they’d get a free birth at the hospital but certainly a ticket on the
first bus outta here. No welfare, no “benefits”, and if they don’t learn English, no
sympathy.
The politicians in Washington have known about this problem for decades and
Report thiskeep pushing the button on the debate blender just long enough to give lip
service to the whole thing and ultimately keep the corrupt bankers appeased.
By Tobysgirl, August 6, 2010 at 6:45 am Link to this comment
In case you all forgot, we are all animals, and unlike humans, most animal mothers actually take good care of their offspring. Having been a foster parent, I figured out long ago that the reason one can reach abused animals much more easily than children is that their MOTHERS groomed them, fed them, protected them.
I realize that white supremacists always wanted to animalize people of color, but considering what humanity has done, I’m happy to be considered an animal instead of human (and generally the same people consider women to be animals, while men are of some higher order). We shouldn’t say “He’s such an animal”; “he’s such a human” would be more accurate.
Don’t waste your time replying to anything I say, rico. I don’t read your posts.
Report thisBy bogi666, August 6, 2010 at 3:19 am Link to this comment
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Why was my comments about Senator Graham being a despicable, ingrate cretin, obnoxious, arrogant, and pathetic who insults, arrogance and hubris with which he treats his fellow South Carolinian’s whom are ignorant, intellectually lazy and stupid removed from being displayed. Then td asks for money, another insult.
Report thisBy wildflower, August 5, 2010 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment
Re Truthr: “Did anyone notice the animal implications of Graham’s remark: the reference is to a “drop calf,” . . . a southern and western term.”
It was rather shocking to say the least, especially coming from a Southern Baptist like Graham who say all new beings are created in God’s image.
Report thisBy rico, suave, August 5, 2010 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment
ITW:
Let’s agree to disagree about Newt. truthdig is no forum for extended debate.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, August 5, 2010 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment
Please don’t turn me in for saying this, but I sort of miss Bill Clinton.
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Clinton left the nation in a far, far better state than George Bush left, or that Obama has brought us to.
Gingrich is an historian. But just as there are MDs who are incompetent imbeciles and the MDs who can perform brain surgery, so there are good historians and bad ones. Gingrich is one of the worst.
Report thisBy dihey, August 5, 2010 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment
One powerful glory of the 14-th amendment is that it changed the status of Johnson’s “excepted classes” into “legally protected classes”. The desire to repeal “legally protected classes” which includes children born in our country can only be the child of a deranged brain that has dropped its senses and left its rational control.
Report thisEJ I have often been critical of you in the past but I applaud you for this piece. By-the-way, Karl Schurz was a good friend of my great-grandfather who helped him escape the clutches of the King of Baden, Germany.
By rico, suave, August 5, 2010 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment
ITW:
I think the Republican Party is getting very nervous, if not desperate, about the Tea Party: They are glomming onto some very fringy ideas coming from there. I don’t know why. Well, yes I do- they are worried about losing elections- to hell with their convictions.
This loony idea about messing with 14 is a measure of their shoot-first-ask-questions-later current attitude. This issue is 100% heat and zero % light.
I personally don’t know where to turn. I’m too much of a snob to countenance Sarah Palin, ‘ya knaw’! And my hero, Newt doen’t stand a chance because he’s too much of a brainiac himself. Hell, he’s an historian for pete’s sake!
Please don’t turn me in for saying this, but I sort of miss Bill Clinton.
Report thisBy truthr, August 5, 2010 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment
Did anyone notice the animal implications of Graham’s remark: the reference is to a “drop calf,” one taken from its mother right after birth—a southern and western term.
Report thisBy wildflower, August 5, 2010 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
RE E.J. DIONNE: “This is the origin of the American nationality, which did not spring from one family, one tribe, one country, but incorporates the vigorous elements of all civilized nations on earth.” That is the American tradition and the Republican tradition. Senator Graham, please don’t throw it away.”
Believe it’s a waste of time to plea, E.J. The Republicans have been trying to throw America’s essentials out the door for some time now. I’d say their ugly side really blossomed during Bush/Cheney’s love affair with New Citizenship Project & Project for the New American Century.
Surely, you remember the NCP, PNAC, and all those principled signatory guys like Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Elliott Abrams, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfiwitz? Along with all those radical right wing foundations who funded NCP - PNAC, such as, that Bradley Foundation, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin?
As you may recall, these Bradley Foundation folks are downright mean spirited. They hate minority affirmative action programs and only live to privatized public schools with public money. And the people they consider to be the foremost social thinkers in the country are downright creepy:
Charles Murray – Murray is the “author of “The Bell Curve,” which argues that intelligence is predicated on race, and “Losing Ground,” whose thesis is that social programs should be abolished.”
Dinesh D’Souza – “D’Souza, in his book, “The End of Racism,” attempts to absolve Whites from discrimination against Blacks during slavery, claiming that Blacks were too uncivilized to be a part of society anyway.”
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/lynde-and-harry-bradley-foundation
Report thisBy bogi666, August 5, 2010 at 10:29 am Link to this comment
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More NAZIFICATION of the USA, somehow I’m not surprised. Just to make it right though it has to be retroactive to 1866, just to bring the GOP in line with true, sincere NAZISM,not just the lazy half assessed NAZISM of the Lindsay Graham variety. Skin color had no bearing on whom were enslaved by the Nazi’s, they were an equal opportunity enslaver and retroactive provided no stature of limitation. Last month it was Repubican who wanted to make it a crime for people to grow their own vegetables, fruits, flowers on their own land. This is the true color of conservatives, probing into everyone’s private lives, Plant Police, punishing and abandoning children, all the while bragging the Repubicans are family friendly. The pretend christian churches are in concert with this propaganda line.
Report thisBy DeNeece Butler, August 5, 2010 at 10:24 am Link to this comment
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E.J.: Have you considered the possibility that the rights conveyed by the Constitution could be subject to abuse? Have you forgotten the concept of responsibilities accompanying those rights? In a society where loopholes, back doors, plea bargains and deliberate misconstruance of the law is common practice, why is it so difficult to accept that the birthing of “anchor babies” in this country is just another of these ploys? Further, “anchor babies” is just one aspect of the larger illegal alien problem that must be solved in a manner equitable to all.
Report thisBy Justin Weleski, August 5, 2010 at 10:24 am Link to this comment
I had trouble finishing the article once the author
referred to Lindsey Graham as “one of the nation’s
most reasonable conservatives.” I don’t consider
endless support for aggressive foreigns wars and
occupations, extraordinary rendition, targeted
assassinations, the denial of habeas corpus, and
torture to be reasonable. I also don’t consider it
very reasonable when one support tax cuts and
subsidies for the top 1% while leaving the rest of
America to fight over table scraps.
Of course, I know exactly what Dionne was referring
Report thisto; the fact that Graham occasionally votes (or
negotiates) with Democrats. Apparently “reason” is
now a factor of bipartisanship, not underlying
policies or moral/ethical judgments. Thanks for the
clarification, Dionne. While I agree with the crux
of your argument (i.e., Republicans are trumpeting
this “issue” to score political points with their
base and undecided voters), the manner in which you
frame the discussion is all too typical of the
“inside-the-beltway” mindset.
By Inherit The Wind, August 5, 2010 at 9:14 am Link to this comment
Rico,
A TRUE Conservative, like you, would never want to change such a historic amendment solely for temporary political gain. That’s always been the definition of Conservative—no change unless absolutely necessary.
Therefore these people aren’t Conservatives. They are radical reactionaries and have no right to call themselves “Conservative”.
Report thisBy rico, suave, August 5, 2010 at 8:09 am Link to this comment
This is ugly. Makes me ashamed to be a conservative. These assholes are really going to figure out how to shoot themselves in the foot pre-November.
Report thisBy balkas, August 5, 2010 at 7:06 am Link to this comment
US has a few principles, but are always sidestepped and gotten americans into slavery, civil war [no principle helped avoid the civil war], 180 wars-incursions, segregation, lynchings, exploitation, privatization of governance, etc.
Uncle sam was just the best dissembler ever! Don’t expect a MSM collumnist to tell you this! tnx
Report thisBy ofersince72, August 5, 2010 at 2:27 am Link to this comment
Boy oh Boy, this will make some good hay for the
Report thismedia for a while.