Fascists said: “It means we can soon enough expect similar treatment from military-minded thugs on American soil toward Occupy Wall Street protesters.”

Sorry no. That doesnt happen until after the Leftists have their revolution, like in Egypt. Only then will the the tanks roll over Christians. Nice, try, ‘Fascists’.

gerard said: “We need to ask this question, and do something intelligent before another “war against ???? gets underway”

In Egypts case, no need to be cute or mysterious with the ???? marks. We all know that Egypts target for hate and war is the Israelis.

I plead with Egyptians then, and all the Leftists and Islamists who read here. Do not say: “Do something intelligent before another war with ???? gets underway.

No need to be coy. Lets just say it loud together:

Do something intelligent before another war with Israel gets underway.

Silence is Complicity said: Knowing the history and the likely evil players, I dare to say, “Look at the Zionists and the Christian Zionists who have a history of enmity to Islam and Muslims and thrive on stirring religious strife!”

I do not care what names the Leftists and Islamicists like MK Ultra call me for speaking out right now. Silence really is complicity, so i must speak my mind. You sir, are a menace to the human race. Shame!

Blaming the victim for their plight is evil, period. Shame again!

Oh, bruther!  I see the thread has been hijacked by the Islamophobes.  Good luck and good riddance!

Hillary ‘the Mouth’ Clinton’s visit to Egypt (and other ME countries including Saudi Arabia and Bahrain) with bags full of payola in tow didn’t give that one away, eh?  Tragically, what happened in Egypt and Tunisia is representative of the human condition and shows what will happen to the rest of the countries that dare fight back against the oligarchy.  Nothing short of a world-wide French Revolution will take care of the mess the 1% has made of this world.

Egyptians believed that non-violent demonstrations and activism would lead to a democratic revolution deposing Mubarak.  Libyans used guns.

Now, Egyptian military is in control, as it always was, and is the king maker - not the revolutionaries.  In Libya, the military are getting killed for their betrayal of the Libyan people - in Egypt, the military is pulling a Pinochet and getting away with it because of it’s previous alliance with the US, as did Pinochet.

I’ve read Ghandi’s autobiography.  I’ve read King.  There is a time and place for non-violent revolution - Egypt is not one of them.

In case you forgot, the Mumbai Massacre was blamed on “Hindu Zionists.”  I never knew such a thing existed, but it’s one more invention by Muslims who refuse to take responsibility for their intolerance and violence.  I, for one, never thought the Arab Spring would embrace non-Muslims.

There has been religious intolerance in Egypt and in most Moslem countries for years. Coptic Christians have been subject to discrimination in Egypt even before the time of Nasser. And All the Jews were driven out of Egypt. In Mubarak’s dictatorship hundreds of African refugees were killed. Throughout the Murabak era vehement racist anti-Semitic, not just anti-Zionist(actually there one and the same thing) profaned poisoned Egyptian media.
The treaty with Israel was one of convenience not love. Geoffroy’s disingenuous expression of shock is unconvincing. This persecution of minorities is going to continue. The Moslem Brotherhood is in control whether obvious or not. No, Egypt is not becoming democratic. There will be the facade of democracy perhaps, rigged ejections and such, but Egypt will drift more and more to religious fanaticism. In a few years those Egyptians who really did want democracy will harken back to Mubarak’s rule as the halcyon age. Oh but even
these supposed democracy lovers will have Isreal
and the Jews to blame for the misery Egyptians
inflict on themselves.

After hearing the tragic news of Egypt’s Black Sunday and reading this piece by Lauren Unger-Geoffroy, I felt deeply sad that my worst fears have been realized.

From the very beginning of the Arab Spring, I predicted that the forces of darkness, both domestic and foreign, will plan and plot to taint the revolution’s reputation and make it fail.

I strongly condemn the domestic agents of evil in Egypt who might be involved in this tragic incident. Yet, I cannot totally dismiss the foreign provocateurs who have great interest in creating doubts, trouble and instability into new Egypt.

Knowing the history and the likely evil players, I dare to say, “Look at the Zionists and the Christian Zionists who have a history of enmity to Islam and Muslims and thrive on stirring religious strife!”

Even without having a material evidence to support my theory about these two groups’ plotting at this early stage, I stand convinced, through my educated gut feeling, that my statement will be proven true under the future light of history and investigation.

The first mistake was by the youth who believed the military would actually be a force of revolutionary change when the heads are old guard generals. The military is happy to have this sort of sectarian chaos break out to keep finding excuses to apply the iron fist.

Revolution and protesting are not ends to themselves, people need to organize serious revolutionary organs, alternatives and militancy to replace the old state.

Lauren Unger-Geoffroy writes clearly and beautifully.

Unity on issues of “liberty and justice for all” is essential to democratic goveernment.People who do not believe in democracy try to undermine unity by emphasizing differences and denying the generic commonalities of the human species.

The movement of humans in the world today is toward unity in spite of enormous cultural and economic differences. Authoritarian rule depends upon dividing people against each other. Authoritarians are skeeptical of democratic “togetherness” because they know it means that power will be distributed more eqitably among many rather than centralized in the hands of the few.

People who prophesy defeat for democracy in Egypt are the same as those who prophesy defeat for democracy here at home.

Recently, Angela Merkel was quoted as saying that “multiculturism is dead”—or words to that effect.  Cultural differences brought suddenly and closely together to function within socio-economic frameworks previously dominated by uni-cultural habits, customs and laws, are sure to experience temporary frictions. 

But the long sweep of history shows evidence that differences are gradually understood, accepted or evolve into some sort of assimilation—unless
(and this is important in the present mix of cultures) unless governments or religions succeed in using the friction between diffences to increase fear, to emphasize dangers, to discriminate against one culture at the behest of another, and eventually to fight wars.  The choice is always there, and democracy is the form of government that allows the most people a chance to choose.

P.S.  Iran has a very different “culture” than American “culture.”  Leaders are not working for mutual understanding.  Instead, they are emphasizing differences and pointing up difficulties and creating charges and counter-charges.  Is this authoritarian behavior on both sides?  And if so, to what end?

We need to ask this question, and do something intelligent before another “war against ???? gets underway.

yes, i have ‘predicted’ that nothing good wld come
out of the egyptian protests.
and nothing good wld come out of the american
protest or OWS.

it’s never as easy as it looks or as protesters expect.
the situation is by far more serious than people
think.
actually, the more we protest, the situation for
nonruling classes and ‘aliens’ seems to be
worsening.

protesting=easy does it. historical lesson says and
proves otherwise.
hard, dogged work, dedication, honesty, suffering
[injury/penury], enlightenment may work, but not in
days, years, or even decades.
ages and sages say so. we can see that with even
one bad eye let alone with two good ones.
yes, no intelligence nor education needed.
if i had better news, i’d give it to you!! tnx

Thank you for this article ,Lauren Unger-Geoffroy, i am happy that you wrote it.

I am not sure about the ‘one hand’ concept. There are two ways to keep a minority down. One is the threat of retaliation against any ‘uppity’ behaviour, which is what the march and bloodshed was all about.

The second way is to subsume the minority by claiming that the minority interest is ‘one’ with the desires of the majority group, even if that is not really true. The minority is still not free to press its own case for equality since it is not under the protection of law, but under the protection of “one hand”, which is to say the desires of the majority group.

I understand the desirablity of “One hand”, but as with everything, there is good and bad in it. Maybe we should consider this from the minority view. And i am not referring to what the Copts say when under the pressure from the majority group, since they will say nice things because of the indirect threat that is present. yYu will find some Copts quite willing to say that all is well. It is a little dangerous to do otherwise.

One way to look at it is to see if the Copts truly have confidence in the Arab Spring. It seems they do not, for they have been voting with their feet and leaving Egypt.