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Posted on Sep 7, 2010
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Carly in charge?: Former HP CEO Carly Fiorina, pictured, could bring Barbara Boxer down in November.

By Bill Boyarsky

The nation’s problems—war and unemployment—are badly damaging the Democrats, even on the Pacific Coast, which President Barack Obama won easily in 2008. And Obama himself, reacting slowly and indecisively, is contributing to the challenges his party faces in November.

Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer of California and Patty Murray of Washington are in trouble. Only Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon appears safe. If Boxer and Murray lose, Republican chances of winning the Senate are greatly strengthened, given the trouble facing some other Democrats around the country. Add that to potential Democratic loss of the House, and the Republicans could take over with their pro-oil and help-the-rich agenda. 

Boxer’s plight is a perfect example of the Democrats’ problems. As the year began, she was favored to win. If she had held on to her lead, the Democratic Party could have turned its attention elsewhere. But her chances sunk with the economy. Today, with unemployment in California at 12.2 percent, almost three points above the national average, she is about even in the polls against her opponent, Carly Fiorina.

Boxer rose from the Marin County Board of Supervisors to the House and finally the Senate in 1992. Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett-Packard Co. from 1999 until she was ousted in 2005, is counting on the bad economy and hostility to Washington for a victory. This is how she puts it: “Barbara Boxer’s taxpayer-funded big-government bailouts have failed to make a positive difference for our economy.”

Not very inspiring, but the economy is so bad she may not have to say much more. And she’s getting help. American Crossroads, the group led by Karl Rove, the former adviser to President George Bush, has already put $1 million into a television ad erroneously claiming that Boxer voted to cut Medicare benefits by $500 billion, according to the Annenberg School of Public Policy’s Factcheck.org.

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The difficulties the Democrats are having in fashioning a rebuttal were apparent on a recent morning when Boxer sat at a conference table in a stuffy room in Los Angeles City Hall next to Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa. They were there to promote a job-creating initiative that could help Boxer.

It’s a great idea and a simple one. Los Angeles voters approved a sales tax increase in 2008 to complete a subway line, build other rail lines and improve highways. It was to take 30 years to finish the work. The mayor’s staff recently proposed borrowing money against sales tax receipts with the federal government guaranteeing the loans. With the local tax dollars repaying the loans, the plan wouldn’t require federal funds. And the work would be done in 10 years rather than 30, and create 166,000 construction jobs. Work could start quickly. The plan is now under consideration by Congress.

“Everything we do has to be job-focused,” said Boxer.

This proposal should be a plus for her. But as I sat in the back of the room and listened, I could see why she is in trouble. Although the idea is simple, the transportation bureaucrats and financial industry people (who would sell the bonds for the borrowing) made it complicated. So did Boxer, who lost me in a tangled description of congressional obstacles, as did the others.

I didn’t understand why there would be any obstacles. You’d think the administration would be rushing this through. Where was a cheerleader representing the president at the event? It’s as if the White House doesn’t see the coming disaster.

The administration is coming in with too little, too late. Rather than fighting for a big stimulus package last year, the Obama team waited for its limited steps to work. Now, on Labor Day, the president proposed spending $50 billion in the near future to create jobs rebuilding roads, railways and airport runways. But voters understand this will not help end unemployment quickly.

Without immediate solutions, Boxer is attacking Fiorina and hoping that the novice politician will foul up before Election Day.

“Barbara Boxer, people know her,” said Kam Kuwata, who is helping run a Democratic party operation, CEO Watch, which hammers away at Fiorina and Meg Whitman, the billionaire former eBay CEO who is running for governor against Democratic Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown.

“They don’t know who Carly Fiorina is, what her record is. They may know she was a corporate executive. They may know she was with Hewlett-Packard. What they don’t know is that the stock price fell about 50 percent under her rule. What they don’t know was she laid off 30,000 workers. What they don’t know was she was fired for incompetence. And she got a golden parachute.”

Unable to cut down unemployment, this is how the Democrats are trying to survive by scraping out victories attack-by-attack, hoping for a break. In Nevada, for example, where the inarticulate and unpopular Senate Democratic leader, Harry Reid, may win because he is running against an eccentric tea-bagger, Sharron Angle. In other races, Democrats similarly are counting on extremists to be vulnerable to attacks or to shoot themselves in the foot, which is a real possibility since they are all gun nuts. 

We’ve come a long way since 2008 and Obama’s speeches about hope. I was never fond of those speeches. They seemed to promise more than anyone could deliver.

But on occasion, given the right circumstances, those speeches could be inspiring. You can’t say that about this current Democratic campaign and its likely outcome.


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By Hollywood Russ, September 23, 2010 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

I think the cooky tea baggers will help us hold onto Congress this cycle and the
White House as well in 2012. If Boxer is in trouble, it’s because she got lazy and
decided she was a shoe-in as in elections past. She still has time to just get out
there and shake hands, do t.v. interviews, whatever. Now that the GOP put that
insane witch in the battle in DE, it looks like the Democrats will hold onto the
Senate after all. The House is the same. We may lose some seats, but our
majorities will hold. Obama in 2012 will get re-elected, and most importantly,
stick around to replace Scalia and Thomas and Kennedy. Re-alignment of SCOTUS,
and the entire Federal judiciary should be priority #1 for the Dems. Clinton did a
lousy job in the area, too busy fighting off bogus GOP attacks like Whitewater and
Lewinski-gate. I thought I’d seen the nadir of American politics when Clinton was
impeached in the House. Then comes McCain and Palin in 2008. Didn’t he know he
was creating a monster? Yikes!

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By Inherit The Wind, September 17, 2010 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:
You are in no position to set yourself up as any kind of moral judge. You play fast and loose with the truth, with facts, and with what other people say.

“Hate” is, of itself, not a bad thing. It’s what you hate and why that matters.

“When the Bishop was asked his opinion and stand on ‘sin’, he replied that he was against it.”

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By Anarcissie, September 17, 2010 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

GRYM—I don’t have any particular feeling about Republicans as such.  Saying that someone is a ‘Republican’ doesn’t mean very much any more.  It’s not like the old days of Eisenhower, Taft, Dirksen and so forth, when the Republicans were the respectable people.

The elderly parents of one of my friends are, or used to be, Republicans, and when they talk about politics now they look as if someone had hit them on the head with a baseball bat.  I think they voted for Mr. O, too.  Sad.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 17, 2010 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie,

You’re right.  I did include you as a hater.  It’s not, however, my basic impression of you.

I should have chosen my words more carefully.  Would disdain be a better way to describe your feelings toward, say, republicans?  Clearly your view of “those people” is not a positive one.

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I sincerely can think of only one democrat I genuinely dislike.  And in no way do I hate that individual.

This Web space is full of hate on every page.  Not, by the way, unlike RedState.

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By PatrickHenry, September 17, 2010 at 3:06 am Link to this comment

This time with music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qcHohp4apI&feature=related

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By Anarcissie, September 16, 2010 at 9:36 pm Link to this comment

GRYM—you seemed to think I hated somebody.  You said, ‘That, my friend, as a massive rationalization on your part so that you may feel better about your hate of others.’  I didn’t want to leave you in error on the matter.  Now, if I did hate somebody, I wouldn’t rationalize it; I’d enjoy it in its pure form.  I don’t mix my liquor.  But as it happens I am old and decrepit and just don’t have the energy any more.  I’d rather think about the finer things, like sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

But like I say, hate will keep you warm on a cold night, so if you must, take what you need and leave the rest.  We don’t want to run out or anything.

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By Shenonymous, September 16, 2010 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

As I live and breathe…” And if that had been Rush Limbaugh, of
whom I am no fan, you would simply let it go as well and Limbaugh
would find his way into your good graces?”
I won’t hold my breath.

But Rush would have at least a decade’s worth of impassioned hatefilled
backtracking to do.  Let’s see that is 365 x 10 + 2 = 3652 times he
would have to recant statements, and yeah, he could get into my good
graces.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 16, 2010 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie,


I don’t recall you displaying the types of hate and disdain we too often see from so many others here.  I’m unclear as to why you commented as you did.

I honestly can’t think of a soul whom I hate.  And no one here on TruthDig has ever seen me write a single nasty personal attack on or about democrats.  Never once.  My differences with republicans have to do with policy.  Same with democrats.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 16, 2010 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

Shenon,

I’m not a republican.  I’m not here to defend republicans.  I am addressing the rampant bigotry and overall mean-spirited attitudes on RedState and TruthDig and the role you and many others play (all while complaining about “those others”).

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So an impassioned Howard Dean told an impassioned crowed that he hates republicans and all they stand for but later, upon reflection over what he said, backed off those statements with Larry King.  All is forgiven.

And if that had been Rush Limbaugh, of whom I am no fan, you would simply let it go as well and Limbaugh would find his way into your good graces.

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By Leefeller, September 16, 2010 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

I do not hate anyone either, though I do hate some things that happen in life, like stepping on dog poop bare footed, this occurrence may bring up the hate meter a few knotches, almost to the Republican level.  It seems a very good reason to wear shoes or hip boots depending on whether the neighbors dog or a Republican stopped by your lawn!

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By Shenonymous, September 16, 2010 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

Perhaps you have attention deficit and missed this part of my
last post.  This is what Russert said and what Dean said in response. 
That was five years ago by the way, and he is not quoted as saying
anything similar since. 

“RUSSERT:  Do you really hate Republicans?  Do you consider ?them evil??
DEAN:  I don’t—well, actually that was a little out of context.  But I ?
don’t hate Republicans as individuals.  But I hate what the Republicans ?
are doing to this country.”

Yeah, I guess I would hate it if they took hold of the Congress and did
what they threaten to do.  Actually I think your Republican icons are
hateful people by all that they say.

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By Anarcissie, September 16, 2010 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment

GRYM—I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t hate anybody at the moment.  It’s too much work!  First you have to find a worthy hate-object, and then you have to put in a lot of time and energy going ‘Grr, grr,’ and imagining your hate-object being eaten poisonous worms, or something.  Of course, ‘YMMV’ as they say.  Who do you hate?

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By Go Right Young Man, September 16, 2010 at 6:01 pm Link to this comment

Shenon, I took your passion for politics and your statement on how you like Dr. Dean a so much, how you believe he “makes the most sense of all of them”, to be passionate support for him.

Even now you have not objected to his hate of all republicans.

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By Shenonymous, September 16, 2010 at 5:41 pm Link to this comment

Again and again GRYM you try to put words into the mouths of
others in order to set them up so you can take a whack at them. 
I have scolded you on other forums for this detestable habit.  There
is something sinister in your approach.  First of all precisely what I
said was, “I like Dr. Dean a lot.  Always did.  He ?makes the most
sense of all of them.”  That does not indicate a passion nor a
passionate support of Howard Dean. 

Again you have no idea of the nuance of words and have no concept of
what emotions are at work. 

That he criticizes Republicans up the wazoo, I have heard that and I
agree with most of what I’ve heard him say about Republicans.  Do not
distort that to mean anything else!

When Dean says as reported by about 8 google sites, “They are the
party of no. They haven’t had a single constructive—name one—
anybody who’s watching this show, name one single constructive
political initiative that the Republicans have put forward.  And when,
finally, somebody did put forward one, Paul Ryan, he was lionized for
three days and then abandoned by the Republicans because he wanted
to privatize Social Security and Medicare. Name one thing that you
could hope for from the Republicans if they should win this. That is not
a winning strategy,” then I agree with him. 
But to clear the record…

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By Shenonymous, September 16, 2010 at 5:39 pm Link to this comment

Interviewed by the late Tim Russert who grilled Howard Dean May
22. 2005, excerpt:
RUSSERT: Some of the things you have said about the
Republicans.  Here’s Howard Dean in January:  “I hate the
Republicans and everything they stand for…”
Howard Dean in February:  “This is a struggle between good and evil
and we’re the good?”  Do you really hate Republicans?  Do you consider
them evil?
DEAN:  I don’t—well, actually that was a little out of context.  But I
don’t hate Republicans as individuals.  But I hate what the Republicans
are doing to this country.  I really do.  I hate deficits, as you know. 
When I was governor, I really was very tough on fiscal responsibility. 
Deficits in the long run aren’t good for the country, and they do lower
our standard of living.  Every American family knows that you have to
pay your bills.  I hate the dishonesty, you know, the idea that you’d put
a program through Congress without telling people what it costs, I
think that’s wrong.  Some of the things that the president said on our
way into Iraq, they just weren’t true, and I don’t think that’s right…
RUSSERT:  Such as?
DEAN:  Such as the weapons of mass destruction, which we have all
known about…
RUSSERT: …you said there were weapons of mass destruction.
DEAN:  I said I wasn’t sure, but I said I thought there probably were.
But the thing that really bothered me the most, which the 9-11
Commission said also wasn’t true, is the insinuation that the president
continues to make to this day that Osama bin Laden had something to
do with supporting terrorists that attacked the United States.  That is
false. The 9-11 Commission, chaired by a Republican, said it was false. 
Is it wrong to send people to war without telling them the truth.  And
the truth was Osama bin Laden was a very bad person who was doing
terrible things, but that Iraq was never a threat to the United States. 
That was the truth.  It was underlined by the 9-11 Commission, headed,
again, by a Republican, a well-respected group of people.  I don’t think
you send American men and women to war, first of all without properly
equipping them, and secondly without telling the truth to their parents
about why it is we’re asking them to make that sacrifice.  So those are
the kinds of things that I think are very bad about the Republicans…
there’s some smaller things that are equally important.  There was a
study—the president has just put out rules for how much mercury is
allowed in the air ...as a physician I know that mercury is a neurotoxic
chemical which now has prevented people from eating most of the fish
they catch because so much of it is going into the water.  The president
ignored—excuse me, the—his people ignored a report that said that
mercury was much more toxic than they suspected and that the rules
that the president was putting out were going to allow more mercury
into the air and make things worse. 

That report just got taken off the table and they went ahead and did it
anyway because they have an agenda that’s different than protecting
the environment.

I don’t like that kind of stuff.  If the president wants to do that, he
should say to the American people “Look, it’s true that mercury’s a bad
thing and this may allow a little bit more, but it may allow for more
jobs.”  I don’t know what his reason for changing his position on
mercury or pollution is. Why not be truthful with the American people
about why it is and what the trade-offs really are?

If you wanted to send troops into Iraq—you know, I supported his
father when his father sent troops to Iraq… Kuwait is an ally of the
United States.  Saddam Hussein has invaded it.  He’s torturing people. 
We have an obligation as the last superpower to fix this. Instead the
president said, “Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States,” and
that was just flat-out false.  And I don’t think that’s the way you run a
government.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 16, 2010 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

Yes, ITW, you hate many.  You openly, un-apologetically and, it seems, vehemently hate certain types of people.

Yet if you took the time to Listen you would know that I do not hate Shenon in the least.  I have a certain respect for her.  But I am dead set against your shared hate of people who believe in different things.

I had a respect for you too until you became dishonest.

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By PatrickHenry, September 16, 2010 at 3:39 pm Link to this comment

Reminds me of one rocking song by Offspring.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Cool-To-Hate-lyrics-Offspring/56179ECCCFCBC08E4825689E000BFAB5

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By Inherit The Wind, September 16, 2010 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

Three words:  I hate you.

I openly and sincerely hate you.  I hate your narrative, your solutions, and every way in which you conduct yourself.  All you do is bring harm to others for your own ideology and gains.  - I’m not a hate-filled bigot,  mind you.  I simply hate all who look to believe as you do.

I hope you appreciate my being so frank.  It should aid us both if you to understand my starting point while discussing current events.

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Well, I, for one, certainly do!  This is far and away the most honest thing you have ever posted on Truthdig.  I never thought I’d see this day.

Now continue the honesty.  You hate ALL liberals and anyone who is left of the center-right wing of your beloved Republican Party.  You hate almost all Democrats, with the exception of a few DINOs, and if one of THEM became President, you’d then hate them too.

As for me, I don’t hate all Republicans, but as time goes on there are fewer and fewer for me not to hate. For example, I don’t hate John Warner, or Meghan McCain (I admire her), or Bob Dole, or even Bush 41.

But I have no problem admitting I hate DeMint, McConnell, Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter-geist and now this O’Donnell loony.

But I don’t hate you, GRYM.  I don’t know you.  I just hate most of what you stand for.  And I hate EVERYTHING the “Die Hard” Wannabe stands for.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 16, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie, - “There is a considerable difference between hating a race and hating proponents of an ideology.”

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ABSOLUTELY NOT!  That, my friend, as a massive rationalization on your part so that you may feel better about your hate of others.  Hate is hate.  It is destructive and blinds the mind.

Again.  Everything you write about comes down to choosing sides.  You forgive one over another depending on who you like and who you happen to dislike or disagree with. It’s wrong.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 16, 2010 at 9:09 am Link to this comment

Shenon, - “You are extrapolating my words to suit your partisan purposes which I do not appreciate.  If you don’t hate me or any body else you ought not to voice it.  It is a kind of despicable comparison, a usual strategy used
by Republicans.”

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Actually I am not extrapolating your words to suit any meaning.  Please reread what I’ve written.  But try to remember I am not your adversary.

You passionately support Howard Dean.  An individual who openly, unrepentantly, seems to passionately “hate all republicans”.  Yet you still go on about mean people who don’t care about others.  You honestly do not see the glaring dichotomy in this?

I greatly support Sean Hannity just as you do Howard Dean.  Hannity, as far as I am aware of never having said it, appears to hold much dislike, maybe even hate, for democrats.  How do you feel about me now?  Does my support for such a political bigot make it easier or more difficult for you work with me?

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By Anarcissie, September 16, 2010 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

GRYM—There is a considerable difference between hating a race and hating proponents of an ideology.  The latter have done something to earn your hatred, that is, espouse some vicious, evil ideology or other.  People can’t help being members of a race because it is something other people push on them.

I am okay with hate.  It’s sort of like love: it’ll keep you warm on a cold winter night, give you a reason to live.  However, it is best to pick worthy hate-objects.  Howard Dean might have been worthy of hate at one time, but when he came out against the ‘mosque’ I lost all respect for him.  One thing I demand of liberal politicians is fealty to the Constitution.  He is now off my love/hate radar.

I suppose, though, that there may be an anti-Cupid who goes around shooting people with hate arrows that cause them to fall in hate with improbable and unworthy targets.

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By Shenonymous, September 16, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

Governor Dean notwithstanding, it is not the case that I hate All
Republicans.  I have Republicans and Libertarians in my family who
I love dearly.  We can separate our political perspectives from our
personal virtues.  We have never expressed hatred for each other
because of our political positions.  I do have a hard time however,
seeing others as acceptable human beings when they have not
demonstrated to me their care about people, the general public but
only show care about the wealthy class and corporate masters.

You are extrapolating my words to suit your partisan purposes which I
do not appreciate.  If you don’t hate me or any body else you ought not
to voice it.  It is a kind of despicable comparison, a usual strategy used
by Republicans. 

I have been asking for moderate rational Republicans for a very long
time now ever since the fanatics have taken over the Party. And now I
see they haven’t a rat’s ass chance in a rat trap with Velveeta cheese
(my father’s favorite rat bait) created by the insanity of the Teabaggers
who lost nominations for Congressional seats which means only a more
fossil-brained program action in legislation.  The rational moderate
Republican who in the past kept Democrats tendency to spend
excessively on social programs honest is an endangered species.  Now I
can foresee that only a frozen Congress is promised.  Democrats will
revive and win back lost seats in the 2012 election, I am confident,
when the people see how obstructionist and damaging to their beloved
social programs recalcitrant Republicans are. 

I will stop my assault on Republicanism when you show there is any
caring for the general public by the Republicans in control.  You have
inherited that responsibility by defending Republican conservative
perspectives.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 16, 2010 at 8:21 am Link to this comment

She,

I actually don’t hate you at all.  You may now understand my problem with Howard, I Hate All Republicans, Dean.  An individual you hold in such high regard but fail to see his unrepentant nastiness and overt bigotry. 

I Hate All Republicans is no different than saying I hate all black people and/or liberals.

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My hope is that you yourself one day dispel this belief that you support “good(D)” people against “bad(R).  There is nothing “enlightened” or kind in such thinking.  All you accomplish is spreading more hate, division, and violence. - Please stop.

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By Shenonymous, September 15, 2010 at 11:56 pm Link to this comment

I am truly sorry GRYM you hate me.  It is not my wish that anybody
hate me.  Hate is a vile emotion and no one is really worth that
expense, not even me.  I hope it does not affect your life in the way
hate really does.  As civilized human beings we ought to be able to
disagree without hatred rearing its ugliness.

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By Leefeller, September 15, 2010 at 7:09 pm Link to this comment

You know Bush pissed me off for many reasons, but the one I really hone in on is his service record!  So as the Vietnam evader joined the National Guard to get out of going to Viet Nam, because back then the National Guard was I believe supposed to be covering the home front and did not go overseas! (I tried to sign up with the National Gurad, but I did not know it at the time,  it was filled up with ass holes)!

So the brightest bulb in the room Bush, becomes president and sends the National Guard overseas to finish his personal daddy’s war, under lies and BS,.... I love the perfect crisp hypocrisy!

Yep…. Bush was so great especially for high marks in stupidity not this sort of makes sense when hears the constant tripe from GRYM, who has evaded every question ever asked of him by any posters on Truth Dig!  Quite the evader GRYM is seemingly so very synonymous with his favorite president!

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By Go Right Young Man, September 15, 2010 at 6:52 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, - “Yup, how did you guess?  I like Dr. Dean a lot.  Always did.”

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I listen. 

Three words:  I hate you. 

I openly and sincerely hate you.  I hate your narrative, your solutions, and every way in which you conduct yourself.  All you do is bring harm to others for your own ideology and gains.  - I’m not a hate-filled bigot,  mind you.  I simply hate all who look to believe as you do.

I hope you appreciate my being so frank.  It should aid us both if you to understand my starting point while discussing current events.

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Bush II:  I get it.  You hate Bush.  You disagree with his solutions and politics.  He deserves all criticisms and attacks put upon him and all who may see things his way.  You are always clear in that regard.

Obama: I get it.  You like Obama. If one is critical or mean toward President Obama he or she would plainly be guilty of nastiness and racism.  I understand.

Good to see you being so open and fair all the while, in all good conscience, my hatred of you and all like you remains firm and, I feel, perfectly justified.

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By Shenonymous, September 15, 2010 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

Yup, how did you guess?  I like Dr. Dean a lot.  Always did.  He
makes the most sense of all of them.  His wild yelp is what put
him in my sites.  I thought that was a jerkoff kind of discredit the
Democratic Party let happen to him and the media just lapped it up. 
As if a win did not deserve more than a yelp, maybe a war whoop!

Now far as GWBII goes.  He deserved all the crap he got.  He kissed
the feet of the armaments corporations and the wealthy class buddies
of which he was part of the cabal. 

I am not the only one who lobs criticisms at the poor sap.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 15, 2010 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, - “Argue against that if you wish but you arguing with hot air.”

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It’s interesting that you should say that.  You may have noticed that I used your exact same political argument.  You call it “hot air” and an straw-man argument.

Basically you’re arguing again that the previous republican president deserved to be treated poorly while the current democratic president is undeserving of criticisms.  Bush, of course being a republican, is simply a bad human being.  Obama a good human being.

Might you be a Howard Dean fan?

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By john crandell, September 15, 2010 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

Doubts regarding the course of affairs in Afghanistan are rising by the hour.
Doyle McManus writing in the L.A. Times over this past weekend described
questions and skepticism among both Dems and Repugs breaking out all over
the Council on Foreign Relations.

But there is no question as to who wins out when it all bangs with a wimper
two years hence.

American presidents must save face, no matter the degree of the calamity
they’ve fostered. One would think that Biden has (had) enough integrity and
grit to go off the reservation and move himself and his staff up to Capital Hill.
But no, he’s too fed into the AIPAC/NEOCON narcotic that has permeated D.C.
for so long now.

After 9-11 we shuddered at imagining that fourth airliner crashing into the
Capital. Now, there’d be a degree of cheering in the streets (especially so if it
were to crash into AIPAC headquarters).

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By Leefeller, September 15, 2010 at 9:53 am Link to this comment

Okay, I am going to vote Democrat just because I do not want to be like everyone else here!

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By Shenonymous, September 15, 2010 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

And conspiracy theorist want blood all over themselves.  The
Republican effort to pollute minds of real Democrats will not
work.

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By ofersince72, September 15, 2010 at 9:18 am Link to this comment

Pelosi has blood all over her
Reid has blood all over him, as well as
McConnel, Boehner
Obama , Biden

and the rest of our congress

they are all war criminals….......
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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By ofersince72, September 15, 2010 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

Bush II , like his father , was a lieing ,

murdering criminal that should be in jail…...
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
a criminal, a criminal, a criminal, a criminal a criminal

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By Shenonymous, September 15, 2010 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

It is strawman logic you are offering GRYM.  Bush had a history of
deep partisan favortism politics, Obama has been getting legislation
passed unperfect as it is, in the 18 months he’s been in office much
to the abject hatred of the Republicans who have used his race as a
wedge for their base constituency.  Argue against that if you wish but
you arguing with hot air.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 15, 2010 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

I listen and watch daily a verbatim script they all mouth and the insanity that comes from Democrats over the absolute pathetic and bitter barrage against George Bush and the lies they repeat over and over about Republicans and their bigoted and hard hearted capitalist agenda until it becomes cacophonically numbing and if you could stop that psychopathology I would indulge you, Shenonymous.

You see the years of putrid and unhinged accusations hurled at the last Republican president, BY FAR MORE nasty than anything directed toward the current president, as deserved.  Not so for the current president.  You believe the current nastiness is completely undeserved.

You yourself say that all politics is not equal.  You see one group as made up of lessor individuals.  It’s commonly referred to as “bigotry”.

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By ofersince72, September 15, 2010 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

You mean there really is boogyman in a cave?

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By Leefeller, September 15, 2010 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

One should be suspicious of this John Crandel guy, because if the British really felt this way about the mess in Afghanistan, they would have worded it quite differently and said; .....“A sticky wicket… that!”

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By ofersince72, September 15, 2010 at 6:27 am Link to this comment

Have Pelosi step down and replace her with
Pete Stark before November….....

No one in this country has the least little respect for
Pelosi, and Stark is a leader….......

Same with the Senate…..Harry Reid has proven his
ineffectivness,  replace him befor November.
Little public support is out there for Harry Reid.

Have the new leaders march to the White House and
tell Obama how the cow ate the cabbage with this new
leadership….
Dems ain’t got the balls to do this.

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By Shenonymous, September 15, 2010 at 5:55 am Link to this comment

Checking out the Toronto Sun, another Canadian news instrument,
by the way, John Crandall did not give the webaddress for the article
“Bombshell from London,” which I will do here, from Information
Clearing House.info, a news aggregator.  Read the article at
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article26362.htm.
And all that is provided as evidence is someone saying he/she has
been a member of IISS for 20 years.  Is that Margolis himself? 
Or who?  Oh boy.  No Sources News (NSN).  Love it!  Eric S. Margolis
was fired by the Toronto Sun in July this year.  Now if he was a valued
reporter for 27 years, why would the newspaper chain ax him in their
Summer Clean Sweep?  Hmmm.  I think that is a fair question. 
Margolis now writes from his own website.  He appears on Huffington
Post and the Lew Rockwell.com. 

There is nothing wrong with the truth, if it is indeed the truth and
anyone can check it out to see if it is the truth.  Be careful not to simply
accept as truth what you want to believe is the truth.  Seems like
believing what one wants to believe is alive and well (it’s called
BWYWTB).

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By john crandell, September 15, 2010 at 5:09 am Link to this comment

This just in: Bombshell from London

By Eric S. Margolis

September 14, 2010 “Toronto Sun”—THE London-based International
Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS), is the world’s leading think tank for military
affairs. It represents the top echelon of defence experts, retired officers and
senior military men, spanning the globe from the United States and Britain to
China, Russia and India.

I’ve been an IISS member for over 20 years. IISS’s reports are always
authoritative but usually cautious and diplomatic, sometimes dull. However,
two weeks ago the IISS issued an explosive report on Afghanistan that is
shaking Washington and its Nato allies.

The report, presided over by the former deputy director of Britain’s foreign
intelligence agency, MI-6, says the threat from al-Qaeda and Taliban has been
“exaggerated” by the western powers. The US-led mission in Afghanistan has
“ballooned” out of all proportion from its original aim of disrupting and
defeating al-Qaeda. The US-led war in Afghanistan, says IISS, using
uncharacteristically blunt language, is “a long-drawn-out disaster”.

Just recently, CIA chief Leon Panetta admitted there were no more than 50
members of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Yet US President Barack Obama has
tripled the number of US soldiers there to 120,000 to fight Al Qaeda.

The IISS report goes on to acknowledge the presence of western troops in
Afghanistan is actually fuelling national resistance. I saw the same phenomena
during the 1980’s Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

Interestingly, the portion of the report overseen by the former MI-6 Secret
Intelligence Service deputy chief, Nigel Inskster, finds little Al Qaeda threat
elsewhere, notably in Somalia and Yemen. Yet Washington is beefing up its
attacks on both turbulent nations.

Abandoning its usual discretion, IISS said it was issuing these warnings
because the deepening war in Afghanistan was threatening the west’s security
interests by distracting its leaders from the world financial crisis and Iran, and
burning through scarce funds needed elsewhere.

The IISS’s findings are a direct challenge to Obama, Britain’s new prime
minister, David Cameron, and other US allies with troops in Afghanistan. It will
certainly convince sceptics that the real reason for occupation of Afghanistan
has to do with oil, excluding China from the region, and keeping watch on
nuclear-armed Pakistan.

Southern Afghanistan – Taliban country – should be vacated by Western forces
and left alone. Taliban would be allowed to govern its own half of the nation
until some sort of loose, decentralised federal system can be implemented.
This was, in fact, pretty much the way Afghanistan operated before the 1979
Soviet invasion.

Meanwhile, the war in Afghanistan is turning against the increasingly wobbly
western occupation forces. The US-installed Afghan leader, Hamid Karzai,
openly prepares for direct peace talks with Taliban and its allies – in spite of
intense opposition from the US, Britain and Canada.

Pro-government Afghan forces are increasingly demoralised. Only the Tajik
and Uzbek militias, and Afghan Communist Party, both supported by India,
Russia and Iran, want to keep fighting the Pashtun Taliban.

Taliban leader Mullah Omar last week proclaimed the western occupiers were
rapidly losing the war. He may well be correct. Even the much-ballyhooed US
offensive at Marjah, designed to smash Taliban resistance, was an
embarrassing fiasco.

Europeans are fed up with the Afghan war. Polls report 60% of Americans think
the war not worth fighting.  What we call “terrorism” is largely caused by the
western invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, she testified.

The truth about Iraq and Afghanistan is finally emerging.

Afghanistan may again prove to be “the graveyard of empires”.

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By Leefeller, September 15, 2010 at 4:46 am Link to this comment

Shes comments seem to emulate my own.  Shesters statment regarding the Republicans below;

“Show me one program they have proposed that would
benefit the ordinary American.”

Besides crickets?

How about the trickle down program which works very similar to the Humane Society, except it is for the ordinary American?

Now I hear the Republicans are working hard to get rid of those Pinko socialism programs, like Social Security and Medicare!

What was the flap about a Republican running for office in Nevada, where the GOP wanted him to cause riots?

If Republican are not clones, they must be real outer-spacey aliens from one of the Great Holes.

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By Leefeller, September 15, 2010 at 4:25 am Link to this comment

Me thinks Obama has played the indulging card to often, it seems to me Obama began by indulging the last eight years of Bush while attempting to indulge the Republicans as he was trying to prove his citizenship?

Indulging the party of no seems a bit like indulging the loony bin!

Big news seems to be a Tea Bagger won the Republican primary in Delaware, bet there was some heavy indulging going on there!

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By Shenonymous, September 14, 2010 at 11:54 pm Link to this comment

I listen and watch daily a verbatim script they all mouth and the
insanity that comes from Republicans over the absolute pathetic
and bitter barrage against Barack Obama and the lies they repeat
over and over about Democrats and their socialist agenda until it
becomes cacophonically numbing and if you could stop that
psychopathology I would indulge you GRYM.  It is the Republicans
who are ripping the holy hell out of this country. Not well liked
anymore by his Republican colleagues, Jim Greer apologized when
he recognized that so many within the GOP have racist views and he
apologized to the president for his opposition to Obama’s address to
school children last year and his efforts to placate the extremists who
dominate the Republican Party today.  This was headlined in several
online news services today. So I am not imagining the racism that exists
in the GOP. 

If you can show racism in the Democratic Party I’d like to see it, names
dates and places.  Yes, the point is to make peace, but when
Democrats attempt to make peace, the Republican neuroses to be the
political power so they can wield their way as thralls to the corporate
world causes them to produce flapdoodles like Sarah Palin, Glen Beck,
Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity without so much as a flicker out of
the Grand Old Party leadership but who instead sit on the sidelines
cheering them on, and you talk of integrity?  Please define integrity. 
There cannot be any peace. 

They never miss a tap to criticize everything Obama does.  I mean like
everything.  Their repetitive incantation has crossed the border into
insaneland.  Show me one program they have proposed that would
benefit the ordinary American.  The wealthy have had their tax cuts for
two Bush administrations and they have not sunk one cent into America. 
They have only put it into their own personal coffers.  Whatever pathetic
legislation they have in mind would take decades to seep into public
relief.  Holding onto their boonmoney gift of the Bush years, once the
market evens out they will put every dollar back into the stock market
to play the market game again and the American public can go to hell. 
Small business would benefit with Obama’s program, but the
Republicans still advertise they would lose and have to pay enormous
taxes. That is an outright lie.  Their advertisements that are played a
dozen times a day that have what appears to be ordinary citizens
whining repeatedly that Americans cannot taxes to go up is an outright
lie.  The only ones whose taxes will go up are the wealthy.  They are
sinking billions into keeping their tax cuts, which is ironic. 

Well Go Right Young Man, I will say you are at least honest in your
partisanship quite unlike the snaky Republican shills on the TD forums
who constantly keep trying to grind away at Democrats’ resolve and the
worse thing is their gnawing away at the act of voting saying it would
be far better to give the Democrats the middle finger.

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By ofersince72, September 14, 2010 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

Go_____________Right_________________Young_______Man

I have much respect for you.  I will leave it at that.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 14, 2010 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

If you will indulge me?

The point is to make peace and get things done.  Correct?  For the good of all.

If your intentions are to suggest that ONLY on the other side will we find a certain virulent racism, then it is you who is, by its very definition, one of the bigots left standing.

I know you believe in what you’ve written.

Will help me to locate a single sociology study which comes close to suggesting that the “far right” are any more or less racist or bigoted than any other large grouping of human beings?  You see the clear problem some may have in agreeing with you on this?  The fact is you will not find such a result in any study.  Bigotry and racism, tribalism if you will, simply does not work that way.

Think about that and apply it with equal vigor in Washington and politics.  Otherwise you’re left with an wildly incorrect perception of global events.

I don’t know where you came about your intense disdain for opposing points of view.  When I truly listen to what you write I see political bigotry getting in our way.

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By Shenonymous, September 14, 2010 at 3:48 pm Link to this comment

Actually GRYM I do believe there is a GOP incentive to create an
atmosphere of racism and they are fanning the flames inciting the
TeaBaggers and other bigots to show up at rallies with disgusting
racist placards.  You never hear any Republican, not one, renounce
the racism that has been part of vehement ultra-right-wing
conservative political rhetoric in the last six or so months.

Way…ell yes, humans are human, seems not too big an insight though,
in spite of their politics.  But some humans act inhuman or want to
treat ordinary middle class and poor Americans as inhuman.  Like
Republicans of the ultra-right stripe. 

What always gets me is when Republicans speak and they say “the
American people” want this or “the American people” want that, and
that they “want to take back our country,” when they mean
their country.  And when in fact it is their masters in the
corporate world that want “this” and want “that” and their saliva glands
work overtime using obstructionism to prevent any social legislation
that would help middle America one bit.  If they really went to the
people the people would tear their limbs of.  And no, I have no
statistics to back that personal opinion up. 

But with a new synthesis of socialism and capitalism a whole new era
can be swept in for the American people to take over the Americans’
country.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 14, 2010 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72,

You appear offended by something I wrote of someone else.  Why? 

While you and I have our differences I was not including you in the same vain.

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By Leefeller, September 14, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie I find your synopsis of left, right much more pleasant then the military use of words, left/right!  Actually a nice accounting Anarcissie!

It seems to me, the rut stuckers always need to blame someone for those damn ruts, so differences of divisiveness provide the necessary back drop of us and them, black and white or the Yin and Yang so necessary to never resolve anything.

If indeed resolve is possible, wouldn’t it require Yang and Yang or Yin and Yin as in us and us without the them and them?  Guess my point seems to be,.... hope may really only be a wish!

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By ofersince72, September 14, 2010 at 6:56 am Link to this comment

You sound rediculous still

Go______________WRONG______________Young________Man_______

I at least thought you to be above Limbaugh rhetoric…

You like to argue just for the sake of an arguement,

there is know way someone of your education believes

what comes out of you…......

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By Go Right Young Man, September 14, 2010 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

Leftists like yourself, at their heart, truly do believe that a small percentage of humans have a vastly superior understanding of everything compared to ordinary people. The point of leftism as practiced in this vain is to empower these superior individuals to impose their superior understanding upon society by the force of the state. Leftists must be viewed by themselves and others as superior human beings if they are to have a claim to power and status.

In other words; bigotry is not only rampant on the Left, it is ingrained by repetition.

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By Anarcissie, September 14, 2010 at 6:24 am Link to this comment

GRYM—You can use language as you please, but historically the meaning of the term left in politics has very little to do with what you wrote.  Dictionaries and encyclopedias will probably agree with me.  The primary concerns of the political Left have been to advance peace, freedom and equality.  People give these ideals lip service, but they’re actual quite ambivalent about them, and the fortunes of the Left vary accordingly.  Right now, war, inequality and oppression are very popular, so the Left (as I use the term) is in eclipse: people already have more peace, freedom and equality than they want, so someone selling these items is not going to do much business.

In any case, the Democrats are not a leftist party.  In general, they are middle-of-the-road conservatives, that is, they generally want to keep things the way they are and intend to keep doing things the way they have been done before.  Mr. O continued Bush’s bailouts for the rich, the imperial wars in the Middle East, and the unconstitutional surveillance of American citizens, for example.  This is not working, but it’s ‘not crazy’ from the point of view of the Democratic Party.

The Republicans, as far as I know, do not have alternatives to any of the Democratic Party’s substantial policies, so many of them have made a fuss about things like the ‘Ground Zero Mosque’, suggesting that the Constitution be abrogated in favor of religious prejudice.  From the conservative viewpoint of the Democratic Party, stirring up trouble about religion or race is ‘crazy’, because it is not what ‘we’  (that is, the elites, the ruling class) have been doing in recent decades, and does not seem to offer any benefit comparable to its risks.

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By Leefeller, September 13, 2010 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

As a person who has seven left hand gloves on and under the seat of my pickup truck; it is my suspicion all the right hand gloves have run off on holiday with those thankless missing socks!  So my left hand gloves more than makes me eminently qualified to speak on behalf of all lefties out there, specifiably on the topic of what constitutes what is apparently the cloned right wing mind (using the word mind loosely here)

Rightism in its heartless pursuit of empathy, finds itself at a huge disadvantage compared to someone like Attila the Hun, who actually was a very liberal kind of guy.  Attila was well known for his ability of making sure everyone agreed with him and it seems most people usually found themselves in agreement after very brief reflections. A friend of mine an unqualified historian, believes Attila’s left wing approach to persuasion,  seemed to utilize differing degrees of browbeating, it is said Attila’s abilities just had a way of getting his point across and making people feel bad about themselves!

With convictions of grandeur I say the well known inferiority complex of conservatives. stems from an inherit leaning towards the far side of stupidity coupled with the right wing fetish of enjoying large segments of time in the company of ignorance!

An unproven fact which I mean to prove, is all and I mean all Conservative Right wingers have a strict incompatibility to utilize any quarter of their brain, singularity or collectively at any one time,....  except as a hat rack and sometimes as a place to hang tea bags.

My lefty expertise point of view with all seriousness aside; knows for sure, the right wing conservatives have a self induced inferiority complex stemming from birth;  or as stated about gays….. “they are born that way”;.... fear of loosing their hat racks!

Some lefties believe conservatives to be morons,.... Let me be clear, I would never make such a negative assumptions, because then I would be generalizing!

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By Go Right Young Man, September 13, 2010 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, - “The stock in trade of the Democratic Party is that they’re the ones who aren’t crazy.”

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I visit this site often so that I may listen.  I read the articles along with a small handful of the comments.  I find it fascinating to simply listen to others points of view.  Yes, I comment with my own views, however, by and large I’m listening.

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Leftism at its heart holds that a small percentage of humans - TruthDig regulars, for example - have a vastly superior understanding of everything compared to ordinary people. The point of leftism as practiced in this vain is to empower these superior individuals to impose their superior understanding upon society by the force of the state. Leftists must be viewed by themselves and others as superior human beings if they are to have a claim to power and status.  In other words; “those other people are crazy”.  They are of lesser value and intellect.  One would be correct to simply disregard them altogether.

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By Anarcissie, September 12, 2010 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

The stock in trade of the Democratic Party is that they’re the ones who aren’t crazy.  Not much else, but that may be all that’s necessary.

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By ofersince72, September 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

What is the Democrat Party
What do they stand for?
The very first thing most Democrat supporters will
answer this question with is that the party stands for
Civil Rights.

  While , I could argue that one , lets say I give you
that one (even though Dems don’t deserve it).
What is the next reason to talk me into voting Dem?

  The next reason Democrat supporters will give you is
well, just to keep Republicans out.

The Democrats have no party platform to stand on other
than the “lesser than evil” crap they give you every
two years.  Yet, actions since 2006 do not bear this out.

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By ofersince72, September 12, 2010 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

I believe, as long as political debate is kept

within the framwork that is displayed on Truth Dig and

Fox News, MSMBC, the major newsprint,  we will continue

our backslide.  Even the intellect is letting corporate

America determine political debate.

If everyone would turn off their TV sets, quit reading
the corporate print,  we could then have logical and
meaninful debates.

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By samosamo, September 12, 2010 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

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Considering the very small nuances that constitute differences of
the ‘2 party duopoly’ of this country, boyarsky should have titled
this as ‘American Middle Class on the Edge of Political Disaster
Once Again in the Upcoming Midterm Election’ as it appears to
become at least a reversal of the 2006 disaster which was the
‘time before last’ election disaster just 2 years before the 2008
election disaster.

Proving that no matter who the people are cajoled into electing,
it is a very long run of disasters dating far back into the 19th
and 20th centuries, when voting maybe really meant something
and then was almost something besides political shenanigans
and tricks that is has since become.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 12, 2010 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

Truthdig or RedState. Humans are human no matter their politics.  Suggesting that one side over another is more or less racist is unhelpful and unwise. It happens to be demonstrably incorrect.  It’s also dangerous and I hope you, for one, will stop feeding that danger.

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By Leefeller, September 12, 2010 at 8:22 am Link to this comment

GRYM, generalizing again?

“I remain both saddened and concerned about the level of hatred and fear on display here.”

What!.... Are these GRYM tears of concern, ......  or is this some sort of GRYM joke, above and beyond the call of insane?

Constant waves of ignorance sponsored with the same manipulating tactics used against Kerry, so the morons are U.S. support the constant Obama is a Muslim,.....and he is not even a citizen barrage…..  Then one hears the real poop, like what wars, superseded by real heavy important stuff like the Gays and illegal Italians are coming…. or more recent the 911 victory of the Muslims march, no this is not hateful nor bigotry, one sees a real showing of concern for one nation under ignorance!

Ignoring ones own bigotry seems such a convenience and GRYM seems a card carrying expert!

Though one should be saddened and concerned for GRYM may only be the tit on the iceberg!

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By Shenonymous, September 12, 2010 at 7:57 am Link to this comment

Thing is I don’t always disagree with GRYM.  Amazing as that might
sound.  As Harry said, everyman has a little bit of the truth.  And a
little bit is still the truth.  However, it has been a long time since I’ve
detected that little bit.  You are right, Anarcissie, the clack chatter
and repetitive din desensitizes one’s sense of hearing both for the
speaker as well as the hearer.  I always appreciate your detached
observations.  I am much too emotional to keep my own sentimental
gurgle out of it, verbal sword always at the ready.  You’ve warned
often enough.  Sanguine temperament I guess.  Something I struggle
with.

Now if I could only figure out how to stop the stupid formatting of TD
and why those f’n personal images wreck the line length slipping in
lines with only one word in it.  Adding in hard returns does it but I
often forget in my zeal to get a comment posted.  Yikes and damn a
PIA.

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By Anarcissie, September 12, 2010 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous—What you’re observing is a kind of echolalia.  If non-rightists complain about rightist racism, bigotry and xenophobia, rightists will attempt to return the favor in the same terms.  However, the Democrats being a conservative lot, they don’t provide much to work with, hence the reaching out for marginal figures like Jeremiah Wright and the tuned-up sensitivity to any hard language from people like yourself.

Actually, I don’t think this stuff is doing the Republicans a lot of good.  As I said elsewhere, the Democrats won in ‘06 and ‘08 mostly by being the ones who aren’t crazy.  They may do the same this year.

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By Shenonymous, September 12, 2010 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

GRYM – This is an example of intellectual, peaceful, and
compassionate discourse?

I remain both saddened and concerned about the level of hatred
and fear on display here.”

Get over it GRYM – I never promised to be compassionate or peaceful! 
This is site is notorious for insensitivity and stoneyheartedness. 

Speaking for myself, I’m not here for ring-around-the roses.  I suppose
it is only all right when you criticize the liberals or even the milder left
centrists.  Besides what I said is not all that hateful!  Like what exactly
was hateful?  What I said about the bigoted Right is only given evidence
by their own speeches and mass media exposure.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 12, 2010 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

“There is absolutely no way that any cooperation is going to come from the lunatic Republicans to this Black Democrat President from their ranks with their cross-bow arrows pointed straight at his head.”

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This is an example of intellectual, peaceful, and compassionate discourse? 

I remain both saddened and concerned about the level of hatred and fear on display here.

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By Shenonymous, September 10, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

My oh my… I almost laughed myself inside out when one of the
news editorial pundits thought he was warning the Democrats that
Obama’s speech calling out Boehner would further distance the
Republicans and diminish chances of across-the-aisle cooperation. 
Whoooa What?  There is absolutely no way that any cooperation is
going to come from the lunatic Republicans to this Black Democrat
President from their ranks with their cross-bow arrows pointed
straight at his head. Not on any f’n thing.  He might as well take his
best shots… while he can.  The absolute hell with the bastards. 
Oh, I’m so sorry to show such emotion, oh yeah. 

Yes, I too will do everything I can to stop a repeat of the 10 years prior
to this President in spite of his alleged foibles. 

It is a very murky and sludgy environment and all of it was created by
Republican exertion to save the asses of the wealthy and corporate
supporters not the least of which is the industrial war machine.  That is
all they are interested in at the devastating expense of the American
people.  If it is deficit, or the drain of the economy by the war effort
(which is winding down regardless of the howling going on in
progressive quarters), or jobs jobs jobs, it really doesn’t matter since if
Republicans regain Congress Obama is totally washed up as are the
American people.  He and we will drown together.  Glub glub glub

This mid-term election is crucial as a prevention, a prophylactic to stop
the insanity that is promised by the Republican storm troopers.

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By Leefeller, September 10, 2010 at 4:04 am Link to this comment

How anyone on Main Street can support the Republicans has never made any sense to me, from what I can tell of the Republicans stand for nothing in the best interests of the people of this country, they sound like they hate themselves and the world. 

Republicans remind me of thous speculator opportunists; well this is my stereotype of Republicans;  they seem to be people always hammering away to make more money any way they can, like building houses on prime farm land or filling in a lake for a New Wall Mart center or baseball stadium,  tear down a mountain for coal or just because they can, clear cut a forest for profits and now their eye is on tearing down Medicare, I suppose because their is money in them their coffers!

I know I am generalizing,  well I believe the Democrats are not much better, because they seem to let all this shit happen without a what for.

Okay, my beef is this, the Republicans seem to be in control of the hen-house again and I always feel like a Hen!  The do not care Democrats look as if they are always fretting about sitting on their hands!  All this Manipulation happening in Washington,  happens because the supposed opposition seems to be back peddling all the time.

So all this smoke and mirrors of everyone fretting about gay marriage, illegal Italians, burning books and Sarha Palin gutting a Moose or Glenn Beck Crying on TV, so it seems like no one is keeping an eye on the real important things, like the wars, Wall Street, and Medicare/Social Security. 

So one of these days I may find Medicare gone along with Sociably Security,  all the money will come in handy for the Wall Street payoffs, and Senator Retirements, so then the cast system will finally be completed,  meaning I will be like one of those untouchables living in India, surviving on handouts on the street and not in the Hen house anymore.

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By john crandell, September 9, 2010 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

Well, we ain’t heard from Gore Vidal for awhile now, have we?

Last that I heard, he was saying that he was wrong about the ‘08 election, that
we should have put up Hillary instead…  That’s how bad things really are, that
Gore Vidal of all people should say THAT! Perhaps he was back in his Eleanor
frame of mind.

Consider the extent to which the NeoCon Fundies set the tone for both parties,
added to the lunatics pushing meth-induced lunacy on the right side of the
rightist Republican agenda and there you have it. They’ll be dancing in the
streets waving their shotguns on election night.

Jerry Brown used to say that he preferred to just let things crack up and fall
apart and then come back in and pick up the pieces. Yup, good ol’ Jerry Brown,
president of the Pacific States of America!

Barak has become Lyndon Baines Obama. Biden has become the Hubert Humphrey of the current administration. Nary a rumble from Kerry and not a peep from Bill. Yup, those NeoCon fundies sure have got things under control… And all of this is going to continue for another two-plus years? I don’t think so. Some thing or some one will disintegrate before then and don’t go looking for Al Gore.

Because me thinks that he sees things a little too clearly.

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By RdV, September 9, 2010 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

The failure is in party leadership—not individual Democrats.

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By Anarcissie, September 9, 2010 at 8:58 am Link to this comment

GRYM—I don’t see any national voting patterns linked to concern about deficit spending.  Reagan ran big deficits and not only won in 1984 but got Bush 1 elected four years later.  Clinton actually ran a surplus (!!!) but couldn’t get Gore elected.  Bush 2 destroyed the surplus and got reelected in ‘04.  People probably had some concern about financial matters in ‘08, but it was because banks and brokerage houses were actually collapsing.  Going by this record, deficits should make Mr. O very popular—as I think they would if they had had any effect on unemployment and other economic ills.  His Republican opponents have made it clear that they don’t mind deficits as long as the money goes to tax cuts for the wealthy, so I have to assume they are not suffering too much at the polls for their lack of concern.

Maybe the electorate ought to be concerned about deficits, but I see very little evidence that they are.

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By Leefeller, September 9, 2010 at 8:17 am Link to this comment

Miracles must happen, for this is one time I find myself in agreement with Patrick Henry!

The Media made such a big deal out of the Democratic majority, one would have thought the re-erection was was upon us! But all I remember ... once the great Democratic majority was upon us,  was hearing about how blue ball Democrats were mucking up the so called democratic plans?

So in the end it seems, Main Street gets screwed when the Democrats are in majority, or they get screwed when the Republicans are in majority,  so with all this fornicating going on, Main Street cannot see the trickling down from the crap sticking on the wall!

Can one even imagine .... If Main Street voted all the bums out, what would become of all those unemployed lobbyists?

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By Dennis, September 9, 2010 at 5:04 am Link to this comment
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What was that great line from “I Claudius”? “Let all the poisons of the earth hatch out.” Obama is the greatest fraud in American political history and the Republicans have nothing to offer. So let the country collapse. Great if to see the USA be relegated to 2nd class status. It’s too leathal and too stupid a country to remain a world leader. This 200 year old experiment in democracy is over. Franklin knew it couldn’t last and I suspect most of the founding fathers felt likewise.

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By PatrickHenry, September 8, 2010 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

I’m getting rid of everybody.

Come general election, Nov 2nd, all encumbents to me are toast, no matter how much name recognition they have (bye bye Steny Hoyer).  Once I’m in the voting booth I will vote in those out of power, green party or for the dog catcher.  No more 10 term encumbents.

They all stink.
 
We have to start from scratch to solve the issues of the day.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 8, 2010 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie,

Presidential popularity is not immediatly tied to issues.  President Obama, for example, remains popular on a personal level but has sunk quickly in the eyes of the majority on the various issues.  Ronald Reagan remained hugely popular throughout all of his presidency and beyond.

Yes, the government ran budget deficits in the 1980s, during the Reagan Administration, and Americans worried about them then too. In Gallup Polls conducted in the 1980s, just over eight in 10 Americans said the deficit was a serious problem, including about six in 10 who called it very serious.

A few years later, in 1990, a CBS News/New York Times Poll found that 76 percent said the deficit was a serious problem that needed immediate action. Just 16 percent said it was serious but didn’t need to be solved immediately, and only three percent rated it not serious.

Voting patterns from the late 60’s to date show an American public always concerned with deficit spending.

Contrary to popular opinion in some circles, Americans are not stupid.  Stupidity and arrogance comes from believing otherwise.

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By samosamo, September 8, 2010 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

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Yeah, with news like this on web sites and the msm, with its well
cultivated dumbstream garden, and o, being hammered for his
‘real self’, who has demonstrably been shown to have NOTHING
TO DO FOR THE PEOPLE, the republicans are becoming more and
more liable to take back both houses of congress or just send it
into another extension of ineffectual hog’s trough for those
newbies getting elected so to get their hands on lobby dollars.
THANKS A HEAP you son’s abitchin federalist members of the
scotus.

Really a uniquely effective loop of insanity trying to keep the most
worse out of office while trying to vote back in, again, the least
worse.

This country is the poster of child of how bad it gets and will get
when the msm is unworthy of is credentials, education is more
like learning one’s favorite cartoons of illusion and the people we
elect just want to get on the fast track to elitism by getting their
share of the bribery dollars the lobbyists dole out willy nilly.

Tea, real tea, is given a bad name by the hucksters pretending to
relieve the past in a fantasy of patriotism. And the current regime,
every once in a great while, throws crumbs out to the people.

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By Dems--anybody home?, September 8, 2010 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment
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Great to hear Obama today (Wed.) smashing Boehner and the Party of collect my paycheck and do nothing. If Democratic candidates will show the same sort of aggression towards their neocon rivals, ie summon some manhood FOR A CHANGE, Democrats will not have to write-off this election. The defeatist attitudes expressed in many Truthdig articles and on cable “news” is only a reminder that, as with John Kerry, Dems will go to any lengths to appear as losers. Get strong NOW and win in November. This amounts to one thing, smash the fuck out of all obstructionist Republicans. No holds barred. If you can manage to get it up for just eight weeks.

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By ocjim, September 8, 2010 at 11:35 am Link to this comment

The US Senate has housed such giants of thought and integrity.

It is disgusting that such airhead as Angle and failures like Fiorina could even be considered for what once was a high office.

I know. McConnell and others have tainted a serious position of leadership, but we can hope.

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By prole, September 8, 2010 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

“The nation’s problems—war and unemployment”…are largely caused by Democrats. “Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer of California and Patty Murray of Washington”...have caused a lot of trouble. “If Boxer and Murray lose, Republican chances of winning the Senate are greatly strengthened”…which may be of interest to pundits but “given the trouble facing” many common people in the current malaise, it doesn’t make much difference for anyone outside of the partisan political patronage system. Boxer is a perfect example of the problems caused by Democrats. “Boxer rose from the Marin County Board of Supervisors to the House and finally the Senate in 1992”…with a lot of help from Boyarsky’s buddies in The Lobby. Israel has no more aggressive supporter in the Senate than Barbie Moll. So it’s little wonder that zionist shil Boyarsky should be fretting over her impending loss; especially since she’s ensconced on the Senate Foreign Relations Comm. where she can more effectively pursue her hawkish Israeli aims, so admired by the bellicose Boyarsky.
  Just this past April, Boxer – a personal friend and great admirer of the late butcher Ariel Sharon – co-sponsored a letter in the Senate to the Sec. of State seeking to facilitate Israel’s announced settlement expansion plans that further threatened any remote peace prospects. In the letter Boxer proclaimed:
  “From the moment of Israel’s creation, successive U.S. administrations have appreciated the special relationship between our two nations. Israel continues to be the one true democracy in the Middle East that brings stability to a region where it is in short supply. Whether fighting Soviet expansionism or the current threats from regional aggression and terrorism, Israel has been a consistent, reliable ally and friend and has helped to advance American interests. Similarly, by helping keep Israel strong, the United States has helped to reduce threats to Israel’s security and advance the peace which successive Israeli governments have so avidly sought…
We recognize that our government and the Government of Israel will not always agree on particular issues in the peace process. But such differences are best resolved amicably and in a manner that befits longstanding strategic allies. We must never forget the depth and breadth of our alliance and always do our utmost to reinforce a relationship that has benefited both nations for more than six decades.”

  So maybe during the public campaign, “’Everything we do has to be job-focused,’ said Boxer”...but for Boxer, like the deceitful Boyarsky, everything is Israel-focused. “’Barbara Boxer, people know her,’ said Kam Kuwata”…yeah, people know her alright – and just like the two-faced Boyarsky she’s an Israel-firster.

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By Big Jess, September 8, 2010 at 10:18 am Link to this comment
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“the Republicans could take over with their pro-oil and help-the-rich agenda.”

And this is different from the Dem/Obama administration pro-oil (BP) and help-the-rich agenda (trillions to Wall Street, pennies to main street and no mortgage cramdown) how?

People are waking up to the fact that the Dems are really Republicans without stupid tea party hats.

To: Go Right Young Man

The reason people dislike Congress but like their own Congresscritter is easy: most voters live in gerrymandered districts designed to insure that the candidate from a specific party wins election. You gerrymander a district to give one party a huge statistical advantage and it is no surprise that a majority of people in that district will like or approve of their representative.

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By miroslav, September 8, 2010 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

Poor sheeples, they run from one corral to the other, back and forth they run, and they get slaughtered no matter which bag they stick their heads in.

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By Anarcissie, September 8, 2010 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

GRYM—If Americans don’t like deficits, why was Reagan so popular?

I don’t think they care much about deficits.  If Mr. O had gotten employment and commerce buzzing with big deficits I think he and his party would be quite popular.

In regard to the culture-war stuff, people are very inconsistent.  ‘Moral issues’, that is, immoral hatred of homosexuals and so forth, were supposed to be a big deal in ‘04, and yet only 22% of the people said they had any influence on the way they voted.  Unsurprisingly they had disappeared as political bait by ‘06.  The ‘Ground Zero Mosque’ circus has notably failed to do anything for either Lazio or Paladino in New York.  Mr. O’s opposition to Gay marriage has mostly hurt him with his proggie base; it certainly hasn’t made him popular with the (other) masses.  They don’t really care.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 8, 2010 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie, - “the polls (as reported in the media) say one thing.  But then the people do another—for instance, they complain about Congress and then keep electing the same people to Congress.”

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People complain about congress but, according to polling data (not the media), most like their own Congressman and Senator.

Back to the topic of the coming elections.  You’ll notice that, so far, nobody has attempted to answer my question.  The answer to my question is as simple as the question itself.  There has not been a single major issue, passed or proposed, in which the majority of Americans agree with solutions from the current congress or the current administration.  Not even one.

To all you doubters on this Web space; watch closely the “social issues” in the coming elections. - Crime, gay marriage, deficits, immigration, Guantanamo or health-care. - The majority of Americans, including democrats, fall just Right-of-Center.

Truthdig and RedState regulars are, like it or not, the polar extremes in contemporary American society.  This does not make most on either Web space “smarter” than the average bear.  That notion is pure and unchecked arrogance.

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Putting aside all of this: Americans historically do not like deficits.  It was the driving factor in the 2006 elections.  That, and today’s joblessness, is the driving factor in this midterm election as well.

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By Anarcissie, September 8, 2010 at 7:43 am Link to this comment

GRYM—the polls (as reported in the media) say one thing.  But then the people do another—for instance, they complain about Congress and then keep electing the same people to Congress.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 8, 2010 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie, - “For many years now, endless polls have shown that Americans do not like or think like Congress, and do not like or think like the mainstream media.”

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In that I could not agree more. 

The Washington Belt-way, along with the media world, is not real.  I believe most Americans fully comprehend the differences.  Unfortunately, on this and other Web spaces, e.g. TruthDig and Redstate, many people seem not to comprehend these different worlds.

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By Anarcissie, September 8, 2010 at 6:53 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man:
... The two party’s today, when we do wintess real differences, seem heavily controlled by extreme ideologues. - Think Truthdig and Red State.  Hannity and Olbermann. - THIS is not where Americans live their daily lives.

Almost 80% of Americans are smart, centered, logical common-sense people.  It’s no accident that those same people frown on the whole of congress.  Equally.  Those who tend to post comments on Red State and Truthdig seem not to understand this.

For many years now, endless polls have shown that Americans do not like or think like Congress, and do not like or think like the mainstream media.  And yet they persist in electing the former and buying or at least paying attention to the latter, and turning their collective noses up at alternatives.

Polls and internet forums supply a similar opportunity: one of delivering opinions which have no sources, no implications, no obligations, no consequences.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 8, 2010 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

Lafayette, - “It was not at all obvious from your comment that you were talking about the “public at large”. You went on to explain, in detail, that the majority party did not support major Dem legislation.’

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I believe I have been very clear that I was writing about the “public at large”.  In fact I wrote of the “majority of the public” several times.

I wrote nothing of the “majority party”.

I will ask you the same question which nobody, as yet, has been willing to tackle. - Which piece of legislation spanning the previous 18 months has had the support of the majority of Americans?

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By Go Right Young Man, September 8, 2010 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

ofersince72,

Perhaps you can explain why so many progressive thinkers feel Americans are “dumb” for not agreeing with 8% of the far left fringe in contemporary American society. - Also, I ask again, can you give one example of legislation, passed or proposed, which has enjoyed the support of the majority in the past 18 months?

I give Americans a great deal more respect than you appear to.  In fact you may have missed my previous post on this thread.

“Almost 80% of Americans are smart, centered, logical common-sense people.  It’s no accident that those same people frown on the whole of congress.  Equally.  -  Those who tend to post comments on Red State and Truthdig seem not to understand this.”

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By Lafayette, September 8, 2010 at 6:30 am Link to this comment

{GRYM: I’m unclear as to how parliamentary rules effect the popularity of legislation amongst the public at large.}

It was not at all obvious from your comment that you were talking about the “public at large”. You went on to explain, in detail, that the majority party did not support major Dem legislation.

I can agree with this latter part, having often opined for the establishment of a European-style Social Democrat Party in the US. This would push, in time, the Blue Dogs over to the Replicant side of the aisle, where they belong.

It is in the Senate that the troglodytes prevail. It is there that woolly-haired mammoths should be retired. They can perform a useful function in an ice-age menagerie of political wisdom.

It was the purpose of the founding-fathers to have the Senate be the body-of-wisdom to counterbalance the populism of the House. (As in Rome, when plebes were given the right to voice an opinion.) But our founding-fathers overlooked the fact that it would become a playground for the rich who, having made a fortune, did not know what to do with themselves, so they decided to run for the Senate.

That is just not good enough in a modern democracy. Worse yet, we let it happen right under our nose. How?

By paying far too much attention to the mindless pas that is served up on the boob-tube that passes for “electoral debate” and instead is largely defamation of character. But, amongst a none too smart constituency, it seems to work.

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By ofersince72, September 8, 2010 at 6:23 am Link to this comment

Go_________Wright___________Young_______________Man

Do you get the same thing out of those polls that I do.

The polls that you put up reaffirm to me how uneducated

and misinformed the public is…..

T H E .....D U M B…...A M E R I C A N S…! ! ! ! ! ! !

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By Go Right Young Man, September 8, 2010 at 6:13 am Link to this comment

Samson,

What you call a “lie” is actually a difference of opinion.  There is no need to react so harshly and foolishly.

You may feel satisfied by a YES magazine article whereas most Americans will not share your satisfaction.  Differences in opinion.

In a Right-of-Center United States Bill O’Reily and Rush Limbuagh beats the pants off of ALL in their respective mediums.

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Rassmussen

Health Care Vote Puts Senator Ben Nelson 30 Points Down in Reelection Bid

Sixty-six percent (66%) of U.S. voters prefer a smaller government with fewer services and lower taxes over a more active government with more services and higher taxes.

63% of voters not affiliated with either major party like a smaller government better. Democrats are more narrowly divided: 54% favor a smaller government.

Sixty-two percent (62%) of all voters say tax cuts are a better way than more government spending to create jobs and fight unemployment. Only 21% say additional stimulus spending is a more effective tool.

Here is one extremely telling poll.  “Progressives” do not think kindly on American society as a whole, however, when polled Americans in general say America is: Fair and Decent 74% - Unfair and Discriminatory 11% <—TruthDig regulars.

Sixty-two percent (62%) of voters believe it would be better for our allies to follow America’s lead more often.

Just eight percent (8%) now say it would be better for the United States to do what our allies want more often.

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“Progressive” environmental agenda.

Public skepticism about the officially promoted cause of global warming has reached an all-time high among Americans.

A new national survey finds that 50% of likely voters now believe that global warming is caused primarily by long-term planetary trends. - Just 34% say climate change is due primarily to human activity.

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I have yet to find a single poll in which the majority of Americans support the domestic agenda of either the President or the Democratically controlled Congress.  Not even one!

RCP Poll averages.

23% say U.S. heading in right direction
22% say 2009 was a good year.
58% see cost as biggest health care problem…
21% see lack of universal coverage as biggest health care problem.
81% say passage of health care plan will lead to higher middle class taxes… 68% say it will increase deficit.

58% fear government will do too much..
36% say US and allies winning War on Terror… down from 55% on Inauguration Day
Obama: Strongly Approve 25% Strongly Disapprove 41%..
Generic Congressional Ballot: Republicans 43% Democrats 38%..
58% Favor Waterboarding of Plane Terrorist
72% Favor keeping Guantanamo open
79% say another terrorist attack likely within year
22% of small business owners say conditions for their business getting better,

49% of Harry Reid’s constituents strongly oppose his proposed health-care plan while only 23% strongly favor it.

Nancy Pelosi: Democrats in California overall -34% approval—her lowest since May 2008
The month Pelosi was most popular was March 2007, just after becoming speaker.

Congressional Job Approval: 23.4 Approve 65.8 Disapprove

OVERWHELMINGLY people are tuning out Olbermann and Maddow while Glenn Beck beats each of the above in his 5P time slot against their prime 8-10P time slots. 

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February 2010

Bill O’Rielly: 1000 consecutive weeks as #1 in his time slot.

Conservative FOX:  O’Reilly 8P Ratings 1072 -Rising
Progressive MSNBC: Olbermann 8P Ratings 406 -Falling

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By Samson, September 8, 2010 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

The only thing the Democrats have is the politics of fear.

Oh, you should be so afraid of the ‘tea-baggers’. Be so afraid that you make sure you go vote for more wars and more rule by wall street by voting Democrat yet again. 

After all, it would be so much worse if those pro-war, pro-wall-street millionaires with the (R) after their names replaced the pro-war, pro-wall-street millionaires with (D) after their name.  That would obviously be a catastrophe.

Or at least, that’s all the Democrats have left in scraping the bottom of the barrel for reasons why we should vote for the party that’s given us no change and no hope. 

Heck, the party of change doesn’t even have any spare change for us standing on the street corners as they roll past in their limousines on their way to their next wall street fundraiser.

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By algomajoker, September 8, 2010 at 5:37 am Link to this comment

Lets also remember that the average American voter expects miracles to occur every two years and, when they don’t, they change thier minds.  Two years from now, when the republicans don’t come through, they’ll swing back to democratic congressmen.  American voters have the attention span of a 7 year old.  Its a perpetual motion teeter totter that will never stop as long as the two party system remains fully entrenched.  I agree with RayLan.  Obama’s biggest mistake is not recognizing that bi-partisanship will never work when office holders put their party before their constituents.  He has squandered his opportunity to actually lead.

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By Birch, September 8, 2010 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

@FiftyGigs. You are so right. This is the story line that has
been adopted by all the media. The only candidates
highlighted in these stories are either so-called Tea Party
candidates or Republicans (one and the same in my book).
You never even hear who the Democratic candidates are. The
MSM narrative right after the last elections was that the
Republicans were down and out for good. Now there has been
this big turn around and everyone is supporting Republicans.
The desperation with which Republicans are attacking every
non-white minority in the country seems to belie their
supposed confidence about the upcoming elections.
Democrats may not be entirely happy with everything the
Obama administration has done, but do people really want the
nut cases that are running on the Republican side? What
corporate interests want more than anything is gridlocked
government so nothing can get done. This suits them much
better than having either party dominate.

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By Samson, September 8, 2010 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

Obama was a US Senator before he was President. Which meant he was probably one of the say 500 most powerful people in the country from 2005 onwards.

In general, the Democrats constantly supported everything that led up to this economy.  It started with Bill Clinton putting the whole government including the Lincoln Bedroom up for sale to the highest bidder.  A highlight was his repeal of the Glass-Steagal reforms.

And remember, the Democrats never filibustered Bush.  The Democrats never even slowed Bush down with a filibuster.  Today, we see what 41 Republican Senators can do to slow down or stop an opposition president. There were always at least 45 Democrat Senators, including Obama, but they never did anything to even try to slow down Bush.

So, while you can try to pretend that its all Bush’s fault, the Democrats have been right there all along.  The Democrats have supported these same policies all the way back to at least the mid-nineties.  And Senators like Obama were on board with these policies as evidenced by their complete lack of any filibusters to stop anything.

The Democrats in the Senate while Bush was President gave Bush a free pass to do anything he wanted by not filibustering him.  From 2005 until 2008, that included Barrack Obama.

So, don’t try to pretend that this economy is all Bush’s fault.  Its a joint effort from a lot of people dating back to the mid-nineties.

And we need to throw out all of these bums.

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By RayLan, September 8, 2010 at 5:08 am Link to this comment

This is high noon for the two-party system between the party that wants to chat over beers and the party that wants to blow your head off. The Dems just don’t get it. There is no bipartisan solution- its politics for crying out loud. Both sides are corrupt except that Republicans don’t flinch while doin the dirty deed, whereas the Dems have a tremor of a conscience.We need to scrap the whole system and start over - 
I don’t blame Obama for the economy - that was Bush’s baby - I blame Obama for not coming down hard on Wall Street trading - and letting the big corporations have our tax money without accountability - Dem spinelessness
I don’t blame Obama for the stupid wars that were started by Bush - I blame him for not withdrawing completely and immediately.
His tepid centricism is worse than Bush stupdity.

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By Samson, September 8, 2010 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

like most on the right, “go right young man” is lying to you when he says this is a right wing country.  Or maybe he just only drinks his koolade with his cultmates.

Yes! Magazine a couple of years back did a collection of poll results to compile a progressive agenda.  Read this and see if this sounds like the right-wing wonderland that ‘go right young man’ and his fellow propagandists will try to trick you into thinking is really America.

from http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/purple-america/our-own-agenda-economy#economy

67% Favor public works projects to create jobs.
55% Favor expanding unemployment benefits.
73% Say corporations don’t pay a fair share of taxes.
76% Support tax cuts for lower- and middle-income people.
71% Say unions help their members; 53% say unions help the economy in general.
80% Support increasing the federal minimum wage.
59% Favor guaranteeing two weeks or more of paid vacation.
75% Want to limit rate increases on adjustable-rate mortgages.
64% Are not confident that life for our children’s generation will be better than it has been for us.
65% Believe same-sex couples should be allowed to marry or form civil unions.
70% Support restoring habeas corpus rights for detainees at Guantanamo.
58% Believe a court warrant should be required to listen to the telephone calls of people in the U.S.
59% Would like the next president to do more to protect civil liberties.
68% Believe the president should not act alone to fight terrorism without the checks and balances of the courts or Congress.
79% Favor mandatory controls on greenhouse gas emissions.
76% Believe that oil is running out
and a major effort is needed to replace it.
90% Favor higher auto fuel efficiency standards.
75% Favor clean electricity, even with higher rates.
72% Support more funding for mass transit.
73%  Believe our health care system is in crisis or has “major problems.”
64%  Believe the government should provide national health insurance coverage for all Americans, even if it would raise taxes.
55% Favor one health insurance program covering all Americans, administered by the government, and paid for by taxpayers.
69% Believe the government should make it easier to buy prescription drugs from other countries.
81% Oppose torture and support following the Geneva Conventions.
76% Say the U.S. should not play the role of global police.
79% Say the U.N. should be strengthened.
73% Favor abolishing nuclear weapons, with verification. 80% favor banning weapons in space.
85% Say that the U.S. should not initiate military action without support from allies.
63% Want U.S. forces home from Iraq within a year.
47% Favor using diplomacy with Iran. 7% favor military action.
57% Say going to war in Iraq was the wrong decision.
67% Believe we should use diplomatic and economic means to fight terrorism, rather than the military.
86% Say big companies have too much power.
74% Favor voluntary public financing of campaigns.
66% Believe intentional acts are likely to cause significant voting machines errors.
80% Say ex-felons should have their voting rights restored.
65% Believe attacking social problems is a better cure for crime than more law enforcement.
87% Support rehabilitation rather than a “punishment-only” system.
81% Say job training is “very important” for reintegrating people leaving prison. 79% say drug treatment is very important.
56% Believe NAFTA should be renegotiated.
64% Believe that on the whole, immigration is good for the country.
80% Favor allowing undocumented immigrants living in the U.S. to stay and apply for citizenship if they have a job and pay back taxes.
 
Notice that the right-wingers never ask Americans what they want.  Its because they don’t like the answers they’d hear. Instead, the right-wingers are always telling us what we are supposed to want.

America is far to the left of Reagan/Hoover/Bush/Obama and their wars and rule by wall street.

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By FiftyGigs, September 8, 2010 at 4:39 am Link to this comment

Wow. This is the same storyline I read on conservative blogs.

Why am I here?

An article about who Barbara Boxer features a picture of Carly Fiorina. Thanks for nothing.

And why is this site propagandizing for conservatives?

Don’t misunderstand me. It’s a really nice, really long litany of Boxer’s… uh, failings. You know, how weak she was in fixing the devastation of Republican economic practices. (Arnold has nothing to do with any of this, after all.)

And Fiorina? Her business failures are passed off as merely a desperate attempt by her opponent to keep hold on power.

TruthDig sometimes publishes trash. This is another one of them.

“... and it’s likely outcome.”

I wish there was a thinking person behind this site.

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By Samson, September 8, 2010 at 4:33 am Link to this comment

Good riddance.

With the Democrats record of being just like Republicans since they took the Congress in 2006 and the White House in 2008, I completely fail to see why anyone to the left of Reagan, Hoover and Obama should give a damn about whether the Democrats win or lose.

They ain’t done a damn thing for us, so why should we give a damn about them? 

Unless you are really happy that the Iraq War will go on indefinitely, the Afgan war has been escalated, and that wall street has all the money?  If you love that, then you should re-elect the Democrats.

We want change.  The Democrats clearly aren’t change.  The Republicans surely aren’t change.  So, if you want change, don’t vote for either.  Go vote for Mickey Mouse if you have to, but vote for change, and that means voting for anyone but the Democrats and Republicans.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 8, 2010 at 4:27 am Link to this comment

ofersince72,

I’m not here to sell the republican agenda.  I’m not a republican.

My comments here are meant to discuss the upcoming election and the reasons the democrats are about to be trounced in November. - The economy and the fact that not one piece of legislation, passed or proposed in the previous 18 months, has seen the support of the majority.

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Polls show that most Americans see the president and democratic leaders in Congress as far Left-of-Center.  The majority of voters are Center or Right-of-Center.

Would you be able to highlight one piece of legislation which has seen the support of the majority?  Passed or proposed?

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By ofersince72, September 8, 2010 at 4:08 am Link to this comment

So sell me on the Repubs,

What do they plan to pass that might help the public?

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By Go Right Young Man, September 8, 2010 at 3:45 am Link to this comment

Lafayette, - “BOLLOCKS - Are you oblivious to the super-majority rule…....”

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I’m unclear as to how parliamentary rules effect the popularity of legislation amongst the public at large.

If you’d like you may point out which legislation, proposed or passed into law over the last 18 months, has seen the support of the majority of Americans.

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By Lafayette, September 8, 2010 at 2:39 am Link to this comment

BOLLOCKS

{GRYM: Not a single piece of major legislation passed in the previous 18 months has enjoyed the support of the majority.}

Are you oblivious to the super-majority rule in the Troglodyte Senate that can put to a natural death any legislation by filibustering? And that with the advent of the new Senator from Massachusetts, that rule became an effective tool for the Replicants to stonewall ALL legislation.

Evidently not. So you take a spurious conclusion and offer it as “cogent political analysis”. And, of course, the present administration is to blame.

Bollocks! If you want to find the smoking gun, then look at the system of checks and balances of the American democratic process. Which worked well-enough until the Replicants decided to employ it by categorically stonewalling all BO & Co. legislative initiatives.

So, Americans are going to vote these scoundrels back into majority in both Chambers?

Thankfully, consummate stupidity is not a terminal illness. Or the funeral parlors of this nation will be breaking at the seams.

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