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Dennis Kucinich on the NDAA and ‘War Without End’

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Posted on Dec 20, 2011
U.S. Air Force / Staff Sgt. Rasheen Douglas

By Dennis Kucinich

Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, perhaps the most consistent advocate of peace in the U.S. Congress, has been forced by gerrymandering into a primary battle. Last week Kucinich made the following statement on the National Defense Authorization Act to the House of Representatives.

Our children deserve a world without end, not war without end.

This bill authorizes permanent warfare anywhere in the world. It gives the president unchecked power to pursue war. It diminishes the role of this Congress. The founders saw Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, which places in the hands of Congress the war power, as essential to a check and balance against the executive abuse of power. This legislation diminishes Congress’ role in that regard.

This legislation authorizes the military to indefinitely detain individuals without charge or trial, including the detention of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. In short, what this bill does is it takes a wrecking ball to the United States Constitution and gives enormous
power to the government or the state. I want friends on both sides of the aisle to understand this; we are giving the state more power over individuals with this bill. It’s the wrong direction.

Our children deserve a world without end, not war without end. Our children deserve a world where they know the government will protect them, that it is not going to rule over them by invading their very thoughts and going, as the Patriot Act does, going into their banking records or into their educational records. We have to keep the government out of people’s personal lives and stop the government from getting more into war—which gives the government more control over people. This is the time we take a stand for the Constitution and a stand for a government which is smaller—when it comes to matters of war.

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By DonSchneider, December 24, 2011 at 6:36 am Link to this comment

I see a whole lot of sunshine patriots sitting on their asses and complaining about
what Dennis has failed to do. They all castigate him for not standing over the
carcass of a good idea and beating it until it rises by his will alone !Get real, you
mouthy mental masturbators and get off your flat asses and join the occupy
movement with the rest of us, or start your own damned movement demanding
change ! I am tired of hearing cowards berate others for lack of effort ! Go Away
and grow up ! Come back when you learn to do something besides pulling each
others pud with your angry meaningless bullshit ! You are the problem !

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By DonSchneider, December 22, 2011 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

OK Dennis , when will you decide we have all had enough and jump into a 3rd or
4th party run at the presidency ? I would be happier than a pig in ‘ship’ to see that
day roll around , any hope ?

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By terry p, December 22, 2011 at 8:13 am Link to this comment
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As for the NDAA, well GW Obama didn’t actually write the National Defense Authorization Act. He just signed it into law. McCain and Levin wrote it. The bill don’t actually change anything but gives a little more legal footing to what Bushit thought he had covered with his Patriot Act giving the president Cart Blanch to act as the King of the World. It was just a little tweaking for them to be able to stick anybody, including US citizens, living on this globe of Earth in prison permanently without due process. They want to make it perfectly legal that they completely stole our entire country and indeed all of Earths resources and living population, and enslaved us all for what ever their pleasure may be. And when I use the word ‘their’ It’s not intended that they include GW Obama who probably knows he’s just ‘their’ house n——r. Only the most vile elite corrupt and ‘bigoted’ banksters will enjoy the booty—- legally.

So ‘they’ think—-

Read “The Web of Debt” by Ellen Brown & help occupy somewhere!

tp:?]

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By TallMan, December 21, 2011 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment
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Unfortunately all of this talk of political reform, elections, corruption, and on, and on, etc. is not going to change anything. As JaneC said, once DK caved on the public option he just became another talker.

Take some time and read Morris Berman’s latest book, “Why America Failed.” Our system has failed. The evidence is so overwhelming that it is the air that we breathe. Redistributing the wealth will not change that we are part of an inherently flawed socioeconomic system.

As our friends from abroad have been telling us, talk is cheap. But yelling and chanting for a bigger piece of a rotten pie is not the answer either.

I for one will not be wasting any more of my time on electoral politics. It is just a system of illusion to keep everyday people in the mindset that they have some sort of say in the governance of this country; we don’t. George Carlin tried to tell people this many, many times. Read Sheldon Wolin’s “Democracy Incorporated.” You will have chills running up and down your spine after you understand what he is talking about.

We should just be preparing for a transition to a different way of life that doesn’t require the world’s most powerful military to defend our way of life whereby we comprise 5% of the world’s population but consume 25% of its natural resources. The system we have in place right now is in power to maintain this way, nothing else.

Please quit acting surprised when some politician acts accordingly to keep it that way.

TM

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By Night-Gaunt, December 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

Who can Kucinnich support for president? Republicans? Hell no! Obama? Hell no. No one else is running. Neutrality is the only way.

What the Bush administration did secretly Obama can do openly and under the law. That is the difference and it is a big one.

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By JDmysticDJ, December 21, 2011 at 1:19 pm Link to this comment

Kucinich, the Democrat, voted against NDAA, as did 107 of his fellow Democrats in the House of Representatives.

Note that Kucinich does not claim that the government would have the legal authority to arrest Americans for political associations or activities not associated with Al Queda or its affiliates, as some here wrongfully claim. NDAA restricts legal authority to people who are alleged to be members of Al Queda or affiliated organizations participating in or planning attacks against the United States.

Kucinich, the Democrat, and Democrats who agree with Kucinich are quite correct when stating that NDAA gives too much power to the executive, i.e. the government. Note that Republicans who were strong advocates of the Unilateral President when George W. was in power are, even now, not objecting to NDAA, (With the exception of Ron Paul who opposes everything government .) Obama brought the troops home from Iraq, an act of war ending that was accompanied by much vehement criticism from Republicans. Democrats such as Kucinich are seeking to end endless war, while Republicans are demanding the next act of war, Iran being the target. Let us work to make sure that the Leon Panettas will be overruled by the Kucinichs, for we know that the Republicans are gung ho for attacking Iran. Endless war is far more likely to occur under Republicans than Democrats.

Unfortunately we have only two viable political alternatives, let us not throw out the better thereby facilitating the worst. Every vote not cast for a Democrat is a vote cast for a Republican. A harsh reality but it is what it is.

Tragically it might take a decade, a generation, or more before our politicians and citizens come to their senses; those opposed to endless war must make the best choices available now. It is what it is.

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By race_to_the_bottom, December 21, 2011 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

By do over, December 20 at 9:57 pm Link to this comment


“By bill(from brisbane), December 20 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment
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Will you Americans stop talking and start acting I’m sick of you people rambling on… (Australian friend) “

RIGHT BILL!  Most who write here are not in the streets.  I’ve been there and we are few.  These are not the times to depend upon others only.  Those who do not put their skin on the line should refrain from speaking.  Time is up for the sunshine patriots.”


Right you are,  Do over. And Bill from Brisbane.

The VERY LEAST people in this lame ass country could do is to get off the damn couch and go down to a demonstration when one is called. It is the ONLY power you have. And make a hand lettered sign! That multiplies your power. It is the only press you will ever own. Use it!

So why don’t people go down? Some might be intimidated because of the highly publicized pepper spray incidents, but those are rare and easily avoided. I have been to many demonstrations and the cops are usually standing around bored. I think most people are just plain lazy or can’t be bothered.

If millions of people representing a cross section of the country took to the streets and converged on the power centers of the country, it will have an enormous effect. This is what we should be shooting for starting this spring and continuing up to, during and after the elections.

Also, the dumbass Democrats had TWO chances to put Kucinich forward as their candidate, but chose Kerry and Obama instead. Idiots.

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By Myshkin, December 21, 2011 at 9:17 am Link to this comment
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“This bill authorizes permanent warfare anywhere in the world. It gives the president unchecked power to pursue war. It diminishes the role of this Congress.”

Okay, but where exactly is the evidence that Congress, as a body, is representative of the will of the people? The ‘President v Congress’ argument is a bankrupt canard and a distraction from more fundamental and systemic problems.

In reality, there’s ample evidence that Congress belongs to those who can afford to own it. Kucinich, a darling of the idea-exhausted Left, promotes a point that may be constitutionally accurate, but advocates for a system that long ago sold out its constituents and abandoned any claim to the people’s trust.

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By caped amigo, December 21, 2011 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

Mr. Kucinich is my man for President. Too bad he is ahead of his time, and it is our
loss. Timing is important. I’ve had it good, but am relieved to be near the end of
my journey for there is nowhere to hide.
Only the rich want immortality, but death comes to us all…even for 1%ers he
comes.

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By Dennis in MI, December 21, 2011 at 8:13 am Link to this comment
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The fedgov jobs website has let bids on the staffing within 72 hours of the fema camps. KBR seems to have won. This sure looks like the writing on the wall for the race to fascism.
The NDAA kills “posse comitas” and enables wholesale military actions in the states. This power was entrusted to the nationl guard and the states governors were the guards commanders. No more!
Kucinich and Sanders and Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act which was written BEFORE 9-11.

    ???Still don’t believe in conspiracy theories???

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By Michael Cavlan RN, December 21, 2011 at 8:10 am Link to this comment

So who does Dennis Kucinich support as president?

As in support by his silence. To be neutral at this time is complicity. It really is that simple. Never mind his silence on what his party allowed to happen to his own constituents in the 2004 fraudulent election.

ROCKY ANDERSON FOR PRESIDENT

By the way, while Truthdig does have a series of puff pieces for Obama, firedoglake does allow articles that tell the truth about Obama. Not to forget articles about the building opposition to his Administration.

Do you ever wonder who pays the bills around here at TruthDig?

I do.

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By Cliff Carson, December 21, 2011 at 7:32 am Link to this comment

From the article by Kucinich:

“This legislation authorizes the military to indefinitely detain individuals without charge or trial, including the detention of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil.”

The same power Bush gave himself during his reign.

Something Obama railed against during his campaign.  He said he would cancel this directive immediately when he entered office.  He didn’t.

Now it seems it has become the “Law of the Land” superseding the Constitution.  Why have we let this happen?

More importantly - will we let it stand?

How long have concerned people written about the trend of America toward becoming a Totalitarian state?  Their warnings have now become true.  Does it have to remain this way?

I think the outcome is up to the American people.

We can either give up our freedoms and accept domination by an oppressive Government OR we can become protectors of our freedoms.  In either event the time has now arrived to make a choice.

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By LocalHero, December 21, 2011 at 2:09 am Link to this comment

Kucinich should run against Obama and pick Elizabeth Warren as his running mate.

Ron Paul can be his Secretary of Defense and be given the task of shutting down every US military base on the planet and then throwing the switch that blows up The Pentagon. In a perfect world.

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By do over, December 20, 2011 at 10:57 pm Link to this comment

“By bill(from brisbane), December 20 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment
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Will you Americans stop talking and start acting I’m sick of you people rambling on… (Australian friend) “

RIGHT BILL!  Most who write here are not in the streets.  I’ve been there and we are few.  These are not the times to depend upon others only.  Those who do not put their skin on the line should refrain from speaking.  Time is up for the sunshine patriots.  The excuses are always the same.  People who are in the streets do lose jobs, occasionally get arrested, and pay a heavy price while the armchair generals do nothing but enjoy the benefits of the sacrifices of others.  Today there is a crushing weight on the few who are in the streets.  They have led the way but the followers are still playing word games hoping to once again gain from the sacrifice of others.  Time is up.  There are no sideline benefits.  It’s either put your skin in the game or get crushed.  It’s that simple.

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By Cliff Carson, December 20, 2011 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

By Night-Gaunt, December 20 at 8:49 pm

In response to Samson Night-Gaunt said:

“Actually Kucinich does but he is usually out voted which is one of the main problems we have.”

Samson had made the following statement:

“Kucinich is all talk.  When talk is cheap, count on hearing Kucinich talk.  But when it comes to actual action, Kucinich is worthless.  He never does anything to challenge pro-corporate, pro-war
Democratic power.”

I disagree with Samson and totally agree with Night-Guant.  Many times Kucinich has offered Legislation that went nowhere simply because he was speaking truth.

I have looked at Rocky Anderson and the Justice Party “Principles”.  I can agree with Anderson and the Justice party in most of their utterances.

In the Problem Section concerning Torture,  the Justice Party covered torture and renditions and etc, but failed to give a mention about the torturing to death of detainees, and the torturing of detainees children in front of the detainee.  They did show a picture from Abu Gharib, but failed to mention that two detainees were tortured to death during the night of November 4, 2003.  They were both killed during a “Palestinian Hanging” administered by a Navy Seal Team and aided by a Private ( Corporate ) team. These killings were witnessed by about 150 Iraqi people.

No one has been convicted of anything for these two murders or any other of the hundreds of documented torturing to death of detainees.  The Lieutenant in charge was charged with striking the two detainees with a rifle butt but was found innocent.  Those two tortured to death are still dead and no one has been found guilty or tried for killing them.

One thing I did like about the Justice Platform was the forming of an ombudsman program to oversee the military’s behavior.  It was to be formed by the Military.  This is not sufficient.  The Ombudsman Group needs to be elected by ordinary citizens of the United States and needs absolute freedom from Politicians or the Military in doing their duty. That Group needs to have the authority to try war crimes perpetrators and their decisions need to be free from any interference from Government or the Military.  No sentence levied by this Group should be pardonable by Congress or the White House.

I can vote for the Justice Party and its candidates.

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By Night-Gaunt, December 20, 2011 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

Actually Kucinich does but he is usually out voted which is one of the main problems we have. Not enough on our side. The 1% owns too many of them. So don’t blame him for something he can’t control.

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By JaneC, December 20, 2011 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment
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Who gives a r@t’s @ss what Kucinich says on anything? 

After he broke his pledge on a public option, he became irrelevant.

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By Samson, December 20, 2011 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

Now that I live out west, I guess I can use folky
sayings like “Big Hat, No Cattle”.

Kucinich is all talk.  When talk is cheep, count on
hearing Kucinich talk.  But when it comes to actual
action, Kucinich is worthless.  He never does
anything to challenge pro-corporate, pro-war
Democratic power.  Not really.  He’ll talk all day
and all night when it means nothing.  But when push
comes to shove, you find him up on stage endorsing
John Kerry’s pro-war campaign.  When push comes to
shove, you’ll find him voting for Obama’s Big Health
Care Profit Protection Act when Obama and Pelosi
really need the vote.  When push comes to shove, he
puts off calling for the impeachment of Bush until
its too late.  When push comes to shove, he won’t
ever challenge and push for Obama’s impeachment.

And right now, when the left and the anti-war
movement all need a serious challenge to Obama’s pro-
war, pro-corporate rule, there’s Kucinich doing what
Obama tells him to do and sitting this one out on the
sidelines .... occasionally coming up to spout some
more meaningless and cheap talk that he’ll never have
the guts to back up with anything like a real action.

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By Alan MacDonald, December 20, 2011 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

As ‘Punk Patriot’ boldly warned on Common Dreams, it didn’t take the disguised Empire long to utilize the new 21st century ‘enabling act’.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2011/12/16-4

Best luck and love to Occupy Empire.

Liberty, democracy, justice, and equality.
over
violent/Vichy
empire,

Alan MacDonald

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By flaco, December 20, 2011 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

@ Bill (from Brisbane)

  I have a similar view. Lets stop the analyzing and the hand wringing. We know who they are, and what they are doing. Oh I forgot, there is another useless(for the citizens) election, to waste ink on.

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By bill(from brisbane), December 20, 2011 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment
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Will you Americans stop talking and start acting I’m sick of you people rambling on… (Australian friend)

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By diamond, December 20, 2011 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

For heaven’s sake! How does Kucinich think the arms corporations and the Pentagon and the CIA are going to manage without endless war? Their ride on the gravy train depends on it. The fact that most of them are mad means his words will fall on psychotic ears.

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By Marian Griffith, December 20, 2011 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment
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@Michael Calving RN
—YOUR President, YOUR party—

We really are long past this kind of counterproductive bickering. Considering the many threats against freedom that are stacking up these days the focus should be on claiming the USA back for its citizens, not seeking to play the blame game.

The only thing that really helps is to toss the whole lot of politicians out on their overly padded rears and replace them with representatives who have the good of ALL people in mind. After we overhaul the system so it can not be so easily corrupted.

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By BrilliantBill, December 20, 2011 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

I can think of nothing more appropriate than the 1969 movie “Easy Rider.” Here’s a piece of dialogue between Jack Nicholson & Dennis Hopper characters:

George Hanson: You know, this used to be a helluva good country. I can’t understand what’s gone wrong with it.

Billy: Man, everybody got chicken, that’s what happened. Hey, we can’t even get into like, a second-rate hotel, I mean, a second-rate motel, you dig? They think we’re gonna cut their throat or somethin’. They’re scared, man.

George Hanson: They’re not scared of you. They’re scared of what you represent to ‘em.

Billy: Hey, man. All we represent to them, man, is somebody who needs a haircut.

George Hanson: Oh, no. What you represent to them is freedom.

Billy: What the hell is wrong with freedom? That’s what it’s all about.

George Hanson: Oh, yeah, that’s right. That’s what’s it’s all about, all right. But talkin’ about it and bein’ it, that’s two different things. I mean, it’s real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. Of course, don’t ever tell anybody that they’re not free, ‘cause then they’re gonna get real busy killin’ and maimin’ to prove to you that they are. Oh, yeah, they’re gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it’s gonna scare ‘em.

Billy: Well, it don’t make ‘em runnin’ scared.

George Hanson: No, it makes ‘em dangerous.

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By Oceanna, December 20, 2011 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

Why has it been decided whether that the president is the sole denier or grantor of
Habeas Corpus for Americans?  It reeks of a prearrangement for martial law vis a
vis executive order.

Dennis Kucinich minimizes the gravity of the NDAA passage. The NDAA provisions
against American citizens certainly come in handy for what’s euphemistically
called social unrest and future disasters, whether anticipated or unanticipated.

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By Night-Gaunt, December 20, 2011 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

Just as the Romans when they had their Republic created an external empire of a war machine and invasions and occupations so has our own. For the Romans it was either end the empire and stay a republic or fully become one. We are at such a crossroads. The Romans became an empire inside and out. Do we want it too? Certain elements of our society do. For them that is the American, a Holy American Empire is what they want, what they have helped to orientate our country to an are very close to having the inner America to be transformed that way. We are running out of time an are just a financial crash away. The pump is primed again as it was in 2008. We have little time. The occupation movement is the key. Without it we would just head inexorably to a new fascist state. Now we have a chance to derail that train to hell.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, December 20, 2011 at 10:52 am Link to this comment

Congressman Dennis Kucinich

YOUR President, YOUR party did this. Your multiple attempts to provide them with political cover has instead made you lose your credibility.

David Cyr

Good News. The Rocky Anderson and Jill Stein campaigns are involved in discussions on working together on the same ticket.

Just do not expect to see any stories about that on Truthdig.

There are far too many Obama/Dem apologist articles in the way. Ever wonder who pays the bills around here? I do.

Despite the “progressive” blogs refusal to discuss it (with notable exceptions like firedoglake) the story is very much alive.

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By Cliff Carson, December 20, 2011 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

By prisnersdilema, December 20 at 6:48 am

“Each day brings more lies, and more subterfuge, more congressional, and senate posturing.  Yet it also brings more awareness, that this country no longer belongs to the people, and is no longer a free nation, but is run by criminals who have given themselves immunity for the crimes they continue to commit.”

Thank you Prisnersdilema for such an accurate assessment of the condition of our Government today.

In this article about the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), Kucinich, who has steadfastly argued for the good against the evil, once more brings before Congress their folly.  He did this before the Iraqi war, during the war, and on and on, but does not receive the atta boys he really deserves.

Many posters to Truthdig recognize what this Defense Act actually does.  While our Fifth Column Media keep the populace stirred up over “the danger of North Korea”, “the danger of Iran”, “the danger of Syria” or some other repeat of the lies that put us into the War that has supposedly just ended, comes this little Gem passed overwhelmingly by both Parties, a plan to take more freedoms from the people who have to fight and pay for the wars ginned up by the criminals in Congress.  And as you might expect not a peep from that Fifth Column Media about the danger to freedom that it manifests.

Kucinich and a precious few others still have a streak of morality left within.

Those who would sell your soul for profit are the ones that this new Law would have you fight and die for - or else.

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By willbt, December 20, 2011 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

My god! Where does this American nightmare STOP? Weren’t Bush, Cheney and The
Patriot Act enough to scare you straight??
This “National Defense Authorization Act” is outrageous, intolerable and beyond
the pale.
I blog on “My American Neighbours” :http://americanotstandingstill.com/

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By balkas, December 20, 2011 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

i note that denis [who’s parents or grandparents came from croatia—as i have] does not object to nor
rejects u.s warfare on basis of a DESIRABLE [never mind true or false or wrong or right] panhuman
principle.
such as that no country has the right to attack another land or region under any known circumstance

so, what a new military venture by a land or its leadership wld legitimately warrant a military counter
action by all of the world [and never solely by one country, anyway]?
we’ve seen that even use of wmd against civilians of hiroshima and nagasaki—and by that time of a
defeated country—- did not elicit that country’s or world’s military counter action against u.s.
obviously u.s, did not consider a-bombing the two cities as a casus belli [else wld have not committed
it] for world or japan.
in light of this, what an act by, say, china, iran, syria wld constitute a casus belli if even use of wmd
does not make a cause for war or justify a military reaction?
right now, to u.s and its supporters, an act by a single or a few individuals, not only justifies collective
punishment, but also an endless occupation, raids, sanctions, demonization against them,but always
couched as missions for democracy or war against terrorists or bad leaders?
and hedges [don’t know about hitchens] nader, almost all leftists, scheer, cockburne, raimondo,
finkelstein, chomsky do not even mention what an act justifies a military response and by whom.
i am hoping that OWS,at least,is thinking as i am. tnx

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By balkas, December 20, 2011 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

i can say once again: expect only worsenings for ‘alien’ people and peoples [voelker] and domestic
pop.
‘elites’ or 20% in america, with THEIR [not yours, dummy] america,being ruled by one party [THEIRS,of
the one or twenty percent or whatever] can feel secure that nothing wld change in u.s which they like
and support.
‘elite’ power or power of the 1% must be met with an equal or greater power in order to obtain one or
more changes.
for protesters in us to succeed to some or high degree they must get some plutocrats, media owners,
bankers, cia/fbi agents, generals, educators, clergy [of all three cults] on their side.
and, of course, some or most of the members of the 99%. at this time i still don’t know how many of
the 99% wld support protesters or a second econo-military-politico-educatuonal party.
and not only verbal support but support at the ballot box?
[btw, i think u can kiss goodby 99.0000% of the sacerdotal class. tnx bozhidar balkas, vancouver

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By rumblingspire, December 20, 2011 at 8:06 am Link to this comment
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Slap my face.  I feel like violent revolution.
make Love not War

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By Dr Bones, December 20, 2011 at 7:55 am Link to this comment
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Lessons not learned:

The attack of 911 and the illegal invasion of Iraq (costing trillions of dollars) happened as a result of a total failure in the intelligence agencies.  The same agencies that Obama now counts on to assassinate and indefinitely detain US citizens without trial. 

It seems Obama has become engulfed by the Bush bubble.

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By prisnersdilema, December 20, 2011 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

The Senate and Congress, and President Obama, have succeeded in doing what all
the Armies of the third Reich, the old USSR, and the British Empire could not,
destroyed this countries freedoms. In doing so they betrayed all those, who gave
their lives in the civil war, and every man or women that selflessly sacrificed
everything so that future Americans could live in freedom.

Freedom ended, not with a bombs, not with war, but with paranoia, greed, and
criminal conspiracy.  But most of all with lies. 

It should be crystal clear by now, that there is a direct line of lies from 911, to
Iraq, to Libya, Syria, and soon Iran.

Each day brings more lies, and more subterfuge, more congressional, and senate
posturing.  Yet it also brings more awareness, that this country no longer belongs
to the the people, and is no longer a free nation, but is run by criminals who have
given themselves immunity for the crimes they continue to commit.

In due time the machine guns, will be turned on the people here, this is the lesson
of history. When lies no longer become sufficient to enforce compliance,
repression escalates to outright murder.

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By Oceanna, December 20, 2011 at 7:31 am Link to this comment

Why is my previous comment not going through or being held?  Apropos I guess.

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By Oceanna, December 20, 2011 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

“Regardless of whether Bushbama signs the NDAA”

Sorry, but that’s a done deal.  Why the provisions and need for the indefinite
detention of Americans that can only be rescinded by the president?

That dissidence is considered a form of terrorism was confirmed by the federal
coordination against OWS. 

Basically, if someone doesn’t like what you’re saying or doing, that’s grounds
for a terrorism labeling since the term remains so loosely defined and applied. 
So if you’re “suspected” or designated as terroristic for whatever reasons, you
can be indefinitely detained unless there’s Godlike or presidential intervention. 

The chickens have come home to roost in respect to Americans being treated
like the citizens of other countries that the US has invaded—like the LRADs being
used at OWS protests, which had been used previously for military crowd
control in Iraq.  Now we have the looming prospect of being swept up into
seizures and detentions like Afghans and other nationalities who were the
victims of briberies, tribal conflicts playing out, mistaken identification, etc. 

Is something coming down so it’s been deemed that this excessive control and
force will be necessary?  There are reasons behind the NDAA legislation
directed against American citizens.  It stands to reason they’re for preparation.

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By Hammersmith, December 20, 2011 at 7:11 am Link to this comment
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is this not what abe lincoln did, and do we not all this of him in heroic, godlike terms?

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By David J. Cyr, December 20, 2011 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Dennis Kucinich:

“I want friends on both sides of the aisle to understand this; we [Republicans and Democrats] are giving the state more power over individuals with this bill. It’s the wrong direction.

Our children deserve a world without end, not war without end.”
____________________

For our children to possibly have that world they deserve, they will need to lead their parents away from both of the corporate (R) & (D) party’s right-wings… and toward the truly systemic change needed.

Elections have been serving no good purpose because the only popular vote “electables” have been the corporate party’s money manufactured Republicans and Democrats; both of which only turn to the right, in the wrong direction.

If Democrats were the Solution, we wouldn’t have the Problem.

Jill Stein for President:

http://www.jillstein.org

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By thecrow, December 20, 2011 at 6:33 am Link to this comment

Remember this?

“ARTICLE XXXIV

OBSTRUCTION OF INVESTIGATION INTO THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001

In his conduct while President of the United States, George W. Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath to faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution “to take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” has both personally and acting through his agents and subordinates, together with the Vice President, obstructed investigations into the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on September 11, 2001.”

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/little-big-man/

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2011/09/13/darkness-visible/

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By Big B, December 20, 2011 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

Welcome to the Fourth Reich!

And god help you if you try to look at the man behind the curtain.

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By ironboltbruce, December 20, 2011 at 5:29 am Link to this comment

Charge Congress with Seditious Conspiracy!

Regardless of whether Bushbama signs the NDAA, charge Congress with Seditious Conspiracy for passing it:

1. Sections 1031 and 1032 were renumbered to 1021 and 1022 in the final wording of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 (the “NDAA”).  Here is the final wording (PDF page 81 of 371):

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2011-12-12/pdf/CREC-2011-12-12-pt1-PgH8356-5.pdf

2. Don’t believe the Kleptocracy’s “everything’s fine” propaganda.  Instead, PLEASE read constitutional lawyer Glen Greenwald’s explanation of that final wording here:

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/three_myths_about_the_detention_bill/singleton/

3. Use NaSI SARs to charge Carl Levin, Howard “Buck” McKeon and your U.S. Representative and Senators who voted for NDAA (S.1867/H.R.1540) with “Seditious Conspiracy” under U.S. Code Title 18 Part I Chapter 115 Section 2384. Details here:

http://corporategreedchronicles.com/

DON’T BE AFRAID TO FIGHT CORPORATE FASCISM AND FIGHT IT ***NOW*** AMERICA!

DON’T LET YOUR FEAR COST YOUR CHILDREN THEIR FREEDOM AND THEIR FUTURE!

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By Dr Bones, December 20, 2011 at 3:42 am Link to this comment
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Bin Laden won…. America destroyed itself through corrupt corporatism and fascism.  Science and logic were replaced with dollars and lunatic fundamentalism. 

We thought the enemy would be the one without morals and ethics.  We thought they would be the ones torturing, illegally indefinitely detaining people without trial, illegally violating peoples’ right, assassination people by air attacks.

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By Outraged, December 20, 2011 at 2:27 am Link to this comment

Quote: I want friends on both sides of the
aisle to understand this;
we are giving the state
more power over individuals with this bill. It’s the
wrong direction.”

Absolutely. We need to turn the trajectory of our
heritage, our people and our progeny in another
direction. This is an opportunity to do that, and a
sentence, not only for us here today but for all who
come after us if we don’t.

What we do MATTERS.

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